as to load of bull the britishwatcher said,first of all some are true, but those were the old days, great britain is just the remains of an old empire long time ago, its time for you Scottish people to stand up for your nation..like some say britain can only be great when her communties are equal nations.as for the british media...if their from england they say their english, if not british,doctor who yea bbc Wales always boast about it.made in Wales by BBC WALES crap but it shows London on it!
like the song! :) good point too! I dont see why unionsits are so negative...anyone who says Scotland will be poor after independence has no idea about how a country runs, a country like France or Australia is strong and a first world nation not because they are big nations, but because their government is strong and supports its people same thing as Scotland, the SNP and Alex Salmond are the best, wished we had a FM like him here in Wales...he would make a better PM than Cameron!!
The "proclaimers TWO of the geekiest .Nerdiest wackiest fkn Oddballs ever to come out of the norhern hemishpere!! Every geezer ah know falls about laughinwhen these two nuggets are mentioned . ah swear if these two lived in Glesga crowds ah weans wid be folowin them Every day , thrownin stanes and laughin at theas 2 freaks!!The Asylum haircuts, Twelve inch thick milkbotle glasses.Six inch overhanging teeth , combined with that crazy zany "Embra accent" a perra madcap fkn screwballs !!
Good video, though you forget the £1/2bn block grant you get from Westminster & the good things you get from the union.
Indeed you could survive as an independent nation, but you'd be a lot poorer. The North Sea oil fields are run down & are mostly owned by the English (due to the angle of the coast).
Besides what difference would it make in the context of the EU?
And I dunno why you show Gordon Brown as evidence that you're ruled from London- he was Scottish born & bred last time I checked..
@MrScottishJamie About Oil you are correct - I saw a recent spectator article saying that Scots would indeed get most of the oil.
£1/2bn is what it is estimated Scotland gets net (i.e. the difference between 69 billion from Scottish Trade and the greater amount of money which goes from Westminster to Scotland.
Regarding wars and keeping Scotland, it's a national pride thing and most Conservatives happen to be unionist.
@tdp1909 read the mcrone report which westminster tried to hide from the scottish people on the subject of oil
if scotland is such a achilles heel to england why is david cameron and chums desperate to hold on to scotland scots would fight in english wars without any say in the matter and on the front line to die
scots cant vote on all things in scotland because of the lack of powers in scotland
scots cant take a loan but england can for its nukes to be placed in scotland
Scotland, N.I. Wales...PLEASE break away from the UK..and give ENGLAND our freedom!!
You can keep your Kilts, Haggis, crap football,Cabre Tossing, rotten teeth and your religious sectarianism. Brown, Darling etc...get out of our beautiful English parliament. The Irish and Icelandic economy collapsed during the financial crisis..did you notice how the SNP etc..went very quiet! Ha Ha Ha.
Independence for ENGLAND..the sooner the better... and good riddance to a miserable small minded nation.
anybody that votes labour is a wanker. gordan browns fav sportin moment is gascoine scoring into scotland. is it may 2010 the REAL scots ul vote yes .. n unionist dicks can vote no .. n prefer the best for england .. if your a scot yool want snp and independence !!!
apparently if we do vote independence but the queen will still have somethin to do with scotland .. if thats true then maybe independence is what we can settle for the now .. then maybe later weel get a referendum to get the old bitch to fuck
England does not subsidise Scotland, look at the facts before you post anything. And I for one would rather be the "EU's Bitch" as you put it than a "British Region" such as England.. a country that doesnt even have its own Government.
Scotland doesn't have a true government, otherwise there would be no rallying call for independence from the UK government.
I agree (with deepest sorrow) that England doesn't really exist anymore and the sooner the Scots declare independence, the sooner an English government will be formed.
PS
I'm anti-EU, anti-UK, anti NWO.
Local government for local people. I'd rather be less-off financially than be dicated to by someone that doesn't understand my culture.
The SNP when it comes to domestic policies seems to be pretty good although like all left wing parties they are very weak on crime and things like that.
But internationally, an independent Scottish voice is a weak one. The UK is a leading member of NATO, it has a seat on the UN security council, its a major member of the EU, its a member of the g8, g20 etc.. all of these things Scotland would have very little say in if it became independence.
aye u think that, its scotland that keeps britain gone with oor north sea oil, but the british uses us for that and england get more money and we dont even benefit from it and oor voice is weak the noo bein in the union, so dont geez it pal, independence brings bigger voice, stronger nation, thats why the british goverment are to feart to bring a referendum because they want to oor oil for themselfs, NAH, FINISHES NOO!!
and its under the voice of britain is the reason why we dont have a voice of oor own, so we wid huv a bigger voice and its everything we get goes to london because they have the control over us and we need 2 do wot they say, nah nae chance, FREEDOM, will bring us a successful nation pal, britain is doing NOTHING for us except using us, britain has no scottish culture either, its all england
Britain has no scottish culture? Is Rule Britannia just English? when its based on a poem by a Scotsman?
On new years everyone in Britain sings Auld Lang Syne, along with many of our former British colonies.
Bagpipes often have a central role in British military displays.
When you see TV shows, are those just English ones or are they British ones? The last Doctor Who was filmed in Wales, and had a Scottish Doctor. So was that just English?
This same Scotsman lived most of his life in england with british ideals not Scottish. People from all over the world sing Auld Lang Syne so whats your point? The QE2 could have been built in a Whisky drinking Hagis factory in Inverness but she'd still be an English ship because there's never been a QE 1st of great britain never mind QE 2nd hence why it will always be and english ship!
Its a British ship. Queen Elizabeth II is Queen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. If here was King Robert it would be King Robert IV despite the fact there has never been a Robert on the throne of England or the UK.
@TheBritishWatcher How true !But nothing cld ever please the the morbid crakcpots that advocate "indpendence"Headcase,s who,s minds are set 800 yearsAgo! "The Wallace".... The Vikings! .. The Bruce....whit aboot yonKing Edward?.. bliddy scoundral so he wiz!!...These nutters live in a fantasy land. but dont be misled,some of them are dangerous. Driven by hate of English people,and the u.k. these clowns can create lies myths and half truths that wld make Goebells blush!.Inciters of hate..TheSNP!
Ofcourse it depends what you define Scottish culture as. We all have visions of a classic Scotsman in his kilt, but most Scots do not wear kilts every day.
Was the QE2, the most famous ships in the world. English? Scottish? no it was British. What about the Royal family is that just English? no Its British. Lets not forget it was a Scottish King that took the throne of England and laid the foundations for the Kingdom of Great Britain.
I sincerely hope that you do obtain independence. We, the English, are tired of subsidizing you lazy Scots all the time. Review of the Bartlet formula and sea border anyone? Yes please. Hopefully, you and the Welsh parasites will gain independence!
I hate to say this, but I think you'll find that the natives of your own country are lazier than in mine. The Employment rate is lower in England, unemployment higher, the rest of worklessness is higher. And England has a deficit that is higher too. So much for English taxes, they can hardly subsidise Scotland when they can't even cover expenditure in England.
its not only about oil for fuk sake! its about scotland being able to made there own decisions for the benefit of her own ppl without londons interference all u english/unionist basterds cant seem to understand that can you? why dont u just let the scottish ppl decide foe themselfs about wot they feel is right without pocking your noses in eh? but i suppose thats england all over isnt it? thye know thye are goin to be loosing scottish tax payers money and they shitting themselfs !
first of all, England is currently run by a Scottish prime minister that no one in England voted for. Thats fine with me because 300 years ago the Scottish parliament voted to join with England and form the Kingdom of Great Britain. England and Scotland are no longer sovereign countries.
With the argument you use, the same case could be made for splitting up Scotland itself into the highlands, lowlands etc.
Scotland gets a good deal out of this union and the figures show this to be the case.
So if, according to you, and these other shadowy figures, Scotland gets a good deal out of the union, what, according to you, does England get out of it, if anything? Be honest now.
Economically when it comes to England i wouldnt know as ive not looked at those figures. I think all parts of the United Kingdom contributes to the union and they all get things out of it.
The trouble is internally all countries have differences. Within England itself the south east of England bascially subsidizes the north of England, but that doesnt make them less "english" or lead to a break up of England. The US has 50 states, some have huge economies, but they all get just 2 senators.
I dont want the union to continue because of economic reasons, although breaking up a western country in the 21st century that has been united for 300 years (longer than the USA has been a country) is going to cost our economies billions just to implement, thats before all the negative implications of such a change
Understand that i consider myself British just as you consider yourself Scottish and you want what you think is best for your country, i do too, so i dont want my country destroyed
Well I do want independence for economic reasons. And cultural reasons. And political reasons. And societal reasons. The immediate bonanza of independence- Edinburgh would become a real capital city (a lot of money involved in foreign embasies) Glasgow would develop fully fledged tv, radio and film industry, Aberdeen would be Europes oil and gas nerve centre, the Highlands its' renewables. Stay with the UK and waste our potential as London centralizes everything and goes nuclear.
How is London centralizin everything when within the past decade we have seen devolution which was a huge transfer of power to Scotland.
You state a nice wish list, but do you have any idea how much all of that will cost? This is why i said the SNP have had no detailed plans, theyve not even given an estimate to how much establishing its own tv, radio and film industry would cost. And as i said before Scottish actors and commentators have done very well out of this union.
Perhaps someone could inform me if the SNP have stated such things as i suggested or if you have your own ideas on what will be fair?
Should the UK assets and debts be divided up based on population size, GDP?
Should Scotlands share of the assets go to pay for the cost of independence? Is it really fair the people of England, Wales and NI pay for a choice made by the people of Scotland?
If Scotland wants to leave the UK it should pick up most of the bill in my opinion. Fair?
Thats fair yes. Im a strong supporter of the union and Great Britain but i respect the people of Scotlands right to decide if they wish to remain part of the union or not.
If they vote to leave the UK then their wishes must be respected and supported, Scotland and England will have to work together closely no matter what happens to the union.
But people should be given the FULL facts before being asked to make such decissions, and all the SNP documents and sites i have seen they just dont.
We will pick up most of the bill once past iniquities have been settled. Once the huge, and I mean huge, amount of oil revenue, which does not appear in the Barnet Formula but nontheless keeps the UK economy afloat, which has been squandered by Westminster is returned to Scotland. Once we have all other monies returned to us, including the £35m youth sports development money Scotland is going to lose because of London's Olympics, aka "Dome Mark II".
LMAO, you think you have a right to claim back past revenues of oil from the United Kingdom government? You are living in a dream world.
If you want that back, then i think Scotland should pay the UK government for protecting those waters for the past 300 years and what about all the investment Scotland had seen before oil became a profitable revenue a few decades ago.
Oil is not the only thing in the world although i know u separatists are obsessed with it.
As for the olympics, those games were secured under a Scottish chancellor and a Prime Minister who was born in Scotland and atleast part Scottish.
You are stupid if you think you can look at such important issues and just presume Scotland is owed this, that and the other. Its far more complicated.
IF the BBC had to be divided up or simply become English only, perhaps the people of England should be paid back for Scotlands right to view all those programs, mostly paid for by the English.
If Scotland was independent there would bee no "oweing"!Scotland & Britain would go there own way,Scotland gining resources in there own lands & water.Vice versa for Britain.
Scotland would get its resources, which is basically about oil but that wont last for ever. The UK government makes 10 billion a year (only recently became that much), that sort of money is not enough to pay for Scottish independence. The costs will be huge, but ofcourse the SNP want people to go into a referendum blind, not knowing the true cost of the Break up of the United Kingdom.
People should be given the facts and reality to the matter, rather than just scotlands oil will pay for it all
Ofcourse the fine detail will have to be decided and agreed to between the British government and Scottish government following a referendum, but that doesnt mean we should get no details at all.
The SNP has yet to provide ANY idea of what % of British Assets and Debts they think is fair. There is no detailed info on the cost of creating a country in the 21st century
All we ever hear from them is OIL, NO IRAQ War, NO Nuclear weapons. Im sorry those things wont cover Scottish independence.
The economic sitaution of Scotland is very much dependent on the settlement. Sadly Alex Salmond goes into no detail about how the UK assets will be divided and what he thinks Scotland should get.
I believe such facts should be given to the people of scotland BEFORE they vote on something which will impact their entire families future.
When people understand the true cost of creating a new country in the 21st century, some of the SNP support will fade away :)
The big question is when confronted with the facts will you get over yourself and realise that you're wrong? Because I agree the facts should be out there- problem is the media dosen't provide them.
im sorry but its not for the media to provide such facts its for the SNP to make clear EXACTLY what they propose and the full cost / implications of it.
Their webpage glosses over the issue of independence, with basic summaries of how Scotland could benefit, but they provide NO hard facts and details
The SNP has not said how much of UK wealth they think they should be given, how much of UK debt, how all UK assets will be split up, What happens to the UK national media etc..
What do you mean it's not for the media to provide to provide such facts?!?!! What are they for in that case, surely more than stories about swearing on radio? So according to you, people have to get all their information from political parties' websites... What about the 99.5% of the population with no inclination to go to that said length? The media does provide a platform for anti independence hearsay it should provde people with the facts about the issues. National Conversation....?
No, what i am saying is it is for those that seek Independence (the SNP) to detail the costs and implications of breaking up this United Kingdom. They should provide that information to the media and the media should report it, but its not the job of the media to decide what the SNP is thinking.
The SNP fails to provide the facts, the national conversation hasnt dealt with issues in detail and their website which list benefits sums up basic one sided views with NO detail at all.
Surely the people of Scotland should have ALL the facts before being asked to vote on an issue that will impact on their entire families life.
Ofcourse most of the media is biased on this issue (although they are not just printing lies about the SNP) When a country is in a war, its media will hardly back the enemy. Im sorry but separatists seek to destroy the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland making them a threat. Those separatists will hardly be considered mainstream
And there we have it! From a unionist, a rare admission indeed, well done. So we're not mainstream, we're in effect the enemy and therefor should not be treated fairly by the media. How very Goebellion. Well this is not a war, we are not seeking to destroy anyone. We only want equality for Scotland. In the future people will look back at unionist arguments in disbelief, as we look back on flat earth'ers.
You are certainly not mainstream. Those who support the break up of the United Kingdom are separatists and yes i consider anyone who seeks the destruction of my country an enemy.
I like sevearal people who support the SNP and an independent Scotland despite their politics, they are entitled to such views thanks to the fact we all live in a free society today.
But when a referendum is called, the SNP is an enemy and a threat to the state. Unionists will crush them (within the law ofcourse) =)
ROTFLMAO. Just how many people do you need, before you qualify as 'mainstream'in your strange little world? Support for independence is as high or hiogher than support for the status quo add to that all the undecided and there is more than enough people to win a referendum- so how's that for being 'crushed' lol.
Typically for a rabid unionist you need to get your facts right (ie 'english pay for bbc')and rely a little less on party lines you've learned from biased london owned newspapers.
Umm excuse please show me the evidence that the majority support independence? this is simply lies.
Even Salmond admits there isnt majority support for independence yet. Take a look at the last scottish election. 60% of the vote went to parties that SUPPORT the union. The separatist SNP won ONE extra seat than labour at a time when they were unpopular across the UK, even then the SNP only beat labour in one seat with a majority of 48. lmao
No, I'm sorry, there you go again with this 'mainstream' stuff- I think you don't quite know the meaning of the word. First sign of being stupid is making the same mistakes over and over (second is voting labour or tory or lib dem). How about you actually look at the polls? That'd be a start. Then you'd see that undecideds can swing the result either way- thus surely independence is a mainstream position- just like unionism. Now how about you state the reasons we should stick with the uk. LOL!
I am sorry but separatists are not the mainstream. Polls show different things, almost all i have seen show a majority still support the union
Ofcourse polls are unreliable, so we have to look at actual voting records. I find it hard to believe the majority of voters for Labour, conservatives and the lib dems support breaking up the union. there for separatists are not the mainstream
2010 will prove this to be the case and as salmond has said, it will put the question to bed for a generation
It will be for the separatist minority to prove the case for a break up of the United Kingdom. There are many reasons why Scotland should remain part of the UK and when the SNP have the courage to actually call for the referendum (they have been in power a year already) then the unionists in Scotland will unite to crush this.
Scotland gets a good deal from this union as do all parts of the United Kingdom. I know separatists wish to skip the past 300 years but it has to be considered.
Well, I asked you to state the reasons for remaining in the UK. 2 posts later and no answer, unless that vague drivel about history was it. C'mon give us some kind of actual, rational, argument, this stuff is just boring.
I have never said i am Scottish, im British with English roots. Again it is the job of separatists who seek change to justify that change.
There are many reasons why Scotland should remain part of the United Kingdom, perhaps the most important is most people in Scotland do support the union and at the previous election over 60% of all votes went to unionist parties and not the separatists
What about the economic issues? The SNP have not even estimated the actual COST of breaking up the union
A few points- There are many reasons? Really? People such as your good self say things like that but seldom back it up- as in this case. We don't know what the result of a referendum would be. And though your lot like to pretend to have confidence in the strength of unionism you're parties are all afraid of asking the people fairly and squarely. Costs? Like not having to spend billions on Trident?, London olympics and Domes? Invading other countries at the request of madmen?
Its true we do not know how the people will vote in a referendum, however in previous elections over 60% of the vote always goes to unionist parties. Now i accept some may vote for those parties whilst wanting an independent Scotland, but the majority of those voters are going to vote for the union to continue.
AS for bein afraid of holding a referendum. Last time i checked the SNP has been in power for a year and they have yet to offically attempt to hold a referendum on this. Why do they wait
LOL They wait for what I think is quite a good, novel, idea... because IN THE MANIFESTO THEY SAID THEY'D HOLD IT IN 2010. Political party sticks to it's manifesto shock horror! A nice coincidence of that year will be the fact that the Conservatives will be in power in Westminster (despite being in 4th place in Scotland). So a few extra votes for independence there then.
As for dealing with the cost. You have just done what all separatists do, instead of actually dealing with how much it might cost the same list is always quoted. An independent Scotland wouldnt spend billions on trident and wars.
Well whislt Scotland wouldnt have trident (something that creates 1000s of jobs in Scotland) how do you know what wars Scotland would and wouldnt join in with. Separatists speak as if the SNP government will always be in power which would not be the case.
I know you meant setting up embasies printing flags etc etc Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Fair enough you concentrate on tiny little details if you want. I prefer to look at the bigger picture- ie all the investment and all the extra tourists this event would attract in the comming century. You really do show a lack of understanding if you think an independent Scotland would have jumped at the chance to invade Iraq whatever it's government. The SNP is a broad church which will be replaced by others after.
Also we shouldnt forget that over the past 11 years when labour has been in power and some of those choices have been made, Scottish people have been in power.
Tony blair was born in Scotland and is part Scottish. Gordon Brown the only person in Labour who could of rebelled against blair and stopped the invasion of Iraq is Scottish.
London Olympics happened under them aswell. Although that money is well spent and ofcourse Scotland gets its own games in 2014 anyway.
Unionists love to point out that the UK is run by Scots. On our side of it we prefer to think of success in terms of national rather than the personal success of a few individuals. Don't forget the loyal opposition Tory (English nationalist party) party wanted the invasion too. Incidently 2014 will be paid for by Glasgow and Holyrood- not by stealing English good causes lottery money. We wish you had returned the favour for 2012. Bet Kelvin McKenzie dosn't mention that in his rag.
what a truely shamfull reply. Blair and brown might have scottish roots(although both try really hard to ignore them) however they were voted in, and are not some invating power who took over labour. the cost of having scottish tv, scottish post sevice, scottish defence etc would be presumably the same as we spend just now???????? In fact since we spent way to much on defence it would probably be reduced. (and yes iunderstand start up cost mightbe a little big the first year)
They have Scottish roots and ofcourse Brown was elected in Scotland;. Hes attacking the policies over the last 10 years i was simply pointing out whos responsible for them
On Scottish TV, the media question has always interested me. Right now Scotland gets all the programs paid for by the UK. England pays by far the biggest bill towards the BBC, so A scottish broadcaster would only own 10% of the content?
Same with others, they get money from advertising. Theyd get less for a small population
On the defense, yes im sure Scotlands budget would be smaller because the SNP do not take security seriously. They would withdraw Scotland from NATO for a start, something that is vital for long term national security. They are so short sighted they fail to accept there are global threats out there.
Defense was mentioned the other night on question time. Nichola sturgeon mentioned Norway. SHe forgot, Norway is part of NATO and has military conscription.. U wanna copy them?
The SNP is anti nato and doesnt want Scotland to be part of it.. U have just said urself u think that the unionist parties will be voted out in other elections, well from where im sitting that will only leave the SNP..
Lets not forget we are in afghanistan because 67 British citizens along with 1000s of Americans (our allies) were killed on 9/11.
@TheBritishWatcher The main enemy of britain was russia , but they would have only bombed scotland because we are seen as a part of england and had english and u.s nuclear bombs on are soil as far away from LONDON as possilble i might add , that threat has gone . Who would go to go to war ageanst scotland ? come on !
The majority of Scotlands trade is with the rest of the United Kingdom, should that union break up how badly will Scotlands trade, businesses and government revenue be impacted?
When we look at the actual figures. a Figure the SNP have supported.. in 2008 the SNP loved the fact Scotland had an 800 million budget surplus, ofcourse when we look back a couple of years we see thats not always been the case.
From 2002 - 2007 (including Scotlands North sea oil)
A few points- The majourity of New Zealands'and Irelands' trade was with the UK before independence and after. It isn't any more and they're both wealthier. The EU is a free trade area- so Scotland would have no difficulties there or anywhere else in the world in fact- it, naturally, depends on quality and value. What about all the 'British' and international companies trading in Scotland whilst using hqs in London? Well, they would require Scottish hq's -lots of jobs and real wealth.
Scotland as part of the European Union would of course be entitled to operate throughout England. However such rights to operate doesnt mean Scottish companies will be treated the same way. There is going to be a backlash after a break up of the union (non violent ofcourse) but alot of people will change their brands.
Also it will no longer be accetapble for English transport contracts to go to two foreign companies like Stagecoach and FirstBus. I think you downplay the impact on ur businesses.
Wow you do make me LOL! think about it..... Tesco Safeway Sainsbury Argos The Sun the Times etc etc English companies are all over Scotland- it's a two way street. In any case scots companies will thrive more than ever before and if they offer quality won't fail to make profit- if not in England then elsewhere.
On foreign companies getting contracts.. what about your nuclear power stations (french) wembly stadium (australian)? It's a big world out there.
Then if we look at Scotlands total expenditure / revenue (including scotlands north sea oil)
Total current revenue 06-07: 49,915
Total expenditure 06-07 : 49,895
Oh dear Scotland lost out on 20 million pounds in that year. But if we look at 2004/5..
Total current revenue : 41,591
Total expenditure : 44,073
Hmmmm so 2 billion MORE that year. Devolution is a new thing, allocation of spending is also clearly still up for debate but the fact remains Scotland doesnt get ripped off.
Im sorry but look at the figures on the Scottish government website (A website the separatists currently sadly control). Earlier in the year the SNP were over the moon about 800 million budget surplus for Scotland and said it justified independence.
If that figure is accurate and ok for the SNP to use then we all shouldnt ignore the other facts and figures contained in the same document. people cant just pick out little bits they like.
Actually there are a number of traditional Labour supporters (and of the other U parties) who support independence according to polls. Anything up to 40% so perhaps you are being a bit complacent. Of course there was a lot of celebrations of the tri-centenary of the union in Scotland wasn't there? Actually, outside the Orange Lodge there wasn't any!
The union isnt over until the fat man sings, and he hasnt won yet.
We shall see how the vote in the upcoming election goes. When the results come in, add up the numbers who vote for Labour, Lib Dem and Conservative and see how it compares with the SNPs vote.
there is NO majority support for destroying this union. When the referendum is finally called and war is waged against the separatists you will be defeated with ease :)
Then poor Alex Salmond will of failed in his mission and retire. =)
I agree with your statement about there being no majority, rather no clear majority yet. I would put that down to good people like yourself who have no concept of love for their country and cant distinguish the difference between a fair deal with the union and the fact that it robs us blind. Even if you were to read some facts about Scotlands true financial position you would still be blinded by your own ignorance....
As far as the unions concerned the writing is on the wall. First point being the only party in Scotland capable of challenging the SNP is Labour and look at the state of them! Another point being that the Tories will win the next General election and if your memory serves you right they hate the Scots as it showed the last time they were in power, not even to mention Thatcher! So to draw my conclusion most Scots will vote for the SNP in the next election and vote yes to the referendum.
Labour are not doing well but that doesnt mean they will lose the next general election which is still over a year away, alot can happen in that time. Also despite the troubles labour are in, they may still win the upcoming bi election in Scotland.
I accept if the tories win it will make the referendum harder to win, but even with the conservatives in power the unionist vote combined will be enough to maintain the union.
Remember in EVERY scottish election the union vote beats the SNP.
Im sorry but Scotland benefits from this union and failing to accept that is foolish. Oil is not going to last forever although Salmond may want it to.
It will take a few decades of Scotlands oil to pay off their share of the UK debt if it did become independent.
The union has lasted 300 years, most of that time we were not getting money from "Scottish oil" oh and those waters were defended and secured by the BRITISH navy (most of which were English ships originally and by English sailors)
as to load of bull the britishwatcher said,first of all some are true, but those were the old days, great britain is just the remains of an old empire long time ago, its time for you Scottish people to stand up for your nation..like some say britain can only be great when her communties are equal nations.as for the british media...if their from england they say their english, if not british,doctor who yea bbc Wales always boast about it.made in Wales by BBC WALES crap but it shows London on it!
milo88100 7 months ago
like the song! :) good point too! I dont see why unionsits are so negative...anyone who says Scotland will be poor after independence has no idea about how a country runs, a country like France or Australia is strong and a first world nation not because they are big nations, but because their government is strong and supports its people same thing as Scotland, the SNP and Alex Salmond are the best, wished we had a FM like him here in Wales...he would make a better PM than Cameron!!
milo88100 7 months ago
The "proclaimers TWO of the geekiest .Nerdiest wackiest fkn Oddballs ever to come out of the norhern hemishpere!! Every geezer ah know falls about laughinwhen these two nuggets are mentioned . ah swear if these two lived in Glesga crowds ah weans wid be folowin them Every day , thrownin stanes and laughin at theas 2 freaks!!The Asylum haircuts, Twelve inch thick milkbotle glasses.Six inch overhanging teeth , combined with that crazy zany "Embra accent" a perra madcap fkn screwballs !!
NOVATICANWARS 8 months ago
Whats this song called??
CarrieJardine 9 months ago
DOWN WITH THE UNION !
SNIPERSTEVE23 1 year ago
the picture of the scottish sldiers (the thin thin red line) they were fighting for britain ass
pancakes610 1 year ago
Brilliant
TheJacobiker 1 year ago
Good video, though you forget the £1/2bn block grant you get from Westminster & the good things you get from the union.
Indeed you could survive as an independent nation, but you'd be a lot poorer. The North Sea oil fields are run down & are mostly owned by the English (due to the angle of the coast).
Besides what difference would it make in the context of the EU?
And I dunno why you show Gordon Brown as evidence that you're ruled from London- he was Scottish born & bred last time I checked..
tdp1909 1 year ago
@tdp1909 hmm a interesting comment
£1/2bn block grant ? out of the 69 billion fund from scottish trade
mostly owned by the english your having a laugh iam afraid english oil is only 10%
Gordon brown is british national
Alex salmond is scottish natonal
MrScottishJamie 9 months ago
@MrScottishJamie About Oil you are correct - I saw a recent spectator article saying that Scots would indeed get most of the oil.
£1/2bn is what it is estimated Scotland gets net (i.e. the difference between 69 billion from Scottish Trade and the greater amount of money which goes from Westminster to Scotland.
Regarding wars and keeping Scotland, it's a national pride thing and most Conservatives happen to be unionist.
tdp1909 9 months ago
@tdp1909 read the mcrone report which westminster tried to hide from the scottish people on the subject of oil
if scotland is such a achilles heel to england why is david cameron and chums desperate to hold on to scotland scots would fight in english wars without any say in the matter and on the front line to die
scots cant vote on all things in scotland because of the lack of powers in scotland
scots cant take a loan but england can for its nukes to be placed in scotland
MrScottishJamie 9 months ago
Scotland, N.I. Wales...PLEASE break away from the UK..and give ENGLAND our freedom!!
You can keep your Kilts, Haggis, crap football,Cabre Tossing, rotten teeth and your religious sectarianism. Brown, Darling etc...get out of our beautiful English parliament. The Irish and Icelandic economy collapsed during the financial crisis..did you notice how the SNP etc..went very quiet! Ha Ha Ha.
Independence for ENGLAND..the sooner the better... and good riddance to a miserable small minded nation.
troikagirl 2 years ago 2
Well said... Please don't think that all Scots want independance. Most of us don't, The vote will prove that. British and proud. Rule Britannia !!!
MOONCRESTER 2 years ago
@troikagirl get a grip mate and get to know your shitty country you call england
o0scotland0o 10 months ago
anybody that votes labour is a wanker. gordan browns fav sportin moment is gascoine scoring into scotland. is it may 2010 the REAL scots ul vote yes .. n unionist dicks can vote no .. n prefer the best for england .. if your a scot yool want snp and independence !!!
Rfc1Darryl 2 years ago
well in mate. couldny agree more!
richardm292 2 years ago
apparently if we do vote independence but the queen will still have somethin to do with scotland .. if thats true then maybe independence is what we can settle for the now .. then maybe later weel get a referendum to get the old bitch to fuck
Rfc1Darryl 2 years ago
Great video, we will never surrender, SCOTLAND FOREVER!
BonnieBlueFlag1314 2 years ago
England does not subsidise Scotland, look at the facts before you post anything. And I for one would rather be the "EU's Bitch" as you put it than a "British Region" such as England.. a country that doesnt even have its own Government.
qpodcity 2 years ago
Scotland doesn't have a true government, otherwise there would be no rallying call for independence from the UK government.
I agree (with deepest sorrow) that England doesn't really exist anymore and the sooner the Scots declare independence, the sooner an English government will be formed.
PS
I'm anti-EU, anti-UK, anti NWO.
Local government for local people. I'd rather be less-off financially than be dicated to by someone that doesn't understand my culture.
GIW2009 2 years ago
If Scotland ever gained it's freedom after any referendum then there would be another lot of elections I believe.
First thing we would hopefully do would be to get rid of any unionist parties then there may not be any need for a party like the SNP?
Either way I think they give us a louder/better voice than Labour does or could.
Rebellion1314 2 years ago
The SNP when it comes to domestic policies seems to be pretty good although like all left wing parties they are very weak on crime and things like that.
But internationally, an independent Scottish voice is a weak one. The UK is a leading member of NATO, it has a seat on the UN security council, its a major member of the EU, its a member of the g8, g20 etc.. all of these things Scotland would have very little say in if it became independence.
TheBritishWatcher 2 years ago
aye u think that, its scotland that keeps britain gone with oor north sea oil, but the british uses us for that and england get more money and we dont even benefit from it and oor voice is weak the noo bein in the union, so dont geez it pal, independence brings bigger voice, stronger nation, thats why the british goverment are to feart to bring a referendum because they want to oor oil for themselfs, NAH, FINISHES NOO!!
scotlandforever2009 2 years ago
Scotland gets its fair share of expenditure, the Scottish government website now controlled by separatists shows this.
We have a stronger voice united, and a far weaker one divided.
TheBritishWatcher 2 years ago
and its under the voice of britain is the reason why we dont have a voice of oor own, so we wid huv a bigger voice and its everything we get goes to london because they have the control over us and we need 2 do wot they say, nah nae chance, FREEDOM, will bring us a successful nation pal, britain is doing NOTHING for us except using us, britain has no scottish culture either, its all england
scotlandforever2009 2 years ago
Britain has no scottish culture? Is Rule Britannia just English? when its based on a poem by a Scotsman?
On new years everyone in Britain sings Auld Lang Syne, along with many of our former British colonies.
Bagpipes often have a central role in British military displays.
When you see TV shows, are those just English ones or are they British ones? The last Doctor Who was filmed in Wales, and had a Scottish Doctor. So was that just English?
TheBritishWatcher 2 years ago
This same Scotsman lived most of his life in england with british ideals not Scottish. People from all over the world sing Auld Lang Syne so whats your point? The QE2 could have been built in a Whisky drinking Hagis factory in Inverness but she'd still be an English ship because there's never been a QE 1st of great britain never mind QE 2nd hence why it will always be and english ship!
Rebellion1314 2 years ago
Its a British ship. Queen Elizabeth II is Queen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. If here was King Robert it would be King Robert IV despite the fact there has never been a Robert on the throne of England or the UK.
TheBritishWatcher 2 years ago
@TheBritishWatcher How true !But nothing cld ever please the the morbid crakcpots that advocate "indpendence"Headcase,s who,s minds are set 800 yearsAgo! "The Wallace".... The Vikings! .. The Bruce....whit aboot yonKing Edward?.. bliddy scoundral so he wiz!!...These nutters live in a fantasy land. but dont be misled,some of them are dangerous. Driven by hate of English people,and the u.k. these clowns can create lies myths and half truths that wld make Goebells blush!.Inciters of hate..TheSNP!
NOVATICANWARS 8 months ago
Ofcourse it depends what you define Scottish culture as. We all have visions of a classic Scotsman in his kilt, but most Scots do not wear kilts every day.
Was the QE2, the most famous ships in the world. English? Scottish? no it was British. What about the Royal family is that just English? no Its British. Lets not forget it was a Scottish King that took the throne of England and laid the foundations for the Kingdom of Great Britain.
That Scottish king had our union flag designed.
TheBritishWatcher 2 years ago
I sincerely hope that you do obtain independence. We, the English, are tired of subsidizing you lazy Scots all the time. Review of the Bartlet formula and sea border anyone? Yes please. Hopefully, you and the Welsh parasites will gain independence!
GIW2009 2 years ago
I hate to say this, but I think you'll find that the natives of your own country are lazier than in mine. The Employment rate is lower in England, unemployment higher, the rest of worklessness is higher. And England has a deficit that is higher too. So much for English taxes, they can hardly subsidise Scotland when they can't even cover expenditure in England.
globaltraveller 2 years ago
Ha ha, yes, maybe it's true and I'm glad someone finally bit the bait I left over a month ago.
Scotland will do fine with independence due to the rich oil reserves in the North Sea.
What is it that you are waiting for, declare independence ASAP.
The UK has become an irrelevant union, and we should return to pre-1707 times.
We, the English, should be ruled by the English and no other.
GIW2009 2 years ago
I support independace
but im not sure if i want SNP to rule
nickidee15 2 years ago
if you gain independence
you'll be the EUs bitch
scarff94 3 years ago
its not only about oil for fuk sake! its about scotland being able to made there own decisions for the benefit of her own ppl without londons interference all u english/unionist basterds cant seem to understand that can you? why dont u just let the scottish ppl decide foe themselfs about wot they feel is right without pocking your noses in eh? but i suppose thats england all over isnt it? thye know thye are goin to be loosing scottish tax payers money and they shitting themselfs !
ScotlandTheBrave88 3 years ago
first of all, England is currently run by a Scottish prime minister that no one in England voted for. Thats fine with me because 300 years ago the Scottish parliament voted to join with England and form the Kingdom of Great Britain. England and Scotland are no longer sovereign countries.
With the argument you use, the same case could be made for splitting up Scotland itself into the highlands, lowlands etc.
Scotland gets a good deal out of this union and the figures show this to be the case.
TheBritishWatcher 3 years ago
So if, according to you, and these other shadowy figures, Scotland gets a good deal out of the union, what, according to you, does England get out of it, if anything? Be honest now.
mesmiths 3 years ago
Economically when it comes to England i wouldnt know as ive not looked at those figures. I think all parts of the United Kingdom contributes to the union and they all get things out of it.
The trouble is internally all countries have differences. Within England itself the south east of England bascially subsidizes the north of England, but that doesnt make them less "english" or lead to a break up of England. The US has 50 states, some have huge economies, but they all get just 2 senators.
TheBritishWatcher 3 years ago
I dont want the union to continue because of economic reasons, although breaking up a western country in the 21st century that has been united for 300 years (longer than the USA has been a country) is going to cost our economies billions just to implement, thats before all the negative implications of such a change
Understand that i consider myself British just as you consider yourself Scottish and you want what you think is best for your country, i do too, so i dont want my country destroyed
TheBritishWatcher 3 years ago
Well I do want independence for economic reasons. And cultural reasons. And political reasons. And societal reasons. The immediate bonanza of independence- Edinburgh would become a real capital city (a lot of money involved in foreign embasies) Glasgow would develop fully fledged tv, radio and film industry, Aberdeen would be Europes oil and gas nerve centre, the Highlands its' renewables. Stay with the UK and waste our potential as London centralizes everything and goes nuclear.
mesmiths 3 years ago 3
How is London centralizin everything when within the past decade we have seen devolution which was a huge transfer of power to Scotland.
You state a nice wish list, but do you have any idea how much all of that will cost? This is why i said the SNP have had no detailed plans, theyve not even given an estimate to how much establishing its own tv, radio and film industry would cost. And as i said before Scottish actors and commentators have done very well out of this union.
TheBritishWatcher 3 years ago
Perhaps someone could inform me if the SNP have stated such things as i suggested or if you have your own ideas on what will be fair?
Should the UK assets and debts be divided up based on population size, GDP?
Should Scotlands share of the assets go to pay for the cost of independence? Is it really fair the people of England, Wales and NI pay for a choice made by the people of Scotland?
If Scotland wants to leave the UK it should pick up most of the bill in my opinion. Fair?
TheBritishWatcher 3 years ago
I can't answer for anyone else, let alone a political pary like the SNP. I'm sure they will have considered these very questions in depth.
If I can, I will try to get hold of their manifesto to see if there are any details in that or anything that mentions the question od UK debts.
I agree that they should let the Scottish people know a bit more about the implications.
They should also tell the Scottish people about the implications of not gaining independence.
Rebellion1314 3 years ago
Thats fair yes. Im a strong supporter of the union and Great Britain but i respect the people of Scotlands right to decide if they wish to remain part of the union or not.
If they vote to leave the UK then their wishes must be respected and supported, Scotland and England will have to work together closely no matter what happens to the union.
But people should be given the FULL facts before being asked to make such decissions, and all the SNP documents and sites i have seen they just dont.
TheBritishWatcher 3 years ago
We will pick up most of the bill once past iniquities have been settled. Once the huge, and I mean huge, amount of oil revenue, which does not appear in the Barnet Formula but nontheless keeps the UK economy afloat, which has been squandered by Westminster is returned to Scotland. Once we have all other monies returned to us, including the £35m youth sports development money Scotland is going to lose because of London's Olympics, aka "Dome Mark II".
LNER4468 3 years ago
LMAO, you think you have a right to claim back past revenues of oil from the United Kingdom government? You are living in a dream world.
If you want that back, then i think Scotland should pay the UK government for protecting those waters for the past 300 years and what about all the investment Scotland had seen before oil became a profitable revenue a few decades ago.
Oil is not the only thing in the world although i know u separatists are obsessed with it.
TheBritishWatcher 3 years ago
As for the olympics, those games were secured under a Scottish chancellor and a Prime Minister who was born in Scotland and atleast part Scottish.
You are stupid if you think you can look at such important issues and just presume Scotland is owed this, that and the other. Its far more complicated.
IF the BBC had to be divided up or simply become English only, perhaps the people of England should be paid back for Scotlands right to view all those programs, mostly paid for by the English.
TheBritishWatcher 3 years ago
Don't be bloody stupid,both of you.
If Scotland was independent there would bee no "oweing"!Scotland & Britain would go there own way,Scotland gining resources in there own lands & water.Vice versa for Britain.
SNPCeltic 3 years ago
Scotland would get its resources, which is basically about oil but that wont last for ever. The UK government makes 10 billion a year (only recently became that much), that sort of money is not enough to pay for Scottish independence. The costs will be huge, but ofcourse the SNP want people to go into a referendum blind, not knowing the true cost of the Break up of the United Kingdom.
People should be given the facts and reality to the matter, rather than just scotlands oil will pay for it all
TheBritishWatcher 3 years ago
Ofcourse the fine detail will have to be decided and agreed to between the British government and Scottish government following a referendum, but that doesnt mean we should get no details at all.
The SNP has yet to provide ANY idea of what % of British Assets and Debts they think is fair. There is no detailed info on the cost of creating a country in the 21st century
All we ever hear from them is OIL, NO IRAQ War, NO Nuclear weapons. Im sorry those things wont cover Scottish independence.
TheBritishWatcher 3 years ago
If you do feel compelled to find out some facts then may I recommend that you read The Economics of Nationalism Re-examined by Gavin McCrone.
Rebellion1314 3 years ago
The economic sitaution of Scotland is very much dependent on the settlement. Sadly Alex Salmond goes into no detail about how the UK assets will be divided and what he thinks Scotland should get.
I believe such facts should be given to the people of scotland BEFORE they vote on something which will impact their entire families future.
When people understand the true cost of creating a new country in the 21st century, some of the SNP support will fade away :)
TheBritishWatcher 3 years ago
The big question is when confronted with the facts will you get over yourself and realise that you're wrong? Because I agree the facts should be out there- problem is the media dosen't provide them.
mesmiths 3 years ago
im sorry but its not for the media to provide such facts its for the SNP to make clear EXACTLY what they propose and the full cost / implications of it.
Their webpage glosses over the issue of independence, with basic summaries of how Scotland could benefit, but they provide NO hard facts and details
The SNP has not said how much of UK wealth they think they should be given, how much of UK debt, how all UK assets will be split up, What happens to the UK national media etc..
NO detail at all
TheBritishWatcher 3 years ago
What do you mean it's not for the media to provide to provide such facts?!?!! What are they for in that case, surely more than stories about swearing on radio? So according to you, people have to get all their information from political parties' websites... What about the 99.5% of the population with no inclination to go to that said length? The media does provide a platform for anti independence hearsay it should provde people with the facts about the issues. National Conversation....?
mesmiths 3 years ago
No, what i am saying is it is for those that seek Independence (the SNP) to detail the costs and implications of breaking up this United Kingdom. They should provide that information to the media and the media should report it, but its not the job of the media to decide what the SNP is thinking.
The SNP fails to provide the facts, the national conversation hasnt dealt with issues in detail and their website which list benefits sums up basic one sided views with NO detail at all.
TheBritishWatcher 3 years ago
Surely the people of Scotland should have ALL the facts before being asked to vote on an issue that will impact on their entire families life.
Ofcourse most of the media is biased on this issue (although they are not just printing lies about the SNP) When a country is in a war, its media will hardly back the enemy. Im sorry but separatists seek to destroy the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland making them a threat. Those separatists will hardly be considered mainstream
TheBritishWatcher 3 years ago
And there we have it! From a unionist, a rare admission indeed, well done. So we're not mainstream, we're in effect the enemy and therefor should not be treated fairly by the media. How very Goebellion. Well this is not a war, we are not seeking to destroy anyone. We only want equality for Scotland. In the future people will look back at unionist arguments in disbelief, as we look back on flat earth'ers.
mesmiths 3 years ago
You are certainly not mainstream. Those who support the break up of the United Kingdom are separatists and yes i consider anyone who seeks the destruction of my country an enemy.
I like sevearal people who support the SNP and an independent Scotland despite their politics, they are entitled to such views thanks to the fact we all live in a free society today.
But when a referendum is called, the SNP is an enemy and a threat to the state. Unionists will crush them (within the law ofcourse) =)
TheBritishWatcher 3 years ago
ROTFLMAO. Just how many people do you need, before you qualify as 'mainstream'in your strange little world? Support for independence is as high or hiogher than support for the status quo add to that all the undecided and there is more than enough people to win a referendum- so how's that for being 'crushed' lol.
Typically for a rabid unionist you need to get your facts right (ie 'english pay for bbc')and rely a little less on party lines you've learned from biased london owned newspapers.
mesmiths 3 years ago
Umm excuse please show me the evidence that the majority support independence? this is simply lies.
Even Salmond admits there isnt majority support for independence yet. Take a look at the last scottish election. 60% of the vote went to parties that SUPPORT the union. The separatist SNP won ONE extra seat than labour at a time when they were unpopular across the UK, even then the SNP only beat labour in one seat with a majority of 48. lmao
Im sorry but separatists are not the mainstream.
TheBritishWatcher 3 years ago
No, I'm sorry, there you go again with this 'mainstream' stuff- I think you don't quite know the meaning of the word. First sign of being stupid is making the same mistakes over and over (second is voting labour or tory or lib dem). How about you actually look at the polls? That'd be a start. Then you'd see that undecideds can swing the result either way- thus surely independence is a mainstream position- just like unionism. Now how about you state the reasons we should stick with the uk. LOL!
mesmiths 3 years ago
I am sorry but separatists are not the mainstream. Polls show different things, almost all i have seen show a majority still support the union
Ofcourse polls are unreliable, so we have to look at actual voting records. I find it hard to believe the majority of voters for Labour, conservatives and the lib dems support breaking up the union. there for separatists are not the mainstream
2010 will prove this to be the case and as salmond has said, it will put the question to bed for a generation
TheBritishWatcher 3 years ago
It will be for the separatist minority to prove the case for a break up of the United Kingdom. There are many reasons why Scotland should remain part of the UK and when the SNP have the courage to actually call for the referendum (they have been in power a year already) then the unionists in Scotland will unite to crush this.
Scotland gets a good deal from this union as do all parts of the United Kingdom. I know separatists wish to skip the past 300 years but it has to be considered.
TheBritishWatcher 3 years ago
Well, I asked you to state the reasons for remaining in the UK. 2 posts later and no answer, unless that vague drivel about history was it. C'mon give us some kind of actual, rational, argument, this stuff is just boring.
Just for the record are you actually Scottish?
mesmiths 3 years ago
I have never said i am Scottish, im British with English roots. Again it is the job of separatists who seek change to justify that change.
There are many reasons why Scotland should remain part of the United Kingdom, perhaps the most important is most people in Scotland do support the union and at the previous election over 60% of all votes went to unionist parties and not the separatists
What about the economic issues? The SNP have not even estimated the actual COST of breaking up the union
TheBritishWatcher 3 years ago
A few points- There are many reasons? Really? People such as your good self say things like that but seldom back it up- as in this case. We don't know what the result of a referendum would be. And though your lot like to pretend to have confidence in the strength of unionism you're parties are all afraid of asking the people fairly and squarely. Costs? Like not having to spend billions on Trident?, London olympics and Domes? Invading other countries at the request of madmen?
mesmiths 3 years ago
Its true we do not know how the people will vote in a referendum, however in previous elections over 60% of the vote always goes to unionist parties. Now i accept some may vote for those parties whilst wanting an independent Scotland, but the majority of those voters are going to vote for the union to continue.
AS for bein afraid of holding a referendum. Last time i checked the SNP has been in power for a year and they have yet to offically attempt to hold a referendum on this. Why do they wait
TheBritishWatcher 3 years ago
LOL They wait for what I think is quite a good, novel, idea... because IN THE MANIFESTO THEY SAID THEY'D HOLD IT IN 2010. Political party sticks to it's manifesto shock horror! A nice coincidence of that year will be the fact that the Conservatives will be in power in Westminster (despite being in 4th place in Scotland). So a few extra votes for independence there then.
mesmiths 3 years ago
As for dealing with the cost. You have just done what all separatists do, instead of actually dealing with how much it might cost the same list is always quoted. An independent Scotland wouldnt spend billions on trident and wars.
Well whislt Scotland wouldnt have trident (something that creates 1000s of jobs in Scotland) how do you know what wars Scotland would and wouldnt join in with. Separatists speak as if the SNP government will always be in power which would not be the case.
TheBritishWatcher 3 years ago
I know you meant setting up embasies printing flags etc etc Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Fair enough you concentrate on tiny little details if you want. I prefer to look at the bigger picture- ie all the investment and all the extra tourists this event would attract in the comming century. You really do show a lack of understanding if you think an independent Scotland would have jumped at the chance to invade Iraq whatever it's government. The SNP is a broad church which will be replaced by others after.
mesmiths 3 years ago
Also we shouldnt forget that over the past 11 years when labour has been in power and some of those choices have been made, Scottish people have been in power.
Tony blair was born in Scotland and is part Scottish. Gordon Brown the only person in Labour who could of rebelled against blair and stopped the invasion of Iraq is Scottish.
London Olympics happened under them aswell. Although that money is well spent and ofcourse Scotland gets its own games in 2014 anyway.
TheBritishWatcher 3 years ago
Unionists love to point out that the UK is run by Scots. On our side of it we prefer to think of success in terms of national rather than the personal success of a few individuals. Don't forget the loyal opposition Tory (English nationalist party) party wanted the invasion too. Incidently 2014 will be paid for by Glasgow and Holyrood- not by stealing English good causes lottery money. We wish you had returned the favour for 2012. Bet Kelvin McKenzie dosn't mention that in his rag.
mesmiths 3 years ago
what a truely shamfull reply. Blair and brown might have scottish roots(although both try really hard to ignore them) however they were voted in, and are not some invating power who took over labour. the cost of having scottish tv, scottish post sevice, scottish defence etc would be presumably the same as we spend just now???????? In fact since we spent way to much on defence it would probably be reduced. (and yes iunderstand start up cost mightbe a little big the first year)
haddingtonbb41 2 years ago
They have Scottish roots and ofcourse Brown was elected in Scotland;. Hes attacking the policies over the last 10 years i was simply pointing out whos responsible for them
On Scottish TV, the media question has always interested me. Right now Scotland gets all the programs paid for by the UK. England pays by far the biggest bill towards the BBC, so A scottish broadcaster would only own 10% of the content?
Same with others, they get money from advertising. Theyd get less for a small population
TheBritishWatcher 2 years ago
On the defense, yes im sure Scotlands budget would be smaller because the SNP do not take security seriously. They would withdraw Scotland from NATO for a start, something that is vital for long term national security. They are so short sighted they fail to accept there are global threats out there.
Defense was mentioned the other night on question time. Nichola sturgeon mentioned Norway. SHe forgot, Norway is part of NATO and has military conscription.. U wanna copy them?
TheBritishWatcher 2 years ago
Why do you assume that Scotland would pull out of NATO?
I'm not convinced that it would be such a bad thing either if we did pull out of NATO.
We could debate this argument forever and still never convince one another either way.
Would we be the target of international terrorism if we didn't have troops in Afghanistan or have played a part in the invasion of Iraq?
Who knows but like I said we could debate this issue forever.
Rebellion1314 2 years ago
The SNP is anti nato and doesnt want Scotland to be part of it.. U have just said urself u think that the unionist parties will be voted out in other elections, well from where im sitting that will only leave the SNP..
Lets not forget we are in afghanistan because 67 British citizens along with 1000s of Americans (our allies) were killed on 9/11.
TheBritishWatcher 2 years ago
@TheBritishWatcher The main enemy of britain was russia , but they would have only bombed scotland because we are seen as a part of england and had english and u.s nuclear bombs on are soil as far away from LONDON as possilble i might add , that threat has gone . Who would go to go to war ageanst scotland ? come on !
MrFarmer86 1 year ago
The majority of Scotlands trade is with the rest of the United Kingdom, should that union break up how badly will Scotlands trade, businesses and government revenue be impacted?
When we look at the actual figures. a Figure the SNP have supported.. in 2008 the SNP loved the fact Scotland had an 800 million budget surplus, ofcourse when we look back a couple of years we see thats not always been the case.
From 2002 - 2007 (including Scotlands North sea oil)
-1,918, -3,547, -2,261, 1,420, 837
TheBritishWatcher 3 years ago
A few points- The majourity of New Zealands'and Irelands' trade was with the UK before independence and after. It isn't any more and they're both wealthier. The EU is a free trade area- so Scotland would have no difficulties there or anywhere else in the world in fact- it, naturally, depends on quality and value. What about all the 'British' and international companies trading in Scotland whilst using hqs in London? Well, they would require Scottish hq's -lots of jobs and real wealth.
mesmiths 3 years ago
Scotland as part of the European Union would of course be entitled to operate throughout England. However such rights to operate doesnt mean Scottish companies will be treated the same way. There is going to be a backlash after a break up of the union (non violent ofcourse) but alot of people will change their brands.
Also it will no longer be accetapble for English transport contracts to go to two foreign companies like Stagecoach and FirstBus. I think you downplay the impact on ur businesses.
TheBritishWatcher 3 years ago
Wow you do make me LOL! think about it..... Tesco Safeway Sainsbury Argos The Sun the Times etc etc English companies are all over Scotland- it's a two way street. In any case scots companies will thrive more than ever before and if they offer quality won't fail to make profit- if not in England then elsewhere.
On foreign companies getting contracts.. what about your nuclear power stations (french) wembly stadium (australian)? It's a big world out there.
mesmiths 3 years ago
Then if we look at Scotlands total expenditure / revenue (including scotlands north sea oil)
Total current revenue 06-07: 49,915
Total expenditure 06-07 : 49,895
Oh dear Scotland lost out on 20 million pounds in that year. But if we look at 2004/5..
Total current revenue : 41,591
Total expenditure : 44,073
Hmmmm so 2 billion MORE that year. Devolution is a new thing, allocation of spending is also clearly still up for debate but the fact remains Scotland doesnt get ripped off.
TheBritishWatcher 3 years ago
If a buisness cooked its' books as much as the good old UK gov they'd be carted off in handcuffs - ENRON style.
2+2 does not equal 5, nomatter what they will tell you.
mesmiths 3 years ago
Im sorry but look at the figures on the Scottish government website (A website the separatists currently sadly control). Earlier in the year the SNP were over the moon about 800 million budget surplus for Scotland and said it justified independence.
If that figure is accurate and ok for the SNP to use then we all shouldnt ignore the other facts and figures contained in the same document. people cant just pick out little bits they like.
Please check the government accounts figures
TheBritishWatcher 3 years ago
Actually there are a number of traditional Labour supporters (and of the other U parties) who support independence according to polls. Anything up to 40% so perhaps you are being a bit complacent. Of course there was a lot of celebrations of the tri-centenary of the union in Scotland wasn't there? Actually, outside the Orange Lodge there wasn't any!
freescotlandnow 3 years ago
Apart from a few knuckle-draggers who managed to get their faces on the Scottish News I don't recall any 'celebrations' of the 300 year bond either.
skeagh777 3 years ago
Stupid video, you insult the British Queen not the English one. If the SNP had the guts to take on the monarchy they know theyd lose this battle.
Long live the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
God save OUR Queen :)
TheBritishWatcher 3 years ago
You must be a hun talking like that! Either that or you're English.
British Queen, English Queen, same thing asshole!
The union's over so why don't you go home ie England where unionists belong!!!
Independence first for Scotland then it will be a Republic!
Saor Alba
Rebellion1314 3 years ago
The union isnt over until the fat man sings, and he hasnt won yet.
We shall see how the vote in the upcoming election goes. When the results come in, add up the numbers who vote for Labour, Lib Dem and Conservative and see how it compares with the SNPs vote.
there is NO majority support for destroying this union. When the referendum is finally called and war is waged against the separatists you will be defeated with ease :)
Then poor Alex Salmond will of failed in his mission and retire. =)
TheBritishWatcher 3 years ago
I agree with your statement about there being no majority, rather no clear majority yet. I would put that down to good people like yourself who have no concept of love for their country and cant distinguish the difference between a fair deal with the union and the fact that it robs us blind. Even if you were to read some facts about Scotlands true financial position you would still be blinded by your own ignorance....
Rebellion1314 3 years ago
As far as the unions concerned the writing is on the wall. First point being the only party in Scotland capable of challenging the SNP is Labour and look at the state of them! Another point being that the Tories will win the next General election and if your memory serves you right they hate the Scots as it showed the last time they were in power, not even to mention Thatcher! So to draw my conclusion most Scots will vote for the SNP in the next election and vote yes to the referendum.
Rebellion1314 3 years ago
Labour are not doing well but that doesnt mean they will lose the next general election which is still over a year away, alot can happen in that time. Also despite the troubles labour are in, they may still win the upcoming bi election in Scotland.
I accept if the tories win it will make the referendum harder to win, but even with the conservatives in power the unionist vote combined will be enough to maintain the union.
Remember in EVERY scottish election the union vote beats the SNP.
TheBritishWatcher 3 years ago
Im sorry but Scotland benefits from this union and failing to accept that is foolish. Oil is not going to last forever although Salmond may want it to.
It will take a few decades of Scotlands oil to pay off their share of the UK debt if it did become independent.
The union has lasted 300 years, most of that time we were not getting money from "Scottish oil" oh and those waters were defended and secured by the BRITISH navy (most of which were English ships originally and by English sailors)
TheBritishWatcher 3 years ago