Here is something I mentioned on VenomFangX. He claims Noahs Ark was discovered. I know one of the scientists who studied this. He was not a Christian. But even the creationist scientists said it wasn't the ark, but I see he still claims it to be fact. So you can't take him too seriously.
Here is another interesting point most people may not have noticed. A Christian MUST concentrate on science in an attempt to validate their argument. By contrast, the scientist does not attempt to invalidate creationism to validate their own theories. Why? Because science has been proven, creationism never has been.
Here is a simple fact about creation. Creation theory always begins at childhood. You either learn about creation either as a child, or by someone who learnt about creation as a child. Science however can be discovered as an adult, with no influence from the outside world.
That's seriously the funniest thing I have ever heard....
Ok, seriously, you're asleep right now, its like, 6:15 AM or something, and I'm watching this and I CANNOT stop laughing. I already whored you on my myspace...... :D
i think the greatest argument that both sides should consider is the argument for abiogenesis.
i don't want to be argumentative, but i would like to know the atheist's approach to the DNA's ( complex) information and how they think it came about. the I.D.'s view point on it is by looking at the information or language you have to assume an intellegence put it there.
You're question is a good one... I'm no "expert" on this subject by any means, but I have an answer.
If you look at what DNA truly is by itself, you're looking at a very complex biological organic structure arranged in a certain way which in turn is used to create a set of instructions, which a living organism uses to replicate itself. Take a look at salts n any forms of crystals that form, they are completely self assembling, DNA is made of organic compounds which can be created in labs easily
given time, certain things in the world could have the ability to assemble these structures in a certain way creating simple dna, and eventually structures on the verge of life (like viruses). The one thing that people can't seem to comprehend at the moment is that the "time" is BILLIONS of years... That's a time frame that we can't even begin to imagine. saying that DNA given the enormous time frame HAD to be designed seems just to be an explanation of something we don't understand. comments?
you said that DNA organic compounds can be created in labs easily. so may i ask how easy is it for a scientist to make LEFT handed amino acids only, which is the necessity for life.
also this may be away from the subject. but i also had another question to ask you.
Hmmm, Fate or destiny... I can't really say i do believe in it. I don't deny it's existence, don't get me wrong, and neither do I really deny God's existence... what I do believe in is numbers, and numbers tell me that in an infinite universe with endless time, ANYTHING is possible. God may in fact be a real entity that really did create us, even in his image because as I'm sure you know, if you break anything down to it's bare essentials it becomes PURE energy.
We in fact have discovered next to nothing of what there is to be discovered. probably much less than a thousandth of a percent. We almost have that we can go by either, science which is an incomplete picture of the grand scape of things, and religion, which religion tho? What makes one of them right and the other one wrong? In reality the bible is just as absurd as the doctrine of scientology. And while each of these religions may be the right one leading to salvation in this infinite universe,
I don't see how any of them can have in reality, in the grand scheme of things and grain of truth whatsoever, until there is a way of disproving whatever science has already discovered, and I believe that the only thing that will ever truly disprove science is going to be more science.
nice reply. althought i too love science, i hope one day people would understand that science is not an exclusive term. everyone uses science, Christian, and atheist alike... so well have to mature past the idea of seperation. While there may be many religions there is only one saviour, but ultimately you can weigh each religion by the morality that goes with its teaching. ive learned recently it is good for a man to stop striving, for even a fool can start an argument. take care keys72.
we know that when you reduce the physical universe even as far down to it's smallest molecule, you cannot explain it's existence within itself. it MUST have an unnatural or Supernatural first cause.
However you reduce or slice down the physical universe... even to it's smallest form, you end up with an entity or quantity that cannot explain it's own origin.... it MUST have an external non -physical first cause. i assume God is the first cause, simply because the order and design we observe ( us ) hints to a prior mind or intelegence.
Y'know, I hate to use the age old argument, but then... What created God?
The obvious answer is "Nothing created God". Which is stupid, because you're using this God argument to solve a physics problem. In other words, you're trying to solve a physics problem with something which doesn't follow the laws of physics. But if you were just going to cheat like that anyway, why not just say nothing created matter? It's the same as saying nothing created God, just cutting out the middleman.
the wide held viewpoint on matter is that, " matter is niether created nor destroyed". therefore matter is eternal.
so by your defenition of stupid, then my statement above is illogical, so the science community should throw it out.... right? God is spiritual not physical, and by face value He claims to be eternal so we take Him for his word.
listen, infinity is somethig that simply cannot be applied to our reality. the universe, which is made up of material, in its nature is finite, and cannot hold two contradictory natures simultaneously.
Infinity is a concept that cannot be rationalized or comprehended in the mind, but .. it can somehow be applied to our universe? ..what?
Everything that is in our world, everything that is SOMETHING, is particular in the sense that it has a distinct fathomable nature. This nature can be either qualitative or quantitively measured.
Time for example can be divided up into different units, an hour, a minute or a second. A quantity. Now, time is continually moving in one direction, so after a minute or a second, time elapses. A finite quantity.
Now MANY sets of finite things, cannot possibly make an infinity, because at the core, one unit of finite time, for example; a minute has a beginning and an end. So the first unit in this set of "infinite" finite things.. Had a beginning which means then the whole set is finite, and that it will also have an end as well.
Bad example, our brain and body are actually made up of LIVING matter (cells), and they form us, the living being.
Which makes sense because how could life be produced from non-living matter? You cannot conglomerate a mass of dead material, to produce something living, because at the core, the mass is simply made up of dead units.
Now this inherent quality of our cells, that they are alive, but finite, is a quality that we also assume. Because these are core principles that govern these cells, and since these cells make up our bodies, these principles also govern us as well.
Likewise, finite time can be compared to these cells. It exists only temporarily, it has bounds and limits, and it is governed by certain principles (ex: it only moves in one direction). Assuming that a set of time is made up of these finite units, (which of course it is) the set will be governed by these same conditions. So time is not boundless, limitless and ever existent; time is not infinite.
The things that the cells are comprised of ARE non-living matter. Have you taken a Biology or Chemistry class? Living matter is ultimately comprised of non-living matter. That is a matter of fact.
Furthermore, in a chain that runs infinitely in both directions, or some eternal chain, if we pluck from this chain any particular time and chop it down we can thus call that aspect finite within a scale of infinite happenings.
It sounds like your saying there are two seperate infinities now. If you stop at any given point, sayy.. right now, then an infinity has already passed AND there is another infinity in the future.. sigh..
This concept is absurd, and its something that our human minds cannot even grasp, let alone apply to reality. Does this even make sense to you? Or is this just some sort of fanciful notion, that you like the idea of..
Now, whether we chock this up to an endless succession of events or some magical man beginning that successions, events are existent and time is the relational tool we have to decipher the gaps between those events.
no, not you, the video you were responding to heh. that's how his video came off to me, he was saying automatically by being an atheist you have no or bad morals.
nice one. One thought: How about a being (let's say: Like a divine concept) that exists outside of time - thus being able to access our bubble of time-based reality from outside. What if that only means that he is not bound to our view of time 'a to b to c' but in fact can do 'c to a to b' or even 'a AND b AND c simultanously'. Just means that time as we view it might be some kind of 'local phenomenon'... no arguments on your other points though.
yes, but isn't there a discussion that maybe we all experience 'time' in a timeline concept when it - i think it was according to quantum physics - may be a static concept - which might explain why we sometimes feel like things happened 'only yesterday'. Yes, I agree, if that WAS the case then we live in a delusional 'idea' of this world an a timeline - but what if we all share the same delusional concept, like a convention - because it works too - but is just not all there is too it.
why Avi? It is kinda ironic, everytime people give VFX a "pwnage" video you're just feeding the troll. All energy spent trying to pwn him gives him more power and more subscribers. You're feeding him.
Also, everytime any scientist argues with a creationist, intelligent designers, etc. the scientist is giving the impression to the general public that a debate is actually going on in the scientific community. Just like when global warming is argued, logical fallacy is that two sides are equal.
Why? Because people are sitting around going "Oh, that makes sense." And this without any real philosophical explanation as to why the assertions made in the video are wrong.
Not only are people buying into VenomFang's fallacial arguments but these people are voting based on these beliefs. We MUST ridicule the ridiculous. Laugh at them, make them feel stupid, call them nuts in order to knock off all the idiots who claim to be christians just because everyone else is but maybe don't completely believe the nonsense. If christians become seen as UFOlogists a lot of people will drop out. Get herd mentality to work for us.
What is the True christianity and by what authority? The truth is, there is no such thing as True Christianity. There is not a lick of evidence, not one true authority for any of it. So no one group has any more or less right to claim what the "True" christianity is.
I was being sarcastic, it is hard to express it in text, but I put true in quotes on purpose. No true Christianity or any other religion exists, unless you want to say by the original text is (even then interpretation).
The thing I find really fucking stupid is when atheists tell Christians they're not true Christians purely because the people who do that should be smart enough to know no such thing exists. one can use religion for the benefit of people and another for the opposite.
Second off, I think your argument that god cannot be all-encompassing if the universe is finite. I could still be that god is infinite in some sense, and that the fiinite universe is encompassed by a finite subset of god.
Let me be clear that I'm an atheist and don't buy any of the nonsense that VFX spits out, but I can still discuss the question from purely logical/philosophical point of view.
First off, don't argue with VFX. He's just a big troll who's on YT all this to boost his own ego. Any reasonably intelligent individual will pwn VFX in their heads while watching the video. Any less than reasonably intelligent individuals might watch this video, look up VFX's and fall for them.
You can't argue with stupid. You can't argue deluded. You can't argue with narcissism. And you certainly can't argue with all three in the same time.
hmmmm that looks like my cell phone. Anyway VenomFangX seems to know he is full to it but it is always good to see someone debunk his poorly thought-out rhetoric. I need to look more into infinity.
exactly! all we CAN perceive is now - and you can't really measure this instant - and everything beyond that is created by our mind. Though it seems to work fine - who is to say it is correct...?
OMG a Laptop, LOL, very good.
Middleman2000 7 months ago
your well versed intelligence turns me on. our world needs more men like you
ninjaaade 1 year ago
Here is something I mentioned on VenomFangX. He claims Noahs Ark was discovered. I know one of the scientists who studied this. He was not a Christian. But even the creationist scientists said it wasn't the ark, but I see he still claims it to be fact. So you can't take him too seriously.
cragglesathome 1 year ago
Here is another interesting point most people may not have noticed. A Christian MUST concentrate on science in an attempt to validate their argument. By contrast, the scientist does not attempt to invalidate creationism to validate their own theories. Why? Because science has been proven, creationism never has been.
cragglesathome 1 year ago
Here is a simple fact about creation. Creation theory always begins at childhood. You either learn about creation either as a child, or by someone who learnt about creation as a child. Science however can be discovered as an adult, with no influence from the outside world.
cragglesathome 1 year ago
Awsome video! If I saw you on the street I would think you were some young kid without an education but damn your intelligent!
RoundSquareX 2 years ago
LOL
Thanks :)
Meh, I'm not that young... I don't think... My metabolism slowing surely tells me otherwise. LOL
JasperAvi 2 years ago
OH LOOK! A LAPTOP!!!
That's seriously the funniest thing I have ever heard....
Ok, seriously, you're asleep right now, its like, 6:15 AM or something, and I'm watching this and I CANNOT stop laughing. I already whored you on my myspace...... :D
Jillersaurus 2 years ago
i think the greatest argument that both sides should consider is the argument for abiogenesis.
i don't want to be argumentative, but i would like to know the atheist's approach to the DNA's ( complex) information and how they think it came about. the I.D.'s view point on it is by looking at the information or language you have to assume an intellegence put it there.
goldgoku3264 2 years ago
You should read up on it in a book or something. Its not a secret...
JovialEel 2 years ago
You're question is a good one... I'm no "expert" on this subject by any means, but I have an answer.
If you look at what DNA truly is by itself, you're looking at a very complex biological organic structure arranged in a certain way which in turn is used to create a set of instructions, which a living organism uses to replicate itself. Take a look at salts n any forms of crystals that form, they are completely self assembling, DNA is made of organic compounds which can be created in labs easily
keys72 2 years ago
given time, certain things in the world could have the ability to assemble these structures in a certain way creating simple dna, and eventually structures on the verge of life (like viruses). The one thing that people can't seem to comprehend at the moment is that the "time" is BILLIONS of years... That's a time frame that we can't even begin to imagine. saying that DNA given the enormous time frame HAD to be designed seems just to be an explanation of something we don't understand. comments?
keys72 2 years ago
you said that DNA organic compounds can be created in labs easily. so may i ask how easy is it for a scientist to make LEFT handed amino acids only, which is the necessity for life.
also this may be away from the subject. but i also had another question to ask you.
do you believe in fate? or destiny?
goldgoku3264 2 years ago
Hmmm, Fate or destiny... I can't really say i do believe in it. I don't deny it's existence, don't get me wrong, and neither do I really deny God's existence... what I do believe in is numbers, and numbers tell me that in an infinite universe with endless time, ANYTHING is possible. God may in fact be a real entity that really did create us, even in his image because as I'm sure you know, if you break anything down to it's bare essentials it becomes PURE energy.
keys72 2 years ago
We in fact have discovered next to nothing of what there is to be discovered. probably much less than a thousandth of a percent. We almost have that we can go by either, science which is an incomplete picture of the grand scape of things, and religion, which religion tho? What makes one of them right and the other one wrong? In reality the bible is just as absurd as the doctrine of scientology. And while each of these religions may be the right one leading to salvation in this infinite universe,
keys72 2 years ago
I don't see how any of them can have in reality, in the grand scheme of things and grain of truth whatsoever, until there is a way of disproving whatever science has already discovered, and I believe that the only thing that will ever truly disprove science is going to be more science.
keys72 2 years ago
nice reply. althought i too love science, i hope one day people would understand that science is not an exclusive term. everyone uses science, Christian, and atheist alike... so well have to mature past the idea of seperation. While there may be many religions there is only one saviour, but ultimately you can weigh each religion by the morality that goes with its teaching. ive learned recently it is good for a man to stop striving, for even a fool can start an argument. take care keys72.
goldgoku3264 2 years ago
Pwned. He took down the video :)
MstrMatt 2 years ago 3
That's insane, I didn't even know that!
Awesome! lol
JasperAvi 2 years ago
2:02
I laughed.
dylantuzyk 2 years ago
we know that when you reduce the physical universe even as far down to it's smallest molecule, you cannot explain it's existence within itself. it MUST have an unnatural or Supernatural first cause.
I just hold God as a first cause and effect.
goldgoku3264 2 years ago
Fallacy of composition along with a misappropriation of the word "existence".
Existence is not an attribute.
JasperAvi 2 years ago
allow me to rephrase my statement:
However you reduce or slice down the physical universe... even to it's smallest form, you end up with an entity or quantity that cannot explain it's own origin.... it MUST have an external non -physical first cause. i assume God is the first cause, simply because the order and design we observe ( us ) hints to a prior mind or intelegence.
goldgoku3264 2 years ago
This is entirely untrue.
You really need to utilize science text books and common sense.
JasperAvi 2 years ago
Y'know, I hate to use the age old argument, but then... What created God?
The obvious answer is "Nothing created God". Which is stupid, because you're using this God argument to solve a physics problem. In other words, you're trying to solve a physics problem with something which doesn't follow the laws of physics. But if you were just going to cheat like that anyway, why not just say nothing created matter? It's the same as saying nothing created God, just cutting out the middleman.
dylantuzyk 2 years ago
well actually, yeah, in the Bible He does say that he has always existed, The first and the last, the Beginning and the End.
goldgoku3264 2 years ago
Uhh, not only did you employ circular reasoning there, but you didn't address my real point, which was that saying that God always existed is stupid
dylantuzyk 2 years ago
the wide held viewpoint on matter is that, " matter is niether created nor destroyed". therefore matter is eternal.
so by your defenition of stupid, then my statement above is illogical, so the science community should throw it out.... right? God is spiritual not physical, and by face value He claims to be eternal so we take Him for his word.
goldgoku3264 2 years ago
The point you just made is EXACTLY the point that I argued against in my comment. Please read before you reply.
dylantuzyk 2 years ago
Wrong. Try reading on quantum physics, superstring and multiverse theories.
Crosisborg 2 years ago
you could make a video longer than 10mins and then just upload them as different parts couldn't you?
cause if you have more to say then you should definitley put it out there.
insomniastic 2 years ago
It's doable, the only problem is getting people to watch more than 10 minutes of video...
Maybe next time I'll give it a go. Thanks.
JasperAvi 2 years ago
Great Pwnage!!!!
TrojanxInfection 2 years ago
listen, infinity is somethig that simply cannot be applied to our reality. the universe, which is made up of material, in its nature is finite, and cannot hold two contradictory natures simultaneously.
iBegToDiffer 2 years ago
Fallacy.
Nice try.
JasperAvi 2 years ago
Uhh.. yeah, the fallacy is pretty apparent to me.
Infinity is a concept that cannot be rationalized or comprehended in the mind, but .. it can somehow be applied to our universe? ..what?
Everything that is in our world, everything that is SOMETHING, is particular in the sense that it has a distinct fathomable nature. This nature can be either qualitative or quantitively measured.
iBegToDiffer 2 years ago
Time for example can be divided up into different units, an hour, a minute or a second. A quantity. Now, time is continually moving in one direction, so after a minute or a second, time elapses. A finite quantity.
iBegToDiffer 2 years ago
Now MANY sets of finite things, cannot possibly make an infinity, because at the core, one unit of finite time, for example; a minute has a beginning and an end. So the first unit in this set of "infinite" finite things.. Had a beginning which means then the whole set is finite, and that it will also have an end as well.
iBegToDiffer 2 years ago
Fallacy of Composition.
Because the units within a set are comoposed of finite conceptual relations does NOT entail that the whole set is as well.
Ex: Your brain and body are made up of non-living matter, therefore, you are not a living being.
JasperAvi 2 years ago
Bad example, our brain and body are actually made up of LIVING matter (cells), and they form us, the living being.
Which makes sense because how could life be produced from non-living matter? You cannot conglomerate a mass of dead material, to produce something living, because at the core, the mass is simply made up of dead units.
iBegToDiffer 2 years ago
Now this inherent quality of our cells, that they are alive, but finite, is a quality that we also assume. Because these are core principles that govern these cells, and since these cells make up our bodies, these principles also govern us as well.
iBegToDiffer 2 years ago
Likewise, finite time can be compared to these cells. It exists only temporarily, it has bounds and limits, and it is governed by certain principles (ex: it only moves in one direction). Assuming that a set of time is made up of these finite units, (which of course it is) the set will be governed by these same conditions. So time is not boundless, limitless and ever existent; time is not infinite.
iBegToDiffer 2 years ago
The things that the cells are comprised of ARE non-living matter. Have you taken a Biology or Chemistry class? Living matter is ultimately comprised of non-living matter. That is a matter of fact.
Furthermore, in a chain that runs infinitely in both directions, or some eternal chain, if we pluck from this chain any particular time and chop it down we can thus call that aspect finite within a scale of infinite happenings.
This is not very complicated.
JasperAvi 2 years ago
Yup taken bio, mmm.. chems not my thing.
It sounds like your saying there are two seperate infinities now. If you stop at any given point, sayy.. right now, then an infinity has already passed AND there is another infinity in the future.. sigh..
This concept is absurd, and its something that our human minds cannot even grasp, let alone apply to reality. Does this even make sense to you? Or is this just some sort of fanciful notion, that you like the idea of..
iBegToDiffer 2 years ago
This concept is hardly absurd if we envision this infinite/eternal setting as that of a circularity.
Not at all.
JasperAvi 2 years ago
You should look into gigh school biology, it will serve you well.
dylantuzyk 2 years ago
mmm..ya been there.
iBegToDiffer 2 years ago
wait, what??
are you suggesting time has never had a beginning? thats... pretty illogical.
iBegToDiffer 2 years ago
If time is merely the relation between events, then so long as events have been happening eternally, so too, time has existed eternally.
JasperAvi 2 years ago
what do you mean by "event"?
and just how could this "event" first occur without ever having been prompted?
iBegToDiffer 2 years ago
The fact of the matter is this:
Events are occurring.
Now, whether we chock this up to an endless succession of events or some magical man beginning that successions, events are existent and time is the relational tool we have to decipher the gaps between those events.
JasperAvi 2 years ago
self-contradicting your own points is always a hoot, VFX is truely a master at it
ParadigmaticShift 2 years ago
thank you, that seemed to be an extremely ignorant point of view seemingly suggesting all atheists lack good morals.
grinout 2 years ago
I don't recall saying that...
Though, as far as I can tell, we ALL lack morals, as they are a construct.
So, we're all moral and immoral....
JasperAvi 2 years ago
no, not you, the video you were responding to heh. that's how his video came off to me, he was saying automatically by being an atheist you have no or bad morals.
grinout 2 years ago
Ah, gotcha...
My bad.
JasperAvi 2 years ago
Easy target. Pick on someone new in your next update, it will draw more attention and be more interesting.
You make good points, I'd drop the blatant condescension though. I'm guilty of it too sometimes, but less is more in my opinion.
Shoemagic 2 years ago
<3
That's all I can say Avi! You are my new fave YouTubeleberity! :D
LyLMyssChaos 3 years ago
Not a Tubelebrity just yet, working my way up! :-p
JasperAvi 3 years ago
nice, I liked how you argued against his finite time argument
VSDRUMS 3 years ago
It's always a bitch of an argument to deal with, but it's way easier when you're pwning VFX on it.
JasperAvi 3 years ago
"Oh look, a laptop!" XD
Pwnt the crap out of that. Nice job.
Zorak720 3 years ago
are you related to capnoawesome
JtheJackHammer 3 years ago
Thank science, no.
JasperAvi 3 years ago
nice one. One thought: How about a being (let's say: Like a divine concept) that exists outside of time - thus being able to access our bubble of time-based reality from outside. What if that only means that he is not bound to our view of time 'a to b to c' but in fact can do 'c to a to b' or even 'a AND b AND c simultanously'. Just means that time as we view it might be some kind of 'local phenomenon'... no arguments on your other points though.
aegidaeon 3 years ago
That being still exists within time, however in a different way than we do.
Saying something doesn't exist at all in time, is saying they are at a static moment, a pure centricity.
JasperAvi 3 years ago
yes, but isn't there a discussion that maybe we all experience 'time' in a timeline concept when it - i think it was according to quantum physics - may be a static concept - which might explain why we sometimes feel like things happened 'only yesterday'. Yes, I agree, if that WAS the case then we live in a delusional 'idea' of this world an a timeline - but what if we all share the same delusional concept, like a convention - because it works too - but is just not all there is too it.
aegidaeon 3 years ago
good video
captainimij 3 years ago
Excellent pownage. 20/20
itsbizbuz 3 years ago
Awesome video, dude. Great job.
fedorajoe 3 years ago
This was all sorts of great.
seasecret658 3 years ago 2
nicely done dude x
tigertrolley 3 years ago
well done Avi.
Maybe some day one of you will be able to get through to him.
i can imagine him watching his critics with his fingers in his ears,how else after all the times he has been corrected he still thinks he is right?
wikkoo 3 years ago
Nice video. I subbed.
Comptonandjuice 3 years ago
Word
JacobSpinney 3 years ago
why Avi? It is kinda ironic, everytime people give VFX a "pwnage" video you're just feeding the troll. All energy spent trying to pwn him gives him more power and more subscribers. You're feeding him.
Also, everytime any scientist argues with a creationist, intelligent designers, etc. the scientist is giving the impression to the general public that a debate is actually going on in the scientific community. Just like when global warming is argued, logical fallacy is that two sides are equal.
Anastasius37 3 years ago
Why? Because people are sitting around going "Oh, that makes sense." And this without any real philosophical explanation as to why the assertions made in the video are wrong.
JasperAvi 3 years ago
Not only are people buying into VenomFang's fallacial arguments but these people are voting based on these beliefs. We MUST ridicule the ridiculous. Laugh at them, make them feel stupid, call them nuts in order to knock off all the idiots who claim to be christians just because everyone else is but maybe don't completely believe the nonsense. If christians become seen as UFOlogists a lot of people will drop out. Get herd mentality to work for us.
mogulwraith 3 years ago
Venomfangx is not worthy of your time. You'd seriously be better off owning a pubic louse than venomfangx...
Starmexus84 3 years ago
Is there really a difference?
JasperAvi 3 years ago
Good point. Although the louse might be more pleasant to look at than VFX...
Starmexus84 3 years ago
These VFX pwnage videos are always entertaining. And I'm a Christian.
sogren5 3 years ago
you just pwned yourself by saying that.
sampsonoff 3 years ago
not really, he can laugh at a creationist... creationism isn't the "true" Christianity.
Anastasius37 3 years ago
What is the True christianity and by what authority? The truth is, there is no such thing as True Christianity. There is not a lick of evidence, not one true authority for any of it. So no one group has any more or less right to claim what the "True" christianity is.
mogulwraith 3 years ago
I was being sarcastic, it is hard to express it in text, but I put true in quotes on purpose. No true Christianity or any other religion exists, unless you want to say by the original text is (even then interpretation).
The thing I find really fucking stupid is when atheists tell Christians they're not true Christians purely because the people who do that should be smart enough to know no such thing exists. one can use religion for the benefit of people and another for the opposite.
Anastasius37 3 years ago
Yes I suppose I did.
sogren5 3 years ago
Second off, I think your argument that god cannot be all-encompassing if the universe is finite. I could still be that god is infinite in some sense, and that the fiinite universe is encompassed by a finite subset of god.
Let me be clear that I'm an atheist and don't buy any of the nonsense that VFX spits out, but I can still discuss the question from purely logical/philosophical point of view.
Gameboygenius 3 years ago
That's not quite what I was getting at.
JasperAvi 3 years ago
First off, don't argue with VFX. He's just a big troll who's on YT all this to boost his own ego. Any reasonably intelligent individual will pwn VFX in their heads while watching the video. Any less than reasonably intelligent individuals might watch this video, look up VFX's and fall for them.
You can't argue with stupid. You can't argue deluded. You can't argue with narcissism. And you certainly can't argue with all three in the same time.
Gameboygenius 3 years ago
Nicely done!
SliceSupeRStaR 3 years ago
Good stuff , its a shame you dont have 10,000 subs cause only then will he give you a vid response, you might get an email though
TOMMYfromtheBRONX 3 years ago 4
Thanks, man. I appreciate that... You could help me get closer to 10,000... LOL
But yeah, I really don't expect a response. Like I said, this is more about the arguments than him getting involved.
JasperAvi 3 years ago
oh please you attention whore you! ;)
GrowthSpiral 3 years ago
Thanks, I appreciate it.
Coming from you it's like top of the line YouTube stuff! :)
JasperAvi 3 years ago
hmmmm that looks like my cell phone. Anyway VenomFangX seems to know he is full to it but it is always good to see someone debunk his poorly thought-out rhetoric. I need to look more into infinity.
overmind25 3 years ago 2
It's probably one of the toughest philosophical concepts to conceptualize.
JasperAvi 3 years ago
the most mind-boggling part is how we do not exist in time. we only exist in the present moment, which is timeless, thus infinite.
we are infinite, yet bond to linear time...HOW?! it hurts my brain.
how do our brains record [memory] and project into the future [cognition] in a timeless environment.
its beyond baffling to me. any thoughts?
*great video by the way.*
sampsonoff 3 years ago
Thanks
JasperAvi 3 years ago
exactly! all we CAN perceive is now - and you can't really measure this instant - and everything beyond that is created by our mind. Though it seems to work fine - who is to say it is correct...?
aegidaeon 3 years ago
indeed! it is so strange that we exist only in the absence of future or past.
our world operates on a cause and effect basis, but how can the cause (no longer tangible) effect the future (equally intangible).
i tracked down the head of my physics department and philosophy of science prof to pick their brains on the subject.
nothing new, just full agreement that it is a conundrum.
an interesting suggestion is that time, as we know it, is largely an human illusion we have evolved into.
sampsonoff 3 years ago
*of it
overmind25 3 years ago
Good job. He will never understand that argument about a god "out of time" is out of order.
ekenthor 3 years ago
I recognize he won't get it, but it's more important that others recognize the ridiculousness of his arguments.
Thanks :)
JasperAvi 3 years ago
1+x=x
williamcardno 3 years ago
Infinity FTW
JasperAvi 3 years ago