How to open AMSEC's ESL-10 XL Electronic Digital Safe Lock

[DeanSafe]

@Voidnerd Good question, but the "board" and brains are inside the lock, that's inside the safe. The keypad is really only a keypad and battery holder.

Thanks,

John

[Phuild]

I doubt I could ever trust a keypad that just twists off, allowing access to the electrical workings.

[DeanSafe]

@Phuild You will happy to know that's not the case with any "grade 1" lock as all the Electrical working are inside the lock inside the safe. Think of it like your computer keyboard, it just supply's input to the inside of the computer just like the keypad just supply's info to the lock.

Thanks,

John

[HisNameIsTim]

Another question, if one was to get into the wiring for the keypad, and fry the internals by assaulting them with high voltage, I would assume the safe would be rendered unusable and the manufacturer or a professional safe cracker would have to be called to get at whatever was inside?

[DeanSafe]

@HisNameIsTim Your right, but the lock died doing exactly what it was designed to do, Keeping the safe locked and protected. As a bonus, many home and gun safe Mfg's will warranty this type burglary attack with a police report if the safe is used in a residences.

[HisNameIsTim]

Please tell me the memory is stored inside the safe door or there's some kind of hardwired sync between the electronics inside and outside. Otherwise it would be conceivable to just remove the keypad from your own safe and use it on someone else's wouldn't it?

[DeanSafe]

@HisNameIsTim On all U.L. rated locks the Brains are in the inside of the safe, not so on some cheep imports safes.

Thanks,

John

[KaleemNiz]

if we cut the wires which r inside of keypad i mean which r coming from the inside of door if we will power those wires i think we can open it...

[DeanSafe]

@KaleemNiz Oh how easy my life would be if that worked on any one of the "U.L.labeled Electronic locks". Everyone from the U.L. to the CIA is on the alert for away to get around these lock as most of the secrets in the world are locked up behind U.L. locks of this type. There are however many of the low cost box store import safes (check out sam's, Costco, etc.). I even sell some (just to compete) that your technique will work on. That's why one should buy from a professional.

Thanks,

John

[itachiitachi1946]

but what if a person will come in ur house and his take out the cover of that electronic thing where the batteries r and hell spill WATER destroying the electrronic lock?then ur still screwed cause ull still be having ur money but u wont be able to open ur safe lock.

[DeanSafe]

@itachiitachi1946 That is harder to do than you think. Unlike dial locks the Electronic lock are sealed better, although not waterproof two years ago I submerged one by accident and never had a problem. In a high moisture situations dial locks may have a bigger problem than the "E" Lock due to the dissimilar metals used in the locks creates electrolysis corrosion

[zw0ecool]

sucks that these are better than the dial knobs, the dial knobs look sexy, if only they could make safes with both of them integrated, that would make the safes safer, using different combinations for each

[DeanSafe]

@zw0ecool One of the lock Mfg's showed me one that is both dial and digital, I loved it but I was told none of the safe Mfg's want to get behind it. I don't know why I couldn't find a down side it looked and worked great, well maybe some day.

[zw0ecool]

@DeanSafe wow that's awesome, i wonder why they wouln't jump on that opportunity.

[iyalakantomanen]

How about if somebody open the batt compartment and cut the ribbon how can you open that one.

[DeanSafe]

@iyalakantomanen You'll need to call a good safe man to drill the safe open.

thanks for watching, John

[dboytim]

What happens if you forget or lose you combination what then. I mean if the door is open

[granadajohn]

@dboytim Get your Serial number and call the factory 800-421-6142 they should be able to help you.

thanks for watching

John

[TraceBassPlayer]

@dboytim

If it's a Browning safe, you'll need a LEO or Locksmith to verify the serial number, write it THEIR letterhead and fax it to browning on THEIR fax machine (fax number verified with letterhead). Takes minimum 24 hours to get new code. That's per Browning Safe Co. website.

[Zeamus634]

What does he keep saying pound for? Its the hash key.

[DeanSafe]

@Zeamus634 Well I hadn't heard of a hash key, Here in the U.S. that could be 2.2 pounds of pot, so I went to Wikipedia "in the United States, the symbol is usually called the pound sign, and the key bearing this symbol on touch-tone phones is called the pound key. In Canada, this key is most frequently called the number sign key. In most English-speaking countries outside North America, the symbol is usually called the hash, and the corresponding telephone key is the hash key. " my bad sorry.

[Zeamus634]

@DeanSafe

Calling it pound is like you saying "£" to an English person. lol

[fastacker2]

If there is an EMP attack, I assume the electronics fail on this and you would not have access to your guns when you need them most.

[DeanSafe]

@fastacker2 This is a common misconceptions often fueled by safe dealers that just too lazy (or don't know how) to install digital locks, or just don't want to pay for the extra inventory. In case of a EMP weapon attack, safes locks should do just fine they are protected by the steel of the safe and are not connected by outside antenna or plugged into the power grid. Even without protection small electronic items such as handheld UHF two-way radios with a short antenna are likely to survive

[fastacker2]

@DeanSafe

I was thinking the EMP pulse might travel down the wires between the keypad and the electronics inside. What you say may be correct as long as the pulse does not travel down the wires. I don't know for sure what would happen. I'm certainly not an expert on safes or EMP.

[sybaris720]

I'm still not sure if I feel as comfortable with one of these as I do a mechanical lock. For example, what would happen if someone were to gain access to the safe, remove the front dial and solder in some type of recording device. Then, replace the front dial and go away. Once the theif knows that access to the safes content had been made by an authorized person, they would only need to gain secondary access to the safe and replay the login sequence. Would they gain access then?

[Krzyshng]

@sybaris720

Not sure if serious... If someone gains access to the safe to plant this theoretical recording device then why wouldn't they just steal the contents then, why would they need to get the code and then come back?

[DeanSafe]

@sybaris720 I would put this somewhere between highly unlikely and impossible, but since you brought it up if it were a mechanical lock and you found the safe door open all you would need to do read the the wheels and you'll know the combo. Once again; Mechanical locks = 0, Digital Locks=1

[magic1926]

What if someone breaks in your house and tries to hotwire or cut's the cord the lock. I am assuming that the safe will stay shut even if that does happen. But still is this lock better or a traditional dial combination?

[DeanSafe]

Good question, like your computer the keypad is just a keyboard and (in this case) a battery holder. The brains are inside of the safe, so it would be just like cutting the keyboard on your computer & trying to hot wire a new one back on, you can but nothing changes. This lock is a Commercial U.L. tested "Grade 1" Electronic Lock, its fast and easy to use. The owner can change his own combination, the battery is changed from the outside.

Its far more secure than the mech "group 2" locks.

[magic1926]

Thanks

[magic1926]

Thanks btw, if the thief does cut off the lock is it easy to replace? Do you need a locksmith to come help you with the replacement?

[DeanSafe]

Just like a "Dial lock" getting knocked off a in an attack you're going to need help. First call the dealer you bought the safe from, most gun safe Manufactures will warranty a burglary attack and you're dealer can help this happen. If not, he'll know what the next step is and get you up and running within a few working days.

[Foehammer54]

@DeanSafe

If someone were to damage the key pad and I needed to get to the stuff inside how would I do that if no lock smith or dealer is available? Torch? Drill? If the world were to go to (POOP) and for some reason I had no 9v to replace my dead one, am I just SOL?

[bainy1990]

Sweet i want 1