Traditional Karate Training 6 shuto-uke kokutsu-dachi

[BelloBudo007]

On the other hand perhaps Yano Sensei doesn't feel comfortable with his English language skills and prefers the rote method. This method is probably more suited to resident teachers than a special guest instructor who you may never see or hear from again. He can be seen working away within the group, giving people the opportunity to see how he does his karate. It's great for those who can learn this way but often isn't the best method for western cultures.

[eisbombenhagel]

One question: What's the point putting a video on Youtube of people doing line work without any explanation or anything interesting? Mr. Yano actually isn't teaching anything in the video. I mean: I can see that in any training session and our teachers are able to count as good... I guess the same applies to most karate practitioners. So I don't get it.

[MrRamboman123]

@eisbombenhagel i think that' is rather stupid what you say there. most people dont go on you tube for 'learning' something. you can see a vid from a traditional karate training like it says.

what did you expect??

wtf are you doin g on youtube? read a book

[eisbombenhagel]

@MrRamboman123 Your reaction is rather stupid. I asked what the point is in this video. I expected something interesting and this isn't interesting at all. It's as interesting as a video of cars passing by or a video of a white wall. Watching this vid is a waste of time (actually like answering your rude, braindead comment): It's not entertaining, not astonishing, not informative and it doesn't teach you anything. So what are you doing on yt besides writing bs?

[MrRamboman123]

@eisbombenhagel watching vids like everyone. you are not a true follower of karatedo so stop watching vids about karate and writing stupid comments to annoy everybody.

[eisbombenhagel]

@MrRamboman123 Get a life!

[MrRamboman123]

@eisbombenhagel i will try, thank you. but it will be difficult.

[Gooregan]

@eisbombenhagel :-) I like the question. I feel like asking it all the time. Especially on workshops with high-ranked masters who just do the same stuff and tell the same things as you are being told in most dojos all the time. No idea what people find fascinating about that.

[BelloBudo007]

@Gooregan - I have watched most of the traditional karate training tapes on YouTube hoping to learn something from the Masters for that 'light globe' moment. Sadly with Yano Sensei -also known as Sado Sensei (as in sadistic), his teaching style doesn't include key tips that will help people improve by thinking. Instead he's from the old school of 'they will learn how if they do enough reps'. And when they don't learn he knocks out even more reps. Either that or he's just thick.

[gattuso1998]

Che asini!!!!!!!!!!! Non sanno proprio fare nulla!!!!! Non sanno tenere neanche le posizioni in modo corretto.

[Sibarita65]

Datevi all'ippica!!!! Nessuno di voi che sa tenere la posizione in modo corretto!!!!!

Give horseracing!! None of you knows how to hold the position correctly !!!!!

[megafaka]

wow how great would it be to learn from a man like him! his ki is so strong justfrom watching

[EugeneMartinson]

What is the music playing on this video (and other videos with Master Yano 8th Dan) ?

[margotkd]

Thank you Master Yano.

[osensei2987]

@ShowYourWorking These same techniques are used in various styles throughout Asia. From Kung FU to Filipino Martial arts. But the Japanese have convinced their karate cult that the Japanese way is the only truth. So u can't tell these mofos shit man! This is why ppl make ridiculous accusations about Karate techniques that supposedly don't work and about kata being useless! It's because the always see the wrong applications!

[brinnonvallere]

@ShowYourWorking

I use to think that shuto uke was a strike, but lately have been working it like a throw.

[osensei2987]

@brinnonvallere There more applications than u can imagine. For example in the transitional feet together stage the hands are crossed. In this position the hand that is moving toward ur ear can be executing an inside parry of ur opponents lead punch while the hand that crosses underneath can execute a nukite ( eye gouge, poke in the larynx or some other sore spot) or it can be used to jam the shoulder thereby preventing a gyaku tsuki by ur opponent! Then u finally strike with the shuto.

[osensei2987]

@brinnonvallere Look at other martial arts and u can pick up applications! Watch this guy! All of these techniques are in Heian kata:

watch?v=2_Va0C5N6Iw

:03 is the nukite from heian nidan

:014 shows how the crossing action of a shuto uke can parry and hit with the underneath hand simultaneously.

1:03 is a wing hand block just like the one that sets up the spin move in heian sandan

You see how you can find these applications spread throughout Asia?

[osensei2987]

@brinnonvallere Notice also how a lot of those two handed techniques look suspiciously like morote uke? U think maybe morote uke can be interpreted as a slap and hit technique instead of a block?

[haffoc]

@ShowYourWorking Hmmm. I have done shuto uke on the street against real attacks and I never delivered it the way depicted here, the classic karate method where the hand comes from the shoulder. In real life the hand goes out from where it was when you perceive the attack. It doesn't have time to detour to the shoulder. There is, in fact, no advantage to cocking the hand at the shoulder before making the defense.

[fujicolt]

@haffoc notwithstanding your pertinent comments - where does he teach anything instead of drilling them up and down - or is that another clip i haven't seen yet.

[osensei2987]

@haffoc Read my comments to brinnonvallere and watch the video and u will see the advantage of cocking.

[haffoc]

@osensei2987 Okay, I read the post to brinnonvalere. I am not persuaded. People see way more in the kata than is warranted. Too often the interpretations put forward for this move or that are strained and impractical. You might be interested to know that other karate styles in the same kata don't cock the hand to the ear to deliver shuto uke. The substantial differences in execution among styles for the same movement makes interpretation doubly hard, and everybody is equally likely to be wrong.

[osensei2987]

@haffoc Maybe other karate styles don't cock the hand back because they're using a different application for the shuto! The fact is that in styles like boxing there is usually only one application for a technique. The left hook is always the same. But 1 technique can have any # of applications in karate and it is 1 of the main reasons that kata exist.

[haffoc]

@osensei2987 "and 1 technique can have any # of applications in karate ..." True. I have seen Chinese forms explained in the same way. The problem is not with that. It is with the choice of technique chosen by the interpreter. Many of the movements of karate seem to be to be suggestive rather than literal. By suggestive, I mean they are intended to remind the student of the application. But the actual movement does not necessary replicate the real movement. See the opening to heinan 3.

[osensei2987]

@haffoc My interpretation of the opening of Heian Sandan is that the application for double handed block is really a simultaneous hand immobilization attack and back fist. For more information see Pak Sao Gua Choi (if I'm spelling it correctly) from Wing Tsun. I know the great Hanshi in Japan and all over the world will disagree because I'm desecrating their religion though.

[haffoc]

@osensei2987 "But any 1 technique can have any # of applications in karate . . ." True for the most part. That is not the problem. The problem lies in the choice of technique chosen by the interpreter and in the content of the form. Much of what is in the karate kata seems to me to be there for show and not for function. But people strain to find combative purpose in it.

[osensei2987]

@haffoc These techniques are spread all over Asia. U see them in arts like Wing Tsun, White Crane, and various Chinese Boxing styles, Filipino Kali, etc. Nevertheless, when u see Japanese bunkai the application borders on the ridiculous. Who the hell uses a morote uke the way it is explained by the Japanese? Go back to the source and you'll find the truth! Or you can shroud yourself is the false pride of Japanese nationalism and remain blind!

[haffoc]

@osensei2987 You have me confused. I read your posts as defending Japanese interpretations of the kata. Here you attack them. I am not defending Japanese interpretation; for the most part I am critical of most of the Japanese inspired bunkai. The applications taught for Chinese forms can often (but not always) be more realistic and practical. See Yang Jwing Ming's work, for instance.

[osensei2987]

@haffoc In spite of what the Japanese nationalist dominated karate orgs along w/ the Okinawans will tell you, much of Karate came from China. To me it seems to be descended from many Southern Shoalin, Chinese Boxing and Daoist styles. Although Shotokan w/ its geri waza reminds me of Northern Shaolin as well as Southern. If u look at the Japanese interpretations of kata you will see utter bullshit! Forensic investigation of the whole of Asian MA is the only hope of finding the truth.

[osensei2987]

@haffoc I agree! Japanese bunkai is useless. What I hate is when morons say that kata is a waste of time. Kata in itself is excellent as long as u are being taught the correct interpretation and use the techniques in the proper context. Learn the kata and try to execute the technique in real combat simulation. Not BS sports sparring, but full-contact but moderately protected realistic fight simulations. Also u need to know the when it is appropriate to use a technique or not.

[IEKUKATAKA]

@osensei2987 Absolutely dead center. However, convincing the Japanese is impossible and convincing the west is worse. Millions and millions DO karate; very few study and understand karate or what martial arts really are. It is absolutely amazing what people will swallow WITHOUT DOING ANY RESEARCH and spend loads of money on crap.

[eisbombenhagel]

@IEKUKATAKA How right you are! Unfortunately... 

[osensei2987]

@haffoc Yang Jwing Ming is an excellent example of how Japanese bunkai are BS. Shoalin Chi'na and White Crane are excellent sources to draw applications from. U can see the same techniques that Japanese are calling uke waza (blocking) are actually used as arm wrenches, bars and locks. In Wing Tsun many of these techniques are trapping hands and strikes.

[eisbombenhagel]

@osensei2987 Right! It's actually all a matter of the distance. Japanese (and reimported okinawan) karate assumes a wrong distance for the applications. If you actually follow the kata you'd fill the gap to the opponent and from there the "blocks" (actually deflections) work quite well and lead – as you pointed out for WC – into trapping. From there follow all kind of locks, armbars and throws – or generally spoken: all kind of takedowns. It's actually really cool when you discover it...

[THEMASTERG3]

in reality, thumbs being in/out isn't relevent unless you want to look pretty in competition. you don't strike with the thumb and relaxing the hand allows you to generate more power.

[senpai36]

@THEMASTERG3 : The thumb has a function in the open hand techniques, it helps you to tighten specific parts of your hand so that the technique will be stronger.

[osensei2987]

@THEMASTERG3 The thumb is vulnerable to injury when striking and may also get snagged on clothing and such. It should be tucked in when performing shuto uchi / uke. Period. Some styles do use open fingers but the thumb is still always tucked in. If you shuto a heavy bag you will find that the knuckles have a tendency to bang against one another on impact. The open hand helps to prevent this from occurring.

[MrMikeod]

no, no thumbs-not for basic kihon. may have been different when the sensei learnt many years ago, would have to look at funakohi text. looks like he has been through the mill back when.

[SLwootwootUK]

does jka actually allow you to knife hand block with open thumbs

[brickshooter]

No. It's just sloppy kihon.

[saderstyle]

parecen cinturones blancos...

con el nivel que tienen son grados "regalados"

[NormaStitz]

All hitchhikers sticking out your thumbs ready for a break.

[BrotherPaul57]

there are some slackers in the class! sloppy technique is no excuse!

[risborg]

try doing 1,000 and see how good you look....

[ikachi2005]

good

[6skarn]

Bonjour,

Je ne peux pas m'empécher de regarder la main du maitre. Il a du travailler sur le seiken et le shuto sur quelque chose de dur, et il s'est explosé la main ainsi que le poignet (surement une entorse), c'est du vrai karaté.... mais ça fait mal quand même de voir une personne détruire son corps pour le rendre plus dur