@hammertime923 yea u might be right but il bet anything you want that it will beat your passat in a race by more then two cars easy with only a 18hp difference
@The91efcivic Do you know the difference between types of dynos? The dynojet will give you approximately 10-15% higher numbers than a mustang dyno. They're completely different machines.
agreed on the stupid part being in front, but as for the term ricer. That is a reference to a vehicle that looks like its from the fast and furious. Not a reference to where it is built. In your terms of "ricer" you should call a Toyota Supra that... or Acura NSX. This civic looks stock and therefore looks more USD/JDM (Japanese Domestic Market) than "ricer" of any sort...
The 2 valve design is the worst design. Why do you think Toyota stopped using it in the early 1980's? 2 big valves are heavy, thus limiting airflow and higher rpm. And again it goes both ways though. Would you prefer more valves or more cylinders. The Mercedes started using the 4 valve design and discontinued the 3 valve design in the early 2000s. Dohc is better then using one cam or the sohc(slave cam crap) because it gives the motor a wider torque band to pull those heavy Benzes.
You must know much about the RPM gains on a manual tranny ...he was not in 1st or 2nd... May have been in 3rd or 4th gear...RPM gain doesnt mean anything between a 4cyl, V6 or a V8. lol. Might want to learn a few things before you post again.
@iidanny11...Honda 4 cylinders have been doing that for over a decade(more like 1990s)...lol. 218hp N/A is not even the best that honda 4 cylinder can put out.
@turbozor LOL!!! what a noob you fuckin lil kid... you obviously dont know shit about cars!! cuz if u did u would know 4th gear pulls are the best for dyno runs. and this thing has a 6spd which equals short gears.. learn something before you come talking shit because you just made an ass out of yourself
@turbozor...A inline 4 and 6 cylinders are superior to a v8. It is a better design than the v's. Why do you think they have displacement limits on them? The biggest inline 4 and 6's are 3.0L. In the 1920's there was a 7.0L inline 4, but the person that drove the car died because it was just too fast. If a 1.6L Honda makes 160hp out of 1.6L(100hp per liter) imagine what a 7.0L would do? 700hp...Corvette Ls1 would be destroyed if honda decided to do that.
@jhaze918 yea actually it is pretty impressive i used 2 have a 3.1 with 160 hp imagine if it was 100hp per liter thts 310hp so yea it is pretty impessive
You do realize that manufacturers choose between in-line or V for reasons such as firing order, space and so forth. Technically in-line engines are LESS balanced than V engines in most cases. Example take 720 degree and divide it by the number of cylinders and that should be the degree of your V. With an in-line you don't get any natural off set and may need counter weights etc. V-10 = 72, v-8 - 90, V-60 = 120 etc. Because cylinders don't fire every rotation this is necessary.
@gotmatt2 V's are more balanced? Would you drive a rough pushrod v8 or a smooth inline 6? Inline 6 are more smooth engines and they have better airflow and make more power better due to their straight cylinders. inline 6 don't need balance shafts like your V6 s. A inline 6 is equivalent to a v10 due to it's better . V8's don't breathe as well as inlines because of their v shaped cylinders. I guess you have never driven a BMW or the older model Lexus before.
The cylinders aren't shaped any different-they are placed in a v rather than a line. I've never heard in-lines automatically breathes better. All V8s aren't pushrod, but I don't think they're that bad-do you think ferrari or the M3 v8s are rough running? As for 2 valve being the worst, this is true for RPM potential, but it has its pluses as well. In a bigger V8 you don't need RPM, you supplement with torque. I.E. the ls3 makes like 300ft/lbs at 1000 rpm and never goes below it.
Hahahah, you are joking?? LS3 produce 430 ft/Ibs @ 5200 rpm, so it can't make 300 ft/Ibs at 1000rpm, that's impossible for 6.2 liter engine even in diesel variant. You can be happy with 150 ft/Ibs at 1000rpm. Still 150 ft/lbs is standard for 2 liter engines. ALL MOTOR extracting 85-100 ft/lbs per liter from K24 and K26 Honda engines.
Hp per liter means nothing-put a bike engine in your car the make way more than 100 hp per liter but will it be faster? Get a clue. Also, the ls3 DOES make roughly 300ft/lbs at 1000 RPM, you don't know what you're talking about. Go to gmperformanceparts website, click on build it, click on LS and then LS3 (the 430 hp not the cammed 480 or 515). Then click the dyno chart to see the stock ls3 crate engine for the C6 Corvette and its dyno chart. This is straight from GM.
Bike engined cars are acceptable only if cars weights under 2200Ibs or less. Yes, my mistake dyno chart from GM claimed linear torque from 1000 rpm to 2500, you are right, i was looking wrong line. LS3 is really great engine, better than anything before. K20 in average get 150ft/lbs (142-160), K20 2.2 Mugen get 175.
almost all K24 gets 160 at least up to 170, which is very good for such a small engines. Aftermarket K20A 12,5:1 comp running 245-250bhp, and 175tq.
Never said they weren't good engines, wasn't my point. Just that high specific output isn't the only way to make a car fast or an engine good. That was also my point in bringing up the bike engine, and even in a 2000 lbs car the bike engine would be stressed under everyday driving. Yeah, I would be fast once it hit its power band, but you don't drive that way on the roads.
And finally....the K20 makes barely 70 ft/lbs per liter and the k24 from the tsx makes around 71. Where the hell did you get 85 - 100 per liter? And the K26 is a stroked k24, the nature of stroked engines is more torque and that also means it isn't stock. So you can't compare that against a stock ls3, if you stroke the ls3 for torque it would be unbelievable -ever hear of a 383? BTW 140 is standard on the 2.0 k-series you exaggerating putz.
K24/K20 built by All Motor extracting almost 330bhp and 220tq @ 13:1, while on 14:1 gets 350bhp and 240tq. Same story is with 13:1 K26/K20, 365bhp/ 255tq, on 14:1 gets flat 400bhp/ 260+ tq. Go to ALL MOTOR page.BTW, Do you ever heard for 712CI since I'm standing by something like that?? 383CI looks like joke behind that. have a nice day.
712? The point I was getting at clueless is that you can stroke any engine and it will make more torque and the most common chevy small block stroked is the 383. The 712 is a big block what was your point? And there are 800-1000 hp NA small blocks but so what, it's cheaper and less time draining just to boost. And you are again bringing up motors that are far from stock especially with 13 or 14 to 1 compression. Wake up...have a nice day
Well NASCAR V8's are close to your numbers if we talking about SB's. I saw SBC 427 running 850-900 bhp at 8200 rpm and 11,5:1 .Mr. Nelson knows how to built proper race engine ;-)
Yeah, if you look at the Ultima GTR you can buy the ls7 through them making 800hp NA. Not exactly the most streetable and that's why I suggest a small blower-centrifugal so it doesn't make too much TQ.
The pontiac G8 GXP comes with an ls3, weighs 4000lbs and with an automatic returned 18 mpg average when tested by Road and Track. The C63 making about 35 more hp, but weighing about 100 lbs less, returned 15 mpg while tested by Road and Track. The G8 didn't have the 6-speeds highway gear and still returned those numbers. The LS7 isn't used in any other car so I can't compare, but it returned an average of 17.5 in the z06 and the SLS AMG returned 10.8. No exotic matches the z06's fuel efficiency
That said, the huge highway numbers come from the tall sixth gear in the manual. However, if they came with 8-speed autos it would be an even bigger number. The new autos are pretty damn impressive, especially when equipped with dual clutches, they can speed acceleration and boost mpg. As hard as it is for me to accept, at some time I will be forced to give up the manual.
I don't know where did you find those numbers, but C63 and SLS AMG gains 50-100 hp more from their engines. C63 in Europe have at least 510bhp up to 560bhp, and average 18 mpg, while SLS 15 mpg average.
C63-(510-560)-18mpg, Pontiac G8 GPX is lighter ,430 bhp and gains same mpg. SLS AMG 560-630 bhp and gains 15 mpg avg. All these numbers are test from Car and Driver and ADAC.
I got those numbers from road and track magazine-September 2010. The C63 makes 451hp here from a 6.2 v8 and weighs 3900lbs. The GXP makes makes 415hp and weighs 4000lbs. That makes the GXP lighter but 35 less hp. However, when tested by the magazine it returned 17.8 average mpg while the AMG returned 15.1. The Car and Driver i'm looking at says the EPA for the C63(2007) is 12city/19highway and the 2010 is 14/20 (451-81hp), the E63(09) is 13/20. Whereas the Camaro SS is 16/24.
Don't know, perhaps because they are still so much more expensive here than many other cars. Also, we don't share european love for diesels, so a lot of them aren't imported and the other manufacturers don't make the crash requirements. There is very little market for the mirco car and people that do buy european cars do so for the name and the perceived prestige. Basically "look what I can afford" is the reason we buy BMW, Mercedes Benz and Audi as daily drivers. And they're very nice cars
We can't even get the 320D, we get the 335D and it starts at more than $44000. As for the A4 the base 2.0T will cost between $33-45000 depending on FWD/AWD and transmission. So they are still fairly expensive when you compare them to what you can get for that money. It's sad they are a status symbol instead of a good car everyday working people can buy.
AMG v8s are nice nut they aren't that great. Honestly, it boils done to your goals and what kind of money you want to put out. The LS series engines get great fuel economy and make amazing power. Hell for 7k you can get a 515 hp crate ls3 from GM and with a cam and ecu mod the ls7 will make over 600. Not hating on AMG just the engines are very expensive. Chevy doesn't put the 515hp ls3 in the base vette because it's overkill, would cannibalize z06 sales, and would reduce gas mileage.
Well AMG engine are very efficient, if we look, they pull heavy ass AMG's. a 4000Ibs AMG with 5.5 V8 twinturbo C63 get average 24mpg. That's what I call efficient. Old 6.2 was getting 20mpg average.
AMG engines are expensive because using high tech technology. Last time I checked about used engines here in EU, I found pretty cheap engines. Well, LS3 is cheap in US, but not here in EU. Chevy dealership claimed 15,000 $ for brand new LS3 (turn on key), and almost 22,000 for LS7.
Shit if I were you I'd buy and ship them (ls3/7) from here, you'd make a killing. The 6.2, AMG, is rated here at 13 city 19 highway from the EPA-while heavy, it still only makes like 451 or 480ish hp depending on the year. The CTS-V gets 14 city and 19 highway while being a even bigger car and making 556hp with a supercharged LS. I have never seen 24 mpg figures posted for the 5.5, are your referencing the imperial gallon or U.S.? Anyway, the C63 AMG is a beautiful and quick luxury sedan
Old C63(6.2, 510bhp) according to ADAC (Germany), converted to US units, gets 14mpg city / 20 mpg highway (based on 60% city - 40 % highway). Newer 5.5 in CLK/CLS/S/CL/C have 5.5 V8 twin turbo 540bhp have 15mpg city / 23mpg highway. Since they are 5000Ibs cars that's fantastic. Cadillac CTS-V according to ADAC gets, 13mpg/20mpg. LS3 in Camaro SS gets 15/23, and LS7 in ZO6 15/24. Zo6 is much lighter than SS. Also good fuel economy gets Panamera 15mpg/22mpg, Audi A8 6.3 w12 gets 13/22.
The newer cars do a lot better because of the 7-8 speed transmission as much as the engine efficiency. But when you look at cars from 10 years ago the heavy cars now get higher mpg and are better performing. I am unfamiliar with ADAC, over here we use EPA, but I'm sure they are pretty similar.
I agree in-line sixes are smoother than v6s, you can think of a v6 as to inline three, and inline threes are horribly unbalanced. But I6s cranks do need countershafts/balanceshafts to quell vibration (because the crankshaft is longer) However, v8s are actually quite balanced. They also have lower centers of gravity and are more compact. V8s and V12s are like in-line 4s and in-line 6s put together in a v. True, the less friction the more power, but that doesn't mean it needs to be in-line.
Also, if in-line was so superior why does honda use V-6s? BTW, technically the smaller your reciprocating parts are the better. i.e. a 3 liter v8s piston would weigh less than a 3 liter v6 and the valves would be smaller etc, these things allow a higher RPM. Chevy uses 2 values not 4 per cylinder, and one cam controlling everything, this limits it RPM-bigger parts. However, 100 hp/ltr ls1s are not hard to produce. Google Ultima GTR they sell a 7.0 ltr z06 engine with over 700hp.
And to counter your argument about about "why are all 4cyl in-line." They're not. Boxer or flat engines have horizontally opposed cylinders. Also, 720/4 is 180. So, 4 cylinder engines must be inline of boxer to remain balanced. Because cylinders fire every 180 deg of crankshaft rotation this is necessary in four cylinders so the crank can make complete rotations. With more cylinders you have more options. Lastly, There are plenty of examples where v8s make over 100hp/ltr-ferrari 458=125
got a question if you are in california I heard that K20 are allowed if no modifications are made just wondering cause, in some forums I read that the honda K-series aren't allowed can anyone answer this question?
@8thcivicownr yep that is true, u can also go on ebay and just look for the block. it's not the same k24 however. u might wanna swap the head off a k20.
@pdgeman pretty much EVERY engine honda has built the last ten years has had some level of vtec on it. the question is is it the power vtec or the econ vtec?
@pdgeman the k24a2 from the TSX has the same 3 lobe VTEC as the k20a2, k20z1, k20z3 and k20a motors, and also comes with 200 crank hp like those k20's. the k24a1, k24a4, k24a8 motors from accord, CRV, or Element have Vtec on 1 cam. basically an economy VTEC which the k20a3 from the 02-05 civic Si has also.
The tune is definitely not the best. That should be producing more power than that. I know so because I have two k24's sitting in my garage! Also, with the k-series with a good tune the vtec crossover should be a lot smoother than that. I know with ITB's the sound is louder so maybe thats the case here but crossover if done correctly is barely noticeable. Nice setup though. Bet she screams!
did ever american muscle cars took out 100/hp /litre non modded and n/a. ?? they re large and heavy for nothing just to waste fuel and have poor handling except you put some big grands on suspention mods brakes etc etc ,, i will be more proud racing my little 1.8 teg in a circuit beating higher scale cars rather than having a high capacity 8 cylinder engine large and heavy struggling to keep with small every day use economy cars ,that s my opinion :)
Just because you put new suspension on your chevy you think it can handle!? If you knew your ass from your elbow you would know that a car set up for drag CAN'T turn for shit. Let's see a car with drag slicks and a solid rear axle take turns. You easily don't have the car you say you do.
why are you on the interenet watching honda vids. You probaly dont even own a fucking car you retard. Get a life, people like what they like. why do all you stupid rednecks give a shit anyway.
if you're a rich person, you have a digital camera..make a video of the car or shut the fuck up and quit talking shit, it's not imports fault that they cost half as much to upgrade and produce the same numbers ;) don't need to get all pissy about it
You are a dipshit. If you have a fast american car set up for drag....It will NOT turn.
You have no idea what you are talking about. You must have a lot of time on your hands to be in a band, have a girlfriend, and build an imaginary muscle car, then at the end of the day come talk shit on honda videos.
You know nothing about cars, because it is only the dumb ass people that go and start shit for no reason. Have a nice day, faggot.
lol i would love to see a big ass muscle car trying to chase anything on a circuit track. Also I'm willing to bet your lily white ass wouldn't call anyone a nigger or nigger lover in person, you fuckin inbred redneck.
seeing as how i dont give a fuck your still a redneck and your still an inbred. muscles cars are a piece of shit like every other american car. power to weight ratio ever heard of that youngster? its not just about raw power its how well balanced a car is. Don't try to challenge me you'll end up hurting yourself.
Really? Nissan 370z, 350z, 300zx, 280z. Skyline gtst and KPGC Gtr(72') Toyota Mk2, 3 and 4 supra, ae86 corolla, Honda S2000, S600, All of which are non transaxles which means what? RWD . Ford, GM, Crhysler have just as many transaxle equiped cars if not more. I would love to see a "muscle car" Put down 800-1000hp on a stock bottom end and be driven everyday. And if imports are so gay why in the fuck are you watching a HONDA video??? Ass backwards? Indeed...
thats the only reason why they use the transalxe becasue smaller cars is better mpg
thus japan may try to compete in racing but no other country has ever developed the technology back in the day like america did for serious hp and torque
my neighbor drives an amc gremlin with a blown chevy 454
Did you read what I wrote? ON A STOCKKKKK BOTTOM END. And its fuel efficient not "fuel econonomic" Transaxles have almost nothing to do with fuel efficiency. Lamborghini, Ferrari, Koenigsegg, Honda/Acura NSX, Audi all use transaxels because the midengine cars not "Green Cars" son. Quite the contrary. Learn your facts and since you LOVE american muscle so much at very least learn how to speak Proper english
Damn son your like uh politician you cant answer one question. You said all imports had transaxels. They dont. You said there's point in discussing in torque. Subarus and Evo have you guessed it transaxles and create a good amount of low end torque. Now if you had a idea you should have said cost effective. How many American cars(With the exception of heavily modded ACR Viper) broke a record at Nurburgring? Your arguement if you can call it that is extremly poor and holds no weight.
Kid, give it a rest please. Your muscles cars are good in one aspect of motorsports and one aspect only...Straight line. Can they do a circuit? Sure but they will get raped by any lighter car and or car with AWD it's a fact. Second you need a incredible amount of torque when the car weighs as much a damn tank. Serious technology for the 70's??? Kid they had serious power not technology. Were on OBDIII now man. Do your research I went to school and got 5 of my ASE's lil guy.
a passat is a girls car just to point out one its flaws
TheMdawgIzzle 3 weeks ago
Haha, talk about a waste of money!
RiceKiller191 1 month ago
any luck on the hood clearance?
jdmyang 2 months ago
okay really nooby question but what kind of intake is that what is it called i want one for my eg soo bad
899jeanlouis 2 months ago
My peugeot 206 gti 180 has 180hp stock, major failure
RM585 2 months ago
my 96 passat vr6 has nearly 200 HP, so wow... failure ricer.
hammertime923 3 months ago
@hammertime923 yea u might be right but il bet anything you want that it will beat your passat in a race by more then two cars easy with only a 18hp difference
diego19917633 3 months ago
@hammertime923 huh? that makes no sense lol :P
Aightnigguh8D 2 months ago
@hammertime923 Aww that typical it's a honda so lets call it a ricer comment.
Godslayerify 2 months ago
@hammertime923 from 2.8 + 6cyl not 2.4 inline 4...
cmlPL 2 months ago
it was a toyota tercel dyno
shoesalesmanBundy 3 months ago
K24A4 or K24A2?
dre5491 3 months ago
trow this shit away ..am not gonna spend over 6000 dollars!! for just to get 200hp!! lol
MrLisandro55 4 months ago
your honda is fucking gay as bruno. get a real car gay fuck.
kingofthe40oz 4 months ago
That's not very good numbers for ITB's on a K24... Decent TQ number... Possibly a very conservative dyno?
dirtbikemike69 5 months ago
@dirtbikemike69
yes this was done on a mustang dyno
wilieyum 5 months ago
@wilieyum whoa a mustang dyno??? thats hella cool... :/
The91efcivic 4 months ago
@The91efcivic Do you know the difference between types of dynos? The dynojet will give you approximately 10-15% higher numbers than a mustang dyno. They're completely different machines.
gravesfiend138 4 months ago
@dirtbikemike69 218hp/4cyl no boost,is very good,this guy is telling the truth not bs like 99% of the videos on here!
hugger97z 4 months ago
O MY GOD i found a honda thats not a ricer that has nothin but wheel spin nice and smart keeping it NA
DuraMaXXDean 6 months ago
fuckin clean!!
JDMxGSRxVTEC 6 months ago
sorry to say but on stock k24 with type s head rbc manifold we did 243 with 187lbs trq something got to be wrong three
javix71887 7 months ago
@javix71887 im thinking he meant 318 or at least more than 218 lol.....otherwise ill put those ITB's to good use...
cultivationist 6 months ago
q clase de vaca mooooooooooo
umcompaq 7 months ago
i love it ( =
knuddelperle1 7 months ago
Nice
hondatrix 8 months ago
@mrcool242 if it was a engine dyno the motor would be out da car moron
antdragracer 9 months ago
this just shows how dumb honda ricers are. Who the fuck stands in front of a car on the dyno.
zugoi 10 months ago
@zugoi lol its not a honda you dumbass its a nissan
monaro34 6 months ago
@monaro34 lol I hope you're kidding
RongXanh 6 months ago
@zugoi
agreed on the stupid part being in front, but as for the term ricer. That is a reference to a vehicle that looks like its from the fast and furious. Not a reference to where it is built. In your terms of "ricer" you should call a Toyota Supra that... or Acura NSX. This civic looks stock and therefore looks more USD/JDM (Japanese Domestic Market) than "ricer" of any sort...
Stickyittoyou 5 months ago
you will never see a 218 hp car move faster
thaandiesel 10 months ago 15
@thaandiesel Too true. That thing will fly.
RedHookRusty 1 month ago
your missing some engine parts lol
2qkunrew 11 months ago
@2qkunrew
That's a clean ass wire tuck right there.
Da1RiSiN1sMoKe 11 months ago
@2qkunrew its called a wire tuck
Skunk2EJ1 8 months ago
The 2 valve design is the worst design. Why do you think Toyota stopped using it in the early 1980's? 2 big valves are heavy, thus limiting airflow and higher rpm. And again it goes both ways though. Would you prefer more valves or more cylinders. The Mercedes started using the 4 valve design and discontinued the 3 valve design in the early 2000s. Dohc is better then using one cam or the sohc(slave cam crap) because it gives the motor a wider torque band to pull those heavy Benzes.
moeschizlac 11 months ago
fucking sloooooooow rpm gain lol, oh man 218 horse lol damn, when you want to make some real power go get a v8 and put itb's on it
turbozor 1 year ago
@turbozor
You must know much about the RPM gains on a manual tranny ...he was not in 1st or 2nd... May have been in 3rd or 4th gear...RPM gain doesnt mean anything between a 4cyl, V6 or a V8. lol. Might want to learn a few things before you post again.
xP2K92x 1 year ago
@turbozor 218 horsepower, from something that has 1/2 the cylinders of a V8, and isn't on boost is actually very, very impressive?
iidanny11 1 year ago 23
@iidanny11...Honda 4 cylinders have been doing that for over a decade(more like 1990s)...lol. 218hp N/A is not even the best that honda 4 cylinder can put out.
moeschizlac 1 year ago
@iidanny11 no need to end your statement with a question mark, it was a straight fact haha all it need is a full stop at the end.
amarcus14291 6 months ago
@iidanny11 dam i want a b18c in my crX
l091805772 4 months ago
@turbozor LOL!!! what a noob you fuckin lil kid... you obviously dont know shit about cars!! cuz if u did u would know 4th gear pulls are the best for dyno runs. and this thing has a 6spd which equals short gears.. learn something before you come talking shit because you just made an ass out of yourself
vtownHduece 1 year ago
@turbozor...A inline 4 and 6 cylinders are superior to a v8. It is a better design than the v's. Why do you think they have displacement limits on them? The biggest inline 4 and 6's are 3.0L. In the 1920's there was a 7.0L inline 4, but the person that drove the car died because it was just too fast. If a 1.6L Honda makes 160hp out of 1.6L(100hp per liter) imagine what a 7.0L would do? 700hp...Corvette Ls1 would be destroyed if honda decided to do that.
moeschizlac 1 year ago
@moeschizlac a better example is rsx type s 2.0L and its 200hp which is 100hp per liter
dandim23 11 months ago
@dandim23 and that is impressive??
jhaze918 11 months ago
@jhaze918 yea actually it is pretty impressive i used 2 have a 3.1 with 160 hp imagine if it was 100hp per liter thts 310hp so yea it is pretty impessive
dandim23 11 months ago
@dandim23 yea your right....i wasnt taking into consideration that this is all motor and not boosted....non boosted 100hp per liter is pretty good
jhaze918 11 months ago
You do realize that manufacturers choose between in-line or V for reasons such as firing order, space and so forth. Technically in-line engines are LESS balanced than V engines in most cases. Example take 720 degree and divide it by the number of cylinders and that should be the degree of your V. With an in-line you don't get any natural off set and may need counter weights etc. V-10 = 72, v-8 - 90, V-60 = 120 etc. Because cylinders don't fire every rotation this is necessary.
gotmatt2 11 months ago
@gotmatt2 V's are more balanced? Would you drive a rough pushrod v8 or a smooth inline 6? Inline 6 are more smooth engines and they have better airflow and make more power better due to their straight cylinders. inline 6 don't need balance shafts like your V6 s. A inline 6 is equivalent to a v10 due to it's better . V8's don't breathe as well as inlines because of their v shaped cylinders. I guess you have never driven a BMW or the older model Lexus before.
moeschizlac 11 months ago
The cylinders aren't shaped any different-they are placed in a v rather than a line. I've never heard in-lines automatically breathes better. All V8s aren't pushrod, but I don't think they're that bad-do you think ferrari or the M3 v8s are rough running? As for 2 valve being the worst, this is true for RPM potential, but it has its pluses as well. In a bigger V8 you don't need RPM, you supplement with torque. I.E. the ls3 makes like 300ft/lbs at 1000 rpm and never goes below it.
gotmatt2 11 months ago
@gotmatt2
Hahahah, you are joking?? LS3 produce 430 ft/Ibs @ 5200 rpm, so it can't make 300 ft/Ibs at 1000rpm, that's impossible for 6.2 liter engine even in diesel variant. You can be happy with 150 ft/Ibs at 1000rpm. Still 150 ft/lbs is standard for 2 liter engines. ALL MOTOR extracting 85-100 ft/lbs per liter from K24 and K26 Honda engines.
2jzgtejza80 4 months ago
Hp per liter means nothing-put a bike engine in your car the make way more than 100 hp per liter but will it be faster? Get a clue. Also, the ls3 DOES make roughly 300ft/lbs at 1000 RPM, you don't know what you're talking about. Go to gmperformanceparts website, click on build it, click on LS and then LS3 (the 430 hp not the cammed 480 or 515). Then click the dyno chart to see the stock ls3 crate engine for the C6 Corvette and its dyno chart. This is straight from GM.
gotmatt2 4 months ago
@gotmatt2
Bike engined cars are acceptable only if cars weights under 2200Ibs or less. Yes, my mistake dyno chart from GM claimed linear torque from 1000 rpm to 2500, you are right, i was looking wrong line. LS3 is really great engine, better than anything before. K20 in average get 150ft/lbs (142-160), K20 2.2 Mugen get 175.
almost all K24 gets 160 at least up to 170, which is very good for such a small engines. Aftermarket K20A 12,5:1 comp running 245-250bhp, and 175tq.
2jzgtejza80 4 months ago
Never said they weren't good engines, wasn't my point. Just that high specific output isn't the only way to make a car fast or an engine good. That was also my point in bringing up the bike engine, and even in a 2000 lbs car the bike engine would be stressed under everyday driving. Yeah, I would be fast once it hit its power band, but you don't drive that way on the roads.
gotmatt2 4 months ago
And finally....the K20 makes barely 70 ft/lbs per liter and the k24 from the tsx makes around 71. Where the hell did you get 85 - 100 per liter? And the K26 is a stroked k24, the nature of stroked engines is more torque and that also means it isn't stock. So you can't compare that against a stock ls3, if you stroke the ls3 for torque it would be unbelievable -ever hear of a 383? BTW 140 is standard on the 2.0 k-series you exaggerating putz.
gotmatt2 4 months ago
@gotmatt2
K24/K20 built by All Motor extracting almost 330bhp and 220tq @ 13:1, while on 14:1 gets 350bhp and 240tq. Same story is with 13:1 K26/K20, 365bhp/ 255tq, on 14:1 gets flat 400bhp/ 260+ tq. Go to ALL MOTOR page.BTW, Do you ever heard for 712CI since I'm standing by something like that?? 383CI looks like joke behind that. have a nice day.
2jzgtejza80 4 months ago
712? The point I was getting at clueless is that you can stroke any engine and it will make more torque and the most common chevy small block stroked is the 383. The 712 is a big block what was your point? And there are 800-1000 hp NA small blocks but so what, it's cheaper and less time draining just to boost. And you are again bringing up motors that are far from stock especially with 13 or 14 to 1 compression. Wake up...have a nice day
gotmatt2 4 months ago
@gotmatt2
Well NASCAR V8's are close to your numbers if we talking about SB's. I saw SBC 427 running 850-900 bhp at 8200 rpm and 11,5:1 .Mr. Nelson knows how to built proper race engine ;-)
2jzgtejza80 4 months ago
Yeah, if you look at the Ultima GTR you can buy the ls7 through them making 800hp NA. Not exactly the most streetable and that's why I suggest a small blower-centrifugal so it doesn't make too much TQ.
gotmatt2 4 months ago
@gotmatt2
LS7 is great engine, in 3500Ibs car far from fuel efficient. T56 /Termec 6060 makes LS7 high economy
2jzgtejza80 4 months ago
The pontiac G8 GXP comes with an ls3, weighs 4000lbs and with an automatic returned 18 mpg average when tested by Road and Track. The C63 making about 35 more hp, but weighing about 100 lbs less, returned 15 mpg while tested by Road and Track. The G8 didn't have the 6-speeds highway gear and still returned those numbers. The LS7 isn't used in any other car so I can't compare, but it returned an average of 17.5 in the z06 and the SLS AMG returned 10.8. No exotic matches the z06's fuel efficiency
gotmatt2 4 months ago
That said, the huge highway numbers come from the tall sixth gear in the manual. However, if they came with 8-speed autos it would be an even bigger number. The new autos are pretty damn impressive, especially when equipped with dual clutches, they can speed acceleration and boost mpg. As hard as it is for me to accept, at some time I will be forced to give up the manual.
gotmatt2 4 months ago
@gotmatt2
Well i'm not fun od automatics at all. T56/t6060 is best manual transs ever made by BW
2jzgtejza80 4 months ago
@gotmatt2
I don't know where did you find those numbers, but C63 and SLS AMG gains 50-100 hp more from their engines. C63 in Europe have at least 510bhp up to 560bhp, and average 18 mpg, while SLS 15 mpg average.
C63-(510-560)-18mpg, Pontiac G8 GPX is lighter ,430 bhp and gains same mpg. SLS AMG 560-630 bhp and gains 15 mpg avg. All these numbers are test from Car and Driver and ADAC.
2jzgtejza80 4 months ago
I got those numbers from road and track magazine-September 2010. The C63 makes 451hp here from a 6.2 v8 and weighs 3900lbs. The GXP makes makes 415hp and weighs 4000lbs. That makes the GXP lighter but 35 less hp. However, when tested by the magazine it returned 17.8 average mpg while the AMG returned 15.1. The Car and Driver i'm looking at says the EPA for the C63(2007) is 12city/19highway and the 2010 is 14/20 (451-81hp), the E63(09) is 13/20. Whereas the Camaro SS is 16/24.
gotmatt2 4 months ago
@gotmatt2
Still, but why Americans always gets worst type of EU cars??
2jzgtejza80 4 months ago
Don't know, perhaps because they are still so much more expensive here than many other cars. Also, we don't share european love for diesels, so a lot of them aren't imported and the other manufacturers don't make the crash requirements. There is very little market for the mirco car and people that do buy european cars do so for the name and the perceived prestige. Basically "look what I can afford" is the reason we buy BMW, Mercedes Benz and Audi as daily drivers. And they're very nice cars
gotmatt2 4 months ago
@gotmatt2
Well here in EU BMW 320d is cheap and very economic ride, same as Audi A4.
2jzgtejza80 4 months ago
We can't even get the 320D, we get the 335D and it starts at more than $44000. As for the A4 the base 2.0T will cost between $33-45000 depending on FWD/AWD and transmission. So they are still fairly expensive when you compare them to what you can get for that money. It's sad they are a status symbol instead of a good car everyday working people can buy.
gotmatt2 4 months ago
@gotmatt2
Well same problem is with Chevy and Ford in EU. Only good thing that EU gets from dealerships are ZO6, ZR1, SS, Stang GT. Else is not worth money.
2jzgtejza80 4 months ago
The questions is more about would you want the rest?
gotmatt2 4 months ago
@gotmatt2
If you want real test try compare LSx series against AMG V8's.
2jzgtejza80 4 months ago
AMG v8s are nice nut they aren't that great. Honestly, it boils done to your goals and what kind of money you want to put out. The LS series engines get great fuel economy and make amazing power. Hell for 7k you can get a 515 hp crate ls3 from GM and with a cam and ecu mod the ls7 will make over 600. Not hating on AMG just the engines are very expensive. Chevy doesn't put the 515hp ls3 in the base vette because it's overkill, would cannibalize z06 sales, and would reduce gas mileage.
gotmatt2 4 months ago
@gotmatt2
Well AMG engine are very efficient, if we look, they pull heavy ass AMG's. a 4000Ibs AMG with 5.5 V8 twinturbo C63 get average 24mpg. That's what I call efficient. Old 6.2 was getting 20mpg average.
AMG engines are expensive because using high tech technology. Last time I checked about used engines here in EU, I found pretty cheap engines. Well, LS3 is cheap in US, but not here in EU. Chevy dealership claimed 15,000 $ for brand new LS3 (turn on key), and almost 22,000 for LS7.
2jzgtejza80 4 months ago
Shit if I were you I'd buy and ship them (ls3/7) from here, you'd make a killing. The 6.2, AMG, is rated here at 13 city 19 highway from the EPA-while heavy, it still only makes like 451 or 480ish hp depending on the year. The CTS-V gets 14 city and 19 highway while being a even bigger car and making 556hp with a supercharged LS. I have never seen 24 mpg figures posted for the 5.5, are your referencing the imperial gallon or U.S.? Anyway, the C63 AMG is a beautiful and quick luxury sedan
gotmatt2 4 months ago
@gotmatt2
Old C63(6.2, 510bhp) according to ADAC (Germany), converted to US units, gets 14mpg city / 20 mpg highway (based on 60% city - 40 % highway). Newer 5.5 in CLK/CLS/S/CL/C have 5.5 V8 twin turbo 540bhp have 15mpg city / 23mpg highway. Since they are 5000Ibs cars that's fantastic. Cadillac CTS-V according to ADAC gets, 13mpg/20mpg. LS3 in Camaro SS gets 15/23, and LS7 in ZO6 15/24. Zo6 is much lighter than SS. Also good fuel economy gets Panamera 15mpg/22mpg, Audi A8 6.3 w12 gets 13/22.
2jzgtejza80 4 months ago
The newer cars do a lot better because of the 7-8 speed transmission as much as the engine efficiency. But when you look at cars from 10 years ago the heavy cars now get higher mpg and are better performing. I am unfamiliar with ADAC, over here we use EPA, but I'm sure they are pretty similar.
gotmatt2 4 months ago
@gotmatt2
Even heavy ass Nissan GTR gets 15/22mpg, while LFA very bad, like 11/18 (since is not made for economy)
2jzgtejza80 4 months ago
I agree in-line sixes are smoother than v6s, you can think of a v6 as to inline three, and inline threes are horribly unbalanced. But I6s cranks do need countershafts/balanceshafts to quell vibration (because the crankshaft is longer) However, v8s are actually quite balanced. They also have lower centers of gravity and are more compact. V8s and V12s are like in-line 4s and in-line 6s put together in a v. True, the less friction the more power, but that doesn't mean it needs to be in-line.
gotmatt2 11 months ago
Also, if in-line was so superior why does honda use V-6s? BTW, technically the smaller your reciprocating parts are the better. i.e. a 3 liter v8s piston would weigh less than a 3 liter v6 and the valves would be smaller etc, these things allow a higher RPM. Chevy uses 2 values not 4 per cylinder, and one cam controlling everything, this limits it RPM-bigger parts. However, 100 hp/ltr ls1s are not hard to produce. Google Ultima GTR they sell a 7.0 ltr z06 engine with over 700hp.
gotmatt2 11 months ago
And to counter your argument about about "why are all 4cyl in-line." They're not. Boxer or flat engines have horizontally opposed cylinders. Also, 720/4 is 180. So, 4 cylinder engines must be inline of boxer to remain balanced. Because cylinders fire every 180 deg of crankshaft rotation this is necessary in four cylinders so the crank can make complete rotations. With more cylinders you have more options. Lastly, There are plenty of examples where v8s make over 100hp/ltr-ferrari 458=125
gotmatt2 11 months ago
what would happen if a bug gets sucked in the itb?
Jozan808 1 year ago 2
@Jozan808 then it would die. Either be melted or spat out the exaust
xenx619 1 year ago
218hp at wheel?
pedroalextiago 1 year ago
what tranny did you use
Kayla557 1 year ago
Sexy as FVCK
zbabar3000 1 year ago
got a question if you are in california I heard that K20 are allowed if no modifications are made just wondering cause, in some forums I read that the honda K-series aren't allowed can anyone answer this question?
tsiets 1 year ago
i just found out CRVs come with K24's!! if i ever decided to swap one, im lookin for a totaled crv lol
8thcivicownr 1 year ago
@8thcivicownr yep that is true, u can also go on ebay and just look for the block. it's not the same k24 however. u might wanna swap the head off a k20.
k24boy123 1 year ago
engine bay looks sweeeeet
johngorgis 1 year ago 2
Really nice K series motor i wish i had the money to build one!
PEREZCHOOCH 1 year ago
which one is most powerful k24 or k20?
loscangris067 1 year ago
@loscangris067 i think it was the K20a
thepainbob666 1 year ago
@thepainbob666 its a k20 k24 (k24 block with k20 head)
jasonwinback 1 year ago
yea i herd that them carbs are hard to tune
babyzachariot 1 year ago
waste of sperm
solo221 1 year ago
Wow , u must have a really bad tune.. My friends Type S made 204hp with just intake and exhaust... Still cool ITB's
96jdmek2dr 1 year ago
WOW, a honda that doesn't sound ricey, good vid :)sounds good dude.
mmmurmomspie 1 year ago
nice wire tuck. looks like the engine just sitting in there.
stunt509 1 year ago 2
put filters on those itb's.. u might just suck someone in there..
BloodyFingerz 1 year ago
I prefer the old skool VTEC. The crossover is so much noticeable. makes me cum everytime
1PARADOXXX 1 year ago 2
@1PARADOXXX I may be wrong, but i believe the k24 is not a vtec engine, unless you add a k20 head.
pdgeman 1 year ago
@pdgeman 2.4l K24 is a Vtec engine, ive got 1
Hooning4Life 1 year ago
@pdgeman pretty much EVERY engine honda has built the last ten years has had some level of vtec on it. the question is is it the power vtec or the econ vtec?
snoopyloopy 1 year ago
@snoopyloopy the b18b1 in my civic doesn't have vtec.....
pdgeman 1 year ago
@pdgeman b18b1 is old motor from the 90s, bro. i said last 10 years.
snoopyloopy 1 year ago
@snoopyloopy o rlly? first one was built in 1994 and they lasted until at least 99-00. You're thinking b18a1.
pdgeman 1 year ago
@pdgeman 1994 sounds like it was smack dab in the middle of the 90s to me.
snoopyloopy 1 year ago
@pdgeman the k24a2 from the TSX has the same 3 lobe VTEC as the k20a2, k20z1, k20z3 and k20a motors, and also comes with 200 crank hp like those k20's. the k24a1, k24a4, k24a8 motors from accord, CRV, or Element have Vtec on 1 cam. basically an economy VTEC which the k20a3 from the 02-05 civic Si has also.
joescivic 1 year ago
@1PARADOXXX glad you get your jollies off from valve lift
cletedawgthewalmart 1 year ago
wow! I could eat my food on that K24!
So clean! Good Job!!
PS. I love Honda!!! :)
xenoo4life 1 year ago
i have a k24 with i/h/e. can u install itb's on it/ do u need anything else to make it run?
kirbysmells 1 year ago
The tune is definitely not the best. That should be producing more power than that. I know so because I have two k24's sitting in my garage! Also, with the k-series with a good tune the vtec crossover should be a lot smoother than that. I know with ITB's the sound is louder so maybe thats the case here but crossover if done correctly is barely noticeable. Nice setup though. Bet she screams!
zzfunk13 1 year ago
Sick ITB's....And I knew you could pack a K24 in an eg! Sick setup tho.
afninjax 2 years ago
no doubt sick set-up. itb would help with the no TQ honda's have. nice work tho
VcottntailW 1 year ago
That motor seems like it struggling to get some power to the wheels.
egn83b 2 years ago
@egn83b you are correct. lack of tune. i guess its untune. same with my motor.
BlueRice 1 year ago
damn, what was that like a 5-6 gear pull? hah. sexayyy!
da9tegboy 2 years ago
that shit looks sick packed in there
AzDA6 2 years ago
LOL you could've made more power with an rbc.
d00mofhumanity 2 years ago
luv the vtec kick....
SenzeTKmotors 2 years ago
FAKLAD.
tkelly27 2 years ago
0:23sec vtec starts !
stresser87 2 years ago
Isn't tht davids car
you449 2 years ago
Beautiful!! More video!!!
vtec526 2 years ago
did ever american muscle cars took out 100/hp /litre non modded and n/a. ?? they re large and heavy for nothing just to waste fuel and have poor handling except you put some big grands on suspention mods brakes etc etc ,, i will be more proud racing my little 1.8 teg in a circuit beating higher scale cars rather than having a high capacity 8 cylinder engine large and heavy struggling to keep with small every day use economy cars ,that s my opinion :)
blindun 2 years ago
i dont need to buy my shit i get it 4 free
Turbojdmk24 2 years ago
come race my lil honda lets race for money come to miami
Turbojdmk24 2 years ago
so did u pay almost 2k for that intake lol wish i had it on mine
DrNicca809 2 years ago
all that kid has vids of is his crappy techno music. wat a joke seriously disable ur account an die
levee000 2 years ago
bitch i got my restoration vid up
stfu faggot
i play more shows with my music than youll get pussy in your life
so eat your boyfriends dick
MPRdrummer 2 years ago
i heard the 2 stage vtecs like the GSR butterfly vtec
cherzongyang 2 years ago
id be hella cared if i saw that in my rear view mirror of my chevlle with my 572cbi chevy crate engine
fuck i know id hella loose that race hahaha NOT
that thing runs a 1/4 mile in prolly what 20 seconds??
i run 1/4 miles in 7.2 seconds
keep up with us big guys in the muscle cars if you wanna talk like ur imports are fast
MPRdrummer 2 years ago
Who cares LOL
You would probably run a 1:30 around Lime Rock Park and that Honda with a balanced setup would probably run a 1:05. Drag Racing is stupid.
NickM205 2 years ago
circuit racing is stupid
do you not like punching the engine and getting up to 180mph??
not to mention when i rebuilt my chevelle i had to put a new suspension on it to handle the huge engine and power
so i can take turns like nothing
and i know the power of my car when i take turns
MPRdrummer 2 years ago
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Just because you put new suspension on your chevy you think it can handle!? If you knew your ass from your elbow you would know that a car set up for drag CAN'T turn for shit. Let's see a car with drag slicks and a solid rear axle take turns. You easily don't have the car you say you do.
IAmTheRealAsif 2 years ago
actually your wrong
if you know anything about suspension
a drag suspension can be tuned into different ways
you can have it so that its not as firm as a rock or you can tune it to make it sway around corners
dude i might be 18 but i sure as hell know what im talking about
MPRdrummer 2 years ago
why are you on the interenet watching honda vids. You probaly dont even own a fucking car you retard. Get a life, people like what they like. why do all you stupid rednecks give a shit anyway.
hondaawhat 2 years ago
whats the matter afraid that my car is faster than your pile of shit???
redneck??
im a rich whiteboy with scottish and french roots lol
im not redneck dumbfuck
and my car is a pretty chevelle that is fast and full of torque
why would i lie about owing a chevelle dumbass
i know all this info about it but apparently to you im lying hahah stfu your retarded
MPRdrummer 2 years ago
make a vid of it.....
donovan772 2 years ago
if you're a rich person, you have a digital camera..make a video of the car or shut the fuck up and quit talking shit, it's not imports fault that they cost half as much to upgrade and produce the same numbers ;) don't need to get all pissy about it
greeleykid 2 years ago
dude your gay as fuck n you smell like rotten squid shit
HeneryBaule 2 years ago
you dont have a 7.2 chevelle
so FUCK off
Thatonepersonz 2 years ago
bitch you dont even know me
i have a 721ci stupid ass
why the fuck would i lie about it
MPRdrummer 2 years ago
because you look like your 12 and lie about you age ;) so shut it tough guy
Ithrow87 2 years ago
im actually 18 those videos are from about 3 years ago n i decided to post them up last summer to send to my ex band mates
so yeah im not lying about my age
thats retarded im not that immature
so fuck off
MPRdrummer 2 years ago
18 and you have a chevelle with a 721? Who bought you that? You probaly ride the short bus...built not bought.
So just answer this: If you hate honda/imports why the fuck are you watching the vids?
hondaawhat 2 years ago
actually its a 572ci i mistyped it on a comment
idk how but i did
n yes im 18 and i work for my shit
my dad had the chevelle in the backyard and he helped me rebuild it
the engine was beyond saving becasue it had cracks in the block and parts were gone that it would have been cheaper to just buy a new engine
so thats answers ur question
MPRdrummer 2 years ago
You are a dipshit. If you have a fast american car set up for drag....It will NOT turn.
You have no idea what you are talking about. You must have a lot of time on your hands to be in a band, have a girlfriend, and build an imaginary muscle car, then at the end of the day come talk shit on honda videos.
You know nothing about cars, because it is only the dumb ass people that go and start shit for no reason. Have a nice day, faggot.
IAmTheRealAsif 2 years ago
your fuckin stupid as fuck
you can set up drag suspension for totally different things it all depends on the type of coil overs A arms and mono tube shocks you go in it
my car is real i dont care what you think your a doumbass who obviously thinks honda is the best in which in reality its not
so you can go suck yourself nigger lover
MPRdrummer 2 years ago
Hey mr.cool guy, why are you on honda videos if they are so gay?
IAmTheRealAsif 2 years ago
because they are funny how gay they are
MPRdrummer 2 years ago
Good one....
IAmTheRealAsif 2 years ago
lol i would love to see a big ass muscle car trying to chase anything on a circuit track. Also I'm willing to bet your lily white ass wouldn't call anyone a nigger or nigger lover in person, you fuckin inbred redneck.
SANSOOSON 2 years ago
seeing on how im french and scottish im not redneck
and muscle cars are excellent on circuit tracks if you know how to control them
hondas have traction control 1970's cars dont have that
its all in the coordination dude
honestly i havent accquired it yet but ive seen dodge challengers race in a classics race with ferarris and lambos from the 70's
MPRdrummer 2 years ago
seeing as how i dont give a fuck your still a redneck and your still an inbred. muscles cars are a piece of shit like every other american car. power to weight ratio ever heard of that youngster? its not just about raw power its how well balanced a car is. Don't try to challenge me you'll end up hurting yourself.
SANSOOSON 2 years ago
no fuckign shit
but you still need a large engine if you got a heavy gauged set up in your rear differential
but since these shitty imports are trans axles theres really no pint in even discussing low end torque
american muscle actually proved itself
american msucle runs the roads everyday still honda and other imports hardly even have cars from the 70's that are even on the road
so to average joe stand point american cars must be doing pretty good if they still are running strong
MPRdrummer 2 years ago
Really? Nissan 370z, 350z, 300zx, 280z. Skyline gtst and KPGC Gtr(72') Toyota Mk2, 3 and 4 supra, ae86 corolla, Honda S2000, S600, All of which are non transaxles which means what? RWD . Ford, GM, Crhysler have just as many transaxle equiped cars if not more. I would love to see a "muscle car" Put down 800-1000hp on a stock bottom end and be driven everyday. And if imports are so gay why in the fuck are you watching a HONDA video??? Ass backwards? Indeed...
SANSOOSON 2 years ago
these vidoes make me laugh
american cars focus just like japan
make a fuel econimc safe car
thats the only reason why they use the transalxe becasue smaller cars is better mpg
thus japan may try to compete in racing but no other country has ever developed the technology back in the day like america did for serious hp and torque
my neighbor drives an amc gremlin with a blown chevy 454
his cars dynos out at 895hp
guess what he drives to the bay everyday
with that car
MPRdrummer 2 years ago
Did you read what I wrote? ON A STOCKKKKK BOTTOM END. And its fuel efficient not "fuel econonomic" Transaxles have almost nothing to do with fuel efficiency. Lamborghini, Ferrari, Koenigsegg, Honda/Acura NSX, Audi all use transaxels because the midengine cars not "Green Cars" son. Quite the contrary. Learn your facts and since you LOVE american muscle so much at very least learn how to speak Proper english
SANSOOSON 2 years ago
are you kidding me???
the onlt reason why tansaxles are made is becuase they are simple and contribute to fuel econimic issues
notice i said economic
it goes either wya dumbass
anyways transaxles work with with rear mounted front mounted or mid engine cars
MPRdrummer 2 years ago
Damn son your like uh politician you cant answer one question. You said all imports had transaxels. They dont. You said there's point in discussing in torque. Subarus and Evo have you guessed it transaxles and create a good amount of low end torque. Now if you had a idea you should have said cost effective. How many American cars(With the exception of heavily modded ACR Viper) broke a record at Nurburgring? Your arguement if you can call it that is extremly poor and holds no weight.
SANSOOSON 2 years ago
actually mitsubishi and subarus have horrible low end torque
do research and youll find that 1970's american muscle have the most torque in the car world
why do you think that dodge challengers go for 130,000 and up
because they are one of the strongest muscle cars that were built
they had serious technology from the 70's in them
such as shaker hoods
know why that was made??
the huge amount of torque from the 440 six packs actually ripped the engine off the engine mounts
MPRdrummer 2 years ago
Kid, give it a rest please. Your muscles cars are good in one aspect of motorsports and one aspect only...Straight line. Can they do a circuit? Sure but they will get raped by any lighter car and or car with AWD it's a fact. Second you need a incredible amount of torque when the car weighs as much a damn tank. Serious technology for the 70's??? Kid they had serious power not technology. Were on OBDIII now man. Do your research I went to school and got 5 of my ASE's lil guy.
SANSOOSON 2 years ago
okay well im a freshman at san luis obispo for college and i major in architectual design
so im not a kid at all im 18
and actually muscle cars had much technology
such as the torque convereter
the the fiberglass hood
pistol grip 4 speeds
more responsive carbs
air intake such as the corvettes air box was a new invention
they weighed so much becasue the power of the engine would make the backend tweak and turn fully floored
american design process wouldnt make it heavy for nothin
MPRdrummer 2 years ago
hahaha pistol grip?
fiberglass hood?
haha those are pretty irrelevant man.
taylorromeo 2 years ago
they made it heavy becuase it was pretty much a block of steel with a hemi and wheels
bigballa97 2 years ago
now i have ridden in a STOCK six pack AAR cuda. holyyyyy shit that car was fast.
taylorromeo 2 years ago