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  • Qadainism is all money game

  • brother dont worrie if ther treating you come to swansea wales i will insha allah help you out brother come to swansea mosque on st helens rd or any where else

  • Funny accient when you started reading , may be it was your normal accient and when you are making these videos you are trying to make a Humble and nice accient ,,,funny person you are pure FAKE !

    You are sad very sad person ,,

    Ahmadiyatt Zindabaddd !!

  • @wasiii14 you are praying to Mirza only. do you have doubt, then look the verse of Mirza ghulamul khaddab saying in his writings. "I saw in one of my vision that I myself am God and believed that I am Him." (Kitab-ul-Bariayh, Roohani Khazain vol. 3 p.103)

    read. ? ok then decide who is Mirza? Shaitan no 1. yes. no doubt.

  • THE STARTING MUSIC OF THIS VIDEO SHOWS THE HOBBIES OF SHAHID AND HIS FREINDS.

    ISN'T SHAHID???

  • Brother Shahid

    This is outstanding !!

    

  • ahmadi brothers plz read your books

    ohh you dont have them

  • Mirza is a false prophet coz

    prophet Muhammad said "The appearance of false messengers (30 dajjals) (Bukhari)"

    Allah said in the quran :

    33:(40) Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Messenger of Allah, and the Seal of the Prophets: and Allah has full knowledge of all things.]]

    I just want to warn my brothers & sisters from satan and his demons

    so Muhammad is the last prophet .

  • We should all remember that ALLAH swt told our dear beloved prophet Muhammed pbuh that in the future there will be plenty of trials for the ummah. One being the innovation of the religion which will cause other sects to emerge. If ALLAH himself tells us this then basically its gna happen & it is. In other words what im sayin is we should accept these fake ahmadi's in terms of them being foretold by ALLAH swt. The only thing we shud concentrate on is Salat & being pious within humanity. no??????

  • You r a big liar like a AK shaikh I think he is urs father.

  • he died in TIOLET, and he was a Chistians agent.

  • mirza and you are liyer. not more!

  • ALLAH KI QSAM LANATI HE LAHTE HO

  • hahahaha...lolllzzz stupid effort. go on do whatever u want.

  • @ahmadi1987 filth scum disgusting scum

  • @stealthysheikh shame upon you, Must we stick to religion of our Parents, what could be the outcome of Ibrahim (as) if he were to follow religion of his Parents

  • ahmadiyaa was supported by british goverment during mirza ghulam ahmad time and even now.

  • its simple.

    one eithier believes in god - or doesn't.

    but even simpler than that , god believes in YOU - if you are a good, decent humble person - or do more good deeds than bad ones lol.

    wearing a religion as a badge of honour, or attempting to enforce how 'belief in god' should be, is wrong.

    the universal fact of truth is - god is there, god is fair and god is one and he is the truth.

    surely that is enough for all of us, to stop arguing ?

  • did mirza ghulam die on the toilet? he was put in place by the British and even lost in a court of the british when a confrontation was made by real muslims? do qadiyyanis have to pay 10% of there income to the organisation? i don't know and need answers. i believe them to be a sect similar to the nation of islam? lost,

  • p-2

    [48:11]Verily, those who swear allegiance to thee indeed swear allegiance to Allah. The hand of Allah is over their hands..

    shahidkamal, when you don't know spirituality, why you are trying to explain spiritual revelantion,

    if you think you are doing right interptations then go to any Islam websites and answer the questions of non muslims about Holy Quran,

    don't tell anybody what you dont understand,

  • here is reply for your video,

    [3:125] When thou didst say to the believers, Will it not suffice you that your Lord should help you with three thousand angels sent down from on high?

    [3:126] Yea, if you be steadfast and righteous and they come upon you immediately in hot haste, your Lord will help you with five thousand angels, attacking vehemently.

    con-2

  • May ALLAH GIVE YOU MORE STRENGTH TO GUIDE OTHERS WHO HAVE FORGOTTON THE RIGHT PATH. KEEP IT UP KAMRAN ALLAH IS WITH YOU. AND OTHERS PLEASE GO TO AALIM TO ASK QUESTIONS INSTEAD OF GOING TO STUPID PEOPLE WITHOUT KNOWLEDGE.

    MAY ALLAH GIVE HIDAYT TO ALL QADYANI'S

  • He was a product of British to cotrol the Muslim people in British India, They did it

    in other places too, what a shame to his folowers, he looks like a SIKH , He made money out of this busyness,

  • @AAMUUSA ,U know if u watch videos by Christians & jews bout islam,u'll read the same comments about the Prophet Muhammad(PBUH),which u & other lunatics like u make about the Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (PBUH).in fact this testifies the Truth of Ahmadiyyat coz u r no different from them.Even Hadhrat Ali(May Allah be pleased with him) said that Ulema(Scholars) of that era will be the worst creatures on earth.and u r not even a scholar,just a miserable bunch of filth.

  • he recieved those revelations from tichi tichi, whilst he was doing tatti tatti

  • At least he should have learned to properly write in English before writing his non-sensical lies!

  • Perhaps he received those revelations from his British Raj. After all he was a servant of them!

  • Could he speak and comprehend all those 7 languages? Than man was just insane!

  • "This is absolutely rubbish and illogical thing that the mother tongue of a person is different and the revelation is sent in a different tongue , which he can even not understand, because in this there is too much difficulty in that. And what is the use of such a revelation which is beyond human understanding" (Chashma-e-Ma'arifat p.209, Roohani Khazain vol.23 p.218)

  • mr shahid

    great job

    ALLAH bless u

  • salam

    well done mr shahid kamal

    ALLAH is with u

    lanatullah on all qadianis

  • THANKS FOR being informative...

    knowledge is the key of everything.....

  • Qadianism is kuffer being spread in the guise of Islaam.Let there be no confusion!

    Qadianis cannot prove their so called Messiah MIRZA GHULAM QADIANI was a Muslim,let alone anything else.

    I DARE ANY OF YOU QADIANIS TO PROVE ME WRONG!!!!

  • Its already been proven. there has not been any prophecy which has been proven false.

    You refuse to believe the truth. but you continue to believe in absurdities such as the physical descending of Isa (AS) from the clouds. And he will wear a yellow robe and kill some people or something.

    You think Jesus descended to the heavens, even though there is absolutely no mention of this in the Qu'ran. It is mentioned that he is exalted to a higher status and you interpret it otherwise.

  • THere is not a single prophecy which is not seen as a "metaphor" .This is simple strategy of Mirza which he used to fool millions of muslims.

    Strengthen your Iman and ask ALlah for guidance peace.

  • Yes absolutely Pua8. I have the same opinion. This man made everything symbolic or metaphorical to justify his non-sense. They call a man prophet who did not even ever visit Mecca, Madina and Damascus and yet he called himself Imam Mehdi. I don't know he this guy amassed so many followers, I really can't understand!

  • Oh please! There has been not a single prophecy that was fullfiled. He only spoke lies, lies and lies. His brother in law rightly said, that Mirza created this shop to loot from his followers! Please stop believing in absolute non-sense like this! How can a man become Hazrat Mariam and then give birth to himself? What utter nonsense!

  • Please have a look at some of my other videos for some more of Mirza's ridiculour "revelations", particularly "We Can What We Will Do" and the "Words of Satan" video.

  • U R A SUCH A BIG FOOL

  • Really? Well if that's the case, it says a lot about your wisdom that you're wasting your time with a fool, doesn't it?

  • @shahidkamal hes not 'wasting his time with a fool', hes merely attempting to point out to you sir, that it is his finalised opinion based upon what he thinks you come across to him as, is.

    Shahid - please don't * shudders * slaughter me for any grammatical mistakes. or spelling mistakes LOL :-)

    not a muslim, but finding your vids interesting.

    you'll laugh if i told you why. but that is for later. :-)

  • U were never a Ahmadi..Nice try..

  • You people are very funny. Some of you think I was thrown out. Some of you think I never was one. You're about as consistent as Mirza Ghulam!

  • Actually, we don't know. But from your way of being, I get the feeling you have been bullied a lot in your life (I'm just taking a guess). So you do what most people do: follow the mainstream, which is in your case, non-ahmadiyyat.

    And now you are spreading hatred in stead of love. :)

  • Whereas you are spreading conjecture without knowledge, repeatedly. That's called slander and it's an enormous sin, but then, Qadianism was founded by one of the biggest sinners of all time. It is no surprise that you follow Mirza Ghulam's sunnah.

  • jazakumalahu qeyr brother. goood jobb

  • Dear Ahmadi brothers

    Do not waste your time with such low life individuals. Allah did not wish to keep them in the Jama'at any longer, and we should be thankful to Him for removing such thorns from us. In one video, this person stoops so low to adopt an accent of the Promised Messiah, in order to ridicule him. By any standard, what kind of a Muslim would do that in a video to anyone? Actually what this person really really is to open up his own talkshow, he is not concerned with Islam at all.

  • You have just proved your insanity. Why don't you compare the comments left on some of my posts, regarding sexual acts with my mother and sister to any I've left. Then you'll see who is insane and who is not.

  • The Promised Messiah was received revelations in seven languages. YES

    The majority of the people did not speak all the languages. YES

    However, 'Mr Logic have you not heard of translations? have not heard of explanation of each translation? Or is this beyond your logic and your so called meaning of the "true Islam"

    & for your other point of improper grammer.look @ the translation of the Holy Quran.Does the translated English make grammatical sense? No. so now is the Quran false as well?

  • You're truly insane, aren't you?

  • your calling me insane now? & yet it is the Ahmadis who are leaving rude comments?

    like I said before, your contradict yourself all the time. The things you accuse Ahmadis, are the same things you are doing...

  • You Ahmadies are heretics and Muslims should do everything to stop you people from spreading this heretical non-sense! We Muslims should take the example of Hazrat Abu Bakr who faught against apostates and false prophets! No one is more dangerous to Islam than heretics. Even non-muslims seem benign in respect to you people, who are twisting teachings of Islam!

  • But after that thousands of mosques builded, (3) Once the Prophet(saw) sat with his companions and his holyness turned to Salman Farsi and said, that one of his descendent will bring Iman back to earth when the muslims will move away from the right path. Hazrat Mirza (as) is an relative, not Hazrat Isa (as was jewish, hebraic). (4) I know its difficult to belive, but the Ahmadiyya is truth. A truth spiritual Khilafat more than 100 jearsproofs it. Brothers that if its truth god give you a sign!Ws

  • haha the people here nothing know about Islam. (1) There was never a prophet, who was accepted by the whole world, always people hated him, also Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. (2) Hadhrat Muhammad (saw) is the last lawgiving prophet, with a book, Sharia, The Promised Messiah Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as) is a shadow prophet. Khtamul Nabiyien means the best, highest, biggest prophet and not last. That doens`t make sense, because the Prophet said once "I´m the last prophet and this the last mosque(nabwi)"

  • Oh please, stop preaching your heretical pseudo Islamic faith, which is all based on metaphors. That liar never even went to Madina, Macca or Damascus and called himself Mehdi! huhh! idiot!

  • May Allah bless you!

  • well done brother good work. I hope the ahmediyea wake up to the truth and save them selves

  • Mirza is God

    "I saw in one of my vision that I myself am God and believed that I am Him." (Kitab-ul-Bariayh, Roohani Khazain vol. 3 p.103)

    Now the Question should be, Why are you Qadianis accepting Mirza Ghulam as a Messiah, When he has claimed to be God ?

    Do you people accept his claims, or do you follow him in some and reject others ?

  • shaitankhan?

  • Lanti ,Murtud & Kizab,our us k manny waley bi murtud hey,Ek mirza qadeyani ki waja say bhuhut say loug Jahanam mey jayn gey,afsoos hey,Allha Ahmadeyo ku hidayet dhey aamin , Mirza Kizab was not a Mahdi our Nauz billha "Mohammad" ul sani?He was mently ill & sick,Allha ki us par Lant hu our us k many waloun Gumrahu par bi ,AAimin

  • Shahid,

    Your religion starts with the kind of music famous being played in [Kanjerion kay Kothay pay]  [prostitutes ] yet you claim that you have become Muslim now?

    You are claping to your music master who after mujray start his preaching.

    Remember this......

    ANY THING DONE

    LONDON

    WELL DONE

  • How do you know that the music Shahid has in the start is famous and kanjarion ka kothay pay?

    Do you go to kanjarion ke kothay often?

    doesn't ur caliph chawal gashti ki aulad doesn't he like to look at girl's private parts while in public?

    go die you fucking swine, and take ur cult with you

  • mashallah brother you are on the wright path allah may help you for your good work keep it up brother

  • Lant hu Mirza Kizab par,us k manny waloun par,Mirza was a shit person but mirzai called him ...Nabi?kon sa nabi?us ku nabi sabat karny k lay Quran e pak ki aayat ku chang karny ki koshesh ki jate hey.nauz billah,us jesy paled insan par tu thukna b nahi chahy tum Mirzai Kasedy parte hu?Islam nam hey Mohammad S.A.W k Den ka,tum log den e islam say mazak karte hu?Mohammad S.A.W ka nam or Den e islam ku ley kar Mirza k pechy chalte hu?Yeh kesa islam hey Mirzayio?Nabi Karim S.A.W is last Nabi

  • u can tag with other two farhan and make more videos

  • jazakallah khayr ya ukhti

  • Salaam, could you give me the reference for the quote from Rohaani Khazain? If possible, which line it starts and ends on too. Thanks.

  • wslm - all the references are given in the film! Did you watch it? (Remember, the quotes are taken from a compilation of Mirza's prophecies by the Ahmadiyya. I bought the book from them directly. It's also available for download from their site.)

  • On 1 min 54 secs you read out a passage from Rohaani Khazain, that is the reference I would like. Which volume and which page? (this is not given) thank you.

  • Try Chashma-e-Ma'arifat p.209, Roohani Khazain vol.23 p.218.

    Remember, the Ahmadiyya moves these references around from time to time to throw people. Let me know if you find it. If you don't, I will re-locate it for you, insha'Allah.

  • bro shahid havnt seen ur new videos in while

  • I know bro, I've been planning one for a while, but I haven't got around to it. Been busy on thecult(dot)info and other stuff.

  • I myself am from bangladesh where there is the highest population of ahmadiya's and i believe that they should not have any right to preech their scriptures and they should be abolished from the county. If you try to contradict Quran and Sunnah then you must be in a state of Kufr.

  • Look at how this kaafir exploits the murder of Muslims to promote his own brand of hatred.

  • face it, you are a heretic and Islam's worst enemies are heretics!

  • Oh sorry brother, I took you for a qadiani, so please ignore my previous comment :)!

  • Do you have any idea what a huge mistake you made? Please be incredibly careful before making such accusations. You simply cannot go around calling people heretics and Islam's worst enemies, particularly when they are doing Islam a service. We should strive to follow the sunnah of Rasulullah (saw). He took the middle path and was moderate in all things and always thought carefully before speaking. We can't always be perfect, but we should try harder, insha'Allah.

  • No, I was not saying you to be heretic, I was pointing to the qadianis. I mistakenly took you for a qadiani but later realized that u were the one who post this video. You agree with me, these people are heretics, don't u?

  • You're still taking calling me a heretic (even mistakenly) lightly. It is the Muslim way to seek the forgiveness of Allah (SWT) when one makes such an enormous mistake. Do you have any idea how enormous a mistake it is in Islam to incorrectly make takfeer on somebody? Please watch my other videos and please visit thecult(dot)info - and look at the blog and the forum if you want to know more.

  • PersonOfBook,

    Mirza Qadyani was a tooth paste tube. His sone bashir Ahmed kept pressing him and Mirza kept oooooozing from his rear end till he died in the latrine.... end of story...

  • "horrendous abuse"?? Have any Muslims shed the blood of those who wished to belive differently? Did Muhammad SAW do so- did Ahmad AS do so, Whereas sunnis and shiites do so without remorse by the hour and maybe even the minute or second- and U SaY AHMADI Muslims are this and that- DOg u wakkk (with three k's);)

    Look around brotther!? Visit Palestine, Paksitan, India, Indonesia, Bangladesh, Israel, Libya, Lebanon, Iraq, iran, And ull see hate!

    "Before you do the math u better learn how to add"

  • you're an idiot

  • this guy is ugly lol

  • You Qadianis are so intelligent and witty!

  • MashaAllah brother May Allah bless you

  • MashaAllah Brother thank Allah

  • lol - how rediculous - ever heard of typos? perhaps not becuase "muslims" like you are so senseless and filled with hate - the only thing feasible for you is to seek technical errors- and try to mislead people through those. and by the way your ENG is terrible itself. i've met a lot of ahmady muslims and muslims frm other sects and all of them are very kind - but it's people like you who stir hatred and violence.

  • congratulation brother. allahuakbar

  • Muhammad committed solecisms in Arabic which were then SANCTIFIED by time and tradition. And Shahid, what is worse? God talking babu English or God 'revealing' that Muhammad, on second thoughts, could have a couple of extra wives since he was on his seventh wife already, which yes, let me see, is a bit more than four, innit? Btw, the Ahmadi's I know are nice and relaxed people, not that the other Muslims aren't, but some of the more zealous ones seem to be continually angry. Smthng wrong there.

  • BesACB, look around, you'll see lots of angry Qadianis too.

    Anyway, you're widening the scope of discussion, this youtube video isn't the place to address your points.

    "babu English" lol

  • Prophet MOhammad (PBUH) is known to have received Ilham in Farsi language. Moreover The Holy Quran is full of non-Arabic words. "Inspirations beyond human comprehension" is common to sacred literature, Alif, Lam Mim, QAF, SSAD etc. Just to mention the the Quran for the sake of brevity.

  • assalamualaikum, to everyone who follows the truth.

    i would like to say that the ahmadiyyas are wrong because the last revelation was given to the prophet and the prophet said that he was the last prophet and in the quran Allah says that many times. want proof send back ill tell u the verse and number of the hadith.

    and in the quran allah says there can nothing be worse than a person who claims that he was revealed to and he wasnt.

    so may allah keep u on the straight path brother.

  • hi qari, can you please give me these quranic verses and hadith, to elaborate your evidence and more importantly make it authentic. can you also clarify why prophet(Saw) said the messiah would be a prophet of god four times?

  • This is not a grammar issue. Do you love Allah (SWT)? He created you, yes? Would you not want to take care in writing the name of our Creator? Please do read your message again. Who is spreading hatred? Where?

  • Listen my Qadiani "friend", if you want to converse with me, or even communicate with human beings, you are going to have to learn to write English, not gobbledygook that cannot be understood. Who is "allahg" by the way, is that a new Mirza god, like "Yalaash"?

  • Shahid you are just a lost soul who is angry that you were kicked out of jamat and you are not part of a great community like Ahmadiyyat. Jalloo aur Sarooo!!!! and you will never be able to stop the spread of original Islam by Ahmadiyya.

  • You are entitled to your opinion, but I can tell you with certainty that you are not speaking the truth. If you think you are really Islam, then surely, you wouldn't want to slander anyone would you? Then why slander me? Why say I was kicked out of the jama'at when that is a patent falsehood that can be verified very easily?

  • Your name is NOT Shahid Kamal.

  • Please watch the rest of my videos for an explanation on that. Please note, his name was not "Ahmad" - it was "Ghulam Ahmad".

    The translators made a mistake alright, they tried to cover up his mistakes and they made him sound even more ridiculous!

  • shahisatan youshould read mirza books first. merza come from allah.

  • I hope you don't say this joke again.

  • It is revealing that ekkobi says "Ahmadiyyat Zindabad" after his string of baseless ad hominem attacks *before* saying "Islam Zindabad". Proof, if ever it was needed, that Ahmadiyyat is a separate religion, a parasite attempting to steal the glory of Islam whilst denigrating Muslims.

  • Brother Ikram - you are not wrong! :)

  • Garfield! ROFL!

  • Great argument brother. You make perfect sense!!!

  • Qaddanis are Kuffar. Muslim is someone who believes in the Oneness of God and the Prophecy of Mohammed

  • Ahmadis are Kaafir, but they claim to believe in both of those.

  • Asslamao alaikum wa Rahmatullah wa Barakatohu. Brothers, firstly I apologise for any abusive approach my AHmadi Cos. took. Secondly, I was a Sunni Muslim for the most part of my life (till now). Many doubts, many questions left as questions. Today the state of the 'Ummah' is proof for where I was. Only through Ahmadiyyat did I perceive Quranic teachings indepth and with rational implication. Try Ayyaz Khan's videos on 'Khatme Nabuwwat' and try a rational reply to it. JazakAllah Wassalam.

  • u look like shatan...

  • LOL! Love for all, hatred for none, eh? :-)

  • Thank you for this video Shahidkamal!!!

  • should we mention Mirza Bastard's name with respect.if i abuse your father then will you call me Hazrat ?

    mirza called all the muslims zane bazuru ki aulad,wald haram,harami.and the qadianies are proud of it.

    so i ask all the muslims to mention "harami" with his name.mirza harami or mirza bastard.

  • salam bro, lol great video keep exposing these kaffirs.

  • Alhamdulillah, all is well and jazakallah khayr for your efforts. Sorry it has taken me so long to do more.

    You know, the problem with doing videos on Qadianism is that there is just SO MUCH of Mr Mirza's stuff to cover that one scarcely knows where to begin!

  • i have been asking this question to qadianis but nobody answers, again i am asking , where did ghulam ahmed die?

  • He died at Lahore on 26 May 1908.

  • lol

    this video is hilarious

  • mashallah brother may allah bless you

  • may Allah Bless you! brother

  • Brother you are talking sense less

  • I believe MehmoodAhmed's comment speaks for itself. LOL!!! Most of these people seem to get their English from the same school that produced the classic "We can what we will do".

  • As anything, they have to be weaned off of this cult, and understandably so. Difficult to crack since this is inherent from childhood. But, as we Muslims do, we must continue to ask questions about our faith and look for answer. For me, I have found them all and it only strengthens my faith. Use this tactic with the Ahmadis and you start breaking them.

  • Excellent and well thoughtout rebuttals brother, very coherent. Alhumdullilah I have been able to convert someone out of this cult with simple and presistent reasoning on the unnecessary and irrelevance of the imposter.

  • nice work brother, keep exposing these foolish people,

  • proud to be ahmadi

    not a terrorist

  • I see, any Muslim who disagrees with you is a "terrorist", the favourite catch-word of your imperialist masters, including the Zionists. No wonder the ummah hates you people. No wonder.

  • Say: "If the whole of mankind and Jinns were to gather together to produce the like of this Qur'an they could not produce the like thereof, even if they backed up each other with help and support. (Al-Isra' 17:88)

  • General Muslims have shot themselves in the foot because of 2 Quranic words. RAFA & Nazool for Essa. Mullah's have spinned RAFA 2 mean Physical exaltation & Nazool for Physical descent. Know this with TAQWA Holy Quran uses NAZOOL for Holy Prophet PBUh & u pray daily WARAFANI. r u praying for physical exaltation?

    Promised Messiah (AS) has challenged to bring out even a false Hadith that Jesus is alive. U cannot. Then come hither!

  • mirza was a kafir

  • Mirza died with Haiza(Cholera)and he asked for this type of death from Allah Taala, when he accepted Mubahila with Moulana Sana Ullah Amritsari Sahib, so Mirza Tahir died with brain hammerage after accepting Mubahila challange from Moulana Ilyas Sattar Sahim in 1999. Allah known that who is laier.

  • Well there are lot of allegation made against quran but the thing is in 1400 years no body came up with genuine allegation ur talking about liers and ignorant ppl who twist the word of God and stupid ppl like follow such ppl blindly learn arabic and then read quran its a miracle of miracle Alhamdolillah

  • astagfirullah these ahmadiyas are so misguided may allah guide them to the truth.

  • great struggle brother. happy to hear about you.

  • It's beyond the scope of a 500 character comment system on a video site to discuss the nature of revelation in detail and also not my remit! These videos are about the lies of MGA. For a wider discussion, there are other avenues. Sorry I can't be of more help.

  • naamheem - no, there are no obviously fake revelations in the Qur'an. Mirza on the other hand, had loads of obviously absurd "revelations" that only a charlatan could defend.

  • @shahid..u r wrong, u did not see the allegation made against Islam, they r same as u alleged against Ahmadies!! e.g. read this allegation against Islam "What evidence do you have that a man like muhammad could be or should even be considered a prophet of any reasonably good deity, and what evidence do you have that Quran is divine" made by Ali Sina

  • Ah - another Islam hater. Great, that's all we need.

  • Brother, let's not swear at Qadianis because we are NOT going to give them excuses to defame Muslims and our behaviour. Mirza Qadiani has abused and cursed Muslims - but we are not going to - even if his followers have NOT realized the truth about their Messiah's foul mouth yet.

  • But it is NOT grammatically incorrect technically. You have failed to address the most important point. I will make it again:

    1) Arabic --> English: Requires interpolation due to differences in grammar between languages

    2) English --> English: Requires NO interpolation unless the original was WRONG!

  • And thank you for your time too. Feel free to call me Shahid. I wish you the best of luck in your exams. Don't worry, all of this will still be here after!

    All the best!

  • I would love to understand what you were saying if you could communicate it properly. Surely, your MSc would help you achieve that goal? The above qualifier was certainly not implicit. Your sentence was complete and unqualified. You are backtracking because I've caught you. Read your WHOLE message again!

  • mrleholloway, please, address the whole "revelation", compare the context, determine intent and then come back to me with a partial google match to a partial construct.

  • mrleholloway, for someone doing a masters in English, you are having a great deal of difficulty in trying to get your point across. This most recent point of yours has been more than adequately rebutted. Let's reccap:

    1) Arabic -> English: Requires interpolation

    2) English -> English: Requires NO interpolation

  • Do you know why words are added in italics? Do you know Arabic grammar? If you don't, then there is no point us even discussing this!

    You cannot translate the Qur'an. It is perfect in Arabic. You can, however, render a translation of its meaning to another language, imperfectly. To achieve this goal, one needs to interpolate. The interpolation is important because we are going from one language to another with different grammatical constructs.

  • Wow. 20 minutes ago your view was:

    "What I am saying is even in Arabic the Quran it is ungrammatical technically"

    Now it is:

    "The Quran IS PERFECT. SO IS ITS GRAMMAR."

  • If that's your point then you are obviously confused. Good grammar is good grammar and Mirza's cannot be defended - because he attributed Punjabi English to God!

  • Well I'm glad you have done that, but clearly you have missed all the places in which your arguments have been rebutted. Thank you for being so polite though, you are by far the best mannered Ahmadi I have encountered here. Thank you for that!

  • It is an old orientalist idea that you are repeating. Only enemies of Islam claim that Qur'anic Arabic, the WORD OF GOD ALMIGHTY, is not grammatical. Do you actually know Arabic? I am studying it and I refer to the best teachers of Arabic around constantly. We cannot continue a discussion when you are so devoid of the facts, but I would be happy to converse with you on email if you wish to disabuse yourself of some of your strange notions, insha'Allah.

  • Oh, but I *have* considered the time period Mr Le Holloway and I *do* know the language. Your defense would not stand up in court. And if you knew your history, you would know that we are talking about the era of Queen Victoria. Elizabeth I preceded Victoria by over two centuries. Elizabeth closed the Tudor era and Victoria closed the Hanover era. I studied English and Indian history. BTW - explain "words of God not can exchange"

  • mrleholloway, your example works only because this is a modern and lazy construct. This is not how God would reveal English. And you are missing something very important, this is a man, Mirza, who is obviously projecting his poor English onto God, using typical Punjabi mistakes.

  • mrleholloway: The difference is that the Qur'an was revealed in Arabic. Mirza was claiming the revelations in English, I do hope you have watched the video and are following the thread, this has all been covered.

  • "Lanatullahay aalal kazaybeen" WHAT KIND OF MUSLIM YOU ARE SHAHID KAMAL, IF U CANT SPEAK TRUE DONT SPEEK LIE,LOOK AT UR FACE THE WORD "LAANAT"IS USED IN QURAAN ONLY THE PEOPLE LIKE U.

  • great vid!

  • Mirza Ghulam had no divine mission except to fulfil the political designs of the British colonialists to divide Muslims in the India subcontinent (These are the facts from the historical books

  • More Loyal Than the King: Mirza Ghulam regarded the British rule in India subcontinent as a great blessing of God. He exhorted his followers to extend all cooperation to them as in that lay their salvation and pleasure of God. To fire cannons and sway arms were regarded as exclusive privileges of the British Imperialists ...

  • . Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Sitara-e-Qaisarya 1899, P. 4. How anxious he was to receive appreciation of his work from Her Gracious Majesty the Queen Empress can be noted in his revealtion: On 4 October 1899 it was

    revealed to him 'Thanks From Queen Victoria' Report of the Misionary Conference London held at New York 1888, P. 319.

  • Galina Nikitina, The State of Israel, Moscow, 1973 P. 15

    William B.Ziff, The Rape of Palestine, London, 1948 P.14 R.F. Gould History of Freemasonry, London

    'Thanks From Queen Victoria' (Tazkira P. 341). In a vision he saw the Queen had come to his house in Qadian (Tazkira P. 327)

    Mir Qasim Ali Qadian, Tabligh -e-Risalat (A collection of the Mirza's posters handbills etc) Vol V. Qadian, 1922 P. 6 See also his petition to the Viceroy of India , 1st January, 1896 Tabligh-i-Risalat Vol, V P. 11

  • Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Sitara-e-Qaisarya 1899, P. 4. How anxious he was to receive appreciation of his work from Her Gracious Majesty the Queen Empress can be noted in his revealtion: On 4 October 1899 it was

    revealed to him 'Thanks From Queen Victoria'77. Report of the Misionary Conference London held at New York 1888, P. 319

  • This is proven that the Qadiani danced to the tunes of his British masters. Mirza Qadyani was the mouthpiece of Imperialism and had no divine mission except to fulfil the political designs of the British colonialists.(These are the facts from the historical books, nothing is made up) Reality of Qadyani Cult and Mirza Ghulam Qadyani. alhafeez org

  • mirza abuses and wrong propechies are very well known to every one :)

  • subhanallah! praise be to Allah who guided you. brother dont listen to all these hell-bound ahmadis, they will be dragged into Hellfire along with their pig-leader mirza ghulam ahmed who died in his own shit. sorry for the language but that is the truth

  • don't worry brother, bad language can be forgiven, but the kind of disgusting, ummah-hating, kaafir garbage talk of Mirza and his followers along with their uneducated, hypocritical and disgusting beliefs cannot.

  • true brother. May Allah have mercy on you and reward you for showing people the falsehood of this cult over here. atleast these people talking here wont be able to say to Allah on the day of judgement that we didnt know. whom Allah leads astray no one can guide. Peace

  • did he really die in his own shit?

  • you pathetic moron!!...hahahahah....this cannot be serious, you expect to learn the Holy Quran from this guy...if that is the case you might as well join the crazy Mullahs which have hijacked much of the Muslim world...A pathetic performance to say the lease, you idiot! great minds i.e. Ch Zafarullah Khan, Dr. Abdus Salam were Ahmadi Muslims and you expect us to listen to your absurd psycho babble...

  • @pleasewelcome: The only reformer is Allah; I don't certainly need to kiss the hands of Mirza Masroor and feel reformed - just as most of u Qadianis do after having a "molaqat" with 'Hazoor'! As for Mirza Sahib's death; plz have a thorough look into the chapter of 'Seerat-ul-Mehdi' (written by Mirza Sahib's son) that discusses Mirza's death - I believe it's page 109 of 'Seerat-ul-Mehdi'.

  • 33.40:Muhammad is not the father of any of your men but (he is) the Apostle of Allah and the Seal of the Prophets:

    and Allah has full knowledge of all things.

    Holy Prophet Muhammad. categorically mentioned in many Hadith that he is the Last Messenger and Prophet of Allah, and there will be no Prophets after Him. For instance:

  • jazakallah kharian!!!

  • Mirza Sahib Qadiani died of stomach problems; he's ur prophet isn't he? Oh yah, we're fake because we follow the most special and best guided creation of Allah (i.e. Muhammad "saw") and do not follow someone whose death was even so disgraceful! Show me another prophet whose last moments were spent in the toilet? That happened only to Mirza because he was the fake; not the followers of Rasoolullah (saw).

  • Salam!

    @h4tabs: your remarks r full of anger and