Well, it's been four days since I asked you to explain how I am a bigot and you obviously couldn't come up with an answer to substantiate your claim. Nice try. I wonder if you even know what the definition of what a bigot is.
@kirk0311 - Yes, I would use this on a neck wound. Kaolin impregnated cloth is harmless. Kaolin is a just a white clay found naturally in the ground in Georgia (and perhaps elsewhere). Hell, you're basically made from clay.
What blows my mind about this, is that you get a 12 foot piece of cloth dipped in kaolin, stuck in a foil pouch - and they charge $40 for it. For those that don't know, kaolin is just white clay mined from the ground (I know for a fact in Georgia). It's the same stuff that crayons and Kaopectate are made from. $40??? Really!?!
im not a medic but i inquired a medic about quick-clot (i was interested in buying a hemostatic agent - powder)
he explained it to me that old powders worked with a exsothermic reaction and could cause severe burns
he said that quick-clot and other modern powders are safe to use on all external wounds - the only thing is that you must mark the patient or wound so the surgeons would know what kind of powder did you use
I've always wondered about this... If the femoral artery is cut does the muscles downstream from the cut not get blood or are there other arteries that feed blood to the same muscles?
@kirk0311 The combat gauze works because of the Kaolinite which activates coag factor 7a.
If you research Dr.Margolis and his Kaolin clotting experiments that will explain how it works. The zeolite in both the old and new version of quikclot work because they have tremendous hydroscopic properties, ie: they pull water to them amazingly fast! Leaving the concentrated coagulation factors that are already in a persons own blood. The reaction is physical, not chemical.
@gammathetasbear yes, for several reasons. If you're treating a patient you can insert the gauze in any position. It's also better because you can pack the gauze directly into the wound instead of trying to pour powder into the wound. Basically you have a lot more control and also the bandage absorbs more blood which is a plus.
"As a result of intensive research and development, the formulation of QuikClot ACS+™ has been re-engineered to stay cooler on contact. It has a greatly reduced exothermic reaction, with maximum temperatures in vivo typically at 105 degrees F. This cooler formulation was developed in conjunction with the U.S. Marines, with applications beyond the military. "
I am a Corpsman and I recentely went to TCCC (Tactical Combat Casualty Care) course and they recomend the use of Combat Gauze for any bleeding in combat where a torniquet should not be used. The powder QuikClot is no longer accepted due to the heat is creates, sometimes causing more damage to the wound.
Stuff is incredible.... I saw the other video about the instant intraosseus line.... Just incredible how all one needs to do is locate the sternum and manubrium and they're in business
I am a corpsman with a line company. Based off of the textbook reason behind quikclot application, it is contraindicated due to the heat involved. The major concern is to even further damage to vital tissue in the area and the airway spasming closed. BUT....my buddy has used it on a neck wound as a last resort but inserted an airway device immediately following using the powder. Needless to say, his Marine is still around and doing ok. It all goes back to Life over limb bro.
This stuff is seriously amazing. Glad to hear it's actually in use on the field. The life saving potential of QuikClot is certainly there. Do you know if they have this in ERs and hospitals?
It's not so much used in hospitals, as to improve the odds that a patient will make it *to* the hospital. With an arterial bleed, you are still going to need urgent surgery to repair the vessel, clean out the wound to minimize infection risk, etc. Hemostatics simply slow bleeding in order to stabilize the patient for transport to a surgical facility.
It all depends on the wound and where it's located. Some gunshot wounds bleed very little, some hit an artery and bleed profusely. Knife wounds tend to bleed profusely. If it's just a venous or capillary bleed, a hemostatic may be overkill-you should be able to control it with direct pressure. And if the site of the wound allows tourniquet placement, that is still the preferred intervention. Hemostatics are great for wounds where the site precludes a tourniquet (e.g. torso, pelvis)
Clearance from FDA includes any external use....There are no excpetions for any external use.
Company reports that the limitaitons for us of old granular product were imposed by Army...not FDA or company..they said can be used on any external wound.
yea the quick clot powder gets hot the gauze was made as an improvement it works fine u just have to hold pressure for 3 to 5 mins which could cause probs for a medic
gasdorf...No offence but your info is about two years old..The granular got hot if it wasn't used correctly but the combat gauze doesn't get hot at all....it saved lives at Fort Hood...i've been doing some research and this whole heat thing has prevented alot of people from buying it....that's really too bad...probably killed some people who didn't have it because somebody gave them old info.
In the civilian world mistakes cost money....in my world mistakes copst blood.
Wingmanusn, correction to your statement. The original "Quikclot" granular hemostatic agent causes an exothermic reaction regardless of how it is used. If it comes into contact with blood, you better be ready for that immediate heat. There are newer versions of granular hemostatic agents with minimal to no exothermic production, but I work with Marines and quite simply, its a lil pricey and they aren't going to pay for it. Quikclot gauze is a great product. Great wound packing with no heat.
"i've been doing some research and this whole heat thing has prevented alot of people from buying it."
Not true at all. The original form of quikclot that causes this heat reaction has been used by the DOD for all branches in IFAK's and medic bags for years now. That's all we used for a long time. Shit, that's what I still use as a Corpsman. None of high speed hemostatic products the army uses. Quikclot granular, quikclot gauze and a shit load of wound pack gauze.
Even if they did, why bother worrying about it? IF they did die, then these pigs have saved THOUSANDS of lives of soldiers in the field. That's why animal test, while sad, is necessary. They suffer so you don't have to.
Better to test life saving devices on an animal than a human being. Especially when those human beings that need such devices are fighting for our country.
That pig served its purpose in this world and will have a special corner of heaven all to himself for doing a service to humanity.
Tests like these must be done on living animals in order to present real life scenarios. If the pig were dead, there would be no point in trying to stop the bleeding because the heart would not be pumping any blood.
Wow. I didn't know I was a bigot and a fool for wanting our troops being taken care of regardless of how legit the conflict is. Traditionally our armed forces are for protecting us, however I agree they are currently being misused. Thank you for making judgement on my views and personality without knowing a thing about me. Ron Paul 2012.
You must be a corpsman? I'm in Sadr city right now getting ready to use this video to train up my platoon on this. We are rplacing hemcon with the combat gauze. I've used it on a goat. Thank god I haven't had to use it on any of my joes.
the pig should be proud.
ilcammarato 1 month ago
you are stupid, they can't eat the pig once these treatments are done to it.
ilcammarato 1 month ago
@MSL209 Dude you have to put the "@" sign for them to see your comment. I also want to know how you are a bigot
Sporemaniac15 1 month ago
So, enlighten me, how am I a bigot?
MSL209 3 months ago
Well, it's been four days since I asked you to explain how I am a bigot and you obviously couldn't come up with an answer to substantiate your claim. Nice try. I wonder if you even know what the definition of what a bigot is.
MSL209 3 months ago
thats just fucking sick that poor pig.....they should have just used my wife
weeguymo 6 months ago 4
@kirk0311 - Yes, I would use this on a neck wound. Kaolin impregnated cloth is harmless. Kaolin is a just a white clay found naturally in the ground in Georgia (and perhaps elsewhere). Hell, you're basically made from clay.
TrackerMedic 6 months ago
What blows my mind about this, is that you get a 12 foot piece of cloth dipped in kaolin, stuck in a foil pouch - and they charge $40 for it. For those that don't know, kaolin is just white clay mined from the ground (I know for a fact in Georgia). It's the same stuff that crayons and Kaopectate are made from. $40??? Really!?!
TrackerMedic 6 months ago
The pigs dont survive lol, Im in a live tissue course for the Marines, and they euthanize the pigs afterwards. Sorry PETA
dethtek10891 6 months ago
@kirk0311 i realize this is a year old but the Answer is yes you can use this on neck wounds. Im a medic in the Army.
eck432 7 months ago
these pigs survive btw guys.
dialn911 8 months ago
I hope that wasn't a human....
DangerousDog18 10 months ago
This is the bomb, only if Corporal Jamie Smith had this, he would have lived in 1993.
shadownetava123 10 months ago
Did pig survived ?
SOULFLYSI 10 months ago
works combat gauze realy in 2-3 min. or in 5-8 min?
spezihb 1 year ago
The pig lived. They had to do long term (6-12+ month) survivability testing.
Ech0Sierra 1 year ago
@Ech0Sierra Yes he now lives in a semi-detached villa overlooking a plateu of natural volcanic beaches just off the coast of the Bahamas !
007bondspy 1 year ago
I could go for some pork chops!
jerryboy219 1 year ago
@kirk0311
im not a medic but i inquired a medic about quick-clot (i was interested in buying a hemostatic agent - powder)
he explained it to me that old powders worked with a exsothermic reaction and could cause severe burns
he said that quick-clot and other modern powders are safe to use on all external wounds - the only thing is that you must mark the patient or wound so the surgeons would know what kind of powder did you use
Polenar 1 year ago
I've always wondered about this... If the femoral artery is cut does the muscles downstream from the cut not get blood or are there other arteries that feed blood to the same muscles?
LooseLatitude 1 year ago
bacon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
nedge46 1 year ago
@kirk0311 The combat gauze works because of the Kaolinite which activates coag factor 7a.
If you research Dr.Margolis and his Kaolin clotting experiments that will explain how it works. The zeolite in both the old and new version of quikclot work because they have tremendous hydroscopic properties, ie: they pull water to them amazingly fast! Leaving the concentrated coagulation factors that are already in a persons own blood. The reaction is physical, not chemical.
longtrain62 1 year ago
is this better than the powder form?
gammathetasbear 1 year ago
@gammathetasbear yes, for several reasons. If you're treating a patient you can insert the gauze in any position. It's also better because you can pack the gauze directly into the wound instead of trying to pour powder into the wound. Basically you have a lot more control and also the bandage absorbs more blood which is a plus.
MattHeaven 1 year ago
danh I slaughtered a goat on vid and got flaged for being gross,, How come the PETA people aint raisig hell about the pig?
dsarti1 1 year ago
celox is better
biglu2 1 year ago
From the Z-Medica website:
"As a result of intensive research and development, the formulation of QuikClot ACS+™ has been re-engineered to stay cooler on contact. It has a greatly reduced exothermic reaction, with maximum temperatures in vivo typically at 105 degrees F. This cooler formulation was developed in conjunction with the U.S. Marines, with applications beyond the military. "
snowandash 1 year ago
I am a Corpsman and I recentely went to TCCC (Tactical Combat Casualty Care) course and they recomend the use of Combat Gauze for any bleeding in combat where a torniquet should not be used. The powder QuikClot is no longer accepted due to the heat is creates, sometimes causing more damage to the wound.
alcocer 1 year ago
mmm... pork...
tisaacso3625 1 year ago
Stuff is incredible.... I saw the other video about the instant intraosseus line.... Just incredible how all one needs to do is locate the sternum and manubrium and they're in business
jeste4187 2 years ago
Kirk0311,
I am a corpsman with a line company. Based off of the textbook reason behind quikclot application, it is contraindicated due to the heat involved. The major concern is to even further damage to vital tissue in the area and the airway spasming closed. BUT....my buddy has used it on a neck wound as a last resort but inserted an airway device immediately following using the powder. Needless to say, his Marine is still around and doing ok. It all goes back to Life over limb bro.
Br1emt 2 years ago
This stuff is seriously amazing. Glad to hear it's actually in use on the field. The life saving potential of QuikClot is certainly there. Do you know if they have this in ERs and hospitals?
fidgetingfinch 2 years ago
@Fidget:
It's not so much used in hospitals, as to improve the odds that a patient will make it *to* the hospital. With an arterial bleed, you are still going to need urgent surgery to repair the vessel, clean out the wound to minimize infection risk, etc. Hemostatics simply slow bleeding in order to stabilize the patient for transport to a surgical facility.
hibob841 2 years ago
@hibob841 Do you know if Quik Clot would be useful for gunshot or knife wounds? I would like to know for a book I am writing.
fidgetingfinch 2 years ago
It all depends on the wound and where it's located. Some gunshot wounds bleed very little, some hit an artery and bleed profusely. Knife wounds tend to bleed profusely. If it's just a venous or capillary bleed, a hemostatic may be overkill-you should be able to control it with direct pressure. And if the site of the wound allows tourniquet placement, that is still the preferred intervention. Hemostatics are great for wounds where the site precludes a tourniquet (e.g. torso, pelvis)
hibob841 2 years ago
@hibob841 Hey thanks man, I appreciate it!
fidgetingfinch 2 years ago
Clearance from FDA includes any external use....There are no excpetions for any external use.
Company reports that the limitaitons for us of old granular product were imposed by Army...not FDA or company..they said can be used on any external wound.
wingmanusn 2 years ago
yea the quick clot powder gets hot the gauze was made as an improvement it works fine u just have to hold pressure for 3 to 5 mins which could cause probs for a medic
-combat medic at fort sam houston
colbycargile 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
i gets hot once it hits blood about 230 degrees ...fried skin anyone
gasdorf 2 years ago
gasdorf...No offence but your info is about two years old..The granular got hot if it wasn't used correctly but the combat gauze doesn't get hot at all....it saved lives at Fort Hood...i've been doing some research and this whole heat thing has prevented alot of people from buying it....that's really too bad...probably killed some people who didn't have it because somebody gave them old info.
In the civilian world mistakes cost money....in my world mistakes copst blood.
wingmanusn 2 years ago 4
Wingmanusn, correction to your statement. The original "Quikclot" granular hemostatic agent causes an exothermic reaction regardless of how it is used. If it comes into contact with blood, you better be ready for that immediate heat. There are newer versions of granular hemostatic agents with minimal to no exothermic production, but I work with Marines and quite simply, its a lil pricey and they aren't going to pay for it. Quikclot gauze is a great product. Great wound packing with no heat.
Br1emt 2 years ago
Furthermore wingmanusn:
"i've been doing some research and this whole heat thing has prevented alot of people from buying it."
Not true at all. The original form of quikclot that causes this heat reaction has been used by the DOD for all branches in IFAK's and medic bags for years now. That's all we used for a long time. Shit, that's what I still use as a Corpsman. None of high speed hemostatic products the army uses. Quikclot granular, quikclot gauze and a shit load of wound pack gauze.
Br1emt 2 years ago
This is why animal testing is good for us all. Sure it's sad but it's to help us.
chechnya 2 years ago
So far no animal has died during these tests. It is definitely great.
malicios 2 years ago
Even if they did, why bother worrying about it? IF they did die, then these pigs have saved THOUSANDS of lives of soldiers in the field. That's why animal test, while sad, is necessary. They suffer so you don't have to.
chechnya 2 years ago
testet das zeug doch an menschen(sind sicher genug bereit dazu) aber nicht an völlig hilflosen tieren
rettungsfan 2 years ago
Poor pigs.....
myscongeniality 2 years ago
lol can i have somee
TBT7777 2 years ago
umm thats a pig. They probably cooked em afterwards emmm mmm haha
commogod25 2 years ago
Hats off to the guy that volunteered to be the have himself sliced open in that video... ;-)
MSL209 2 years ago
They use poor pigs.
myscongeniality 2 years ago
I know it was a pig.
Better to test life saving devices on an animal than a human being. Especially when those human beings that need such devices are fighting for our country.
That pig served its purpose in this world and will have a special corner of heaven all to himself for doing a service to humanity.
MSL209 2 years ago 14
humans are animals :)
but I agree, that pig has served its purpose to help save human lives
O8SERVER 2 years ago 10
@MSL209 Actually, if you watch carefully, that pig is breathing the entire time.
AubinMagnus 1 year ago
@AubinMagnus
Tests like these must be done on living animals in order to present real life scenarios. If the pig were dead, there would be no point in trying to stop the bleeding because the heart would not be pumping any blood.
MSL209 1 year ago
@MSL209 said "[...] are fighting for our country. [...] That pig served its purpose in this world and will have a special corner of heaven [...]"
You are such a bigot and a fool. The soldiers fight for private interest and the pig will become bacon.
newtubetubetube 3 months ago
@newtubetubetube
Wow. I didn't know I was a bigot and a fool for wanting our troops being taken care of regardless of how legit the conflict is. Traditionally our armed forces are for protecting us, however I agree they are currently being misused. Thank you for making judgement on my views and personality without knowing a thing about me. Ron Paul 2012.
MSL209 3 months ago
@MSL209 said "Thank you for making judgement on my views and personality without knowing a thing about me."
I did no such thing. And i even quoted the relevant part from which i made my judgment. But yeah, feel free to ignore that act like the bigot you are.
newtubetubetube 3 months ago
Bought some.
RodCornholio 2 years ago
This is the latest generation of quikclot. it's way better than hemcon. Cheaper too
famdawg 2 years ago
This is the only video I have seen for the combat gauze.
skast101 2 years ago
You must be a corpsman? I'm in Sadr city right now getting ready to use this video to train up my platoon on this. We are rplacing hemcon with the combat gauze. I've used it on a goat. Thank god I haven't had to use it on any of my joes.
skast101 2 years ago