Hicham El Guerrouj and 1500m WR

[lanpetpet7]

Please guys..press mute or you will get ear cancer

[lukkeno]

@lanpetpet7 i lol'd so hard

[sm4ia]

lol my pr is just under 6 but just started about 4 months ago.

[didilove19]

5***** hicham el guerrouj

[modiano321987]

i don't know what the comentator says but i think what he says it's incedible!!!

[Coryman100]

The battle of the greatest EPO responders of all time!

[Morokkino]

grande hicham il campione del mondo l3azz LOVE MOROKKO

[aissaino]

Hicham El guerrouj est le meilleur athlète que j'ai vu,je crois que 3:26:00 est un record très très difficile à dépasser,surtout qu'on a pas aujourd'hui des athlètes de haut niveau.

[ben0wn4g3]

13.04 hundred meter time.

[CTrotter21]

12.1

[xxxxxxx87]

El guerrouj it s the best athlet I never seen

[riley27489]

this guy is slow i can beat him with my feet tied behind my back.

[kingofmorocco]

LOOL

u must be jocking baby

[goblu789]

is this the same track he broke the 1600 m wr on?

[southpaw2293]

yes

[sealsoccer]

yeah

[sboufi]

for make a new record ;)

[jownzyu]

lol huge gaps

[olympicchamp]

does anybody know Hicham el guerrouj

height / weight / and inside leg measurement

as I need it for college sports profile

[ShinobiNYC]

He is 5'9" and 130lbs.

1m76 and 58 KGs.

About inside leg measurement, who knows!

[luca71090]

hicham sei il migliore!!!

[bigglkhasser321]

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101slaven101) mdrrr , n'importe quoi !!

[101slaven101]

he cheated.... he used drugs... SAID AOUITA IS THE BEST!!!

[johnliverman]

You are stupid. "he cheated" what the heck?!?!

[centthebest01]

MAROC en force Hicham El Guerrouj

[nouri78]

the best 1500m run

[athleticscoach2012]

You can speculate but never know who would have won if they were all born at the same time

[athleticscoach2012]

World records always progress and improve with time. You cannot accurately compare times or runners from different from era. If a runner did 3:25 now but ElG born later was & peaking 2012 he would still do 3:24 to beat it. Similarily if Coe was in El G era would do 2:26 ish.

[deano27671]

Yes! I agree totally!

[lollollll]

shit man what a legend are you writing in here

[cubs4lifedlee]

Check out a high schooler running a 4 minute mile. Type in German Fernandez mile on youtube.

[lollollll]

steroids anyone?

[deano27671]

Steroids wouldn't have been much use to a 1500m runner but EPO would have been and it was rife in this period! No proof that EL G did it of course.

[ibar78]

Deano i disagree, the 5000m is considered by most to be borderline middle/long distance. Seb Coe himself said El G was the greatest middle distance runner of all time.

[deano27671]

When did Coe say that? I never heard it! Even if he did, many statisticians, journalists & athletes have bestowed that title upon Coe. If you type "What is middle distance in athletics?" into Google, the 1st site that comes up states it is 800m & 1500m, while the Encyclopædia Britannica says it is 800 up to 2000m & "Some authorities regard the 3,000-metre race as middle-distance". Of these distances only the 800 & 1500 are run at championships and Coe's record over both is better than EL G's.

[lollollll]

No elgeru has 1500m world record

[deano27671]

?? Are you saying that EL G is the greatest middle distance runner ever because he holds the 1500m record!? Then that means that whoever breaks it will then be the greatest! That makes no sense;...world records are moving targets and will always be improved upon due to changes in track, diet, circumstances etc. I can see that EL G has a very strong claim to being the greatest 1500m/ miler ever, but not the best middle distance runner ever!

[lollollll]

yyea i think he's one of the greatest. lagat was good too andsome others..

[benadil]

1500 wr mile world record +2000m world record+ he ran 1 time in the 3000m result second fast time in history ever

so what do u think

[deano27671]

I know he was an incredible runner and all those performances were amazing, but if we're talking about middle distances then 800m and 1500m/Mile are the most important. EL G broke 3 World records (1 each at 1500m, Mile and 2000m). Coe broke 8 outdoor W. Records (2 at 800m, 2 at 1000m, 1 at 1500m and 3 at the Mile) He is also the only man in history to hold all 4 of the "classic" middle distance events (800, 1000, 1500 & Mile) simultaneously. He ran only 3 miles between 79 & 81, all 3 W. records.

[deano27671]

The problem with ELG as greatest "middle distance" runner ever, is that he never won anything over 800m or set any great times. He mainly ran 1500m & Miles with the occasional appearance at 2000 and 3000m; albeit very special ones. Yes he won the 5000m in Athens, but that is long distance and it wasn't really a pure 5000m race. The rest of the field really played into his hands & it became a real "kicker's" race; v. much like Lagat's win at Worlds last year.

[deano27671]

Coe on other hand was equally brilliant at both 800m & 1500m/Mile, which in my opinion is more difficult. He won 5 golds at 800m, as well as 2 Olympic silvers, and is the only man to win the Olympic 1500m title twice. It could have been 3 times had the British selectors made their worst decision ever by not selecting him in 88! I bet EL G never had to worry about running trials when he was told to in Morocco!? It's v. difficult to compare 2 from diff eras & EL G is definitely 1 of greatest ever!

[sslider08]

that was a tactical race you stupid ass

[benadil]

since u mentioned coe he himself admitted that el guerrouj was the best better than him

and aouita +el guerrouj he was under 3 30 in the 1500 countless of times

when coe said el guerrouj was the greatest

among el guerrouj+aouita+morceli so no comment

[deano27671]

Lol! Someone else said that, but I have followed Coe's career v. closely and I have not heard or seen this! It's strange what people believe when it appears on screen somewhere; I remember people saying that Aouita ran the last 100m in Nice during Cram's WR in 11.9 because someone said so. I knew straight away that it was not true, and subsequently it was proved so. If you can tell me when and where he said it and in which publication then I will look at it.

[benadil]

hello

[benadil]

it was cram who said so not coe sorry

[benadil]

sorry i couldnt post the links go to google and write el guerrouj golden salvation read what cram said ull find it on the 1st page on google

[benadil]

coe said he is the best ive seen by a long way to check go to google and writeel guerrouj time sebastian coe ull find the page in the 1st earch of google

[deano27671]

Hello my friend and thank you for the links. I have read them both and have now problems with what is said, though one must be careful not to take the comments by Cram & Coe out of context. Cram actually says that "it's hard to think of anyone who tops him" . Coe says he is the best he's seen by a long way, but that could be comparing him to the current crop of 1500m runners. When posing the question "who's the greatest", Cram is talking about 1500m/milers, and mentions Coe and Morceli as well.

[deano27671]

For me EL G, Coe, Morceli & Herb Elliott stand head & shoulders above the rest at 1500m/mile. All of these 4 have a claim, and really it is too subjective for a definitive answer. I guess it depends who you grew up watching, & most of the people that are of "the Internet" generation would know more about EL G. I don't have a problem acknowledging EL G as the greatest 1500m/miler of all time (though Coe has a strong claim) but not the greatest middle distance runner. That was Coe.

[deano27671]

As I'm sure I've written on various other Coe related vids on here, it is v. difficult to compare him to EL G. Firstly, they didn't have World Champs for the first half of Coe's career, and then they were every 4 years. Coe was ill for 1st in 83. EL G was able to win 4 world titles, but was certainly helped by the fact they were every 2 years! Coe didn't run as many super fast times as EL G, because there was no Golden League, dreadful pacing & a completely different attitude towards fast times.

[deano27671]

In the early 80's it was more important to win & the big names might only have 2 or 3 opportunities a year to run really fast times. In the late 90's rabbits & excellent pacing were almost a staple of every meet, week in week out! Also, tracks were improved twice, in '91 & again in '96, meaning that 1500m times were about 1.2 secs faster than those achieved during Coe's era. For me the only 3 criteria that are constant during all eras are Olympic medals. no of W. records & number 1 rankings.

[benadil]

i agree ive grown with the era og el g i still remember aouita though i was a small kid at that time im from morocco for me the best runner is aouita he dominated the distances for a while from 1500 to 5000 and obtained all the world records what i didnt understand aabout el g is that why he didnt try the 800m and 3000 as he only ran once and set the second fast time in history ever el g could be great in 800m as well as he had 1 46 in the last 800m of the 1500m olympic race in 2004

[deano27671]

Yeah Aouita was great. I'm sure EL G could have run 1:43 for 800m & been a serious contender for honours at the time, but for some reason didn't! Perhaps he didn't want to risk his air of invincibility with the increased chance of being beaten at 800m. He was certainly the most dominant 1500m man in history. Interestingly Aouita said that both he & Coe were capable of running 1500m in 3:27 in an interview in Athletics Today in '85. I believe neither achieved their full potential at the distance.

[benadil]

el guerrouj said he can run faster in the 1500m as well his second time is 3 26 12

althogh i think he could have done better in 1500m but i think he cant do 3 24s in one race he went on the bases of 3 24 finally he finished 3 27

[deano27671]

The thing with EL G's record runs was that he got v. good pacing. It had become an art form by the late 90's and the Moroccans had a bunch of their own "rabbits" that seemed to go with him. For example, his Mile WR comprised of laps of 55.6, 56.2, 56.1 and 55.2; very even efficient pacing , with the added bonus of Ngeny breathing down his neck to the finish.

[deano27671]

When Coe asked for a 1200m time of 2:48 in 81 for a 1500m race, he was given 51.5! (Coe at 52.4), 1:47.4 (1.49.1 for Coe) & then had to run rest of race 30m infront of Scott, Gonzales & Boit. This was his 1st and only 1500m race of the year but he managed to finish in 3:31, winning by 20m and having run the whole race practically on his own. 52.4, 56.7, 59.2 and 43.6 is no way of running your fastest. Even his WR Mile was 55.0, 58.3, 58.6 & 55.4. Again, v uneven pace.

[benadil]

i agree with you todays runners have the advantage of pace makers still i am amazed with the 1500m final in sevilla 1999 when he closed the race at 3 27 and even he slowed at the end distributing kisses to the public i think el guerrouj best form was in the years 1998 1999 and 2001

[benadil]

in sevilla 1999 el guerrouj ran with onmly 1 pace maker in the world cup championship

still he could manage 3 27 thats amazing given races in word championship are more tactical

have you watched seville 1999?

[deano27671]

Yes it was an amazing performance in Seville 99, but it wasn't tactical because he had Moroccan pacemakers setting a pace that they knew would ensure EL G would win! I didn't like the way it was all set up for him; something which wouldn't have been allowed in the past. If you look at his 2001 World victory in 3:31.8 the splits are very similar to Coe's 3:32.5 LA splits . EL G's were 58.3, 58.0, 55.0 and 40.5 (last lap 54.0, 200m 27.8) Coe's were 58.9, 58.0, 56.3 & 39.2 (53.2, 25.7).

[benadil]

still he had only 1 pacemaker for just the beginning of the race can you show me from where u got those timings please i would love to look at them to understand more the 1500m races

[deano27671]

Yeah sure! You can see them and work them out for yourself by using the videos of the races. Both are on here. You just need to know at which markings to pause it and note down the split time. The runner has to be astride the point, so sometimes it takes a little patience to keep rewinding in order to get it at the right place. I have my own copies of the races which are easier to view on a tv, as it sometimes hard to read the exact time on here.

[deano27671]

Sometimes the camera angle allows you to get a clear picture of the athlete going through the point, although sometimes it requires a bit of estimation through using times of other runners and adjusting depending on the relative distance between them and the athlete you are interested in. Thus in the 2003 World Champs (sorry, not the 2001 as I put in yesterday's post!) we see the leader go through the 1st lap in 57.7, with EL G about 4m behind (c. 58.2/58.3).

[deano27671]

EL G led at 800m in 1:56.3 ( therefore last 700m in 1:35.5, exactly same as Coe in LA) at the bell in 2:37.8 (53.9/54.0 last lap) and through 1200m in 2:51.3 (40.5 last 300m). Looking at it again, he went through 1300m (the 200m from home point, which is a curved line near the yellow box) in about 3:03.8, which means his last 200m was only just inside 28.0! However he put the "damage " in down the backstraight 100m (c. 12.5). His last 100m was a slow 14.0.

[deano27671]

You can see quite clearly from the video on here of the 2003 Paris final, that EL G & Baahla are slowing down in the homestraight. This isn't EL G's best performance by far, but I think it is always better if you are to compare athletes from different generations that you choose Championship races rather than records. If you can find 2 that are at a similar pace for the first 2 laps or so, then you can compare how they finished their races.

[deano27671]

Both EL G & Coe went through 800 within 0.7 of each other off v. similar lap times. Both completed the last 700m in 1:35.5. Most of EL G's running came on the 3rd lap, whereas Coe's was on the last lap (last 100 was 12.7). Remember, Coe was following the pace being given, whereas EL G made the pace in last 700. Also, it was Coe's 7th race in 9 days! I think EL G ran 3:28 somewhere just after the Worlds in 03!? I would suggest that Coe was capable of doing the same in 84, but never got the pace.

[benadil]

ok i admit  you know much about me in races do you have the timings of seville 1999 for me in that year el g was in his best form ever

i am by the way in london i think u r in the uk as well im 26 i cant remember coe racings i was interested to racings because im moroccan i had admiration of EL G but i need to pay more attention to the timings however the question that have do you believe that coe was able to bear el g world recored pace? still 3 26 is far from 3 30 or 3 31?

[deano27671]

Hi! Yes I live in London too. You hadn't even been born when Coe had his best season! Lol! I believed at the time (early 80's)& reaffirmed this view since, that Coe was capable of 3:27/3:28. I know this is shared by "experts" i have spoken to.This would be worth close to EL G on modern tracks & have explained my reasoning of this on other Coe related videos on here; if you'd care to read them. Had he been born 20 years later, he would certainly have been EL G's main rival for records and medals.

[deano27671]

Coe ran so few 1500m races at the peak of his career & had many injuries/ illnesses that curtailed several seasons. He did not complete the 79,80,84,85& 88 seasons through injury, was injured for entire 87 season & seriously affected by illness in 82&83; which should have been his best seasons at 25&26. Certainly anyone who breaks the WR for the Mile twice in his only runs at the distance that year(81), was capable of running much faster had he ran the distance more often with decent pacemaking

[deano27671]

I'm sure I've got the 99 splits somewhere, I'll get back to you on that one. Have a good wkend!

[benadil]

still we cant say who is the greatest every era is alone, though el guerrouj is the fastest so far h had the advantage of basing himself on previous performances he had the advantage of improved tranings and most importantly pace makers and increased number of meetings and amount of prizes

what if aouita cram coe were in the era of el guerrouj and el guerrouj were in their era ?

[deano27671]

Very true! I think we should just appreciate each's unique contribution. It's like music & films,.you always prefer those which were popular in your era. I have watched all athletes since the late 70's when I was a boy. Even among the great ones there are a few with that something extra special that can't always be quantified, but sets them apart. For me it was Coe; so focussed, determined & with an effortless grace; I believe he would have succeeded in any era. The same can be said for EL G.

[sslider08]

ngeny behind him actually slowed his record run that day rather then helped him...everytime elg found himself in that situation he would slowdown so he could outkick his opponent to the line...his 1500 equivalent to the mile is a time of 3:42 by many experts

[deano27671]

Lol! You clearly don't know much about EL G! He always went from 400m + out as he knew that was his best way of winning. How many times did he stay in the pack or on the shoulder of the leader until the last 200m and then "kick"??

Ngeny proved in Sydney that if the pace drifted to around 3:32, he had a stronger kick than EL G. EL G would have been doing all in his power to shake Ngeny off his tail before the last 200m.

[benadil]

yes but we cant judge el g on that from 1 race (the fianl of the olympics he said himselve he was not in his good day he was so scared and nervous) co himself said that el g can do better that what he did in the mile given his 1500 wr time. ngeny helped el g to run faster to take the world record and ngeny was a great athlete as well unfortunately he had an acicdent that kept him away from the athletics otherwise it would have been good rivarly between him and el g

[deano27671]

No, EL G should not be judged on 1 race alone, but rather on his whole career, which was magnificent. Likewise, Coe ran a bad race in Moscow 800m due to nerves & the pressure of being expected to win. He didn't and some have never let him forget it. The difference is that Coe still ran the last 200m faster than anyone else, whereas EL G was infront and was passed by Ngeny in the homestraight. I think that athletes should be judged on their best form, and Coe & EL G were perhaps the 2 best ever.

[Morenonortino]

I disagree with you. There was an additional pressure on El G to win an olympic medal since he was domainanting the 1500m. He won in Athens while staying in the pack and composed himself to beat Lagat. On the ohter hand, I agree with you that El G usually accelerate from 600-300 m to win most of his races.

[jajmjbylso]

EL G accelerated with 700-800m to go in athens. It was the fastest last 800m ever run in a 1500m race (1:46.7)

[sslider08]

.he could have run 3:24.. neither elg achieved his full potential at the 1500 in several occasions..the best place would have been seville 99 when kissing his shoulders and blowing kisses to the crowd and still finish with the fastest 1500m in a chanpioship record in the low 3:27!!

[deano27671]

If you made a cohesive argument backed up with facts then maybe I'd be inclined to take you more seriously! EL G had the most carefully orchestrated and efficient set of pacemakers "working" for him of any athlete I can ever remember! Lol. He had several "attacks" every year of his career & amazingly seemed to suffer from very few illnesses or injuries that may have prevented him from more attempts. He slowed down in the last few strides of the 99 Worlds, & this wasn't worth 4 secs! Thats 30m.

[deano27671]

To be truthful I have less respect for EL G for using pacemakers in a World Champs! This was illegal not too long ago and shows a fear that he wasn't 100% confident of winning a tactical race where the race developed "naturally" You never saw Coe, Cram, Morceli, Walker deploying such immoral tactics.

[sslider08]

oh sorry it's looks like u're the only one that knows about elg give me a break...the truth is that...u love so much seb coe that u're willing to go around looking for every elg's videos here on youtube and talk smack about him and try to dicredit this great legend of his acheavements.i suggest u praise ur hero in his videos or cause it bothers u that elg gets more hits than coe.there is no place for u here.u're a hater.i've seen your name in almost every elg video.get the fuck out of here bitch

[deano27671]

I'm only replying to your direct messages to me! Lol. If it bothers you that much then don't send me badly written messages full of swearing! You have only reinforced the comments I put in the other response you sent me; that people resort to vitriolic bile when they can't respond with any sort of argument!

[sslider08]

u need to get a job dude...u look so stupid when u try to make any sort of argument against the greatest miler and middle distance runner of all time...now live with it

[deano27671]

Lol! :0)

[sslider08]

deano is in denial brother...i visualize deano as bored a brit white fat man in his 40's that has no job other than go after the greatest miler & middle distance of all time...this dude is sick

[deano27671]

Your perception of character is about as accurate as your understanding of "middle distance" running. I think I can safely say that my job is somewhat more demanding than any position you would even be considered for, given your inability to string a grammatical sentence together! My 10 year old kids have got better literacy skills than you DUDE! Perhaps you should go back to school!

[ibar78]

El G - the greatest middle distance runner of all time!

[deano27671]

No, that title belongs to Coe! EL G did nothing at 800m, and the 2 classic events at "middle distance" are the 800m and 1500m/Mile!

[garicmidknight]

amazing display of doping, congrats!

[esclarochelle]

amazing

[SeriousDBZ]

i dont see why they have the 1500m run and 1600m run they're practically the same thing

[RunningIsFun86]

uhh the 1600 is an American event ran because its 4 exact laps and close to a mile. The rest of the world uses the metric measuring system so they like their events to be well rounded numbers... 1500-3000-5000-10000

[SeriousDBZ]

ohhhhh lol i'm so stupid

[anassama]

hicham el guerrouj es el mejor atleta que hay y habrá en toda la puta historia

es el mejor

[jamesby]

Merci Hicham, merci pour toutes ces émotions.

[adilocasa]

Merci Hicham El Guerrouj pour tout

[salaayoubi]

the GREATEST of all atlets

A PURE TALENT

[alextheking90]

1500 m 3:26.00 Hicham El Guerrouj Morocco  July 14, 1998 Rome, Italy

[rodlaflo]

el mas grande de todos los atletas. superdotado

[ElAngelPerdido]

firdaus if you knew anything about anything you would not have said that. ha, it just shows once again how ignorant Gringos are, and if you aren't a Yankee then shame on you. A geography/history lesson isn't even worth it for a dumbass like you.

[firdaus125]

It's just a joke, buddy. I'm a Muslim and not a racist. I just thought it was a funny thing to say since blacks get treated badly by cops and Americans are so islamophobic.

[funkymario]

then it was a very bad joke my friend, if you are really muslim, its a shame to say stuff like that..

[firdaus125]

those blacks lost caused they only have to run away from NYPD, this guy has to run away from guys like US troops and shit ..

[hostaden]

shut the fuck, if you got mayonnaise in ur head then just watch and enjoy, dont comment on, racist.

[firdaus125]

It's just a joke, buddy. I'm a Muslim and not a racist. I just thought it was a funny thing to say since blacks get treated badly by cops and Americans are so islamophobic.

[reza27]

he s morocaan ,he don t need to run from anyone ,he run only behind million dollars he ll get,and buy people lke you.

[firdaus125]

It's just a joke, buddy. I'm a Muslim and not a racist. I just thought it was a funny thing to say since blacks get treated badly by cops and Americans are so islamophobic.

[raysalsa1]

to bad he and all the others took the money. prefontaine turned down the money told the race promoter to keep. he said i run best when i run free. Nike only made a statue of one athlete and thats pre. evry1 and i mean every1 else is second class.

[RunningIsFun86]

lol you have no clue what you're talking about. Prefontaine didn't turn down any money because he wanted to be free. He turned down money because back when he ran he was not allowed to accept money, or else he'd lose his amateur status. And to run at the Olympics you had to be an amateur. He was actually well known for speaking out against the AAU and their stupid rules and fought to bring about change so that runners could support themselves and their running careers.

[sslider08]

don't give me that pre shit...go write that crap somewhere else bitch

[deano27671]

such a colourful vocabulary, but I think you need to go work on your spelling now mister.

[ZidaneGOD]

Hicham El Gerouj is the "Zidane" of Athletics..

[ricky887]

i got goosebumps watchin this

[nelskuni]

How can someone run the 1500m at that pace is beyond me. Fantastic!! Thank you for the video

[runner4peace]

He was in totally different level...he left them, great runner!