@carmenhernandezochoa The pronounciation is not too good, though. If you want to know what it's supposed to sound like on YouTube for "Pasporto al la tuta Mondo," "Mazi en Gondolando," or "Gerda Malaperis!" or listen to the archives of the various Esperanto radio show which can be found on the Internet.
@Codylangaugesblog Vi ne devas la "Ĉi", Ĉi estas prefikso kiu proksimume tradukas al "every-" en la angla p(por).e(ekzemplo). everyone-Ĉiu. Mi estas lernanta esperanton por unun monaton aux pli.
The whole flame war about Shatner's pronunciation in this movie among Esperantists defeats totally the purpose of the language. It's supposed to be a language that anyone can talk, not one in which people will dread foreign or unusual accents. Can you understand Shatner speaking? Ok, so his is speaking perfect Esperanto. Enough to have to deal with American English accent nazis.
Shatner's pronunciation is horrible and totally uncorrect. That's the reason why esperantists can't understand him.
In Esperanto does exist different accents, but they are totally understandable by esperantists of other world regions, much more than the different english accents, because the phonetic system of Esperanto is far more easy than the english one.
Yes, Esperanto IS "a language that anyone can talk", but to talk it you have to study it... Shatner didn't do that at all...
@ancxjo you're the first to claim Esperantists can't *understand* him... There was one who transcribed his lines in this very thread, apparently sens difficulty.
It seems to me that Esperantists do understand Shatner, but object to his alternative phonemes. I says he speaks Esperanto like if it was a natural language. I was checking radio Esperanto and everybody speaks like a computer reading a text, with no ligatures, each phoneme separately. I understand the intent, but it sounds like crap.
In my opinion, if a esperantis says to you that he/she does understand Shatner, he/she is lieing to you - in order to convince you study Esperanto.
I'm an expert esperantist, and I can assure you that Shatner doesn't speak Esperanto at all: he speaks... "Shatner-ish"! If somebody transcribed the lines, he/she
1) used esperanto subtitles (probably they exist, in the DVD...)
or
2) he/she worked very very hardly ON THE ENGLISH SUBTITLES, to "guess/imagine" the esperanto words.
@ancxjo Interesting that the kid softens the final "o" in "naso" to "nasa", like Russians do. Portuguese softens the final o towards the u semivowel. The father at the end loosens a lot, sounding better than what I heard on Radio Verda, but still too high pitched, like a Southern Italian. In the beginning he does the staccato that bothers me so much. ki. Estas. vi.a. Orella.
In general the kid, of course, sounds like a baby. I hope that's not how Esperanto was supposed to sound on adults :-)
For some mysterious reason, that is the first sentence all Brazilians learn in English :-) We even say somebody speaks "the book is on the table English" when their English is, well, at that level.
But yes, of course I wouldn't expect the baby to speak any different, and as I said, I enjoyed seeing the variations he was introducing on the phonetics of Esperanto. All languages experience phonetic drift. I believe if Esperanto continues being spoken, it will improve much.
@ancxjo was it you who posted a list of Esperanto radios, with their respective accents? I wanted to check on the Russian one, but can't find the comment. Maybe it's one of the many you removed?
But I don't want a language perfectly understandable... I want one that sounds good, fluent, natural, lyric. Everybody I see speaking Esperanto (ok, before Kaliningrad and, yeah, Shatner) does it in a recitative mode, like a perfect beginner in a foreign language. One has to sacrifice a bit of the easy of understand for the euphony. It's like that with any natural language.
Tio estas stranga filmo, Leslie Steven laboro estas ĉiam frekventis.
rsmothersjr 2 weeks ago
And brandon boyd?
RobertDeLeo 2 months ago
Kia interesa, sed mi ne povas kompreni ĝin.
ShinzouMahi 7 months ago
I recommend using Media Outlet Online for getting f.r..ee s0ngs similar to this! Yall should try and find it using Yahoo.
NigeleChism 8 months ago
Thank you, I will!
carmenhernandezochoa 10 months ago
@TomSFox Oh thanks, This I didn t know.
BuridansEsel1 10 months ago
this language is Esperanto and the only film who ever was produced with Esperanto language
BuridansEsel1 10 months ago
@BuridansEsel1 Not quite. Before this one came "angoroj" and more recently "Gerda Malaperis!" and "La Patro."
TomSFox 10 months ago
@BuridansEsel1
your wrong, "Angoroj" was produced in Esperanto, too. And i have to admit that in "Angoroj" the speaker know how to speak Esperanto....
deimuader 6 months ago
What language is this? It's really beautiful.
carmenhernandezochoa 10 months ago 7
@carmenhernandezochoa The pronounciation is not too good, though. If you want to know what it's supposed to sound like on YouTube for "Pasporto al la tuta Mondo," "Mazi en Gondolando," or "Gerda Malaperis!" or listen to the archives of the various Esperanto radio show which can be found on the Internet.
TomSFox 10 months ago
@TomSFox Mi amas "Granda Mazi!" Tre bone serio. ( I love "Granda [large,big] Mazi"! Very good series.)
SifuTeddie 4 months ago
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TomSFox 10 months ago
@carmenhernandezochoa It's Esperanto
Maglevspiritualgeek 7 months ago
@carmenhernandezochoa It's Pig Latin. lol Ixnay on the esperantoay
yryriza 6 months ago
@carmenhernandezochoa Esperanto.
kanashido1 1 month ago
This is such an old recording
WatchMyAwesomeVideo2 1 year ago
Sal'! kie vi troviĝas tiun ĉi filmon? Ĉu vi aĉetis ĝin? aŭ ĉu vi elŝutis ĝin?
Mi atendas ke vi baldaŭ povas diri tion al mi.
Estas tre bonege ke vi estis elŝutinta tiun ĉi videon.
Ĉaŭ-ĉaŭ!
Chikotka 1 year ago
This movie is a freaking classic! Captain Kurk was pimping Demons before heading off to the other planets.
TEMPLEKING1974 1 year ago
It would be cool if someone could do a remake of this movie but with a higher budget and proficient Esperanto speakers.
queerpriestess 1 year ago
do u have also version without subtitles? could u upload it?
marybloodyable 1 year ago
@marybloodyable the only copy of the film known to exist is the one with hard subtitles on it so the anser is no.
abmaximus 1 year ago
@abmaximus I think I have seen a copy without subtitles on The Colbert Report.
TomSFox 10 months ago
Ĉi tiu filmo estas tre interesa. I dont know if thats right, I have never studied Esperanto.
Codylangaugesblog 1 year ago
@Codylangaugesblog
Via Esperanto ŝajnas bona, al mi. Not totally sure if that's right either! I used to study it a bit, but not any more.
Ĝi estas bona kaj bela lingvo.
crestrisen 1 year ago
@Codylangaugesblog Vi ne devas la "Ĉi", Ĉi estas prefikso kiu proksimume tradukas al "every-" en la angla p(por).e(ekzemplo). everyone-Ĉiu. Mi estas lernanta esperanton por unun monaton aux pli.
jaktrep 1 year ago
@jaktrep oops! silly me it turns out you actually should have it in there, my mistake
jaktrep 1 year ago
@Codylangaugesblog Yes, that was perfect.
TomSFox 10 months ago
The whole flame war about Shatner's pronunciation in this movie among Esperantists defeats totally the purpose of the language. It's supposed to be a language that anyone can talk, not one in which people will dread foreign or unusual accents. Can you understand Shatner speaking? Ok, so his is speaking perfect Esperanto. Enough to have to deal with American English accent nazis.
Eikinkloster 2 years ago
Eikinkloster,
Shatner's pronunciation is horrible and totally uncorrect. That's the reason why esperantists can't understand him.
In Esperanto does exist different accents, but they are totally understandable by esperantists of other world regions, much more than the different english accents, because the phonetic system of Esperanto is far more easy than the english one.
Yes, Esperanto IS "a language that anyone can talk", but to talk it you have to study it... Shatner didn't do that at all...
ancxjo 2 years ago
@ancxjo you're the first to claim Esperantists can't *understand* him... There was one who transcribed his lines in this very thread, apparently sens difficulty.
It seems to me that Esperantists do understand Shatner, but object to his alternative phonemes. I says he speaks Esperanto like if it was a natural language. I was checking radio Esperanto and everybody speaks like a computer reading a text, with no ligatures, each phoneme separately. I understand the intent, but it sounds like crap.
Eikinkloster 2 years ago
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ancxjo 2 years ago
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Ciao, Eikinklsoter!
In my opinion, if a esperantis says to you that he/she does understand Shatner, he/she is lieing to you - in order to convince you study Esperanto.
I'm an expert esperantist, and I can assure you that Shatner doesn't speak Esperanto at all: he speaks... "Shatner-ish"! If somebody transcribed the lines, he/she
1) used esperanto subtitles (probably they exist, in the DVD...)
or
2) he/she worked very very hardly ON THE ENGLISH SUBTITLES, to "guess/imagine" the esperanto words.
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ancxjo 2 years ago
Eikinkloster,
I don't know wich radios you listened to. Using Google, search theese:
Radio Verda (american accent, perfectly understandable)
Varsovia Vento Elsendoj (polish accent, perfectly understandable)
Radio Aktiva Podkast-ludilo (uruguayan accent, perfectly understandable)
Kaliningrada Esperanto-Podkasto (russian accent, perfectly understandable)
Finally, watch, in You Tube, the video:
"bebo parolas en Esperanto"
Does it sound like a computer? Is it unnatural? Is it like a crap?
ancxjo 2 years ago
@ancxjo Interesting that the kid softens the final "o" in "naso" to "nasa", like Russians do. Portuguese softens the final o towards the u semivowel. The father at the end loosens a lot, sounding better than what I heard on Radio Verda, but still too high pitched, like a Southern Italian. In the beginning he does the staccato that bothers me so much. ki. Estas. vi.a. Orella.
In general the kid, of course, sounds like a baby. I hope that's not how Esperanto was supposed to sound on adults :-)
Eikinkloster 2 years ago
Ciao, Eikin!
Consider that the baby is 21 months old...
You are brazilian, aren't you? I can understand portuguese (because it is similar to my langage: italian), so freely write to me in portuguese.
Do you want to laugh? Watch, on You Tube:
"the book is on the table Casseta & Planeta"
ancxjo 2 years ago
@ancxjo hehehe.
For some mysterious reason, that is the first sentence all Brazilians learn in English :-) We even say somebody speaks "the book is on the table English" when their English is, well, at that level.
But yes, of course I wouldn't expect the baby to speak any different, and as I said, I enjoyed seeing the variations he was introducing on the phonetics of Esperanto. All languages experience phonetic drift. I believe if Esperanto continues being spoken, it will improve much.
Eikinkloster 2 years ago
@ancxjo was it you who posted a list of Esperanto radios, with their respective accents? I wanted to check on the Russian one, but can't find the comment. Maybe it's one of the many you removed?
Eikinkloster 2 years ago
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Yes, it was me.
The comment is still readable. Here what I wrote:
Using Google, search (...) Kaliningrada Esperanto-Podkasto (russian accent, perfectly understandable).
I removed a lot of comments, because I made a lot of mistakes...
Unfortunately, I also wrongly marked the comment of somebody (I don't remember who) as "spam"... SORRY!
ancxjo 2 years ago
It doesn't show to me... and somebody seems to be marking your comments as spam systematically. But thanks. I'm there listening.
Wow! The Kaliningrada makes Esperanto sound almost as good as Shatner :-) Specially the woman.
What can I do, I'm a whore for Russian prosody.
Eikinkloster 2 years ago
"somebody seems to be marking your comments as spam systematically"
Ah! Perhaps I (wrongly) marked myself!!!
:-o
The Kaliningrad pronunciation is perfectly understandable. Shatner spoke... Klingon (???)
Russian, Hungarian and Brazilian Portuguese are, to me, the most beautiful-sounding languages I heard...
ancxjo 2 years ago
But I don't want a language perfectly understandable... I want one that sounds good, fluent, natural, lyric. Everybody I see speaking Esperanto (ok, before Kaliningrad and, yeah, Shatner) does it in a recitative mode, like a perfect beginner in a foreign language. One has to sacrifice a bit of the easy of understand for the euphony. It's like that with any natural language.
Eikinkloster 2 years ago
Hungarian is related to Finnish (uralic language, or something) so I bet it sounds cool too. I, like Tolkien, loves Finnish.
Could you repeat the Hungarian Esperanto radio too?
Eikinkloster 2 years ago
Any Esperanto radio with French and Hebrew accent? Those are two other prosodies I very much enjoy.
Eikinkloster 2 years ago
French:
tipe, in Google, the words:
Radio Libertaire 89.4 Balistik Kontroverss Lundi matin Les partageux de la Commune
(sorry: that's the only way - You Tube doesn't accept my links...)
After, search in the site page the woed "esperanto"...
ancxjo 2 years ago
Eikinkloster,
I found this for you.
Type, en You Tube, the words:
Parte 04A Esperanto é uma língua digna e possível de ser aprendida por todos
Play the video, and ACTIVATE THE SUBTITLES (using the upward arrow, in the lower part of the movie window).
You will listen to espereanto pronuntiation of a great number of nationalities (and, thanks to the subtitles, you'll undestand the meaning...)
Enjoy!
:-)
ancxjo 2 years ago
Tre bona filmo, bedaŭrinde ni estas bone prononcata. Tamen estas tre bona kontribuaĵo kiun povis donaci Stevens al nia movado. Ĝis la revido! dankon!
coutinho1980 2 years ago
I wonder if Shatner actually speaks esperanto-- he gives the best impression that he actually knows what he's saying out of the entire cast.
GoblinXXX 2 years ago
Never heard of this before,
William Shatner speaks Esperanto,
this has to be worth a look.
Thanks for sharing. 5/5
bonpourvous 2 years ago