And just in case anyone thinks im hating with my previous comment. I do suport Flame and his ministry. I have all his albums. I just feel he should've done the song differently,that's all.
It wasn't a rip, he made a video to tell people what inspired the song and yes Ludacris had a hand in it but the whole hand. FLAME did his homework thats for sure.
Bottom line is, people fear what they Do not understand. Of course if your 45+ years of age, your not going to openly accept Gospel Hip Hop. Its a youth ministy, intended to reach Youth and young adults...This is the language that is spoken by young people..
You wouldn't go into a foreign country and expect to effectivly communicate with someone who doesn't speak your language..Same here, This is God's word with a different Delivery. New Times call for New Methods. But GOd stays the same...
this is not worldly to the effect that we're not doing something against Gods word, He said not to be friends with the world (sinners) and to not touch (handle, be apart of)anything that is sinful, or promotes sin, or that is against Gods word. using the internet is not a love of the world, unless you do it more than you pray or go to church, if you do it more than the things of God. or if youre doing it in a sinful way, like lookin at porn videos or secular music videos or worldly videos
1 Timothy 6:9 But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition. 10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
How is this even relevent to the afore mentioned conversation? By going back and forth on these video pages we become like the disciples who when they saw other men laying hands and casting out demons they were offended. Jesus made it known that if they are not against me then they are obviously for me. Flame is obviously for God will, so leave it at that.
this isnt true because for one if are apart of another religion and/or are in sin you dont belong to Christ, muslims wont go to Heaven the same way 2pac isnt in Heaven, the same way gandhi and elvis, and carlton pearson wont be in Heaven. serve one or the other. if act like sinner,talk like sinner, do what sinners do, sing like sinners sing, then youre a sinner. elementry level discernment.
its called the love of the world and the spirit of the world, the idea isnt bad but the means in which it is done isnt all that great in the long run. i see what youre saying, but if it worked for thousands of years, who is to say it needs to be changed, it doesnt the Word of God is powerful, if its not reaching its person using it that needs improvement, not how you use the Word of God.
Romans 12:1,2 James 4:4 1 John 2:15,16 1 Thessalonians 5:21,22
Furthermore....I feel Jesus is making a different type of movement to reach the world...back in the day when He was alive...He and his disciples taught by walking to various places and through word of mouth...but as the world grew God made it so that man got smart enough to build Jets, tv's, computers, etc to get His Word across. I dont see anyone talking about..teachin the gosple through the internet isnt Bible..so let the Christian Rappers teach!!
Anything against the bible would be contrary to what Jesus taught about. These christians rappers dont say anything Jesus against the Bible. So how is that against the Bible...The Bible says nothing about "DONT RAP ABOUT GOD AND TRY TO SAVES SOULS THROUGH RAP"...it simply talks about saving souls through teaching the good news......
Almost all the Scripture used here speak of being separated from the LORD and being sanctified in Him. This is a pretty hard challenge which is even evident in our posting on this web page instead of going out into the world and inviting all to come to GOD. We are being worldly by wasting our time on the internet and watching music videos as this. Would you consider this being in the world? Or would you say you're on here trying to expose sins and make them known?
Let him worship: Col 3:16 Let the word of Christ richly dwell within you, with all wisdom teaching and admonishing one another with psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with thankfulness in your hearts to God. He his letting the word of Christ dwells within him since many of his songs use Scripture. He is teaching all that listen to him and admonishing the Love of our Saviour with a spiritual song singing with thankfulness in his heart what GOD has done for him.
Check out his song give us the truth part two and you can see this. He admits his falling into the sin of porn and GOD giving him victory over that! Amen? Just because it is different from your tastes and likes, does not mean that it is worldly and sinful. Col 3:17 and 1 Cor 10:31.
its not about my preference because i used to listen to all kinds of hiphop when i was a sinner, no one should be doing any kind of music or ministry while in sin, because that spirit can flow out of person speaking to those that are listening, that is a fundamental element. how can one teach and preach if they themself are not wholly given over to the Lord, without holiness no man shall see the Lord.
brocliff...u have overcome sin??? tell me how brother, because i sin everyday. even though i am redeemed by Christ and i know my righteousness and deeds are but dirty rags, i still sin. sin is missing the mark, and guess what, the mark is perfection! we all sin firend, but some of us have been forgiven of that sin and are able to come to Christ; not because of what our hands have done, but because what Christ has done. amen?
WRong..This is not conforming to the world. God doesn't have a Musical Preference. its a matter of a persons Heart. That is what Everyone should be concerned about. IF the Hearts of these Christian rappers are right...thats what matters.
Don't start on that Hip Hop Religion crap either. Because that is faulty all in itself..
how are people supposed to be thugs and Christians? two things that dont match, like the klan and black panthers together! this is wack and not Biblical
Bro, Nobody is trying to be a thug... A lot of the guys were raised in this Hip Hop Culture, and God is using them with their talents and abilities to share Christ... Gospel music isn't the only type of music that God can use to reach people...
right.... and next is Jesus Christ death metal music i suppose. haha this is not even Bible based, contrary to the Bible, contrary to what Jesus taught
it doesnt matter if they listen or not, no one has ever received salvation based on a song. it makes no sense to make "Christian" music thats based off of sinful secular music. that is not what the Bible teaches, would you kill to reach murderers? would you steal to reach theives? would you commit fornication to reach those in fornication?
actually it is beneficial for someone to spread music like this me being saved listening to rap all day like Ugk, Pastor troy, scarface, 8 ball, boosie and webbie made rap my preference. Of course you cant reach salvation through music, but it guides you in a positive direction. remember what you put in your mouth does not make you unclean it is what you say.
? If this is so, then being on the internet is not necessarily worldly nor a sin in itself. Now then musical style in itself is not a sin, and there are many passages such as Ps 33:3, 96:1, 98:1, 144:9, 149:1, and Is 42:10 that say to sing a new song to the LORD. Amen? Flame is singing a new song to the LORD, one that you and I never heard before.
singing a new song isnt a song that originates directly from sin, and that promotes sinful acts and a lifestyle. hiphop is proven to be an established religion and causes one to be very vain, "i did this i can do that, look at me drive this, etc" this video alone is comprising to the word of God, what kind of so called minister of Christ grabs his crotch at a concert in a dark environment, and talks walks dresses just like a sinner, beats just like secular version of his music
greetings again Brocliff, i am glad that you have responded. i would first like to see your thoughts backed by scripture. i presented many passages for you to look at, but you did not use any to in your refute. is "a mighty fortress is our GOD" a song worth singing in church? do you sing this song in personal worship?
i am going to send you a personal message. u can open it if you would like and we could continue this conversation and try to find the Biblical position.
The root word in music is muse, which means to make think. As you read in 1 Samuel, when Saul was tourmented, David played his harp and change the atmosphere and relieved King Saul of the spirit that tourmented him. You're missing the message, because you're so focused on defacing the messanger. It'd be better for you to go to video pages of secular and worldly hip hop artist and wave your "shame on you" finger at them. This is the body of Christ. Don't be mad at the pinky, cause you're a thumb.
the messenger is what makes the music what it is, if youre a sinner the music will not be honored by God, God cant use that music if its not of God. so to rule out the messenger would be foolish and unwise no matter who you are. sinners cant sing Christian music and be honored by God, Christians cant sing sinners music and be honored by God. tares and the wheat field!
Who are you to consider him a sinner? Do you personally know him? Have you personally veiwed his fruit? He's bringing souls into the Kingdom of God with his music and with his touring crusades. That's not to say that he doesn't have his sinful vices to fight against, however YOU have no right to call him a sinner. You have a problem with his presentation of the gospel, and that is what I'm refering to when I say, "defacing the messanger". If you don't like Hip Hop then don't listen...
now i am on your side (kinda), but as Christians we do have the right to say other Christians are sinners. are we not all sinners(some of us have been reconciled). we are called to judge those inside the church: 1 coor 5:12, but not those outside...that is GOD's position
this song is of the hook no dought.
crazyboyx3 3 years ago
And just in case anyone thinks im hating with my previous comment. I do suport Flame and his ministry. I have all his albums. I just feel he should've done the song differently,that's all.
Brothaexcel 3 years ago
It wasn't a rip, he made a video to tell people what inspired the song and yes Ludacris had a hand in it but the whole hand. FLAME did his homework thats for sure.
dustandscratches 2 years ago
It's nice but This song is a rip off of "Runaway" by Ludacris featuring Mary J. Blige. The concept, the flow etc. Flame shouldn't be biting.
Brothaexcel 3 years ago
Bottom line is, people fear what they Do not understand. Of course if your 45+ years of age, your not going to openly accept Gospel Hip Hop. Its a youth ministy, intended to reach Youth and young adults...This is the language that is spoken by young people..
You wouldn't go into a foreign country and expect to effectivly communicate with someone who doesn't speak your language..Same here, This is God's word with a different Delivery. New Times call for New Methods. But GOd stays the same...
BoyMorganIII 3 years ago
Uhh yeah all of you left out one important verse. That is this and alot of churches ignore and that is Exodous 20:8-11
Ok
kobiemajor 4 years ago
this is not worldly to the effect that we're not doing something against Gods word, He said not to be friends with the world (sinners) and to not touch (handle, be apart of)anything that is sinful, or promotes sin, or that is against Gods word. using the internet is not a love of the world, unless you do it more than you pray or go to church, if you do it more than the things of God. or if youre doing it in a sinful way, like lookin at porn videos or secular music videos or worldly videos
brocliffclgi 3 years ago
hey he is supposed to be coming to my church in Pittsburgh. You know Reese?
dionnelee1 4 years ago
1 Timothy 6:9 But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition. 10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
brocliffclgi 4 years ago
How is this even relevent to the afore mentioned conversation? By going back and forth on these video pages we become like the disciples who when they saw other men laying hands and casting out demons they were offended. Jesus made it known that if they are not against me then they are obviously for me. Flame is obviously for God will, so leave it at that.
jrmygstn 3 years ago
this isnt true because for one if are apart of another religion and/or are in sin you dont belong to Christ, muslims wont go to Heaven the same way 2pac isnt in Heaven, the same way gandhi and elvis, and carlton pearson wont be in Heaven. serve one or the other. if act like sinner,talk like sinner, do what sinners do, sing like sinners sing, then youre a sinner. elementry level discernment.
brocliffclgi 3 years ago
its called the love of the world and the spirit of the world, the idea isnt bad but the means in which it is done isnt all that great in the long run. i see what youre saying, but if it worked for thousands of years, who is to say it needs to be changed, it doesnt the Word of God is powerful, if its not reaching its person using it that needs improvement, not how you use the Word of God.
Romans 12:1,2 James 4:4 1 John 2:15,16 1 Thessalonians 5:21,22
2 Corinthians 6:14-18
brocliffclgi 4 years ago
Furthermore....I feel Jesus is making a different type of movement to reach the world...back in the day when He was alive...He and his disciples taught by walking to various places and through word of mouth...but as the world grew God made it so that man got smart enough to build Jets, tv's, computers, etc to get His Word across. I dont see anyone talking about..teachin the gosple through the internet isnt Bible..so let the Christian Rappers teach!!
w132ajs 4 years ago
Anything against the bible would be contrary to what Jesus taught about. These christians rappers dont say anything Jesus against the Bible. So how is that against the Bible...The Bible says nothing about "DONT RAP ABOUT GOD AND TRY TO SAVES SOULS THROUGH RAP"...it simply talks about saving souls through teaching the good news......
w132ajs 4 years ago
this is so foolish, so against the Bible
brocliffclgi 4 years ago
How is it against the Bible?
missCSIwolfe 4 years ago
Romans 12:1,2
James 4:4
1 Thessalonians 5:21-23
1 Thessalonians 4:4-7
1 John 2:15,16
Galatians 1:3,4
John 14:15
2 Corinthians 6:14-18
brocliffclgi 4 years ago
greetings in Christ, brocliff.
Almost all the Scripture used here speak of being separated from the LORD and being sanctified in Him. This is a pretty hard challenge which is even evident in our posting on this web page instead of going out into the world and inviting all to come to GOD. We are being worldly by wasting our time on the internet and watching music videos as this. Would you consider this being in the world? Or would you say you're on here trying to expose sins and make them known?
onlyonesuperdude 4 years ago
Let him worship: Col 3:16 Let the word of Christ richly dwell within you, with all wisdom teaching and admonishing one another with psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with thankfulness in your hearts to God. He his letting the word of Christ dwells within him since many of his songs use Scripture. He is teaching all that listen to him and admonishing the Love of our Saviour with a spiritual song singing with thankfulness in his heart what GOD has done for him.
onlyonesuperdude 4 years ago
Check out his song give us the truth part two and you can see this. He admits his falling into the sin of porn and GOD giving him victory over that! Amen? Just because it is different from your tastes and likes, does not mean that it is worldly and sinful. Col 3:17 and 1 Cor 10:31.
onlyonesuperdude 4 years ago
its not about my preference because i used to listen to all kinds of hiphop when i was a sinner, no one should be doing any kind of music or ministry while in sin, because that spirit can flow out of person speaking to those that are listening, that is a fundamental element. how can one teach and preach if they themself are not wholly given over to the Lord, without holiness no man shall see the Lord.
brocliffclgi 3 years ago
brocliff...u have overcome sin??? tell me how brother, because i sin everyday. even though i am redeemed by Christ and i know my righteousness and deeds are but dirty rags, i still sin. sin is missing the mark, and guess what, the mark is perfection! we all sin firend, but some of us have been forgiven of that sin and are able to come to Christ; not because of what our hands have done, but because what Christ has done. amen?
onlyonesuperdude 3 years ago
WRong..This is not conforming to the world. God doesn't have a Musical Preference. its a matter of a persons Heart. That is what Everyone should be concerned about. IF the Hearts of these Christian rappers are right...thats what matters.
Don't start on that Hip Hop Religion crap either. Because that is faulty all in itself..
BoyMorganIII 3 years ago
did ludacris make a remix of this song or did he do a remix of ludacris's song?
nuhrii22 4 years ago
how are people supposed to be thugs and Christians? two things that dont match, like the klan and black panthers together! this is wack and not Biblical
brocliffclgi 4 years ago
Bro, Nobody is trying to be a thug... A lot of the guys were raised in this Hip Hop Culture, and God is using them with their talents and abilities to share Christ... Gospel music isn't the only type of music that God can use to reach people...
Godannointedme2 4 years ago 4
right.... and next is Jesus Christ death metal music i suppose. haha this is not even Bible based, contrary to the Bible, contrary to what Jesus taught
brocliffclgi 4 years ago
christian metal and rap and rock and oldies, are to reach the word of god to the crowd who listens to that music,
u go and try to get someone who listens to rap to listen to oldies, or metal, they wont,
be blessed, peace
TruelifeYankee4jesus 4 years ago
it doesnt matter if they listen or not, no one has ever received salvation based on a song. it makes no sense to make "Christian" music thats based off of sinful secular music. that is not what the Bible teaches, would you kill to reach murderers? would you steal to reach theives? would you commit fornication to reach those in fornication?
1 Thessalonians 5:21-23
James 4:4
1 John 2:15,16
Galatians 1:3,4
Romans 12:1,2
2 Corinthians 6:14-18
brocliffclgi 4 years ago
actually it is beneficial for someone to spread music like this me being saved listening to rap all day like Ugk, Pastor troy, scarface, 8 ball, boosie and webbie made rap my preference. Of course you cant reach salvation through music, but it guides you in a positive direction. remember what you put in your mouth does not make you unclean it is what you say.
June821 4 years ago
? If this is so, then being on the internet is not necessarily worldly nor a sin in itself. Now then musical style in itself is not a sin, and there are many passages such as Ps 33:3, 96:1, 98:1, 144:9, 149:1, and Is 42:10 that say to sing a new song to the LORD. Amen? Flame is singing a new song to the LORD, one that you and I never heard before.
onlyonesuperdude 4 years ago
singing a new song isnt a song that originates directly from sin, and that promotes sinful acts and a lifestyle. hiphop is proven to be an established religion and causes one to be very vain, "i did this i can do that, look at me drive this, etc" this video alone is comprising to the word of God, what kind of so called minister of Christ grabs his crotch at a concert in a dark environment, and talks walks dresses just like a sinner, beats just like secular version of his music
brocliffclgi 3 years ago
greetings again Brocliff, i am glad that you have responded. i would first like to see your thoughts backed by scripture. i presented many passages for you to look at, but you did not use any to in your refute. is "a mighty fortress is our GOD" a song worth singing in church? do you sing this song in personal worship?
i am going to send you a personal message. u can open it if you would like and we could continue this conversation and try to find the Biblical position.
onlyonesuperdude 3 years ago
The root word in music is muse, which means to make think. As you read in 1 Samuel, when Saul was tourmented, David played his harp and change the atmosphere and relieved King Saul of the spirit that tourmented him. You're missing the message, because you're so focused on defacing the messanger. It'd be better for you to go to video pages of secular and worldly hip hop artist and wave your "shame on you" finger at them. This is the body of Christ. Don't be mad at the pinky, cause you're a thumb.
jrmygstn 3 years ago
i respect what u said here, Keep Pushing Christ
lilseggy 3 years ago
the messenger is what makes the music what it is, if youre a sinner the music will not be honored by God, God cant use that music if its not of God. so to rule out the messenger would be foolish and unwise no matter who you are. sinners cant sing Christian music and be honored by God, Christians cant sing sinners music and be honored by God. tares and the wheat field!
brocliffclgi 3 years ago
Who are you to consider him a sinner? Do you personally know him? Have you personally veiwed his fruit? He's bringing souls into the Kingdom of God with his music and with his touring crusades. That's not to say that he doesn't have his sinful vices to fight against, however YOU have no right to call him a sinner. You have a problem with his presentation of the gospel, and that is what I'm refering to when I say, "defacing the messanger". If you don't like Hip Hop then don't listen...
jrmygstn 3 years ago
now i am on your side (kinda), but as Christians we do have the right to say other Christians are sinners. are we not all sinners(some of us have been reconciled). we are called to judge those inside the church: 1 coor 5:12, but not those outside...that is GOD's position
onlyonesuperdude 3 years ago
AMEN, right on point.
rynef 3 years ago
garbage
brocliffclgi 4 years ago
this song is sick dont be dissin
bakersk8r94 4 years ago
I used to have this song on my myspace page, its tight, also check out my christian rap videos
kursndax 4 years ago
this song is awesome. cant wait til our world redeemed.
rynef 4 years ago
yea thats gonna be hot
mrob7 4 years ago
Yeah man, you hear "shinin"
rynef 4 years ago
real talk....real rap
smokedigglera 4 years ago
off da hook
00blayze00 4 years ago
his new album is soooo great, the best
clarinetlaj 4 years ago
That's hot, hot, hot soldier. Keep pushin' the devil back. Methuzelah
thereportersclinic 4 years ago