this is breathtaking. I got into this song from directors cut. I was too young to get into kate in the 80s and wow, why would she re-work this song? Was it just because she's playing it at her shows or something??
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Gotta counter-disagree. My ears say that the double tracked drums are rather processed with compression (which would also draw up any room ambiance and therefore sound like it was "gated reverb") but otherwise acoustic. Fretless electric bass isnt always "jazz." I'll grant you that there is the sequenced 16th note percussion pattern, but could be done with a skillful tuned percussion or a prepared piano if it's tonal. Sure it's "80s" but I think that rhythmically the old is more engaging.
@69umberlee I dig autotune in character but not enough to replace KB's timbre entirely. Miss the Trio. Dunno what KB was thinking. The new track sounds like she kept original parts and redid others. Two components don't sound like they fit well together. As far as the drums go, even if they were rerecorded in a more live space, there would be something of the power of the old mix. Fretless has more snarl than in jazz. Far louder in the mix. Adds male vocal-like color & antiphonal phrasing.
@tapkae "Director's Cut" wasn't made to be some kind of a replacement for the original versions, but as a New Perspective about the concepts of those songs.
Kate still loves the originals, otherwise she could re-release the albuns re-working certain songs. (Other artists already did that)
Of course we are always free to compare, and in some cases I prefer the original version, But in other ones, like this song, I just started to listen more to the new version, I find it more heartfelt!
@soundslikeblue Well, I have to say that the new version of Never Be Mine delights me just fine. And best of all, it doesn't displace the older one. But as a kid who grew up on the music of the 80s (though not all of it as nuanced as KB or Kershaw or other artists, I am used to enjoying a certain lushness of production. Some things, while close to the heart of the song, do not translate so well with less "big." Robert Fripp didn't add much to PG's 2nd album by ditching the sonic bigness.
@tapkae ...and even a symphony orchestra would sound rather unappealing if it were recorded in a "dry" room, or even if it was done with each instrument isolated on its own track. When I mix my stuff, I want to help make things seem they belong together. Even without using reverb, you can do that with compression which adds bigness. What a modern multitrack recording does is allow the composer to pretend she has an orchestra at her disposal to make a big sound to communicate an idea that a...
@tapkae ...that a bar band's instrumentation can't evoke. I think double drumming is great, and even double tracking bass has the power to make a track special. The fact is though, if you want a natural recording, then the way to do that is to have a badass ensemble and singer sing straight down one mic to the recorder. No multitrack. No overdubs. No editing. No compression or EQ. No mastering. No stereo, even. But as artistic as that can be, it isn't right for most artists. I dig rich mixes.
@tapkae I think I understand your point. Well at least I feel something similar when it comes to some Classical music. I have some Old recordings (I'm remembering some Operas right now) that, even if recorded with basic technology, are some of the Best versions of those masterpieces for me. In some of them I also miss a bit more of Sound definition, but they have a magic atmosphere and creative interpretation. The essential is the artists' skills of course!
the meaning of this song is kinda ironic... I found out who Kate Bush was through the computer, and now I'm addicted to her music (thank you YouTube!)
I wonder what program could she possibly be singing about? What was there in 1989 besides DOS and a bunch of computer games? Prodigy JUST came out, and hardly anyone had a computer in their house.
@thedeeliciousplum that sounds lovely :') wish I could do that but my mum and dad get annoyed with me for being obsessed so I use my headphones on my way to school and stuff. This is a beautiful beautiful song :')
What a beautiful song. Not only for the obvious fact that Kate is truly a treasure, but that her tapes were always within a hand's reach in the various apartments I found myself living in. Roommates and I would find ourselves playing her music, candles everywhere and then we would talk about life, the universe and everything.
@SamHeald ... Hi SamHeald, Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts. I am quite certain that you are in possession of a handful of, if not more, priceless memories that are evoked when listening to any of Kate Bush's beautiful compositions. Many best wishes and more.
@musicaldawnful Agreed the new one has lost the spirit of the song IMHO. Trying too hard to be modern when the original was already ahead of it's time.
@smartverity This is coming from a dude who would love to make an album of 80s material with a little less of the sonic goop that accompanied some of the original recordings... I don't savor the new version of this song. I mean, remix it with a tad less 'verb but fercryinoutloud, don't steal the Trio Bulgarka and the fretless bass! The drums are such a powerful pad for the song I can't see how this new stripped rhythm was even dreamt up. I can bear with the robo-voice, but too much was stripped.
@tapkae I have to disagree. The new version is a bit more...artful, I feel. The original recording is so mired in the 80's pop tropes of reverb, electronic drums, and that awful smooth jazz bass. The new version is a little more true to the message as well. Isolated and frightening.
(Although as good as the computerized voice is in the remix, losing the Trio Bulgarka is a shame.)
OMG! this woman is a genius. She was already speaking back in 1989 what we would be doing in the future, what we all do, spending hours and hours in front a new friend - the computer. I turn to my computer as a friend. I LOVE YOU KATE!
This will be the first single from Kate Bush's forthcoming album 'Director's Cut'. Will be interesting to see if she changes any of the lyrics to reflect this internet age...
This song came out in 1989...but it speaks of obsessive computer addiction that many of us are guilty of these days. Speaking of which...I must check my facebook! "I turn to my computer...like a friend!"
@TomModernMedia Wouldn't it be far more accurate to say that Digital Ghost sounds like this song given that Tori came after this brilliant artist and has admitted being influenced by Kate Bush?
this is breathtaking. I got into this song from directors cut. I was too young to get into kate in the 80s and wow, why would she re-work this song? Was it just because she's playing it at her shows or something??
Sharpster7 3 weeks ago
Prefer the original to the one from Director's Cut. I don't like the new chorus sound..
Hausofdye 1 month ago
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peoniesfleur 2 months ago
Gotta counter-disagree. My ears say that the double tracked drums are rather processed with compression (which would also draw up any room ambiance and therefore sound like it was "gated reverb") but otherwise acoustic. Fretless electric bass isnt always "jazz." I'll grant you that there is the sequenced 16th note percussion pattern, but could be done with a skillful tuned percussion or a prepared piano if it's tonal. Sure it's "80s" but I think that rhythmically the old is more engaging.
tapkae 2 months ago
@69umberlee I dig autotune in character but not enough to replace KB's timbre entirely. Miss the Trio. Dunno what KB was thinking. The new track sounds like she kept original parts and redid others. Two components don't sound like they fit well together. As far as the drums go, even if they were rerecorded in a more live space, there would be something of the power of the old mix. Fretless has more snarl than in jazz. Far louder in the mix. Adds male vocal-like color & antiphonal phrasing.
tapkae 2 months ago
@tapkae "Director's Cut" wasn't made to be some kind of a replacement for the original versions, but as a New Perspective about the concepts of those songs.
Kate still loves the originals, otherwise she could re-release the albuns re-working certain songs. (Other artists already did that)
Of course we are always free to compare, and in some cases I prefer the original version, But in other ones, like this song, I just started to listen more to the new version, I find it more heartfelt!
soundslikeblue 2 months ago
@soundslikeblue Well, I have to say that the new version of Never Be Mine delights me just fine. And best of all, it doesn't displace the older one. But as a kid who grew up on the music of the 80s (though not all of it as nuanced as KB or Kershaw or other artists, I am used to enjoying a certain lushness of production. Some things, while close to the heart of the song, do not translate so well with less "big." Robert Fripp didn't add much to PG's 2nd album by ditching the sonic bigness.
tapkae 2 months ago
@tapkae ...and even a symphony orchestra would sound rather unappealing if it were recorded in a "dry" room, or even if it was done with each instrument isolated on its own track. When I mix my stuff, I want to help make things seem they belong together. Even without using reverb, you can do that with compression which adds bigness. What a modern multitrack recording does is allow the composer to pretend she has an orchestra at her disposal to make a big sound to communicate an idea that a...
tapkae 2 months ago
@tapkae ...that a bar band's instrumentation can't evoke. I think double drumming is great, and even double tracking bass has the power to make a track special. The fact is though, if you want a natural recording, then the way to do that is to have a badass ensemble and singer sing straight down one mic to the recorder. No multitrack. No overdubs. No editing. No compression or EQ. No mastering. No stereo, even. But as artistic as that can be, it isn't right for most artists. I dig rich mixes.
tapkae 2 months ago
@tapkae I think I understand your point. Well at least I feel something similar when it comes to some Classical music. I have some Old recordings (I'm remembering some Operas right now) that, even if recorded with basic technology, are some of the Best versions of those masterpieces for me. In some of them I also miss a bit more of Sound definition, but they have a magic atmosphere and creative interpretation. The essential is the artists' skills of course!
Thank you for answering! :)
soundslikeblue 2 months ago
Just prophetic! :-)))
And fantastic Trio Bulgarka as a background!
God bless Kate Bush! :-*
BestaHansen 3 months ago
the meaning of this song is kinda ironic... I found out who Kate Bush was through the computer, and now I'm addicted to her music (thank you YouTube!)
LadieBunny 3 months ago
amazingly insightful of the world that be 10 -15 years later.
did they even have modems in 1989?
agoose72 4 months ago
I really don't like her new recording of this song, this, the original is just superb.
smartverity 6 months ago 5
@smartverity I agree, I don't like the new one as much. However, I love that she made the new one. :)
jonceramic 3 months ago
Holden96 - BBS (Bulletin Board Services) the forerunner to the Internet, run on a very slow modem over a standard telephone line :-)
CaralineOfHawkleigh 6 months ago
I wonder what program could she possibly be singing about? What was there in 1989 besides DOS and a bunch of computer games? Prodigy JUST came out, and hardly anyone had a computer in their house.
holdenc96 6 months ago
@holdenc96 Europe was further ahead of the US since CERN created much of the Internet protocols we used today.
Maoszman 6 months ago
It's nice to know I'm not the only one that feels this way XD
TheRecluses 7 months ago
@thedeeliciousplum that sounds lovely :') wish I could do that but my mum and dad get annoyed with me for being obsessed so I use my headphones on my way to school and stuff. This is a beautiful beautiful song :')
MissNeverForEverKB 8 months ago
What a beautiful song. Not only for the obvious fact that Kate is truly a treasure, but that her tapes were always within a hand's reach in the various apartments I found myself living in. Roommates and I would find ourselves playing her music, candles everywhere and then we would talk about life, the universe and everything.
thedeeliciousplum 9 months ago 4
@thedeeliciousplum I wish I knew people who would talk to me about that sort of stuff, let alone even know who Kate Bush is!
SamHeald 5 months ago
@SamHeald ... Hi SamHeald, Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts. I am quite certain that you are in possession of a handful of, if not more, priceless memories that are evoked when listening to any of Kate Bush's beautiful compositions. Many best wishes and more.
thedeeliciousplum 5 months ago
I love both versions so I don't see why we have to have a favourite
zephyr935 9 months ago 9
Lovely this is the best version.
musicaldawnful 9 months ago 7
@musicaldawnful Agreed the new one has lost the spirit of the song IMHO. Trying too hard to be modern when the original was already ahead of it's time.
smartverity 6 months ago
@smartverity This is coming from a dude who would love to make an album of 80s material with a little less of the sonic goop that accompanied some of the original recordings... I don't savor the new version of this song. I mean, remix it with a tad less 'verb but fercryinoutloud, don't steal the Trio Bulgarka and the fretless bass! The drums are such a powerful pad for the song I can't see how this new stripped rhythm was even dreamt up. I can bear with the robo-voice, but too much was stripped.
tapkae 5 months ago
@tapkae I have to disagree. The new version is a bit more...artful, I feel. The original recording is so mired in the 80's pop tropes of reverb, electronic drums, and that awful smooth jazz bass. The new version is a little more true to the message as well. Isolated and frightening.
(Although as good as the computerized voice is in the remix, losing the Trio Bulgarka is a shame.)
69umberlee 2 months ago
Love the new version!
Ehudjoseph 10 months ago
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OMG! this woman is a genius. She was already speaking back in 1989 what we would be doing in the future, what we all do, spending hours and hours in front a new friend - the computer. I turn to my computer as a friend. I LOVE YOU KATE!
TheSensualWorld1 11 months ago
This will be the first single from Kate Bush's forthcoming album 'Director's Cut'. Will be interesting to see if she changes any of the lyrics to reflect this internet age...
leicbri 11 months ago 4
This song came out in 1989...but it speaks of obsessive computer addiction that many of us are guilty of these days. Speaking of which...I must check my facebook! "I turn to my computer...like a friend!"
doubleder 1 year ago 54
@doubleder : votre commentaire est si spirituel ! Amical salut d'un coin de France.
Saluste32 8 months ago
@doubleder Have you heard the remake she did on Director's Cut (2011)? Hauntingly revamped.
spectrelives 2 weeks ago
I think it is past time to turn right back around
Maskedhaven 1 year ago
Love this, similar to Digital Ghost by Tori Amos in it's theme and lyrics. :D
TomModernMedia 1 year ago
@TomModernMedia Wouldn't it be far more accurate to say that Digital Ghost sounds like this song given that Tori came after this brilliant artist and has admitted being influenced by Kate Bush?
tipsydog3 1 year ago 19
@tipsydog3 Yes. I agree.
mizzbijou 1 year ago
@tipsydog3 alright chill out, yeah of course.
TomModernMedia 1 year ago