americans suck!they acheived some successes and now they think they are superheroes?the allies made the supreme sacrifices britain and france and russia especially ,not the usa,who only entered at the end of hostilities.the comments about british skill is a reproach on your nation ,it was the loss of these brave british troops that gave the command vital intelligence as to the where abouts of german mg positions ,they couldnt just check satellite imagery to find them .
haha yes because for once Americans were smart enough not to get sucked into a foreign conflict and now you bitch that they werent there because your pride was taking a beating from Germans on ONE FRONT.
Let me be the first American to say we're sorry that we didnt loose 600,000 of our youth at the Somme in one summer. We're sorry about Gallipoli and Iraq of 1915. We just didnt have 250,000 men to spare for that Ottoman sector. We'll never bitch about Vietnam or Korea tough
america as a world power is almost spent even the mighty nations rome greece medopersians had their alloted time then total oblivion america will be decemated by nuclear power and natural disasters you will have to dig very deep to find traces of their society,
Besides, when you have Dan Daily leading the Charge there ain't nothing in the world stopping that charge, by that time Dan Daily Already had 2 Medal of Honors before even being in WW1 lol.
Come on you Sons of Bitches,Do you want to live for Ever!?
@Dogmeat1950 BTW The charge that Dan Daily lead was stopped. Who cares if he won 2 medals before WW1? Dan Daily said that he did NOT say that quote the way you posted it.
@Dogmeat1950 It doesn’t mean the same thing. It’s a statement of exasperation to his men who were hugging the wheat field and not moving. What is the big deal about one quote anyway?
It was a poorly coordinated attack that failed, the worst day in Marine history and the most casualties in one day. A small area of the Woods was held for a short time but that doesn’t make the attack successful. Same thing happened many times with the Allies.
@1Dougy85 tell me something. are you really that retarded?
This battle set the U.S Marines as a global name.
the attack didn't fail in fact the Marines stopped the German push.
the worst day in Marine Corps history if there ever was one. would be the battle of Wake Island were all Marines were killed but they did make history by being the only force in WW2 to repel a Naval landing. took the Japanese 2 naval landings to capture the Island.
@Dogmeat1950 No it did not set the Marines as a global name nor did they stop the German push. You seem to think the Marines accomplished a military success unheard of. The Marines got very good publicity thanks to one reporter which pissed off Pershing and army of the 2nd and 3rd US divisions. News may have got out that the US was involved in it’s first battle but the world was not awestruck about the exploits at Belleau Wood
@Dogmeat1950 Pershing was not happy that marines got good publicity but his army got none though both were involved in same actions like Belleau Wood. Marines even got credit in one battle in which not involved.
Newspapers in US called the Marines Devil Dogs in April 1918 before the battle of Belleau Wood.
The British territorial army trained in long range and rapid fire. The mad minute. Germans in 1914 thought they were being fired on by machineguns and not rifles.
@1Dougy85 THE MAD minute was a high rate of fire the British did with it's Rifles. Marines trained to shoot at 500m or greater at that time no other Military trained on a daily bases to shoot that far.
@Sturmmann It was actually 30 rounds a minute not 15 and they were trained to hit within a 12 inch target area. The record was 38 rounds in 1 minute at 300 yards on the12 inch target.. You say the Germans saw bullets impacting all over the place, of course you mean into bodies. The British defeated German forces much larger than themselves with these men.
you have obviously never fired a bolt action during a rapid fire session to truly understand the crap you're claiming is possible.
15rds is barely possible on a human silhoutte, let alone 38
how the fuck did the Germans survive to tell the tale of brit machine gun fire?
because heard the cracking of bullets wizzing by and the impacts on the ground, much like a machine gun spray. You wouldnt know what that feels like cause youve never been in combat.
@Dogmeat1950 I would hardly call battle maps that show Marines being defeated at Wake a success and they did fail, the Japs took Wake. Also, all the Marines weren’t killed (did you learn that from a movie?) just some but most surrendered. Did the Marines repel them on the beaches or did aircraft and artillery repel the invasion? Only force to repel a landing in WW2? Hardly. You not only fail WW1 but also WW2. You don’t know your own history but yet call others retarded that do
@Dogmeat1950 The attack indeed failed as well as one or two later attacks and you are confusing two separate battles, not the trait of a retard but of one who has no idea what he is talking about. I will help you. The attack we are talking about is of US infantry to clear the 1 mile square Woods of the Germans called the Battle of Belleau Wood. A few days prior to being ordered to clear the wood they were involved at the end of the Battle of Third Aisne
@Dogmeat1950 The Germans had come about 30 miles on a 70 mile front and were exhausted and overextended. The French had already counter attacked along the front and in some places had recaptured ground before the Marines became involved. If not the US marines then some French unit would have simply be put into their place. 27 allied divisions arrived within a week to stop the German offensive and only 2 were US of which only some units saw action.
@Dogmeat1950 Day one of BW was a mess, the worst day in US Marine history with the most casualties to that time. Historians say it a useless battle and shouldn’t have been fought, you can blame Foch and Pershing. It served no purpose other than straightening of lines. The Wood was finally taken after 3 weeks only after French Command ordered a 14 hour bombardment, something that could have been done and won the first day with experienced French or British troops.
@Dogmeat1950 British and Indian army repelled 2 Japanese invasions of India inflicted heavy loses, the Japanese repelled at Ceylon. Chinese repelled at least one Japanese landing, Australians repelled Japanese at New Guinea. German landing repelled at Norway. Canadian, British and American allies at Dieppe repelled. Soviet landing on Finland repelled. Others? You seem to think the US Marines are some kind of elite force when they are no different than regular army of other countries.
the Marines are elite, because they dont have an embarrasing defeats or surrenders like the british army at gallipoli, arnhem, dunkirk, isdlwanna, iraq 1915, SINGAPORE 1942!!,
@Sturmmann Please do keep going. Don’t forget Wake and Chosin. How was the Marine retreat evacuation at Hungnam different from Dunkirk? If they were at Gallipoli, Dunkirk, Arnhem, Isandlwana, Singapore they would have faired no better.
You should read about the 3 week battle at Belleau Wood. No disrespect to the US Marines but experience would have made a huge difference. Any British or French unit would have taken the Wood in much shorter time.
@Sturmmann You have to read about Singapore to understand and 80,000 surrendered. Guadacanal was an offence and they weren’t left alone out on a limb on the other side of the world. There were only 30,000 Brits not 100,000. 15, 000 Australians. Half the defenders were natives and East Indian and there was much fighting before the surrender. A bit more than 2 to 1 is not hugely outnumbered. Did the US run out of food, ammunition and water at Guadacanal?
@Sturmmann I think your numbers are too low for dead US and too high for dead Japanese at Wake. Regardless, the bulk of the Japanese died on ships that were attacked by planes and artillery and sunk. You make it sound like only 50 Marines died while killing 1200 Jap land forces, not so. Two Jap destroyers were sunk with all hands as well as dead Japs on other ships. 150 dead Marines.
@Sturmmann Chosin- Nearer to 25,000 enemy dead and wounded from all UN forces involved. 1st Marines were not alone, can’t remember think they had US Army with them, but had British Commandoes. I know your thinking right now those Brit Commandoes are the reason for the high body count. Actually US Army, Navy, and Marine aircraft and artillery strikes were with the retreat all the way and caused even more enemy dead than the Brits.
@Sturmmann I have fired a bolt action small caliber rifle but not during a rapid fire session, I took my time, and I can tell you from experience that hitting a gopher at 600 yards is impossible.
Does this mean you are full of crap with your claim of Marines being trained to hit a target at 600 yards?
Perhaps 15rds is barely possible on a human silhouette for US Marines but not 30 for the prewar trained British Territorial Army. 38 was just the record.
Marines trained since before WW1 to qualify on the service rifle to hit a man sized target from the 600 out to the 800 yard lines wit the Krag Jorgensen and 1903 Springfield rifles.
They showed that marksmanship prowess to the brits and french at Bellau Wood in 1918
To this day we still qualify with the rifle annualy from the 200,300 and the 500 yard line, open sights.
@Sturmmann It came down to technique and training of course. Try shooting with your second finger, busy your first finger with helping to cock the bolt and get some crazy glue and glue your face to the headstock so your eye never leaves your sights or target. People may look at you funny on your way to and from the range but after a few weeks I bet your number of rounds will improve.
Marines did take on a primitive enemy...all over haiti and nicaragua. Killing hundreds and suffering a couple of men wounded. They never lost a single firefight during the Banana wars, even when outnumbered. Three Marines made an entire caco force retreat during the Siege of Fort Riviere.
yes brits did surrender without putting up a fight.....SINGAPORE1942
I seem to recall the US Marines surrendered an entire embassy to a bunch of Iranian *students* without firing a shot. Marines Paul Lewis, Kevin Hermening, Ladell Maples & William Quarles were all filmed reading pro-Khomeini tracts, and thanking their captors for the Christmas turkey they were given. Maples openly wept on one occasion.
Casualty figures? Here's one that, unlike yours, isn't made up - the US lost almost as many men to Spanish Flu (43,000) as in combat (50,000) in WWI.
No, comparing it to yr "10 Marines never surrendered to a weaker enemy without putting up a fight" comment and proving it false by using a recent and well-documented incident.
Incidentally, do you actually think you have the ability to offend me, you cheesy, B-line YouTube Neo-Nazi? You're the kind of sad act who fantasises about mass uprising and racial holy war, but then gets arrested for crank-calling Pakistani housewives and possessing shampoo bottles full of weedkiller & sugar.
you're wrong on the last part, Ive been meaning to fix my channel page. We all have things we'd like to forget.
The only time I can remember Marines firing shots in anger to defend an embassy was back in 1900 Boxer Rebellion and other uprisings of the Chinese that followed. Japs taking over and so on. The embassy in Belgrade was stormed without resistance. Saigon embassy was held in '75 without warning shots aswell.
This video is bullshit. Why did the realstate change hands 6 times? The Marines were only able to take the Woods after a 14 hour bombardment orderd by French Command. And it did not stop the final major offensive by the Germans. In fact 2 more German offensives were launched after the battle of Belleau Wood began.
For the real facts behind the incorrect spelling and context of teufelhunden, and how it actually blew up into one of the largest Marine Corps history falsehoods taught to every single recruit. Read the Marine Corps historians handbook.
Why don't you take time out to"help" us old tired former Marines out with your Phd in history. Maybe "you" can clear this whole thing up for us once and for all..............Semper Fi.
@oldrumer4u Get serious! US marines did not fight with any more ferocity than millions of other soldiers during WW1. You have no idea what men become in battle or what they are capable of. The term Devil Dog was first mentioned a few times in papers in the States in April 1918. Belleau Wood was in June 1918. The Germans naming the US Marines Devil Dog is a myth. In fact that term is not even in German vocabulary. Hell Hound is the closest but yet no evidence exists to support the myth.
After the battle, the French renamed the wood "Bois de la Brigade de Marine" ("Wood of the Marine Brigade") in honor of the Marines' tenacity. The French government also later awarded the 4th Brigade the Croix de Guerre. Belleau Wood is allegedly also where the Marines got their nickname.
"Teufel Hunden" meaning "Devil Dogs" in poor German (actually "Teufelshunde" in proper German), for the ferocity with which they attacked the German lines. An official German report classified the Marines as "vigorous, self-confident, and remarkable marksmen...",[21] General Pershing even said, "The deadliest weapon in the world is a Marine and his rifle!"
Its significance is that it was fought by the Marines, Pershing was pissed that they got so much publicity. If the French or British would have fought the battle it would have been over sooner and few now would have ever heard about it. If the Australians or Canadians would have fought it it would have been over within a day, not 20.
Thats why the Germans broke through the french line to get to Belleau Wood and a french officer told the marines that they should retreat. And the reason its so well known now is because it was the bloodiest day in Marine Corps history. Don't try to belittle their accomplishment.
Why did the Germans break through to Belleau Wood? Dont understand you.
The bloodiest battle in their history at the time and good publicity is why its known. Some say the battle stopped the German advance, saved Paris, saved the Allies, most important battle of the war, all incorrect. I have the deepest respect for the Marines of Belleau Wood, same as soldiers from any country, but facts are facts and none of the facts about Belleau disgrace them or should show them in a lesser light
Mangokillerm, The Americans were at only one small point in the line. The French stopped the Germans to the east of Belleau Wood and not only stopped them to the north but had also regained ground the day before they were stopped near Belleau Wood by the Americans. The British stopped the Germans in their sector twice.
its so famous because two of the most famous marine corps quotes were said in this battle first dan daly a marine who won 2medals of honor said "come on u sons of bitches you wanna live forever" and pershing said "the worlds deadliest weapon is a marine and his rifle."
The battle did not stop the Germans nor did it save Paris. It didnt need to be fought, the woods could have been bypassed by the French offensive a month later and was just another one of many useless and senselessly fought battles. The Woods were finally taken after the French Command ordered a 14 hour bombardment and was the reason the Marines were able to win over the Germans.
US Divisions had more than twice as many men as German and Allied. The Germans had not been there more than 2 days and were not well entrenched It was harder for the the marines as they were green and did not know how to fight a modern war. No, Belleau Wood did not save the allies from defeat, thats ridiculous. The Germans still would never have been able to take Paris even if they won that battle and it ws insignificant in the bigger picture of what was happening at that time.
American help toward stopping the Germans was very, very small compared to anyone, especially the French (they werent liberated by US) Over 60 miles of French front under attack, Belleau Wood was of 1 mile. French Command said the inexperienced Americans best retreat letting Germans over extend and weaken. Marines helped stop the Germans on Paris Rheims road. The French also stopped the Germans along the rest of the front the same time and earlier, even had already retaken ground.
The third German offensive was stopped all along the lines by June 4th with the Germans exhausted and over extended. 2 days later the Marines attacked at Belleau Wood and were to eject the Germans who were already there. The fourth offensive by the Germans took place to the north of Belleau Wood, aimed toward Paris and during the battle of Belleau Wood, it was stopped. The fifth and final offensive by the Germans took place mainly to the east of Belleau Wood on July 15th. , it was stopped.
There were not 5 German Divisions involved but only elements of 5 Divisions which numbered much less than the whole and American Divisions had twice as many men as German Divisions. The Germans were the ones that were outnumbered at Belleau Wood and had only 2 days to set up their concealed machine gun nests, which was sufficient time. The Marine on the clip said that the battle at Belleau Wood stopped the final German offensive of the war which is wrong.
no we didn't outnumber them or have twice as many men as the german divisions and on top of that the germans were well entrenched which makes it that much harder, yes the Battle of Belleau wood saved the allies from defeat from the Germans because if we lose they could have taken Paris.
...or the British, Italians, Canadians, Anzacs, Russians, etc. etc., but this clip wasn't meant to be a comprehensive documentary about WW1, or even of the Battle of Belleau Wood. It was simply a short snippet made by US Marines, for US Marines, briefly outlining the Marines' part in that one particular battle, and nothing more.
grant is correct we played our part in the last year and half of the war with fresh men and supplies, were were apart of the allied lines that helped stop the third German offensive of the war which was crucial. Catigny, Chateau Thierry, Belleau Wood, St Mihail Salient, and Argonne Forest were battles Americans were involved in on the western front, We were under French command at first then went under Pershing. The enemy forces included, Germans, Austria-Hungary, Ottoman Empire etc overall
The French and British were the biggest allied contributors in world war 1 but we did our part as well as saviours to help turn back the German offensives. We also were involved in the air war also.
I was talking baout the overall war, yes at Belleau Wood the French were calling for retreat and one the famous phrase, Retreat, "Hell", we just got here" This battle helped saved the allies fom defeat.
we weren't all over Europe, We were in France mostly and we had a division in Italy. We were one of the saviors in this war. Youm ight be getting WW1 confused with WW2, we were all over in WW2 though vs Germany, Japan, etc.
Belleau Wood there were 2 American divisions against 5 German divisions and the Germans were well entrenched in the wood to top it off. Almost 90 years since that battle. It stopped the third German advance towards Paris(Aisne) Germans were withing artillery range, it was hard fought and a bloody battle but we won. My great uncle served in the Marines at Iwo Jima, he fought and was wounded, Semper Fi
We were outnumbered as well. 5 German Divisions against 2 American divisions. Both sides had heavy casualties but we won the battle. Belleau Wood stopped the Aisne advance towards Paris as well. The Germans were in artillery range of Paris. Almost 90 years since that battle. My great uncle served in the marines in WW2 at Battle of Iwo Jima vs the Japanese and he fought and was wounded, Semper Fi
If the Marines were in Europe during WW2 we would have beaten the Russians to Berlin!
kavo360 6 months ago
fuck the marines even ragheads can beat em
nissmoguy 9 months ago
@nissmoguy
oh yea, like the 2,000 dead ragheads of Fallujah that only manage to kill 49 Marines?
Sturmmann 8 months ago
americans suck!they acheived some successes and now they think they are superheroes?the allies made the supreme sacrifices britain and france and russia especially ,not the usa,who only entered at the end of hostilities.the comments about british skill is a reproach on your nation ,it was the loss of these brave british troops that gave the command vital intelligence as to the where abouts of german mg positions ,they couldnt just check satellite imagery to find them .
nissmoguy 1 year ago
@nissmoguy
haha yes because for once Americans were smart enough not to get sucked into a foreign conflict and now you bitch that they werent there because your pride was taking a beating from Germans on ONE FRONT.
Let me be the first American to say we're sorry that we didnt loose 600,000 of our youth at the Somme in one summer. We're sorry about Gallipoli and Iraq of 1915. We just didnt have 250,000 men to spare for that Ottoman sector. We'll never bitch about Vietnam or Korea tough
Sturmmann 9 months ago
america as a world power is almost spent even the mighty nations rome greece medopersians had their alloted time then total oblivion america will be decemated by nuclear power and natural disasters you will have to dig very deep to find traces of their society,
nissmoguy 9 months ago
@nissmoguy yea and Im sure back in 1989 before the collapse of USSR your father was spewing the same bullshit
here we are 20 yrs later
Sturmmann 8 months ago
Besides, when you have Dan Daily leading the Charge there ain't nothing in the world stopping that charge, by that time Dan Daily Already had 2 Medal of Honors before even being in WW1 lol.
Come on you Sons of Bitches,Do you want to live for Ever!?
Dogmeat1950 1 year ago
@Dogmeat1950 BTW The charge that Dan Daily lead was stopped. Who cares if he won 2 medals before WW1? Dan Daily said that he did NOT say that quote the way you posted it.
1Dougy85 1 year ago
@1Dougy85
"For Christ's sake men—come on! Do you want to live forever? is what Dan daily said.
Either way. means the same damn thing.
also the charge wasn't stopped many Marines Managed to break through the lines and end up behind the Germans. READ READ READ helps when you read.
and who cares about the MOH? the fact that the man lived to received both of them is the amazing part and then lived through WW1
Dogmeat1950 1 year ago
@Dogmeat1950 It doesn’t mean the same thing. It’s a statement of exasperation to his men who were hugging the wheat field and not moving. What is the big deal about one quote anyway?
It was a poorly coordinated attack that failed, the worst day in Marine history and the most casualties in one day. A small area of the Woods was held for a short time but that doesn’t make the attack successful. Same thing happened many times with the Allies.
1Dougy85 1 year ago
@1Dougy85 tell me something. are you really that retarded?
This battle set the U.S Marines as a global name.
the attack didn't fail in fact the Marines stopped the German push.
the worst day in Marine Corps history if there ever was one. would be the battle of Wake Island were all Marines were killed but they did make history by being the only force in WW2 to repel a Naval landing. took the Japanese 2 naval landings to capture the Island.
not stop being a dumb kid.
Dogmeat1950 1 year ago
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1Dougy85 1 year ago
@Dogmeat1950 No it did not set the Marines as a global name nor did they stop the German push. You seem to think the Marines accomplished a military success unheard of. The Marines got very good publicity thanks to one reporter which pissed off Pershing and army of the 2nd and 3rd US divisions. News may have got out that the US was involved in it’s first battle but the world was not awestruck about the exploits at Belleau Wood
1Dougy85 1 year ago
@1Dougy85 pissed off Pershing? it was Pershing that said. The Most Deadliest Weapon in the world is a Marine and his Rifle.
also I think when your dropping people at 500m when nobody in the world at the time practiced that type of shooting says something too.
Dogmeat1950 1 year ago
@Dogmeat1950 Pershing was not happy that marines got good publicity but his army got none though both were involved in same actions like Belleau Wood. Marines even got credit in one battle in which not involved.
Newspapers in US called the Marines Devil Dogs in April 1918 before the battle of Belleau Wood.
The British territorial army trained in long range and rapid fire. The mad minute. Germans in 1914 thought they were being fired on by machineguns and not rifles.
1Dougy85 1 year ago
@1Dougy85 THE MAD minute was a high rate of fire the British did with it's Rifles. Marines trained to shoot at 500m or greater at that time no other Military trained on a daily bases to shoot that far.
Dogmeat1950 1 year ago
@1Dougy85
yea they taught they were being fired upon by MGs because they could see bullets impacting all over the place.
15rds a min isnt a steady and accurate rate of fire at 300yds.
Sturmmann 1 year ago
@Sturmmann It was actually 30 rounds a minute not 15 and they were trained to hit within a 12 inch target area. The record was 38 rounds in 1 minute at 300 yards on the12 inch target.. You say the Germans saw bullets impacting all over the place, of course you mean into bodies. The British defeated German forces much larger than themselves with these men.
1Dougy85 1 year ago
@1Dougy85
you have obviously never fired a bolt action during a rapid fire session to truly understand the crap you're claiming is possible.
15rds is barely possible on a human silhoutte, let alone 38
how the fuck did the Germans survive to tell the tale of brit machine gun fire?
because heard the cracking of bullets wizzing by and the impacts on the ground, much like a machine gun spray. You wouldnt know what that feels like cause youve never been in combat.
Sturmmann 1 year ago
@Dogmeat1950 I would hardly call battle maps that show Marines being defeated at Wake a success and they did fail, the Japs took Wake. Also, all the Marines weren’t killed (did you learn that from a movie?) just some but most surrendered. Did the Marines repel them on the beaches or did aircraft and artillery repel the invasion? Only force to repel a landing in WW2? Hardly. You not only fail WW1 but also WW2. You don’t know your own history but yet call others retarded that do
1Dougy85 1 year ago
@1Dougy85 hell kid even the battle maps of the day show the Marine Success.
Dogmeat1950 1 year ago
@Dogmeat1950 The attack indeed failed as well as one or two later attacks and you are confusing two separate battles, not the trait of a retard but of one who has no idea what he is talking about. I will help you. The attack we are talking about is of US infantry to clear the 1 mile square Woods of the Germans called the Battle of Belleau Wood. A few days prior to being ordered to clear the wood they were involved at the end of the Battle of Third Aisne
1Dougy85 1 year ago
@Dogmeat1950 The Germans had come about 30 miles on a 70 mile front and were exhausted and overextended. The French had already counter attacked along the front and in some places had recaptured ground before the Marines became involved. If not the US marines then some French unit would have simply be put into their place. 27 allied divisions arrived within a week to stop the German offensive and only 2 were US of which only some units saw action.
1Dougy85 1 year ago
@Dogmeat1950 Day one of BW was a mess, the worst day in US Marine history with the most casualties to that time. Historians say it a useless battle and shouldn’t have been fought, you can blame Foch and Pershing. It served no purpose other than straightening of lines. The Wood was finally taken after 3 weeks only after French Command ordered a 14 hour bombardment, something that could have been done and won the first day with experienced French or British troops.
1Dougy85 1 year ago
@Dogmeat1950 British and Indian army repelled 2 Japanese invasions of India inflicted heavy loses, the Japanese repelled at Ceylon. Chinese repelled at least one Japanese landing, Australians repelled Japanese at New Guinea. German landing repelled at Norway. Canadian, British and American allies at Dieppe repelled. Soviet landing on Finland repelled. Others? You seem to think the US Marines are some kind of elite force when they are no different than regular army of other countries.
1Dougy85 1 year ago
@1Dougy85
the Marines are elite, because they dont have an embarrasing defeats or surrenders like the british army at gallipoli, arnhem, dunkirk, isdlwanna, iraq 1915, SINGAPORE 1942!!,
should I keep going?
Sturmmann 1 year ago
@Sturmmann Please do keep going. Don’t forget Wake and Chosin. How was the Marine retreat evacuation at Hungnam different from Dunkirk? If they were at Gallipoli, Dunkirk, Arnhem, Isandlwana, Singapore they would have faired no better.
You should read about the 3 week battle at Belleau Wood. No disrespect to the US Marines but experience would have made a huge difference. Any British or French unit would have taken the Wood in much shorter time.
1Dougy85 1 year ago
@1Dougy85
haha if the Marines were at Singapore?
they were surrounded by the entire jap navy at Guadalcanal and not a single grunt waved the white flag.
Less than 50 Marines/army soldiers died at Wake Island, killing over 1,200 japs.
Chosin= Marines of 1st MarDiv inflict 60,000 casualties upon the chinese while suffering 600 dead.
not even the french have as embarassing defeats and retreats as the british nd we ridicule them, thats what i hate
Sturmmann 1 year ago
@Sturmmann You have to read about Singapore to understand and 80,000 surrendered. Guadacanal was an offence and they weren’t left alone out on a limb on the other side of the world. There were only 30,000 Brits not 100,000. 15, 000 Australians. Half the defenders were natives and East Indian and there was much fighting before the surrender. A bit more than 2 to 1 is not hugely outnumbered. Did the US run out of food, ammunition and water at Guadacanal?
1Dougy85 1 year ago
@1Dougy85
oh ok, now you blame your own mishaps on the australians and foreign recruits.
Explain Gallipoli, The Battle of Cartegena de las Indias, 1741.The US war of Independence, 1775-1783 Medway, 1667. Orleans, 1429 La Rochelle, 1372
Bordeaux, 1453 Yorktown, 1781 Hastings 1066
Saratoga, 1777 Castlebar, 1798 Isandhlwana, 1879 Gallipoli, 1915; Iraq, 1916
Afghanistan, 1842, 1880, 1919 Somme, 1916.The Suez 'Crisis', 1955.
im running out of space....
Sturmmann 1 year ago
@Sturmmann I think your numbers are too low for dead US and too high for dead Japanese at Wake. Regardless, the bulk of the Japanese died on ships that were attacked by planes and artillery and sunk. You make it sound like only 50 Marines died while killing 1200 Jap land forces, not so. Two Jap destroyers were sunk with all hands as well as dead Japs on other ships. 150 dead Marines.
1Dougy85 1 year ago
@Sturmmann Chosin- Nearer to 25,000 enemy dead and wounded from all UN forces involved. 1st Marines were not alone, can’t remember think they had US Army with them, but had British Commandoes. I know your thinking right now those Brit Commandoes are the reason for the high body count. Actually US Army, Navy, and Marine aircraft and artillery strikes were with the retreat all the way and caused even more enemy dead than the Brits.
1Dougy85 1 year ago
@1Dougy85
what commandos? there is no mention of them ever holding a sector of the line
Sturmmann 1 year ago
@Sturmmann I have fired a bolt action small caliber rifle but not during a rapid fire session, I took my time, and I can tell you from experience that hitting a gopher at 600 yards is impossible.
Does this mean you are full of crap with your claim of Marines being trained to hit a target at 600 yards?
Perhaps 15rds is barely possible on a human silhouette for US Marines but not 30 for the prewar trained British Territorial Army. 38 was just the record.
1Dougy85 1 year ago
@1Dougy85
Marines trained since before WW1 to qualify on the service rifle to hit a man sized target from the 600 out to the 800 yard lines wit the Krag Jorgensen and 1903 Springfield rifles.
They showed that marksmanship prowess to the brits and french at Bellau Wood in 1918
To this day we still qualify with the rifle annualy from the 200,300 and the 500 yard line, open sights.
Sturmmann 1 year ago
@Sturmmann It came down to technique and training of course. Try shooting with your second finger, busy your first finger with helping to cock the bolt and get some crazy glue and glue your face to the headstock so your eye never leaves your sights or target. People may look at you funny on your way to and from the range but after a few weeks I bet your number of rounds will improve.
Also, get yourself a Lee Enfield.
1Dougy85 1 year ago
@1Dougy85
how was there a survivor?
well 2 british battalion commanders had to report to their regimental commander that they lost their battalions to a section of german machine guns
thats how we know....
we also know that 60% of the first wave of 30+ divisions were wiped out in the first few hours.
where is the british skill there?
Sturmmann 1 year ago
@1Dougy85
Marine riflemen do not loose to a bunch of spear chuckers.
Marines did not loose to a bunch of arabs in Iraq 1915
10 Marines never surrendered to a weaker enemy without putting up a fight,
in singapore 1942, 100,000 brits surrendered without putting up a fight eventough hugely outnumbering the japs.
an entire army corps surrendering.....that cannot be justified
Sturmmann 1 year ago
@Sturmmann Natural warrior skills of the British would also help.
1Dougy85 1 year ago
@1Dougy85
what skill? there is no skill in retreating from Dunkirk, Dieppe or surrendering at Arnhem.
I saw no skill when the Boer marksman sniped brits.....there was no skill there.
Sturmmann 1 year ago
@Sturmmann How the fuck did some British survive the first day of the Somme to tell the tale of German machinegun fire?
How do you know I’ve never been in combat?
Does clubbing baby seals count?
Marine riflemen never took on a bunch of Zulu spear chuckers or Arabs in 1915.
Did 10 Brits ever surrender to a weaker enemy without putting up a fight?
An entire army corps surrendered at the Philippines. Can that be justified?
1Dougy85 1 year ago
@1Dougy85
Marines did take on a primitive enemy...all over haiti and nicaragua. Killing hundreds and suffering a couple of men wounded. They never lost a single firefight during the Banana wars, even when outnumbered. Three Marines made an entire caco force retreat during the Siege of Fort Riviere.
yes brits did surrender without putting up a fight.....SINGAPORE1942
no that cant be justified....
Sturmmann 1 year ago
@Sturmmann
I seem to recall the US Marines surrendered an entire embassy to a bunch of Iranian *students* without firing a shot. Marines Paul Lewis, Kevin Hermening, Ladell Maples & William Quarles were all filmed reading pro-Khomeini tracts, and thanking their captors for the Christmas turkey they were given. Maples openly wept on one occasion.
Casualty figures? Here's one that, unlike yours, isn't made up - the US lost almost as many men to Spanish Flu (43,000) as in combat (50,000) in WWI.
beastatlay 9 months ago
@beastatlay
you're comparing a small peace time embassy security detail to a fucking army corps surrendering during a total war?
since you want to compare statistics...
We lost less in 10yrs of holding Vietnam than the British did in one day at the Somme.
60,000 FYI
Sturmmann 9 months ago
@Sturmmann
No, comparing it to yr "10 Marines never surrendered to a weaker enemy without putting up a fight" comment and proving it false by using a recent and well-documented incident.
Incidentally, do you actually think you have the ability to offend me, you cheesy, B-line YouTube Neo-Nazi? You're the kind of sad act who fantasises about mass uprising and racial holy war, but then gets arrested for crank-calling Pakistani housewives and possessing shampoo bottles full of weedkiller & sugar.
beastatlay 9 months ago
@beastatlay
you're wrong on the last part, Ive been meaning to fix my channel page. We all have things we'd like to forget.
The only time I can remember Marines firing shots in anger to defend an embassy was back in 1900 Boxer Rebellion and other uprisings of the Chinese that followed. Japs taking over and so on. The embassy in Belgrade was stormed without resistance. Saigon embassy was held in '75 without warning shots aswell.
no not offend just inform...silly goose
Sturmmann 9 months ago
This video is bullshit. Why did the realstate change hands 6 times? The Marines were only able to take the Woods after a 14 hour bombardment orderd by French Command. And it did not stop the final major offensive by the Germans. In fact 2 more German offensives were launched after the battle of Belleau Wood began.
1Dougy85 1 year ago
My late grand father George D. Hebert fought at Belleau Wood and came home to tell us about it.
PeterHebert123 1 year ago
@dougy85, why don't you ask the Germans what happened at Belleau Wood, they were there, you weren't!
Rickat1964 1 year ago
For the real facts behind the incorrect spelling and context of teufelhunden, and how it actually blew up into one of the largest Marine Corps history falsehoods taught to every single recruit. Read the Marine Corps historians handbook.
combatcorrespondent 2 years ago
Why don't you take time out to"help" us old tired former Marines out with your Phd in history. Maybe "you" can clear this whole thing up for us once and for all..............Semper Fi.
oldrumer4u 2 years ago
@oldrumer4u Get serious! US marines did not fight with any more ferocity than millions of other soldiers during WW1. You have no idea what men become in battle or what they are capable of. The term Devil Dog was first mentioned a few times in papers in the States in April 1918. Belleau Wood was in June 1918. The Germans naming the US Marines Devil Dog is a myth. In fact that term is not even in German vocabulary. Hell Hound is the closest but yet no evidence exists to support the myth.
1Dougy85 1 year ago
@1Dougy85 check a few comments down below, next time do some hard core reading and fact finding.
Dogmeat1950 1 year ago
@Dogmeat1950 You mean the one from Combatcorrespondent? I already read it. Poor German? More like poor German American.
1Dougy85 1 year ago
After the battle, the French renamed the wood "Bois de la Brigade de Marine" ("Wood of the Marine Brigade") in honor of the Marines' tenacity. The French government also later awarded the 4th Brigade the Croix de Guerre. Belleau Wood is allegedly also where the Marines got their nickname.
Dogmeat1950 2 years ago
"Teufel Hunden" meaning "Devil Dogs" in poor German (actually "Teufelshunde" in proper German), for the ferocity with which they attacked the German lines. An official German report classified the Marines as "vigorous, self-confident, and remarkable marksmen...",[21] General Pershing even said, "The deadliest weapon in the world is a Marine and his rifle!"
Dogmeat1950 2 years ago
i'm from chateau-thierry, and i want to thank all the great men who fight for our freedom.
FSboarder 2 years ago 2
Thats an awesome sight to behold, the place where the Marines really became known for their fighting prowess and tenacity. Semper Fi Devil Dogs!
nyboy76 2 years ago
HELL YEAH DEVIL DOGS!
DisposableHero 3 years ago 3
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tourkiahellas 3 years ago
i always think of germans screaming the devil dogs coming retreat and theres thousands of marines running at them
Hotwheelsonfire 3 years ago
Its significance is that it was fought by the Marines, Pershing was pissed that they got so much publicity. If the French or British would have fought the battle it would have been over sooner and few now would have ever heard about it. If the Australians or Canadians would have fought it it would have been over within a day, not 20.
1Dougy85 3 years ago
Thats why the Germans broke through the french line to get to Belleau Wood and a french officer told the marines that they should retreat. And the reason its so well known now is because it was the bloodiest day in Marine Corps history. Don't try to belittle their accomplishment.
marineAV 3 years ago
Why did the Germans break through to Belleau Wood? Dont understand you.
The bloodiest battle in their history at the time and good publicity is why its known. Some say the battle stopped the German advance, saved Paris, saved the Allies, most important battle of the war, all incorrect. I have the deepest respect for the Marines of Belleau Wood, same as soldiers from any country, but facts are facts and none of the facts about Belleau disgrace them or should show them in a lesser light
1Dougy85 3 years ago
how do you think the germans got to belleau wood,the french couldn't stop them or the british
mangokiller111 2 years ago
Mangokillerm, The Americans were at only one small point in the line. The French stopped the Germans to the east of Belleau Wood and not only stopped them to the north but had also regained ground the day before they were stopped near Belleau Wood by the Americans. The British stopped the Germans in their sector twice.
1Dougy85 2 years ago
Don't fuck with the Marines
cwood4ever 3 years ago 6
its so famous because two of the most famous marine corps quotes were said in this battle first dan daly a marine who won 2medals of honor said "come on u sons of bitches you wanna live forever" and pershing said "the worlds deadliest weapon is a marine and his rifle."
dbdude69 2 years ago
The battle did not stop the Germans nor did it save Paris. It didnt need to be fought, the woods could have been bypassed by the French offensive a month later and was just another one of many useless and senselessly fought battles. The Woods were finally taken after the French Command ordered a 14 hour bombardment and was the reason the Marines were able to win over the Germans.
1Dougy85 3 years ago
US Divisions had more than twice as many men as German and Allied. The Germans had not been there more than 2 days and were not well entrenched It was harder for the the marines as they were green and did not know how to fight a modern war. No, Belleau Wood did not save the allies from defeat, thats ridiculous. The Germans still would never have been able to take Paris even if they won that battle and it ws insignificant in the bigger picture of what was happening at that time.
1Dougy85 3 years ago
American help toward stopping the Germans was very, very small compared to anyone, especially the French (they werent liberated by US) Over 60 miles of French front under attack, Belleau Wood was of 1 mile. French Command said the inexperienced Americans best retreat letting Germans over extend and weaken. Marines helped stop the Germans on Paris Rheims road. The French also stopped the Germans along the rest of the front the same time and earlier, even had already retaken ground.
1Dougy85 3 years ago
YOUR MIGHT sorry from previous post
Victory1981 3 years ago
The third German offensive was stopped all along the lines by June 4th with the Germans exhausted and over extended. 2 days later the Marines attacked at Belleau Wood and were to eject the Germans who were already there. The fourth offensive by the Germans took place to the north of Belleau Wood, aimed toward Paris and during the battle of Belleau Wood, it was stopped. The fifth and final offensive by the Germans took place mainly to the east of Belleau Wood on July 15th. , it was stopped.
1Dougy85 3 years ago
There were not 5 German Divisions involved but only elements of 5 Divisions which numbered much less than the whole and American Divisions had twice as many men as German Divisions. The Germans were the ones that were outnumbered at Belleau Wood and had only 2 days to set up their concealed machine gun nests, which was sufficient time. The Marine on the clip said that the battle at Belleau Wood stopped the final German offensive of the war which is wrong.
1Dougy85 3 years ago
no we didn't outnumber them or have twice as many men as the german divisions and on top of that the germans were well entrenched which makes it that much harder, yes the Battle of Belleau wood saved the allies from defeat from the Germans because if we lose they could have taken Paris.
Victory1981 3 years ago
Plus we helped stopped the German offensive at Chateau-Thierry as well.
Victory1981 3 years ago
don't forget the French battalions.
ironzeppelinoverhead 3 years ago
...or the British, Italians, Canadians, Anzacs, Russians, etc. etc., but this clip wasn't meant to be a comprehensive documentary about WW1, or even of the Battle of Belleau Wood. It was simply a short snippet made by US Marines, for US Marines, briefly outlining the Marines' part in that one particular battle, and nothing more.
grant135a 3 years ago
grant is correct we played our part in the last year and half of the war with fresh men and supplies, were were apart of the allied lines that helped stop the third German offensive of the war which was crucial. Catigny, Chateau Thierry, Belleau Wood, St Mihail Salient, and Argonne Forest were battles Americans were involved in on the western front, We were under French command at first then went under Pershing. The enemy forces included, Germans, Austria-Hungary, Ottoman Empire etc overall
Victory1981 3 years ago
The French and British were the biggest allied contributors in world war 1 but we did our part as well as saviours to help turn back the German offensives. We also were involved in the air war also.
Victory1981 3 years ago
The French prevented an early German victory in WW1 with their victory in the First Battle of Marne 1914.
Victory1981 3 years ago
What r u talkin about, wW1 is when the Americans were recongize3d world wide for there military power, for things like liberating france
bobglad16 3 years ago
I was talking baout the overall war, yes at Belleau Wood the French were calling for retreat and one the famous phrase, Retreat, "Hell", we just got here" This battle helped saved the allies fom defeat.
Victory1981 3 years ago
The US was all over europe, "France" they were just defending what they had.
bobglad16 3 years ago
we weren't all over Europe, We were in France mostly and we had a division in Italy. We were one of the saviors in this war. Youm ight be getting WW1 confused with WW2, we were all over in WW2 though vs Germany, Japan, etc.
Victory1981 3 years ago
I had family in WW1 in belgium luxembourgh and some that fought in belleau wood
bobglad16 3 years ago
Yeah, but your said all over Europe, we weren't all over Europe in WW1 like we were in WW2, we were mostly in France, that's what I meant.
However, one may not know, we had Americans pilots that served in the war since 1915 under French command they were called the "Lafayette Squadron"
Victory1981 3 years ago
though i respect them they were trying to retreat when the marines arived and then preceded to charg
Janilenae2007 3 years ago
lol
bobglad16 3 years ago
the french didn't do shit they wanted to rereat
bobglad16 3 years ago
Remember !! Semper fi !!
managrey 3 years ago
a salute to the fighting marines! they kick ass!
lennonian316 3 years ago
Belleau Wood there were 2 American divisions against 5 German divisions and the Germans were well entrenched in the wood to top it off. Almost 90 years since that battle. It stopped the third German advance towards Paris(Aisne) Germans were withing artillery range, it was hard fought and a bloody battle but we won. My great uncle served in the Marines at Iwo Jima, he fought and was wounded, Semper Fi
Victory1981 4 years ago 3
We were outnumbered as well. 5 German Divisions against 2 American divisions. Both sides had heavy casualties but we won the battle. Belleau Wood stopped the Aisne advance towards Paris as well. The Germans were in artillery range of Paris. Almost 90 years since that battle. My great uncle served in the marines in WW2 at Battle of Iwo Jima vs the Japanese and he fought and was wounded, Semper Fi
Victory1981 4 years ago
and where ever there are marines there is a navy corpsman!
HospitalC0rps8777 4 years ago 3
"Where Angels and Marines fear to tred there you will find a Corpsman dead"
ThatUJohnWayne 4 years ago