A Guide to Outmatched 1v2 Insane (Patch 1.1) [SC2]

[Omegascithe]

@gabestah Would this still work with the latest patch and all?

[gabestah]

@Omegascithe I can't really say with certainty unfortunately, but seeing as it's continued to work through multiple patches in the past, I *suspect* it's still viable.

Good luck!

[Omegascithe]

@gabestah That's quite all right. I already figured out it still works ^^

[TheKFCluver]

I tried a total of 28 tries. 20% of those tries i had to remake the game due to being on the wrong side. 30% of those tries the first two high ground cannons failed by being randomly attacked by all their probes and zealots. 50% of those tries, the cannons at 8:38 get attacked by a couple zealots and stalkers, die, and chase my probe while the 2 cannons on the bottom get raped.

Very, very, very, very, very stressfull.

[XStealths]

Fuck this achievement man, while I'm making cannons at the second base, he already has immortals.

[nggonline]

This still works in StarCraft 1.2.2 just tried it. However, i might have been lucky, because they did not attack the first two cannons on the high ground at the beginning, so i did not have to cancel them. The workers attacked them eventually, but it was too late. Everything else was the same as in the replay. Thanks.

[GelsonW]

Thanks for the video. Still works in patch 1.2. I got the achievement even starting on the left side of the map.

[marii9292]

nice :D

[libum1]

thanks. took roughly 20 tries, most of the time the 2nd base makes stalkers and have to instantly quit, sometimes first base can cause issues too.

i changed it slightly, adding 2 more probes while the forge is building, which has no effect on the rest of the timings, and then i later bring them up to help the original prove. i send all 3 in to the 2nd base at once, 2 as decoys, and it seemed to work better from there as long as they had primarily zlts.

thanks again

[0ngus]

dude thanks a lot for this video, worked first time i tried :D. i sent my probe down to build the pylon next to the second base while my very first cannon was building. the timing worked perfectly, and it meant that when i went to build cannons near the second base they only had 3 zealots. they never had time to get any stalkers at all.

awesome video.

[FiveCardArmy]

Great video, thanks for the tip. I thought it was even easier to send out a probe immediately and only build 9 probes total. The timing and resources worked out perfectly when the probe arrives to the spot you have just enough resources to make a pylon. The quicker you drop the pylon the higher your success rate. I chrono boost whenever waiting for a forge or building to finish.

[Jowsh]

great tutorial, I did it following this!! (after many tries...) the only thing is - STARCRAFT GLITCHED after the game and I have no achievement :-( pretty annoyed

[jmlp15]

this achievement is so gay.. and could you add a little excitement in your voice such a dull instructor.

[TheKFCluver]

@jmlp15 This achievment is amazing, and could you be greatful that he is even using his voice instead of some gay music

such a dull person.

[TerjeSC]

Done on the first try using the same exact positions, 6:32 min game. Thanks for the guide.

[aoosterhoff]

Doesn't work with new patch I've tried 6 times, the zealots hang out by your second pylon and don't come down past the ramp when you enter the base

[FiveCardArmy]

@aoosterhoff - This def works just completed it today. Try making only 9 probes and sending out a probe to make a pylon at the start.

[rookielegend1990]

Hm... for me, zealots from the other base come to help destroy the cannons..

[yoyoyoonsung]

This is a very good stratedgy, still works on 1.2.1. This all depends on luck though, first base is no problem, but i see lots of people complaining about the second base. When you make the cannons near their base two things can happen they atk u, or clump together. If they clump, get your probe in the 2nd base and lure them to the cannons, and simple after that they have little army so u just need to make cannons in their base

[MaxMeier]

second base is building void ray :(

what now?!

[tomtomdelavega]

@MaxMeier OMG, void rays ???

i have trouble with 8/10 stalkers but never seen void rays o_O

[tomtomdelavega]

I got several problem on this challenge.

The first base goes down, no problem, but when i put my pylons and photon canons on second base, the zealots didn't attack it, so i continue like u and send my probe in their base, but everytime they catch my probe and kill it, so the technic don't work with me. I tried 20 times and each time it's the same, i can't destroy the second base.

What's wrong ? Why the zealots doesn't attack my second pylon and photons ?

Did u tried with last patch ?

Best rgds

[gabestah]

@tomtomdelavega If the second base has only Zealots when you move your probe up to the high ground, you should be able to escape with your probe. If you are attacked on the ramp by Zealots, or Zealots chase you once you get further into the base, quickly turn your probe around and run back down the ramp with the Zealots behind you and run past your cannons on the low ground.  The cannons will shoot the Zealots, and if you keep running in a small circle near your cannons, the zealots will die.

[tomtomdelavega]

@gabestah the pblm is there is a lot of stalkers in the second base and they start to shoot the pylon and canons before my probe go in the base.

When my probe come in the base, 2 solutions :

- i go near my canons to have vision and kill the stalkers : the stalkers one shot my probe impossible to micro

- i go in the base by-passing the stalkers and zealots : time to reach the canons they have kill 2 and when i put the canons in the base they shoot them and after they shoot my probe

22 fails :(

[tomtomdelavega]

@gabestah did u try with the last patch ?

If u got it, can u post the replay ?

THX

[Deathman1091]

Thanks!

[AtheistKharm]

I think you forgot to mention how much luck is involved. If I lucky out on the first toss and they don't rush my cannons on the high ground before they are done. Then it seems as soon as I drop cannons on the low ground for the second toss all zealots run down before the cannons are done.

[burninheat]

Thank you for this guide, it helped me finally get this achieve

[bta1987]

I think this is still a little bit tricky to pull out. The easiest way to get this achievement is to choose the map Twilight Fortress and start from below the ramp with 2 canons & progress toward the middle & then to both ends.

[tomtomdelavega]

@bta1987 do u have a replay of this ?

Cauz when i try it i build pylon and forge below the ramp, when forge start all probes of the 2 enemies comes and destroy it and my probe too -_-

Did u play against terrans or protoss ??

[bta1987]

@tomtomdelavega Sorry i dont keep it. But you play against 2 protoss. Build the first canon next to the forge & leap frog your way up the middle, once in the middle, build 3-4 canon or so to warn them away & start to work on both side simultaneously, targeting the nexus first. Twilight Fortress is the easiest map I can think of. Got that achievement in the 2nd try!

[acooca123]

Hey, I tried this so many times it was frustrating. After analyzing carefully the video replays I figured that I was doing it too fast (I started building the second pylon 20 seconds before you) so the second computer did not have enough army and did not attack my three canons making it impossible for me to get in his base without being attacked right away.

Anyways, I tried going on after them both simultaneously and I succeeded first shot. If you don't mind I will try to post a video response.

[LvlTenHp]

I had to modify it a bit by placing more cannons at the lower for the first one, then two at top and that was over. Bottom base had to place a few more at the lower level also before I could get them away enough to place some at the upper level. But I got it, just need to beat 1v3 vh for them all done.

Thanks for guide

[makasa86]

this strat is so difficult to use.. when i get rid of the top base the bot base already has a crap load of stalkers already.. and im not sure what im doing wrong.. the gametime on both are like 3 seconds off but i didn't see any stalkers on yours. any suggestions?

[gabestah]

@makasa86 The best bet is to keep trying and examining your replays after each attempt to see if the build order of the "second base" changes -- I believe the AI has a handful of builds it can choose, and you likely need to keep trying until the "second base" chooses to go the mass zealot early into late stalker build, rather than stalker early.

If your timing everywhere else is on par as you mention, then eventually it will work out in your favor. Good luck!

[acooca123]

Good job. I will try it out. Mind letting me know which program you are using to record your videos? 

[gabestah]

@acooca123 Fraps.

[gabestah]

@Th3Gamer123 By all means, and grats on the success!

[MacLeodOne]

Wonderful. Thanks for the upload! I had the right strategy, but this map allows it to work quite well.

[LvlTenHp]

I can definitely see this working, just having difficulty being fast enough about it.

The top base doesn't always go the way I need it to, and by the time I get the cannons down, the second base usually has stalkers or sentries and I'm fail at kiting. Great guide tho, I'm constantly attempting it cuz I know I can get it.

[Reach4sKai]

bah. tried it 3 times today and couldn't get it to work. the bottom base always had sentries or stalkers out

[MrLothogan]

Hey mate, this doesn't work. I can easily kill the first insane, but the secound just goes stalkers from the start and hits the cannons before they are up

[gabestah]

@MrLothogan Well obviously it *does* work. >< Make sure you are doing things quickly enough and not overspending where unnecessary.

As for your Stalker issue, just keep trying a few times, you'll get it. If you download and view the replay linked in the info, you can see on my run the 2nd base doesn't even BEGIN making Stalkers until the 5 min mark; well after my bottom cannons are complete and I've even started on the upper level cannons. Keep trying until you get similar results! G'luck!

[MrLothogan]

@gabestah Sorry, I made it perfectly. I just wasn't patient enough to try a few times before I started whining. Thanks for the guides, keep it up! :)

[gabestah]

@MrLothogan No worries, congrats!

[matthewgs1]

thx man this really helped!!!

I just had to sign in on my old account just to let you know lol

can you make a video vs 4 very hard Ai ??

[gabestah]

@matthewgs1 Thanks for the feedback.

And I've made a 1v4 Very Hard guide already actually; check my channel or search "Guide to Outmatched 1v4 Very Hard". Similar to this one, there's an updated version for post-patch 1.1. Good luck!