"America's health care system is second only to Japan, Canada, Sweden, Great Britain, well...all of Europe. But you can thank your lucky stars we don't live in Paraguay!"
You hae no idea how the wheel came into play in world's society don't you? First of all, it was the Horse that give people in the Eastern Hemishpere the idea of the Wheel...From Wagons and chariots to the arrival of the automobile, thats what they mean when they say "horse power"...Natives did have the wheel, it was used on wheel barrels and toys, but they didn't have the horse to start a wheel revolution.
2007 U.S Census studies: there are over 237,000 Native American businesses and it is expected to be over 300,000 by 2011 Census Studies.
Basicaly what they are saying is that Native Americans today generate over 60 billions in net profits and pay billions of dollars in taxes...The census has only counted half the Native population and has under counted Native business numbers...And Natives have given key contributions to the development of the U.S - Want more facts usaf317?
On the state and local government levels, tribal communities contribute $246 million in tax revenues annually, and the combined purchases of goods from reservations total $5.5 billion on an annual basis.
Business Marketing Website: "Native Americans are expected to see their buying power jump from $47.7 billion in 2004 to $65.6 billion in 2009"…2002 Census: “Tribal businesses have contributed to $10 billion in wage and salary income to the United States. This has generated between $4-6 billion in federal tax revenue annually”
im 18 years old and have a rare chronic illness. Im scared for my life.My life is in the governments hands. Last time i checked, you arent a doctor. Im not a number, statistic,burden, I AM A PERSON! if you cant judge on spirit and quality of life, what the hell gives you the right to determine whether i should live or die because you wont give me the treatment i need to survive.
Obama used it in the health care bill. It was used in the health care law. What is Obamas doing to R country. Dhimmitude, Never heard the word Till now. Google it, It's on page 107 of the healthcare bill. It is a REAL word. Dhimmitude Dhimmitude: the Muslim system of controlling non-muslim populations conquered through jihad. It is the TAXING of non-muslims in exchange for tolerating their presence AND as a coercive means of converting conquered remnants to Islam.
You use "Native Americans" in your info section to prove a point...You are using a "group" of people and putting us in one category...I thought you believed in the "individual".
It was a Native American democracy that influenced the U.S Constitution and helped the U.S overcome European "marxism".
@TheNativeHistorian The one U.S. single-payer healthcare system for Native Americans is called the "Indian Health System". The U.S. is providing failing healthcare to a single group of people, therefore, it is appropriate to refer to that healthcare system and it's victims.
Everyone has health problems in America...Our foods are so unnatural and unhealthy....There are too much food preservatives, sugar and fats in our diets...People need to take time to exercise and eat healthy...If Americans took better care of themselves and stop relaying on Doctors and Drugs to cure them...Alternative Medicines and herbs should be allowed into America's health care...People should only turn to western medicines and surgeries only when it's necessary < this will save ever1's $
@usaf317 Who the hell is Karl Marx? The U.S Government is trillions in debt to the Native Americans and it has nothing to do with you freaking cry baby.
@TheNativeHistorian you used the term european "marxism" ...named for karl marx the socialist that developed marxism.
the United States does not owe native Americans trillions of dollars. we either purchased land or took it in battle. i suppose ther were no wars between native Americans before Europeans arrived? my family has been here since 1610 (Henrico Virginia settlement) 400 years! that makes me native to this land.
@usaf317 Many Native Americans want sovereignty on the Reservations...Many biggots think Native American sovereignty means "welfare"...Native American Sovereignty means Native People control their own courts, businesses, organizations, land, education, ect....Feds still control trust land on Reservations and allow white corporations to make billions while the Government collects their cut...Natives have faught over trust land with the Feds and taken back control over much of their land.
The IHS is a big failure...This Government as not honored their treaties made...They have failed the Native People.
ensignbay you are only bringing this up because you are using Native Americans for your political agenda...Why haven't you people brought this up 50 years ago?
@TheNativeHistorian Excuse me, but the mainstream media have a complete black-out on any news that would put the government in a bad light. They believe in big government. I had to dig deep to find out that this big government single-payer healthcare program is a failure.
YOU'VE known about this problem for years -- What have YOU done about it? And by the way, enough with the victim mentality. You are an individual and I'm assuming an adult & are not a victim of the white man or the U.S. govt.
I agree Government should stay the hell out of Tribal affairs all they do is screw everything up.
People like you love to argue with people who don't agree with you, you are very bias.
If you mention Government corruption, than you must also talk about "corporatism".
All people have those problems you speak of in your info section...Excuse me I have done many for my People, You need to stop putting words into people's mouth...lighten up Lady.
@TheNativeHistorian The U.S. govt has bent over backwards to make up for wongs to the Native Americans. It's the single-payer system that is their worst offense to you personally if you live on a reservation. Stop focusing on hating the U.S. govt for wrongs to your ancestors. Focus on the U.S. govt's Native Amer single-payer health system which is here & now doing harm.
Then spread the word that those who put faith in govt to take care of them will almost always be let down.
"The U.S. govt has bent over backwards to make up for wongs to the Native Americans"?...first of all, nothing will make up for the past, the government has made trillions from Native Americans...The Government is in debt to us.
Tribes are working on taking control of the IHS from the Government...Universal Health Care can work better in a smaller Government system while other Tribes want to make Health Care Private...The Tribes will choose their own path.
@TheNativeHistorian we need to do away with these reservations. this is one country like it or not. ..and native Americans do not have the fastest growing economy or population in the world. i have spent time on reservations in arizona and new mexico.......poverty and more poverty
@usaf317 "i have spent time on reservations in arizona and new mexico.......poverty and more poverty"??? first of all you have only spent a few hrs on a few Reservations and there are over 600 Reservations and communities around the Country you racist biggot...I was a wildland firefighter for over 5 yrs and i've seen the poverty in White communities in Texas to many part of the mid west and the south...So don't preach to me about "poverty", BTW, poverty in the White population is increasing.
@usaf317 like it or not, Reservations are in the U.S Constitution as "sovereign nations" with the treaties they signed...Natives are better off controlling their own lives and not dictated by the feds, christianity or people like you...And you are a freaking idiot, Reservations are a sovereign entity like a State and have to follow the U.S Constitution...Natives are filing law suits over rapes of children in the boarding schools, trustland, stolen $ from native business ect.
@usaf317 2002 U.S Census figures for NA >>> 197,300: Number of American Indian and Alaska Native-owned businesses $34.3 billion: Revenues generated by these businesses…6.5% of the nation's 3.0 million minority-owned firms represented by these businesses…$174,100 Average receipts of an American Indian and Alaska Native-owned firm…About 19% of all Native males have served in the military (the highest per-capita).
@TheNativeHistorian look all i am saying is we all need to be Americans now. this is 2011 and we are beset on all sides by forces and people that wish to bring our nation down. if we are not carefull we will all be speaking chinese!
@usaf317 "look all i am saying is we all need to be Americans now." <-- tha fine with me, but as long as you people don't try to destroy our customs, history and heritage and take our land away...Native Americans deserve to be treated and have the same rights as a White...They deserve to be protected just like anyother people in America...Justice needs to be served!!!
You used the word "conquered" meaning through military victory, which is just wrong...first of all Euros wouldn't have conqured the Americas if it wasn't for "disease"...Natives had a population of over 100 million and out numbered Europeans...The larger civilizations rivaled European's largest empires...Europeans took control over the resources after diseasee affected and killed over 80% of the Natives...It was tell after the Natives lost every resources is when Euros raged War.
This is a diverse nation, most people wouldn't be offended and would be happy to become a American...But you keep puslhing your "Agenda" on People they are going to resist and resent people like you...America is a Nation of many cultures, religions, polical parties...You can't get your way all the time so GET USED TO IT!!!
I have Native American DNA which is X2a (which is between 11,000 and 20,000 yrs old) and B2 (Which is 40,000 years old), stop acting like you know who or what Natives are..
@TheNativeHistorian well this is America....so you better get use to it. if people dont want to be an American then they can go to another country. i could care less how old your DNA is. if your people really have been here for 20,000 years then why didnt they have something as simple as the wheel when we arrived?
@usaf317 There was no horse to pull a wheel you idiot...And I don't care when your family arrived on the Shores of America...Shut up...You are a biggot.
The reason Europeans held power is because they collected resources and ideas from all around the world, the upper class Euros were always in a constant state of war and the poor was oppressed and enslaved by the rich (empires and ethnic groups all fighing eachother), most people could not feed themselves, there was many kinds of extremism and this is why Europe was in the dark ages...Europe could not create enough food and they consumed almost every resource..This is Y they created a large Army
@usaf317 Native People created 70% of the world food supply and engineered 2/3 of the world's crops and this led to the world's population explosion and Native American agriculture is probably the most important invention because it as literally saved the world from mass starvation...Natives have created a 1/3 of world's medicines & herbs...Native People also have helped America to the Moon and given key contributions to the develpment of solar power, wireless tech and rockets and so on.
@usaf317 Wow, you are a biggot and very proud of it...Whites did not create 100% of everthing in the world...And you are a man of little words...If you want a all White Nation than go back to Europe because America is not a White Nation...Diverisity all up in your face...Stop responding to me.
@TheNativeHistorian the wheel, automobile, plane, space ship, television, radio....on and on and on. we have invented most everything....and if we didnt invent it i bet we found a way to make it better. i dont see any reason to have an all white nation....but i will not let your racism go unanswered either.
@usa A African man made key contributions to the development of the Internet...A Black man created a steamboat that was adopted during the pioneer days...A mexican man invented the color TV...A Native American Women invented the first fly by space vehicle and keys contributions in the development of rockets and missile defense systems (Google "Inventor Marry Ross") A Native gave key contributions to the development of Wireless Tech (Google "Inventor Thomas David Petite")...The list goes on & on
@TheNativeHistorian Enough with the obsession on race and ethnicity. We are all individual human beings with individual rights. Those rights DO NOT include laying claim on another individual's income.
YOU are demanding your fellow American individuals pay you money simply because you are Native American. This is immoral. Enough.
@ensignbay When did I demand my fellow Americans pay? "individuals" You need to tell that to your fellow Conservatives. Those victims deserve justice for the crimes commited against them (think of it as a follow American getting justice for crimes committed agianst them)...If you don't want groups, parties, races, cultures and religions why are have you mention Native Americans in your info sections?...If you don't want to hear about groups than get rid of Christians, Conservatives, Whites etc.
@ensignbay Liberty does not include invading countries for their resources...America still does that.
If people want to sue the Government than they have that right...They have a right to sue "Corporations" also...Government and Corporate corruption go hand and hand.
@TheNativeHistorian The govt has power to take your money and my money. That's a very real power. Liberals wants more and more power over our private property. What the govt did to your ancestors or mine should not be your framework. It's what it IS doing that's the point. The govt has gone FAR beyond it's limited Constitutionally delegated powers. This means that our individual liberties are diminished. Govt should not encroach on our individual liberties.
"The govt has gone FAR beyond it's limited Constitutionally delegated powers. This means that our individual liberties are diminished. Govt should not encroach on our individual liberties" <<< If you look at Native American complaints against the government, we say the same things...The governments needs to work with Tribes and not dictate us.
"The govt has gone FAR beyond it's limited Constitutionally delegated powers. This means that our individual liberties are diminished. Govt should not encroach on our individual liberties." < My people have been saying that for over 200 years...We have the right to speak just like you do, We are not playing the victim...Native Americans have the fastest growing economy and population in the World...You accuse us of playing the victim...we just speaking for our rights.
@TheNativeHistorian I think it's wonderful, truly, that each of us should embrace and love our heritage and traditions. And while we do that, we MUST stop thinking in terms of "group rights." Group rights rob you of INDIVIDUAL rights. Group rights pit groups against groups. So, as long as you keep thinking in terms of rights belonging to a group instead of every human individual, you will be disappointed. Group rights is a Marxist way of thinking and it robs individuals of their power.
"Marxist"You sure have a interesting way of defining people...Conservatives, Tea Party, Republicans are all Groups of people and they pit other groups against eachother...Before you try to define Native People, it all comes down to the "individual" and what they can do for their community...An individual is responsible for their own health and lifestyle...No matter how you look at it Humans are groups of people, we've evolved into groups...no one does anything by themselves, it's about teamwork.
@TheNativeHistorian what a load of crap. team work? how about you send me some money for my rent then? everything i have i got on my own...i didnt need a team of people.
@usaf317 You are a moron and get offended to easy...Do away with the Reservations??? Do you mean cultural genocide...Do you want more for land for the White Man?
Go google "Iroqious Confedracy influenced the U.S Constitution"...Native American do have the fastest growing economy in the World...Shut the hell up you racist biggot.
@ensignbay You have erroneously claimed that Obama has raised taxes. I have challenged you to name one. When? Where? A single tax. You remain silent. Again. You have been proven wrong. Again. Doesn't this bother you in the slightest? It should. Being on the wrong side of fact and reality (again) is how you Conservatives (a person who is reluctant to accept changes and new ideas) continue to fail. Again.
O bullshit. The idea that it wasn't the plan of Wolfowitz and all the other idiot neo cons in the Bush administration who orchestrated the war is exactly the kind of idiocy that proves my point. Y'all will believe anything that helps you piece together your fictional world view. But you can't tell me red is green and up is down. It's not ancient history to me. I remember it well. Democrats failure to stop the administration from starting an unnecessary war is another thing.
@satidog See snopes(dot) com/politics/war/wmdquotes (dot) asp, article entitled "Words of Mass Destruction."
On the subject of healthcare: Check out the data I have put together in the info section of this video detailing why more government intervention in healthcare is a disaster and will lead to rationing and poorer care and long wait times.
@ensignbay You guys don't really believe your own bs, do you? It seems like just some goofy game where you parrot whatever the twits on FOX are saying so you can sound angry and righteous. It's all so fucking stupid. Years ago I argued with right wingers about why I thought going into Iraq was stupid and Saddam wasn't a threat etc. They all swore at me claimed I hated my country. They were all wrong as hell. Yet y'all haven't changed your tune one bit. Trying to reason with wingnuts is nuts.
@satidog Ousting Saddam was made the law of the land by Bill Clinton at the urging of Pelosi, John Kerry, Kennedy, and Albright. And now, 25 million Iraqis are free to determine their own fates free from a murderous dictator.
Every major international intelligence agency thought Saddam currently had WMD. So it wasn't just "Conservatives."
And Obamacare is already causing increased insurance costs and, as happened at the state level with O-care style policies, will cause rationing.
@ensignbay "ousting Saddam" was not what any of them voted for either. Giving the president authority to do a thing while being told it would only be done if necessary isn't the same thing as 'urging.' You put it as though Bush was pushed into Iraq by Democrats! Like I said, reasoning with wingnuts is nuts. It's just depressing that more of the country doesn't pay enough attentions to see how fucking stupid and wrong you are.
Do you realize how cold and heartless it is to say that because granny (who couldn't afford private health care for her hip replacement in the first place if there was no Fed Medicare system for ANYBODY)
a 5 year old with a broken arm can't get access to a doctor,or a 30 year old dad dies of a heart attack because he can't afford medical attention or a young woman can't go to a hospital to for pneumonia and suffers FOR WHAT?!? DEAL WITH REALITY! THERE IS A BIGGER PICTURE!
@TruthinessDotCom No one by law gets denied treatment in the U.S. Hospitals are going bankrupt all the time because they treat people who can't pay. Pharmaceutical companies give away their meds to the needy.
Check out the article listed in the info section under my video above called "The Deadly Pact". It's proof that Obamacare mandates withholding life-extending treatment from the elderly to safe costs.
I agree with Thomas the Gov must fix IHS they promised with treaties...The IHS is very basic health care, Native Americans want something better they must create something better...There are Tribes that have their own health care and clinics.
I don't care about all these Left and Right BS, its tearing America apart...Rush Limbaugh called Native Americans Clowns...Rush hates anyone who does not view his political agenda.
@Thomas3901 It is Obama who is divisive: Obama has:
--mocked tea party protesters and called them "domestic terrorists",
--wrongly accused doctors of doing unnecessary amputations for money,
--claimed the Cambridge police "acted stupidly",
--called Arizonians "irresponsible",
--called rural Americans "bitter clingers",
--villified insurance companies and Wall Street (as if the federal govt isn't run in such away that Congress would be in jail if done in the private sector), etc.
@Thomas3901 Yes, my anger is justified -- you are ungrateful and you are not that bright if you think giving the govt more unconstitutional power will help you. Name one program the govt has succeeded in running. And by success, I mean meeting it's original purposes and staying within or near it's original budget. If a private business were run like federal programs, it would be out of business long ago.
@ensignbay I left some comments on your Channel to tell you what I think, it is a typical view of a Independent...I'll leave you alone and you can delete my comments if you want it's your channel...Your comments you made in your info sections about our health is a sterotype.
@ensignbay once again you can point to the Christian ran and Government run Boarding School Abuse and People not taking care of themselves and Whites have them issues to.
ensign is stereo typing us...We are not all sick or dying you idiot...Typical right wing talking points, like you give a damn about us...Getting all political and using us to push your political agenda.
@Thomas3901 What are you talking about? The Native American Health System? It is a fact that our govt, running a single payer system on the reservations, is failing. There are longer wait times, rationing, aging facilities, and a doctor shortage. I've provided the source report in the info section of this video.
We know about IHS and it's Problems...The Gov must improve IHS...Native Health System was promised to all Native American Nations (Treaties) in exchange for all the land lost to White People, 25 million killed, 50 million dealths from European diseases...Natives were very healthy and lived a clean and herbal medicine society before Whites invaded.
@Thomas3901 So you want that same govt to have more power? I think that's called "crazy." By the way, Native Americans warred with and killed each other and are now benefitting from all the medical and technical advances made by the U.S. over the last century. So enough with your hate-America victimhood.
Yup some Tribes faught eachother, it was the Colonist, Government, radical Christians, Hate groups and disease that reduced our population to around 10 million today...European Colonist and early Americans all faught and killed eachother for this Land.
Many of todays food, food ingredients, herbs, crops and medicines came from Indigenous People of the Americas...My Ancestors showed yours how to farm and survive and taught them about North America.
The U.S Constitution was heavily influenced by the Iroquois Conderation Articles...Ben Franklin visted with the chiefs of the Six Nations in mid 1700s and got many ideals from the Iroquois...Womens rights, voting from the People, equal rights(all men are created equal), the eagle symbol and other symbols and a central Government over the states...Congress was modified after the Iroquois voting structure...In 1986 congress gave the Iroquois the reognition of contribution to the U.S constitution.
I don´t know what your probs are. Here in Germany, no one has to be afraid that he or she is gonna die, or not treated well because he or she doesn´t have a health insurance. Obama is doing exactly the right thing with that. Many people claim that to be socialism but THAT IS NOT TRUE. Those people simply don´t get the difference between socialism and social democracy. A government has to make sure, that its citizens are getting the needed health care, and THIS is the first real attempt!
@Robbe19 Your healthcare system, as new as it is, is already costing too much and needing revision. When you pool money, it is misspent and wasted. People spend their own money more wisely than others. Socialized systems disregard this basic fact of human nature. And when money is wasted, rationing occurs.
@ensignbay Well, at least we have the money, cause we aren´t spending that much on making war, so that we CAN offer every citizen a good health care. Human nature? This system has been working for a long time now, and will continue to work. The only problem that is connected to social economy is the money, that is being wasted for unemployed morons, who simply don´t want to work. The health system is fine here, and no one in Germany wants a "human" system, as it is in the US, trust me!
@Robbe19 The U.S. doesn't "make war." We defend the world from totalitarianism and islamic fascism. I believe it was US who saved you from Hitler, thank you very much. Our strong military enables Europe to spend money on big social programs instead of on necessary military power.
It is radical islam that "makes war." And the "unemployed morons" are enabled by lack of need to work. THAT is human nature. When people feel coddled by social programs, many will choose to take advantage of it.
@ensignbay Well, actually the Soviets and the Brits saved the world from Hitler, while you joined WW2 only in 1944, when it was already clear, that the allied forces would win. It makes me smile, when Americans say, that they WON WW2. Why didn´t you join in 1940 already?! Don´t get me wrong, I would never dishonour those American Soldiers, who gave their lives to fight Nazi Germany, but most of the work was done by the soviets and the brits.
@Robbe19 So that's what they teach over there in Europe, huh? I don't know that "most of the work" was winning the war. That's cute that you think Europe was succeeding at conquering Hitler on it's own and we weren't really needed.
But back to the topic at hand, human nature is human nature. When people get money/benefits they themselves did not earn through their own work, they waste and misuse funds. That's why your system is having to undergo changes because you are running out of $.
@ensignbay Well, for the first 3 to 4 years of the war, you were sending tons of weapons to british and Soviet soldiers for free, which were needed of course and had a great effect on how the war turned out till 1944, but the fact is, that there were British and Soviet soldiers who got the job done. You joined in 1944 to make sure that you would get a piece of the cake as well. Plus, at the moment, our system is recovering from the crisis, that your "human-nature" capitalism brought us.
@Robbe19 That we did not get into the WWII earlier is a shame. But the fact is, Hitler was well on his way to conquering all of Europe. Without our support, he would have succeeded.
And thanks to Ronald Reagan's brilliant multi-faceted strategem, we also toppled the Soviet Union, which lead to the fall of the Berlin Wall.
You've got no legs to stand on. You Europeans hate that you have the U.S. to thank for saving you twice. And we'll do it again if needed.
@ensignbay All of Europe?! When you joined the war in 1944, Hitlers Africa Corps was already defeated by the British Commonwealth, the Soviets were pushing the nazis back to the German borders and the Wehrmacht was only a shadow of what it was at the beginning of the war. Do not forget, that Soviets and Brits managed all of that without ONE single American Soldier. And by talking about the Europeans...you saved the French maybe, cause they were defeated in WW2 in some weeks, but that´s it.
@Robbe19 Your country was the epicenter of Hitler. You yourself admit that we sent needed weapons to fight Hitler. You can dilude yourself into thinking that Europe had Hitler's murderous rampage under control, but you are simply that: delusional. I suppose you also had things under control when the Soviet Union divided your country and imprisoned half your country behind the Iron Curtain.
@ensignbay You send wepons, but not soldiers, let French, British and Soviet soldiers die instead of acting yourself, and THIS IS A HISTORICAL FACT. And what is ALSO a historical fact, is that when you joined the war, the German Wehrmacht was already retreating on all fronts, except for France of course. In 1944, it was clear, that the Germany was about to surrender, with, or without the help of the US. And the comparison with the post war situation is absolutely off topic and stupid.
@Robbe19 And how dare you say we don't send soldiers. I believe that 10s of thousands of our soldiers have died to free you and other countries from totaliarian regimes. How many German troups have died protecting the U.S.?
@ensignbay Stop generalizing all of this. Mixing up different historical events, making up one general truth for everything. The fact is, that in WW2, you did NOT send US troops before 1944. POINT. Plus, what should we protect you from?! Do one, except for the Brits or the Japanese ever attacked your country. Of course we could not help you in WW2, as we were NAZIS as you may remember. But I guess 9/11 is attack on the US for ya. You have killed much more civilians than died in the towers!
@ensignbay And in WW1, the Russians lost to the Germans, due to the fact, that Lenin was starting his revolution, but the Germans could not advance on the western front, and had to give up. I don´t see, how the US has saved Europe from anythingin WW1, sir. And as I said, you joined WW2 when it was almost over, when the Soviets had destroyed the best German Tank division at the battle of Kursk, pushed them out of Stalingrad and were continuing towards Berlin.
@Robbe19 It's ironic that, in our conversation, you first accused the U.S. of "making war" and also criticized us of not helping out in WWII soon enough. So which is it--making war or defending free peoples against tyranny? I guess it's the latter when it concerns protecting you in Germany against tyranny, but the former if it concerns protecting ourselves in the U.S. against tyranny.
@ensignbay Oh I did say that you had to join earlier. But if you compare WW2 with your post cold war "Democracy" Wars, you are simply stupid. The motives are different. Your government tells its people, that you invaded the Iraq to establish democracy, and good, patriotic soldiers give their live to maintain the US´s oil needs. If you really wanted to help people, there would be different ways, but you always bomb countries, to bring them peace and democracy as you say.
@Robbe19 It boils down to: If we are protecting you, we should fight. If we aren't, then we are "making war."
You are parroting the standard anti-American lines about oil etc. BTW, why is protecting the fuel that drives the engine of ALL our economies such a bad thing? Do YOU use anything that has been created or moved thanks to oil? YES. You are a hypocrite.
And we bomb countries that threaten us. Iraq and Afghanistan both posed threats to us and 17 UN resolutions against Iraq support that.
@ensignbay Oil is still availeable. The point is, that YOU want to be in control of it, thus, having the possibility to play the world police, as you have done since WW2. Iraq threatened you?! Where are the weapons of mass destruction?! Have you found them already?! Afghanistan? Kill the terrorists, let Afghanistan alone. Why didn´t you capture Bin Laden? Because you couldn´t? You didn´t want to. You are searching for explanations to make war.
@Robbe19 Hey genius, if the United States wanted to be in control of all oil, we have the power to do so. Uh and yes, Husein gave safe haven to terrorists that threatened the U.S., and the entire world thought he was developing WMD. Even Germany did.
Bottom line: The U.S. is not going to take foreign policy or national security advice from a country (Germany) that in the last century produced a dictator extermined millions of Jews and which allowed itself to be conqured by Russia.
@ensignbay Germany believed it?! Your special services confirmed, that there were weapons of mass destruction, so maybe we should not believe you SHIT in future. All your crusades for democracy in the post cold war period are based on lies, FACE it! Germany took responsibility for the Holocaust, but you still talk about Germany as about the Third Reich, maybe I should talk about America as the country, that killed thousands of native indians and slaved even more blacks. This leads to nothing!
@ensignbay And of course you would have the power to get in control of all the oil. The problem is, your reputation as the good guy in the world, in which no one except for you really believes. So you are doing it the intelligent way. Let us look for eastern europe. You try to take almost every ex-soviet anti-russian country into the NATO. Why?Wouldn´t Russia be the better choice? It still has the most powerful military in that region. Or do you have other plans for mother Russia?!
@ensignbay What was that about Georgia? Who trained them, sold them weapons and then let them fight a battle they could not win, in order to ruin Russia´s already not so good reputation. Your news channels were working precisely, as if they got the needed info even before the first missile was launched by the Georgian artillery. Your government is doing a LOOOOOOOT of shit in the world right now. Not as much as Hitler did, but still enough.
@Robbe19 By the way, who was it that allowed Hitler to rise? Germany. Who was it that allowed Hitler to conquer much of Europe? Germany and Europe. So, again, I'd say the U.S. has a better foreign policy and national security record than Germany does. You would do well to study what we have done and what we do.
@ensignbay You, my friend, have half - knowledge of German history. All the totalitarian regimes in history have risen because of deficites in the financial situation of a country. That´s why Hitler got so popular, why Lenin could start his revolution, why there are revolutions in Africa almost every few years. And trust me, when your economy will (hopefully not) lie on the ground, and your citizens will suffer from hunger, you will have your own Hitler, or even someone worse.
@ensignbay Your government, just right after WW2, started to re-establish western Germanys economy, cause it knew, that communism or national socialism is only interesting for people, who don´t have a job and enough money to live. There is no Americans or Germans in terms of democracy. There is money and no money. You are not better as the Germans, as well as they are not better than you!
@Robbe19 By the way, who was it that allowed Hitler to rise? Germany. Who was it that allowed Hitler to conquer much of Europe? Germany and Europe. So, again, I'd say the U.S. has a better foreign policy and national security record than Germany does. You would do well to study what we have done and what we do.
I know most People in America don't want to donate or give up taxes for universal health care...The private health care, drug companies and the Gov must allow alternative medicines for the low income and unemployed so they would get access to some type of care...They want to opress alternative medicines, most of it is harmless...This Capitalist society only benefits 1/2 the Population, it creates class and the others are left out...This is neo Capitalism, you need Capitalism with regulations.
I never said Americans are mean or selfish...America is learning from the Past.
"You point out some health issues of Natives", those healh issues can be found in any race...I don't won't Government or the Private Sector telling me how to life my lifestyle...It's up to the Individual to take care of themselves...People can heal themselves with "Alternative Medicines" we don't always need "Drugs"...60% of Americans are over weight it comes from every race.
Why don't the Government allow alternative medicines in the mix...The Governments and Drug Companies work together to force us into their systems, it's only for profits, not to take of the People...They did science experiments on my People.
You can point the issues of Natives to the Boarding School Abuse 1880-1980, Opression and Tragic History...Why you bringing our issues up now, your just gettin Politcal, Maybe Obama wants to fix the IHS...IHS is there for the Treaties made before 1900...We have our issues with IHS and the Gov too...There are rich Tribes/Middle Class Native Americans operating their own Clinics and/or have their own Insurance and look else where other than IHS..The unemployed and low income cant afford Insurance.
The point is that the U.S. govt provided a single-payer healthcare system on Native American reservations. If the govt is capable of running a healthcare system, why are there still privately owned clinics?
The answer is that govt is NOT capable of running in any way healthcare or insurance and has failed to adequately do so running medicare & medicaid, and the NAHS (IHS).
Too bad Grayson didnt see this youtube clip before he said the republicans want you to die. Search Robert Reich: What An Honest President Would Say About Health Reform .. if you are very old were not going to give you all that technology and all those drugs for the last couple of yrs of your life to keep you going for another couple of months. Its too expensive so we are going to let you die. Robert Reich. Mr Grayson, this video should make you feel warm and fuzzy. Enjoy
Google the wall street journal editorial: The Worst Bill Ever. Read it word for word to your congressman. Read it very slowly and carefully to Alan Grayson.
5For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. Genesis 3:5
This type of government believe that " they are God" ( Abortion , Euthasia , assisted suicide, cloning, etc).They take God out of the State to take his place
Every time I hear this video of this Obama yahoo saying, maybe they'd be better off without the operation and better off with the pain pill, it sends me into state of disbelief. Someone tell me again how this liar got elected again?
Free healthcare means nothing if it's rationed (it is in Canada and Britain) and results in higher cancer mortality rates (Canadians and Britains are dying at higher rates than we are).
Ty, I was not sure where he was going with that? This healthcare crapola will cost us trillions after they factor in all of the bills. Funny how these Obamabots keep pointing to frikin Canada as an example.
You're just upset that Canadians and British people don't have to pay to go and get surgery, and that's all I'm saying, because you're too big of a dumb ass to realize that it's important
But the prostate cancer figure doesn't mean quite what it seems to mean. It compares 5 year survival rates from time of diagnosis. But the Brits diagnose prostate cancer later, because they don't use PSA tests. So the disease has progressed further at diagnosis, and comparing 5 year survival is an apples-to-oranges comparison.
Prostate cancer (like breast cancer), is "only" about 1.9x as deadly in the UK as in the USA. See:
Thanks for the heads up. It's important to get to the truth.
The bottom line, as stated at that link is still: "it is safe to say that both breast cancer and prostate cancer have much higher fatality rates in the UK than in the US."
Ruby150, you are dense enough to absorb light. What do you think the 65% taxes they pay goes to? Everyone pays you dumbass!! Not everyone uses it, but everyone pays.!
Well said! In Canada and Europe, everyone pays exorbitant taxes. Everything is taxed. Their prices for gasoline and other goods and services are extremely high. Their standard of living is also lower than ours.
I really wish that people from other countries would just stfu. They always want to make themselves out to be of such a higher caliber than Americans and then have the nerve to call us arrogant or say we meddle. I'm really sick of it! When we want your opinion we'll fucking beat it out of ya. Until then...STFU!!
As a Canadian watching this debate my mind boggles at some of the arguments used against socialized health care. Perhaps its a difference in Canadian values versus American ones that I believe that health care is a basic human right, much like access to safe drinking water. I would like to point out that health care is far more rationed in America, where insurance companies deny coverage to the sick and poor, than in Canada.
ACCESS to healthcare is different than free healthcare. You liken it to ACCESS to water. In the U.S. everyon gets treated with or without insurance.
If Canadian healthcare is so great, why do Canadians flood OUR hospitals for treatment? Socialized healthcare ALWAYS results in rationing & lower quality care. Keep reading the evidence I've provided.
Canadian headlines: --Surgery postponed indefinitely for 1,000 Kelowna patients --Majority of Que. dentists quit health-care system --Why Ontario keeps sending patients south --Will Socialized Health Care in the US Kill Canadians? Canadian mortality rates higher than U.S.: Breast cancer mortality 9% higher Prostate cancer mortality 184% higher Male colon cancer mortality 10% higher Google: 10 Surprising Facts about American Health Care Prostate cancer mortality
The Canadian system is basically just social insurance. If you can't afford food we pay for your food. Treatment? We pay for that too. In the states you have a huge chunk of the population ( something like 30-45 million) that doesn't meet any criteria for government health support, let alone private insurance. Are they all going to emerge for radiation? To say that everyone gets treated with or without insurance is just silly. That is a far worse form of health care rationing.
Canadians aren't flooding American hospitals, at least not ordinary Canadians. Because your country is 10 times the size of ours you have far more facilities that are at the cutting edge in cancer treatment etc. Its those places that wealthy Canadians can go to for better treatment. Average Canadians (and Americans) are out of luck. Its amazing really that we can go to you for the most advanced treatment options while your own uninsured citizens go without.
So yeah if you guys get a single payer system (we don't have socialized health care in Canada) it probably will kill a few rich Canadians if it means you don't let them cut in line ; )
I came to this with an open mind because you provided so many facts backed up by references. But, and this is not an exaggeration, the very first referenced fact I checked (Medicare/Medicaid lose $60 billion annually to fraud) was simply a LIE. The website clearly states that it is the entire health care system, including private insurance companies, that loses $60 billion dollars in fraud every year. You should have written THE EVIDENCE in quotes.
Regardless of whether your facts are right I wasn't wrong: your reference didn't back up your claim. Oddly, your new reference doesn't mention a $60 billion figure at all (although a clip next to it seems to). Anyway forget that.
The MSNBC article does mention that medicare is defrauded of $60 billion a year. Imagine the same govt which runs medicare running a larger program. How much more of our tax money will fall into the wrong hands.
Did it ever occur to you that its dishonest businesses, over billing Medicare that are the ones committing the "fraud". The fraud is found by Medicare when they audit. Blaming Medicare for fraud is like blaming the victim for crime. The idea that we need to give fraudsters more control is propaganda coming from dishonest businesses that don't give a rats ass about you.
That is a ludicrous statement. Would you say that about a private insurance company that lost this much $ to fraud?
Companies or the govt are either competent or they aren't. The govt has proven that is cannot wisely or safely manage our $.
Would you consider a bank a "victim" and guiltless who year after year lost your money to fraud? Companies work very hard to limit fraud and do much better, MUCH BETTER, than the govt which has proven to be completely inept.
Do some research before forming an opinion: Medicare's fraud problem is due to their poor management.
What evidence do you have that insurance cos are "defrauding" in the same sense that Medicare is defrauded? You don't like that insurance cos make a profit, but that is NOT "defrauding" because we willingly purchase insurance and there are over 1,100 ins co in this country..
If you have evidence that your insurance co is defrauding their insured, you should bring that to the authorities.
Being paid for services rendered is fitting and proper.
But, a system that misrepresents itself as fair, misrepresents itself as efficient, as the only viable system, misrepresents the motivation of those that seek only to provide affordable health care for their fellow man...all while making a profit off the misery of others..is committing FRAUD on the American people on a massive scale.
Ensign..i say this with complete sincerity...you are an advocate for the dark side.
The "dark side" is giving govt more unconstitutional power over our lives. You have a bizarre willful blindspot when it comes to govt.
--There are HUNDREDS of good insurance cos in this nation. Most of the nation are happy with their coverage.
--I've proven that govt flagrantly misuses our hard-earned tax $. You don't seem to care.
--I've proven that the U.S. govt Native American Healthcare system delivers rationed and poor care. Yet, you think more govt involvement is charitable.
"The forecast for this year is that there will be 1.4 million to 1.5 million total bankruptcy filings. Our data say 62 percent of those will be medical. That works out to around 900,000 cases, and each one affects about 2.7 people. That makes roughly 2.4 million people who will suffer from new medical bankruptcy filings in 2009 alone."
-Dr. David Himmelstein, Associate Professor of Medicine Harvard Medical School
(1) If you really cared for these people, you would not want them subject to the same govt that rations care to Native Americas and provides them sub-par healthcare.
(2) Govt involvement in healthcare always leads to healthcare rationing. I've provided evidence.
(3) I think you don't want free market solutions that allow you to keep more of your own $ to pay for healthcare because fundamentally, you want other people's $. You couch your arguments in "charity", but really you are greedy.
You're joking right? The majority of Americans are happy with their insurance providers because of the service the co's provide in paying for treatments. It's not a perfect system. You and I both agree on that. But more govt is not the solution.
What IS the solution is includes tort reform to immediately lower costs, and rescinding the law that makes it illegal for us to buy insurance across state lines.
Go back and look at the single payer Countries--they have WORSE problems than we do.
"The forecast for this year is that there will be 1.4 million to 1.5 million total bankruptcy filings. Our data say 62 percent of those will be medical. That works out to around 900,000 cases, and each one affects about 2.7 people. That makes roughly 2.4 million people who will suffer from new medical bankruptcy filings in 2009 alone."
-Dr. David Himmelstein, Associate Professor of Medicine Harvard Medical School
Changing our entire healthcare system--enhancing the power of the federal government over 300 million U.S. citizens--is NOT the answer.
Don't you think that the $1 billion the govt loses to Medicaid fraud each year could solve the problems of these 2.4 million people? How about the $1 billion the Postal Service lost to mismanagement this year alone--could that money have helped these people?
You should be outraged at our federal govt's inability to manage our hard-earned tax dollars.
ensign- "1 billion the govt. loses to Medicaid fraud"
Did it occur to you that its not the government committing the fraud?...it is your precious "for-profit" health care industry that has the lack of moral character to bill the government appropriately for services that our seniors need. And its government audits that discover the fraud,
Are you speaking of the denial of treatment to the elderly by our very own government? The govt that can't manage Native American heathcare without rationing treatments, and can't manage medicare without denying treatment and losing billions of our dollars each your to over-payments and fraud?
I got to tell you, with all the documentation I've provided, I think that those who put their trust in the power of govt are in denial. The majority of people are happy with their private insurance.
(1) Those are just 2 examples of the many billions our govt loses EACH YEAR to waste, mismanagement, & fraud. Check out the video I made documenting it.
(2) You don't like people making more $ than you. You hate that insurance co's make a profit. You covet wealth that you did not earn.
(3) Where is your sympathy for the Native Americans who have U.S. govt-run healthcare & get denied treatment, & receive poor care from our very own govt?
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"America's health care system is second only to Japan, Canada, Sweden, Great Britain, well...all of Europe. But you can thank your lucky stars we don't live in Paraguay!"
Charlie12241 3 weeks ago
You hae no idea how the wheel came into play in world's society don't you? First of all, it was the Horse that give people in the Eastern Hemishpere the idea of the Wheel...From Wagons and chariots to the arrival of the automobile, thats what they mean when they say "horse power"...Natives did have the wheel, it was used on wheel barrels and toys, but they didn't have the horse to start a wheel revolution.
TheNativeHistorian 6 months ago
2007 U.S Census studies: there are over 237,000 Native American businesses and it is expected to be over 300,000 by 2011 Census Studies.
Basicaly what they are saying is that Native Americans today generate over 60 billions in net profits and pay billions of dollars in taxes...The census has only counted half the Native population and has under counted Native business numbers...And Natives have given key contributions to the development of the U.S - Want more facts usaf317?
TheNativeHistorian 6 months ago
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On the state and local government levels, tribal communities contribute $246 million in tax revenues annually, and the combined purchases of goods from reservations total $5.5 billion on an annual basis.
TheNativeHistorian 6 months ago
Business Marketing Website: "Native Americans are expected to see their buying power jump from $47.7 billion in 2004 to $65.6 billion in 2009"…2002 Census: “Tribal businesses have contributed to $10 billion in wage and salary income to the United States. This has generated between $4-6 billion in federal tax revenue annually”
TheNativeHistorian 6 months ago
im 18 years old and have a rare chronic illness. Im scared for my life.My life is in the governments hands. Last time i checked, you arent a doctor. Im not a number, statistic,burden, I AM A PERSON! if you cant judge on spirit and quality of life, what the hell gives you the right to determine whether i should live or die because you wont give me the treatment i need to survive.
weenz05 6 months ago
Obama used it in the health care bill. It was used in the health care law. What is Obamas doing to R country. Dhimmitude, Never heard the word Till now. Google it, It's on page 107 of the healthcare bill. It is a REAL word. Dhimmitude Dhimmitude: the Muslim system of controlling non-muslim populations conquered through jihad. It is the TAXING of non-muslims in exchange for tolerating their presence AND as a coercive means of converting conquered remnants to Islam.
onstageagain 9 months ago
You use "Native Americans" in your info section to prove a point...You are using a "group" of people and putting us in one category...I thought you believed in the "individual".
It was a Native American democracy that influenced the U.S Constitution and helped the U.S overcome European "marxism".
TheNativeHistorian 10 months ago
@TheNativeHistorian The one U.S. single-payer healthcare system for Native Americans is called the "Indian Health System". The U.S. is providing failing healthcare to a single group of people, therefore, it is appropriate to refer to that healthcare system and it's victims.
ensignbay 10 months ago
Everyone has health problems in America...Our foods are so unnatural and unhealthy....There are too much food preservatives, sugar and fats in our diets...People need to take time to exercise and eat healthy...If Americans took better care of themselves and stop relaying on Doctors and Drugs to cure them...Alternative Medicines and herbs should be allowed into America's health care...People should only turn to western medicines and surgeries only when it's necessary < this will save ever1's $
TheNativeHistorian 10 months ago
@TheNativeHistorian you moron Karl Marx wasn't even born until 1818!! the United States constitution was adopted in 1787!!
usaf317 6 months ago
@usaf317 Who the hell is Karl Marx? The U.S Government is trillions in debt to the Native Americans and it has nothing to do with you freaking cry baby.
TheNativeHistorian 6 months ago
@TheNativeHistorian you used the term european "marxism" ...named for karl marx the socialist that developed marxism.
the United States does not owe native Americans trillions of dollars. we either purchased land or took it in battle. i suppose ther were no wars between native Americans before Europeans arrived? my family has been here since 1610 (Henrico Virginia settlement) 400 years! that makes me native to this land.
usaf317 6 months ago
@usaf317 Many Native Americans want sovereignty on the Reservations...Many biggots think Native American sovereignty means "welfare"...Native American Sovereignty means Native People control their own courts, businesses, organizations, land, education, ect....Feds still control trust land on Reservations and allow white corporations to make billions while the Government collects their cut...Natives have faught over trust land with the Feds and taken back control over much of their land.
TheNativeHistorian 6 months ago
The IHS is a big failure...This Government as not honored their treaties made...They have failed the Native People.
ensignbay you are only bringing this up because you are using Native Americans for your political agenda...Why haven't you people brought this up 50 years ago?
TheNativeHistorian 11 months ago
@TheNativeHistorian Excuse me, but the mainstream media have a complete black-out on any news that would put the government in a bad light. They believe in big government. I had to dig deep to find out that this big government single-payer healthcare program is a failure.
YOU'VE known about this problem for years -- What have YOU done about it? And by the way, enough with the victim mentality. You are an individual and I'm assuming an adult & are not a victim of the white man or the U.S. govt.
ensignbay 10 months ago
Victim mentality? explain to me by that?
I agree Government should stay the hell out of Tribal affairs all they do is screw everything up.
People like you love to argue with people who don't agree with you, you are very bias.
If you mention Government corruption, than you must also talk about "corporatism".
All people have those problems you speak of in your info section...Excuse me I have done many for my People, You need to stop putting words into people's mouth...lighten up Lady.
TheNativeHistorian 10 months ago
@TheNativeHistorian The U.S. govt has bent over backwards to make up for wongs to the Native Americans. It's the single-payer system that is their worst offense to you personally if you live on a reservation. Stop focusing on hating the U.S. govt for wrongs to your ancestors. Focus on the U.S. govt's Native Amer single-payer health system which is here & now doing harm.
Then spread the word that those who put faith in govt to take care of them will almost always be let down.
ensignbay 10 months ago
"The U.S. govt has bent over backwards to make up for wongs to the Native Americans"?...first of all, nothing will make up for the past, the government has made trillions from Native Americans...The Government is in debt to us.
Tribes are working on taking control of the IHS from the Government...Universal Health Care can work better in a smaller Government system while other Tribes want to make Health Care Private...The Tribes will choose their own path.
TheNativeHistorian 10 months ago
@TheNativeHistorian we need to do away with these reservations. this is one country like it or not. ..and native Americans do not have the fastest growing economy or population in the world. i have spent time on reservations in arizona and new mexico.......poverty and more poverty
usaf317 6 months ago
@usaf317 "i have spent time on reservations in arizona and new mexico.......poverty and more poverty"??? first of all you have only spent a few hrs on a few Reservations and there are over 600 Reservations and communities around the Country you racist biggot...I was a wildland firefighter for over 5 yrs and i've seen the poverty in White communities in Texas to many part of the mid west and the south...So don't preach to me about "poverty", BTW, poverty in the White population is increasing.
TheNativeHistorian 6 months ago
@usaf317 like it or not, Reservations are in the U.S Constitution as "sovereign nations" with the treaties they signed...Natives are better off controlling their own lives and not dictated by the feds, christianity or people like you...And you are a freaking idiot, Reservations are a sovereign entity like a State and have to follow the U.S Constitution...Natives are filing law suits over rapes of children in the boarding schools, trustland, stolen $ from native business ect.
TheNativeHistorian 6 months ago
@usaf317 2002 U.S Census figures for NA >>> 197,300: Number of American Indian and Alaska Native-owned businesses $34.3 billion: Revenues generated by these businesses…6.5% of the nation's 3.0 million minority-owned firms represented by these businesses…$174,100 Average receipts of an American Indian and Alaska Native-owned firm…About 19% of all Native males have served in the military (the highest per-capita).
TheNativeHistorian 6 months ago
@TheNativeHistorian look all i am saying is we all need to be Americans now. this is 2011 and we are beset on all sides by forces and people that wish to bring our nation down. if we are not carefull we will all be speaking chinese!
usaf317 6 months ago
@usaf317 "look all i am saying is we all need to be Americans now." <-- tha fine with me, but as long as you people don't try to destroy our customs, history and heritage and take our land away...Native Americans deserve to be treated and have the same rights as a White...They deserve to be protected just like anyother people in America...Justice needs to be served!!!
TheNativeHistorian 6 months ago
You used the word "conquered" meaning through military victory, which is just wrong...first of all Euros wouldn't have conqured the Americas if it wasn't for "disease"...Natives had a population of over 100 million and out numbered Europeans...The larger civilizations rivaled European's largest empires...Europeans took control over the resources after diseasee affected and killed over 80% of the Natives...It was tell after the Natives lost every resources is when Euros raged War.
TheNativeHistorian 6 months ago
This is a diverse nation, most people wouldn't be offended and would be happy to become a American...But you keep puslhing your "Agenda" on People they are going to resist and resent people like you...America is a Nation of many cultures, religions, polical parties...You can't get your way all the time so GET USED TO IT!!!
I have Native American DNA which is X2a (which is between 11,000 and 20,000 yrs old) and B2 (Which is 40,000 years old), stop acting like you know who or what Natives are..
TheNativeHistorian 6 months ago
@TheNativeHistorian well this is America....so you better get use to it. if people dont want to be an American then they can go to another country. i could care less how old your DNA is. if your people really have been here for 20,000 years then why didnt they have something as simple as the wheel when we arrived?
usaf317 6 months ago
@usaf317 There was no horse to pull a wheel you idiot...And I don't care when your family arrived on the Shores of America...Shut up...You are a biggot.
TheNativeHistorian 6 months ago
@TheNativeHistorian you dont need a horse to pull a wheel. i am a biggot? you are too
usaf317 6 months ago
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TheNativeHistorian 6 months ago
So everyone must act like a conservative White Man such as yourself...Get over yourself.
TheNativeHistorian 6 months ago
@TheNativeHistorian well, ther is a reason we have held power around the world for hundreds of years. just sayin
usaf317 6 months ago
The reason Europeans held power is because they collected resources and ideas from all around the world, the upper class Euros were always in a constant state of war and the poor was oppressed and enslaved by the rich (empires and ethnic groups all fighing eachother), most people could not feed themselves, there was many kinds of extremism and this is why Europe was in the dark ages...Europe could not create enough food and they consumed almost every resource..This is Y they created a large Army
TheNativeHistorian 6 months ago
@usaf317 Native People created 70% of the world food supply and engineered 2/3 of the world's crops and this led to the world's population explosion and Native American agriculture is probably the most important invention because it as literally saved the world from mass starvation...Natives have created a 1/3 of world's medicines & herbs...Native People also have helped America to the Moon and given key contributions to the develpment of solar power, wireless tech and rockets and so on.
TheNativeHistorian 6 months ago
@TheNativeHistorian sure. ok. you can go back to carving a canoe out of a log
usaf317 6 months ago
@usaf317 Wow, you are a biggot and very proud of it...Whites did not create 100% of everthing in the world...And you are a man of little words...If you want a all White Nation than go back to Europe because America is not a White Nation...Diverisity all up in your face...Stop responding to me.
TheNativeHistorian 6 months ago
@TheNativeHistorian the wheel, automobile, plane, space ship, television, radio....on and on and on. we have invented most everything....and if we didnt invent it i bet we found a way to make it better. i dont see any reason to have an all white nation....but i will not let your racism go unanswered either.
usaf317 6 months ago
@usa A African man made key contributions to the development of the Internet...A Black man created a steamboat that was adopted during the pioneer days...A mexican man invented the color TV...A Native American Women invented the first fly by space vehicle and keys contributions in the development of rockets and missile defense systems (Google "Inventor Marry Ross") A Native gave key contributions to the development of Wireless Tech (Google "Inventor Thomas David Petite")...The list goes on & on
TheNativeHistorian 6 months ago
@TheNativeHistorian Enough with the obsession on race and ethnicity. We are all individual human beings with individual rights. Those rights DO NOT include laying claim on another individual's income.
YOU are demanding your fellow American individuals pay you money simply because you are Native American. This is immoral. Enough.
ensignbay 6 months ago
@ensignbay When did I demand my fellow Americans pay? "individuals" You need to tell that to your fellow Conservatives. Those victims deserve justice for the crimes commited against them (think of it as a follow American getting justice for crimes committed agianst them)...If you don't want groups, parties, races, cultures and religions why are have you mention Native Americans in your info sections?...If you don't want to hear about groups than get rid of Christians, Conservatives, Whites etc.
TheNativeHistorian 6 months ago
@ensignbay Liberty does not include invading countries for their resources...America still does that.
If people want to sue the Government than they have that right...They have a right to sue "Corporations" also...Government and Corporate corruption go hand and hand.
TheNativeHistorian 6 months ago
@TheNativeHistorian wow you afre so "smart" ...look all that up on wikipedia did you? what a joke
usaf317 6 months ago
@usaf317 And you are still a biggot...You brought all this up.
TheNativeHistorian 6 months ago
@TheNativeHistorian yawn
usaf317 6 months ago
@usaf317 you are no fun at debating and you are boring.
TheNativeHistorian 5 months ago
@ensignbay You are not the Victim of liberals or the Government, they have done nothing to you...You need to follow your own advice.
TheNativeHistorian 10 months ago
@TheNativeHistorian The govt has power to take your money and my money. That's a very real power. Liberals wants more and more power over our private property. What the govt did to your ancestors or mine should not be your framework. It's what it IS doing that's the point. The govt has gone FAR beyond it's limited Constitutionally delegated powers. This means that our individual liberties are diminished. Govt should not encroach on our individual liberties.
ensignbay 10 months ago
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"The govt has gone FAR beyond it's limited Constitutionally delegated powers. This means that our individual liberties are diminished. Govt should not encroach on our individual liberties" <<< If you look at Native American complaints against the government, we say the same things...The governments needs to work with Tribes and not dictate us.
TheNativeHistorian 10 months ago
"The govt has gone FAR beyond it's limited Constitutionally delegated powers. This means that our individual liberties are diminished. Govt should not encroach on our individual liberties." < My people have been saying that for over 200 years...We have the right to speak just like you do, We are not playing the victim...Native Americans have the fastest growing economy and population in the World...You accuse us of playing the victim...we just speaking for our rights.
TheNativeHistorian 10 months ago
@TheNativeHistorian I think it's wonderful, truly, that each of us should embrace and love our heritage and traditions. And while we do that, we MUST stop thinking in terms of "group rights." Group rights rob you of INDIVIDUAL rights. Group rights pit groups against groups. So, as long as you keep thinking in terms of rights belonging to a group instead of every human individual, you will be disappointed. Group rights is a Marxist way of thinking and it robs individuals of their power.
ensignbay 10 months ago
"Marxist"You sure have a interesting way of defining people...Conservatives, Tea Party, Republicans are all Groups of people and they pit other groups against eachother...Before you try to define Native People, it all comes down to the "individual" and what they can do for their community...An individual is responsible for their own health and lifestyle...No matter how you look at it Humans are groups of people, we've evolved into groups...no one does anything by themselves, it's about teamwork.
TheNativeHistorian 10 months ago
@TheNativeHistorian what a load of crap. team work? how about you send me some money for my rent then? everything i have i got on my own...i didnt need a team of people.
usaf317 6 months ago
@usaf317 You are a moron and get offended to easy...Do away with the Reservations??? Do you mean cultural genocide...Do you want more for land for the White Man?
Go google "Iroqious Confedracy influenced the U.S Constitution"...Native American do have the fastest growing economy in the World...Shut the hell up you racist biggot.
TheNativeHistorian 6 months ago
@ensignbay You have erroneously claimed that Obama has raised taxes. I have challenged you to name one. When? Where? A single tax. You remain silent. Again. You have been proven wrong. Again. Doesn't this bother you in the slightest? It should. Being on the wrong side of fact and reality (again) is how you Conservatives (a person who is reluctant to accept changes and new ideas) continue to fail. Again.
spamvigilante 1 year ago
O bullshit. The idea that it wasn't the plan of Wolfowitz and all the other idiot neo cons in the Bush administration who orchestrated the war is exactly the kind of idiocy that proves my point. Y'all will believe anything that helps you piece together your fictional world view. But you can't tell me red is green and up is down. It's not ancient history to me. I remember it well. Democrats failure to stop the administration from starting an unnecessary war is another thing.
satidog 1 year ago
@satidog See snopes(dot) com/politics/war/wmdquotes (dot) asp, article entitled "Words of Mass Destruction."
On the subject of healthcare: Check out the data I have put together in the info section of this video detailing why more government intervention in healthcare is a disaster and will lead to rationing and poorer care and long wait times.
ensignbay 1 year ago
My lord, today's 'conservatives' suck so bad.
satidog 1 year ago
@satidog What sucks is Obamacare which amounts to price controls and tax hikes.
ensignbay 1 year ago
@ensignbay You guys don't really believe your own bs, do you? It seems like just some goofy game where you parrot whatever the twits on FOX are saying so you can sound angry and righteous. It's all so fucking stupid. Years ago I argued with right wingers about why I thought going into Iraq was stupid and Saddam wasn't a threat etc. They all swore at me claimed I hated my country. They were all wrong as hell. Yet y'all haven't changed your tune one bit. Trying to reason with wingnuts is nuts.
satidog 1 year ago
@satidog Ousting Saddam was made the law of the land by Bill Clinton at the urging of Pelosi, John Kerry, Kennedy, and Albright. And now, 25 million Iraqis are free to determine their own fates free from a murderous dictator.
Every major international intelligence agency thought Saddam currently had WMD. So it wasn't just "Conservatives."
And Obamacare is already causing increased insurance costs and, as happened at the state level with O-care style policies, will cause rationing.
ensignbay 1 year ago
@ensignbay "ousting Saddam" was not what any of them voted for either. Giving the president authority to do a thing while being told it would only be done if necessary isn't the same thing as 'urging.' You put it as though Bush was pushed into Iraq by Democrats! Like I said, reasoning with wingnuts is nuts. It's just depressing that more of the country doesn't pay enough attentions to see how fucking stupid and wrong you are.
satidog 1 year ago
@satidog The Iraq Liberation Act of 1998, signed into law by President Clinton on October 31, 1998.
ensignbay 1 year ago
reaction to 2:29
Do you realize how cold and heartless it is to say that because granny (who couldn't afford private health care for her hip replacement in the first place if there was no Fed Medicare system for ANYBODY)
a 5 year old with a broken arm can't get access to a doctor,or a 30 year old dad dies of a heart attack because he can't afford medical attention or a young woman can't go to a hospital to for pneumonia and suffers FOR WHAT?!? DEAL WITH REALITY! THERE IS A BIGGER PICTURE!
TruthinessDotCom 1 year ago
One more thing, how this little "tid-bit" of insight ends...
(about granny getting a pacemaker)
"Under Obamacare it wouldn't happen"
I guess that means granny couldn't afford it herself without "Obamacare" to begin with...
WHICH MEANS SHE WOULDN'T HAVE IT EITHER WAY!!!
So EVERYONE,regardless of age should infact die and/or suffer... and why?!?!?
TruthinessDotCom 1 year ago
@TruthinessDotCom No one by law gets denied treatment in the U.S. Hospitals are going bankrupt all the time because they treat people who can't pay. Pharmaceutical companies give away their meds to the needy.
Check out the article listed in the info section under my video above called "The Deadly Pact". It's proof that Obamacare mandates withholding life-extending treatment from the elderly to safe costs.
ensignbay 1 year ago
I think he read it wrong, he created a bill.. Maybe someone should tell him it was the pill he was supposed to take on!
JerkbaLLs14 1 year ago
I agree with Thomas the Gov must fix IHS they promised with treaties...The IHS is very basic health care, Native Americans want something better they must create something better...There are Tribes that have their own health care and clinics.
LJM331 1 year ago
I don't care about all these Left and Right BS, its tearing America apart...Rush Limbaugh called Native Americans Clowns...Rush hates anyone who does not view his political agenda.
Thomas3901 1 year ago
@Thomas3901 It is Obama who is divisive: Obama has:
--mocked tea party protesters and called them "domestic terrorists",
--wrongly accused doctors of doing unnecessary amputations for money,
--claimed the Cambridge police "acted stupidly",
--called Arizonians "irresponsible",
--called rural Americans "bitter clingers",
--villified insurance companies and Wall Street (as if the federal govt isn't run in such away that Congress would be in jail if done in the private sector), etc.
ensignbay 1 year ago
LOL, you get to angry to easy...You want everyone to listen to you, but you want do the same for them.
Thomas3901 1 year ago
@Thomas3901 Yes, my anger is justified -- you are ungrateful and you are not that bright if you think giving the govt more unconstitutional power will help you. Name one program the govt has succeeded in running. And by success, I mean meeting it's original purposes and staying within or near it's original budget. If a private business were run like federal programs, it would be out of business long ago.
ensignbay 1 year ago
@ensignbay I left some comments on your Channel to tell you what I think, it is a typical view of a Independent...I'll leave you alone and you can delete my comments if you want it's your channel...Your comments you made in your info sections about our health is a sterotype.
Thomas3901 1 year ago
@Thomas3901 Disprove anything I left in the info section. It is fact, not stereotyping. Disprove anything. I challenge you.
ensignbay 1 year ago
@ensignbay once again you can point to the Christian ran and Government run Boarding School Abuse and People not taking care of themselves and Whites have them issues to.
Thomas3901 1 year ago
ensign is stereo typing us...We are not all sick or dying you idiot...Typical right wing talking points, like you give a damn about us...Getting all political and using us to push your political agenda.
Thomas3901 1 year ago
@Thomas3901 What are you talking about? The Native American Health System? It is a fact that our govt, running a single payer system on the reservations, is failing. There are longer wait times, rationing, aging facilities, and a doctor shortage. I've provided the source report in the info section of this video.
ensignbay 1 year ago
We know about IHS and it's Problems...The Gov must improve IHS...Native Health System was promised to all Native American Nations (Treaties) in exchange for all the land lost to White People, 25 million killed, 50 million dealths from European diseases...Natives were very healthy and lived a clean and herbal medicine society before Whites invaded.
Thomas3901 1 year ago
@Thomas3901 So you want that same govt to have more power? I think that's called "crazy." By the way, Native Americans warred with and killed each other and are now benefitting from all the medical and technical advances made by the U.S. over the last century. So enough with your hate-America victimhood.
ensignbay 1 year ago
Yup some Tribes faught eachother, it was the Colonist, Government, radical Christians, Hate groups and disease that reduced our population to around 10 million today...European Colonist and early Americans all faught and killed eachother for this Land.
Many of todays food, food ingredients, herbs, crops and medicines came from Indigenous People of the Americas...My Ancestors showed yours how to farm and survive and taught them about North America.
LJM331 1 year ago
The U.S Constitution was heavily influenced by the Iroquois Conderation Articles...Ben Franklin visted with the chiefs of the Six Nations in mid 1700s and got many ideals from the Iroquois...Womens rights, voting from the People, equal rights(all men are created equal), the eagle symbol and other symbols and a central Government over the states...Congress was modified after the Iroquois voting structure...In 1986 congress gave the Iroquois the reognition of contribution to the U.S constitution.
LJM331 1 year ago
I don´t know what your probs are. Here in Germany, no one has to be afraid that he or she is gonna die, or not treated well because he or she doesn´t have a health insurance. Obama is doing exactly the right thing with that. Many people claim that to be socialism but THAT IS NOT TRUE. Those people simply don´t get the difference between socialism and social democracy. A government has to make sure, that its citizens are getting the needed health care, and THIS is the first real attempt!
Robbe19 1 year ago
@Robbe19 Your healthcare system, as new as it is, is already costing too much and needing revision. When you pool money, it is misspent and wasted. People spend their own money more wisely than others. Socialized systems disregard this basic fact of human nature. And when money is wasted, rationing occurs.
ensignbay 1 year ago
@ensignbay Well, at least we have the money, cause we aren´t spending that much on making war, so that we CAN offer every citizen a good health care. Human nature? This system has been working for a long time now, and will continue to work. The only problem that is connected to social economy is the money, that is being wasted for unemployed morons, who simply don´t want to work. The health system is fine here, and no one in Germany wants a "human" system, as it is in the US, trust me!
Robbe19 1 year ago
@Robbe19 The U.S. doesn't "make war." We defend the world from totalitarianism and islamic fascism. I believe it was US who saved you from Hitler, thank you very much. Our strong military enables Europe to spend money on big social programs instead of on necessary military power.
It is radical islam that "makes war." And the "unemployed morons" are enabled by lack of need to work. THAT is human nature. When people feel coddled by social programs, many will choose to take advantage of it.
ensignbay 1 year ago
@ensignbay Well, actually the Soviets and the Brits saved the world from Hitler, while you joined WW2 only in 1944, when it was already clear, that the allied forces would win. It makes me smile, when Americans say, that they WON WW2. Why didn´t you join in 1940 already?! Don´t get me wrong, I would never dishonour those American Soldiers, who gave their lives to fight Nazi Germany, but most of the work was done by the soviets and the brits.
Robbe19 1 year ago
@Robbe19 So that's what they teach over there in Europe, huh? I don't know that "most of the work" was winning the war. That's cute that you think Europe was succeeding at conquering Hitler on it's own and we weren't really needed.
But back to the topic at hand, human nature is human nature. When people get money/benefits they themselves did not earn through their own work, they waste and misuse funds. That's why your system is having to undergo changes because you are running out of $.
ensignbay 1 year ago
@ensignbay Well, for the first 3 to 4 years of the war, you were sending tons of weapons to british and Soviet soldiers for free, which were needed of course and had a great effect on how the war turned out till 1944, but the fact is, that there were British and Soviet soldiers who got the job done. You joined in 1944 to make sure that you would get a piece of the cake as well. Plus, at the moment, our system is recovering from the crisis, that your "human-nature" capitalism brought us.
Robbe19 1 year ago
@Robbe19 That we did not get into the WWII earlier is a shame. But the fact is, Hitler was well on his way to conquering all of Europe. Without our support, he would have succeeded.
And thanks to Ronald Reagan's brilliant multi-faceted strategem, we also toppled the Soviet Union, which lead to the fall of the Berlin Wall.
You've got no legs to stand on. You Europeans hate that you have the U.S. to thank for saving you twice. And we'll do it again if needed.
ensignbay 1 year ago
@ensignbay All of Europe?! When you joined the war in 1944, Hitlers Africa Corps was already defeated by the British Commonwealth, the Soviets were pushing the nazis back to the German borders and the Wehrmacht was only a shadow of what it was at the beginning of the war. Do not forget, that Soviets and Brits managed all of that without ONE single American Soldier. And by talking about the Europeans...you saved the French maybe, cause they were defeated in WW2 in some weeks, but that´s it.
Robbe19 1 year ago
@Robbe19 Your country was the epicenter of Hitler. You yourself admit that we sent needed weapons to fight Hitler. You can dilude yourself into thinking that Europe had Hitler's murderous rampage under control, but you are simply that: delusional. I suppose you also had things under control when the Soviet Union divided your country and imprisoned half your country behind the Iron Curtain.
ensignbay 1 year ago
@ensignbay You send wepons, but not soldiers, let French, British and Soviet soldiers die instead of acting yourself, and THIS IS A HISTORICAL FACT. And what is ALSO a historical fact, is that when you joined the war, the German Wehrmacht was already retreating on all fronts, except for France of course. In 1944, it was clear, that the Germany was about to surrender, with, or without the help of the US. And the comparison with the post war situation is absolutely off topic and stupid.
Robbe19 1 year ago
@Robbe19 And how dare you say we don't send soldiers. I believe that 10s of thousands of our soldiers have died to free you and other countries from totaliarian regimes. How many German troups have died protecting the U.S.?
ensignbay 1 year ago
@ensignbay Stop generalizing all of this. Mixing up different historical events, making up one general truth for everything. The fact is, that in WW2, you did NOT send US troops before 1944. POINT. Plus, what should we protect you from?! Do one, except for the Brits or the Japanese ever attacked your country. Of course we could not help you in WW2, as we were NAZIS as you may remember. But I guess 9/11 is attack on the US for ya. You have killed much more civilians than died in the towers!
Robbe19 1 year ago
@ensignbay And in WW1, the Russians lost to the Germans, due to the fact, that Lenin was starting his revolution, but the Germans could not advance on the western front, and had to give up. I don´t see, how the US has saved Europe from anythingin WW1, sir. And as I said, you joined WW2 when it was almost over, when the Soviets had destroyed the best German Tank division at the battle of Kursk, pushed them out of Stalingrad and were continuing towards Berlin.
Robbe19 1 year ago
@Robbe19 It's ironic that, in our conversation, you first accused the U.S. of "making war" and also criticized us of not helping out in WWII soon enough. So which is it--making war or defending free peoples against tyranny? I guess it's the latter when it concerns protecting you in Germany against tyranny, but the former if it concerns protecting ourselves in the U.S. against tyranny.
ensignbay 1 year ago
@ensignbay Oh I did say that you had to join earlier. But if you compare WW2 with your post cold war "Democracy" Wars, you are simply stupid. The motives are different. Your government tells its people, that you invaded the Iraq to establish democracy, and good, patriotic soldiers give their live to maintain the US´s oil needs. If you really wanted to help people, there would be different ways, but you always bomb countries, to bring them peace and democracy as you say.
Robbe19 1 year ago
@Robbe19 It boils down to: If we are protecting you, we should fight. If we aren't, then we are "making war."
You are parroting the standard anti-American lines about oil etc. BTW, why is protecting the fuel that drives the engine of ALL our economies such a bad thing? Do YOU use anything that has been created or moved thanks to oil? YES. You are a hypocrite.
And we bomb countries that threaten us. Iraq and Afghanistan both posed threats to us and 17 UN resolutions against Iraq support that.
ensignbay 1 year ago
@ensignbay Oil is still availeable. The point is, that YOU want to be in control of it, thus, having the possibility to play the world police, as you have done since WW2. Iraq threatened you?! Where are the weapons of mass destruction?! Have you found them already?! Afghanistan? Kill the terrorists, let Afghanistan alone. Why didn´t you capture Bin Laden? Because you couldn´t? You didn´t want to. You are searching for explanations to make war.
Robbe19 1 year ago
@Robbe19 Hey genius, if the United States wanted to be in control of all oil, we have the power to do so. Uh and yes, Husein gave safe haven to terrorists that threatened the U.S., and the entire world thought he was developing WMD. Even Germany did.
Bottom line: The U.S. is not going to take foreign policy or national security advice from a country (Germany) that in the last century produced a dictator extermined millions of Jews and which allowed itself to be conqured by Russia.
ensignbay 1 year ago
@ensignbay Germany believed it?! Your special services confirmed, that there were weapons of mass destruction, so maybe we should not believe you SHIT in future. All your crusades for democracy in the post cold war period are based on lies, FACE it! Germany took responsibility for the Holocaust, but you still talk about Germany as about the Third Reich, maybe I should talk about America as the country, that killed thousands of native indians and slaved even more blacks. This leads to nothing!
Robbe19 1 year ago
@ensignbay And of course you would have the power to get in control of all the oil. The problem is, your reputation as the good guy in the world, in which no one except for you really believes. So you are doing it the intelligent way. Let us look for eastern europe. You try to take almost every ex-soviet anti-russian country into the NATO. Why?Wouldn´t Russia be the better choice? It still has the most powerful military in that region. Or do you have other plans for mother Russia?!
Robbe19 1 year ago
@ensignbay What was that about Georgia? Who trained them, sold them weapons and then let them fight a battle they could not win, in order to ruin Russia´s already not so good reputation. Your news channels were working precisely, as if they got the needed info even before the first missile was launched by the Georgian artillery. Your government is doing a LOOOOOOOT of shit in the world right now. Not as much as Hitler did, but still enough.
Robbe19 1 year ago
@Robbe19 By the way, who was it that allowed Hitler to rise? Germany. Who was it that allowed Hitler to conquer much of Europe? Germany and Europe. So, again, I'd say the U.S. has a better foreign policy and national security record than Germany does. You would do well to study what we have done and what we do.
ensignbay 1 year ago
@ensignbay You, my friend, have half - knowledge of German history. All the totalitarian regimes in history have risen because of deficites in the financial situation of a country. That´s why Hitler got so popular, why Lenin could start his revolution, why there are revolutions in Africa almost every few years. And trust me, when your economy will (hopefully not) lie on the ground, and your citizens will suffer from hunger, you will have your own Hitler, or even someone worse.
Robbe19 1 year ago
@ensignbay Your government, just right after WW2, started to re-establish western Germanys economy, cause it knew, that communism or national socialism is only interesting for people, who don´t have a job and enough money to live. There is no Americans or Germans in terms of democracy. There is money and no money. You are not better as the Germans, as well as they are not better than you!
Robbe19 1 year ago
@Robbe19 By the way, who was it that allowed Hitler to rise? Germany. Who was it that allowed Hitler to conquer much of Europe? Germany and Europe. So, again, I'd say the U.S. has a better foreign policy and national security record than Germany does. You would do well to study what we have done and what we do.
ensignbay 1 year ago
I know most People in America don't want to donate or give up taxes for universal health care...The private health care, drug companies and the Gov must allow alternative medicines for the low income and unemployed so they would get access to some type of care...They want to opress alternative medicines, most of it is harmless...This Capitalist society only benefits 1/2 the Population, it creates class and the others are left out...This is neo Capitalism, you need Capitalism with regulations.
LJM331 2 years ago
LJM331, the people of the U.S. are the most generous in the world. The choice is not between helping those in need and not helping those in need.
The choice is: Helping those in need OR growing the size and power of govt.
More and bigger govt is not the answer. I've proven that this is the case in with all the links in the side bar "more info" section of this video.
ensignbay 2 years ago
I never said Americans are mean or selfish...America is learning from the Past.
"You point out some health issues of Natives", those healh issues can be found in any race...I don't won't Government or the Private Sector telling me how to life my lifestyle...It's up to the Individual to take care of themselves...People can heal themselves with "Alternative Medicines" we don't always need "Drugs"...60% of Americans are over weight it comes from every race.
LJM331 1 year ago
Why don't the Government allow alternative medicines in the mix...The Governments and Drug Companies work together to force us into their systems, it's only for profits, not to take of the People...They did science experiments on my People.
LJM331 2 years ago
"not to take care of the People" - typing mistake
LJM331 2 years ago
You can point the issues of Natives to the Boarding School Abuse 1880-1980, Opression and Tragic History...Why you bringing our issues up now, your just gettin Politcal, Maybe Obama wants to fix the IHS...IHS is there for the Treaties made before 1900...We have our issues with IHS and the Gov too...There are rich Tribes/Middle Class Native Americans operating their own Clinics and/or have their own Insurance and look else where other than IHS..The unemployed and low income cant afford Insurance.
LJM331 2 years ago
The point is that the U.S. govt provided a single-payer healthcare system on Native American reservations. If the govt is capable of running a healthcare system, why are there still privately owned clinics?
The answer is that govt is NOT capable of running in any way healthcare or insurance and has failed to adequately do so running medicare & medicaid, and the NAHS (IHS).
Thus, more govt is NOT the answer. Less govt is.
ensignbay 2 years ago
Too bad Grayson didnt see this youtube clip before he said the republicans want you to die. Search Robert Reich: What An Honest President Would Say About Health Reform .. if you are very old were not going to give you all that technology and all those drugs for the last couple of yrs of your life to keep you going for another couple of months. Its too expensive so we are going to let you die. Robert Reich. Mr Grayson, this video should make you feel warm and fuzzy. Enjoy
Callhermaam 2 years ago
Google the wall street journal editorial: The Worst Bill Ever. Read it word for word to your congressman. Read it very slowly and carefully to Alan Grayson.
Callhermaam 2 years ago
This type of Government forget God's law ( You shall not kill) to impose their own law
jerrysmith29 2 years ago
5For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. Genesis 3:5
This type of government believe that " they are God" ( Abortion , Euthasia , assisted suicide, cloning, etc).They take God out of the State to take his place
jerrysmith29 2 years ago
Every time I hear this video of this Obama yahoo saying, maybe they'd be better off without the operation and better off with the pain pill, it sends me into state of disbelief. Someone tell me again how this liar got elected again?
starVol 2 years ago
Listen to Zeromaster, he agrees with Obama (he's Canadian, but at least he has free healthcare god dammit!)
Ruby150 2 years ago
Free healthcare means nothing if it's rationed (it is in Canada and Britain) and results in higher cancer mortality rates (Canadians and Britains are dying at higher rates than we are).
ensignbay 2 years ago
Ty, I was not sure where he was going with that? This healthcare crapola will cost us trillions after they factor in all of the bills. Funny how these Obamabots keep pointing to frikin Canada as an example.
starVol 2 years ago
They wait less time to get into surgery!
Ruby150 2 years ago
Who is "they"? U.S. has far shorter wait times than Canada or Britain.
ensignbay 2 years ago
Says you, doesn't mean that anyone else agrees with you!
Ruby150 2 years ago
That's why I've provided evidence which proves my point. See the info section of this video.
ensignbay 2 years ago
You god damn conservative!
Ruby150 2 years ago
Your cogent and well-sourced reply is both compelling and persuasive.
ensignbay 2 years ago
You're just upset that Canadians and British people don't have to pay to go and get surgery, and that's all I'm saying, because you're too big of a dumb ass to realize that it's important
Ruby150 2 years ago
The British BREAST CANCER mortality rates: 88% higher than the U.S.
PROSTATE cancer mortality is 604% higher in Britain than the U.S.
The British COLORECTAL cancer rates are 40% higher than the U.S.
We also beat Canadian lung, breast, colon, and rectum cancer rates.
The U.S. also has better access to preventative cancer screening than Canadians.
We in the U.S. also spend less time waiting for care than in Britain and Canada.
Check out the evidence I've provided. Don't be afraid of facts.
ensignbay 2 years ago
You're mostly right, ensignbay.
But the prostate cancer figure doesn't mean quite what it seems to mean. It compares 5 year survival rates from time of diagnosis. But the Brits diagnose prostate cancer later, because they don't use PSA tests. So the disease has progressed further at diagnosis, and comparing 5 year survival is an apples-to-oranges comparison.
Prostate cancer (like breast cancer), is "only" about 1.9x as deadly in the UK as in the USA. See:
tinyurl (dot) com (slash) cancerbbc
ncdave4life 2 years ago
ncdave4life:
Thanks for the heads up. It's important to get to the truth.
The bottom line, as stated at that link is still: "it is safe to say that both breast cancer and prostate cancer have much higher fatality rates in the UK than in the US."
ensignbay 2 years ago
Ruby150, you are dense enough to absorb light. What do you think the 65% taxes they pay goes to? Everyone pays you dumbass!! Not everyone uses it, but everyone pays.!
am60mo 2 years ago
Well said! In Canada and Europe, everyone pays exorbitant taxes. Everything is taxed. Their prices for gasoline and other goods and services are extremely high. Their standard of living is also lower than ours.
ensignbay 2 years ago
I really wish that people from other countries would just stfu. They always want to make themselves out to be of such a higher caliber than Americans and then have the nerve to call us arrogant or say we meddle. I'm really sick of it! When we want your opinion we'll fucking beat it out of ya. Until then...STFU!!
New2Indy 2 years ago
As a Canadian watching this debate my mind boggles at some of the arguments used against socialized health care. Perhaps its a difference in Canadian values versus American ones that I believe that health care is a basic human right, much like access to safe drinking water. I would like to point out that health care is far more rationed in America, where insurance companies deny coverage to the sick and poor, than in Canada.
glyphman 2 years ago
ACCESS to healthcare is different than free healthcare. You liken it to ACCESS to water. In the U.S. everyon gets treated with or without insurance.
If Canadian healthcare is so great, why do Canadians flood OUR hospitals for treatment? Socialized healthcare ALWAYS results in rationing & lower quality care. Keep reading the evidence I've provided.
ensignbay 2 years ago
ensignbay 2 years ago
The Canadian system is basically just social insurance. If you can't afford food we pay for your food. Treatment? We pay for that too. In the states you have a huge chunk of the population ( something like 30-45 million) that doesn't meet any criteria for government health support, let alone private insurance. Are they all going to emerge for radiation? To say that everyone gets treated with or without insurance is just silly. That is a far worse form of health care rationing.
glyphman 2 years ago
Canadians aren't flooding American hospitals, at least not ordinary Canadians. Because your country is 10 times the size of ours you have far more facilities that are at the cutting edge in cancer treatment etc. Its those places that wealthy Canadians can go to for better treatment. Average Canadians (and Americans) are out of luck. Its amazing really that we can go to you for the most advanced treatment options while your own uninsured citizens go without.
glyphman 2 years ago
So yeah if you guys get a single payer system (we don't have socialized health care in Canada) it probably will kill a few rich Canadians if it means you don't let them cut in line ; )
glyphman 2 years ago
Canadians have higher cancer mortality rates than we do.
Canadians have higher wait times for treatments than we do--months as opposed to days for us.
Canada has a serious doctor shortage. Millions of Canadian can't get a family physician.
In the U.S., no one is denied treatment. There are minimal wait times. And our cancer rates are better than in Canada.
Your incoming pres of the Canadian Medical Assoc recently said that your healthcare system is imploding and unsustainable.
ensignbay 2 years ago
I came to this with an open mind because you provided so many facts backed up by references. But, and this is not an exaggeration, the very first referenced fact I checked (Medicare/Medicaid lose $60 billion annually to fraud) was simply a LIE. The website clearly states that it is the entire health care system, including private insurance companies, that loses $60 billion dollars in fraud every year. You should have written THE EVIDENCE in quotes.
glyphman 2 years ago
You are wrong. the $60 billion is from medicaid/medicare ALONE. I added another link which substantiates this.
ensignbay 2 years ago
Regardless of whether your facts are right I wasn't wrong: your reference didn't back up your claim. Oddly, your new reference doesn't mention a $60 billion figure at all (although a clip next to it seems to). Anyway forget that.
glyphman 2 years ago
The MSNBC article does mention that medicare is defrauded of $60 billion a year. Imagine the same govt which runs medicare running a larger program. How much more of our tax money will fall into the wrong hands.
ensignbay 2 years ago
Did it ever occur to you that its dishonest businesses, over billing Medicare that are the ones committing the "fraud". The fraud is found by Medicare when they audit. Blaming Medicare for fraud is like blaming the victim for crime. The idea that we need to give fraudsters more control is propaganda coming from dishonest businesses that don't give a rats ass about you.
And you fell for it.
givethemahand 2 years ago
That is a ludicrous statement. Would you say that about a private insurance company that lost this much $ to fraud?
Companies or the govt are either competent or they aren't. The govt has proven that is cannot wisely or safely manage our $.
Would you consider a bank a "victim" and guiltless who year after year lost your money to fraud? Companies work very hard to limit fraud and do much better, MUCH BETTER, than the govt which has proven to be completely inept.
ensignbay 2 years ago
The only reason we know about the fraud is that Medicare found out about it through their audit trial. You would not know otherwise. Get it?
God you are dense.
The Insurance companies defraud us of hundreds of billions, and they are not held accountable.
How much do they pay you?....if they don't ...they should.. a better advocate for thieves, i have never seen.
givethemahand 2 years ago
Do some research before forming an opinion: Medicare's fraud problem is due to their poor management.
What evidence do you have that insurance cos are "defrauding" in the same sense that Medicare is defrauded? You don't like that insurance cos make a profit, but that is NOT "defrauding" because we willingly purchase insurance and there are over 1,100 ins co in this country..
If you have evidence that your insurance co is defrauding their insured, you should bring that to the authorities.
ensignbay 2 years ago
Being paid for services rendered is fitting and proper.
But, a system that misrepresents itself as fair, misrepresents itself as efficient, as the only viable system, misrepresents the motivation of those that seek only to provide affordable health care for their fellow man...all while making a profit off the misery of others..is committing FRAUD on the American people on a massive scale.
Ensign..i say this with complete sincerity...you are an advocate for the dark side.
God save your soul.
givethemahand 2 years ago
The "dark side" is giving govt more unconstitutional power over our lives. You have a bizarre willful blindspot when it comes to govt.
--There are HUNDREDS of good insurance cos in this nation. Most of the nation are happy with their coverage.
--I've proven that govt flagrantly misuses our hard-earned tax $. You don't seem to care.
--I've proven that the U.S. govt Native American Healthcare system delivers rationed and poor care. Yet, you think more govt involvement is charitable.
ensignbay 2 years ago
Fantastic video
terryooooooo 2 years ago
"The forecast for this year is that there will be 1.4 million to 1.5 million total bankruptcy filings. Our data say 62 percent of those will be medical. That works out to around 900,000 cases, and each one affects about 2.7 people. That makes roughly 2.4 million people who will suffer from new medical bankruptcy filings in 2009 alone."
-Dr. David Himmelstein, Associate Professor of Medicine Harvard Medical School
I bet those people are real "happy"
givethemahand 2 years ago
(1) If you really cared for these people, you would not want them subject to the same govt that rations care to Native Americas and provides them sub-par healthcare.
(2) Govt involvement in healthcare always leads to healthcare rationing. I've provided evidence.
(3) I think you don't want free market solutions that allow you to keep more of your own $ to pay for healthcare because fundamentally, you want other people's $. You couch your arguments in "charity", but really you are greedy.
ensignbay 2 years ago
"Free Market Solutions" sounds great. But, the insurance companies don't want free market solutions.
givethemahand 2 years ago
So what? Lawyers don't want tort reform, but it must be done anyway to cut heathcare costs.
ensignbay 2 years ago
You're joking right? The majority of Americans are happy with their insurance providers because of the service the co's provide in paying for treatments. It's not a perfect system. You and I both agree on that. But more govt is not the solution.
What IS the solution is includes tort reform to immediately lower costs, and rescinding the law that makes it illegal for us to buy insurance across state lines.
Go back and look at the single payer Countries--they have WORSE problems than we do.
ensignbay 2 years ago
"The forecast for this year is that there will be 1.4 million to 1.5 million total bankruptcy filings. Our data say 62 percent of those will be medical. That works out to around 900,000 cases, and each one affects about 2.7 people. That makes roughly 2.4 million people who will suffer from new medical bankruptcy filings in 2009 alone."
-Dr. David Himmelstein, Associate Professor of Medicine Harvard Medical School
givethemahand 2 years ago
Changing our entire healthcare system--enhancing the power of the federal government over 300 million U.S. citizens--is NOT the answer.
Don't you think that the $1 billion the govt loses to Medicaid fraud each year could solve the problems of these 2.4 million people? How about the $1 billion the Postal Service lost to mismanagement this year alone--could that money have helped these people?
You should be outraged at our federal govt's inability to manage our hard-earned tax dollars.
ensignbay 2 years ago
ensign- "1 billion the govt. loses to Medicaid fraud"
Did it occur to you that its not the government committing the fraud?...it is your precious "for-profit" health care industry that has the lack of moral character to bill the government appropriately for services that our seniors need. And its government audits that discover the fraud,
So who is the bad guy?
givethemahand 2 years ago
Are you speaking of the denial of treatment to the elderly by our very own government? The govt that can't manage Native American heathcare without rationing treatments, and can't manage medicare without denying treatment and losing billions of our dollars each your to over-payments and fraud?
I got to tell you, with all the documentation I've provided, I think that those who put their trust in the power of govt are in denial. The majority of people are happy with their private insurance.
ensignbay 2 years ago
ensign- 1 billion divided by 2.4 million is about 400 dollars a person.
Yep...that will fix everything. Excellent idea. Why didn't i think of that?
:)
givethemahand 2 years ago
(1) Those are just 2 examples of the many billions our govt loses EACH YEAR to waste, mismanagement, & fraud. Check out the video I made documenting it.
(2) You don't like people making more $ than you. You hate that insurance co's make a profit. You covet wealth that you did not earn.
(3) Where is your sympathy for the Native Americans who have U.S. govt-run healthcare & get denied treatment, & receive poor care from our very own govt?
Govt is not the answer.
ensignbay 2 years ago
Its pretty simple really.
Making a profit on health care is immoral and unChristian
givethemahand 2 years ago
No it's not. By your reasoning, making money on food and housing which we need even more than healthcare is unethical and unChristian.
Why aren't you calling for all food to be free? Why aren't you calling for all houses to be provided for free?
Didn't you say that you work for a doctor? I assume that you are not taking a salary because that would be immoral.
What is not Christian is for you to covet what other have.
ensignbay 2 years ago
I am not calling for health care to be "free".
Again with the straw-man arguments.
What's your deal anyway?
Are you incapable of telling the difference between "free" and 'for-profit"?..or understanding that there is world of options in-between.
Perhaps you are.
givethemahand 2 years ago