hey have you actually fely any diffrence on the bike after installing autotune? i already have a pcv, but thinking of buying a autotune. im only riding on the streets, not on the track.
@alykarate Engine temperature is a built in feature of the Power Commander V - you only need to tap into the engine coolant sensor wire (this is documented in the installation instructions for your bike). Unfortunately it does not work with Power Commander 3.
@Aldivine LOL, I fitted it myself. All you need is a switch from an auto parts store and wire it into the "switch" sockets on the Powercommander V. Then you just reconfigure the Powercommander so that the Autotune is turned on and off by the switch. I mounted my switch on the inner fairing panel under the left-side handlebar.
@Aldivine You may need to upgrade the PCV firmware. I had to do this to mine to get AFR readings to work. Also check the lights on the Autotune box. If one of them does not stop flashing after 10 seconds, your Autotune O2 sensor has failed. Both lights need to be on all the time and not flashing.
if i'm understanding this. I'm fully running my r6 with the auto tune on consitant tune.meaning its always adjusting it.if I wasted the 60 bucks on the dynojet switch, then when I didn't want to "autotune" anymore and turn it off it just reverts back to the map that was set, not the adjusted map which it just tuned.? If thats so, then honestly running the switch is pointless
@toyscostmoney10 You can install your own switch for a couple of bucks, just mount it on the fairing somewhere. But yes, ultimately the switch is indeed pointless if you have your Autotune running how you like it!
thought so...I was running straight auto tune and the bike ran like shit. went in the map and right in the power its all like -20. so I changed it all to +20 and it ran so much better.but thats with the autotune off. I haven't been able to play around with it with the laptop hooked up, but i'm thinkin a call to Dynojet is in order.
@toyscostmoney10 Basically this means that the AFR values provided by default are wrong for your bike. This is essentially the biggest problem with the Autotune - Dynojet give you a predefined AFR target and everyone assumes it will work for their bike. Tuning for power and driveability means finding the right AFR for *that* bike at *that* rpm and throttle position, and maybe even *that* gear. The Autotune needs to be treated as a blank canvas for an artist to work with. Go find an artist!
@KaldekBoch --ahh I see, that makes perfect sense, although is completly jacked!so I spend the $ on the auto, yet have to have it dyno'd anyways to still provide the best settings.haha ah damn! I appreciate it, I'll be workin on it! any suggestions for an 06 R6 runnin stock headers,y pip and leo slip on? haha wish it was that easy!
@toyscostmoney10 Just to confirm, did you unhook your PAIR system? Autotune will NOT work at all if PAIR is connected because it makes the Autotune sensor see very lean readings. Bikes with PAIR and factory O2 sensors close the PAIR valves off when the bike goes into closed loop (listening to the O2 sensor) mode.
@KaldekBoch Yeah when I first put my pc3 on I removed the AIS/reeds and put some plates in. got the pcv w/autotune in the stock o2 bung location. thinkin i need to just hook up the laptop to the unit and see what the output is. its been cold here, havn't really wanted to do it.otherwise I'm thinkin the autotune might be faulty?i dunno...gotta tinker with it
@toyscostmoney10 It's possible for the sensors to fail and go fully lean. Good way to test this is to unscrew it from the headers and wrap it in a cloth which has been heavily sprayed/soaked with carburettor cleaner. This will keep out the oxygen and it should read fully rich (9 or so) when you hook up the laptop. If it goes rich then suddenly fully lean (17 or more) then it's a dud. Just make sure you spray enough carby cleaner on the rag otherwise the test won't work.
@KaldekBoch right on man, I'll def give that a try in the next few weeks,never thought of that. I'll be sure to drinch that rag with carb cleaner.hell, got a fresh can at home! haha thanks for advice. RIDE safe !
hi,my thinking is that pc3 or pc5 has got custom map for your bike and is connected to O2 sensor,so reads values and...what is happening next?is pc changing fuel/air ratio depending what is read from sensor?or are maps in pc just fixed and do not change when riding?is autotune better to install just to read values from sensor and throttle position and adjust ration depending of air conditions?
@wowerman The Autotune adjust the fuel based on values from the O2 sensor as you ride. It tries to hit a specific Air/Fuel ratio defined by you. It essentially slightly alters the map inside the PC5 so that the air/fuel ratio you want is reached. It is very hard to tune for power this way, so the best use for Autotune is to use it to tune for fuel economy when cruising.
trying to understand all this stuff. What is auto tune? So i buy this PCV and use different tables available to me or tweak them. That I understand. So what does auto tune do to my tables?
@brooksidemech Autotune alters your fuel on-the-go based on feedback from a wideband O2 sensor. You tell the PCV what air/fuel ratio you want to hit and the Autotune does the rest. You can use this to make a good tune better, but it's very hard to make a custom tune from nothing.
The Auto Tune kit can be configured to run and correct at all times or by using the "map switch port" on the PCV. You can set it up so that you can switch back and forth between the tuning modes and the base map settings. You can also configure the Auto Tune kit to wait until the bike is at a certain operating temperature before beginning to make adjustments.
I taught that you leave you autotune connected and adjusting all the time? is this right? My bike was dynoned but i taught that if i get the autotune it would work better because it will automatically adjust the fueled while riding. depending on the air temp etc. Am i right or not?
@kpandinu Sure, if your dyno tune was accurate then your Autotune with settings around the +10 and -10 can make the bike run better at cruise. But you need to make sure the target AFR values are the best for your bike and try not to tune in throttle positions which don't work well (such as 2% throttle for example). It all depends on the bike really.
When I tuned my bike. I first set the pc5 up on the dyno and recorded the a/f ratio. Then took those recordings and pit them into the ratio map. My bike never goes leaner then 13.9:1 or richer then 12.6:1
The auto tune does it's job. I tuned my bike on a dyno. Then put the auto tune on and then ran it on a dyno in learn mode and now it was 33 digs out side. Fired it up hooked up my laptop and as the bike warmed up it made the needed adjustments. Bike ran better then my buddies bike witch doesn't have auto tune. So I say it's worth the money and the time to get the a/f ratio dialed in.
Boy,so If I'm understanding this right,the auto tune isn't worth it then? Best bet is to just get it dyno tuned? Or does this auto tune let you save the map it has made for you? I still don't understand why the auto tune cant just be left on 100% of the time? Ppl tell me if you leave it on it will give you a bad map, I don't understand how that could be if its always tuning??
@claas90017 It will give you a bad map because when you decelerate with an open throttle, it will tune the engine still as if you were on the gas. No system should alter the fuel map when decelerating.
Nobody ever slaps their throttle shut *every* time they decelerate, so the Autotune keeps getting its knickers in a twist. Folks have fitted vacuum-controlled switches in-line so that the Autotune is deactivated whenever intake vacuum is high.
Kal thank you for the reply. So if i understand you correctly, you are advocating starting with a base map (whether custom or not) and then only turning on auto-tune when switching octane or other mechanical change (eg air filter) and then only using it to build trims by making full power runs. Other than these conditions you turn it off because non 0% throttle decelerations create less than perfect AF mixtures.
@KaldekBoch Hmm, so now I'm NOT getting errors? Whatever! I recommend anyone interested visits the "VFR Discussion" forums and searches on Autotune and specifically the vacuum-controlled switch for enabling and disabling Autotune.
Cal - hello. Is this a bug? Does this mean that you must always leave the unit 'on'? I am considering the autotune and was told to turn it off and disconnect the sensor once i had a map - this would contradict that statement. What have you learnt since making this video? Thank you.
@xphilip No, not a bug! It's handy to have the switch because it means you can turn Autotune on when you get different octane fuel, or are riding in different altitudes. Building a map with the Autotune is harder than they say, because if you decelerate on anything other than 0% throttle, the Autotune make bad trim adjustments. It is much better to get a custom map done on a dyno for your bike, and use the Autotune to make temporary trims to that map when riding.
hey have you actually fely any diffrence on the bike after installing autotune? i already have a pcv, but thinking of buying a autotune. im only riding on the streets, not on the track.
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how do you display the engine temperature on screen ...... and is it possible to do so using powercommander 3 usb ??
alykarate 1 month ago
@alykarate Engine temperature is a built in feature of the Power Commander V - you only need to tap into the engine coolant sensor wire (this is documented in the installation instructions for your bike). Unfortunately it does not work with Power Commander 3.
KaldekBoch 1 month ago
MINE HAS NO ENGINE TEMP =( .. ?¡¿
Aldivine 1 month ago
WHERE IS THAT SWITCH?
Aldivine 1 month ago
@Aldivine LOL, I fitted it myself. All you need is a switch from an auto parts store and wire it into the "switch" sockets on the Powercommander V. Then you just reconfigure the Powercommander so that the Autotune is turned on and off by the switch. I mounted my switch on the inner fairing panel under the left-side handlebar.
KaldekBoch 1 month ago
@KaldekBoch thanks man... my AFS is not reading.. have any idea what could it be?
Aldivine 1 month ago
@Aldivine my AFR (sOrry)
Aldivine 1 month ago
@Aldivine You may need to upgrade the PCV firmware. I had to do this to mine to get AFR readings to work. Also check the lights on the Autotune box. If one of them does not stop flashing after 10 seconds, your Autotune O2 sensor has failed. Both lights need to be on all the time and not flashing.
KaldekBoch 1 month ago
if i'm understanding this. I'm fully running my r6 with the auto tune on consitant tune.meaning its always adjusting it.if I wasted the 60 bucks on the dynojet switch, then when I didn't want to "autotune" anymore and turn it off it just reverts back to the map that was set, not the adjusted map which it just tuned.? If thats so, then honestly running the switch is pointless
toyscostmoney10 2 months ago
@toyscostmoney10 You can install your own switch for a couple of bucks, just mount it on the fairing somewhere. But yes, ultimately the switch is indeed pointless if you have your Autotune running how you like it!
KaldekBoch 1 month ago
@KaldekBoch
thought so...I was running straight auto tune and the bike ran like shit. went in the map and right in the power its all like -20. so I changed it all to +20 and it ran so much better.but thats with the autotune off. I haven't been able to play around with it with the laptop hooked up, but i'm thinkin a call to Dynojet is in order.
toyscostmoney10 1 month ago
@toyscostmoney10 Basically this means that the AFR values provided by default are wrong for your bike. This is essentially the biggest problem with the Autotune - Dynojet give you a predefined AFR target and everyone assumes it will work for their bike. Tuning for power and driveability means finding the right AFR for *that* bike at *that* rpm and throttle position, and maybe even *that* gear. The Autotune needs to be treated as a blank canvas for an artist to work with. Go find an artist!
KaldekBoch 1 month ago
@KaldekBoch --ahh I see, that makes perfect sense, although is completly jacked!so I spend the $ on the auto, yet have to have it dyno'd anyways to still provide the best settings.haha ah damn! I appreciate it, I'll be workin on it! any suggestions for an 06 R6 runnin stock headers,y pip and leo slip on? haha wish it was that easy!
toyscostmoney10 1 month ago
@toyscostmoney10 Just to confirm, did you unhook your PAIR system? Autotune will NOT work at all if PAIR is connected because it makes the Autotune sensor see very lean readings. Bikes with PAIR and factory O2 sensors close the PAIR valves off when the bike goes into closed loop (listening to the O2 sensor) mode.
KaldekBoch 1 month ago
@KaldekBoch Yeah when I first put my pc3 on I removed the AIS/reeds and put some plates in. got the pcv w/autotune in the stock o2 bung location. thinkin i need to just hook up the laptop to the unit and see what the output is. its been cold here, havn't really wanted to do it.otherwise I'm thinkin the autotune might be faulty?i dunno...gotta tinker with it
toyscostmoney10 1 month ago
@toyscostmoney10 It's possible for the sensors to fail and go fully lean. Good way to test this is to unscrew it from the headers and wrap it in a cloth which has been heavily sprayed/soaked with carburettor cleaner. This will keep out the oxygen and it should read fully rich (9 or so) when you hook up the laptop. If it goes rich then suddenly fully lean (17 or more) then it's a dud. Just make sure you spray enough carby cleaner on the rag otherwise the test won't work.
KaldekBoch 1 month ago
@KaldekBoch right on man, I'll def give that a try in the next few weeks,never thought of that. I'll be sure to drinch that rag with carb cleaner.hell, got a fresh can at home! haha thanks for advice. RIDE safe !
toyscostmoney10 1 month ago
so what is benefit of installing auto tune?economy or smoother engine work?
wowerman 2 months ago
hi,my thinking is that pc3 or pc5 has got custom map for your bike and is connected to O2 sensor,so reads values and...what is happening next?is pc changing fuel/air ratio depending what is read from sensor?or are maps in pc just fixed and do not change when riding?is autotune better to install just to read values from sensor and throttle position and adjust ration depending of air conditions?
wowerman 2 months ago
@wowerman The Autotune adjust the fuel based on values from the O2 sensor as you ride. It tries to hit a specific Air/Fuel ratio defined by you. It essentially slightly alters the map inside the PC5 so that the air/fuel ratio you want is reached. It is very hard to tune for power this way, so the best use for Autotune is to use it to tune for fuel economy when cruising.
KaldekBoch 1 month ago
trying to understand all this stuff. What is auto tune? So i buy this PCV and use different tables available to me or tweak them. That I understand. So what does auto tune do to my tables?
brooksidemech 4 months ago
@brooksidemech Autotune alters your fuel on-the-go based on feedback from a wideband O2 sensor. You tell the PCV what air/fuel ratio you want to hit and the Autotune does the rest. You can use this to make a good tune better, but it's very hard to make a custom tune from nothing.
KaldekBoch 4 months ago
The Auto Tune kit can be configured to run and correct at all times or by using the "map switch port" on the PCV. You can set it up so that you can switch back and forth between the tuning modes and the base map settings. You can also configure the Auto Tune kit to wait until the bike is at a certain operating temperature before beginning to make adjustments.
spasmpete 4 months ago
@spasmpete Yeah I was using the switch in the video.
KaldekBoch 4 months ago
I taught that you leave you autotune connected and adjusting all the time? is this right? My bike was dynoned but i taught that if i get the autotune it would work better because it will automatically adjust the fueled while riding. depending on the air temp etc. Am i right or not?
kpandinu 6 months ago
@kpandinu Sure, if your dyno tune was accurate then your Autotune with settings around the +10 and -10 can make the bike run better at cruise. But you need to make sure the target AFR values are the best for your bike and try not to tune in throttle positions which don't work well (such as 2% throttle for example). It all depends on the bike really.
KaldekBoch 4 months ago
So when using an auto tune on the viffer, do you unhook the stock two O2 sensors?
Rangerscott69 9 months ago
@Rangerscott69 Yeah absolutely you need to disconnect them and put O2 eliminators on the plugs.
KaldekBoch 4 months ago
You have to accept auto tune trims first then click send map to enable the adjustments it made unless you keep auto tune running
HeyDickTits 10 months ago
i'm not 100% sure, but i think u needed to clik "save map" before you turned off the auto tune.
the changes the auto tune make are only applied to your base permanently after you have accepted the trims..........i could be wrong though........
cacasplat3 1 year ago
When I tuned my bike. I first set the pc5 up on the dyno and recorded the a/f ratio. Then took those recordings and pit them into the ratio map. My bike never goes leaner then 13.9:1 or richer then 12.6:1
speedy81304 1 year ago
The auto tune does it's job. I tuned my bike on a dyno. Then put the auto tune on and then ran it on a dyno in learn mode and now it was 33 digs out side. Fired it up hooked up my laptop and as the bike warmed up it made the needed adjustments. Bike ran better then my buddies bike witch doesn't have auto tune. So I say it's worth the money and the time to get the a/f ratio dialed in.
speedy81304 1 year ago
@speedy81304 That's cool, but what did you put in the Autotune AFR tables? I'm assuming you didn't use the defaults.
KaldekBoch 1 year ago
well,... i guess i'm getting a bazzaz unit....
Markitos203 1 year ago
Boy,so If I'm understanding this right,the auto tune isn't worth it then? Best bet is to just get it dyno tuned? Or does this auto tune let you save the map it has made for you? I still don't understand why the auto tune cant just be left on 100% of the time? Ppl tell me if you leave it on it will give you a bad map, I don't understand how that could be if its always tuning??
claas90017 1 year ago
@claas90017 It will give you a bad map because when you decelerate with an open throttle, it will tune the engine still as if you were on the gas. No system should alter the fuel map when decelerating.
Nobody ever slaps their throttle shut *every* time they decelerate, so the Autotune keeps getting its knickers in a twist. Folks have fitted vacuum-controlled switches in-line so that the Autotune is deactivated whenever intake vacuum is high.
KaldekBoch 1 year ago
@KaldekBoch Thanks, makes scents
claas90017 1 year ago
Kal thank you for the reply. So if i understand you correctly, you are advocating starting with a base map (whether custom or not) and then only turning on auto-tune when switching octane or other mechanical change (eg air filter) and then only using it to build trims by making full power runs. Other than these conditions you turn it off because non 0% throttle decelerations create less than perfect AF mixtures.
Is this correct?
Many thanks - Philip . ..
xphilip 1 year ago
@xphilip I replied directly to you as I'm getting errors when I try to post here! But in essence you are correct.
KaldekBoch 1 year ago
@KaldekBoch Hmm, so now I'm NOT getting errors? Whatever! I recommend anyone interested visits the "VFR Discussion" forums and searches on Autotune and specifically the vacuum-controlled switch for enabling and disabling Autotune.
KaldekBoch 1 year ago
Cal - hello. Is this a bug? Does this mean that you must always leave the unit 'on'? I am considering the autotune and was told to turn it off and disconnect the sensor once i had a map - this would contradict that statement. What have you learnt since making this video? Thank you.
xphilip 1 year ago
@xphilip No, not a bug! It's handy to have the switch because it means you can turn Autotune on when you get different octane fuel, or are riding in different altitudes. Building a map with the Autotune is harder than they say, because if you decelerate on anything other than 0% throttle, the Autotune make bad trim adjustments. It is much better to get a custom map done on a dyno for your bike, and use the Autotune to make temporary trims to that map when riding.
KaldekBoch 1 year ago