A Ranger finds the snake, plays with the snake, then eats it. Force Recon follows the snake and gets lost. Navy SEAL expends all ammunition, several grenades and calls for naval gunfire in a failed attempt to kill the snake. Snake bites the SEAL then retreats to safety. AF PJ wounds the snake in first encounter then feverishly works to save the snake's life. Army SF makes contact with the snake, builds rapport, wins its heart and mind and trains it to kill other snakes.
anyone in the ramstein area aspiring to become a pj and will do whatever it takes should look me up on global so we can work out to a goal i'm sure will be LIFE REWARDING. can't think of doing anything else in my life but this! - Just a humble SrA. reach me at tuifua.akau@ramstein.af.mil
@mikeylikesit2675 Not a groupie. Currently a 19 year old D1 football player starting his FR(R.S) season that has wanted to be a SEAL since he was 14. In case you didn't know, that was before the Bin Laden raid and Alabama Maersk. My mom lives in Coronado (coincidentally, she moved there when I was 14). I'm not misinformed. I've talked to former SEALs, read bookS (emphasis on the S), talked to the NAVSPECWAR recruiter in my area, follow SR Chief Don Shipley, etc. I know what I'm saying.
@10oner While I'm looking into the SEALs once I finish up college, I researched the PJs a bit before deciding my path. PJ training is EXTREMELY difficult mentally and physically as not only are they commandos, but also battlefield medics. They get shot at more than infantry because they often go behind enemy lines to rescue downed airmen.Once you get past Indoc (9 weeks) you're golden, but Indoc is hard as hell, even with there only being a "Hell Day" as opposed to the SEAL Hell Week.
There are never enought characters alloted to make a complete point so I will have to make do with just one.
Comparing PJs to SEALs and Rangers is pointless not only because they serve different purposes but because they work and traing together. For example, one of the schools in the PJ pipeling is Army Combat Dive school where you train with Rangers/Green Barrets. If that schools is full you can go to the Navy dive school where you train with SEALs.
I am aiming to do this and this video just inspires me more to train myself harder and be the best that I can be so I can go out there and save our soldier's lives. Wish me luck on my transition from some nobody to hopefully becoming one of the elites.
@brutalray1992 HUA means Heard Understood Acknowledged. Every single branch uses it. When your Commander, First Sgt, etc. gives a command you say HUA to let them know you've got it.
and however you spell it, it is pronounced pretty much the same
hell im only 12 but i have been looking at the military and airforce websites since i was 8 i know this is what i want to do. Great job with the video btw its awesome
Son was going to try to get into PJ but he has an eye condition called kerataconus. I looked up the DOD reg for military service and it specifically says if you have it to any degree you can't join. Even if you have it corrected...doesn't matter. I am very sad for him. He was working out so hard.
@DwAustinator52 officers can't be PJs they can be CROs though. (COmbat Rescue Officers) they pretty much go through the same training except CROs go through officer training instead of BMT and apprentice course.
@ronin2167 best answer yet. thanks. it galls me to read some of the ignorance here. on a side note, your name is very nice. the movie is one of my all-time favorites.
most intense training? all operators are good at what they do and all train to take a life . only One ALSO trains to save them. i guess one may be able to figure out where the most intensive training is required.
It's apples and oranges really, they have different mission objectives and thus have different training. Indoc and BUD/s are both designed to push someone to their limits mentally and physically, and both programs succeed in weeding out the lesser candidates.
Although it is worth saying that after the 2 and a half years or so of training to officially be a PJ, you still have to go through 18 months of on the job training before you can be sent out on a mission. SEALs don't have that.
@ifwere1021 New appointed SEALs have to go through 18+ months of on the job training before being deployed. All Special Ops have to train before they get deployed. Don't talk non-sense if you don't know what you are talking about. BUD/s is the most physically demanding lower tier special ops school, nothing comes close. Period.
Yes, but they don't have 18 months OJT in addition to the 2.5 to 3 years classroom type training. It takes about 2 to 3 years before a SEAL will potentially see a mission, it takes that much time before a PJ will even start his 18 months OJT. Sorry if you misunderstood me.
And as for "nothing coming close" to BUD/s, don't be silly, PJ's SEAL/s and Rangers go through just about the same thing during Indoc. After that Rangers receive less water training than the other two but it's still similar.
@S0uthBronX no they do not,,,, i want to be a pk myself but navy seals have the most intense training in the world then the spetsnaz and in third place is pj's
@awsomeash12 yeah,they do.the only thing third place is your information.ive said this before- all operators are good at what they do and all are trained to Take a life.ONLY ONE operator is ALSO trained to SAVE a life.one Should be able to determine where the most intense training is required.Please, give it a rest.
@S0uthBronX lol dude theses guys are 911 for seals = badass training man lol i love it though when you have little kids saying seals is hardest lol epic ^^
@FreeRideAddikt S.E.A.L/s dont have back up there is no 911 for any specops unit for that case and matter thats why you dont fuck up in the first place, plus even if there was a hot extraction zone they would send SWCC our brothers to come lay down some firing lanes, im not insulting you or PJ, PJ are just as badass but different mission specialties. So please reframe from declaring any SpecOps group better then an other. We're all a bunch a bad mofos kicking the same enemies asses.
@osok312 i never tsaid that they were the best its jut that their training is hell'a'harder than the SeALs but dude but as you said different specialities...and plz i want to become a SeAL its just that i have mad respect for theses guys. :) but i still prefer the SeALs ( one of my favs :)
@FreeRideAddikt False, SEAL training is "The Hardest Military Training In The World." Respect is due to the PJs, Green Berets, Rangers, etc, but there's no comparison. It's not enough to pass the PST, you have to SMASH the minimums to get a contract. Then there's BUD/S Prep for 10 weeks, Indoc for 5 weeks, BUD/S for 6 MONTHS (the big difference, Hell Week, is ONLY FOUND IN SEAL TRAINING!!!), Jump School for 3 weeks, SQT for 18 weaks, then job training for 6 more months. Ppl drop bythe wayside
@47lilwill SEALs have never failed PJ Training simply because they don't go through PJ Training, because they are NOT PJs. They crosstrain together, but SEALs don't go through the PJ training pipeline, just like PJs don't go through the SEAL pipeline. There's a big line in the sand between Navy and Air Force, but you knew that, right??? I have no doubts in my mind that many a PJ would ring the bell in Hell Week, none at all. There's a reason Obama sends DevGru to get shit done. End of story.
@47lilwill hahahahahahahahahahaha i just watched surviving the cut about PJs. they have "extended training day, 21 hours of Hell." congrats, PJ hellweek is one sixth as long and difficult as Hell Week. Try 6 day on less than 4 hours of sleep where you run over 250 miles, among other fun activities 24/7 from sunday to saturday. The Navy SEALs. HOOYAH!!!
@reddog418 Search "hell week run 250 miles" on google. 2nd link. Youtube won't let me post the link for some reason. Read the 6th paragraph champ! And in the Discovery documentary on BUD/S Class 234 they claim the real number is 250 miles. You forget they're constantly moving 20 hrs a day with meals every 6 hours for 6 days straight on less the 4 hours of sleep for the entire week! Extended Training Day? Lol, try Extended Training WEEK my little PJ wannabe friend ;) SEALs > PJs lol
@seancul55 I love how everyone always adds to the real number. It says 200, Tiger. You just added 25% to the distance. Let me guess, the run with glass in their shoes while fending off a pack of wild, bloodthristy hyenas with only a toothbrush. Then, after they've killed the hyenas, they must walk on their hands through a tar pit with tar pit sharks trying to kill them. Get fucking real. Every number that comes from the military is bloated. Does it feel like 250 miles, probably. But it's not.
@reddog418 That's one source that puts it at 200 miles (still insane!), but if you kept reading my comment you'd see that if you watch the BUD/S 234 documentary by Discovery that the real number is around 250. I know for a fact that people on youtube uploaded it, so if you want to educate yourself don't let me stop you! Compare to Surviving the Cut with the PJs, lol. Extended Training Day? Lololol. And the 250 miles comes from Discovery, who were there EVERY DAY FOR SIX MONTHS. Get real bro
@seancul55 there is also a documentary by Discover about PJ/CCT indoc (although the indocs are now separated) where a SEAL scraped through and said it was much harder than BUD/S. it is also something to consider that the attrition rate for the pj indoc is the highest of the sf community, or the fact that there are currently thousands of seals operating, and only a few hundred pj's. or the fact that the pipeline for PJs is longer, or the fact that Pjs have saved a few frog asses more than once
@mikeylikesit2675 So much to argue with here, sorry if I draw on. First, I also saw Surviving the Cut: PJ, by Discovery. Nowhere in the entire documentary is there a former SEAL, let alone one claiming PJ indoc is tougher than BUD/S. Nice fact fabrication. ALL of PJ training (including, not just Indoc) has a 90% attrition rate. BUD/S is at 80%, but that doesn't count NSW Prep (10 weeks) and BUD/S Indoc (often 200 show up, and 110 move to First Phase of BUD/S). All of SEAL training is well..
@seancul55 the documentary was older than STC. and its here on YT. It was in a series by Discovery called forbidden places. maybe a hundred candidates show up to the pj indoc and five or six will actually end up on a team. the starting product has to be considered, which is why MARSOC is probably physically the most strenuous, when you take into consideration the basic pft requirements of all services, the marine corps is by far the most demanding. although most pj/cct/SF are prior service.
@mikeylikesit2675 over 90% attrition. Numbers can be deceiving. SEAL candidates also fail out in SQT, jump school, and the probation period before joining their Teams after BUD/S. Fact is, 90% of PJ candidates fail throughout training, and OVER 90% fail SEAL training. And as of now there are ONLY 2000 SEALs, not thousands and thousands of them as you claim. There's currently 3 times as many Green Berets, and DEVGRU (ST6) is only 150 operators deep. There are no #s available on PJs active...
@seancul55 there are about 300 active pj's at last count, and there are alot of SF bc their place in the toolbox is absolutely indispensable, they are doing the heavy lifting in afghanistan, and have been since the start. the Seals are used in FID bc there simply arent enough oda's to go around. so seals swim, jump and shoot, well guess what? so does everybody else in the community, BUD/S has a high attrition rate bc the starting product requires alot of work, same with pj's.
@mikeylikesit2675 so we cannot know if there are more SEALs than PJs. However, it would make sense that there would be less PJs considering how skill-specific there missions are. The AF is primarily involved in the Air Wing, not Search and Rescue. Therefore, PJs don't need numbers. This isn't an indicator of "elite-ness." There are likely more SEALs because it's necessary for them to cover all of their missions anywhere in the world. Fact is, their classes are huge, but the success RATIO..
@mikeylikesit2675 is still lower than that of PJs. FINALLY, the PJ pipeline actually might be shorter. SEAL candidates must suffer through 2 years+ of grueling training before being deemed deployable. And of course PJs have saved SEALs.. that's their job. They are combat medics. Their job is to save a downed man. You've made a terrible point there, because who covers the PJ's ass while they save the Team guy's life with lethal fire? His Teammates, the SEALs. Read SEAL Team 6 by Howard...
@seancul55 So if you want to argue the most physically fit, and most deadly, the seals dont win that argument either, every marine has met a higher standard than 90% of the rest of the military, so its not a big leap to assume MARSOC has a plethora of really really bad guys. but they dont have the political clout of the seals or SF, so they dont get recognition, but im sure thats the way they like it. The Marine Corps quietly carries more than its weight, and is happy to do so.
@mikeylikesit2675 I'm sorry but there's no hard facts in anything you've just said, or any sources. I'm afraid you've wasted your time typing. Read the section of SEAL Team Six by Howard Wasdin on Mogadishu. He hung out with, worked out with, shot with, and fought with the CCTs and PJs. He said they were good operators and VERY useful for their unique skills, but they were NOT nearly as capable as the SEALs and D-boys in a gun fight, and were not in quite the same physical shape.
@mikeylikesit2675 Nope, I've read many books. Not a Good Day to Die by Sean Naylor, Lone Survivor by Marcus Luttrell, etc etc I could go on. Fact is that you're talking based on an OPINION with ZERO EXPERIENCE as an OPERATOR. An ex-Tier 1 SEAL Operator with a Silver Star (3rd highest honor our nation has, btw) says that the PJs/CCTs were great guys, and very good operators. HOWEVER, they were NOT in as good of physical shape, and were not as good in a firefight. Just read that one section.
@mikeylikesit2675 Fact remains, the only organizations that have a Tier 1 force are the SEALs (DEVGRU/ST6), and Army SF (Delta/CAG, however VERY FEW Marines are in Delta). And FALSE. Not any member of the "toolbox" (wtf?!) can do what the SEALs do, because the SEALs if you ask anybody in any SOF they will tell you SEALs are the most flexible unit in the world. Sea, Air, Land. And yes other SOFs train in the water, but not even close to the way SEALs do. In fact, they can do anyone ELSE's job
@seancul55 they can do a little of everything, but then so can everyone else, but those who have specialities do them better than the others. i have talked to members of sof, and most give the answer, "its a toolbox, everyone has their thing", but guys i served with, who are not in sof, but have worked with most branches claim seals are outstandingly arrogant, brash, immature, and have a wanton concern for human life, and a severe lack of professionalism.
@mikeylikesit2675 SEALs do a LOT more than "a little bit of everything," but obviously I can't convince you of that thanks to your AF/USMC blinders, but whatever (btw, last I checked the MC was part of the Navy...). Since you have a hard-on for "specialty units" then how's this for you? NO SOF CAN PERFORM IN WATER LIKE THE SEALS. Minisubs? YEARS of water training? SEALs are the frogmen. NOBODY can do their job in the water. You can even ask any Delta operator, and they'll tell you the truth
@mikeylikesit2675 And your comments on the SEALs without knowing them disgusts me. SEALs are known as the "Quiet PROFESSIONALS." Hard to be a quiet professional I guess if you're so arrogant and brash with a "wanton concern for human life." You no what Petty Officer Lalo Roberti (ex-SEAL) has to say about PJs? And I quote, "Don't even get me started on the PJs. Those guys are such fuckin losers. They've got like that frat house mentality where everything's a party. No professionalism."
@mikeylikesit2675 Obviously Lalo doesn't actually hate PJs, but it's funny hearing you call out the most professional guys out there childish when your beloved PJs act like frat brothers. And let me tell you a lil story, ok? 16 SEALs were killed on 6/28/05 BECAUSE they let goat herders go who discovered their position in the mountains. Doesn't sound like "wanton concern for human life" to me. The herders gave them away to 150 Taliban. The 4 man SEAL team was attacked, and killed 100 Taliban...
@mikeylikesit2675 Ever heard of Michael Murphy? He went into the open to make a call for help, and was shot. Later was killed. Metal of Honor. The call got through and the rescue bird came in, then was blown out of the sky. Those were Lalo's Teammates. They kicked him off the chopper because of weight concerns. 16 SEALs and 8 Night Stalkers were killed that day BECAUSE the initial 4-man SEAL Team let the goat herders go. "Wanton concern for human life"? FUCK YOU. Read Lone Survivor.
@seancul55 michael murphy shouldve tied up the goat herder, the fact that the suggestion even came up to kill him is grotesque but not surprising. i am familiar with operation red wing, it was a mistake, and a very unfortunate one, but if that was SF it never would have come to that bc SF is trained to handle situations like that before they ever deploy, its a training evolution called Robin Sage. thats why SF become PMOO's and seals get out and appear on Fox news.
@mikeylikesit2675 OK, I think you might just be an asshole now, and you know nothing but what Wiki told you about OP Red Wing. It was goat HERDERS (including 2 teenagers), with over 100 goats. You can't just tie up the herders and stay hidden on the side of a cliff with 100+ goats roaming around. No, they could either kill the herders and shoo the goats away, or let the herders go with their stock. They chose to let them go you fuckin prick. Army SF would have had the same fuckin dilemma.
@mikeylikesit2675 Now who's "talking out their ass." SF's bread and butter is training locals and leading them in combat. That's what Robin Sage is about. That has nothing to do with OP Redwing as no indiginous friendly forces were involved, just a 4 man sniper team. So please, "Stop talking out your ass." Just admit you're wrong, and say sorry for the SEALs alive and dead that you've disrespected and I'll be happy.
@mikeylikesit2675 The fact that SEALs were on a mission that secretive over the Green Berets speaks volumes. How dare you discrespect the names of Mikey Murphy, Danny Dietz, Matt Axelson, and Marcus Luttrell like that. I know for a fact that if Lalo Roberti could find you right now he'd beat the fuckin shit out of you. Army SF has a 60% dropout rate to the Navy's 90%+. Their standards are lower, so they have more guys. "Grotesque" to try and keep a vitally important mission alive after compro
@seancul55 no disrespect was given, people fuck up all the time, like i told you, Seals arent properly trained to handle situations like these, which is why SF cats move on to to work for SAD/SOG, and seals continue to shoot and loot, its what they do. SF does FID, and guerilla warfare, Seals do raids and hard ops of the like. SF specializes in long term ops operating in enemy territory by themselves, seals can too, but not as well as SF.
@mikeylikesit2675 Let me finish with a final, "you're full of shit." SEALs run snatch and grabs every day in the Stan. Not trained for it? Motherfucker they LIVE it. All day every day. "SF cats move on to SAD/SOG?" Perhaps you haven't heard, but ST6 is referred to as the CIA's "Praetorian Guard." Look it up. SAD is made up of seasoned DEVGRU (ST6) and Delta operators, stop kidding yourself. SEALs are trained to live out on their own for weeks as well. Stop kidding yourself...
@mikeylikesit2675 Army SF training is shorter, not as rounded, with only 60% drop rate, and ridiculously huge. SEALs are only the best of the best. 2000 strong to the Rangers' 5000 and SFs 5000. SEAL training dropout rate is over 90% from enlistment to earning the Trident. Let me leave you with one last story. 50 marines and 3 SEALs ruck to get to the site of OP Redwing. Only three make it the 20+ miles to the FOB as everyone else quits from the heat. Any guess on who made it? Team Guys. HOOYAH!
@mikeylikesit2675 mise? Fuck you bro. You put MARSOC, Army SF, PJs, CCTs, whoever the fuck you want in that situation and they'd have the same dilemma. Either kill the herders and complete your mission, but get prosecuted for war crimes, or let them go and risk getting massacred by 200 Taliban. YOU choose. I know which way I'd go, but apparently the SEALs, who LOVE "wanton violence" chose to let them go. All you do is spew opinion.Plz, give me ONE GOOD FACT out of all your posts.U sicken me.
@seancul55 NOPE wrong again, an SF officer was asked how he'd handle it, what he thought was the best course of action was, and quite simply said "tie up the goat herder" something up until that point hadnt been mentioned. remember SF handles these situations all the time, they get dropped in country and left to their devices, and survive and succeed more often than not. Look up Robin Sage, something Seals dont get, and arent good at. as demonstrated by OP redwing.
@mikeylikesit2675 Since the personal attacks are coming, yes, I did score 94 on my AFQT. I try not to be cocky about it, but the truth is that I'm lucky: I'm fuckin smart. I go to one of the top 80 schools in the country for my major, play D1 football, and still maintain a 3.0 GPA amidst my crazy schedule, partying, and procrastination. IDK what calling me out as an "ass" and questioning the 94 had to do with our conversation, but nice going big man!!!
@mikeylikesit2675 You don't fucking listen. First, show me where this mysterious "SF officer" said "tie up the goat herder." Second, it was goat HERDERS (3 or 4). Watch vids on YT of Marcus Luttrell telling the story, and read Lone Survivor. They couldn't just tie up the herders, because they were fuckin HERDERS, meaning there was a HERD of 100 fuckin goats on the mountain side with them. Not exactly covert to be hiding in the mountains with the Taliban looking at 100 fuckin goats chillin there
@mikeylikesit2675 cuz they'd no something was wrong. No, the choices were kill the herders and try to shoo the goats away (if failing relocate or scrub mission cuz Taliban will smell something fishy), or let the herders and their goats go and risk them telling the Taliban. You're right though, the SEALs did mess up, and they paid for it with their lives... they should have killed the fuckin herders. But unfortunately, liberal america wouldn't like that and they'd imprison them for it. Fucked up.
@mikeylikesit2675 Again, read Lone Survivor. SEALs in Afghanistan are PRIMARILY USED FOR snatch and grabs (like OP Redwing). Chill in the mountains outside town for a week, then snatch or snipe the guy. Murphy's boys had done DOZENS of similar missions in Iraq and Afghanistan. Read the book punk. You see, they weren't doing a mission meant for Army SF, they were doing a SEAL mission, but you don't even know what you're talking about so how can I possibly convince you. Looked up Robin Sage...
@mikeylikesit2675 it has NOTHING to do with OP Redwing. Working with locals and training them is Army SF's job. True. This was not one of those missions. This was a strict observe and shoot on sight mission, unless the snatch could be made. Your ignorance on this topic is astounding. If you wanna be a smart ass, look up Hell Week, combat diving, and MFF jump school, somethingS Army SF doesn't get (MFF is OPTIONAL, along with combat diving, AFTER earning the Green Beret). You're so clueless.
@mikeylikesit2675 No other SOF would be trusted with an oil rig or ship. That would be the SEALs. However, 90% of their ops are on the "L" in SEAL, so they're not just the water guys. PJs cannot do a SEALs job, please, don't make me laugh harder than I already am. The reverse is true as well, SEALs are not as good at lifesaving (unless they went to the Navy's 22 week Corpsman School, and some do). However, you're arguing PJs and now MARSOC are more elite and tougher. I, & the world disagree.
@mikeylikesit2675 I need a source on your PJ numbers, because just based on looking at the AF Special Tactics site, the PJs are spread awfully thin if there's only 300 on about 30 different bases... And your opinion on Army SF is COMPLETELY biased, w/o facts, and just dead WRONG. SF has guys training Afghans in Afghanistan (their specialty), but if you had done any reading you'd know that since 03 the SEALs have been the primary SOF in Afghanistan, with Army SF and Delta primarily in Iraq...
@seancul55 thats purely based on politics, JSOC has been run by guys who love seals, and therefore they have gotten missions, and funding that isnt based on need, or priority, or who most deserves it, but instead pure politics, if you dont believe me you dont know how the military actually works, and have probably never served.
@mikeylikesit2675 JSOC has been run by guys who love SEALs? The past 2 JSOC commanders have been Admirals, true. But that only covers from June 2008 until now. EVERY SINGLE JSOC COMMANDER BEFORE THAT WAS ARMY, AND THE PENDING JSOC COMMANDER MG JOSEPH VOTEL IS ARMY. Don't talk to me about that politics bullshit, the Army has the most people in JSOC, and the most power. Even with 3 years of of Admirals leading JSOC, most of their subordinates and other SR members are Army. Cut that shit out.
@seancul55 Like i said its politics, with admirals in the postions they're in, seals get funding, missions, and other favoritism, i didnt say it was wrong, or that the seals havent been on the other side of the story, i just said thats the way it is.
@mikeylikesit2675 Even with an Admiral at the helm of JSOC, he doesn't worry about individual operations and making sure the SEALs get the good missions. He's in charge of the whole shebang. He's more concerned with logistics. Kind of like the CEO of a Fortune 500 company. His subordinates take care of the operational side of JSOC, and the VAST majority of them are Army. Simple fact is that the Army got out of control and now has 10,000+ operators to the Navy's 2,500. The Army wins politics
@mikeylikesit2675 You're just wrong on so much, sorry to everyone for rambling! BUD/S attrition rate is not so high for the reasons you think. Do the candidates need to be worked on? Yes skill-wise, but they don't nearly as often fail in 2nd and 3rd Phases (the skill phases), they fall out in 1st Phase, Basic Conditioning. The thing is, unlike AFSOC where anyone who passes the PAST gets into Indoc, SEAL selection is crazy where only the STUDS even make it to Coronado. The PST minimums are just..
@mikeylikesit2675 that: minimums. Don't expect a slot at BUD/s with anything worse than under 9:30 500m swim, 100 push, 100 sit, 15 pull, under 9:30 run. But that's just to get a contract and go to NSW Prep for 10 weeks in Chicago. There the weak are weeded out. Thennn, time for BUD/S Indoc for 5 weeks where about 40% of those left ring out. THEN, they FINALLY start 1st Phase, and throughout the course of BUD/S 80% of the remainders will ring out or be dropped, the vast majority in 1st Phase
@seancul55 those standards are the same for what youd need to get into PJ/CCT and dont even meet force recon standards, i know because i served in the corps, and know people who made it into battalion recon, and some onto force, SF is completely different, some standards are lower, and SF is more ruck intensive.
@mikeylikesit2675 FALSE. MARSOC (if you paid attention you'd know Force Recon was scooped up by MARSOC, and the only FR units left are reserves) requires a 225 PFT. That means ~ 15 pullups, 75 crunches, and an 22:10 3 mile. Straight off the MARSOC site. In order to even have a SHOT at a BUD/S billet you need a sub 9:30 500m swim, 100 push, 100 SITUPS (harder than crunches), ~15-25 pullups, and a sub 9:30 1.5 mile. All of this is done with 2 minute breaks between events. So stop lying bro.
@mikeylikesit2675 So you see, the product to even get into BUD/S is elite, and 80% of THEM ring out. Tell me where the documentary is cuz I don't believe you and can't find it, sorry. MARSOC is brand new, with little experience, with no place of their own. Army SF shares the land with SEALs, and SEALs OWN the water. The average Marine may be in better shape than the average Sailor, but not the average BUD/S candidate.Today, BUD/S recruits straight off the streets. No prior service or fleet guys.
@seancul55 MARSOC is new, but old operators, my old platoon sergeant is a first sergeant there now, and he is former scout sniper with almost a decade of ops under his belt, and certainly marsoc certainly have a place all their own, you obviously got gleamy eyed when u read a book, and watched a few documentaries.
@mikeylikesit2675 MARSOC is obv good, but they don't have Tier 1 access either. My mom lives in Coronado. I'm a D1 football player. I've wanted to be a SEAL since I was 14. Nice try insulting me. I've read books, watched documentaries, talked to former SEALs, talked to my area's NAVSPECWAR recruiter, follow Don Shipley (buds131 on YT), and Lalo Roberti. I'm not some fucking UBL groupie bro.
@seancul55 MARSOC doesnt get tier one access bc the Corps doesnt want to share their talent, not bc they arent good enough. i did all the research before i went in too, and thats why i joined the Corps, no other branch compares, but like your opinion of the seals, its just that, an opinion. i could unleach an array of facts and figures that say so, but you wouldnt give a shit, and i dont care to convince you.
@mikeylikesit2675 Haha, ok I love how you just dropped the whole OP Redwing thing, and the politics thing cuz you know you're wrong, so then you talk some random shit about MARSOC to cut your losses and try and sound smart about something. Watevs bro. MARSOC has no Tier 1 access because they're young and UNPROVEN, not because they "don't want it." Are you fuckin serious? If I know anything about Marines, I know they're extremely competitive and want to show they're the best. Hard to do that...
@seancul55 How long have you spent in the marine corps? Your going to claim to know why MARSOC doesnt have tier 1 access? Or tell me what Marines are like? thats fascinating. Because not only have i served, it was in the Corps, and not as a p.o.g. I never said they didnt want it, ass (howd u get a 94 again?) i said the brass that RUNS the corps didnt want to share their talent with JSOC. Because not only are we competitive, we run the best trained, most efficient, most lethal branch.
@mikeylikesit2675 No, I don't claim to know why MARSOC doesn't have a Tier 1 unit, but YOU are. You're making up bullshit reasons to inflate your already enormously deranged sense of superiority (ego). The most likely reason (which I brought up) is because MARSOC is like 5 years old. Not long enough to prove themselves. Doesn't mean they'll never have a Tier 1 unit, but right now they aren't on the SEALs and Army SFs level, sorry. Most lethal branch? Navy cruise missiles and planes cause more...
@mikeylikesit2675 damage than the Marine Corps, unless of course you're talking about Marine Corps pilots. They cause lots of damage... to their equipment, missions, lives... great history there. Please, speak with a lil more emotion and bullshit, cuz facts and the truth are strangers for you. "Best trained, most efficient, most lethal?" BullSHIT. Air Force/Navy cruise missile strikes, air strikes and Drone strikes have more kills than any other branch, stfu. Ya I forgot, youKNOW the brass right
@mikeylikesit2675 without Tier 1 access. Doesn't want to share their talent? They'd have their own contained MARSOC unit just like Delta and DEVGRU, no "sharing." In fact, they CURRENTLY share some of their operators with Delta. Granted, it's very few, but there are some Marines in Delta. If you've done your research, give me some fact, not just opinion. Even your last post was BS and you pullin stuff out your ass. Just remember, your beloved Recon units are taught at NAB Coronado by SEALs...
@mikeylikesit2675 Only the elite that crush the ASVAB and PST need enlist with a SEAL contract. All you're doing is conjecture on who's toughest, MARSOC, AFSOC, blah blah blah. You're 90% number is fabricated, you're facts are opinions. Simply put, you're pulling things out of your ass. Sorry to be a dick, but it's true. All you need to know is that MARSOC has no Tier 1 unit, and VERY FEW of their guys are invited to Delta. It's obv that SEALs and Army SF are the top commandos. Period.
@seancul55 the coast guard has higher requirements for the asvab than a buds contract, and cct have to become FAA certified air traffic controllers to wear the scarlet beret, along with the swimming, demo, jumping, shooting, the seals do. oh and dont forget all the comm gear, and other tech those guys need to know that most spec ops never touch.
@mikeylikesit2675 The average SEAL has an 88 AFQT. Did you have an 88 AFQT? Got mine tested last month: 94. The Coast Guard does not require an 88 AFQT last I checked. Your statements on SEAL requirements and whatnot is all BS, no facts. Do some research before you thunder type. SEALS need a 220 or 150 cumulative of certain aspects of the ASVAB like MK, EI, etc. Stop talkin shit bro. All the units are great, but to assert PJs and MARSOC are better is ludicrous.This has been a waste o time.
@seancul55 all a seal needs is 55 in GS, MC, and EL, and he passes. which is easy, i did well beyond that, as most reasonably intelligent people would. and to get a AFQT of 70, to get in the coast guard right now (requirements change as recruiting needs specify) youd be right in that ballpark, if you did about that well on all sections of the test.
@mikeylikesit2675 Honestly, you're wasting everyone's time. You have no facts, all bullshit, and now you're FABRICATING facts. You need a 40 AFQT to enlist in the Coast Guard, bro, and there's waivers even for that. Where you got that 70 number likely cuts turds... THE AVERAGE SEAL HAS AN 88 AFQT ACCORDING TO NAVY RESEARCH TO FIND THE MOST LIKELY INDICATORS OF BUD/S SUCCESS. You're dead as wrong on the SEAL ASVAB requirements too dude. 165+ GS/MC/EI or 220+ VE/MK/MC/CS. Nice try, come again.
@mikeylikesit2675 Wasdin. He describes the PJs and CCTs as capable and in good physical shape. However, he also says that they weren't in as good of physical shape as the SEALs and D-boys, and that they weren't as useful in a firefight. They were however, extremely useful for their skills in life-saving and aircraft fire support. Thus, SEALs and Army SF operators often incorporate PJs/CCTs into their Teams for their unique skills, but not to pull triggers and kick in doors. K, peace.
@seancul55 its a tooolbox, so all different elements of the community add to it. and yes life saving is something pretty useful, and cct's do alot more than fire support. and when pj's get involved (if they werent on the team to begin with) things have become a goatfuck, so they have neither the initiative or surprise like seals. seals have become quite glamorized lately but for reasons unbeknownst to me. every other tool in the toolbox can do what they do, but they cant do anything special.
@47lilwill there you go...i've heard of seals and marines that try out thinking thei're the shit...so the instructors go hard on them and soon enough they QUIT...all on their own.
@Ksmitty227 Hahha your Ignorence makes me laugh! You couldnt do any of that shit you lazy ass dumbshitt! Youd shitt youself at the thought of saving someones life, while taking incoming fire, BEHIND enemy lines!
get good in the water. im not a good swimmer either but they will make you a good swimmer. 2 years of training is a long time for you to get good at things before you go on the battle field
PJs are highly trained in special ops type combat, they are the only force used to go into rescue in hostile or "denied" zones. training is EXTREMELY hard, highest drop-out precentage rate in the military. rarely are the attached to CCT teams as medics due to their high value
PJ's see combat most of the time they go out. if a helicopter gets shot down the PJ's get to kill whoever shot it down and rescue the crew lol. they go out completely alone.
I got a silly question for any of the special tactics experts out there: Are PJs ever attached to CCT teams as the 'medic' kinda like Corpsmen to the Marines? Just curious, this has been something I always wanted to do.
I leave for basic training 13 Oct. and have my spec ops contract for pararescue! Can't wait to get to indoc. Only 10 weeks of suck and then the rest is all down hill!!
No. I didn't say that your cadre lied to your face. What I said had nothing to do with your cadre. What I said was it doesn't get any easier when you get out of INDOC.
If it got tougher after indoc, you'd see higher wash rates. most people wash during indoc. the other trainings include army airborne school and usaf basic survivor school, which I'm sure is no picnic but definitely not as hard as indoc. unless youre a PJ or know a PJ and can say otherwise
Mikey, you a seal?
a1cchill 1 month ago
My only dream right now!
MrDeydis 3 months ago
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m48h 3 months ago
Story of the snake.
A Ranger finds the snake, plays with the snake, then eats it. Force Recon follows the snake and gets lost. Navy SEAL expends all ammunition, several grenades and calls for naval gunfire in a failed attempt to kill the snake. Snake bites the SEAL then retreats to safety. AF PJ wounds the snake in first encounter then feverishly works to save the snake's life. Army SF makes contact with the snake, builds rapport, wins its heart and mind and trains it to kill other snakes.
foxychocho 5 months ago 8
anyone in the ramstein area aspiring to become a pj and will do whatever it takes should look me up on global so we can work out to a goal i'm sure will be LIFE REWARDING. can't think of doing anything else in my life but this! - Just a humble SrA. reach me at tuifua.akau@ramstein.af.mil
KiNGFuA 6 months ago
Im not seancul55
THEOMGProduction 6 months ago
seriously, you seal groupies are like nickelback fans, grossly misinformed, and fucking everywhere.
mikeylikesit2675 6 months ago
@mikeylikesit2675 Not a groupie. Currently a 19 year old D1 football player starting his FR(R.S) season that has wanted to be a SEAL since he was 14. In case you didn't know, that was before the Bin Laden raid and Alabama Maersk. My mom lives in Coronado (coincidentally, she moved there when I was 14). I'm not misinformed. I've talked to former SEALs, read bookS (emphasis on the S), talked to the NAVSPECWAR recruiter in my area, follow SR Chief Don Shipley, etc. I know what I'm saying.
seancul55 6 months ago
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seancul55 7 months ago
how often do you guys get shot at like compared to infantry and why is it that everyone in pj looks older also how hard is it to get into this
10oner 8 months ago
@10oner While I'm looking into the SEALs once I finish up college, I researched the PJs a bit before deciding my path. PJ training is EXTREMELY difficult mentally and physically as not only are they commandos, but also battlefield medics. They get shot at more than infantry because they often go behind enemy lines to rescue downed airmen.Once you get past Indoc (9 weeks) you're golden, but Indoc is hard as hell, even with there only being a "Hell Day" as opposed to the SEAL Hell Week.
seancul55 7 months ago
There are never enought characters alloted to make a complete point so I will have to make do with just one.
Comparing PJs to SEALs and Rangers is pointless not only because they serve different purposes but because they work and traing together. For example, one of the schools in the PJ pipeling is Army Combat Dive school where you train with Rangers/Green Barrets. If that schools is full you can go to the Navy dive school where you train with SEALs.
Comparisons are futile and irrelivant.
SillyGringo101 8 months ago
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Why do most drop out
WR3STL3 9 months ago
I am aiming to do this and this video just inspires me more to train myself harder and be the best that I can be so I can go out there and save our soldier's lives. Wish me luck on my transition from some nobody to hopefully becoming one of the elites.
THERACHR1S 10 months ago
@THERACHR1S "You're never a nobody, the thought of wanting to become even more makes you an elite in training." - Sgt. Mendez
Laudividni777 10 months ago
Nice song whats the title??
G05G05 1 year ago
There is a very thin line between huah and stupid fella's. However you spell it, use it or abuse it.
TheMitchjd 1 year ago
hua is heard understood acknowledged for the air force, i am in afrotc. It may be used additionally by another branch
gtstallions55 1 year ago
dumb ass viktore86 marines is oorah
neversummero8 1 year ago
@neversummero8 i was just at lackland AFB for training and they use hua
bigd6992 1 year ago
that others may live, hooyah!!
brutalray1992 1 year ago
@brutalray1992
hooyah is marine.
Hua is Air Force.
viktore86 1 year ago
@viktore86
no oorah is marine
hua is army
hooyah can be navy or airforce
brutalray1992 1 year ago
@brutalray1992 Actually the Army uses Hooah.
Died2Soon 1 year ago
@Died2Soon did u know the airforce use to be part of the army.
Lavitz00 10 months ago
@brutalray1992 HUA means Heard Understood Acknowledged. Every single branch uses it. When your Commander, First Sgt, etc. gives a command you say HUA to let them know you've got it.
and however you spell it, it is pronounced pretty much the same
AirForceAuxiliaryNCO 11 months ago
AIR FORCE FOREVER BABY!!!!!!!!!
SuperMike82 1 year ago
Great Video. its 50/50 CCT to pj's that are in the same class. same pipeline and advance training courses.
justinpaoli 1 year ago
rediculous...
tigerjack91 1 year ago
hell im only 12 but i have been looking at the military and airforce websites since i was 8 i know this is what i want to do. Great job with the video btw its awesome
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airsoftkid65 1 year ago
Son was going to try to get into PJ but he has an eye condition called kerataconus. I looked up the DOD reg for military service and it specifically says if you have it to any degree you can't join. Even if you have it corrected...doesn't matter. I am very sad for him. He was working out so hard.
ronin2167 1 year ago
has there been any deaths in pararescue training?
beasley1987 1 year ago
Man, can't wait till I make it to the academy then get into pararescue. They get to train with seals. Shit is intense
DwAustinator52 1 year ago
@DwAustinator52 officers can't be PJs they can be CROs though. (COmbat Rescue Officers) they pretty much go through the same training except CROs go through officer training instead of BMT and apprentice course.
walkerorr 1 year ago
@walkerorr
My question is this:
If they go through the school and become an officer why can they not be part of an elite force such as the PJ's?
Or are CRO's a step up from the PJ's?
DwAustinator52 1 year ago
@DwAustinator52 Yes, CRO... Combat Rescue Officers are the ones in charge. Officers are the boss, the enlisted are the subs.
snakeii0 1 year ago
@walkerorr
Let me know please...
DwAustinator52 1 year ago
can u be a pj jumper when you first enlist?
coruption9876 1 year ago
There all Badass' leave it at that.
ronin2167 1 year ago
@ronin2167 best answer yet. thanks. it galls me to read some of the ignorance here. on a side note, your name is very nice. the movie is one of my all-time favorites.
colors1387 1 year ago
GREAT VIDEO!!!!!
michaelrodgers41392 1 year ago
got a hard on from that
wilkoslavakia 1 year ago 4
Greater love hath no man than this,that a man lay down his life for his friends
John 15:13
vizcaya7 2 years ago 43
That's my favorite verse. Did he right that for future pj's? :)
sdopfel 1 year ago
@vizcaya7 Almost as if it were written for pj's
sdopfel 1 year ago
most intense training? all operators are good at what they do and all train to take a life . only One ALSO trains to save them. i guess one may be able to figure out where the most intensive training is required.
colors1387 2 years ago 3
If I say Pj somebody's gotta say ALL DAMN DAY ! the best of the airforce and most certanly the best paramedics in the world
THAT others may ive :)
FreeRideAddikt 2 years ago 4
the things they do ,So that other may live* hoorah yeah def. i am joining air force and will be volunteering for the Pjs wish me luck all :)
JTbaker87alpha 2 years ago
GO PJs HOOYAH!!!!!
KillianSCG 2 years ago
hooyah is navy..
MTftr 2 years ago
Actually cct and pjs say Hooyah also
KillianSCG 2 years ago 3
I love PJ's .They are the BEST!!
singo1218 2 years ago 2
I'm a civil air patrol cadet right now and I'm going to pjoc and pjac so that I can go strait to pj training after af boot camp!
pyro1a 2 years ago
what is pjoc and pjac? can you be detailed i would like to know thanks and good luck
vizcaya7 2 years ago
sweet footage
laxlongboarder 2 years ago
some bad ass motherfuckers.... pj's have the most intense training in the military
S0uthBronX 2 years ago 47
i think the SEAL's do.
chetaloris1 2 years ago
It's apples and oranges really, they have different mission objectives and thus have different training. Indoc and BUD/s are both designed to push someone to their limits mentally and physically, and both programs succeed in weeding out the lesser candidates.
Although it is worth saying that after the 2 and a half years or so of training to officially be a PJ, you still have to go through 18 months of on the job training before you can be sent out on a mission. SEALs don't have that.
ifwere1021 1 year ago 3
@ifwere1021 New appointed SEALs have to go through 18+ months of on the job training before being deployed. All Special Ops have to train before they get deployed. Don't talk non-sense if you don't know what you are talking about. BUD/s is the most physically demanding lower tier special ops school, nothing comes close. Period.
SanJoseMA 1 year ago
Yes, but they don't have 18 months OJT in addition to the 2.5 to 3 years classroom type training. It takes about 2 to 3 years before a SEAL will potentially see a mission, it takes that much time before a PJ will even start his 18 months OJT. Sorry if you misunderstood me.
And as for "nothing coming close" to BUD/s, don't be silly, PJ's SEAL/s and Rangers go through just about the same thing during Indoc. After that Rangers receive less water training than the other two but it's still similar.
ifwere1021 1 year ago
@S0uthBronX no they do not,,,, i want to be a pk myself but navy seals have the most intense training in the world then the spetsnaz and in third place is pj's
awsomeash12 1 year ago
@awsomeash12 yeah,they do.the only thing third place is your information.ive said this before- all operators are good at what they do and all are trained to Take a life.ONLY ONE operator is ALSO trained to SAVE a life.one Should be able to determine where the most intense training is required.Please, give it a rest.
colors1387 1 year ago
@awsomeash12 intense? Try Delta Force.
WP11hate11WP 1 year ago
@WP11hate11WP intense?try pj,tacp,weathermen, ANYTHING but typing on stuff most know little about.
colors1387 1 year ago
@S0uthBronX Along with the SEALs, but they both are some BADASS MoFos i tell ya
LethalzIcon 1 year ago
@S0uthBronX thats a big fat negative
bigd6992 1 year ago
@S0uthBronX lol dude theses guys are 911 for seals = badass training man lol i love it though when you have little kids saying seals is hardest lol epic ^^
FreeRideAddikt 1 year ago
@FreeRideAddikt S.E.A.L/s dont have back up there is no 911 for any specops unit for that case and matter thats why you dont fuck up in the first place, plus even if there was a hot extraction zone they would send SWCC our brothers to come lay down some firing lanes, im not insulting you or PJ, PJ are just as badass but different mission specialties. So please reframe from declaring any SpecOps group better then an other. We're all a bunch a bad mofos kicking the same enemies asses.
osok312 10 months ago
@osok312 i never tsaid that they were the best its jut that their training is hell'a'harder than the SeALs but dude but as you said different specialities...and plz i want to become a SeAL its just that i have mad respect for theses guys. :) but i still prefer the SeALs ( one of my favs :)
FreeRideAddikt 10 months ago
@FreeRideAddikt False, SEAL training is "The Hardest Military Training In The World." Respect is due to the PJs, Green Berets, Rangers, etc, but there's no comparison. It's not enough to pass the PST, you have to SMASH the minimums to get a contract. Then there's BUD/S Prep for 10 weeks, Indoc for 5 weeks, BUD/S for 6 MONTHS (the big difference, Hell Week, is ONLY FOUND IN SEAL TRAINING!!!), Jump School for 3 weeks, SQT for 18 weaks, then job training for 6 more months. Ppl drop bythe wayside
seancul55 7 months ago
@seancul55 explain why seals have failed pj training?
47lilwill 7 months ago
@47lilwill SEALs have never failed PJ Training simply because they don't go through PJ Training, because they are NOT PJs. They crosstrain together, but SEALs don't go through the PJ training pipeline, just like PJs don't go through the SEAL pipeline. There's a big line in the sand between Navy and Air Force, but you knew that, right??? I have no doubts in my mind that many a PJ would ring the bell in Hell Week, none at all. There's a reason Obama sends DevGru to get shit done. End of story.
seancul55 7 months ago
@47lilwill hahahahahahahahahahaha i just watched surviving the cut about PJs. they have "extended training day, 21 hours of Hell." congrats, PJ hellweek is one sixth as long and difficult as Hell Week. Try 6 day on less than 4 hours of sleep where you run over 250 miles, among other fun activities 24/7 from sunday to saturday. The Navy SEALs. HOOYAH!!!
seancul55 7 months ago
@seancul55 No one does 250 miles in 6 days. Impossible. Stop padding your numbers seal sucker.
reddog418 7 months ago
@reddog418 Search "hell week run 250 miles" on google. 2nd link. Youtube won't let me post the link for some reason. Read the 6th paragraph champ! And in the Discovery documentary on BUD/S Class 234 they claim the real number is 250 miles. You forget they're constantly moving 20 hrs a day with meals every 6 hours for 6 days straight on less the 4 hours of sleep for the entire week! Extended Training Day? Lol, try Extended Training WEEK my little PJ wannabe friend ;) SEALs > PJs lol
seancul55 7 months ago
@seancul55 I love how everyone always adds to the real number. It says 200, Tiger. You just added 25% to the distance. Let me guess, the run with glass in their shoes while fending off a pack of wild, bloodthristy hyenas with only a toothbrush. Then, after they've killed the hyenas, they must walk on their hands through a tar pit with tar pit sharks trying to kill them. Get fucking real. Every number that comes from the military is bloated. Does it feel like 250 miles, probably. But it's not.
reddog418 7 months ago
@reddog418 That's one source that puts it at 200 miles (still insane!), but if you kept reading my comment you'd see that if you watch the BUD/S 234 documentary by Discovery that the real number is around 250. I know for a fact that people on youtube uploaded it, so if you want to educate yourself don't let me stop you! Compare to Surviving the Cut with the PJs, lol. Extended Training Day? Lololol. And the 250 miles comes from Discovery, who were there EVERY DAY FOR SIX MONTHS. Get real bro
seancul55 7 months ago
@seancul55 there is also a documentary by Discover about PJ/CCT indoc (although the indocs are now separated) where a SEAL scraped through and said it was much harder than BUD/S. it is also something to consider that the attrition rate for the pj indoc is the highest of the sf community, or the fact that there are currently thousands of seals operating, and only a few hundred pj's. or the fact that the pipeline for PJs is longer, or the fact that Pjs have saved a few frog asses more than once
mikeylikesit2675 6 months ago
@mikeylikesit2675 So much to argue with here, sorry if I draw on. First, I also saw Surviving the Cut: PJ, by Discovery. Nowhere in the entire documentary is there a former SEAL, let alone one claiming PJ indoc is tougher than BUD/S. Nice fact fabrication. ALL of PJ training (including, not just Indoc) has a 90% attrition rate. BUD/S is at 80%, but that doesn't count NSW Prep (10 weeks) and BUD/S Indoc (often 200 show up, and 110 move to First Phase of BUD/S). All of SEAL training is well..
seancul55 6 months ago
@seancul55 the documentary was older than STC. and its here on YT. It was in a series by Discovery called forbidden places. maybe a hundred candidates show up to the pj indoc and five or six will actually end up on a team. the starting product has to be considered, which is why MARSOC is probably physically the most strenuous, when you take into consideration the basic pft requirements of all services, the marine corps is by far the most demanding. although most pj/cct/SF are prior service.
mikeylikesit2675 6 months ago
@mikeylikesit2675 over 90% attrition. Numbers can be deceiving. SEAL candidates also fail out in SQT, jump school, and the probation period before joining their Teams after BUD/S. Fact is, 90% of PJ candidates fail throughout training, and OVER 90% fail SEAL training. And as of now there are ONLY 2000 SEALs, not thousands and thousands of them as you claim. There's currently 3 times as many Green Berets, and DEVGRU (ST6) is only 150 operators deep. There are no #s available on PJs active...
seancul55 6 months ago
@seancul55 there are about 300 active pj's at last count, and there are alot of SF bc their place in the toolbox is absolutely indispensable, they are doing the heavy lifting in afghanistan, and have been since the start. the Seals are used in FID bc there simply arent enough oda's to go around. so seals swim, jump and shoot, well guess what? so does everybody else in the community, BUD/S has a high attrition rate bc the starting product requires alot of work, same with pj's.
mikeylikesit2675 6 months ago
@mikeylikesit2675 so we cannot know if there are more SEALs than PJs. However, it would make sense that there would be less PJs considering how skill-specific there missions are. The AF is primarily involved in the Air Wing, not Search and Rescue. Therefore, PJs don't need numbers. This isn't an indicator of "elite-ness." There are likely more SEALs because it's necessary for them to cover all of their missions anywhere in the world. Fact is, their classes are huge, but the success RATIO..
seancul55 6 months ago
@mikeylikesit2675 is still lower than that of PJs. FINALLY, the PJ pipeline actually might be shorter. SEAL candidates must suffer through 2 years+ of grueling training before being deemed deployable. And of course PJs have saved SEALs.. that's their job. They are combat medics. Their job is to save a downed man. You've made a terrible point there, because who covers the PJ's ass while they save the Team guy's life with lethal fire? His Teammates, the SEALs. Read SEAL Team 6 by Howard...
seancul55 6 months ago
@seancul55 So if you want to argue the most physically fit, and most deadly, the seals dont win that argument either, every marine has met a higher standard than 90% of the rest of the military, so its not a big leap to assume MARSOC has a plethora of really really bad guys. but they dont have the political clout of the seals or SF, so they dont get recognition, but im sure thats the way they like it. The Marine Corps quietly carries more than its weight, and is happy to do so.
mikeylikesit2675 6 months ago
@mikeylikesit2675 I'm sorry but there's no hard facts in anything you've just said, or any sources. I'm afraid you've wasted your time typing. Read the section of SEAL Team Six by Howard Wasdin on Mogadishu. He hung out with, worked out with, shot with, and fought with the CCTs and PJs. He said they were good operators and VERY useful for their unique skills, but they were NOT nearly as capable as the SEALs and D-boys in a gun fight, and were not in quite the same physical shape.
seancul55 6 months ago
@seancul55 so one guy wrote a book about his opinion based on experience, and now its the gold standard?
mikeylikesit2675 6 months ago
@mikeylikesit2675 Nope, I've read many books. Not a Good Day to Die by Sean Naylor, Lone Survivor by Marcus Luttrell, etc etc I could go on. Fact is that you're talking based on an OPINION with ZERO EXPERIENCE as an OPERATOR. An ex-Tier 1 SEAL Operator with a Silver Star (3rd highest honor our nation has, btw) says that the PJs/CCTs were great guys, and very good operators. HOWEVER, they were NOT in as good of physical shape, and were not as good in a firefight. Just read that one section.
seancul55 6 months ago
@mikeylikesit2675 Fact remains, the only organizations that have a Tier 1 force are the SEALs (DEVGRU/ST6), and Army SF (Delta/CAG, however VERY FEW Marines are in Delta). And FALSE. Not any member of the "toolbox" (wtf?!) can do what the SEALs do, because the SEALs if you ask anybody in any SOF they will tell you SEALs are the most flexible unit in the world. Sea, Air, Land. And yes other SOFs train in the water, but not even close to the way SEALs do. In fact, they can do anyone ELSE's job
seancul55 6 months ago
@seancul55 they can do a little of everything, but then so can everyone else, but those who have specialities do them better than the others. i have talked to members of sof, and most give the answer, "its a toolbox, everyone has their thing", but guys i served with, who are not in sof, but have worked with most branches claim seals are outstandingly arrogant, brash, immature, and have a wanton concern for human life, and a severe lack of professionalism.
mikeylikesit2675 6 months ago
@mikeylikesit2675 SEALs do a LOT more than "a little bit of everything," but obviously I can't convince you of that thanks to your AF/USMC blinders, but whatever (btw, last I checked the MC was part of the Navy...). Since you have a hard-on for "specialty units" then how's this for you? NO SOF CAN PERFORM IN WATER LIKE THE SEALS. Minisubs? YEARS of water training? SEALs are the frogmen. NOBODY can do their job in the water. You can even ask any Delta operator, and they'll tell you the truth
seancul55 6 months ago
@mikeylikesit2675 And your comments on the SEALs without knowing them disgusts me. SEALs are known as the "Quiet PROFESSIONALS." Hard to be a quiet professional I guess if you're so arrogant and brash with a "wanton concern for human life." You no what Petty Officer Lalo Roberti (ex-SEAL) has to say about PJs? And I quote, "Don't even get me started on the PJs. Those guys are such fuckin losers. They've got like that frat house mentality where everything's a party. No professionalism."
seancul55 6 months ago
@mikeylikesit2675 Obviously Lalo doesn't actually hate PJs, but it's funny hearing you call out the most professional guys out there childish when your beloved PJs act like frat brothers. And let me tell you a lil story, ok? 16 SEALs were killed on 6/28/05 BECAUSE they let goat herders go who discovered their position in the mountains. Doesn't sound like "wanton concern for human life" to me. The herders gave them away to 150 Taliban. The 4 man SEAL team was attacked, and killed 100 Taliban...
seancul55 6 months ago
@mikeylikesit2675 Ever heard of Michael Murphy? He went into the open to make a call for help, and was shot. Later was killed. Metal of Honor. The call got through and the rescue bird came in, then was blown out of the sky. Those were Lalo's Teammates. They kicked him off the chopper because of weight concerns. 16 SEALs and 8 Night Stalkers were killed that day BECAUSE the initial 4-man SEAL Team let the goat herders go. "Wanton concern for human life"? FUCK YOU. Read Lone Survivor.
seancul55 6 months ago
@seancul55 michael murphy shouldve tied up the goat herder, the fact that the suggestion even came up to kill him is grotesque but not surprising. i am familiar with operation red wing, it was a mistake, and a very unfortunate one, but if that was SF it never would have come to that bc SF is trained to handle situations like that before they ever deploy, its a training evolution called Robin Sage. thats why SF become PMOO's and seals get out and appear on Fox news.
mikeylikesit2675 6 months ago
@mikeylikesit2675 OK, I think you might just be an asshole now, and you know nothing but what Wiki told you about OP Red Wing. It was goat HERDERS (including 2 teenagers), with over 100 goats. You can't just tie up the herders and stay hidden on the side of a cliff with 100+ goats roaming around. No, they could either kill the herders and shoo the goats away, or let the herders go with their stock. They chose to let them go you fuckin prick. Army SF would have had the same fuckin dilemma.
seancul55 6 months ago
@seancul55 no they wouldnt. situations like these are SF's bread and butter. look up Robin Sage and stop talking out of your ass.
mikeylikesit2675 6 months ago
@mikeylikesit2675 Now who's "talking out their ass." SF's bread and butter is training locals and leading them in combat. That's what Robin Sage is about. That has nothing to do with OP Redwing as no indiginous friendly forces were involved, just a 4 man sniper team. So please, "Stop talking out your ass." Just admit you're wrong, and say sorry for the SEALs alive and dead that you've disrespected and I'll be happy.
seancul55 6 months ago
@mikeylikesit2675 The fact that SEALs were on a mission that secretive over the Green Berets speaks volumes. How dare you discrespect the names of Mikey Murphy, Danny Dietz, Matt Axelson, and Marcus Luttrell like that. I know for a fact that if Lalo Roberti could find you right now he'd beat the fuckin shit out of you. Army SF has a 60% dropout rate to the Navy's 90%+. Their standards are lower, so they have more guys. "Grotesque" to try and keep a vitally important mission alive after compro
seancul55 6 months ago
@seancul55 no disrespect was given, people fuck up all the time, like i told you, Seals arent properly trained to handle situations like these, which is why SF cats move on to to work for SAD/SOG, and seals continue to shoot and loot, its what they do. SF does FID, and guerilla warfare, Seals do raids and hard ops of the like. SF specializes in long term ops operating in enemy territory by themselves, seals can too, but not as well as SF.
mikeylikesit2675 6 months ago
@mikeylikesit2675 Let me finish with a final, "you're full of shit." SEALs run snatch and grabs every day in the Stan. Not trained for it? Motherfucker they LIVE it. All day every day. "SF cats move on to SAD/SOG?" Perhaps you haven't heard, but ST6 is referred to as the CIA's "Praetorian Guard." Look it up. SAD is made up of seasoned DEVGRU (ST6) and Delta operators, stop kidding yourself. SEALs are trained to live out on their own for weeks as well. Stop kidding yourself...
seancul55 6 months ago
@mikeylikesit2675 Army SF training is shorter, not as rounded, with only 60% drop rate, and ridiculously huge. SEALs are only the best of the best. 2000 strong to the Rangers' 5000 and SFs 5000. SEAL training dropout rate is over 90% from enlistment to earning the Trident. Let me leave you with one last story. 50 marines and 3 SEALs ruck to get to the site of OP Redwing. Only three make it the 20+ miles to the FOB as everyone else quits from the heat. Any guess on who made it? Team Guys. HOOYAH!
seancul55 6 months ago
@mikeylikesit2675 mise? Fuck you bro. You put MARSOC, Army SF, PJs, CCTs, whoever the fuck you want in that situation and they'd have the same dilemma. Either kill the herders and complete your mission, but get prosecuted for war crimes, or let them go and risk getting massacred by 200 Taliban. YOU choose. I know which way I'd go, but apparently the SEALs, who LOVE "wanton violence" chose to let them go. All you do is spew opinion.Plz, give me ONE GOOD FACT out of all your posts.U sicken me.
seancul55 6 months ago
@seancul55 NOPE wrong again, an SF officer was asked how he'd handle it, what he thought was the best course of action was, and quite simply said "tie up the goat herder" something up until that point hadnt been mentioned. remember SF handles these situations all the time, they get dropped in country and left to their devices, and survive and succeed more often than not. Look up Robin Sage, something Seals dont get, and arent good at. as demonstrated by OP redwing.
mikeylikesit2675 6 months ago
@mikeylikesit2675 Since the personal attacks are coming, yes, I did score 94 on my AFQT. I try not to be cocky about it, but the truth is that I'm lucky: I'm fuckin smart. I go to one of the top 80 schools in the country for my major, play D1 football, and still maintain a 3.0 GPA amidst my crazy schedule, partying, and procrastination. IDK what calling me out as an "ass" and questioning the 94 had to do with our conversation, but nice going big man!!!
seancul55 6 months ago
@mikeylikesit2675 You don't fucking listen. First, show me where this mysterious "SF officer" said "tie up the goat herder." Second, it was goat HERDERS (3 or 4). Watch vids on YT of Marcus Luttrell telling the story, and read Lone Survivor. They couldn't just tie up the herders, because they were fuckin HERDERS, meaning there was a HERD of 100 fuckin goats on the mountain side with them. Not exactly covert to be hiding in the mountains with the Taliban looking at 100 fuckin goats chillin there
seancul55 6 months ago
@mikeylikesit2675 cuz they'd no something was wrong. No, the choices were kill the herders and try to shoo the goats away (if failing relocate or scrub mission cuz Taliban will smell something fishy), or let the herders and their goats go and risk them telling the Taliban. You're right though, the SEALs did mess up, and they paid for it with their lives... they should have killed the fuckin herders. But unfortunately, liberal america wouldn't like that and they'd imprison them for it. Fucked up.
seancul55 6 months ago
@mikeylikesit2675 Again, read Lone Survivor. SEALs in Afghanistan are PRIMARILY USED FOR snatch and grabs (like OP Redwing). Chill in the mountains outside town for a week, then snatch or snipe the guy. Murphy's boys had done DOZENS of similar missions in Iraq and Afghanistan. Read the book punk. You see, they weren't doing a mission meant for Army SF, they were doing a SEAL mission, but you don't even know what you're talking about so how can I possibly convince you. Looked up Robin Sage...
seancul55 6 months ago
@mikeylikesit2675 it has NOTHING to do with OP Redwing. Working with locals and training them is Army SF's job. True. This was not one of those missions. This was a strict observe and shoot on sight mission, unless the snatch could be made. Your ignorance on this topic is astounding. If you wanna be a smart ass, look up Hell Week, combat diving, and MFF jump school, somethingS Army SF doesn't get (MFF is OPTIONAL, along with combat diving, AFTER earning the Green Beret). You're so clueless.
seancul55 6 months ago
@mikeylikesit2675 No other SOF would be trusted with an oil rig or ship. That would be the SEALs. However, 90% of their ops are on the "L" in SEAL, so they're not just the water guys. PJs cannot do a SEALs job, please, don't make me laugh harder than I already am. The reverse is true as well, SEALs are not as good at lifesaving (unless they went to the Navy's 22 week Corpsman School, and some do). However, you're arguing PJs and now MARSOC are more elite and tougher. I, & the world disagree.
seancul55 6 months ago
@mikeylikesit2675 I need a source on your PJ numbers, because just based on looking at the AF Special Tactics site, the PJs are spread awfully thin if there's only 300 on about 30 different bases... And your opinion on Army SF is COMPLETELY biased, w/o facts, and just dead WRONG. SF has guys training Afghans in Afghanistan (their specialty), but if you had done any reading you'd know that since 03 the SEALs have been the primary SOF in Afghanistan, with Army SF and Delta primarily in Iraq...
seancul55 6 months ago
@seancul55 thats purely based on politics, JSOC has been run by guys who love seals, and therefore they have gotten missions, and funding that isnt based on need, or priority, or who most deserves it, but instead pure politics, if you dont believe me you dont know how the military actually works, and have probably never served.
mikeylikesit2675 6 months ago
@mikeylikesit2675 JSOC has been run by guys who love SEALs? The past 2 JSOC commanders have been Admirals, true. But that only covers from June 2008 until now. EVERY SINGLE JSOC COMMANDER BEFORE THAT WAS ARMY, AND THE PENDING JSOC COMMANDER MG JOSEPH VOTEL IS ARMY. Don't talk to me about that politics bullshit, the Army has the most people in JSOC, and the most power. Even with 3 years of of Admirals leading JSOC, most of their subordinates and other SR members are Army. Cut that shit out.
seancul55 6 months ago
@seancul55 Like i said its politics, with admirals in the postions they're in, seals get funding, missions, and other favoritism, i didnt say it was wrong, or that the seals havent been on the other side of the story, i just said thats the way it is.
mikeylikesit2675 6 months ago
@mikeylikesit2675 Even with an Admiral at the helm of JSOC, he doesn't worry about individual operations and making sure the SEALs get the good missions. He's in charge of the whole shebang. He's more concerned with logistics. Kind of like the CEO of a Fortune 500 company. His subordinates take care of the operational side of JSOC, and the VAST majority of them are Army. Simple fact is that the Army got out of control and now has 10,000+ operators to the Navy's 2,500. The Army wins politics
seancul55 6 months ago
@mikeylikesit2675 You're just wrong on so much, sorry to everyone for rambling! BUD/S attrition rate is not so high for the reasons you think. Do the candidates need to be worked on? Yes skill-wise, but they don't nearly as often fail in 2nd and 3rd Phases (the skill phases), they fall out in 1st Phase, Basic Conditioning. The thing is, unlike AFSOC where anyone who passes the PAST gets into Indoc, SEAL selection is crazy where only the STUDS even make it to Coronado. The PST minimums are just..
seancul55 6 months ago
@mikeylikesit2675 that: minimums. Don't expect a slot at BUD/s with anything worse than under 9:30 500m swim, 100 push, 100 sit, 15 pull, under 9:30 run. But that's just to get a contract and go to NSW Prep for 10 weeks in Chicago. There the weak are weeded out. Thennn, time for BUD/S Indoc for 5 weeks where about 40% of those left ring out. THEN, they FINALLY start 1st Phase, and throughout the course of BUD/S 80% of the remainders will ring out or be dropped, the vast majority in 1st Phase
seancul55 6 months ago
@seancul55 those standards are the same for what youd need to get into PJ/CCT and dont even meet force recon standards, i know because i served in the corps, and know people who made it into battalion recon, and some onto force, SF is completely different, some standards are lower, and SF is more ruck intensive.
mikeylikesit2675 6 months ago
@mikeylikesit2675 FALSE. MARSOC (if you paid attention you'd know Force Recon was scooped up by MARSOC, and the only FR units left are reserves) requires a 225 PFT. That means ~ 15 pullups, 75 crunches, and an 22:10 3 mile. Straight off the MARSOC site. In order to even have a SHOT at a BUD/S billet you need a sub 9:30 500m swim, 100 push, 100 SITUPS (harder than crunches), ~15-25 pullups, and a sub 9:30 1.5 mile. All of this is done with 2 minute breaks between events. So stop lying bro.
seancul55 6 months ago
@mikeylikesit2675 So you see, the product to even get into BUD/S is elite, and 80% of THEM ring out. Tell me where the documentary is cuz I don't believe you and can't find it, sorry. MARSOC is brand new, with little experience, with no place of their own. Army SF shares the land with SEALs, and SEALs OWN the water. The average Marine may be in better shape than the average Sailor, but not the average BUD/S candidate.Today, BUD/S recruits straight off the streets. No prior service or fleet guys.
seancul55 6 months ago
@seancul55 MARSOC is new, but old operators, my old platoon sergeant is a first sergeant there now, and he is former scout sniper with almost a decade of ops under his belt, and certainly marsoc certainly have a place all their own, you obviously got gleamy eyed when u read a book, and watched a few documentaries.
mikeylikesit2675 6 months ago
@mikeylikesit2675 MARSOC is obv good, but they don't have Tier 1 access either. My mom lives in Coronado. I'm a D1 football player. I've wanted to be a SEAL since I was 14. Nice try insulting me. I've read books, watched documentaries, talked to former SEALs, talked to my area's NAVSPECWAR recruiter, follow Don Shipley (buds131 on YT), and Lalo Roberti. I'm not some fucking UBL groupie bro.
seancul55 6 months ago
@seancul55 MARSOC doesnt get tier one access bc the Corps doesnt want to share their talent, not bc they arent good enough. i did all the research before i went in too, and thats why i joined the Corps, no other branch compares, but like your opinion of the seals, its just that, an opinion. i could unleach an array of facts and figures that say so, but you wouldnt give a shit, and i dont care to convince you.
mikeylikesit2675 6 months ago
@mikeylikesit2675 Haha, ok I love how you just dropped the whole OP Redwing thing, and the politics thing cuz you know you're wrong, so then you talk some random shit about MARSOC to cut your losses and try and sound smart about something. Watevs bro. MARSOC has no Tier 1 access because they're young and UNPROVEN, not because they "don't want it." Are you fuckin serious? If I know anything about Marines, I know they're extremely competitive and want to show they're the best. Hard to do that...
seancul55 6 months ago
@seancul55 How long have you spent in the marine corps? Your going to claim to know why MARSOC doesnt have tier 1 access? Or tell me what Marines are like? thats fascinating. Because not only have i served, it was in the Corps, and not as a p.o.g. I never said they didnt want it, ass (howd u get a 94 again?) i said the brass that RUNS the corps didnt want to share their talent with JSOC. Because not only are we competitive, we run the best trained, most efficient, most lethal branch.
mikeylikesit2675 6 months ago
@mikeylikesit2675 No, I don't claim to know why MARSOC doesn't have a Tier 1 unit, but YOU are. You're making up bullshit reasons to inflate your already enormously deranged sense of superiority (ego). The most likely reason (which I brought up) is because MARSOC is like 5 years old. Not long enough to prove themselves. Doesn't mean they'll never have a Tier 1 unit, but right now they aren't on the SEALs and Army SFs level, sorry. Most lethal branch? Navy cruise missiles and planes cause more...
seancul55 6 months ago
@mikeylikesit2675 damage than the Marine Corps, unless of course you're talking about Marine Corps pilots. They cause lots of damage... to their equipment, missions, lives... great history there. Please, speak with a lil more emotion and bullshit, cuz facts and the truth are strangers for you. "Best trained, most efficient, most lethal?" BullSHIT. Air Force/Navy cruise missile strikes, air strikes and Drone strikes have more kills than any other branch, stfu. Ya I forgot, youKNOW the brass right
seancul55 6 months ago
@mikeylikesit2675 without Tier 1 access. Doesn't want to share their talent? They'd have their own contained MARSOC unit just like Delta and DEVGRU, no "sharing." In fact, they CURRENTLY share some of their operators with Delta. Granted, it's very few, but there are some Marines in Delta. If you've done your research, give me some fact, not just opinion. Even your last post was BS and you pullin stuff out your ass. Just remember, your beloved Recon units are taught at NAB Coronado by SEALs...
seancul55 6 months ago
@mikeylikesit2675 Only the elite that crush the ASVAB and PST need enlist with a SEAL contract. All you're doing is conjecture on who's toughest, MARSOC, AFSOC, blah blah blah. You're 90% number is fabricated, you're facts are opinions. Simply put, you're pulling things out of your ass. Sorry to be a dick, but it's true. All you need to know is that MARSOC has no Tier 1 unit, and VERY FEW of their guys are invited to Delta. It's obv that SEALs and Army SF are the top commandos. Period.
seancul55 6 months ago
@seancul55 the coast guard has higher requirements for the asvab than a buds contract, and cct have to become FAA certified air traffic controllers to wear the scarlet beret, along with the swimming, demo, jumping, shooting, the seals do. oh and dont forget all the comm gear, and other tech those guys need to know that most spec ops never touch.
mikeylikesit2675 6 months ago
@mikeylikesit2675 The average SEAL has an 88 AFQT. Did you have an 88 AFQT? Got mine tested last month: 94. The Coast Guard does not require an 88 AFQT last I checked. Your statements on SEAL requirements and whatnot is all BS, no facts. Do some research before you thunder type. SEALS need a 220 or 150 cumulative of certain aspects of the ASVAB like MK, EI, etc. Stop talkin shit bro. All the units are great, but to assert PJs and MARSOC are better is ludicrous.This has been a waste o time.
seancul55 6 months ago
@seancul55 all a seal needs is 55 in GS, MC, and EL, and he passes. which is easy, i did well beyond that, as most reasonably intelligent people would. and to get a AFQT of 70, to get in the coast guard right now (requirements change as recruiting needs specify) youd be right in that ballpark, if you did about that well on all sections of the test.
mikeylikesit2675 6 months ago
@mikeylikesit2675 Honestly, you're wasting everyone's time. You have no facts, all bullshit, and now you're FABRICATING facts. You need a 40 AFQT to enlist in the Coast Guard, bro, and there's waivers even for that. Where you got that 70 number likely cuts turds... THE AVERAGE SEAL HAS AN 88 AFQT ACCORDING TO NAVY RESEARCH TO FIND THE MOST LIKELY INDICATORS OF BUD/S SUCCESS. You're dead as wrong on the SEAL ASVAB requirements too dude. 165+ GS/MC/EI or 220+ VE/MK/MC/CS. Nice try, come again.
seancul55 6 months ago
@mikeylikesit2675 Wasdin. He describes the PJs and CCTs as capable and in good physical shape. However, he also says that they weren't in as good of physical shape as the SEALs and D-boys, and that they weren't as useful in a firefight. They were however, extremely useful for their skills in life-saving and aircraft fire support. Thus, SEALs and Army SF operators often incorporate PJs/CCTs into their Teams for their unique skills, but not to pull triggers and kick in doors. K, peace.
seancul55 6 months ago
@seancul55 its a tooolbox, so all different elements of the community add to it. and yes life saving is something pretty useful, and cct's do alot more than fire support. and when pj's get involved (if they werent on the team to begin with) things have become a goatfuck, so they have neither the initiative or surprise like seals. seals have become quite glamorized lately but for reasons unbeknownst to me. every other tool in the toolbox can do what they do, but they cant do anything special.
mikeylikesit2675 6 months ago
@47lilwill there you go...i've heard of seals and marines that try out thinking thei're the shit...so the instructors go hard on them and soon enough they QUIT...all on their own.
cool right?
leomitz 7 months ago
@S0uthBronX "The most intense training in the military"...
what a fckin JOKE lol.
Ksmitty227 10 months ago
@Ksmitty227 Hahha your Ignorence makes me laugh! You couldnt do any of that shit you lazy ass dumbshitt! Youd shitt youself at the thought of saving someones life, while taking incoming fire, BEHIND enemy lines!
MysteryGuitarMuslimz 10 months ago
@S0uthBronX 4real, and they have a crazy washout rate
KrazeKAM 10 months ago
why do they drowned them?
scoutsniper082794 2 years ago
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They need to check out the website RescueAthlete to get indoc course prep workouts.
KiloMike80 2 years ago
Also, is the water training just as long and hard as navy SEALs training?
IPosidenI 2 years ago
I want to join the PJs, but not too great in water. Any suggestions?
IPosidenI 2 years ago
get better at swimming or get over your fear of water if you have it? idk
ObeseClone 2 years ago
get good in the water. im not a good swimmer either but they will make you a good swimmer. 2 years of training is a long time for you to get good at things before you go on the battle field
jwolfang 2 years ago
PJʻs are Doctors with special forces skills... you guys are AWESOME!!!!!! Top of the line. The "BEST"... : )
cherylz1 2 years ago
Thank you, is CSAR a different branch of a PJ?
TheJosephB123 2 years ago
not its the same thing, CSAR is a term everybody does it, well SF that is
ObeseClone 2 years ago
PJs are highly trained in special ops type combat, they are the only force used to go into rescue in hostile or "denied" zones. training is EXTREMELY hard, highest drop-out precentage rate in the military. rarely are the attached to CCT teams as medics due to their high value
SpoolingDSM 2 years ago
Do PJ's see much combat? or do they mostly go in when the fight is over?
TheJosephB123 2 years ago
PJ's see combat most of the time they go out. if a helicopter gets shot down the PJ's get to kill whoever shot it down and rescue the crew lol. they go out completely alone.
bringtherain5 2 years ago
I got a silly question for any of the special tactics experts out there: Are PJs ever attached to CCT teams as the 'medic' kinda like Corpsmen to the Marines? Just curious, this has been something I always wanted to do.
southernfriedbeans 2 years ago
Your basic is 8 weeks. Then it gets hard... dont think for 1 second the next 2 years of training to be a PJ will be easy in any way shape or form.
socalmck 2 years ago
HH-60s !
MrJoshcrimson 2 years ago
I leave for basic training 13 Oct. and have my spec ops contract for pararescue! Can't wait to get to indoc. Only 10 weeks of suck and then the rest is all down hill!!
whtfire98 2 years ago
You're completely outta your mind if you think the rest is downhill. Do your research, it only get's tougher after INDOC
PJWB21 2 years ago
So you're telling me the cadre basically lied to my face? I'll ask TSgt. Nick Seibel with CCT tomorrow then when I see him.
whtfire98 2 years ago
No. I didn't say that your cadre lied to your face. What I said had nothing to do with your cadre. What I said was it doesn't get any easier when you get out of INDOC.
PJWB21 2 years ago
OHhhhhhh...sorry!!! Any advice on making it through indoc and the pipeline?
whtfire98 2 years ago
If it got tougher after indoc, you'd see higher wash rates. most people wash during indoc. the other trainings include army airborne school and usaf basic survivor school, which I'm sure is no picnic but definitely not as hard as indoc. unless youre a PJ or know a PJ and can say otherwise
RobertWeekes 2 years ago
Combat Dive School is no joke either.
johnnyscans 2 years ago
haha, yeah think its only 8 and hope you enjoy the water...
kingjoe3883 2 years ago
COOL!...I love this stuff. Im an Air Force MOM and this is out of site.
MsCuriousCat 2 years ago
how is this song called pls
lovecirl 2 years ago
ready steady go - poal oakenfold
:) got it when watching collateral hehe
freakybauernhof 2 years ago
definately woulda tried for PJ if i didnt have these things called tits. guess ill just hafta fly you boys into danger instead
xShadowDawnx 2 years ago 2
im joining the air force and this job is 1st on the list of jobs im intrested in. hopefully i can get it!
ghostdogg2009 2 years ago
Last one was just like in Hunt for Red October, that's pretty cool!
stefanmckinley 2 years ago
They look like penguins at 3:32! Must be hard walking off of the ramp with fins on! Cool!
sdopfel 2 years ago
same here
pwneger 2 years ago