I’m skeptical about this story for a few reasons. Taker was still married to the same woman until 1999 and broke character to an extent to acknowledge her by her initials at the 1996 Slammy Awards. Brian Lee was also brought back as Chainz in 1997-1998. Even if the story said Taker didn’t find out till years later, I question when this could have happened. In the months before and during the Underfaker storyline, Undertaker was at home while Brian Lee was on the road as the Fake Undertaker.
Unless its stated as FACT, or you work with wrestlers or in the wrestling industry im afraid (with myself included) we are ALL smart marks...we think we know about the industry because we watch wrestling, read wrestling, have a passion for wrestling, but we all are just marks...
@SNMuniverse Taker is a liar, think about it, how many times has he told people they would Rest In Peace and yet they continue to wrestle and fued with him afterwards
My first time knowing, watching and getting into wrestling was in 1994 Summerslam with Brian Lee "Underfaker" and Undertaker fighting in that amazing match. I was 6 years old.
Piss poor move on his part being a friend and as a consequence Brian Lee's wrestling Career rest in peace, only reason I said anything is because I had a couple of friends who did that same shit to me and they are suffering as we speak, I don't fuck with them no more they don't exist.
He wasn't in Raven's Flock, he was in the Triple Threat. Also, pretty sure in ECW it wasn't called it the Flock, it was Raven's Nest. The Flock was WCW
What about the fact Brian Lee was driving drunk and when pulled over by the police he claimed to be The Undertaker. That alone would be reason enough to fire him. I actually liked him but that was a bad judgement call on his part.
@KurtKokaine1 Got to LOVE how disrespectful sacks of shit shimmy out of the woodwork and ask fucking stupid and rude questions when they have the entire fucking internet at their disposal to answer those idiotic questions. Who the fuck is Brian Lee? Who the fuck are you and why should anyone care?
@geocoop60 I think Brian Lee was best man at the Undertaker's 1st wedding. He also messed around with Taker's 1st wife during or after his run as Chainz. And that ended around late 98, early 99.
Of all the shoots ive seen, there are few, if any that bury(pun intended) taker...Either, they know better or he is just so well respected all around...maybe both
@parabolakiller Ive met him in person and hes a really nice guy, ive heard stories from wrestlers personally about him and they all say that for being the big motherfucker that taker is and having the menacing gimmick he is like the nicest guy you could ever be around
@Darion1A Of course he plays nice in person to someone who doesn't threaten his spot on the roster. I remember Undie on commentary talking shit about The Rock of all people saying "That guy can only cut a promo if he has his writers telling him what to say" on an episode of Raw. Funny considering WWE creative handed him a gimmick where all he had to do was no sell and act like he was too stupid to feel pain. For every example you have where Undie was nice, I have ten where he was a dick.
@TheEnviousdominous That was on Raw. The Rock and Undertaker of a great deal amount of respect for each other. The Rock discusses that in his book and I have heard shoot interviews where Taker speaks very highly of The Rock.
@romans52345 Good god, you're stupid. Indeed Orton had said that, and Undie said it as well. The difference is that Undie said it when he was on commentary during an episode of Raw. You might want to sit down for this bombshell, many performers have accused the Rock of being nothing without his writers. By the way, Undie and JBL hazed the shit out of the new talent when WCW was bought and used backstage politics to create the illfated invasion angle.
@TheEnviousdominous Triple H Burried the the WCW talent when WWF bought out WCW not Taker, Yes Taker said that on commentary during a Raw but that was part of the storyline, you knew wrestling was fixed didn't you?
@romans52345 I don't know how someone can be as fucking stupid as you. This is where I start looking for cameras to make sure I'm not part of an elaborate prank. A fucking idiot has just asked me if I know that wrestling is faked, in regard to an Undie shoot that he had previously denied ever even happened. Do you realize, in that empty fucking head of yours, that when you attempted to correct me by stating that Randy was the one who bashed Rocky you were denying what Undie said?
@TheEnviousdominous Taker never said that only on commentary which is part of a storyline , and stop calling him Undie it is Taker..You're Probably still pissed when Taker didn't give you an autograph..
@romans52345 I'm arguing with a botched abortion. You're pulling at fucking straws kid, go look that up for a perspective on how shit stains like you argue. I'm pissed that talents like DDP and Lance Storm were kicked out because asshats like Undie would fold their arms and shake their heads saying "These guys just can't draw Vince.". Undie made those comments when he decided, as a reaction to an upcoming job he'd have to do for Rocky, to shoot on commentary.
@TheEnviousdominous Back in WCW He Burried DDP, and when Vince bought out WCW in 2001 DDP came to WWF and was getting a Big push and then when Flair came to WWF in late 2001, DDP only had a few month run and left mid 2002 because Flair burried Him...
Lance Storm couldn't talk his way out of a fight with a six-year old. For Christ sake the WWF tried to even work his lack of skills into a gimmick in an attempt to save him. DDP was a decent promoter/manager who found himself a grove by being the first person to turn away from the NWO, but he only had two good matches, and one of them wasn't even aired. Taker did say they couldn't draw and guess what, up north, they couldn't draw.
@diedahero If the WWE wanted Lance to be good on the mic, he would have been allowed to be. Lance was infinitely more talented in the ring than most of the idiots they forced him to work with, and his biggest mistake was telling the younger talent to tell Undie and JBL to fuck off. Their intention was to make the WCW wrestlers look horrible so they could blame them for the dip in the ratings. Think about it, what performers that were acquired from the buyout became big?
I agree, Lance's skills in the ring were par-none. But if you can't work the stick, then you'll never be able to be a top tier guy. Hell you'll never be a second tier guy without mic skills. He couldn't talk in WcW, and he couldn't talk in the WWF. Plain and simple. As far as Austin goes, creative did give him Chilly McFrezze and 20 other names and gimmicks that were just as bad, I read Have a Nice Day too, but the also let him hit the boss with a chair.
@diedahero If the creative department wants you to be a boring Canadian, you'd do it to as long as Friday's check comes in. Bret Hart couldn't cut a decent promo when he beat Flair, if you supposedly have no mic skills but are a general in the ring they can make that work. The idea they wanted to plant in our heads was that Lance was boring on the Mic AND in the ring.
As for subliminally trying to plant the idea that Lance was boring in-ring as well? You're grasping at straws. Bert got pushed because of his last name, in-ring ability, and the way the crowd popped. Kid's loved Bret, like they do now with Cena, and the office likes kids.
And Austin saying 3:16 wasn't scripted, but creative and Vince let him shoot, what do you think that shows? Maybe that they knew he could be a top talent and to let him rip?
They could have buried Steve if they wanted. The Ringmaster gimmick all but put one of his feet out the door as is, but creative still wanted to revamp him for a second go, hence the King of the Ring push. You can't say they wanted someone to fail for politics when they pushed the guy to the moon. Besides, Vince gave the NWA (ECW) talent and money, which Paul and Todd both admit. Why would they care about Austins ties? Internet rumors are lame.
@diedahero It's no internet rumor that HHH was supposed to win the KotR in question, he was being punished however for breaking kayfabe when Hall and Nash left. Austin was picked to win instead, but the writers didn't tell him to drop the bomb he dropped afterward. Austin became the guy who, try as he might, could NOT be hated so he became the right guy at the right time after the Montreal incident to put asses in seats. The Steve Austin character was ECW's in the first place.
@diedahero The idea from day one was to bury Austin by having him job to "stronger" talent like Savio Vega, but keep him around to play the role of the guy who makes "good" guys look better than they actually were.
Hunter was buried, (in fact he was forced to fight a dark match that night) which led to Austin's win, but they could've let Mero win if they wanted to thump Austin down to pump another non-talent up, as you've stated. Hell, Vader was in that KotR too. You think Vince wouldn't have preferred a monster to win if Hunter wasn't? It was going to be Austin, HHH but HHH fucked himself so creative went with their next best option for a rising star.
@diedahero Good grief. Look at this from the standpoint of WWE creative, whoever won the KotR of the three people in question, it was supposed to happen as a means of making the fans hate that individual more. HHH was supposed to win like a jerk and be the top heel for Bret, Austin was the next best guy to draw heat and it made more sense creatively (as Vader was supposed to win the belt later anyway) to have Austin take advantage of an "injured" Jake the Snake.
Yes, and? We weren't discussing if this was a heel push or a babyface push. You said they were trying to bury Austin for his NWA/ECW connection and my point was pushing him to the moon was a strange way to bury a guy. Taker didn't stunt DDP growth because there was nothing to stunt, Lance was a terrible stick man, and Austin was anything but buried. You can find a real conspiracy under almost every rock in wrestling. There's no need to invent them.
@diedahero My point obviously went over your head. Austin was allowed to win KotR, but that wasn't supposed to earn him a push. They wanted to bury, but they were stuck with someone who was selling tickets better than anyone else at a crucial time during the Monday Night Wars. They let him be as big as we perceived him to be, unlike HHH and Rocky who were being groomed from day one to carry the belt. I wanted to avoid saying this, but you're a fucking idiot. Don't set up the straw man.
Dude, you're saying that the creative team and Vince wanted to bury the single biggest star in the history of wrestling and you're calling me an idiot. They put him in an angle where he literally told the boss to go fuck himself and beat him up almost every night. To say they weren't grooming him is retarded. He was a thirty-two year old man by the time he came into the WWF, not a home grown talent. They saw he could be a star and pushed him. lol.
@diedahero I'm saying you're an idiot because you keep drawing fucking stupid conclusions and pull another obscure argument out of your ass to avoid addressing amy of my previous points. Vince wanted to keep Steve Williams, otherwise known as the Ringmaster, in the mid-card. The Stone Cold nickname was made up by his first wife, and the Stone Cold character was innovated in ECW, they don't "groom" people by having no involvement in their gimmick. They had no idea of how well he could draw.
I'm the one saying obscure arguments and yet you're the one talking about his name change, and rumors about how Vince wanted him to be a mid-cardered.He was given like 20 names to shift through, like every other wrestler. His wife did say the famous your tea is about to get stone cold line, but that's your proof? So they wanted to bury Mick Foley too with all the ideas for his name change? And Hunter? And Vader? You're kinda ridiculous.
@diedahero I'm arguing with a fucking fifth grader. His name change applies because it wasn't part of a plan to push him, his character applies for the same reason. I made those points because you're bent on the bullshit that from day one they planned his entire career as being as successful as it was. I wasn't making the point that they wanted to "bury" him for suggesting his own nickname, that's either setting up the straw man or you're too fucking stupid to comprehend at a elementary level
You're right dude. They wanted to bury the biggest star in the company because he was NWA (even though they worked with ECW/NWA) Lance was on his way to becoming the next Shawn but the cut his feet out from under him because he was EX WcW (even though he argued a bit like you) and DDP was put up to fail just because Taker didn't think he was over enough (even though DDP was a manger who had two good matches, one of which wasn't televised.)
@diedahero Kid, look up "setting up the straw man" as a fallacy in arguments. That's what you're doing, and I'm pretty sure that you don't even realize it. I never said that they wanted to "bury" him, bury is a term that smark shit stains like you toss around, I said that they didn't want to push him for reaching mild stardom in NWA. My point about Lance was that he was treated unfairly, you made up the part about Shawn Michaels (dipshit). You're a gullible fucking smark, wait five years.
I learned in debate years ago, when one side turns to insults, which you did about 6 post ago, they know they've been bested and are now trying to win an argument by bullying. Call me all the childish names you want, I'm not the one believing in some ludicrous conspiracy about the evil creative team in the WWF. And then you call me a smark for using the terms you set up, (They wanted to bury, but they were stuck with someone who was selling tickets)lol
@diedahero I used the term "bury" because you had just used it and at that point I didn't realize how desperate you'd become to emphasize the point of "I never give the last word", you kept using it and it got annoying, I didn't set it up you fucking idiot. When you feel the pain of having to trade points with someone as fucking stupid as you, you'll have a hard time telling that individual that they're a moron. Instead of arguing an actual point you resort to the "You insulted me" tactic.
@diedahero And that is why you're a fucking idiot. You take a point and instead of offering a logical argument you choose to present, as best as your imagination could, a scenario where my idea might look silly to the few people in this world who may actually take you seriously. You should be thanking me for the time I've wasted on you.
@diedahero Do you remember the DDP Undie fued? It was an infomercial for why Undie was so awesome and his (then) nasty wife. DDP, a guy who was married to Kimberly was supposedly stalking the sagging sack of toothpicks that Undie had tattooed on his neck. Then they finally fight, and Undie squashed him because at that point he and Vince thought the Invasion angle would be a big success so long as the end result was a waste of the fans ticket money.
@diedahero Booker T is the only guy who went from being a buyout acquisition to a main eventer, and they made him look like a horse's ass for it. They didn't want Austin to become anything because he was considered an NWA guy, if they had their way then he would have been Chilly McFreeze (true story) and would have worn a blue durby hat to the ring. Think of how many guys had to bow to WWE creative just so you could determine that their flaws were completely their own.
Just to clear up some details, since the two douchebags on this show don't seem to actually know much about wrestling or be able to hit Wikipedia and talk at the same time. Lee is indeed cousins with the Harrises and according to Wiki at least, his full name is Brian Lee Harris. Also, he wrestled in TNA under the Brian Lee name and won the tag belts while there.
When Brian Lee was in TNA he had some real success with that team but I remember he was freakishly thin looking, like he had liposuction or something.
Taker said himself something to the effect "Many guys were monogamous when on the road. I tried to be but I couldn't I had a wife but I was too into the undertaker character, I even dressed in all black all the time," so he did his dirt too. I mean I don't believe in cheating on a significant other, but when both parties in the relationship did it, well how can a person get more angry at one and not at the other.
@PhillyGirl1 in SOME cases that MAY be true...but in almost every shoot i have... and i have alot ... as honkytonk man said it.. (mocking "Oh i am a family man..i dont cheat... BULLSHIT... Whos fucking family were YOU IN LAST NIGHT?!" Alot of the wrestlers go on the road and are away from there others or not so others.. and will fuck the ring rats that come to the shows..in MOST cases.
@seanboy97 LOL funny you say that.. cuz on the brickhouse brown shoot he tells a story about how bill dundee,went over to taker.and said , hey mate why you gonna marry that fucking rat, mate.. shes fucked this guy and that guy, so why you wanna mess with that? Taker responded by one handed lifting bill off the ground against the wall with his legs dangling.. and Taker said.. I know who she WAS and she dont do that no more later on taker divorced her, giving her a million to go fuck off
First time I've ever heard about this. Probably the last time too since the Taker wouldn't like this becoming common knowledge. Still, in the absence of proof...
Brian Lee was a little too small to be a true giant. Undertaker wasn't anywhere near the legend then too. He was what, 5 years with the company? So he wasn't w a backstage judge yet either. He had stroke but not enough to kill Brians career. No gimmick ever stuck for him and he wasn't that great on the mic.
@printoner He was a major draw back then though, the crowd reaction when Undertaker walked to the ring was amazing to become a legend happens over time, but in 1994 I'd say he was one of the most popular superstars in WWE
i always remember hearing that Chainz was gonna be getting a big push in late 97 around the time Crush, Bulldog and all those others guys quit around the time of the Screwjob thing.
@theworldisquare you know that he wrestled over ten year right.to make it in a buisness for 10 years plus is an achievement most will never experience,workin odd jobs for bum paychecks sucks,so what guys only make 2,3,4,or 5 hundred bucks for at most 20 or 30 minutes of work, pretty sweet.kinda puts your life and mine to shame id bet.an indy guy that has a name can make 30 or 40 grand only working 40 or 50 shows,lots of time off,sign me up for that shit please.
Always wonder what happened to Brian Lee.
YahwehForever7 5 days ago
Kane used to very muscular. Seen his old pictures in the gym unmasked and even in the late 90s. That guy was huge.
YahwehForever7 5 days ago
Damn this could of been a great "Kane is your Brother" angle. Not that Glen Jacobs isn't good but Brian looks very similar to Mark.
bigguyjames34 1 week ago
@bigguyjames34 he isnt strong enough to be kane. kane fits it perfect he is even stronger then lesnar
MrMuaythai84 1 week ago
I’m skeptical about this story for a few reasons. Taker was still married to the same woman until 1999 and broke character to an extent to acknowledge her by her initials at the 1996 Slammy Awards. Brian Lee was also brought back as Chainz in 1997-1998. Even if the story said Taker didn’t find out till years later, I question when this could have happened. In the months before and during the Underfaker storyline, Undertaker was at home while Brian Lee was on the road as the Fake Undertaker.
infernaljon 2 weeks ago
cant take my eyes off velvet sky ass
Ferpero 2 weeks ago 22
@Ferpero lmao.. me either for real.. except to read this funny ass comment..
theworldhatesus 1 week ago
Unless its stated as FACT, or you work with wrestlers or in the wrestling industry im afraid (with myself included) we are ALL smart marks...we think we know about the industry because we watch wrestling, read wrestling, have a passion for wrestling, but we all are just marks...
alansalt 2 weeks ago 8
taker is a coward in reality
4vrmj 3 weeks ago
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frazzzer8888 3 weeks ago
@4vrmj Hey, you wish lol. There were several organizations where Brian Lee could have worked and he didn't.
TheMidnightBell07 2 weeks ago
ive just found out in tna brian lee used his own name just with the nickname "killdozer" added to it. "killdozer" brian lee
MegaAlexjb 4 weeks ago in playlist shoot
brian lee is now retired he retired in 2004
MegaAlexjb 4 weeks ago in playlist shoot
@MegaAlexjb He's dead
Inspector711 3 weeks ago
If Taker committed a murder, people would still love him. He's THAT respected.
SNMuniverse 1 month ago
@SNMuniverse Taker is a liar, think about it, how many times has he told people they would Rest In Peace and yet they continue to wrestle and fued with him afterwards
OK well maybe HBK is resting in peace LOL
Spamazoid 4 weeks ago
@Spamazoid LOL
SNMuniverse 3 weeks ago
Taker with a wig on in 2012 lol
Joeki11a 1 month ago
PRIME TIME
famo911 1 month ago
My first time knowing, watching and getting into wrestling was in 1994 Summerslam with Brian Lee "Underfaker" and Undertaker fighting in that amazing match. I was 6 years old.
tytheeman20 1 month ago
wasnt ha called The Killdozer?
TheAmethystScorpion 1 month ago
info on all characters of brian lee:
Wrestler: "Killdozer" Brian Lee Real Name: Brian Harris
Birthday: November 26, 1966 Hometown: Los Angeles, California
Orlando, Florida
Height & Weight: 6'10" - 255 lbs. Trained by: Rocky Montana Debut: 1988
Gimmicks: The Evil (Fake) Undertaker (WWF)Chainz (WWF)"Bulldozer" Brian Lee (ECW)
"Primetime" Brian Lee (SMW & ECW)
"Killdozer" Brian Lee
maybe this helps more on his characters in all companies
svr2011dreammatches 1 month ago
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UltimateSenshi 1 month ago
its a fucking myth
aznmigitman1118 1 month ago
Piss poor move on his part being a friend and as a consequence Brian Lee's wrestling Career rest in peace, only reason I said anything is because I had a couple of friends who did that same shit to me and they are suffering as we speak, I don't fuck with them no more they don't exist.
enigma2488 1 month ago
He wasn't in Raven's Flock, he was in the Triple Threat. Also, pretty sure in ECW it wasn't called it the Flock, it was Raven's Nest. The Flock was WCW
bigkev625 1 month ago
What about the fact Brian Lee was driving drunk and when pulled over by the police he claimed to be The Undertaker. That alone would be reason enough to fire him. I actually liked him but that was a bad judgement call on his part.
chorse70 1 month ago
Brian Lee is great
aRTSproduction33 2 months ago
brian lee was better the taker
rogerscottburchett1 2 months ago
@rogerscottburchett1 really,really,REALLY! where is brian lee now? he was good but not that good
TheKiki3212 1 month ago
@KurtKokaine1 - If you don't know Brian Lee, you're a noob wrestling fan
JustinLeeGwa 2 months ago 29
@JustinLeeGwa Not necessarily. Lee was absolutely nothing in the business.
andross637 1 month ago
i remember this storyline as a kid i was which one is the undertaker AHHHHHHHHHHHH
cHaInZ231 2 months ago
umm...who the fuck is brian lee? or is that the point of this whole thing. >_>
KurtKokaine1 2 months ago
@KurtKokaine1 Got to LOVE how disrespectful sacks of shit shimmy out of the woodwork and ask fucking stupid and rude questions when they have the entire fucking internet at their disposal to answer those idiotic questions. Who the fuck is Brian Lee? Who the fuck are you and why should anyone care?
TheEnviousdominous 2 months ago
@TheEnviousdominous Well as long as I'm not Brian Lee, I'm a happy motherfucker ; )
KurtKokaine1 2 months ago
I wish Brian Lee goes against Deion Sanders in the battle of the Prime Times.
2011mrkingofkings 2 months ago
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JusticePain666 2 months ago
i smell bullshit these guys know nothing about eney thing
sc38ful 2 months ago
I have a "?" about this "blackball" deal.
If Taker had Brian "blackballed in the business" then why was he big in ECW & came back to the WWF/E as Chainz?
The deal with his 1st wife happened in the early-mid 90s & his career torpedoed in 2004-2005!
Don't blame Taker for torpedoing Lee's career when it was Lee who torpedoed his own career with his drug use!
geocoop60 2 months ago 4
@geocoop60 I think Brian Lee was best man at the Undertaker's 1st wedding. He also messed around with Taker's 1st wife during or after his run as Chainz. And that ended around late 98, early 99.
Fnoel98356 1 month ago
Bullshit story IMO, Brian Lee was best man at Taker's wedding to Sara, which would have been years after this.
EnforcerX71 2 months ago 9
He still was in the WWE after the undertaker/faker line... he was Chainz like two years later with DOA.
DaneFalco 2 months ago 2
Of all the shoots ive seen, there are few, if any that bury(pun intended) taker...Either, they know better or he is just so well respected all around...maybe both
parabolakiller 2 months ago 15
@parabolakiller Ive met him in person and hes a really nice guy, ive heard stories from wrestlers personally about him and they all say that for being the big motherfucker that taker is and having the menacing gimmick he is like the nicest guy you could ever be around
Darion1A 2 months ago
@Darion1A Of course he plays nice in person to someone who doesn't threaten his spot on the roster. I remember Undie on commentary talking shit about The Rock of all people saying "That guy can only cut a promo if he has his writers telling him what to say" on an episode of Raw. Funny considering WWE creative handed him a gimmick where all he had to do was no sell and act like he was too stupid to feel pain. For every example you have where Undie was nice, I have ten where he was a dick.
TheEnviousdominous 2 months ago
@TheEnviousdominous That was on Raw. The Rock and Undertaker of a great deal amount of respect for each other. The Rock discusses that in his book and I have heard shoot interviews where Taker speaks very highly of The Rock.
81pdmatt 1 month ago
@81pdmatt rock has a book?
svr2011dreammatches 1 month ago
@svr2011dreammatches Yeah its called "The Rock Says" it came out in early 2000.
81pdmatt 1 month ago
@TheEnviousdominous That was Randy Orton who said that The Rock needs the writers to be successful in Promos...BTW Taker is a Locker Room General..
romans52345 1 month ago
@romans52345 Good god, you're stupid. Indeed Orton had said that, and Undie said it as well. The difference is that Undie said it when he was on commentary during an episode of Raw. You might want to sit down for this bombshell, many performers have accused the Rock of being nothing without his writers. By the way, Undie and JBL hazed the shit out of the new talent when WCW was bought and used backstage politics to create the illfated invasion angle.
TheEnviousdominous 1 month ago
@TheEnviousdominous Triple H Burried the the WCW talent when WWF bought out WCW not Taker, Yes Taker said that on commentary during a Raw but that was part of the storyline, you knew wrestling was fixed didn't you?
romans52345 1 month ago
@romans52345 I don't know how someone can be as fucking stupid as you. This is where I start looking for cameras to make sure I'm not part of an elaborate prank. A fucking idiot has just asked me if I know that wrestling is faked, in regard to an Undie shoot that he had previously denied ever even happened. Do you realize, in that empty fucking head of yours, that when you attempted to correct me by stating that Randy was the one who bashed Rocky you were denying what Undie said?
TheEnviousdominous 1 month ago
@TheEnviousdominous Taker never said that only on commentary which is part of a storyline , and stop calling him Undie it is Taker..You're Probably still pissed when Taker didn't give you an autograph..
romans52345 1 month ago
@romans52345 I'm arguing with a botched abortion. You're pulling at fucking straws kid, go look that up for a perspective on how shit stains like you argue. I'm pissed that talents like DDP and Lance Storm were kicked out because asshats like Undie would fold their arms and shake their heads saying "These guys just can't draw Vince.". Undie made those comments when he decided, as a reaction to an upcoming job he'd have to do for Rocky, to shoot on commentary.
TheEnviousdominous 1 month ago
@TheEnviousdominous If Taker reads this he might never give you an autograph..i don't think you are very intelligent
romans52345 1 month ago
@romans52345 speaking of DDP that was Flair who Burried him, besides DDP nad Lance Storm Sucked anyway
romans52345 1 month ago
@romans52345 How exactly did Flair "bury" DDP?
TheEnviousdominous 1 month ago
@TheEnviousdominous Back in WCW He Burried DDP, and when Vince bought out WCW in 2001 DDP came to WWF and was getting a Big push and then when Flair came to WWF in late 2001, DDP only had a few month run and left mid 2002 because Flair burried Him...
romans52345 1 month ago
@romans52345 You didn't answer my question. "He just did it" isn't an explanation of how. HOW did Flair bury DDP?
TheEnviousdominous 1 month ago
@TheEnviousdominous
Lance Storm couldn't talk his way out of a fight with a six-year old. For Christ sake the WWF tried to even work his lack of skills into a gimmick in an attempt to save him. DDP was a decent promoter/manager who found himself a grove by being the first person to turn away from the NWO, but he only had two good matches, and one of them wasn't even aired. Taker did say they couldn't draw and guess what, up north, they couldn't draw.
diedahero 1 month ago
@diedahero If the WWE wanted Lance to be good on the mic, he would have been allowed to be. Lance was infinitely more talented in the ring than most of the idiots they forced him to work with, and his biggest mistake was telling the younger talent to tell Undie and JBL to fuck off. Their intention was to make the WCW wrestlers look horrible so they could blame them for the dip in the ratings. Think about it, what performers that were acquired from the buyout became big?
TheEnviousdominous 1 month ago
@TheEnviousdominous
I agree, Lance's skills in the ring were par-none. But if you can't work the stick, then you'll never be able to be a top tier guy. Hell you'll never be a second tier guy without mic skills. He couldn't talk in WcW, and he couldn't talk in the WWF. Plain and simple. As far as Austin goes, creative did give him Chilly McFrezze and 20 other names and gimmicks that were just as bad, I read Have a Nice Day too, but the also let him hit the boss with a chair.
diedahero 1 month ago
@diedahero If the creative department wants you to be a boring Canadian, you'd do it to as long as Friday's check comes in. Bret Hart couldn't cut a decent promo when he beat Flair, if you supposedly have no mic skills but are a general in the ring they can make that work. The idea they wanted to plant in our heads was that Lance was boring on the Mic AND in the ring.
TheEnviousdominous 1 month ago
@TheEnviousdominous cont.
As for subliminally trying to plant the idea that Lance was boring in-ring as well? You're grasping at straws. Bert got pushed because of his last name, in-ring ability, and the way the crowd popped. Kid's loved Bret, like they do now with Cena, and the office likes kids.
And Austin saying 3:16 wasn't scripted, but creative and Vince let him shoot, what do you think that shows? Maybe that they knew he could be a top talent and to let him rip?
diedahero 1 month ago
@TheEnviousdominous
Lance Storm actually Respect Taker, probably the most, go on his site.
Fifa155 3 days ago
@TheEnviousdominous cont.
They could have buried Steve if they wanted. The Ringmaster gimmick all but put one of his feet out the door as is, but creative still wanted to revamp him for a second go, hence the King of the Ring push. You can't say they wanted someone to fail for politics when they pushed the guy to the moon. Besides, Vince gave the NWA (ECW) talent and money, which Paul and Todd both admit. Why would they care about Austins ties? Internet rumors are lame.
diedahero 1 month ago
@diedahero It's no internet rumor that HHH was supposed to win the KotR in question, he was being punished however for breaking kayfabe when Hall and Nash left. Austin was picked to win instead, but the writers didn't tell him to drop the bomb he dropped afterward. Austin became the guy who, try as he might, could NOT be hated so he became the right guy at the right time after the Montreal incident to put asses in seats. The Steve Austin character was ECW's in the first place.
TheEnviousdominous 1 month ago
@diedahero The idea from day one was to bury Austin by having him job to "stronger" talent like Savio Vega, but keep him around to play the role of the guy who makes "good" guys look better than they actually were.
TheEnviousdominous 1 month ago
@TheEnviousdominous
Hunter was buried, (in fact he was forced to fight a dark match that night) which led to Austin's win, but they could've let Mero win if they wanted to thump Austin down to pump another non-talent up, as you've stated. Hell, Vader was in that KotR too. You think Vince wouldn't have preferred a monster to win if Hunter wasn't? It was going to be Austin, HHH but HHH fucked himself so creative went with their next best option for a rising star.
diedahero 1 month ago
@diedahero Good grief. Look at this from the standpoint of WWE creative, whoever won the KotR of the three people in question, it was supposed to happen as a means of making the fans hate that individual more. HHH was supposed to win like a jerk and be the top heel for Bret, Austin was the next best guy to draw heat and it made more sense creatively (as Vader was supposed to win the belt later anyway) to have Austin take advantage of an "injured" Jake the Snake.
TheEnviousdominous 1 month ago
@TheEnviousdominous
Yes, and? We weren't discussing if this was a heel push or a babyface push. You said they were trying to bury Austin for his NWA/ECW connection and my point was pushing him to the moon was a strange way to bury a guy. Taker didn't stunt DDP growth because there was nothing to stunt, Lance was a terrible stick man, and Austin was anything but buried. You can find a real conspiracy under almost every rock in wrestling. There's no need to invent them.
diedahero 1 month ago
@diedahero My point obviously went over your head. Austin was allowed to win KotR, but that wasn't supposed to earn him a push. They wanted to bury, but they were stuck with someone who was selling tickets better than anyone else at a crucial time during the Monday Night Wars. They let him be as big as we perceived him to be, unlike HHH and Rocky who were being groomed from day one to carry the belt. I wanted to avoid saying this, but you're a fucking idiot. Don't set up the straw man.
TheEnviousdominous 1 month ago
@TheEnviousdominous
Dude, you're saying that the creative team and Vince wanted to bury the single biggest star in the history of wrestling and you're calling me an idiot. They put him in an angle where he literally told the boss to go fuck himself and beat him up almost every night. To say they weren't grooming him is retarded. He was a thirty-two year old man by the time he came into the WWF, not a home grown talent. They saw he could be a star and pushed him. lol.
diedahero 1 month ago
@diedahero I'm saying you're an idiot because you keep drawing fucking stupid conclusions and pull another obscure argument out of your ass to avoid addressing amy of my previous points. Vince wanted to keep Steve Williams, otherwise known as the Ringmaster, in the mid-card. The Stone Cold nickname was made up by his first wife, and the Stone Cold character was innovated in ECW, they don't "groom" people by having no involvement in their gimmick. They had no idea of how well he could draw.
TheEnviousdominous 1 month ago
@TheEnviousdominous
I'm the one saying obscure arguments and yet you're the one talking about his name change, and rumors about how Vince wanted him to be a mid-cardered.He was given like 20 names to shift through, like every other wrestler. His wife did say the famous your tea is about to get stone cold line, but that's your proof? So they wanted to bury Mick Foley too with all the ideas for his name change? And Hunter? And Vader? You're kinda ridiculous.
diedahero 1 month ago
@diedahero I'm arguing with a fucking fifth grader. His name change applies because it wasn't part of a plan to push him, his character applies for the same reason. I made those points because you're bent on the bullshit that from day one they planned his entire career as being as successful as it was. I wasn't making the point that they wanted to "bury" him for suggesting his own nickname, that's either setting up the straw man or you're too fucking stupid to comprehend at a elementary level
TheEnviousdominous 1 month ago
@TheEnviousdominous
You're right dude. They wanted to bury the biggest star in the company because he was NWA (even though they worked with ECW/NWA) Lance was on his way to becoming the next Shawn but the cut his feet out from under him because he was EX WcW (even though he argued a bit like you) and DDP was put up to fail just because Taker didn't think he was over enough (even though DDP was a manger who had two good matches, one of which wasn't televised.)
My bad.
diedahero 1 month ago
@diedahero Kid, look up "setting up the straw man" as a fallacy in arguments. That's what you're doing, and I'm pretty sure that you don't even realize it. I never said that they wanted to "bury" him, bury is a term that smark shit stains like you toss around, I said that they didn't want to push him for reaching mild stardom in NWA. My point about Lance was that he was treated unfairly, you made up the part about Shawn Michaels (dipshit). You're a gullible fucking smark, wait five years.
TheEnviousdominous 1 month ago
@TheEnviousdominous
I learned in debate years ago, when one side turns to insults, which you did about 6 post ago, they know they've been bested and are now trying to win an argument by bullying. Call me all the childish names you want, I'm not the one believing in some ludicrous conspiracy about the evil creative team in the WWF. And then you call me a smark for using the terms you set up, (They wanted to bury, but they were stuck with someone who was selling tickets)lol
diedahero 1 month ago
@diedahero I used the term "bury" because you had just used it and at that point I didn't realize how desperate you'd become to emphasize the point of "I never give the last word", you kept using it and it got annoying, I didn't set it up you fucking idiot. When you feel the pain of having to trade points with someone as fucking stupid as you, you'll have a hard time telling that individual that they're a moron. Instead of arguing an actual point you resort to the "You insulted me" tactic.
TheEnviousdominous 1 month ago
@TheEnviousdominous cont.
So rock on dude. Keep believing what you believe in. In fact, I bet the conversion at KotR went like this.
P.S. Hayes - Hunter is eating a shit sandwitch, who do we push as the new heel now?
Vince - Use McFreeze. He'll put a real shine to Bret.
P.S. - Didn't we go with Stone Cold?
Vince - Whatever, I hate him cuz he did a little business in ECW.
P.S. - Oh crap, he said something good after winning the match.
Vince - Aw hell, push him.
classic
diedahero 1 month ago
@diedahero And that is why you're a fucking idiot. You take a point and instead of offering a logical argument you choose to present, as best as your imagination could, a scenario where my idea might look silly to the few people in this world who may actually take you seriously. You should be thanking me for the time I've wasted on you.
TheEnviousdominous 1 month ago
@diedahero Do you remember the DDP Undie fued? It was an infomercial for why Undie was so awesome and his (then) nasty wife. DDP, a guy who was married to Kimberly was supposedly stalking the sagging sack of toothpicks that Undie had tattooed on his neck. Then they finally fight, and Undie squashed him because at that point he and Vince thought the Invasion angle would be a big success so long as the end result was a waste of the fans ticket money.
TheEnviousdominous 1 month ago
@diedahero Booker T is the only guy who went from being a buyout acquisition to a main eventer, and they made him look like a horse's ass for it. They didn't want Austin to become anything because he was considered an NWA guy, if they had their way then he would have been Chilly McFreeze (true story) and would have worn a blue durby hat to the ring. Think of how many guys had to bow to WWE creative just so you could determine that their flaws were completely their own.
TheEnviousdominous 1 month ago
@parabolakiller Sting too. Nobody has a bad word to say about Taker or Sting.
andross637 1 month ago
She left Calloway for Lee because she mistook Lee for the real Taker, lol
johnissoevil 2 months ago 6
@johnissoevil lol
undertakers real name are
Mark Willliam Callaway google it
digimonmasterstrache 2 months ago
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MakaveliDaDon777 2 months ago
Isn't Brian Lee dead?
flatulatingmarmoset 2 months ago
I remember prime time brian lee in ECW
Slacker4LiFe247 2 months ago
All things being what they are, that's looks like an awesome tag team!!
WarrenPace 3 months ago
There is two sides to a story and in the middle is the true answer! an whom taker had nothing to do with lee lee had to do with lee he did drugs!
EPTXSTEVEM 3 months ago
brian lee was awesome in smokey mountain,ecw,and a decent run in the wwf.
bluefukingreene 3 months ago
he was killdozer brian lee in TNA he was teamed with a guy named slash.
MrrrrrrrrrANARCHY 3 months ago
@MrrrrrrrrrANARCHY who was none other than jc ice from pg 13.
bluefukingreene 3 months ago
@bluefukingreene only person i can think of is jamie dundee
MrrrrrrrrrANARCHY 3 months ago
@bluefukingreene Actually Slash in TNA was Wolfie D.
Fnoel98356 3 months ago
@Fnoel98356 thats what i meant...its been awhile.....
bluefukingreene 3 months ago
who>
crazyphil5 3 months ago
So wait...was it or was in not Sara?
ttom1122 3 months ago
Is it ANNOYING when all of these channel's titles have random words in caps? Yes.
spinemelter2000 3 months ago 3
I thought Brian Lee died.
LegendThriller92 3 months ago 2
@LegendThriller92 You mean Brian Adams his former tag partner?
drezone 3 months ago
@drezone I swear I heard that the fake Taker died, oh well.
LegendThriller92 3 months ago
Lee was takers best man at his wedding.
charismatic9904 3 months ago 3
brian and me talk everyday, for about a year now, and he's still ready to rumble, looks great too. Note no drugs or any other
designateddrinker50 3 months ago
are brian lee and wilcat chris harris brothers?
Styme2002 3 months ago
why does someone always have an affair with Undertakers wife?? hahaha
McVitiesmuffinjohn 3 months ago
mite be a dum thing to ask but who the fuck is brian lee
nwolwo 3 months ago
Just to clear up some details, since the two douchebags on this show don't seem to actually know much about wrestling or be able to hit Wikipedia and talk at the same time. Lee is indeed cousins with the Harrises and according to Wiki at least, his full name is Brian Lee Harris. Also, he wrestled in TNA under the Brian Lee name and won the tag belts while there.
peterp21 3 months ago
When Brian Lee was in TNA he had some real success with that team but I remember he was freakishly thin looking, like he had liposuction or something.
peterp21 3 months ago
first time i saw Brian Lee was ECW High Incident and i thought he was the undertaker
187NewJack 3 months ago
wow he got down to 210 that's way too light for a guy his height i think he was 6'5" give or take
slipknot789able 4 months ago
brian lee and undertaker and his wife was have a 3some
rogerscottburchett1 4 months ago
I thought Brian Lee was called "Killdozer" not "Bulldozer" but I could be wrong...
satyran 4 months ago
@satyran no you're not wrong he wrestled under both names he was first Bulldozer then later became Killdozer
krisisnWo 3 months ago
wait people
Taker said himself something to the effect "Many guys were monogamous when on the road. I tried to be but I couldn't I had a wife but I was too into the undertaker character, I even dressed in all black all the time," so he did his dirt too. I mean I don't believe in cheating on a significant other, but when both parties in the relationship did it, well how can a person get more angry at one and not at the other.
PhillyGirl1 4 months ago
@PhillyGirl1 in SOME cases that MAY be true...but in almost every shoot i have... and i have alot ... as honkytonk man said it.. (mocking "Oh i am a family man..i dont cheat... BULLSHIT... Whos fucking family were YOU IN LAST NIGHT?!" Alot of the wrestlers go on the road and are away from there others or not so others.. and will fuck the ring rats that come to the shows..in MOST cases.
snapmode5 3 months ago
@snapmode5 Yeah I've read, although you can't believe everything you read, that many got down with the ring rats even some of the female wrestlers.
PhillyGirl1 3 months ago
takers first wife was a slut
seanboy97 4 months ago
@seanboy97 LOL funny you say that.. cuz on the brickhouse brown shoot he tells a story about how bill dundee,went over to taker.and said , hey mate why you gonna marry that fucking rat, mate.. shes fucked this guy and that guy, so why you wanna mess with that? Taker responded by one handed lifting bill off the ground against the wall with his legs dangling.. and Taker said.. I know who she WAS and she dont do that no more later on taker divorced her, giving her a million to go fuck off
snapmode5 3 months ago
well,good reason,why they are not together,that would make alot of reason why!!
MRSMORRIS74 4 months ago
I like how it's all Brian Lees fault. Of course it's fucked up what he did, but the wife is far from innocent. It takes 2. She was clearly a cunt.
Cap420 4 months ago 2
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Cap420 4 months ago
First time I've ever heard about this. Probably the last time too since the Taker wouldn't like this becoming common knowledge. Still, in the absence of proof...
thelastshockmaster 4 months ago
GUYS NEVER TRUST ANY MAN WITH YOUR WIFE!!
xxxxlova 4 months ago 3
@xxxxlova
can't trust any wife with anybody...
theraVen27 3 months ago
whatever happened to brian lee ? who cares ?
Lattlay3D 4 months ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
brian lee > taker
DeadIslandTrailers 4 months ago
@DeadIslandTrailers hahahahahahahaha jk
rageahollic33 4 months ago
Why cheat on a millionare with a jobber?
RMilvae 4 months ago in playlist Playlist 4 2
@RMilvae apparently money's not everything
jintowwinmingchow 4 months ago
2 undertakers
????????????????
tinyd1998 4 months ago
undertaker: lord of darkness
Brain lee:dump ass
TheAnimalover173 5 months ago
I thought Brian Lee and The Harris Boyz (Ron & Don/Jacob & Eli Blu) were all brothers not close friends?
MiSTaDiZZy69 5 months ago
@MiSTaDiZZy69: The Harris Brothers and Brian Lee are actually cousins if I recall correctly.
Fiendishfoe666 5 months ago
If this is true than Brian lee is the biggest fucking idiot ever
DemiGod410 5 months ago
Brian Lee was a little too small to be a true giant. Undertaker wasn't anywhere near the legend then too. He was what, 5 years with the company? So he wasn't w a backstage judge yet either. He had stroke but not enough to kill Brians career. No gimmick ever stuck for him and he wasn't that great on the mic.
printoner 5 months ago
@printoner He was a major draw back then though, the crowd reaction when Undertaker walked to the ring was amazing to become a legend happens over time, but in 1994 I'd say he was one of the most popular superstars in WWE
Moss235 5 months ago
What kind of idiot would do something like that to the undertaker? He must have been fucking stupid!
cfcsteve86 5 months ago
Apparently Undertaker's wife left him because he was a dead f@ck. lol
nick0mac 5 months ago 30
@nick0mac lol
bigjamesbrown 4 months ago
@nick0mac
Red on the head like a dick on a dog. Dead in the bed like a knot on a log.
clayp72 2 months ago
@nick0mac Kinda reminds me of Friday the 13th part 4...
austinfailz 2 months ago
So that time on the WWF era on the 90's Undertaker was having problems so WWF had to put this guy name Brian Lee to take his Roll.....
Selestino84 5 months ago
who was being interviewed here?
nicecream44 5 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Rule of thumb, If taker shits on you, you fucking deserve it.
TehRyyu 5 months ago
lol i didnt know Chainz was the Under-Faker
yungking216 5 months ago
If this rumor is true, then I just have one thing to say to Brian Lee...Dumbass.
KISSfan888 5 months ago
He is from Jacksonville
revrage79 6 months ago
Takers first wife's name is Jodi Lynn
MyTubeVersion3 6 months ago
I actually heard Brian Lee was best man at Taker's wedding to Sara, so that makes me doubt this rumor.
leper73 6 months ago
i always remember hearing that Chainz was gonna be getting a big push in late 97 around the time Crush, Bulldog and all those others guys quit around the time of the Screwjob thing.
but then he was gone about 3 weeks later.
and now i know why.
Hughezy 6 months ago
Lee has been seen acting in BollyWood Movies ,one role he was in As a undertaker style role !
SOLIE6226 7 months ago
Lol, Brian Lee didn't make it in the business because he sucked.
theworldisquare 7 months ago
@theworldisquare you know that he wrestled over ten year right.to make it in a buisness for 10 years plus is an achievement most will never experience,workin odd jobs for bum paychecks sucks,so what guys only make 2,3,4,or 5 hundred bucks for at most 20 or 30 minutes of work, pretty sweet.kinda puts your life and mine to shame id bet.an indy guy that has a name can make 30 or 40 grand only working 40 or 50 shows,lots of time off,sign me up for that shit please.
bluefukingreene 6 months ago
@theworldisquare
I don't recall him being good at anything. He was completely nondescript.
tridentmovies 5 months ago
I've never heard that rumor before. I figured Taker just dumped her for Sara, like he dumped Sara for Michelle McCool.
CelticJobber2 7 months ago 8
@CelticJobber2 sara got a divorce cause of the travel of wrestleing.another wrestler introduced mark(undertaker) to michelle
lovesheidi 5 months ago
LOL at these guys who thought that Brian Lee was going to be a big star.
jb0609 7 months ago 3
These podcast idiots make me embarrassed to be a wrestling fan.
genomyoshida 7 months ago
This comment section is why I feel ashamed to be a wrestling fan
warriorofwrestlingv3 7 months ago 2
Brian Lee couldnt wrestle thats the REAL reason.
thenicholashuber 7 months ago
@montivistaman HES THE GUY THAT USE TO CARRIER AROUND TAKERS DICK BACK STAGE
619badazz13 7 months ago 3
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619badazz13 7 months ago
ive wondered what happen to brian lee. if what they say is true, that is a damn shame.
MrJlow713 7 months ago
he was in SMW, too
bluesky8921 8 months ago