I was inspired by "born to run" but when I checked national geography and wiki I found that a part of their economy is dependent on drug trade. I hope those are exceptions and not sign of a trend.
If these children weren't at school. they could learn much more and much more valuable skills from their families than the school could ever dream of teaching.
These kids don't live in a metropolis where they must to put their master's tongue before their native language! This is how most of the knowledge about humanity and our place in the world has been lost.
It would be so wonderful if governments/people of the world would realize that people like the Tarahumara should be left alone, and respected, and not treated like cavemen, but like teachers.
And we take them to task for giving up their culture. It is difficult to maintain your culture with the onslaught of modernization. It's o.k. for all of us to wallow in consumerism but not you.
Erm no, not really. All I'm saying is that going from a "running people" to a "sitting at machine people" might not be such an improvement. Going from 3-strings to 5 could be considered and advancement in the violin world though for sure.
I'm not really taking a stand, it's just that modern isn't necessarily better. And, by the way, the "colonial" perspective you mention is surely the one that imposes an external culture on an indigenous group - the contrary of what I'm saying.
Agree with crazyhermit here. The modern world is fine but don't you just think that this tribe will end up fat and lazy as a result of their conversion to this "modern world"? There will be government handouts, gifts of running shoes and, finally, a MacDonalds..... The old footage the end of this is simply beautiful though. Maybe it's only a romanticized perspective but they seemed pretty content for an awfully long time without our help.
@Yariten What I hear you and crazyhermit saying is that the Tarahumara are "running people" and they need to stay running people; otherwise they are dumping on their culture. That's a pretty "colonial" perspective, don't you think? They play a three string violin. If they started using s 5 string violin, would they be dumping on their culture? Life changes when we change.
@toby099 The government need to help these people, they can not be left alone. The tarahumaras need help in order to become self sustainable. Something needs to be done, there is hunger in the Sierra Madre. Everyday, more and more tarahumaras come to the cities looking for a better way of life, you can see them in every corner, every light begging for food or "un peso". It's really sad this situation.
@TheCultio thats how it works, goverment let them sufer long enough so eventually they will be force to go to the big cities looking for work, then goberment tkes over their land so they will hand to the corporations( any kind ) Same is happening in chiapas, worst is that whites own those corporations that eventually will take over their land, spanish did samething send christians first to brainwash and convert the natives, then will be easier for the invaders....
@flairish12 development and jobs!!! please give me a break!! i wish all whites in our contient will one day go back to europe and leave us alone, whites in arizona discriminating againts brown skinned people now whites go to mexico " to develop and create jobs" WHAT OF FUKKK MORON.....
@99cacahuate Its not the whites, it is the dream of the imperialist European. This dream infects Indians who have internalized the brianwashing. Within a few hundred years N. America will be brown again, but whose dream will they live by? With the brainwashing resurface or will modern technology combine with traditional Indian values? That is the real struggle, one of culture, not of race.
@99cacahuate It is but a dream...there are far to many "Native Americans" with European blood, whether they look it or not. I am American and look as white-skinned as can be, but I am descended from a native. Does this mean I have to go "back" to Europe too? If so, then all "Natives" with a trace of European blood must go. The logic..without that Eur ancestor they would not exist. Never going to happen. The people who live here are here to stay, that is, unless they willingly decide to go.
@AnAmericanPatriot251 yeap, your right after whites killed 95% of native americans now whites call themselfs more americans then the so called mexicans huh? this land is going to be brown and red again, face the truth.......
@99cacahuate Now you are just talking gibberish. I am currently responding to you from the Mexican-American Cultural Center on my college campus, where I most often hang out when not attending classes. None of the Mexican-Americans I know think like you. On the bottom floor of this building is the Native American Center. None of them think like you, either. People like you are only shit-talkers on the internet. You are an extremist. Do not deny your European blood...keep dreaming.
@AnAmericanPatriot251 How can i deny something that don't belong to me, im a brown skinned person which happens to know what my real culture is and where my real culture comes from...you have know no idea what is like to be a native, i will send you some videos of the places i have been.
@99cacahuate I would like to add that the Natives who are in the Native Club are not white people with a trace of Indian blood or even Mexican-Americans. They are actual Native Americans from various reservations in the Southwest. In fact, my best friend on campus is half Gila River Apache and half Piman. So if you think I'm just talking shit, you are wrong. I'm just telling it how it is. You are just a dreamer. I won't dignify anymore stupid responses with a response of my own.
@flairish12 i am not saying that adapting to the world is bad, but i mean, they're special running people. many of the tarahumara that now live in houses, drive cars, and have normal jobs, now can't run like those who have not adopted to the modern world yet. thats one the most important thing in their culture that they're dumping, which is awfully sad :(
@CrazyHermit How can we fault them for wanting to join the modern world? Are you saying that some cultures should not join the 21st century? But, if they/we believe their spiritual belief, once the last Tarahumara leaves their traditional culture, our world ends. Remember, they believe they are the pillars that hold up the world that we live in. A heavy load to carry.
"greater mutual understanding" sounds like the BS way of saying 'We want what You have'.
Seems to me these guys did pretty well for themselves for a very long time without learning Spanish. Not saying education isn't a good thing but I do believe it will come with a less than great package deal for the Tarahumara...
@Peekingduck I believe you're right. Did you notice that they mentioned that the long distance running is decreasing? If you've ever run and enjoyed it you'd become very sad if someone tried to take it from you/told you there was something else you should be doing instead. If this keeps going it will only take one generation for them to stop running all together. It's like a crime against humanity. Their strength will decrease, illness will increase and so their beautiful culture will vanish.
@meaningofequal2 Well, you do understand that their religious belief is that they are the pillars of the world. As long as they exist as a people, the world we enjoy is secure because of them. Their faith and their traditional lifestyle are the pillars that sustain the world.
@arturojgs Eric Hostetter and I made the documentary. Eric is a professor of archaeology at the University of Illinois. I was a producer at WILL-TV, the PBS station in Champaign, IL.
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Cristians did not come to infect people, aztecs had to be conquered, to stop their maddness for their crimes and thirst of blood. The way I see it a devil had to come to stop another evil.
oh i hate this! just leave them alone! i guess if they want to they can modernize, but it just doesnt seem like it would help them much. i wish i could live the way they do. :(
@fan1bunbury Texas and New Mexico are not that far away from Chihuahua,i guess it´s just part of the used clothes and goods they receive or buy from our neighbors to the north.
yes i know but thats fucking bad, trying to modernize cultures is bad, u.s citizens think they are americans but theyr are not, they were born in america therefore are americans, but they called themselves americans you dont see people like mexicans saying we the americans
jajja even though they are more americans than whites, US citizens are globalizing their shit, they want to change the american continet and the whole world, but they got still the influence of birtish mostly even in their name UNITED STATES-UNITED KINGDOM., I WAS JUST SAYING IS BAD FOR CULTURES TO FALL BECAUSE OF CAPITALISM, IM MEXICAN AND THIS TARAHJUMARAS ARE BAD ASS.
que loco yo tambien soy mexica,es algo que le he tratado de enseñar a nuestros hermanos mexicanos por mucho tiempo,cuando estube trabajando en ee.uu les decia a mis compañeros que no les llamaran americanos a los gabachos,que nosotros tambien somos americanos y se quedaban pensando y me decian no pues si.
ahhhhhh jajajja chido,si ya se a mi tambien me pasa estoy viviendo en estados unidos y estoy en la smismas carnal jajaja,pinche sgringos nomas les gusta que les digan ke son americanos para poder sentirse americanos,cuando en realidad no lo son, es una civilizacion llevada a ocupar otra civilizacion, no es ocmo en mexico ke es mitad espaniols mitad nativos por eso somos cafecitos aka, pero esos gueyes ke pedo nomas llegan y abren alos nativos y luego se hacen llamar americanos ke peddd
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Here, let me fix that for you: "Stupid humanity. Always going around infecting other manmade societies and cultures"
Christianity may be bad, but it's very small in terms of the overall picture. Plus, it's generalizing. Quit. Fucking. Generalizing. My parents are Christian and my friends are Christian and I don't recall them destroying cultures thousands of miles away.
@superskiez Someone has a chip on their shoulder......did Christ harm you? It sure is tough when we are beckoned to live in a moral way and believe in something greater than our pitiful selves. When I ask people how Christianity has hurt them, they have NO answer. I get the usual things that have no bearing on THEM, such as crusades,inquisition or they tell me what to think. In my experience leftwing Humanist professors try and tell me what to think more than Christians ever have.
just read "born to run", a book about these incredible runners. each time they came to north america (i.e: the 100 miles leadville race), to race with ultramarathonians, they beat them wearing only sandals!
They do have a reputation for being long distance runners. Their idea of a marathon is more like 100 miles. Never heard that they were related to the cliff dwellers.
hahaha not only is there marathon 100miles, their 48 hour race clocks in at the avg. distance being 300miles, whats better the current record is supposed to be 435 miles, and here we are us 'modern' people struggling with a 26.2 mile run haha
at 6:02 perfect form?
AdolfoNetoUTFPR 6 days ago
At 5:08 they play and run.
AdolfoNetoUTFPR 6 days ago
I was inspired by "born to run" but when I checked national geography and wiki I found that a part of their economy is dependent on drug trade. I hope those are exceptions and not sign of a trend.
abhijitjacob 1 month ago
I will not critizise any human been because we all came from the 12 tribes of
Isrrael
arcvar59 8 months ago
If these children weren't at school. they could learn much more and much more valuable skills from their families than the school could ever dream of teaching.
These kids don't live in a metropolis where they must to put their master's tongue before their native language! This is how most of the knowledge about humanity and our place in the world has been lost.
bootme21 8 months ago
As for the video, I think its great. Definitely an interesting culture.
AnAmericanPatriot251 10 months ago
@AnAmericanPatriot251 Thanks. If you want to see the entire program contact WILL-TV in Champaign, IL.
flairish12 10 months ago
Bravo to Bass-baritone Ronald Hedlund for his narration/voice over to this WILL-TV documentary.
Cellobration 1 year ago
@flairish12 yes, I know its about us, just couldnt help and point out them jesuits.... if ya already know then ya know....
frankiebabie93 1 year ago
It would be so wonderful if governments/people of the world would realize that people like the Tarahumara should be left alone, and respected, and not treated like cavemen, but like teachers.
TheSlurpeeCup 1 year ago 13
@TheSlurpeeCup You are absolutely correct.
flairish12 1 year ago
And we take them to task for giving up their culture. It is difficult to maintain your culture with the onslaught of modernization. It's o.k. for all of us to wallow in consumerism but not you.
flairish12 1 year ago
its funny how whites kill 95% of the Native Americans and then talk about how much American they are more than the so called Mexicans....
99cacahuate 1 year ago
Yeah, it will be a sad day in mexico and in the world if they build a freeway, some mcdonalds, walmarts on their land.
hardassteel 1 year ago
@hardassteel You got that right.
flairish12 1 year ago
i wish i coul run like this.. not even tired at all just enjoying the sceneary.
gravew0lf 1 year ago
Erm no, not really. All I'm saying is that going from a "running people" to a "sitting at machine people" might not be such an improvement. Going from 3-strings to 5 could be considered and advancement in the violin world though for sure.
I'm not really taking a stand, it's just that modern isn't necessarily better. And, by the way, the "colonial" perspective you mention is surely the one that imposes an external culture on an indigenous group - the contrary of what I'm saying.
Yariten 1 year ago
@Yariten I understand what you are saying. And I agree modern isn't all it's cracked up top be.
flairish12 1 year ago
Agree with crazyhermit here. The modern world is fine but don't you just think that this tribe will end up fat and lazy as a result of their conversion to this "modern world"? There will be government handouts, gifts of running shoes and, finally, a MacDonalds..... The old footage the end of this is simply beautiful though. Maybe it's only a romanticized perspective but they seemed pretty content for an awfully long time without our help.
Yariten 1 year ago
@Yariten What I hear you and crazyhermit saying is that the Tarahumara are "running people" and they need to stay running people; otherwise they are dumping on their culture. That's a pretty "colonial" perspective, don't you think? They play a three string violin. If they started using s 5 string violin, would they be dumping on their culture? Life changes when we change.
flairish12 1 year ago
The tarahumara need to be left alone...they are one of the few remaining self sustainable indigenous peoples.
toby099 1 year ago
@toby099 The government need to help these people, they can not be left alone. The tarahumaras need help in order to become self sustainable. Something needs to be done, there is hunger in the Sierra Madre. Everyday, more and more tarahumaras come to the cities looking for a better way of life, you can see them in every corner, every light begging for food or "un peso". It's really sad this situation.
TheCultio 1 year ago
@TheCultio thats how it works, goverment let them sufer long enough so eventually they will be force to go to the big cities looking for work, then goberment tkes over their land so they will hand to the corporations( any kind ) Same is happening in chiapas, worst is that whites own those corporations that eventually will take over their land, spanish did samething send christians first to brainwash and convert the natives, then will be easier for the invaders....
99cacahuate 1 year ago
@99cacahuate And it is all done in the name of development and jobs. Yes?
flairish12 1 year ago
@flairish12 development and jobs!!! please give me a break!! i wish all whites in our contient will one day go back to europe and leave us alone, whites in arizona discriminating againts brown skinned people now whites go to mexico " to develop and create jobs" WHAT OF FUKKK MORON.....
99cacahuate 1 year ago
@99cacahuate You miss understand.I was being sarcastic. I totally agree with you.
flairish12 1 year ago
@99cacahuate Its not the whites, it is the dream of the imperialist European. This dream infects Indians who have internalized the brianwashing. Within a few hundred years N. America will be brown again, but whose dream will they live by? With the brainwashing resurface or will modern technology combine with traditional Indian values? That is the real struggle, one of culture, not of race.
herbmedrx 11 months ago
@99cacahuate It is but a dream...there are far to many "Native Americans" with European blood, whether they look it or not. I am American and look as white-skinned as can be, but I am descended from a native. Does this mean I have to go "back" to Europe too? If so, then all "Natives" with a trace of European blood must go. The logic..without that Eur ancestor they would not exist. Never going to happen. The people who live here are here to stay, that is, unless they willingly decide to go.
AnAmericanPatriot251 10 months ago
@AnAmericanPatriot251 yeap, your right after whites killed 95% of native americans now whites call themselfs more americans then the so called mexicans huh? this land is going to be brown and red again, face the truth.......
99cacahuate 10 months ago
@99cacahuate Now you are just talking gibberish. I am currently responding to you from the Mexican-American Cultural Center on my college campus, where I most often hang out when not attending classes. None of the Mexican-Americans I know think like you. On the bottom floor of this building is the Native American Center. None of them think like you, either. People like you are only shit-talkers on the internet. You are an extremist. Do not deny your European blood...keep dreaming.
AnAmericanPatriot251 10 months ago
@AnAmericanPatriot251 How can i deny something that don't belong to me, im a brown skinned person which happens to know what my real culture is and where my real culture comes from...you have know no idea what is like to be a native, i will send you some videos of the places i have been.
99cacahuate 10 months ago
@99cacahuate I would like to add that the Natives who are in the Native Club are not white people with a trace of Indian blood or even Mexican-Americans. They are actual Native Americans from various reservations in the Southwest. In fact, my best friend on campus is half Gila River Apache and half Piman. So if you think I'm just talking shit, you are wrong. I'm just telling it how it is. You are just a dreamer. I won't dignify anymore stupid responses with a response of my own.
AnAmericanPatriot251 10 months ago
it's sad, because they're literally dumping their culture which was highlighted in the infamous book "born to run"
CrazyHermit 1 year ago
@CrazyHermit They are dumping their culture? How do you figure that? How about their culture has been impacted by outside cultures?
flairish12 1 year ago
@flairish12 i am not saying that adapting to the world is bad, but i mean, they're special running people. many of the tarahumara that now live in houses, drive cars, and have normal jobs, now can't run like those who have not adopted to the modern world yet. thats one the most important thing in their culture that they're dumping, which is awfully sad :(
CrazyHermit 1 year ago
@CrazyHermit How can we fault them for wanting to join the modern world? Are you saying that some cultures should not join the 21st century? But, if they/we believe their spiritual belief, once the last Tarahumara leaves their traditional culture, our world ends. Remember, they believe they are the pillars that hold up the world that we live in. A heavy load to carry.
flairish12 1 year ago
wow this was awesome! I am glad i learned some new stuff! I am Rarámuri through my father and this was just awesome to see
TheStellarBeliever 1 year ago
@TheStellarBeliever Glad you enjoyed it. We also learned a lot about the Raramuri and their culture. It was a real honor to tell this story.
flairish12 1 year ago
I love my people! the Trahumara are great!! and they deserve all the respect of the world!
poblanaennewyork 1 year ago
Jeez, I can't even run one block without being winded!
ElveeKaye 1 year ago
@ElveeKaye And their terrain is much more difficult.
flairish12 1 year ago
"greater mutual understanding" sounds like the BS way of saying 'We want what You have'.
Seems to me these guys did pretty well for themselves for a very long time without learning Spanish. Not saying education isn't a good thing but I do believe it will come with a less than great package deal for the Tarahumara...
Peekingduck 1 year ago
@Peekingduck I believe you're right. Did you notice that they mentioned that the long distance running is decreasing? If you've ever run and enjoyed it you'd become very sad if someone tried to take it from you/told you there was something else you should be doing instead. If this keeps going it will only take one generation for them to stop running all together. It's like a crime against humanity. Their strength will decrease, illness will increase and so their beautiful culture will vanish.
meaningofequal2 1 year ago
@meaningofequal2 Well, you do understand that their religious belief is that they are the pillars of the world. As long as they exist as a people, the world we enjoy is secure because of them. Their faith and their traditional lifestyle are the pillars that sustain the world.
flairish12 1 year ago
Where can I go see the whole film?
yokunaides 1 year ago
jesuits! spreading their craft...!
frankiebabie93 1 year ago
@frankiebabie93 This documentary isn't about the Jesuits. It's about the Tarahumara. and how their culture has endured.
flairish12 1 year ago
who made this documentary?
arturojgs 1 year ago
@arturojgs Eric Hostetter and I made the documentary. Eric is a professor of archaeology at the University of Illinois. I was a producer at WILL-TV, the PBS station in Champaign, IL.
flairish12 1 year ago
@flairish12 Thanks so much. Im using some of the things said here in a research paper and I just wanted to cite you guys.... thankx again
arturojgs 1 year ago
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Cristians did not come to infect people, aztecs had to be conquered, to stop their maddness for their crimes and thirst of blood. The way I see it a devil had to come to stop another evil.
cerrocoloradogtomx 2 years ago
hahaha you're fucking nuts. what makes european imperialism better than aztec imperialism? because the europeans had god on their side, right?
jbyrne1211 2 years ago 5
It different because the europeans basically almost took out a whole race, traditions,and dialects. While the aztec didn't.
termanogue 2 years ago
oh i hate this! just leave them alone! i guess if they want to they can modernize, but it just doesnt seem like it would help them much. i wish i could live the way they do. :(
totgeliebtxo 2 years ago 2
what's stopping you?
jbyrne1211 2 years ago
Thats good, ruin the last pure civilization.
ELowkey7 2 years ago 2
look at his hat is capitalism he doesnt even know but capitalism has made it to the most hide places in the world wtf
fan1bunbury 2 years ago
@fan1bunbury Texas and New Mexico are not that far away from Chihuahua,i guess it´s just part of the used clothes and goods they receive or buy from our neighbors to the north.
jesamani75 2 years ago
yes i know but thats fucking bad, trying to modernize cultures is bad, u.s citizens think they are americans but theyr are not, they were born in america therefore are americans, but they called themselves americans you dont see people like mexicans saying we the americans
fan1bunbury 2 years ago
jajja even though they are more americans than whites, US citizens are globalizing their shit, they want to change the american continet and the whole world, but they got still the influence of birtish mostly even in their name UNITED STATES-UNITED KINGDOM., I WAS JUST SAYING IS BAD FOR CULTURES TO FALL BECAUSE OF CAPITALISM, IM MEXICAN AND THIS TARAHJUMARAS ARE BAD ASS.
fan1bunbury 2 years ago
que loco yo tambien soy mexica,es algo que le he tratado de enseñar a nuestros hermanos mexicanos por mucho tiempo,cuando estube trabajando en ee.uu les decia a mis compañeros que no les llamaran americanos a los gabachos,que nosotros tambien somos americanos y se quedaban pensando y me decian no pues si.
jesamani75 2 years ago
ahhhhhh jajajja chido,si ya se a mi tambien me pasa estoy viviendo en estados unidos y estoy en la smismas carnal jajaja,pinche sgringos nomas les gusta que les digan ke son americanos para poder sentirse americanos,cuando en realidad no lo son, es una civilizacion llevada a ocupar otra civilizacion, no es ocmo en mexico ke es mitad espaniols mitad nativos por eso somos cafecitos aka, pero esos gueyes ke pedo nomas llegan y abren alos nativos y luego se hacen llamar americanos ke peddd
fan1bunbury 2 years ago 3
fucking jesuits ! They are selling their shit to the original people, who are more happier than those motherfuckin jesuits !
fedorianko 2 years ago 7
You know, you might try expressing yourself without cursing.
flairish12 2 years ago
couldn't agree with you more brother
superskiez 2 years ago
Stupid modern christianity. Always going around infecting beautiful socieities and cultures!
superskiez 2 years ago 39
Modern? Its always been like that
Degenskonto 2 years ago 4
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Here, let me fix that for you: "Stupid humanity. Always going around infecting other manmade societies and cultures"
Christianity may be bad, but it's very small in terms of the overall picture. Plus, it's generalizing. Quit. Fucking. Generalizing. My parents are Christian and my friends are Christian and I don't recall them destroying cultures thousands of miles away.
errOHneoS 2 years ago
@superskiez Someone has a chip on their shoulder......did Christ harm you? It sure is tough when we are beckoned to live in a moral way and believe in something greater than our pitiful selves. When I ask people how Christianity has hurt them, they have NO answer. I get the usual things that have no bearing on THEM, such as crusades,inquisition or they tell me what to think. In my experience leftwing Humanist professors try and tell me what to think more than Christians ever have.
LordWoolley 1 year ago
just read "born to run", a book about these incredible runners. each time they came to north america (i.e: the 100 miles leadville race), to race with ultramarathonians, they beat them wearing only sandals!
foushou1 2 years ago
I'm reading "Born To Run" also...very good so far!
RAGATO62 2 years ago
YES! born to run! i just read that! such an awesome book! i finished it in 1 day i was so hooked!
kelborn24 2 years ago 17
i have only started reading it recently and i was engrossed from the back page alone!!!!!
theronmatron 2 years ago
I know right?! It's such an awesome book! I seriously couldn't put it down, just so intriguing!
kelborn24 2 years ago 4
Conima tortilla....love this people!!!
ropefast 2 years ago
my mom uses that pink soap, from mexico!!!!!! ^^
edhernan534 3 years ago
p.s
i heard there famous runners, originally there running was not a game, it was to run down a deer until it got tired.
shamanizing 3 years ago 2
That's how they like to hunt, its hardly necessary. I'd say culture comes first, then this form of hunting.
Ebuverthebicepcurler 2 years ago
interesting, well done, i think i heard the Tara are related to the pueblo cliff dwellers of the american the southwest
peace n blessings
Ken
shamanizing 3 years ago
They do have a reputation for being long distance runners. Their idea of a marathon is more like 100 miles. Never heard that they were related to the cliff dwellers.
flairish12 3 years ago
How can we obtain the full documentary about the Tarahumara? They are a very intriguing culture!
RAGATO62 2 years ago
hahaha not only is there marathon 100miles, their 48 hour race clocks in at the avg. distance being 300miles, whats better the current record is supposed to be 435 miles, and here we are us 'modern' people struggling with a 26.2 mile run haha
athletecam 2 years ago 3