I beleieve that the non blood surguries are great,and it is a better option.But it seems the abstain from blood is eating it and disrespect for it. I can not see God frowning on someone who is using it to save a life. Also in surgury you can have the blood you lose sucked and run through a dialyasis the reinfused. It was the ancient rituals and eating of blood Jehovah frowned on. Though I do believe non blood is the better way over all, I don't think it is disrespect to save someone with it.
Half way is still the same shit n THE MOST HIGH isnt gonna hold it against u if u wanna live!!! I still think its gross but a lot of medical shit is!!!
How will you be saved and how do u know that? Do u believe Christ existed? if u dont, that explains everthing. If u do, Do u think he left scriptures for us for guidance? Where are they since u say the bible is not that book in another of your videos? Are u against all christian denominations or just JWs? Do u beleive what they teach? When u were a JW and went door to door, Did you believed in what u talked to people about? Interested to know the answers to my questions and more that I have.
Thanks for all the questions u bring up. Thanks to that I decided to research and find out for myself and asked these questions to a JW and studied other literature. I am now studying and very happy I made that decision. But now that you are not one, What are u now? ur own religion? Have u found the truth ur looking for now that you believe JWs dont? Do you believe in God? Who is he and how did you get to know him? Where can I learn from ur god. Where did u? What is his will? What is yours?..
From a medical standpoint, to give blood is very dangerous-the patient must be continually checked to make sure they don't have a reaction, because science still doesn't fully understand how blood works. Its like an organ transplant-very dangerous, even if all criteria is met. There is an artificial blood that can be used for any blood type, that will stay in the system until the blood replaces itself, and then is absorbed. It is safe and harmless, and better than a blood transfusion.
Blood. The JW church, first of all, is incorrect in their understanding of the concept of eating blood. This is all the Bible refers to-life is in the blood, and we are not to eat it. Blood transfusions are not eating blood, thus, they do not apply. What you speak of, however, is standard legalism-you can't have a transfusion of BLOOD, but you CAN have a transfusion of all the PARTS of blood. Just like how an Amish person can't have a phone in the house, but CAN outside the house.
Your Questions Mr gore,Tells me you don't no scripture nor understand the intended meaning by which is available for all mankind to understand, It seems by the weeping and the gnashing of the teeth you have not the basic knowledge of what it means to love your nieghbor,your anger is not against J.W but yourself . In reality you are lost,because by what purpose are you trying to abtain or gain in your conquest.What is the foundation of your corner stone?
@ansermam Dude, what are you on, because that comment was like, totally incomprehensible. In trying to use a lot of $3.00 words, you made an total mess of your comment. Personally, I sense no anger or hostility in his questions. Rather, he is asking questions that his JW masters refused to answer, so he is asking here, both for his benefit, and for that of his child-worthy reasons to seek the truth.
What argument besides your bias and emmotional reason for your conviction towards me,I ask you on the account of your solid faith you would agree that no man has sway over you would you not.Therefore on what account of your conviction towards others has one violated your stronghold of salvation if it therefore is undeniable.Because it is not a stand for confrontation,but accusation.Which is defined as an opposer Note: Lit meaning of "satan" means opposer, "devil" means slanderer
dude wat does the bible say! why do u needa kno components. blood is blood. u cant take any of it. its simple as that. dont do it if u dont want to. consequences.
@blackmediaenterprise No Jesus did not donate his blood to the red cross, this is well known with all christain denomination,it was a figure of speech
ur making the huge mistake like all other critics of Jw's. U never consider the options, u only focus on the blood. Big mistake. And pretty much narrow minded I might add.
First of all: there are so many other options than just blood transfusion, infact there's hardly any use for blood anymore. This "tough question" isnt that tough really.. 2nd, u have to decide for urself based on ur - on the bible sharpened - conscience what u will and will not recieve when it comes to medical care. 3rd, blood free surgery is with alternative options is just as safe, if not safer than surgery with blood transfusions
This something that is between Jehovah and the person that is filling out the card. There are no judges on this its just what you think is right. You are responsible for your life so why would you question some one else.
@wep244 Oh Good because no blood transfusion is made up of blood it's only made up of red blood cells. So since that's only a portion it should be OK... oh wait that's not what the Watchtower says. So wait are they wrong or are you wrong?
A person cannot donate there own blood to like a blue cross blue shield blood drive but a person can get there blood cleaned through a machine and returned back to theboody as long as the blood doest leave the body. --this doesn't make any sense :P
Well The Bible even say NO Blood is accepted. So we dont take any blood. That pill that we are alowed to take is not blood. It might have stuff in it that might be in blood but its not "from" blood. Im not sure how they make it or anything i just know its not from blood. :)
@sabrinatai31 I have seen people die for their beliefs because they stayed away from all parts. The body does not always need blood during procedures . Doctors are learning how to perform bloodless Surgergy. jws donate their own blood before a procedure in today's medical world. Receiving blood does not always mean a speedy recovery but spell doom . disease and reaction to new blood can happen.
@TimKilgore I am in the medical field that is why I mention the donation of ones own blood. There is nothing that states that you can not receive your own blood. I believe the bible does not state that you can not receive your own blood. the bible requires people to abstain from blood ( other sources of blood ) I don't think this would include our own blood. Blood is believed to be our own source of life .
@sabrinatai31 Ask your local elders or I can provide publications that tell you that one cannot donate your own blood. Bear in mind that the bible says to abstain from eating blood too, nothing about transfusing it. It would be like saying that getting an organ transplant was like cannabalism... oh wait the WT has said that before.
@TimKilgore A person cannot donate there own blood to like a blue cross blue shield blood drive but a person can get there blood cleaned through a machine and returned back to theboody as long as the blood doest leave the body
@LaZiSmurF NO what im saying is it can leave the body as in a tube. Like the tube is in a semicircle which one side has blod cominout and one side has blood going in to the body so it never completely leaves the body its like an extra vein that goes throu the heart and comes back out the other side of the heart
@0723Breanna That's not donating one's blood though, that's filtering the blood and not the same as donating one's own blood for use. What exactly do you do in the medical field my dear? I took nursing level anatomy and physiology classes in college for my biology degree.
@0723Breanna OK I guess I can put it a little more to your field, you know the parts of blood correct? You know that in a mature red blood cell the only thing in it is hemoglobin surrounded by a cell membrane. Can you explain to me how exactly hemoglobin is a fraction of blood and red blood cells are not, or how RBCs are too big of a part of blood to be transfused but hemoglobin isn't too big? That's essentially the question at hand. We both took blood biology classes, how exactly?
@0723Breanna ok blood is mostly red blood cells so taking red blood cells would be pretty much like taking blood itself whereas hemoglobin is a part of blood not the blood itself. in other words a "fraction" of the blood cell. And we can take hemoglobin also because tht promotes the making of red blood celss without taking the blood cell itself.
@0723Breanna So you avoided what I'm saying completely, hemoglobin is the ENTIRE CONTENTS of a red blood cell. Literally a mature red blood cell is hemoglobin with a cell membrane wrapped around it. Hemoglobin does not make red blood cells it's what carries oxygen from the lungs to the blood stream. I'm starting to not believe you're an RN. Please explain how you can't have a red blood cell but can have hemoglobin now.
Tim you are a good person , anyone can tell , but you have wasted your time on this so call "tough questions for JW" . They are not . And while investing so much time on finding out about this questions , I' m pretty sure you bump into the truth more than once. Truth that we believe in, so what happened then ? I know you know the rigth answers , I know you know the truth deep in your heart . Is't pride ? Do you think is too late to come back ? It isn't ! Pray to Jehovah and I do what's rigth !
@roloice71 Yes tim is a good person and not because he is a former JW, not because he "wasting" time asking questions. Tim is not seeking people's answers, IMO. He is seeking TRUTH. There is a difference. JW's do not seek truth, frankly half the time it looks like the WT organization seeks contradictions in the Bible just to set themselves apart.
@roloice71 Roloice I have no pride. There are things JWs are right on about, problem is that so are 1000 other religions and they don't have the same problems with doctrine that JWs do. I'd agree more with the Associated Bible Students than the JWs at this point because of their stance on Armageddon alone. In fact you should know their stance as it used to be the JWs stance.
Your question and video was misleading. You may have forgotten to mention that the main components making blood such as "Red blood Cells, White blood cells, platelets and plasma" are NOT accepted by JW in any circumstances. Individuals can choose to receive albumin and even though albumin is in blood, it is also in Eggs and other protein food. Fibrogen and hemoglobin are also in blood but likewise they exist outside of the blood like the Kidneys.
Your video was misleading. You never mentioned that the MAIN components of blood (White blood cells, Red blood cells, Platelets or plasma) are NOT accepted by JW in any form. So basically as you pointed out in the final part of your video, IF a witnesses was to accept ALL the fractions of blood permitted they would not have blood because the main components of blood are still missing. What they'll have is a mixture of elements that exist in blood but ALSO EXIST OUTSIDE OF BLOOD.
Albumin, hemoglobin, fibrogen are accepted as fractions and they exist in blood but Albumin exists in eggs and other protein food, hemoglobin exists in the Kidneys, fibrogen exists in the skin. So these fractions exists outside of blood and some of them we ingest daily through food. But RBC, WBC, platelets, plasma are all associated with Blood. We don't ingest it through food or drinks they originate in the body and serve only to function in its role in whole blood.
I am not a witness, but my research shows that no blood is good to take. You just listed a big list of stuff that they can put in that does not have to come from blood. Any blood put in will be cast off by the body anyway. Also they do not warm the blood before it is given and thus can cause shock.!
To eat blood should not be a problem what so ever, not for jws either. Because what goes in a human and goes out the other end dosnt defileth the body. When it comes to transfutions I guess its what a witness would call a question about conscience. However, if you die young because of blood loss, then of what use are you? Isn`t it better to survive and keep serving, if thats what you think is the meaning of life?. (I am commenting like if I was talking to a jw)
i woudl like to ask a question on this subject. How the heck is a transfusion the same thing as drinking blood. The whole subject is blown out of porpottion by you guys. The bible very plainly states that we are not to Drink any blood, but especially the blood of a animal sacrificed to an idol. The key word here is drink. Tranfusions have nothing to do with drinking, or sacrificing to idols. You wrong.....
@Mrpl778 Hi...I would like to try and respond to your question. But ill answer using an example. Lets say a certain person has a drinking problem. The doctor says,"You can not drink anymore alcohol and to stay away from it all or else you will die or your health will get worse". The person says "okay thats fine, i wont DRINK alcohol". But then he decides to inject or transfuse alcohol into his body. Wether he drinks it our transfuses it, it doesnt matter. The point is to abstain from in all ways
@BADCOOKIEMONSTER Good example, but if I can expound upon that. A doctor says to an achoholic that he must abstain from alchohol or he will die. That man then gets a major cut on his leg and it's infected, in fact it's about to get gangrene. What's available on the spot to treat this wound is... rubbing alchohol. The man's an alchoholic and was told to no longer drink alchohol because it could kill him. Would treating this wound to save his leg and his life be against doctor's orders?
@TimKilgore Well if thats the case then the doctor can find other means to be able to treat that infection. Rubbing alchol is not the only way to clean a wound. Theres certain people that are allergic to certain medications but the Doctor wont turn away helpless. He will find another way to deal with the situation.
@BADCOOKIEMONSTER Funny enough I've spoken to many doctors one of which delivered both my children. He was on the approved list back in the 80's, his reaction to the blood doctrine was as follows "scientifically and medically it makes no sense to accept hemoglobin but not a red blood cell but I have no issue in watching one of the Jehovah's Witnesses die on my table because they refuse the easy treatment."
@TimKilgore ...Things really have changed and many doctors these days are really finding it way easier to treat surgeries without blood. I feel that if the God...the creator of all life says that we must abstain from it...it is for our benefit. Science goes so far...& then comes God. Honestly, i dont think i can find a common ground with you. So out of respect i will agree to disagree with you.
@BADCOOKIEMONSTER If you should abstain from blood because God says so, then why accept hemoglobin? If you abstained from every part of blood and every method it's administered (for example the bible says if blood leaves the body it should be poured out, why JWs don't donate their own blood for operation but they do allow tubes to reroute the blood outside the body) then I'd believe your argument, but the fact it's so pharasitical is where I have problems. Can you explain why hemoglobin?
@TimKilgore It depends on the persons conscience if they will accept hemoglobin or other fractions of blood. Not every JW will accept fractions of blood.Some just abstain from blood period...even if its a fraction of it. But before JW make a decision like that, many look up information before making a decision. Not all will Some may find that hemoglobin is okay to take because its only 33% of the red blood cell, protein that transports oxygen throughout the body and carbon dioxide to the lungs.
@BADCOOKIEMONSTER Don't lie to me, remember I have a degree in biology. Hemoglobin is the ENTIRE contents of a mature red blood cell, it is not just 33%. Go ahead and research it, then why don't you find out what the job is of the red blood cell and find that it's the same that you described as hemoglobin's job. The only reason doctors transfuse RBC and not just plain hemoglobin is that the cell membrane protects from a type of blood poisoning.
@BADCOOKIEMONSTER So let me get this straight, you come on here telling me something that once I prove it's a lie you run off. Dude ridiculous, and you claim to have the truth but you have to lie in a conversation about your beliefs? So is truth really important when it comes to beliefs or do you just make stuff up so you don't look like a pharisee straining the gnat and gulping down the whole camel?
@TimKilgore First of all,...im not runing off...If the Bible says it, we do our best to follow it and obey it. Im not here to argue at all. When i talk to someone who is trying to argue...i rather step back. Im not trying to go against anyone here. Was just trying to explain to the best of my abilities. If i was wrong about the 33% statement thats fine...ill accept it. But i was not trying to lie. Im sorry you feel that way. This is the last message I will be responding too. Hv a good day.
@BADCOOKIEMONSTER First off, you came on here to explain a teaching and did so with incorrect facts. Which the most ironic is that you came on saying that JWs research the subject and end up being wrong. If it weren't for theocratic warfare I wouldn't doubt you weren't trying to lie. And it's not IF, research it, you're wrong. So since the bible says it and you do it, all women don't wear braids or gold then in the JWs?
video is bad...bad...bad...bad... what can i say.. just as horrible as u said ur memory is dude.. i mean cmon dude, make something else..this is just as bad as your career in wrestling and ur memory loss.
video is bad...bad...bad...bad... what can i say.. just as horrible as u said ur memory is dude.. i mean cmon dude, make something else..this is just as bad as ur career in wrestling and ur memory loss.
blood'smain components are 4 : plasma, white blood cells,red blood cells, and platelets. These we cannot take. others like proteins, minerals and water yes cuz these are in all over in our body like hair skin and nails etc....
@xCR4ZYxCLOWNx13 Please see my response video attached to this vid. What is the difference between an unacceptable mature red blood cell and acceptable hemoglobin? Why is one accepted and one isn't?
@TimKilgore : now that is what i call nitpicking! good points, tim. in cases of extreme hemorrhage, i believe that RBCs are what is typically transfused, not whole blood. i think only babies receive whole blood in transfusions. i'm beginning a career in medicine, there's some sheet on alternatives for hemorrhage and JWs, which i would have no problem with. but i'm pretty sure that we haven't come up with a substitute for immediate oxygenating replacement other than RBCs. i'll let u know.
I never understood why I couldn't give blood, period. I was always answered with "Blood is life and only God can give life." So I can't choose to give a little portion of my life to someone whose time isn't up yet? It was my blood and I couldn't choose what to do with it. That clashed with their teachings of "free will".
I don't believe it clashes with "free will," you could still choose to do that but you would have to live with the consequences of your actions as well.
@NatureNLife They made me feel like if I did something that was against their teachings it was evil. In other words, you can choose to do what you want, but God won't like it and you will be punished.
I'm sorry they made you feel that way. I have never had that experience in my congregation. I can't speak for every person or every JW but the ones I know are very understanding. All in all, i don't put my faith in any man to be right 100% of the time. People make mistakes. Thus far, I don't have a complaint about JW in general.
This is funny! God is a perfect loving God and would never condemned anyone to hell right when they are born. Right? Does everyone have a chance to be a JW. Wow i guess not I am a Hemophiliac. I need blood transfusions anytime I am hurt. My question is. What do JW think about Hemophiliacs?
yes, if blood represents the life and eating it (or injecting?) it constitutes a great sin that Jehovah will kill you at Armageddon for, then taking ANY blood product should be considered evil. I wonder how many witnesses enjoy a rare steak?...
so you said in your vid that they could check off any blood portions or fractions they want. so, we have a choice. to answer your question...its how the blood is handled and reintroduced back into your body. there are many methods now used to take portions/fractions of your blood and put these into your body without directly conflicting with the scriptures or our beliefs.
Your making this to easy.. Jehovah's witnesses are encouraged not receive blood transfusions because of the bible. This is a conscious matter though and it is up to the person to choose their medical dealings. As far as I know their are no consequences from the stand point of the congregation except for those coming directly from God. Meaning the elders may talk to you about it and tell you not to.. but i do not believe you will be disfellowshipped...
@AwakenGiovanni1000 Hmmm, odd as I know several from my congregation that were disfellowshipped for receiving blood transfusions of red blood cells but a couple people who received hemoglobin which is the entire contents of the red blood cell were not disfellowshipped. Can you give me examples of Jehovah's Witnesses who received blood transfusions of red blood cells and were not reproved/disfellowshipped or cite it in their literature?
@TimKilgore my aunt she did. and my friend down north he did, odd i never heard those of being dis-fellowshipped of making their own choice on this. And to you probably didn't hear the whole story of why they got dis-fellowshipped the elders aren't suppose to say why because its not anyone else's business you probably heard what people thought he got dis-fellowshipped for or from the person them self to cover up for whatever else they did.
@BellaxTracion Could you give me their contact for these witnesses that got blood transfusions without being disfellowshipped, I'd like to hear the whole story. As for not knowing why they were disfellowshipped, back when I was a Witness they used to do a special needs talk immediately following the announcement of someone being disfellowshipped, it was no question what they were disfellowshipped for.
@TimKilgore See i would but they won't allow me too, they got talk to by the elders yes but no dis-fellowshipping. Ok back when you were involved in the truth was awhile back ago. Things have changed and the elders do things differently now realizing what wrongs they did. I know because my father is an elder and so is my uncle. As for my to members i mentioned they were involved in a car crash that they would've died from they were in critical condition so they decided to do what they did
@BellaxTracion It's been about 8 years, in 2001 someone I know personally that I'd be happy to give you the contact information for was disfellowshipped for accepting a white blood cell transplant for treatment of leukemia. However they had received a bone marrow transplant earlier which they weren't disfellowshipped for. I know you're lying about this stuff otherwise you'd have no issue with giving me contact info.
@TimKilgore i see we both won't come to a conclusion on anything so i am happy for trying and i know i've answered right you just have your opinion and i mine. So i hope you have a great day my friend :) hugs and what not haha peace
a cake is made up of a lot of ingredients.eating flour or and sugar isnt really eating the cake.if you eat all the ingeredients to the cake at once then your eating the cake.
@cubezt22 Read the back of the card then read up on the contents of blood. The point of the question would by why is one a conscience matter and why is one not. I know it wouldn't make much sense, it doesn't make sense, hence why I ask the question.
@cubezt22 Here's something to think about, hemoglobin is the entire contents of a mature red blood cell. JWs can accept hemoglobin but cannot accept red blood cells, can you explain to me how getting hemoglobin transfused is abstaining but getting red blood cells transfused is not?
@cubezt22 If you didn't know this stuff, which I go into detail in this video and in GREAT detail to the response video to the response tagged on this video, why did you feel the need to comment?
@cubezt22 all bad and all wrong are two different things. I still have friends that are Witnesses, I can't make excuses for them anymore. They can on most things but my friends are part of the AJWRB and also are looking for reform on the process for dealing with child molesters.
@TimKilgore not all jw are childmolesters.im sure that if the elders find out that someone molested a child they would be disfellowshiped.just like people get disfellowshiped for adultry.
@cubezt22 On to another subject eh? Sure they'll be disfellowshipped, unless there isn't a second witness to the crime and they deny it. Then there's those THOUSANDS of cases where even when convicted they weren't disfellowshipped.
@TimKilgore jw are just people who read the bible.they make mistakes just like every one else they dont teach that doing those things are right though.
a cake is made up of a lot of ingredients.eating flour or and sugar isnt really eating the cake.if you eat all the ingeredients to the cake at once then your eating the cake.
ANSWER to your "Tough Question #2": because the JW belief that one's "life is in the blood" is so, so unevolved. That's why, in a nutshell!
Example of an unevolved idea: "Look, Jonathan", said King David! I jabbed this Gittite in the middle, with my sword, and when his blood ran out of him, he died! Hmmm! HIS Life must then be in his blood!"
Moral of the Story?? Don't be injecting someone else's "life" into another person's body: you might create a monster, that way!
@orlovna2 The interesting part of this is that red blood cells are not accepted to be transfused but hemoglobin which is the entire contents of a red blood cell are completely acceptable. Isn't that crazy?
About ur 2nd question. Well, first it shows how long your not attending the meeting or how ur not taking carefully what the watchtower in behalf of jw should stand.
The line you made "If all ____ are acceptable.." is not watchtower statement. Instead, they made it clear that the four major component is non-acceptable. And the fractions from these four, is what individual should take their personal decision.
The issue here is, how serious would each one of us take the Acts 15:28,29, keep abstaining from blood. Watchtower is always on guard, making its member always well informed. But never give detailed instruction, as if anyone has taken their responsibilty. In contrast, christian always advised to use their power of reasoning and make a stand for their God.
Hows yours, how would you show ur faith to God on this matter..?
@MrReturnBack OK cool so then if we're asking leading questions could you stand in front of God when he asks about your child dying due to you refusing their blood transfusion and explain that if the doctors had removed the cell membrane from the red blood cell that she could've accepted hemoglobin? Or could you explain to him that Acts 15:28,29 means abstaining from blood is that when blood is initially separated isn't enough but once it's separated again that's fine. Strain that gnat.
So if anyone feels that those fractions are still part of their blood, have them decide.
Or if anyone feels that those were no longer part of the blood, and being free by their conscience, dont feel them guilty. After all, it is God who will judge at the end. Rom.14:12
@MrReturnBack So again you have no answer whatsoever to the question and you're avoiding the issue. Let me make it as plain as day for you to answer. Hemoglobin is the entire content of a mature red blood cell. Red blood cells are not whole blood. Now explain to me how red blood cells while they are a fraction of whole blood are too much of blood content to be a conscience matter and hemoglobin which is the entire content of a red blood cell is not too much?
@MrReturnBack God will judge in the end.. but in the meantime the WatchTower will jugde you if you do not do what they say. It would make far more sense if they left the whole thing up to the individual
@MrReturnBack scripturally /watch?v=wIHRXe9ngwU OldT Gen 9:3-4 new covenent with Noah shall not EAT blood Lev 17:10 cut off he who eats blood NewT Acts 15:7-11 Mosaic law no longer in affect Acts 19-21 "21" is the key here not used by the WatchTower they always stop at 20. Not to eat blood because of the Jewish converts Acts 10:9-16 All foods clean Mark 7:18-20 can not be defiled by food 1 Cor 10:27-29 only refrain if it offened someone 1 cor 10:25 eat any meat sold at the market
@MrReturnBack scriptually /watch?v=wIHRXe9ngwU OldT Gen 9:3-4 new covenent with Noah shall not EAT blood Lev 17:10 cut off he who eats blood NewT Acts 15:7-11 Mosaic law no longer in affect Acts 19-21 "21" is the key here not used by the WatchTower they always stop at 20. Not to eat blood because of the Jewish converts Acts 10:9-16 All foods clean Mark 7:18-20 can not be defiled by food 1 Cor 10:27-29 only refrain if it offened someone 1 cor 10:25 eat any meat sold at the market
So JW's can have the flour, the sugar, the vanilla, baking powder, and eggs either seperately or together but they can't have the cake? Makes sense to me.
Can't really answer that...fully (^-^)'....but uh the bible instructs us to stay away from blood, to me blood portions is still blood, if i was faced with that scenario i wouldn't choose anything because of my conscience...
@kpivothlifet Why don't you research what part of a mature red blood cell hemoglobin makes up. Then explain to me why hemoglobin can be transfused but a mature red blood cell cannot?
The Bible gives clear direction for Christians to ‘abstain from blood’ (Acts 15:29). Therefore, Jehovah’s Witnesses refuse transfusions of both whole blood and its primary blood components, namely (1) red cells; (2) white cells; (3) platelets; (4) plasma (serum). These components cannot be "checked off" as acceptable. Beyond that, when it comes to fractions of any of the primary components, each Christian, after careful and prayerful meditation, must conscientiously decide for himself.
@lifewaterfreee Except when we factor in that hemoglobin is the entire contents of a red blood cell and hemoglobin is accepted but red blood cells aren't. Why the difference? Then white blood cells aren't accepted but bone marrow is. Could you show me biblically where is says how these are not primary blood components or where the whole primary blood components come from in general? Is that biblical or just randomly decided because last I checked doctors don't consider those primary at all.
@TimKilgore The last lime you checked? I really think you should check agian. I really find it hard to believe your doctor doesn't consider red cells, white cells, platelets or plasma as the primary components of blood. If that is the case I would also abstain from your doctor.
@lifewaterfreee Yup, two weeks ago last time I checked with the leading biologist in the country. If you'd like I can send you his e-mails he sent to me and you can dispute it with him. They consider hemoglobin just as primary as a red blood cell. He told me those "primary" components were from an entry level textbook for EMTs as a memorization tool and that if you know anything about blood you would know they are no more primary than the portions JWs do accept.
YOUR A HUMAN WHO WANTS OTHER HUMANS TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS!?.
Look if you havent eaten in four days and i have a big juicy burger their is no food no water no animals no grass no nothing for miles and you dont have A car or bike and i tell you run a mile climb a tree and bark like a dog then i'll give you the burger, whether you think its fair whether it makes sense or people cant tell you why im asking this of you IT DOSENT MATTER! if you want that "burger" do what i say otherwise DIE SLOW=D
@xExalTeDxSnipeZ This is the most non-sensical analogy posted as a response I've ever seen and this vid has been up for like 2 years now. I have no idea what this has to do with the video whatsoever and what is your obsession with me being human and asking other humans the question, what do you think I shoudl ask God? And if he gives me a different answer than the WT dogma then what, should I disregard it?
@nikki09nation It has nothing to do with your talking or typing slower (like that would make sense) it has everything to do with poor grammar and the fact you leave out vowels in your sentences. I never said the bible was corrupted, I'm saying JW dogma is. Could you explain to me in the bible where it says Jerusalem fell in 607 BCE and how that applies to 1914?
@nikki09nation Justifying the JW teachings with actual facts I found. The rest of your comments are barely ledgable and add nothing to the conversation fact is you think you should just accept what you're told by the WT even if the facts disagree.
@nikki09nation Or I spent 4 or so years trying to justify my religion to myself. I probably did research and learned things, proper grammar was one of them. I have no doubt you haven't studied the bible as extensively as I have, it seems to me you'll just accept anyone's answer as to what the bible says. I can use the bible to prove anything, in fact I have used it to prove Satan is the good guy. Don't believe me, look through my vids.
Hey, unless you created humans, then the scientific stuff is hard to answer. There might be a reason why god says to abstain that no one knows about. Just like before thousands of years ago. God gave laws about cleanliness and other stuff to the isrealites and many nations did not know why. Did not mean it was not good for them. Duh!
@Equistta So your answer is "Duh, I dont' know but I'll do what I'm told." Wouldn't you like to know the reason behind someone telling you to do something or do you just blindly follow whatever you're told?
@TimKilgore I'm not saying the reason won't come, in paradise our mind will be fully restored. They say we only use about ten percent of our brains. IN paradise when we use it to the full, we will know, but that's what faith is about. They say, science only goes so far, and then their's god. He will explain, you just need patience. And plus, if you had to die because you followed that law, you'll be resurrected for obeying anyway. What's the problem?
hi, the directive has always been no blood,,without question...so lets apply please a little reasoning that Jehovah has put in place a screening inthe womb of amother and baby for the main components of blood to remain seperate but allows certain salts and fractions eg albumin to pass through to the baby ..hope that helps..credit to our maker!
@scrambledchicken Hmmm, isn't it strange that same cycle allows white blood cells, and red blood cells that aren't separated into hemoglobin through without a problem. Also albumin is otherwise known as a platelet which is allowed as well. So no the explanation doesn't really help.
@TimKilgore - you can cite every doctor in the world. such as the Muslim doctors that argued with me as to why I would rather die then take a transfusion. I wouldn't take a transfusion even if the bible were completely silent. I've also rejected many other hospital tests because of the risk involved and the bible says nothing about those either. I also know people that are not JW's that refuse blood as well for the same reason.
@timothyqkilgore As long as you now admit that you will not accept an expert's opinion. I know it's a matter of pig-headed, faith with no consideration taken at all for common sense. I know people who aren't JWs too that reject procedures they're called Christian Scientists and for the most part everyone considers them crazy. Since you're me and all you should I know I was in court for refusing a blood transfusion as a minor.
@TimKilgore - wow. you are know how to misinterpret things. I refused many tests because I knew I didn't need it. They only thought it would be good to rule it out. I know my body better than they do. They knew me for one day and I've been to the hospital probably 35 times in 10 years. One procedure I refused was one where they put a scope down your throat and look at your stomach. The doctor told me I had a mental prob. Funny, how nothing out of the ordinary was the result of refusing.
@TimKilgore - pig headed, no common sense. You really are retarded. I know more about it than you do, without question. One survey I googled said. "of 380 patients, 13 died (do math), 6.7% of women died, and 1.3% of men died. 11% of women developed dysfunction and 3.9% of men. Since lightening strikes in your lifetime are about 500,000 to 1 how can you make such a ridiculous statement? The problem lies here that I use common sense and rely on a tremendously biased opinion.
@timothyqkilgore No there's no correction, you were typing in anger and when that happens people say what they really mean. There's no question you are specifically trying to find sources to suit your already decided opinion. It's hilarious. Out of the heart the mouth speaks.
@timothyqkilgore I read that study too, it's about people bleeding out it is not specifically due to complications from blood transfusions. It's also nearly 2 decades old as well. I know well the problem here, it's that you made an opinion without the knowledge to back it up and now are desperately trying to find a way to back up this flawed view point, and there's no question you are relying on a tremendously biased opinion.
@TimKilgore - 1997/1998. it's dated (not 2 decades either). such a liar you are. check University Rochester Medical Center. Study Links Blood Transfusions to Surgery Complications. simply google it. I refused blood as I mentioned in May 2001 which is only a few years apart. I suppose it's ok now, but wasn't in 1997/98? Huh Timmy? Such a retard you are. answer me bitch
@timothyqkilgore Oh bitch is it? Who's the one with the closed account? The article was written in 1997 but check out the studies that it's citing. I have looked at the "links blood transfusions to surgery complications" you didn't check out the links from the red cross and it's affiliates. I guess the discussion is over since you closed your account though.
@paulgem123 you know that it's up to a Jw own conscience what they use. Most strong JW wont even tick any options except alternatives. It's up to an individual.
@mrstellitlikeitiz If it's up to their own conscience why can't they choose red blood cells but can choose hemoglobin and where in the bible does it make that distinction?
@TimKilgore - abstain from blood because you effen get AIDS and all sorts of other foreign substance rejections. I was told that if I get a blood transfusion (which I rejected many, many times) that there's a chance my body could reject it and die. Even if the blood type were the same. My epogen shots have no such risk and that synthetic drug can cause my bone marrow to produce red blood cells and cause my blood count to return to normal.
I beleieve that the non blood surguries are great,and it is a better option.But it seems the abstain from blood is eating it and disrespect for it. I can not see God frowning on someone who is using it to save a life. Also in surgury you can have the blood you lose sucked and run through a dialyasis the reinfused. It was the ancient rituals and eating of blood Jehovah frowned on. Though I do believe non blood is the better way over all, I don't think it is disrespect to save someone with it.
snlker 1 week ago
Half way is the same shit n THE MOST HIGH is not gonna hold wantin to live against u!!!I still think its gross but so r so many medical procedures!!!
MrWoodrowoodstar 2 months ago in playlist Tough Questions For Jehovahs Witnesses
Half way is still the same shit n THE MOST HIGH isnt gonna hold it against u if u wanna live!!! I still think its gross but a lot of medical shit is!!!
MrWoodrowoodstar 2 months ago in playlist Tough Questions For Jehovahs Witnesses
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How will you be saved and how do u know that? Do u believe Christ existed? if u dont, that explains everthing. If u do, Do u think he left scriptures for us for guidance? Where are they since u say the bible is not that book in another of your videos? Are u against all christian denominations or just JWs? Do u beleive what they teach? When u were a JW and went door to door, Did you believed in what u talked to people about? Interested to know the answers to my questions and more that I have.
chavo774 2 months ago in playlist Tough Questions For Jehovahs Witnesses
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Thanks for all the questions u bring up. Thanks to that I decided to research and find out for myself and asked these questions to a JW and studied other literature. I am now studying and very happy I made that decision. But now that you are not one, What are u now? ur own religion? Have u found the truth ur looking for now that you believe JWs dont? Do you believe in God? Who is he and how did you get to know him? Where can I learn from ur god. Where did u? What is his will? What is yours?..
chavo774 2 months ago in playlist Tough Questions For Jehovahs Witnesses
From a medical standpoint, to give blood is very dangerous-the patient must be continually checked to make sure they don't have a reaction, because science still doesn't fully understand how blood works. Its like an organ transplant-very dangerous, even if all criteria is met. There is an artificial blood that can be used for any blood type, that will stay in the system until the blood replaces itself, and then is absorbed. It is safe and harmless, and better than a blood transfusion.
ukulelemike 4 months ago
Blood. The JW church, first of all, is incorrect in their understanding of the concept of eating blood. This is all the Bible refers to-life is in the blood, and we are not to eat it. Blood transfusions are not eating blood, thus, they do not apply. What you speak of, however, is standard legalism-you can't have a transfusion of BLOOD, but you CAN have a transfusion of all the PARTS of blood. Just like how an Amish person can't have a phone in the house, but CAN outside the house.
ukulelemike 4 months ago
Your Questions Mr gore,Tells me you don't no scripture nor understand the intended meaning by which is available for all mankind to understand, It seems by the weeping and the gnashing of the teeth you have not the basic knowledge of what it means to love your nieghbor,your anger is not against J.W but yourself . In reality you are lost,because by what purpose are you trying to abtain or gain in your conquest.What is the foundation of your corner stone?
ansermam 5 months ago
@ansermam Dude, what are you on, because that comment was like, totally incomprehensible. In trying to use a lot of $3.00 words, you made an total mess of your comment. Personally, I sense no anger or hostility in his questions. Rather, he is asking questions that his JW masters refused to answer, so he is asking here, both for his benefit, and for that of his child-worthy reasons to seek the truth.
ukulelemike 4 months ago
What argument besides your bias and emmotional reason for your conviction towards me,I ask you on the account of your solid faith you would agree that no man has sway over you would you not.Therefore on what account of your conviction towards others has one violated your stronghold of salvation if it therefore is undeniable.Because it is not a stand for confrontation,but accusation.Which is defined as an opposer Note: Lit meaning of "satan" means opposer, "devil" means slanderer
ansermam 5 months ago
@ansermam Take an English class before you come in here and make a fool of yourself.
ukulelemike 4 months ago
dude wat does the bible say! why do u needa kno components. blood is blood. u cant take any of it. its simple as that. dont do it if u dont want to. consequences.
96civicb20 5 months ago
@96civicb20 Did Jesus give His blood for our life? If given blood to save life is not biblical then we all have a problem. John 15:13
blackmediaenterprise 5 months ago
@blackmediaenterprise No Jesus did not donate his blood to the red cross, this is well known with all christain denomination,it was a figure of speech
ansermam 5 months ago
ur making the huge mistake like all other critics of Jw's. U never consider the options, u only focus on the blood. Big mistake. And pretty much narrow minded I might add.
Mis4el1973 6 months ago
First of all: there are so many other options than just blood transfusion, infact there's hardly any use for blood anymore. This "tough question" isnt that tough really.. 2nd, u have to decide for urself based on ur - on the bible sharpened - conscience what u will and will not recieve when it comes to medical care. 3rd, blood free surgery is with alternative options is just as safe, if not safer than surgery with blood transfusions
Mis4el1973 6 months ago
Blood, it's in you to give
brodeurheaton 6 months ago
This something that is between Jehovah and the person that is filling out the card. There are no judges on this its just what you think is right. You are responsible for your life so why would you question some one else.
MrTimwaddell 7 months ago in playlist Tough Questions For Jehovahs Witnesses
@MrTimwaddell So you can get Red Blood Cell transfusions?
TimKilgore 7 months ago
its up to your conscience but you can only receive one of the blood portions not blood
wep244 7 months ago
@wep244 Oh Good because no blood transfusion is made up of blood it's only made up of red blood cells. So since that's only a portion it should be OK... oh wait that's not what the Watchtower says. So wait are they wrong or are you wrong?
TimKilgore 7 months ago
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A person cannot donate there own blood to like a blue cross blue shield blood drive but a person can get there blood cleaned through a machine and returned back to theboody as long as the blood doest leave the body. --this doesn't make any sense :P
LaZiSmurF 7 months ago
Dear Tim LOL..........
roloice71 9 months ago
Well The Bible even say NO Blood is accepted. So we dont take any blood. That pill that we are alowed to take is not blood. It might have stuff in it that might be in blood but its not "from" blood. Im not sure how they make it or anything i just know its not from blood. :)
BossOfLove96 9 months ago
@BossOfLove96 But you do accept hemoglobin which is 100% of a mature red blood cell and is most certainly made from blood.
TimKilgore 9 months ago
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sabrinatai31 9 months ago
@sabrinatai31 I have seen people die for their beliefs because they stayed away from all parts. The body does not always need blood during procedures . Doctors are learning how to perform bloodless Surgergy. jws donate their own blood before a procedure in today's medical world. Receiving blood does not always mean a speedy recovery but spell doom . disease and reaction to new blood can happen.
sabrinatai31 9 months ago
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sabrinatai31 9 months ago
@sabrinatai31 You must go to a more liberal hall than I went to because JWs were not allowed to donate their own blood before a procedure.
TimKilgore 9 months ago
@TimKilgore I am in the medical field that is why I mention the donation of ones own blood. There is nothing that states that you can not receive your own blood. I believe the bible does not state that you can not receive your own blood. the bible requires people to abstain from blood ( other sources of blood ) I don't think this would include our own blood. Blood is believed to be our own source of life .
sabrinatai31 9 months ago
@sabrinatai31 Ask your local elders or I can provide publications that tell you that one cannot donate your own blood. Bear in mind that the bible says to abstain from eating blood too, nothing about transfusing it. It would be like saying that getting an organ transplant was like cannabalism... oh wait the WT has said that before.
TimKilgore 9 months ago
@TimKilgore A person cannot donate there own blood to like a blue cross blue shield blood drive but a person can get there blood cleaned through a machine and returned back to theboody as long as the blood doest leave the body
0723Breanna 8 months ago
@0723Breanna That doesn't answer the question though.
TimKilgore 8 months ago
@0723Breanna it can leave the body as long as it doesn't leave the body? oh, that makes sense XP (religion is bullsh##) ;)
LaZiSmurF 7 months ago
@LaZiSmurF NO what im saying is it can leave the body as in a tube. Like the tube is in a semicircle which one side has blod cominout and one side has blood going in to the body so it never completely leaves the body its like an extra vein that goes throu the heart and comes back out the other side of the heart
0723Breanna 7 months ago
@0723Breanna That's not donating one's blood though, that's filtering the blood and not the same as donating one's own blood for use. What exactly do you do in the medical field my dear? I took nursing level anatomy and physiology classes in college for my biology degree.
TimKilgore 7 months ago
@TimKilgore ok i was answern LaZiSmurF comment and Im a RN (registered nurse) ANd im sorry if I din answer your queston maybe i misunderstood it
0723Breanna 7 months ago
@0723Breanna OK I guess I can put it a little more to your field, you know the parts of blood correct? You know that in a mature red blood cell the only thing in it is hemoglobin surrounded by a cell membrane. Can you explain to me how exactly hemoglobin is a fraction of blood and red blood cells are not, or how RBCs are too big of a part of blood to be transfused but hemoglobin isn't too big? That's essentially the question at hand. We both took blood biology classes, how exactly?
TimKilgore 7 months ago
@0723Breanna ok blood is mostly red blood cells so taking red blood cells would be pretty much like taking blood itself whereas hemoglobin is a part of blood not the blood itself. in other words a "fraction" of the blood cell. And we can take hemoglobin also because tht promotes the making of red blood celss without taking the blood cell itself.
0723Breanna 7 months ago
@0723Breanna So you avoided what I'm saying completely, hemoglobin is the ENTIRE CONTENTS of a red blood cell. Literally a mature red blood cell is hemoglobin with a cell membrane wrapped around it. Hemoglobin does not make red blood cells it's what carries oxygen from the lungs to the blood stream. I'm starting to not believe you're an RN. Please explain how you can't have a red blood cell but can have hemoglobin now.
TimKilgore 7 months ago
Tim you are a good person , anyone can tell , but you have wasted your time on this so call "tough questions for JW" . They are not . And while investing so much time on finding out about this questions , I' m pretty sure you bump into the truth more than once. Truth that we believe in, so what happened then ? I know you know the rigth answers , I know you know the truth deep in your heart . Is't pride ? Do you think is too late to come back ? It isn't ! Pray to Jehovah and I do what's rigth !
roloice71 10 months ago
@roloice71 Yes tim is a good person and not because he is a former JW, not because he "wasting" time asking questions. Tim is not seeking people's answers, IMO. He is seeking TRUTH. There is a difference. JW's do not seek truth, frankly half the time it looks like the WT organization seeks contradictions in the Bible just to set themselves apart.
MichieHoward 10 months ago
@roloice71 Roloice I have no pride. There are things JWs are right on about, problem is that so are 1000 other religions and they don't have the same problems with doctrine that JWs do. I'd agree more with the Associated Bible Students than the JWs at this point because of their stance on Armageddon alone. In fact you should know their stance as it used to be the JWs stance.
TimKilgore 9 months ago
Your question and video was misleading. You may have forgotten to mention that the main components making blood such as "Red blood Cells, White blood cells, platelets and plasma" are NOT accepted by JW in any circumstances. Individuals can choose to receive albumin and even though albumin is in blood, it is also in Eggs and other protein food. Fibrogen and hemoglobin are also in blood but likewise they exist outside of the blood like the Kidneys.
Ivory2007 8 months ago
Your video was misleading. You never mentioned that the MAIN components of blood (White blood cells, Red blood cells, Platelets or plasma) are NOT accepted by JW in any form. So basically as you pointed out in the final part of your video, IF a witnesses was to accept ALL the fractions of blood permitted they would not have blood because the main components of blood are still missing. What they'll have is a mixture of elements that exist in blood but ALSO EXIST OUTSIDE OF BLOOD.
Ivory2007 8 months ago
Albumin, hemoglobin, fibrogen are accepted as fractions and they exist in blood but Albumin exists in eggs and other protein food, hemoglobin exists in the Kidneys, fibrogen exists in the skin. So these fractions exists outside of blood and some of them we ingest daily through food. But RBC, WBC, platelets, plasma are all associated with Blood. We don't ingest it through food or drinks they originate in the body and serve only to function in its role in whole blood.
Ivory2007 8 months ago
How doe the PRINCIPAL not apply to blood????
david42262 10 months ago
LOL..............
Were I to eat the meat of an animal on it's upper body and discard the lower portions of the body......
Are (by your line of reasoning) people who eat steak dinners eating the genitals of animals directly???
Lololololol......................
Thinnk beofre your speak please.... OK?
david42262 10 months ago
LOL
Why are you HIGH???
david42262 10 months ago
I am not a witness, but my research shows that no blood is good to take. You just listed a big list of stuff that they can put in that does not have to come from blood. Any blood put in will be cast off by the body anyway. Also they do not warm the blood before it is given and thus can cause shock.!
healthinfo1 1 year ago
To eat blood should not be a problem what so ever, not for jws either. Because what goes in a human and goes out the other end dosnt defileth the body. When it comes to transfutions I guess its what a witness would call a question about conscience. However, if you die young because of blood loss, then of what use are you? Isn`t it better to survive and keep serving, if thats what you think is the meaning of life?. (I am commenting like if I was talking to a jw)
NeedUpgrade 1 year ago
i woudl like to ask a question on this subject. How the heck is a transfusion the same thing as drinking blood. The whole subject is blown out of porpottion by you guys. The bible very plainly states that we are not to Drink any blood, but especially the blood of a animal sacrificed to an idol. The key word here is drink. Tranfusions have nothing to do with drinking, or sacrificing to idols. You wrong.....
Mrpl778 1 year ago
@Mrpl778 Hi...I would like to try and respond to your question. But ill answer using an example. Lets say a certain person has a drinking problem. The doctor says,"You can not drink anymore alcohol and to stay away from it all or else you will die or your health will get worse". The person says "okay thats fine, i wont DRINK alcohol". But then he decides to inject or transfuse alcohol into his body. Wether he drinks it our transfuses it, it doesnt matter. The point is to abstain from in all ways
BADCOOKIEMONSTER 1 year ago
@BADCOOKIEMONSTER Good example, but if I can expound upon that. A doctor says to an achoholic that he must abstain from alchohol or he will die. That man then gets a major cut on his leg and it's infected, in fact it's about to get gangrene. What's available on the spot to treat this wound is... rubbing alchohol. The man's an alchoholic and was told to no longer drink alchohol because it could kill him. Would treating this wound to save his leg and his life be against doctor's orders?
TimKilgore 1 year ago
@TimKilgore Well if thats the case then the doctor can find other means to be able to treat that infection. Rubbing alchol is not the only way to clean a wound. Theres certain people that are allergic to certain medications but the Doctor wont turn away helpless. He will find another way to deal with the situation.
BADCOOKIEMONSTER 1 year ago
@BADCOOKIEMONSTER Funny enough I've spoken to many doctors one of which delivered both my children. He was on the approved list back in the 80's, his reaction to the blood doctrine was as follows "scientifically and medically it makes no sense to accept hemoglobin but not a red blood cell but I have no issue in watching one of the Jehovah's Witnesses die on my table because they refuse the easy treatment."
TimKilgore 1 year ago
@TimKilgore ...Things really have changed and many doctors these days are really finding it way easier to treat surgeries without blood. I feel that if the God...the creator of all life says that we must abstain from it...it is for our benefit. Science goes so far...& then comes God. Honestly, i dont think i can find a common ground with you. So out of respect i will agree to disagree with you.
BADCOOKIEMONSTER 1 year ago
@BADCOOKIEMONSTER If you should abstain from blood because God says so, then why accept hemoglobin? If you abstained from every part of blood and every method it's administered (for example the bible says if blood leaves the body it should be poured out, why JWs don't donate their own blood for operation but they do allow tubes to reroute the blood outside the body) then I'd believe your argument, but the fact it's so pharasitical is where I have problems. Can you explain why hemoglobin?
TimKilgore 1 year ago
@TimKilgore It depends on the persons conscience if they will accept hemoglobin or other fractions of blood. Not every JW will accept fractions of blood.Some just abstain from blood period...even if its a fraction of it. But before JW make a decision like that, many look up information before making a decision. Not all will Some may find that hemoglobin is okay to take because its only 33% of the red blood cell, protein that transports oxygen throughout the body and carbon dioxide to the lungs.
BADCOOKIEMONSTER 1 year ago
@BADCOOKIEMONSTER Don't lie to me, remember I have a degree in biology. Hemoglobin is the ENTIRE contents of a mature red blood cell, it is not just 33%. Go ahead and research it, then why don't you find out what the job is of the red blood cell and find that it's the same that you described as hemoglobin's job. The only reason doctors transfuse RBC and not just plain hemoglobin is that the cell membrane protects from a type of blood poisoning.
TimKilgore 1 year ago
@TimKilgore Ok, well...im sorry but im done with this conversation. I hope you have a great day. ( :
BADCOOKIEMONSTER 1 year ago
@BADCOOKIEMONSTER So let me get this straight, you come on here telling me something that once I prove it's a lie you run off. Dude ridiculous, and you claim to have the truth but you have to lie in a conversation about your beliefs? So is truth really important when it comes to beliefs or do you just make stuff up so you don't look like a pharisee straining the gnat and gulping down the whole camel?
TimKilgore 1 year ago
@TimKilgore First of all,...im not runing off...If the Bible says it, we do our best to follow it and obey it. Im not here to argue at all. When i talk to someone who is trying to argue...i rather step back. Im not trying to go against anyone here. Was just trying to explain to the best of my abilities. If i was wrong about the 33% statement thats fine...ill accept it. But i was not trying to lie. Im sorry you feel that way. This is the last message I will be responding too. Hv a good day.
BADCOOKIEMONSTER 1 year ago
@BADCOOKIEMONSTER First off, you came on here to explain a teaching and did so with incorrect facts. Which the most ironic is that you came on saying that JWs research the subject and end up being wrong. If it weren't for theocratic warfare I wouldn't doubt you weren't trying to lie. And it's not IF, research it, you're wrong. So since the bible says it and you do it, all women don't wear braids or gold then in the JWs?
TimKilgore 1 year ago
video is bad...bad...bad...bad... what can i say.. just as horrible as u said ur memory is dude.. i mean cmon dude, make something else..this is just as bad as your career in wrestling and ur memory loss.
TheIslandstyle11 1 year ago
video is bad...bad...bad...bad... what can i say.. just as horrible as u said ur memory is dude.. i mean cmon dude, make something else..this is just as bad as ur career in wrestling and ur memory loss.
TheIslandstyle11 1 year ago
blood'smain components are 4 : plasma, white blood cells,red blood cells, and platelets. These we cannot take. others like proteins, minerals and water yes cuz these are in all over in our body like hair skin and nails etc....
xCR4ZYxCLOWNx13 1 year ago
@xCR4ZYxCLOWNx13 Please see my response video attached to this vid. What is the difference between an unacceptable mature red blood cell and acceptable hemoglobin? Why is one accepted and one isn't?
TimKilgore 1 year ago
@TimKilgore : now that is what i call nitpicking! good points, tim. in cases of extreme hemorrhage, i believe that RBCs are what is typically transfused, not whole blood. i think only babies receive whole blood in transfusions. i'm beginning a career in medicine, there's some sheet on alternatives for hemorrhage and JWs, which i would have no problem with. but i'm pretty sure that we haven't come up with a substitute for immediate oxygenating replacement other than RBCs. i'll let u know.
mistermig 1 year ago
google this , since I can't post the website with the facts
Are Deaths by Blood Transfusion Common?
weigh your odds
pcbarter 1 year ago
what in the hell does this have to do with Jesus???? sorry this is frustrating
singapore7773 1 year ago
I never understood why I couldn't give blood, period. I was always answered with "Blood is life and only God can give life." So I can't choose to give a little portion of my life to someone whose time isn't up yet? It was my blood and I couldn't choose what to do with it. That clashed with their teachings of "free will".
natschmat917 1 year ago
@natschmat917
I don't believe it clashes with "free will," you could still choose to do that but you would have to live with the consequences of your actions as well.
NatureNLife 1 year ago
@NatureNLife "You have complete free will, but you're punished if you choose to exercise it"
TimKilgore 1 year ago
@TimKilgore
Could you elaborate on what exactly you mean by punished
NatureNLife 1 year ago
@NatureNLife God will kill you.
TimKilgore 1 year ago
@TimKilgore
I've never heard that expressed at my congregation.
NatureNLife 1 year ago
@TimKilgore : nicely said.
mistermig 1 year ago
@NatureNLife They made me feel like if I did something that was against their teachings it was evil. In other words, you can choose to do what you want, but God won't like it and you will be punished.
natschmat917 1 year ago
@natschmat917
I'm sorry they made you feel that way. I have never had that experience in my congregation. I can't speak for every person or every JW but the ones I know are very understanding. All in all, i don't put my faith in any man to be right 100% of the time. People make mistakes. Thus far, I don't have a complaint about JW in general.
NatureNLife 1 year ago
This is funny! God is a perfect loving God and would never condemned anyone to hell right when they are born. Right? Does everyone have a chance to be a JW. Wow i guess not I am a Hemophiliac. I need blood transfusions anytime I am hurt. My question is. What do JW think about Hemophiliacs?
MrOnlyAmerican 1 year ago
yes, if blood represents the life and eating it (or injecting?) it constitutes a great sin that Jehovah will kill you at Armageddon for, then taking ANY blood product should be considered evil. I wonder how many witnesses enjoy a rare steak?...
johnguay 1 year ago
so you said in your vid that they could check off any blood portions or fractions they want. so, we have a choice. to answer your question...its how the blood is handled and reintroduced back into your body. there are many methods now used to take portions/fractions of your blood and put these into your body without directly conflicting with the scriptures or our beliefs.
chazdasurfer 1 year ago
@chazdasurfer talk about splitting hairs
singapore7773 1 year ago
Your making this to easy.. Jehovah's witnesses are encouraged not receive blood transfusions because of the bible. This is a conscious matter though and it is up to the person to choose their medical dealings. As far as I know their are no consequences from the stand point of the congregation except for those coming directly from God. Meaning the elders may talk to you about it and tell you not to.. but i do not believe you will be disfellowshipped...
AwakenGiovanni1000 1 year ago
@AwakenGiovanni1000 Hmmm, odd as I know several from my congregation that were disfellowshipped for receiving blood transfusions of red blood cells but a couple people who received hemoglobin which is the entire contents of the red blood cell were not disfellowshipped. Can you give me examples of Jehovah's Witnesses who received blood transfusions of red blood cells and were not reproved/disfellowshipped or cite it in their literature?
TimKilgore 1 year ago
@TimKilgore my aunt she did. and my friend down north he did, odd i never heard those of being dis-fellowshipped of making their own choice on this. And to you probably didn't hear the whole story of why they got dis-fellowshipped the elders aren't suppose to say why because its not anyone else's business you probably heard what people thought he got dis-fellowshipped for or from the person them self to cover up for whatever else they did.
BellaxTracion 1 year ago
@BellaxTracion Could you give me their contact for these witnesses that got blood transfusions without being disfellowshipped, I'd like to hear the whole story. As for not knowing why they were disfellowshipped, back when I was a Witness they used to do a special needs talk immediately following the announcement of someone being disfellowshipped, it was no question what they were disfellowshipped for.
TimKilgore 1 year ago
@TimKilgore See i would but they won't allow me too, they got talk to by the elders yes but no dis-fellowshipping. Ok back when you were involved in the truth was awhile back ago. Things have changed and the elders do things differently now realizing what wrongs they did. I know because my father is an elder and so is my uncle. As for my to members i mentioned they were involved in a car crash that they would've died from they were in critical condition so they decided to do what they did
BellaxTracion 1 year ago
@BellaxTracion It's been about 8 years, in 2001 someone I know personally that I'd be happy to give you the contact information for was disfellowshipped for accepting a white blood cell transplant for treatment of leukemia. However they had received a bone marrow transplant earlier which they weren't disfellowshipped for. I know you're lying about this stuff otherwise you'd have no issue with giving me contact info.
TimKilgore 1 year ago
@TimKilgore i see we both won't come to a conclusion on anything so i am happy for trying and i know i've answered right you just have your opinion and i mine. So i hope you have a great day my friend :) hugs and what not haha peace
BellaxTracion 1 year ago
Does your mom still have the blood transfusions video? Its an old old video they made about it. you should check it out.
rNicarO 1 year ago
@rNicarO Of course she does, I have it too. However my basic biology textbook from college basically negates every thing it says.
TimKilgore 1 year ago
a cake is made up of a lot of ingredients.eating flour or and sugar isnt really eating the cake.if you eat all the ingeredients to the cake at once then your eating the cake.
jw wouldnt use all the ingredients at once.:)
cubezt22 1 year ago
@cubezt22 Except that they do. As I mention in the video directly. Did you even watch the video?
TimKilgore 1 year ago
@TimKilgore if they are doing that it wouldnt make much sense.lol.i dont think they all do it though.
cubezt22 1 year ago
@cubezt22 Read the back of the card then read up on the contents of blood. The point of the question would by why is one a conscience matter and why is one not. I know it wouldn't make much sense, it doesn't make sense, hence why I ask the question.
TimKilgore 1 year ago
@TimKilgore thats something to think about.the bible says abstain from blood.
cubezt22 1 year ago
@cubezt22 Here's something to think about, hemoglobin is the entire contents of a mature red blood cell. JWs can accept hemoglobin but cannot accept red blood cells, can you explain to me how getting hemoglobin transfused is abstaining but getting red blood cells transfused is not?
TimKilgore 1 year ago
@TimKilgore i need to do more research on that one.you gave me a lot to think about.lol.
cubezt22 1 year ago
@cubezt22 If you didn't know this stuff, which I go into detail in this video and in GREAT detail to the response video to the response tagged on this video, why did you feel the need to comment?
TimKilgore 1 year ago
@TimKilgore you can always learn more.
cubezt22 1 year ago
@cubezt22 You want to learn from me? Well on the blood end I'd try with a degree in Biology that's how I learned about the parts of blood.
TimKilgore 1 year ago
@TimKilgore even after that i still could learn more.lol.i dont think were much different i just dont think that the witnesses are all that bad.
cubezt22 1 year ago
@cubezt22 all bad and all wrong are two different things. I still have friends that are Witnesses, I can't make excuses for them anymore. They can on most things but my friends are part of the AJWRB and also are looking for reform on the process for dealing with child molesters.
TimKilgore 1 year ago
@TimKilgore not all jw are childmolesters.im sure that if the elders find out that someone molested a child they would be disfellowshiped.just like people get disfellowshiped for adultry.
cubezt22 1 year ago
@cubezt22 On to another subject eh? Sure they'll be disfellowshipped, unless there isn't a second witness to the crime and they deny it. Then there's those THOUSANDS of cases where even when convicted they weren't disfellowshipped.
TimKilgore 1 year ago
@TimKilgore jw are just people who read the bible.they make mistakes just like every one else they dont teach that doing those things are right though.
cubezt22 1 year ago
@cubezt22 So you're saying JWs current blood doctrine is wrong?
TimKilgore 1 year ago
@cubezt22 That's the point he's driving at. What they are doing doesn't make much sense.
Quasiprophet 1 year ago
a cake is made up of a lot of ingredients.eating flour or and sugar isnt really eating the cake.if you eat all the ingeredients to the cake at once then your eating the cake.
jw wouldnt use all the ingredients at once.:)
cubezt22 1 year ago
ANSWER to your "Tough Question #2": because the JW belief that one's "life is in the blood" is so, so unevolved. That's why, in a nutshell!
Example of an unevolved idea: "Look, Jonathan", said King David! I jabbed this Gittite in the middle, with my sword, and when his blood ran out of him, he died! Hmmm! HIS Life must then be in his blood!"
Moral of the Story?? Don't be injecting someone else's "life" into another person's body: you might create a monster, that way!
orlovna2 1 year ago
@orlovna2 The interesting part of this is that red blood cells are not accepted to be transfused but hemoglobin which is the entire contents of a red blood cell are completely acceptable. Isn't that crazy?
TimKilgore 1 year ago
Hi again..
About ur 2nd question. Well, first it shows how long your not attending the meeting or how ur not taking carefully what the watchtower in behalf of jw should stand.
The line you made "If all ____ are acceptable.." is not watchtower statement. Instead, they made it clear that the four major component is non-acceptable. And the fractions from these four, is what individual should take their personal decision.
MrReturnBack 1 year ago
The issue here is, how serious would each one of us take the Acts 15:28,29, keep abstaining from blood. Watchtower is always on guard, making its member always well informed. But never give detailed instruction, as if anyone has taken their responsibilty. In contrast, christian always advised to use their power of reasoning and make a stand for their God.
Hows yours, how would you show ur faith to God on this matter..?
MrReturnBack 1 year ago
@MrReturnBack OK cool so then if we're asking leading questions could you stand in front of God when he asks about your child dying due to you refusing their blood transfusion and explain that if the doctors had removed the cell membrane from the red blood cell that she could've accepted hemoglobin? Or could you explain to him that Acts 15:28,29 means abstaining from blood is that when blood is initially separated isn't enough but once it's separated again that's fine. Strain that gnat.
TimKilgore 1 year ago
Good thing is, we are not to judge anyone.
So if anyone feels that those fractions are still part of their blood, have them decide.
Or if anyone feels that those were no longer part of the blood, and being free by their conscience, dont feel them guilty. After all, it is God who will judge at the end. Rom.14:12
MrReturnBack 1 year ago
Im not a parent, and i guess u are..and maybe thats why u felt that.
But take the instance of Abraham on his only son Isaac..isn't that hard for him..?
And he prove his faith that God give rewards, maybe on resurrection, bt definitely not disturb by "re-creation issue".
How about Jehovah on his son Jesus, is this doesn't appeal to you..?
Jehovah is the living God. And we can be sure that anyone putting trust on Him, will be rewarded. Heb.6:10
Why not let us help other find this God.. =)
MrReturnBack 1 year ago
@MrReturnBack So again you have no answer whatsoever to the question and you're avoiding the issue. Let me make it as plain as day for you to answer. Hemoglobin is the entire content of a mature red blood cell. Red blood cells are not whole blood. Now explain to me how red blood cells while they are a fraction of whole blood are too much of blood content to be a conscience matter and hemoglobin which is the entire content of a red blood cell is not too much?
TimKilgore 1 year ago
@MrReturnBack God will judge in the end.. but in the meantime the WatchTower will jugde you if you do not do what they say. It would make far more sense if they left the whole thing up to the individual
SpecialPioneerSmerf 1 year ago
@SpecialPioneerSmerf MrReturnBack has made an examplary witness of how not to answer a single thing and look like an ass while doing it.
TimKilgore 1 year ago
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SpecialPioneerSmerf 1 year ago
So JW's can have the flour, the sugar, the vanilla, baking powder, and eggs either seperately or together but they can't have the cake? Makes sense to me.
TheLeannarae 1 year ago
@TheLeannarae Actually it's even funnier than that, they can even mix the ingredients together and bake it, they just can't have pre-made cake.
TimKilgore 1 year ago
Can't really answer that...fully (^-^)'....but uh the bible instructs us to stay away from blood, to me blood portions is still blood, if i was faced with that scenario i wouldn't choose anything because of my conscience...
- I hope you might get something out of that...
kpivothlifet 1 year ago
@kpivothlifet Why don't you research what part of a mature red blood cell hemoglobin makes up. Then explain to me why hemoglobin can be transfused but a mature red blood cell cannot?
TimKilgore 1 year ago
The Bible gives clear direction for Christians to ‘abstain from blood’ (Acts 15:29). Therefore, Jehovah’s Witnesses refuse transfusions of both whole blood and its primary blood components, namely (1) red cells; (2) white cells; (3) platelets; (4) plasma (serum). These components cannot be "checked off" as acceptable. Beyond that, when it comes to fractions of any of the primary components, each Christian, after careful and prayerful meditation, must conscientiously decide for himself.
lifewaterfreee 1 year ago
@lifewaterfreee Except when we factor in that hemoglobin is the entire contents of a red blood cell and hemoglobin is accepted but red blood cells aren't. Why the difference? Then white blood cells aren't accepted but bone marrow is. Could you show me biblically where is says how these are not primary blood components or where the whole primary blood components come from in general? Is that biblical or just randomly decided because last I checked doctors don't consider those primary at all.
TimKilgore 1 year ago
@TimKilgore The last lime you checked? I really think you should check agian. I really find it hard to believe your doctor doesn't consider red cells, white cells, platelets or plasma as the primary components of blood. If that is the case I would also abstain from your doctor.
lifewaterfreee 1 year ago
@lifewaterfreee Yup, two weeks ago last time I checked with the leading biologist in the country. If you'd like I can send you his e-mails he sent to me and you can dispute it with him. They consider hemoglobin just as primary as a red blood cell. He told me those "primary" components were from an entry level textbook for EMTs as a memorization tool and that if you know anything about blood you would know they are no more primary than the portions JWs do accept.
TimKilgore 1 year ago
YOUR A HUMAN WHO WANTS OTHER HUMANS TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS!?.
Look if you havent eaten in four days and i have a big juicy burger their is no food no water no animals no grass no nothing for miles and you dont have A car or bike and i tell you run a mile climb a tree and bark like a dog then i'll give you the burger, whether you think its fair whether it makes sense or people cant tell you why im asking this of you IT DOSENT MATTER! if you want that "burger" do what i say otherwise DIE SLOW=D
xExalTeDxSnipeZ 1 year ago
@xExalTeDxSnipeZ This is the most non-sensical analogy posted as a response I've ever seen and this vid has been up for like 2 years now. I have no idea what this has to do with the video whatsoever and what is your obsession with me being human and asking other humans the question, what do you think I shoudl ask God? And if he gives me a different answer than the WT dogma then what, should I disregard it?
TimKilgore 1 year ago
@nikki09nation It has nothing to do with your talking or typing slower (like that would make sense) it has everything to do with poor grammar and the fact you leave out vowels in your sentences. I never said the bible was corrupted, I'm saying JW dogma is. Could you explain to me in the bible where it says Jerusalem fell in 607 BCE and how that applies to 1914?
TimKilgore 1 year ago
@nikki09nation Justifying the JW teachings with actual facts I found. The rest of your comments are barely ledgable and add nothing to the conversation fact is you think you should just accept what you're told by the WT even if the facts disagree.
TimKilgore 1 year ago
@nikki09nation Or I spent 4 or so years trying to justify my religion to myself. I probably did research and learned things, proper grammar was one of them. I have no doubt you haven't studied the bible as extensively as I have, it seems to me you'll just accept anyone's answer as to what the bible says. I can use the bible to prove anything, in fact I have used it to prove Satan is the good guy. Don't believe me, look through my vids.
TimKilgore 1 year ago
Hey, unless you created humans, then the scientific stuff is hard to answer. There might be a reason why god says to abstain that no one knows about. Just like before thousands of years ago. God gave laws about cleanliness and other stuff to the isrealites and many nations did not know why. Did not mean it was not good for them. Duh!
Equistta 1 year ago
@Equistta So your answer is "Duh, I dont' know but I'll do what I'm told." Wouldn't you like to know the reason behind someone telling you to do something or do you just blindly follow whatever you're told?
TimKilgore 1 year ago
@TimKilgore I'm not saying the reason won't come, in paradise our mind will be fully restored. They say we only use about ten percent of our brains. IN paradise when we use it to the full, we will know, but that's what faith is about. They say, science only goes so far, and then their's god. He will explain, you just need patience. And plus, if you had to die because you followed that law, you'll be resurrected for obeying anyway. What's the problem?
Equistta 1 year ago
Whether it's a matter of life or death, if you are a true christian to Jehovah, then he simply states at Acts 15:20 to abstain from blood.
deaksneaks101 1 year ago
@deaksneaks101 Oh Good, well since blood transfusions are not of whole blood they should be fine then. I'm glad no one has to die over it.
TimKilgore 1 year ago
hi, the directive has always been no blood,,without question...so lets apply please a little reasoning that Jehovah has put in place a screening inthe womb of amother and baby for the main components of blood to remain seperate but allows certain salts and fractions eg albumin to pass through to the baby ..hope that helps..credit to our maker!
scrambledchicken 1 year ago
@scrambledchicken Hmmm, isn't it strange that same cycle allows white blood cells, and red blood cells that aren't separated into hemoglobin through without a problem. Also albumin is otherwise known as a platelet which is allowed as well. So no the explanation doesn't really help.
TimKilgore 1 year ago
why not just store your own blood iff your so worried. wow just use common sense people, COME ON
jesseZR 1 year ago
@jesseZR Because JWs don't allow that.
TimKilgore 1 year ago
@TimKilgore they do iv even asked.
jesseZR 1 year ago
@jesseZR They don't and I can cite Watchtower articles.
TimKilgore 1 year ago
@TimKilgore - you can cite every doctor in the world. such as the Muslim doctors that argued with me as to why I would rather die then take a transfusion. I wouldn't take a transfusion even if the bible were completely silent. I've also rejected many other hospital tests because of the risk involved and the bible says nothing about those either. I also know people that are not JW's that refuse blood as well for the same reason.
timothyqkilgore 1 year ago
@timothyqkilgore As long as you now admit that you will not accept an expert's opinion. I know it's a matter of pig-headed, faith with no consideration taken at all for common sense. I know people who aren't JWs too that reject procedures they're called Christian Scientists and for the most part everyone considers them crazy. Since you're me and all you should I know I was in court for refusing a blood transfusion as a minor.
TimKilgore 1 year ago
@TimKilgore - wow. you are know how to misinterpret things. I refused many tests because I knew I didn't need it. They only thought it would be good to rule it out. I know my body better than they do. They knew me for one day and I've been to the hospital probably 35 times in 10 years. One procedure I refused was one where they put a scope down your throat and look at your stomach. The doctor told me I had a mental prob. Funny, how nothing out of the ordinary was the result of refusing.
timothyqkilgore 1 year ago
@TimKilgore - pig headed, no common sense. You really are retarded. I know more about it than you do, without question. One survey I googled said. "of 380 patients, 13 died (do math), 6.7% of women died, and 1.3% of men died. 11% of women developed dysfunction and 3.9% of men. Since lightening strikes in your lifetime are about 500,000 to 1 how can you make such a ridiculous statement? The problem lies here that I use common sense and rely on a tremendously biased opinion.
timothyqkilgore 1 year ago
@timothyqkilgore - correction...and YOU rely on a tremendously biased opinion.
timothyqkilgore 1 year ago
@timothyqkilgore No there's no correction, you were typing in anger and when that happens people say what they really mean. There's no question you are specifically trying to find sources to suit your already decided opinion. It's hilarious. Out of the heart the mouth speaks.
TimKilgore 1 year ago
@timothyqkilgore I read that study too, it's about people bleeding out it is not specifically due to complications from blood transfusions. It's also nearly 2 decades old as well. I know well the problem here, it's that you made an opinion without the knowledge to back it up and now are desperately trying to find a way to back up this flawed view point, and there's no question you are relying on a tremendously biased opinion.
TimKilgore 1 year ago
@TimKilgore - 1997/1998. it's dated (not 2 decades either). such a liar you are. check University Rochester Medical Center. Study Links Blood Transfusions to Surgery Complications. simply google it. I refused blood as I mentioned in May 2001 which is only a few years apart. I suppose it's ok now, but wasn't in 1997/98? Huh Timmy? Such a retard you are. answer me bitch
timothyqkilgore 1 year ago
@timothyqkilgore Oh bitch is it? Who's the one with the closed account? The article was written in 1997 but check out the studies that it's citing. I have looked at the "links blood transfusions to surgery complications" you didn't check out the links from the red cross and it's affiliates. I guess the discussion is over since you closed your account though.
TimKilgore 1 year ago
Do you know if it is O.k. for a JW to give their own blood and store it in case of emergency?
paulgem123 1 year ago
@paulgem123 It is not considered OK since they say that they could get someone else's blood instead. I'm not making that up, that's the real reason.
TimKilgore 1 year ago
@TimKilgore Interesting, Thank you.
paulgem123 1 year ago
@paulgem123 you know that it's up to a Jw own conscience what they use. Most strong JW wont even tick any options except alternatives. It's up to an individual.
mrstellitlikeitiz 1 year ago
@mrstellitlikeitiz If it's up to their own conscience why can't they choose red blood cells but can choose hemoglobin and where in the bible does it make that distinction?
TimKilgore 1 year ago
@TimKilgore - abstain from blood because you effen get AIDS and all sorts of other foreign substance rejections. I was told that if I get a blood transfusion (which I rejected many, many times) that there's a chance my body could reject it and die. Even if the blood type were the same. My epogen shots have no such risk and that synthetic drug can cause my bone marrow to produce red blood cells and cause my blood count to return to normal.
timothyqkilgore 1 year ago
@timothyqkilgore And the percentage o