Dembski methos are used in archeology criminology foresinc science and many other sciences. for example archeologists have methods to determine if a something is a man made tool or just a natural occuring rock.
but if evolutionists don´t like dembski methods then please provide a better method to determine if something was designed
@Answerquestions1 Please provide evidence that a snowflake is designed. Please provide evidence that a designer is needed and god is the designer and your god is the one true god.
I always thought that ID was something of an alternative to Evolution. However, on 13:00 and 14:16 Dembski speaks of "chance" and "random[ness]", which has nothing to do with Evolution. So what are you on about?
People thought the 'face on mars' had specificity to it and we all now know it didn't. apparent specificity does not mean something actually has specificity.
@IloveYOUviruses ''can infer evolution in similar genes '' They don't.
Endogenous Retroviruses (ERVs) are lingering remnants of failed viral infection, which occurred in an ancestor's sex cell and got propagated in its offspring. The viral insertion site is completely random and finding one in the same location in two individuals indicates they each had that same ancestor. Humans and chimps have 98,000 ERV in the exact same location.
I apreciate this. Because I know the science for God. I do not know how to present this science in any discussion with Athiests. So this is perfect for me to learn the termanology used in most YTube discussions. Thanks Matt!
Homework you assigned? Oh god I hope you're not a teacher! Those poor kids! Teleological arguments are legitimate arguments, but intelligent design is an intellectually bankrupt field of study that was only meant to combat evolution(for the most part)
Your argument isn't circular Matt. Here's the real problem and I'm sure people will take offense to this but whatever. The truth just is what it is. The issue is that your level of logical understanding is above that of urbanelf and it makes it difficult for him to keep up with your lines of logic. You're spot on with your explanations but your level is way above what most of your pundits understand so their only recourse is to flop around or simply insult you because they don't get what you say
On a normal day I would say "Hey, I can't wait to sit down, take notes, and make a video response" But your track record of ignoring arguments you can't answer, and constantly repeating what we've corrected for you, makes it less motivating to waste more time on you.
Still, I want to do it so you do not fool too many people. I should be thankful you have not blocked me from commenting.
If the pile of driftwood functions as a wall, that is actually a very low level of specificity. Almost anything can function as a wall. In fact, you could rotate every single one of the logs in any direction, and it would STILL perform the same function. That means the specificity is very low. Hope that clears things up.
Evolution is a creation story in itself -yes< - I am not one to notice ,?sinc3e people implie it to divinity and a god hood. OF LIFE ITSELF . The creation story is the reality of measure. since people adapt to the idea , yes evolution is creationism. STOP FRETTING.
Can you run Mount Rushmore and old man in the mountain through Dembski's formula to DEMONSTRATE that it works? Which was the entire point of my comment that you screenshotted in part 1.
And common sense is not a good argument. The moment you invoke "common sense" you're pleading. "Common Sense" says that heavier objects fall faster. So what does that say about a "common sense" argument?
@kelarael And again with probability (which is what dembski's part of the argument is: a P value)... let's take the lock example.
Let's say the lock has 10 million combinations.
If 10 billion people with 10 billion identical locks, suddenly it's not improbable that millions will get it right. It is improbable that any one INDIVIDUAL will get it right, but not that ANYONE will get it right.
No. some situations (such as mt rushmore), would be too difficult to quantify. However, I will be giving other examples showing mathematical numbers, and why chance is unreasonable. However, if you still hold that his math is WRONG and you can SEE IT, then please show me. Instead what you did was link me to videos that were factually wrong, and which you claimed did a better job then you could of explaining it.
Why is common sense not a good argument? Is that why you dont use it?
@onceforgivennowfree I told you why. "common sense" says that heavy objects fall faster than lighter ones. In REALITY. They fall at the same speed. I also told you why a probability argument is meaningless when you have a sample size of 1
How many planets do we know there is life on? 1
How many planets do we KNOW there is no life on? 0!
We can be fairly confident that there is no other life capable of producing technology in our solar system, but that's due to evidence which INFORMS probability
@kelarael furthermore as can be demonstrated- a RNA chain can be formed naturally in montomorillonite clay. A chain of any length is statistically as probable as any other of the same length, regardless of whether it codes for something or not. The moment you accept the reality that mutations happen you accept that the code can change and that that code is statistically just as probable as any other which renders your P value argument completely meaningless.
@kelarael and here's some more common sense for you. The earth is flat and the sun goes around the earth. All makes perfect sense from our perspective, doesn't it?
how about this?
which has the higher probability if you pick numbers at random?
0123456789
or 1728659345?
Common sense would tell you that the chances of getting 0123456789 in order is lower than the other- but the probability is the same. You would say that the second sequence is random, but the first sequence is not.
Matt awesome video once again! I must say, it's quite obvious the reason ID is continually misrepresented is because if it were actually presented properly, there would be no logical or scientific argument against it.
P.S Thanks for using my quote and I look forward to the continuation of this series.
As someone who has been an atheist his whole life,until a few months ago, I can tell you that atheism is pure madness..... I look back on my life and often wonder how I could have been so dumb..... and then I thank God for not quitting on me.
Conclusive proof of intelligent design wouldn't change my worldview one little bit, so this debate isn't really up my street.
I'm more interested, when all the arguments for & against have been exhaustively presented, in the christians' and muslims' wild non-sequiter that claims that the religions are in any way at all linked to this intelligent agent.
There is a huge abyss between "there is a designer" and "the designer is Yahweh/Allah".
btw did you see my response comments on your vid to me?
I suggest you study the historical evidence for the ressurection of Jesus. Have you read any books on this by any top scholars like Gary Habermas?
You could also look into Bible prophecy (ex: 69 weeks of Daniel, etc). Christianity is grounded in history. The koran is not - for example, it claims jesus was not crucified and didn't die on a cross - this goes against all the evidence. I suggest you look into it - the truth is there for all who truly seek.
wouldn't the "designer" be WAY MORE complex than the "high level complexities" that you claim require the "designer" as an explanation BECAUSE of their "high level complexities?"
Yes. That's the way it always works, right? You find a book, you can trace its origin back to an intelligent mind. The mind is way more complex than the book. So yes, you're right!
@onceforgivennowfree The point is: it doesn't get you anywhere. It leads to an infinite regress. This isn't science. If it is, show me the experiment that you would set up and what you would expect to find, and how this could be falsified. BTW, books, and sculptures, and paintings, and machines do not self-replicate. Therefore, all of the analogies don't really work in reality.
Well, my view on what? My view on intelligent design? That wouldn't change, because ID has nothign to do with the age of the earth. Or do you mean my view on something else?
@onceforgivennowfree Matt im glad idk if you heard,but i saw it on the internet that ID will be taught in texas...i sent you some articles about that i believe...and there is even an article where 800 professors agreed that IDrs should be taught .....but just once thought...i think...actually i am sure that evolutionists are aware that if we start to teach ID...in a few years ...or at least few decades...we ll go from ID to creationism....its inevitable......
@Epydemic2020 one thing...i was an evolutionist myself...i was actually number one evolutionist in my class.....and after studying i REALISED that ...well...we can talk about dating methods whole day if you want..:)))...and...at least 9 out of 10 methods suggest young earth....AND some other things in scientific fields..:)))...so if you want to talk about that ok....you are welcome...but just in case you believe in old earth....and darwinism...then...i cannot understand how you can make videos..
@Epydemic2020 yes i have....btw compare genesis and new testament...and you ll see what God ...said....if you somehow find it to be coexistend with darwinism...ok...but then..either you are ignorant...of philosophy,theology,hebrew and greek bible ....or you are ignorant of science...(geology,paleontology...not to mention biology,microbiology,biochemistry,genetics...) ...so...you are definitely ignorant in one of these 2 ...
@Epydemic2020 well i would appreciate if you tell me what are your arguments for believing in evolution at all...btw i am not against evolution because i am christian or something like that...but because i am for science....i dont argue against evolution because of my faith...but because of science...i was alredy evolutionist and i know every argument some evolutionist can use to support his WORLDVIEW...and RELIGION..not science...so if you want to talk with me about evolution,you ll have to...
I am not here to defend evolution. If you have scientific objections to evolution then so be it. The only claim I am interested in opposing is your idea that Christianity and evolution are logically contradictory.
@Epydemic2020 well....if you earn at least BSc on natural science(more precisely on biology,microbiology,biochemistry and genetics) then you can talk about your faith in darwinism....because if you indeed believe in evolution...than you have problem with science...not to mention philosophy....and even theology,history,logic and christianity...but since you want to talk about christianity vs evolution inconsistence...then ok...is there any reason why you think they are coherent???
In the absence of a reason to find them inconsistent, they are consistent. I see no reason to conclude they are logically contradictory. I do think some biblical points are best explained from a theistic evolutionist perspective (such as the tree of life implying that death was already in the world, or the idea that "the garden of eden" is separate from the rest of the world, or the idea that Satan's sin preceded mankinds) but those aren't even necessary to prove mere consistency.
@Epydemic2020 ok...right now..IDrs movements rising all over europe...i know you ppl in america alredy have evolution vs creationism and ID debates right now...and it was on the news that texas,louisiana and tenneessee will teach ID in schools too...here in uk and europe(including australia) is almost the same.....scientists and experts,professors and students leaving darwinism just like i did few years ago and turning to ,,where evidence leads,, ....to ID...so here also we witnessing a major...
@CamW30 ohhh here are you coward...why you escaped from a debate???btw...did you check John Sanford and his genetic entrophy???check all about that...John Sanford began as darwinist and ended up as <EC because he as one of the leading geneticists in world like every single geneticist agrees that our genome declining...check out his videos and his books,articles etc...and then come here and post any lie he told concerning genetics.....cmon..:))
@giska1000 "ohhh here are you coward" haha that's a good one.
"check John Sanford and his genetic entrophy" which paper was that? Oh, that's right it wasn't a paper that was peer reviewed but a collection of vids and speaking engagements
The whole premise behind Sanford's work was based on a postulate that said all species would die out in a few generations due to "entropy"
As we know that species last for 100s if not 1000s of generations that postulate was debunked, along with Sanford's "work"
@sol3a1 "check John Sanford and his genetic entrophy" which paper was that? Oh, that's right it wasn't a paper that was peer reviewed but a collection of vids and speaking engagements
leading geneticist from Cornell University and man with dozens of patterns,inventor of gene gun etc...newer had peer reviewed papers???you little kid...:))) go and check out these things..PLEASE...educate yourself...:))))
@sol3a1 The whole premise behind Sanford's work was based on a postulate that said all species would die out in a few generations due to "entropy"
...i love you desperate evolutionists and your claims...:)))..first...people are...usually...well informed in work of Dr John Sanford...so can you tell me ...tell us all here...where and WHEN he claimed such thing????
@sol3a1 As we know that species last for 100s if not 1000s of generations that postulate was debunked, along with Sanford's "work"
...ok...evolutionist(ignorant liar)1.who ,,debunked,, his work? 2.when and where he said that all species will soon die out in few generations??? now....if you said this there are either 2 options...1.you are troll....and 2. you are so poorly indoctrinated that you are WILLING to lie about other people just to somehow ,,discredit,, them because ....
@sol3a1 ...of their disbelief in theory of evolution...so instead comiung here and claiming these things you should actually post evidence or send at least videos where he stated such things...ok????oh and DEFINITELY post here and send videos of scientists and geneticists who ,,debunked,, him ...ok???it would be much appreciated..:)))
@giska1000 - Um, "disbelief" is a matter of faith. Either you accept the evidence or you ignore it. IDist and Creationists choose to cover their eyes and ears and ignore it as it conflicts with a book written 1600 years ago
As for "providing evidence" it is up to the person who makes the claim to back it up with little things like evidence, research and more
It's the same for someone claiming they found a new sub atomic particle, they provide the evidence for their claim
@sol3a1 oh wait...the best thing is...you ....almost...lol...mentioned...evidence for evolution...right???why dont ypu post here evidence for evolution???(i alredy know everythinbg you ll post but go ahead)...post it here-....because...you must be right...why does so many people on earth today in 2011th leaving...darwinism..and following evidence where it leads...to IDrs and Creation...especially here in europe and uk...??:)))give evidence PLEASE...:D
@giska1000 "oh wait...the best thing is...you ....almost...lol...mentioned...evidence for evolution...right?" sure, there's tons of it
"why dont ypu post here evidence for evolution?" Sure, what is evidence to you? Have you seen AronRa's great work? What about Don Exodus and his work?
"why does so many people on earth today in 2011th leaving...darwinism" what are you taling about? People leaving darwinism? Guess what, I'm not a "darwinist" I'm also not an "Einsteinist" nor a "Salkist".....
@sol3a1 "why dont ypu post here evidence for evolution?" Sure, what is evidence to you? Have you seen AronRa's great work? What about Don Exodus and his work?
WTF..??are you serious??you want me to watch videos of some aronra and donexodus ...and other you tube wannabe scientists and ,,experts,,???-.- ...you bloody americans...you dumb ass american people...-.- ...why you instead fo that said to me to go and ask experts,or...study biology etc..???:)))oh...i think i know....
@sol3a1 hey have some great vids and even tell you how to go look the stuff up yourself. So I take it you want it spoon fed to you?
...are you serious?? ahaha...first...yes i wathced their videos ...2nd. no they didnt tell ANYTHING...especially if you consider the fact that they are not even relevant to teach anybody here,so instead of recommending me you tubers and their videos,why dont you PLEASE go to real science,professors and relevant experts...?????
@sol3a1 Halt den schnabel. Was machst du so toll?
....was man unter,, was im gut,,???
who's your idea of an expert?
...ummm..professors of biology,experts like alan feduccia,kenneth miller,peter atkins,stephen jay gould,john sanford,craig venter,e.o wilson...etc...etc..
@sol3a1 Okay Mr. BSc, I guess the curriculum in Greece is a lot easier and less stringent
...ummm...surely..cradle of western civilisation and cradle of science and almost all branches of science is easier...LOL lol..LOL..tw greece is member of eu...eu member countries have graduates going under education of EU standard...expertizing choosen fields in any country member of eu they(we ) want...so whole EU has certain standard(no.1) standard of education on earth ....:)))
@sol3a1 ...its because i am in Europe...the best place for education on earth...oh..should i also say that i also have BSc degrees in molekularna biologija(one subject,fusion of biology,microbiology,genetics and biochemistry) including MSc degree in natural science and diplomas in philosophy and history(including historicity of religions and ancient world)???...so why would i fall so short of my knowledge and go to watch videos made by some american you tubers and wannabe ,,scientists,,???
@giska1000 "its because i am in Europe...the best place for education on earth" yet you squander it by listening to people even people in the US think are stupid
"BSc degrees in molekularna biologija" you do? really? Wow, and you stated that the European model is better! Ha, what a joke
Okay Mr. BSc, I guess the curriculum in Greece is a lot easier and less stringent
@sol3a1 Endogenous retroviruses you mean???ok...since you ll use ERV as ,,proof,, for common descent right??may i just debunk this catastrophical myth,because ERV and ,,junk,, DNA was used as proof for evolution and today...actually in last 2 weks,IDrs busting your ass with ,,junk,,DNA myth...check out Jonathan Wells myth of junk dna too...:)))).....
@giska1000 "Endogenous retroviruses you mean?" good. So could you explain why some ERVs are found throughout several , but not all, genera and species of a given family, other ERVs are only found in the species of specific genus but there are other ERVs that are only found in a few species of a genus and not the whole genus?
How does Creation/ID explain that?
"actually in last 2 weks,IDrs busting your ass with" not mine
@sol3a1 The presumption behind his argument is that endogenous retroviruses (ERVs) are functionless stretches of "junk" DNA that persist because they are "selfish"--but they have no function for the organism. If we find the same ERVs in the same genetic loci in different species of primates, Theobald concludes they document common ancestry. But what if ERVs do perform important genetic functions?
@giska1000 "The presumption behind his argument is that endogenous retroviruses (ERVs) are functionless stretches of "junk" DNA that persist because they are "selfish"--but they have no function for the organism"
Very good but I see that you like to spout off on a lot of tangents but I'll stick to the ERV as great evidence for Evolution
"If we find the same ERVs in the same genetic loci in different species of primates" and what is so special about those species of primates with those ERV?
@sol3a1 Very good but I see that you like to spout off on a lot of tangents but I'll stick to the ERV as great evidence for Evolution
....OMG what??and why???it would be ok if we are in 1980s,90s or even early 00s ......but today...ever since 2009th...to use ERV and ,,junk,, DNA as proof...it is embarrassing...one of the latest hall of shame members concerning neo darwinian theory of evolution....
@sol3a1 Even theistic evolutionist Francis Collins acknowledges that genetic similarity "alone does not, of course, prove a common ancestor" because a designer could have "used successful design principles over and over again." (The Language of God, pg. 134.) The force of Theobald's argument thus depends upon the premise that ERVs are selfish genetic "junk" that do not necessarily perform any useful function for their host.
@sol3a1 In contrast, ID proponents would predict function for ERVs. This isn't because ID has an inherent quarrel with common descent--it doesn't. Rather, ID predicts function because the basis for ID's predictions is observations of how intelligent agents design things, and intelligent agents tend to design objects that perform some kind of function.
@sol3a1 As William Dembski wrote in 1998, "If, on the other hand, organisms are designed, we expect DNA, as much as possible, to exhibit function." It seems that the expectations of ID are turning out to be right.
A 2008 paper, "Retroviral promoters in the human genome," in the journal Bioinformatics (Vol. 24(14):1563--1567 (2008)) discusses the fact that "Endogenous retrovirus ....
@sol3a1 (ERV) elements have been shown to contribute promoter sequences that can initiate transcription of adjacent human genes.
The article thus "analyzed genome sequence and high-throughput expression data to systematically evaluate the presence of retroviral promoters in the human genome."
The results were striking:
We report the existence of 51,197 ERV-derived promoter sequences that initiate transcription within the human genome, including 1743 .....
@sol3a1 ..cases where transcription is initiated from ERV sequences that are located in gene proximal promoter or 5' untranslated regions (UTRs).
ur analysis revealed that retroviral sequences in the human genome encode tens-of-thousands of active promoters; transcribed ERV sequences correspond to 1.16% of the human genome sequence and PET tags that capture transcripts initiated from ERVs cover 22.4% of the genome. These data suggest that ERVs may regulate human transcription on a large scale.
@sol3a1 (Andrew B. Conley, Jittima Piriyapongsa and I. King Jordan, "Retroviral promoters in the human genome," Bioinformatics, Vol. 24(14):1563--1567 (2008).)
...oh...but PLEASE..i know you are not in touch with science of year 2011th so do you want me to send you articles about EMBARRASSING ,,JUNK,, DNA latest member of evolution-hall of shame ???please....if you want i ll send you everything via PM about any argument you have concerning evolution ok good sir???:)))
@giska1000 "i know you are not in touch with science of year 2011th so do you want me to send you articles about EMBARRASSING ,,JUNK," the only one calling it "Junk DNA" is you
Please follow along and stop embarrassing yourself
...ummm....because whole ERV ,,argument,, was used along with ,,junk,, DNA argument as proof for evolution...as soon as it was found today that there is no junk DNA nor functionless and broken ERV sequences in our genome....you lost 2 arguments instantly....is there any other argument for ....evolution...??
@giska1000 - Me to you "Where have I ever called it Junk DNA?"
You "Please learn to read and think"
In other words I caught your ass in a lie about me and now you're trying to weasel out of it. You my be intelligent but you are not wise. You jump to conclusions, assume to much and with limited information, make pronouncements your ass can't cash
Now, where did I ever say anything about Junk DNA? Answer this or be labeled a fool and and ass and not worth anyone's time
@sol3a1 Me to you "Where have I ever called it Junk DNA?"
You "Please learn to read and think"
....AND THEN ME....AGAIN...listen you are either ignorant or....uneducated....i said because of junk dna argument ERVs were used as proof against IDrs and FOR evolution and common ancestor because it was BELIEVED by evolutionists that ERVs are broken sequences in certain genes which is DISPROVEN...i just posted you whole article about ERVs and how it is dismissed as proof for evolution...AND YOU...
@giska1000 - Answer the question as you have gone out of your way to set up a strawman and burn it to the ground and attempted to show that I was making a connection that I know doesn't exist
You on the other hand are dishonest and lie through your teeth
NOW POINT OUT WHERE I SAID ANYTHING ABOUT JUNK DNA or be a fool and a liar who has no morals, scruples or honesty at all
You tried to tar and feather me with a lie that Creationists use (they lie all the time) and made it seem as I was doing it
@sol3a1 Answer the question as you have gone out of your way to set up a strawman and burn it to the ground and attempted to show that I was making a connection that I know doesn't exist
...like i said...you are COMPLETE MORON...you want me to think you are an grown fuckin man,and supposedly ,,educated,, and you newer knew that ERV argument came from Junk DNA hypothesis???
@giska1000 "like i said...you are COMPLETE MORON" in other words you realize you got your butt in a sling and can't admit when you're not just wrong but bearing false witness
Sorry but you asked me to provide evidence for Evolution and when I asked about EVRs you went off on a complete tangent about how I need to "get an education on Junk DNA and how it is not junk" then to read a book by J Wells
I asked a simple question to show where I said anything about Junk DNA
@sol3a1 NOW POINT OUT WHERE I SAID ANYTHING ABOUT JUNK DNA or be a fool and a liar who has no morals, scruples or honesty at all
...you fucking idiot...you gav e me ERV as an argument for evolution...I POSTED YOU A FUCKING ARTICLE where it clearly shows that ERV(which came from ,,junk,, DNA hypothesis) was clearly disproved in 2008 you fucking blind magot.....
@sol3a1 You tried to tar and feather me with a lie that Creationists use (they lie all the time) and made it seem as I was doing it
....hahahahaha...:)))...you little idiot...you tripping something???:D ....i newer tried to do anything but to post you a fucking article where ERVis dismissed just as Junk DNA is dismissed,ERV is not even used anymore,and ..unfortunatelly ...some ...evolutionists still trying to wash their hands from these ,,arguments,, they sometime used so proudly...
@giska1000 ".i newer tried to do anything but to post you a fucking article where ERVis dismissed just as Junk DNA is dismissed" WHICH WAS DONE BY SCIENCE. Junk DNA is only used by Creation/ID idiots to lie
ALL I ASKED ABOUT ERV and then you went off at the mouth like a punk slobbering all over his boyfriend's unit
Again you have no shame, honor, integrity, morals not scruples. You are incapable of having a dialogue with because you have no decency to shut up and stick to the matter at hand
@sol3a1 WHICH WAS DONE BY SCIENCE. Junk DNA is only used by Creation/ID idiots to lie
...yes you are right...Junk DNA was dismissed by evolutionist shitheads...IDrs and creationists PREDICTED ,,junk,, DNA is pretty useful and complex and we should search more and see that there is no junk or ,,leftovers,, in our DNA genome as evolutionists(anti science movement) claimed....and REAL SCIENCE discovered LIKE ALWAYS that IDrs and Creationists were right...:)))...
@sol3a1 ALL I ASKED ABOUT ERV and then you went off at the mouth like a punk slobbering all over his boyfriend's unit
...ok...its so obvious you newer went to college...i think you are not even in highschool...so please until you learn whole microbiology,genetics and biology including...biochemistry...you SHALL stop embarrassing yourself here please...:)))..
@giska1000 "ok...its so obvious you newer went to college" hehe, think what you want but wait, it's obvious you can't
"IDrs and creationists PREDICTED" nothing, never have never will. Show us one paper, one discovery by an IDist. On second thought, you'll probably go off on to exploded beetles
As for the rest, you asked for evidence but can't keep you r yap shut and have shown yourself to be a fool, a liar and an idiot
@sol3a1 "IDrs and creationists PREDICTED" nothing, never have never will. Show us one paper, one discovery by an IDist. On second thought, you'll probably go off on to exploded beetles
...ummm...you mean they predicted junk dna is false...junk dna is actually useful...useless(vestigial organs are actually useful and not vestigial),neanderthals were just as humans and not dimmwits,natural selection is not driving force,cell is not simple its INCREDIBLY COMPLEX...there is order in universe....
@sol3a1 ....our genome declining...genetic entrophy,mutations are dangerous and cannot create anything new,cannot add information,or create new information that newer existed before in organism or transform organism from one kind into another kind of organism....also they predicted we ll find design within organisms,cells,bacteria...etc..IDrs and creationists also predicted x other things and we can talk about them surely and all of them were proven RIGHT and every single aspect of evolution...
@giska1000 - Good bye giska1000. All I can say is may the Bosnians live forever and the Croatians take their rightful place
You can't speak with people as you will not listen to anything they have to say. That "style" is known as "YELLING AT THE OTHER PERSON SO THEY CAN'T GET A WORD IN EDGEWISE"
@sol3a1 lool stupid kid...i know you like bosnians(islamized serbs) and croatians(latinized serbs) because you are an dumb uneducated worm....:))
You can't speak with people as you will not listen to anything they have to say. That "style" is known as "YELLING AT THE OTHER PERSON SO THEY CAN'T GET A WORD IN EDGEWISE"
..is this your argument for ERVs???i hope its not...because you still wont show best evidence for evolution and you STILL refuse to explain how ERV is still proof for evolution..
@sol3a1 ..even if all data from latest scientific research backed up claims of IDrs and creationist proponents and again failed to prove darwinian theory of evolution....may i say to you...please...stop being WILLINGLY ignorant...pray to God and dont be one of these people that-
:20For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
@sol3a1 21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
...you should repent sincerely and study everything...especially science and theory of evolution...and then you ll see how foolish it is just like it is written in romans 1st chapter...to believe in such thing as theory of evolution...
@sol3a1 - giska says that he looks at all evidence for evolution, but I've caught him cut-&-pasting from the DI website. If you read his recent posts with you, you'll notice that he thinks an ERV is a gene. He has no comprehension of how pieces of ERVs mutate to codons, nor what a codon is. He doesn't understand nested hierarchies with reference to ERVs.
He has no intelligence; he just steals his info from creationist websites. He doesn't understand the science. He is just a sad Greek butt-boy.
@CamW30 - giska says that he looks at all evidence for evolution, but I've caught him cut-&-pasting from the DI website.
....cmon...name me ID sites i used here to prove somethig??and not only that,but lets tell my why would it be ,,bad,, anyway??you dumb ass canadian moron????
If you read his recent posts with you, you'll notice that he thinks an ERV is a gene.
@CamW30 He has no comprehension of how pieces of ERVs mutate to codons, nor what a codon is. He doesn't understand nested hierarchies with reference to ERVs.
...cmon...you explain...dumb ass canadian wannabe ,,lecturer,, and professor from buttfuck tenesee???
He has no intelligence; he just steals his info from creationist websites.
...like i said..name them???cmon??i can see hpw desperate you are...you just showed how dishonest you are...typical dumb uneducated canadian litte cunt...:))
Why, are you unable to look it up yourself?. I wouldn't waste my time teaching someone who is unable to comprehend.
"typical dumb uneducated canadian litte cunt"
Why would you want me to teach you then? At least I can type in complete sentences & stay on topic. Are you bipolar disorder; it certain looks like it from your writing style & content. Perhaps see a doctor about that (if they have doctors in Greece; if not, maybe see an oracle).
@sol3a1 - giska thinks that Greek scientists & standard of living are tops in the world. What a goof!.
His writing style suggests meth addiction or untreated bipolar disorder (hence the inability to stay on topic).
Many others have given him examples of beneficial mutations in humans, but he just dismisses them out of hand. E.g. He says that the prolongation of lactase in adulthood isn't beneficial because in raises cholesterol, leading to heart problems.
@CamW30 - Yeah I wrote him off as a goof off fraud who likes to read his posts and respond on what he wants to say, not what someone else said
He's a waste of time but I wanted to give him every opportunity so only the most deranged YEC/IDiot can say I didn't try to offer up a discussion with evidence for Evolution
@sol3a1 - Yeah I wrote him off as a goof off fraud who likes to read his posts and respond on what he wants to say, not what someone else said
...oh...so either you 2 are desperate,jobless,mad and fucking disgusting ,,adults,, ...or you are CamW30 with another account???
He's a waste of time
....no..you are waste of time my friend....when i posted you article concerning ERVs as argument for evolution(now used as argument for design along with junk DNA)you only said..,,well,i still BELIEVE..
@sol3a1 ...ERVs are good evidence for evolution,,....i mean can you hear yourself you fucking moron???yeah,you can believe whatever you want,but dont call it science you little dumb ass jack bag bitch....especially not in 2011th...;))
I wanted to give him every opportunity so only the most deranged YEC/IDiot can say I didn't try to offer up a discussion with evidence for Evolution
....ahaha...you wanted to give me an opportunity??what are you??are you some expert??...professor??
@sol3a1 ...oh right...judging by your posts you are NOTHING...you are NOONE..just like your little online friend Camcuntw30 ...desperate poor little cunts...going around and talking about people,lying...you 2 right now proved how filthy you are...and ...ummmm....evidence for evolution???i know you tried...but...where is evidence for evolution???
What an ass he is
...what a monkey ass you are...:))..poor little disgusting lying midget...;))
@CamW30 giska thinks that Greek scientists & standard of living are tops in the world.
...UMMMM...greece in in EUROPE....:))---and member of EU...;)))--why dont you check out life standard,standard of education...etc..etc....in eu??and every eu member nation you dumb ass desperate uninformed canadian cunt???:)))
Many others have given him examples of beneficial mutations in humans, but he just dismisses them out of hand.
...ahhh...now you crossed your line you fucking idiot...ok...
@CamW30 ...ok..listen..i am not mad...i just cannot believe how desperate and retarded you canadians and specifically evolutionists are...if this is the best you can...IF THIS..these posts and ,,arguments,, are the best you can...then i feel so sorry for you...and especially for your ,,family,,..if you have some family at all...you dusty,raggedy,dumb piece of canadian shit that calls himself professor and even ,,lecturer,,....:))...i think its hard for you to watch yourself in the mirror...
@CamW30 He says that the prolongation of lactase in adulthood isn't beneficial because in raises cholesterol, leading to heart problems.
...first of all this is basic medical fact...it eaises triglycerides and increaseing risk...instantly increasing risk of trombosis and sudden heart death or stroke...etc...if you knew basic facts concerning medicine ...you would know this...and at the end of the day...HOW IN THE FUCKING WORLD..lactaze would be beneficial,when i asked you to explain.....
@CamW30 ...in darwinian term???:..you know that lactaze is completely useless mutation....and it cannot transform any existing kind of animal to another kind of animal...it is completely useless mutation,i asked you for mutation DARWINIANS looking for...why you wont gave such???fucking punk...:)))
@sol3a1 ...right now is proven to be WRONG...I ALREDY ASKED YOU TO SHOW ME one WHERE EVOLUTION IS RIGHT...OK??:))..also you said IDrs and Creationists newer invented or discovered ANYTHING..its pretty bold claim concerning that EVERYTHING created today and invented today...whole science..rest upon creationists and IDrd and their inventions,and i can post you whole bunch of greatest scientists of whole times that discovered almost everything we have today,including term natural selection and ....
@sol3a1 ...EVERYTHING about theory of evolution...ell..at least darwinian theory of evolution was born thanks to creationists and IDrs...(ohh yes just dont tell me you dont now history of science because ill embarrase you)...whole modern genetics ret upon discoveries of father of modern genetics A MONK gregor mendel....creationist....then i can go on and on about scientists that were creationists and IDrs and invented almost everything we have today....
@sol3a1 Again you have no shame, honor, integrity, morals not scruples. You are incapable of having a dialogue with because you have no decency to shut up and stick to the matter at hand
...you are .1complete idiot 2.willingly ignorant bigot 3.uneducated blind kid with down syndrom or...you just playing stupid here...HOW CAN WE STICK TO THE MATTER concerning ERV as proof for EVOLUTION???WTF ....
@giska1000 - So you want to continue this? Fine but show me you can do 1 thing first and ONLY 1 thing. Keep the response to it and it alone, no insults
Say that I didn't say anything about ERVs and Junk DNA
That's all
I will be using ERVs for evidence for Evolution though
@sol3a1 ..evolutionists newer invented ANYTHING except they came up with ,,story telling,, in science..and they started to tell stories about how life might have emerged etc,they also invented racism,nazism and term ,,inferior race,, ....etc etc....they ,,discovered,, so many things which were proven wrong...every single one of them..should i start concerning fossils??and then go to every other field to show you how science of 21st century disproved and dismissed everything....
@sol3a1 ...concerning theory of evolution...even ,,survival of the fittest,, is proven wrong ...especially among bacteria..now you have survival of the slowest,survival of the kindest...etc...kin selection is rejected by e.o. wilson ...the man that ,,discovered,, it...what is ...where is ONE THING ..discovered BY EVOLUTIONISTS today???is there one thing???
Say that I didn't say anything about ERVs and Junk DNA
..yes you used ERVs...and since you used it as ,,proof,, every educated normal...
@sol3a1 ...man that knows biology will say that you immediately believe in junk dna hypothesis...just like if you use Lucy as ,,missing link,, ..everyone will believe that you think ,,fossil record,, is real deal and you believe that fossils prove evolution...its the same...i just pointed out that you CANNOT USE ERVs as proof for evolution,you can use them for Intelligent Design ONLY...but not anymore....because junk dna and of course ERVs are proven WRONG...not useless..not junk...
@sol3a1 ...and DEFINITELY not broken sequences and leftovers of our common ancestors as an result of evolution over milions..AND MIIILIONS...of years...:)))..
I will be using ERVs for evidence for Evolution though
...ok..you can..you can use it in your imagination,just like i can use kikiriki peannut butter for intelligent design..but you ll have to refute previous article and explain here WHY erv is proof for evolution???:)))-.-
@giska1000 "HOW CAN WE STICK TO THE MATTER concerning ERV as proof for EVOLUTION???WTF" right after you admit what I've been asking for about how I never said anything about "Junk DNA"
@sol3a1 - sol, you are wasting your time with this git. He tells so many lies that he can't keep them straight. He gave me a list of degrees that he had that turned into a general science BSc & a diploma. I called him on his age (22) & he said he was 25 & he started on YT 3 years ago. He doesn't realize that ages update automatically on your profile. His parents are major scientists a CERN, but he lives in Greece. He thinks that Greeks discovered evolution.
@CamW30 sol, you are wasting your time with this git. He tells so many lies that he can't keep them straight.
...ummm..likes....like???
He gave me a list of degrees that he had that turned into a general science BSc & a diploma. I called him on his age (22) & he said he was 25 & he started on YT 3 years ago.
...canadian...:)))..canadian...:)))..i came on yt in 2009...i had 22....it is 2011th...why is it ,,lie,, to tell my age in 2011th??...-.-
@giska1000 - "i came on yt in 2009...i had 22....it is 2011th...why is it ,,lie,, to tell my age in 2011"
LOL, The age on your profile automatically increases every year. If you were 25, it would show 25. Goof!
"show me how to change nmber of my age"
Why would I help you?
"that theory of evolution was first suggested in around 6 b.c."
Anaximander came up with natural selection? You are stupid (or you don't understand the concept of evolution). Probably both. Greeks live in past; no future.
@CamW30 He doesn't realize that ages update automatically on your profile.
...LOL...lol....ok..show me how to change nmber of my age on profile please???
His parents are major scientists a CERN, but he lives in Greece. He thinks that Greeks discovered evolution.
...what??so YOU DONT KNOW...that theory of evolution was first suggested in around 6 b.c by greek philosopher Anaximander and was taught in certain parts og greece before your dumb ass people even immigrated in canada???:))))
@sol3a1 ...ONLY CAME AND GAVE AN ANSWER like ,,well,i still believe ERVs are good proof for evolution,, .....
So if you are still willingly ignorant and you ll still use ERVs as proof for evolution than you are younger than i thought....maybe you are 6???or 7??...whats next???you ll still use nebraska man as proof for evolution???i mean its ok that n.man was fraud,but according to your logic you ll still believe that it is good example for evolution...right???
@sol3a1 In other words I caught your ass in a lie about me and now you're trying to weasel out of it. You my be intelligent but you are not wise. You jump to conclusions, assume to much and with limited information, make pronouncements your ass can't cash
.....ahaha ummmm ???somebody is really mad here...and it aint me....:))):S
@sol3a1 Now, where did I ever say anything about Junk DNA? Answer this or be labeled a fool and and ass and not worth anyone's time
...ok...silly little child...you cant learn this in high school,so you ll wait until you go to college and learn that ERVs argument for evolution...rested upon myth that there was ,,junk,, DNA in genome....and ERVs were just useless broken sequences placed at at certain place among certain organisms....etc..e.tc..:))...now...,,junk,, DNA ....
@sol3a1 ...(including ERVs) is dismissed as false because both Junk(which means ERVs too) are amazingly useful complex and multifunctional...ERVs is not used as argument for evolution but for Intellignet Design...it is clearly placed at right place with specific complexity and multifunctions that cannot be explained by anything except Intelligence....so JUNK DNA and its child ERVs are..one of the members of evolutionary theory-hall of shame frauds,myths,lies and false predictions ..:)) get it??
@sol3a1 btw sir...why would you believe in evolution so hard and call it fact...when we both know...lets be honest...if you ever went to university you should know that evolution contradicts to everything we observe in nature....including natural selection(its not driving force of evolution cane toads-speedy toads disproved n.selectionas driving force) and random mutation...what can i say about random mutation??if you ever studied genetics you ll know that random mutation cannot increase....
@giska1000 - let me be very, very blunt about this. STOP GOING OFF ON TANGENTS. You asked for "evidence for Evolution" and I am prepared to bring up ERVs. Not "Junk DNA" as the only people who continue to use that term are Creationists and IDists
Why?
Perhaps to show that science is not infallible. So what? Science fails then corrects itself. That is the difference between science and creationism: Science discards what doesn't work and moves on
@sol3a1 - let me be very, very blunt about this. STOP GOING OFF ON TANGENTS. You asked for "evidence for Evolution" and I am prepared to bring up ERVs.
...you are an idiot because i clearly posted you scientific article about ERVs and how they are dismissed as proof for evolution and what you did??you just responded like ,,i still believe ERV is good evidence for evolution,,??how can you be so ignorant and still use ERV as argument for anything except ID and how can you be so stupid ...or...
@sol3a1 ...blind...maybe even wicked to refuse to see connection between Junk DNA and ERVs??you dont even know your own ,,arguments,, for Gods sake,are you serious???
Perhaps to show that science is not infallible. So what? Science fails then corrects itself. That is the difference between science and creationism: Science discards what doesn't work and moves on
..well what DOES work when it comes to evolutionary theory???what DOES work..please???
@giska1000 - This is you last chance giska1000 to show that you're something other than a fool and tool for people who lie to yours and other faces while lining their pockets:
Admit I never said Junk DNA and tried to tie that to ERVs
Don't say jack else but that, just admit that, no other verbiage. Admit it now and we can continue this conversation
@sol3a1 This is you last chance giska1000 to show that you're something other than a fool and tool for people who lie to yours and other faces while lining their pockets:
...no..this is your last chance to show you are not a fucking idiot...because I NEWER CLAIMED that you said something about junk dna...you fucking evolutionist dumb ass bigot...i just nicely posted to you an article from 2008 to show you how embarrasing it is to use ERV in 2011t as argument HAHAHA for evolution...:)))
@sol3a1 Admit I never said Junk DNA and tried to tie that to ERVs
..you fucking idiot...i newer said you tried to tie junk dna with ERVs...you dont even know or even heard of junk dna you dumb ass....;)))...i just pointed out to you that ERV is such an embarrasment for you to use in 2011th,if you are aware of the fact that ERV argument came from Junk DNA hypothesis that there are some useless ,,leftovers,, and one of them are ERVs placed at certain places among certain animals as ,,broken ...
@giska1000 "you fucking idiot...i newer said you tried to tie junk dna with ERVs" oh yes you did. You admonished me to "get into the 21st century" and realize there is no Junk DNA
I guess you aren't as smart as I thought you were
You certainly are not honorable and as for being "on something" perhaps it's time for you to get off your boyfriend's lap and pull up your pants
@sol3a1 ..sequences,, you oxymoronic little kid...so NO i newer told YOU are the one using junk dna ...because you dont even know what that is....its clear that you are some troll and you just believe something without even studying it......so....my point was(and you should go back to read article i posted and find better answer than ,,well i still believe erv is good proof for evolution,,) that ERVs rested upon junk DNA hypothesis...argument against Intelligent Design and for evolution....
"Intelligent Design for Dummies"
Yep! It sure is!
NeroJoe83 2 months ago
God bless you for your willingness to absorb the slings and arrows of mind-numbed evolutionist Zombies. Thanks!
rac717 3 months ago
so in intelligent design.. this intelligent designer specifically designed diseases
randallfe 4 months ago in playlist More videos from onceforgivennowfree
Dembski methos are used in archeology criminology foresinc science and many other sciences. for example archeologists have methods to determine if a something is a man made tool or just a natural occuring rock.
but if evolutionists don´t like dembski methods then please provide a better method to determine if something was designed
Answerquestions1 6 months ago
@Answerquestions1 Please provide evidence that a snowflake is designed. Please provide evidence that a designer is needed and god is the designer and your god is the one true god.
gregrutz 5 months ago
@gregrutz
, snow flakes are not designed, and they won´t pass dembski filter. the argumet is:
-Everything that passes dembskis filter is designed
- life passes the filter
therefore life is designed.
I can not prove scientificly that my god is the designer
Answerquestions1 5 months ago
@Answerquestions1 So what is the point of ID? It can't even determine what it is trying to prove.
Name someone who can design and build a universe that is not a God.
gregrutz 5 months ago
I always thought that ID was something of an alternative to Evolution. However, on 13:00 and 14:16 Dembski speaks of "chance" and "random[ness]", which has nothing to do with Evolution. So what are you on about?
yvranx 6 months ago
The Cydonia Face is both specified and complex, so it is intelligently designed.
No, wait, it's no longer specified! So it was once intelligently designed, but now isn't.
yvranx 6 months ago
Intelligent Design = God done it.
duracell777 6 months ago
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kelbykross1 6 months ago
People thought the 'face on mars' had specificity to it and we all now know it didn't. apparent specificity does not mean something actually has specificity.
GWJumpman 8 months ago
@GWJumpman Oopsy, I should have checked the other comments before posting mine...
yvranx 6 months ago
It's funny how darwinists can infer evolution in similar genes but they prohibit to infer intelligent design from... design
IloveYOUviruses 8 months ago
@IloveYOUviruses ''can infer evolution in similar genes '' They don't.
Endogenous Retroviruses (ERVs) are lingering remnants of failed viral infection, which occurred in an ancestor's sex cell and got propagated in its offspring. The viral insertion site is completely random and finding one in the same location in two individuals indicates they each had that same ancestor. Humans and chimps have 98,000 ERV in the exact same location.
Common ancestor?
DNA shows how all life is related
gregrutz 5 months ago
Really excellent video series. Very well presented and argued!
Shazoolo 9 months ago
Great job with answering the critics, Matt!
WhiteVV01F 9 months ago
I apreciate this. Because I know the science for God. I do not know how to present this science in any discussion with Athiests. So this is perfect for me to learn the termanology used in most YTube discussions. Thanks Matt!
baysideful 9 months ago
Then the "Shroud of Turin" is a perfect example for creation.
baysideful 9 months ago
Homework you assigned? Oh god I hope you're not a teacher! Those poor kids! Teleological arguments are legitimate arguments, but intelligent design is an intellectually bankrupt field of study that was only meant to combat evolution(for the most part)
PureTheist 9 months ago
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baysideful 9 months ago
Your argument isn't circular Matt. Here's the real problem and I'm sure people will take offense to this but whatever. The truth just is what it is. The issue is that your level of logical understanding is above that of urbanelf and it makes it difficult for him to keep up with your lines of logic. You're spot on with your explanations but your level is way above what most of your pundits understand so their only recourse is to flop around or simply insult you because they don't get what you say
Equestions 9 months ago 2
Funny coincidence, I had an evolution professor named Jonathan Witt.
pineconesaresmallnow 9 months ago
How do you quantify specificity?
sanscredo 9 months ago
On a normal day I would say "Hey, I can't wait to sit down, take notes, and make a video response" But your track record of ignoring arguments you can't answer, and constantly repeating what we've corrected for you, makes it less motivating to waste more time on you.
Still, I want to do it so you do not fool too many people. I should be thankful you have not blocked me from commenting.
spiritualbully 9 months ago
Video response, my fault, didn't take but here's my first shot at it
sol3a1 9 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@sol3a1 - Here's the link: /watch?v=hgphH1nixo4
Let's see if this works
sol3a1 9 months ago
If you can do that then you need to get a job at the Disco 'Tute. They've never been able to do any of what you just stated
sol3a1 9 months ago
Go Read "Finding Darwin's God" by Kenneth R Miller.
Shoregrey 9 months ago
Brother, I may have to steal this idea and do a "presuppositional apologetics" for dummies :-)
theapologeticfront 9 months ago
@theapologeticfront
Please do! :)
onceforgivennowfree 9 months ago
@theapologeticfront you don't need to steal it, we all know by now the same people who use the same arguments
spiritualbully 9 months ago
@houdles0
If the pile of driftwood functions as a wall, that is actually a very low level of specificity. Almost anything can function as a wall. In fact, you could rotate every single one of the logs in any direction, and it would STILL perform the same function. That means the specificity is very low. Hope that clears things up.
onceforgivennowfree 9 months ago
except no one says everything happened by chance, you are basing the entire of id off of a misconception
fighterace2688 9 months ago
Evolution is a creation story in itself -yes< - I am not one to notice ,?sinc3e people implie it to divinity and a god hood. OF LIFE ITSELF . The creation story is the reality of measure. since people adapt to the idea , yes evolution is creationism. STOP FRETTING.
axisapex 9 months ago
Can you run Mount Rushmore and old man in the mountain through Dembski's formula to DEMONSTRATE that it works? Which was the entire point of my comment that you screenshotted in part 1.
And common sense is not a good argument. The moment you invoke "common sense" you're pleading. "Common Sense" says that heavier objects fall faster. So what does that say about a "common sense" argument?
kelarael 9 months ago 4
@kelarael And again with probability (which is what dembski's part of the argument is: a P value)... let's take the lock example.
Let's say the lock has 10 million combinations.
If 10 billion people with 10 billion identical locks, suddenly it's not improbable that millions will get it right. It is improbable that any one INDIVIDUAL will get it right, but not that ANYONE will get it right.
This is the problem with the argument.
kelarael 9 months ago
@kelarael are you doing math with a creationist? What is wrong with you?
spiritualbully 9 months ago
@kelarael
No. some situations (such as mt rushmore), would be too difficult to quantify. However, I will be giving other examples showing mathematical numbers, and why chance is unreasonable. However, if you still hold that his math is WRONG and you can SEE IT, then please show me. Instead what you did was link me to videos that were factually wrong, and which you claimed did a better job then you could of explaining it.
Why is common sense not a good argument? Is that why you dont use it?
onceforgivennowfree 9 months ago
@onceforgivennowfree he just told you why common sense isn't a good argument, because it fails in confrontation with actual science.
spiritualbully 9 months ago
@onceforgivennowfree I told you why. "common sense" says that heavy objects fall faster than lighter ones. In REALITY. They fall at the same speed. I also told you why a probability argument is meaningless when you have a sample size of 1
How many planets do we know there is life on? 1
How many planets do we KNOW there is no life on? 0!
We can be fairly confident that there is no other life capable of producing technology in our solar system, but that's due to evidence which INFORMS probability
kelarael 9 months ago
@kelarael furthermore as can be demonstrated- a RNA chain can be formed naturally in montomorillonite clay. A chain of any length is statistically as probable as any other of the same length, regardless of whether it codes for something or not. The moment you accept the reality that mutations happen you accept that the code can change and that that code is statistically just as probable as any other which renders your P value argument completely meaningless.
kelarael 9 months ago
@kelarael and here's some more common sense for you. The earth is flat and the sun goes around the earth. All makes perfect sense from our perspective, doesn't it?
how about this?
which has the higher probability if you pick numbers at random?
0123456789
or 1728659345?
Common sense would tell you that the chances of getting 0123456789 in order is lower than the other- but the probability is the same. You would say that the second sequence is random, but the first sequence is not.
kelarael 9 months ago
Matt awesome video once again! I must say, it's quite obvious the reason ID is continually misrepresented is because if it were actually presented properly, there would be no logical or scientific argument against it.
P.S Thanks for using my quote and I look forward to the continuation of this series.
fellowservant34 9 months ago
I'm so glad that you're presenting this series. I'm so disappointed that you're unwilling to discuss them beyond this very limited forum.
theowarner 9 months ago
Great video... looking forward to the next one
YhwhKhai 9 months ago
As someone who has been an atheist his whole life,until a few months ago, I can tell you that atheism is pure madness..... I look back on my life and often wonder how I could have been so dumb..... and then I thank God for not quitting on me.
mcap52 9 months ago 2
Conclusive proof of intelligent design wouldn't change my worldview one little bit, so this debate isn't really up my street.
I'm more interested, when all the arguments for & against have been exhaustively presented, in the christians' and muslims' wild non-sequiter that claims that the religions are in any way at all linked to this intelligent agent.
There is a huge abyss between "there is a designer" and "the designer is Yahweh/Allah".
btw did you see my response comments on your vid to me?
NonStampCollector 9 months ago
@NonStampCollector
I suggest you study the historical evidence for the ressurection of Jesus. Have you read any books on this by any top scholars like Gary Habermas?
You could also look into Bible prophecy (ex: 69 weeks of Daniel, etc). Christianity is grounded in history. The koran is not - for example, it claims jesus was not crucified and didn't die on a cross - this goes against all the evidence. I suggest you look into it - the truth is there for all who truly seek.
onceforgivennowfree 9 months ago 7
@onceforgivennowfree I never heard of Habermas, but I don't expect to be surprised.
spiritualbully 9 months ago
good video man.
22complexity 9 months ago
wouldn't the "designer" be WAY MORE complex than the "high level complexities" that you claim require the "designer" as an explanation BECAUSE of their "high level complexities?"
infinityand0 9 months ago
@infinityand0
Yes. That's the way it always works, right? You find a book, you can trace its origin back to an intelligent mind. The mind is way more complex than the book. So yes, you're right!
onceforgivennowfree 9 months ago
@onceforgivennowfree The point is: it doesn't get you anywhere. It leads to an infinite regress. This isn't science. If it is, show me the experiment that you would set up and what you would expect to find, and how this could be falsified. BTW, books, and sculptures, and paintings, and machines do not self-replicate. Therefore, all of the analogies don't really work in reality.
infinityand0 9 months ago
How old do you think the earth is?
Epydemic2020 9 months ago
@Epydemic2020
REALLY old....serveral thousand actually :P
onceforgivennowfree 9 months ago
@onceforgivennowfree
How would your view change if you thought the age of the earth was exponentially larger?
Epydemic2020 9 months ago
@Epydemic2020
Well, my view on what? My view on intelligent design? That wouldn't change, because ID has nothign to do with the age of the earth. Or do you mean my view on something else?
onceforgivennowfree 9 months ago
@Epydemic2020
feel free to PM me if you want...
onceforgivennowfree 9 months ago
@onceforgivennowfree if Epy didPM you, feel free to forward that exchange to my inbox :)
fellowservant34 9 months ago
@onceforgivennowfree Matt im glad idk if you heard,but i saw it on the internet that ID will be taught in texas...i sent you some articles about that i believe...and there is even an article where 800 professors agreed that IDrs should be taught .....but just once thought...i think...actually i am sure that evolutionists are aware that if we start to teach ID...in a few years ...or at least few decades...we ll go from ID to creationism....its inevitable......
giska1000 9 months ago
@Epydemic2020 one thing...i was an evolutionist myself...i was actually number one evolutionist in my class.....and after studying i REALISED that ...well...we can talk about dating methods whole day if you want..:)))...and...at least 9 out of 10 methods suggest young earth....AND some other things in scientific fields..:)))...so if you want to talk about that ok....you are welcome...but just in case you believe in old earth....and darwinism...then...i cannot understand how you can make videos..
giska1000 9 months ago
@Epydemic2020 ...about logic...common sense....philosophy...etc....while you....somehow....actually ..logically...married judeo christianity with darwinism??:/ ...where is logic there...??
giska1000 9 months ago
@giska1000
Do you have reason to conclude the two positions are logically contradictory?
Epydemic2020 9 months ago
@Epydemic2020 yes i have....btw compare genesis and new testament...and you ll see what God ...said....if you somehow find it to be coexistend with darwinism...ok...but then..either you are ignorant...of philosophy,theology,hebrew and greek bible ....or you are ignorant of science...(geology,paleontology...not to mention biology,microbiology,biochemistry,genetics...) ...so...you are definitely ignorant in one of these 2 ...
giska1000 9 months ago
@giska1000
You assume I am ignorant before hearing my arguments. Anyway, I plan to have videos detailing exactly what my beliefs are and why that is the case.
Epydemic2020 9 months ago
@Epydemic2020 well i would appreciate if you tell me what are your arguments for believing in evolution at all...btw i am not against evolution because i am christian or something like that...but because i am for science....i dont argue against evolution because of my faith...but because of science...i was alredy evolutionist and i know every argument some evolutionist can use to support his WORLDVIEW...and RELIGION..not science...so if you want to talk with me about evolution,you ll have to...
giska1000 9 months ago
@Epydemic2020 ...talk....but from scientific perspective...not from christian perspective.....
giska1000 9 months ago
@giska1000
I am not here to defend evolution. If you have scientific objections to evolution then so be it. The only claim I am interested in opposing is your idea that Christianity and evolution are logically contradictory.
Epydemic2020 9 months ago
@Epydemic2020 well....if you earn at least BSc on natural science(more precisely on biology,microbiology,biochemistry and genetics) then you can talk about your faith in darwinism....because if you indeed believe in evolution...than you have problem with science...not to mention philosophy....and even theology,history,logic and christianity...but since you want to talk about christianity vs evolution inconsistence...then ok...is there any reason why you think they are coherent???
giska1000 9 months ago
@giska1000
In the absence of a reason to find them inconsistent, they are consistent. I see no reason to conclude they are logically contradictory. I do think some biblical points are best explained from a theistic evolutionist perspective (such as the tree of life implying that death was already in the world, or the idea that "the garden of eden" is separate from the rest of the world, or the idea that Satan's sin preceded mankinds) but those aren't even necessary to prove mere consistency.
Epydemic2020 9 months ago
@Epydemic2020 ok...right now..IDrs movements rising all over europe...i know you ppl in america alredy have evolution vs creationism and ID debates right now...and it was on the news that texas,louisiana and tenneessee will teach ID in schools too...here in uk and europe(including australia) is almost the same.....scientists and experts,professors and students leaving darwinism just like i did few years ago and turning to ,,where evidence leads,, ....to ID...so here also we witnessing a major...
giska1000 9 months ago
@giska1000 - ".right now..IDrs movements rising all over europe.."
Meth really messes with your mind.
CamW30 9 months ago
@CamW30 ohhh here are you coward...why you escaped from a debate???btw...did you check John Sanford and his genetic entrophy???check all about that...John Sanford began as darwinist and ended up as <EC because he as one of the leading geneticists in world like every single geneticist agrees that our genome declining...check out his videos and his books,articles etc...and then come here and post any lie he told concerning genetics.....cmon..:))
giska1000 9 months ago
@giska1000 "ohhh here are you coward" haha that's a good one.
"check John Sanford and his genetic entrophy" which paper was that? Oh, that's right it wasn't a paper that was peer reviewed but a collection of vids and speaking engagements
The whole premise behind Sanford's work was based on a postulate that said all species would die out in a few generations due to "entropy"
As we know that species last for 100s if not 1000s of generations that postulate was debunked, along with Sanford's "work"
sol3a1 9 months ago
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@sol3a1 "check John Sanford and his genetic entrophy" which paper was that? Oh, that's right it wasn't a paper that was peer reviewed but a collection of vids and speaking engagements
leading geneticist from Cornell University and man with dozens of patterns,inventor of gene gun etc...newer had peer reviewed papers???you little kid...:))) go and check out these things..PLEASE...educate yourself...:))))
giska1000 9 months ago
@sol3a1 The whole premise behind Sanford's work was based on a postulate that said all species would die out in a few generations due to "entropy"
...i love you desperate evolutionists and your claims...:)))..first...people are...usually...well informed in work of Dr John Sanford...so can you tell me ...tell us all here...where and WHEN he claimed such thing????
giska1000 9 months ago
@sol3a1 As we know that species last for 100s if not 1000s of generations that postulate was debunked, along with Sanford's "work"
...ok...evolutionist(ignorant liar)1.who ,,debunked,, his work? 2.when and where he said that all species will soon die out in few generations??? now....if you said this there are either 2 options...1.you are troll....and 2. you are so poorly indoctrinated that you are WILLING to lie about other people just to somehow ,,discredit,, them because ....
giska1000 9 months ago
@sol3a1 ...of their disbelief in theory of evolution...so instead comiung here and claiming these things you should actually post evidence or send at least videos where he stated such things...ok????oh and DEFINITELY post here and send videos of scientists and geneticists who ,,debunked,, him ...ok???it would be much appreciated..:)))
giska1000 9 months ago
@giska1000 - Um, "disbelief" is a matter of faith. Either you accept the evidence or you ignore it. IDist and Creationists choose to cover their eyes and ears and ignore it as it conflicts with a book written 1600 years ago
As for "providing evidence" it is up to the person who makes the claim to back it up with little things like evidence, research and more
It's the same for someone claiming they found a new sub atomic particle, they provide the evidence for their claim
Sanford's not done that
sol3a1 9 months ago
@sol3a1 oh wait...the best thing is...you ....almost...lol...mentioned...evidence for evolution...right???why dont ypu post here evidence for evolution???(i alredy know everythinbg you ll post but go ahead)...post it here-....because...you must be right...why does so many people on earth today in 2011th leaving...darwinism..and following evidence where it leads...to IDrs and Creation...especially here in europe and uk...??:)))give evidence PLEASE...:D
giska1000 9 months ago
@giska1000 "oh wait...the best thing is...you ....almost...lol...mentioned...evidence for evolution...right?" sure, there's tons of it
"why dont ypu post here evidence for evolution?" Sure, what is evidence to you? Have you seen AronRa's great work? What about Don Exodus and his work?
"why does so many people on earth today in 2011th leaving...darwinism" what are you taling about? People leaving darwinism? Guess what, I'm not a "darwinist" I'm also not an "Einsteinist" nor a "Salkist".....
sol3a1 9 months ago
@sol3a1 "why dont ypu post here evidence for evolution?" Sure, what is evidence to you? Have you seen AronRa's great work? What about Don Exodus and his work?
WTF..??are you serious??you want me to watch videos of some aronra and donexodus ...and other you tube wannabe scientists and ,,experts,,???-.- ...you bloody americans...you dumb ass american people...-.- ...why you instead fo that said to me to go and ask experts,or...study biology etc..???:)))oh...i think i know....
giska1000 9 months ago
@giska1000 "'Have you seen AronRa's .... Don Exodus work?'
WTF..??are you serious??you want me to watch videos of some aronra and donexodus ...and other you tube wannabe scientists and ,,experts,,?"
They have some great vids and even tell you how to go look the stuff up yourself. So I take it you want it spoon fed to you?
"you bloody americans...you dumb ass american people" ah, what a retort.
Halt den schnabel. Was machst du so toll?
"to me to go and ask experts" who's your idea of an expert?
sol3a1 9 months ago
@sol3a1 hey have some great vids and even tell you how to go look the stuff up yourself. So I take it you want it spoon fed to you?
...are you serious?? ahaha...first...yes i wathced their videos ...2nd. no they didnt tell ANYTHING...especially if you consider the fact that they are not even relevant to teach anybody here,so instead of recommending me you tubers and their videos,why dont you PLEASE go to real science,professors and relevant experts...?????
giska1000 9 months ago
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@sol3a1 Halt den schnabel. Was machst du so toll?
....was man unter,, was im gut,,???
who's your idea of an expert?
...ummm..professors of biology,experts like alan feduccia,kenneth miller,peter atkins,stephen jay gould,john sanford,craig venter,e.o wilson...etc...etc..
giska1000 9 months ago
@sol3a1 Okay Mr. BSc, I guess the curriculum in Greece is a lot easier and less stringent
...ummm...surely..cradle of western civilisation and cradle of science and almost all branches of science is easier...LOL lol..LOL..tw greece is member of eu...eu member countries have graduates going under education of EU standard...expertizing choosen fields in any country member of eu they(we ) want...so whole EU has certain standard(no.1) standard of education on earth ....:)))
giska1000 9 months ago
@sol3a1 ...its because i am in Europe...the best place for education on earth...oh..should i also say that i also have BSc degrees in molekularna biologija(one subject,fusion of biology,microbiology,genetics and biochemistry) including MSc degree in natural science and diplomas in philosophy and history(including historicity of religions and ancient world)???...so why would i fall so short of my knowledge and go to watch videos made by some american you tubers and wannabe ,,scientists,,???
giska1000 9 months ago
@giska1000 "its because i am in Europe...the best place for education on earth" yet you squander it by listening to people even people in the US think are stupid
"BSc degrees in molekularna biologija" you do? really? Wow, and you stated that the European model is better! Ha, what a joke
Okay Mr. BSc, I guess the curriculum in Greece is a lot easier and less stringent
Let's see if you know this:
What is ERV and how is it used?
sol3a1 9 months ago
@sol3a1 Endogenous retroviruses you mean???ok...since you ll use ERV as ,,proof,, for common descent right??may i just debunk this catastrophical myth,because ERV and ,,junk,, DNA was used as proof for evolution and today...actually in last 2 weks,IDrs busting your ass with ,,junk,,DNA myth...check out Jonathan Wells myth of junk dna too...:)))).....
giska1000 9 months ago
@giska1000 "Endogenous retroviruses you mean?" good. So could you explain why some ERVs are found throughout several , but not all, genera and species of a given family, other ERVs are only found in the species of specific genus but there are other ERVs that are only found in a few species of a genus and not the whole genus?
How does Creation/ID explain that?
"actually in last 2 weks,IDrs busting your ass with" not mine
"Jonathan Wells myth" that about says it all
So let's start with ERVs
sol3a1 9 months ago
@sol3a1 The presumption behind his argument is that endogenous retroviruses (ERVs) are functionless stretches of "junk" DNA that persist because they are "selfish"--but they have no function for the organism. If we find the same ERVs in the same genetic loci in different species of primates, Theobald concludes they document common ancestry. But what if ERVs do perform important genetic functions?
giska1000 9 months ago
@giska1000 "The presumption behind his argument is that endogenous retroviruses (ERVs) are functionless stretches of "junk" DNA that persist because they are "selfish"--but they have no function for the organism"
Very good but I see that you like to spout off on a lot of tangents but I'll stick to the ERV as great evidence for Evolution
"If we find the same ERVs in the same genetic loci in different species of primates" and what is so special about those species of primates with those ERV?
sol3a1 9 months ago
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@sol3a1 Very good but I see that you like to spout off on a lot of tangents but I'll stick to the ERV as great evidence for Evolution
....OMG what??and why???it would be ok if we are in 1980s,90s or even early 00s ......but today...ever since 2009th...to use ERV and ,,junk,, DNA as proof...it is embarrassing...one of the latest hall of shame members concerning neo darwinian theory of evolution....
giska1000 9 months ago
@sol3a1 Even theistic evolutionist Francis Collins acknowledges that genetic similarity "alone does not, of course, prove a common ancestor" because a designer could have "used successful design principles over and over again." (The Language of God, pg. 134.) The force of Theobald's argument thus depends upon the premise that ERVs are selfish genetic "junk" that do not necessarily perform any useful function for their host.
giska1000 9 months ago
@sol3a1 In contrast, ID proponents would predict function for ERVs. This isn't because ID has an inherent quarrel with common descent--it doesn't. Rather, ID predicts function because the basis for ID's predictions is observations of how intelligent agents design things, and intelligent agents tend to design objects that perform some kind of function.
giska1000 9 months ago
@sol3a1 As William Dembski wrote in 1998, "If, on the other hand, organisms are designed, we expect DNA, as much as possible, to exhibit function." It seems that the expectations of ID are turning out to be right.
A 2008 paper, "Retroviral promoters in the human genome," in the journal Bioinformatics (Vol. 24(14):1563--1567 (2008)) discusses the fact that "Endogenous retrovirus ....
giska1000 9 months ago
@sol3a1 (ERV) elements have been shown to contribute promoter sequences that can initiate transcription of adjacent human genes.
The article thus "analyzed genome sequence and high-throughput expression data to systematically evaluate the presence of retroviral promoters in the human genome."
The results were striking:
We report the existence of 51,197 ERV-derived promoter sequences that initiate transcription within the human genome, including 1743 .....
giska1000 9 months ago
@sol3a1 ..cases where transcription is initiated from ERV sequences that are located in gene proximal promoter or 5' untranslated regions (UTRs).
ur analysis revealed that retroviral sequences in the human genome encode tens-of-thousands of active promoters; transcribed ERV sequences correspond to 1.16% of the human genome sequence and PET tags that capture transcripts initiated from ERVs cover 22.4% of the genome. These data suggest that ERVs may regulate human transcription on a large scale.
giska1000 9 months ago
@sol3a1 (Andrew B. Conley, Jittima Piriyapongsa and I. King Jordan, "Retroviral promoters in the human genome," Bioinformatics, Vol. 24(14):1563--1567 (2008).)
...oh...but PLEASE..i know you are not in touch with science of year 2011th so do you want me to send you articles about EMBARRASSING ,,JUNK,, DNA latest member of evolution-hall of shame ???please....if you want i ll send you everything via PM about any argument you have concerning evolution ok good sir???:)))
giska1000 9 months ago
@giska1000 "i know you are not in touch with science of year 2011th so do you want me to send you articles about EMBARRASSING ,,JUNK," the only one calling it "Junk DNA" is you
Please follow along and stop embarrassing yourself
Where have I ever called it Junk DNA?
Please learn to read and think
sol3a1 9 months ago
@sol3a1 Where have I ever called it Junk DNA?
Please learn to read and think
...ummm....because whole ERV ,,argument,, was used along with ,,junk,, DNA argument as proof for evolution...as soon as it was found today that there is no junk DNA nor functionless and broken ERV sequences in our genome....you lost 2 arguments instantly....is there any other argument for ....evolution...??
giska1000 9 months ago
@giska1000 - Me to you "Where have I ever called it Junk DNA?"
You "Please learn to read and think"
In other words I caught your ass in a lie about me and now you're trying to weasel out of it. You my be intelligent but you are not wise. You jump to conclusions, assume to much and with limited information, make pronouncements your ass can't cash
Now, where did I ever say anything about Junk DNA? Answer this or be labeled a fool and and ass and not worth anyone's time
sol3a1 9 months ago
@sol3a1 Me to you "Where have I ever called it Junk DNA?"
You "Please learn to read and think"
....AND THEN ME....AGAIN...listen you are either ignorant or....uneducated....i said because of junk dna argument ERVs were used as proof against IDrs and FOR evolution and common ancestor because it was BELIEVED by evolutionists that ERVs are broken sequences in certain genes which is DISPROVEN...i just posted you whole article about ERVs and how it is dismissed as proof for evolution...AND YOU...
giska1000 9 months ago
@giska1000 - Answer the question as you have gone out of your way to set up a strawman and burn it to the ground and attempted to show that I was making a connection that I know doesn't exist
You on the other hand are dishonest and lie through your teeth
NOW POINT OUT WHERE I SAID ANYTHING ABOUT JUNK DNA or be a fool and a liar who has no morals, scruples or honesty at all
You tried to tar and feather me with a lie that Creationists use (they lie all the time) and made it seem as I was doing it
sol3a1 9 months ago
@sol3a1 Answer the question as you have gone out of your way to set up a strawman and burn it to the ground and attempted to show that I was making a connection that I know doesn't exist
...like i said...you are COMPLETE MORON...you want me to think you are an grown fuckin man,and supposedly ,,educated,, and you newer knew that ERV argument came from Junk DNA hypothesis???
giska1000 9 months ago
@giska1000 "like i said...you are COMPLETE MORON" in other words you realize you got your butt in a sling and can't admit when you're not just wrong but bearing false witness
Sorry but you asked me to provide evidence for Evolution and when I asked about EVRs you went off on a complete tangent about how I need to "get an education on Junk DNA and how it is not junk" then to read a book by J Wells
I asked a simple question to show where I said anything about Junk DNA
You've no honor nor integrity
sol3a1 9 months ago
@sol3a1 NOW POINT OUT WHERE I SAID ANYTHING ABOUT JUNK DNA or be a fool and a liar who has no morals, scruples or honesty at all
...you fucking idiot...you gav e me ERV as an argument for evolution...I POSTED YOU A FUCKING ARTICLE where it clearly shows that ERV(which came from ,,junk,, DNA hypothesis) was clearly disproved in 2008 you fucking blind magot.....
giska1000 9 months ago
@sol3a1 You tried to tar and feather me with a lie that Creationists use (they lie all the time) and made it seem as I was doing it
....hahahahaha...:)))...you little idiot...you tripping something???:D ....i newer tried to do anything but to post you a fucking article where ERVis dismissed just as Junk DNA is dismissed,ERV is not even used anymore,and ..unfortunatelly ...some ...evolutionists still trying to wash their hands from these ,,arguments,, they sometime used so proudly...
giska1000 9 months ago
@giska1000 ".i newer tried to do anything but to post you a fucking article where ERVis dismissed just as Junk DNA is dismissed" WHICH WAS DONE BY SCIENCE. Junk DNA is only used by Creation/ID idiots to lie
ALL I ASKED ABOUT ERV and then you went off at the mouth like a punk slobbering all over his boyfriend's unit
Again you have no shame, honor, integrity, morals not scruples. You are incapable of having a dialogue with because you have no decency to shut up and stick to the matter at hand
sol3a1 9 months ago
@sol3a1 WHICH WAS DONE BY SCIENCE. Junk DNA is only used by Creation/ID idiots to lie
...yes you are right...Junk DNA was dismissed by evolutionist shitheads...IDrs and creationists PREDICTED ,,junk,, DNA is pretty useful and complex and we should search more and see that there is no junk or ,,leftovers,, in our DNA genome as evolutionists(anti science movement) claimed....and REAL SCIENCE discovered LIKE ALWAYS that IDrs and Creationists were right...:)))...
giska1000 9 months ago
@sol3a1 ALL I ASKED ABOUT ERV and then you went off at the mouth like a punk slobbering all over his boyfriend's unit
...ok...its so obvious you newer went to college...i think you are not even in highschool...so please until you learn whole microbiology,genetics and biology including...biochemistry...you SHALL stop embarrassing yourself here please...:)))..
giska1000 9 months ago
@giska1000 "ok...its so obvious you newer went to college" hehe, think what you want but wait, it's obvious you can't
"IDrs and creationists PREDICTED" nothing, never have never will. Show us one paper, one discovery by an IDist. On second thought, you'll probably go off on to exploded beetles
As for the rest, you asked for evidence but can't keep you r yap shut and have shown yourself to be a fool, a liar and an idiot
As for ERVs they are great for evolution
sol3a1 9 months ago
@sol3a1 "IDrs and creationists PREDICTED" nothing, never have never will. Show us one paper, one discovery by an IDist. On second thought, you'll probably go off on to exploded beetles
...ummm...you mean they predicted junk dna is false...junk dna is actually useful...useless(vestigial organs are actually useful and not vestigial),neanderthals were just as humans and not dimmwits,natural selection is not driving force,cell is not simple its INCREDIBLY COMPLEX...there is order in universe....
giska1000 9 months ago
@sol3a1 ....our genome declining...genetic entrophy,mutations are dangerous and cannot create anything new,cannot add information,or create new information that newer existed before in organism or transform organism from one kind into another kind of organism....also they predicted we ll find design within organisms,cells,bacteria...etc..IDrs and creationists also predicted x other things and we can talk about them surely and all of them were proven RIGHT and every single aspect of evolution...
giska1000 9 months ago
@giska1000 - Good bye giska1000. All I can say is may the Bosnians live forever and the Croatians take their rightful place
You can't speak with people as you will not listen to anything they have to say. That "style" is known as "YELLING AT THE OTHER PERSON SO THEY CAN'T GET A WORD IN EDGEWISE"
good day
sol3a1 9 months ago
@sol3a1 lool stupid kid...i know you like bosnians(islamized serbs) and croatians(latinized serbs) because you are an dumb uneducated worm....:))
You can't speak with people as you will not listen to anything they have to say. That "style" is known as "YELLING AT THE OTHER PERSON SO THEY CAN'T GET A WORD IN EDGEWISE"
..is this your argument for ERVs???i hope its not...because you still wont show best evidence for evolution and you STILL refuse to explain how ERV is still proof for evolution..
giska1000 9 months ago
@sol3a1 ..even if all data from latest scientific research backed up claims of IDrs and creationist proponents and again failed to prove darwinian theory of evolution....may i say to you...please...stop being WILLINGLY ignorant...pray to God and dont be one of these people that-
:20For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
giska1000 9 months ago
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@sol3a1 21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
...you should repent sincerely and study everything...especially science and theory of evolution...and then you ll see how foolish it is just like it is written in romans 1st chapter...to believe in such thing as theory of evolution...
giska1000 9 months ago
@sol3a1 - giska says that he looks at all evidence for evolution, but I've caught him cut-&-pasting from the DI website. If you read his recent posts with you, you'll notice that he thinks an ERV is a gene. He has no comprehension of how pieces of ERVs mutate to codons, nor what a codon is. He doesn't understand nested hierarchies with reference to ERVs.
He has no intelligence; he just steals his info from creationist websites. He doesn't understand the science. He is just a sad Greek butt-boy.
CamW30 9 months ago
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@CamW30 - giska says that he looks at all evidence for evolution, but I've caught him cut-&-pasting from the DI website.
....cmon...name me ID sites i used here to prove somethig??and not only that,but lets tell my why would it be ,,bad,, anyway??you dumb ass canadian moron????
If you read his recent posts with you, you'll notice that he thinks an ERV is a gene.
...ummm...what???
giska1000 9 months ago
@CamW30 He has no comprehension of how pieces of ERVs mutate to codons, nor what a codon is. He doesn't understand nested hierarchies with reference to ERVs.
...cmon...you explain...dumb ass canadian wannabe ,,lecturer,, and professor from buttfuck tenesee???
He has no intelligence; he just steals his info from creationist websites.
...like i said..name them???cmon??i can see hpw desperate you are...you just showed how dishonest you are...typical dumb uneducated canadian litte cunt...:))
giska1000 9 months ago
@giska1000 - ".cmon...you explain"
Why, are you unable to look it up yourself?. I wouldn't waste my time teaching someone who is unable to comprehend.
"typical dumb uneducated canadian litte cunt"
Why would you want me to teach you then? At least I can type in complete sentences & stay on topic. Are you bipolar disorder; it certain looks like it from your writing style & content. Perhaps see a doctor about that (if they have doctors in Greece; if not, maybe see an oracle).
CamW30 9 months ago
@sol3a1 - giska thinks that Greek scientists & standard of living are tops in the world. What a goof!.
His writing style suggests meth addiction or untreated bipolar disorder (hence the inability to stay on topic).
Many others have given him examples of beneficial mutations in humans, but he just dismisses them out of hand. E.g. He says that the prolongation of lactase in adulthood isn't beneficial because in raises cholesterol, leading to heart problems.
You can't take this guy seriously.
CamW30 9 months ago
@CamW30 - Yeah I wrote him off as a goof off fraud who likes to read his posts and respond on what he wants to say, not what someone else said
He's a waste of time but I wanted to give him every opportunity so only the most deranged YEC/IDiot can say I didn't try to offer up a discussion with evidence for Evolution
What an ass he is
sol3a1 9 months ago
@sol3a1 - Yeah I wrote him off as a goof off fraud who likes to read his posts and respond on what he wants to say, not what someone else said
...oh...so either you 2 are desperate,jobless,mad and fucking disgusting ,,adults,, ...or you are CamW30 with another account???
He's a waste of time
....no..you are waste of time my friend....when i posted you article concerning ERVs as argument for evolution(now used as argument for design along with junk DNA)you only said..,,well,i still BELIEVE..
giska1000 9 months ago
@sol3a1 ...ERVs are good evidence for evolution,,....i mean can you hear yourself you fucking moron???yeah,you can believe whatever you want,but dont call it science you little dumb ass jack bag bitch....especially not in 2011th...;))
I wanted to give him every opportunity so only the most deranged YEC/IDiot can say I didn't try to offer up a discussion with evidence for Evolution
....ahaha...you wanted to give me an opportunity??what are you??are you some expert??...professor??
giska1000 9 months ago
@sol3a1 ...oh right...judging by your posts you are NOTHING...you are NOONE..just like your little online friend Camcuntw30 ...desperate poor little cunts...going around and talking about people,lying...you 2 right now proved how filthy you are...and ...ummmm....evidence for evolution???i know you tried...but...where is evidence for evolution???
What an ass he is
...what a monkey ass you are...:))..poor little disgusting lying midget...;))
giska1000 9 months ago
@CamW30 giska thinks that Greek scientists & standard of living are tops in the world.
...UMMMM...greece in in EUROPE....:))---and member of EU...;)))--why dont you check out life standard,standard of education...etc..etc....in eu??and every eu member nation you dumb ass desperate uninformed canadian cunt???:)))
Many others have given him examples of beneficial mutations in humans, but he just dismisses them out of hand.
...ahhh...now you crossed your line you fucking idiot...ok...
giska1000 9 months ago
@CamW30 ...ok..listen..i am not mad...i just cannot believe how desperate and retarded you canadians and specifically evolutionists are...if this is the best you can...IF THIS..these posts and ,,arguments,, are the best you can...then i feel so sorry for you...and especially for your ,,family,,..if you have some family at all...you dusty,raggedy,dumb piece of canadian shit that calls himself professor and even ,,lecturer,,....:))...i think its hard for you to watch yourself in the mirror...
giska1000 9 months ago
@CamW30 He says that the prolongation of lactase in adulthood isn't beneficial because in raises cholesterol, leading to heart problems.
...first of all this is basic medical fact...it eaises triglycerides and increaseing risk...instantly increasing risk of trombosis and sudden heart death or stroke...etc...if you knew basic facts concerning medicine ...you would know this...and at the end of the day...HOW IN THE FUCKING WORLD..lactaze would be beneficial,when i asked you to explain.....
giska1000 9 months ago
@CamW30 ...in darwinian term???:..you know that lactaze is completely useless mutation....and it cannot transform any existing kind of animal to another kind of animal...it is completely useless mutation,i asked you for mutation DARWINIANS looking for...why you wont gave such???fucking punk...:)))
giska1000 9 months ago
@sol3a1 ...right now is proven to be WRONG...I ALREDY ASKED YOU TO SHOW ME one WHERE EVOLUTION IS RIGHT...OK??:))..also you said IDrs and Creationists newer invented or discovered ANYTHING..its pretty bold claim concerning that EVERYTHING created today and invented today...whole science..rest upon creationists and IDrd and their inventions,and i can post you whole bunch of greatest scientists of whole times that discovered almost everything we have today,including term natural selection and ....
giska1000 9 months ago
@sol3a1 ...EVERYTHING about theory of evolution...ell..at least darwinian theory of evolution was born thanks to creationists and IDrs...(ohh yes just dont tell me you dont now history of science because ill embarrase you)...whole modern genetics ret upon discoveries of father of modern genetics A MONK gregor mendel....creationist....then i can go on and on about scientists that were creationists and IDrs and invented almost everything we have today....
giska1000 9 months ago
@sol3a1 Again you have no shame, honor, integrity, morals not scruples. You are incapable of having a dialogue with because you have no decency to shut up and stick to the matter at hand
...you are .1complete idiot 2.willingly ignorant bigot 3.uneducated blind kid with down syndrom or...you just playing stupid here...HOW CAN WE STICK TO THE MATTER concerning ERV as proof for EVOLUTION???WTF ....
giska1000 9 months ago
@giska1000 - So you want to continue this? Fine but show me you can do 1 thing first and ONLY 1 thing. Keep the response to it and it alone, no insults
Say that I didn't say anything about ERVs and Junk DNA
That's all
I will be using ERVs for evidence for Evolution though
sol3a1 9 months ago
@sol3a1 ..evolutionists newer invented ANYTHING except they came up with ,,story telling,, in science..and they started to tell stories about how life might have emerged etc,they also invented racism,nazism and term ,,inferior race,, ....etc etc....they ,,discovered,, so many things which were proven wrong...every single one of them..should i start concerning fossils??and then go to every other field to show you how science of 21st century disproved and dismissed everything....
giska1000 9 months ago
@sol3a1 ...concerning theory of evolution...even ,,survival of the fittest,, is proven wrong ...especially among bacteria..now you have survival of the slowest,survival of the kindest...etc...kin selection is rejected by e.o. wilson ...the man that ,,discovered,, it...what is ...where is ONE THING ..discovered BY EVOLUTIONISTS today???is there one thing???
Say that I didn't say anything about ERVs and Junk DNA
..yes you used ERVs...and since you used it as ,,proof,, every educated normal...
giska1000 9 months ago
@sol3a1 ...man that knows biology will say that you immediately believe in junk dna hypothesis...just like if you use Lucy as ,,missing link,, ..everyone will believe that you think ,,fossil record,, is real deal and you believe that fossils prove evolution...its the same...i just pointed out that you CANNOT USE ERVs as proof for evolution,you can use them for Intelligent Design ONLY...but not anymore....because junk dna and of course ERVs are proven WRONG...not useless..not junk...
giska1000 9 months ago
@sol3a1 ...and DEFINITELY not broken sequences and leftovers of our common ancestors as an result of evolution over milions..AND MIIILIONS...of years...:)))..
I will be using ERVs for evidence for Evolution though
...ok..you can..you can use it in your imagination,just like i can use kikiriki peannut butter for intelligent design..but you ll have to refute previous article and explain here WHY erv is proof for evolution???:)))-.-
giska1000 9 months ago
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@giska1000 "HOW CAN WE STICK TO THE MATTER concerning ERV as proof for EVOLUTION???WTF" right after you admit what I've been asking for about how I never said anything about "Junk DNA"
That was your strawman
Now just admit that, and say nothing else first
If you do, then we can go on
sol3a1 9 months ago
@sol3a1 - sol, you are wasting your time with this git. He tells so many lies that he can't keep them straight. He gave me a list of degrees that he had that turned into a general science BSc & a diploma. I called him on his age (22) & he said he was 25 & he started on YT 3 years ago. He doesn't realize that ages update automatically on your profile. His parents are major scientists a CERN, but he lives in Greece. He thinks that Greeks discovered evolution.
Don't waste your time with this troll
CamW30 9 months ago
@CamW30 sol, you are wasting your time with this git. He tells so many lies that he can't keep them straight.
...ummm..likes....like???
He gave me a list of degrees that he had that turned into a general science BSc & a diploma. I called him on his age (22) & he said he was 25 & he started on YT 3 years ago.
...canadian...:)))..canadian...:)))..i came on yt in 2009...i had 22....it is 2011th...why is it ,,lie,, to tell my age in 2011th??...-.-
giska1000 9 months ago
@giska1000 - "i came on yt in 2009...i had 22....it is 2011th...why is it ,,lie,, to tell my age in 2011"
LOL, The age on your profile automatically increases every year. If you were 25, it would show 25. Goof!
"show me how to change nmber of my age"
Why would I help you?
"that theory of evolution was first suggested in around 6 b.c."
Anaximander came up with natural selection? You are stupid (or you don't understand the concept of evolution). Probably both. Greeks live in past; no future.
CamW30 9 months ago
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@CamW30 He doesn't realize that ages update automatically on your profile.
...LOL...lol....ok..show me how to change nmber of my age on profile please???
His parents are major scientists a CERN, but he lives in Greece. He thinks that Greeks discovered evolution.
...what??so YOU DONT KNOW...that theory of evolution was first suggested in around 6 b.c by greek philosopher Anaximander and was taught in certain parts og greece before your dumb ass people even immigrated in canada???:))))
giska1000 9 months ago
@sol3a1 ...ONLY CAME AND GAVE AN ANSWER like ,,well,i still believe ERVs are good proof for evolution,, .....
So if you are still willingly ignorant and you ll still use ERVs as proof for evolution than you are younger than i thought....maybe you are 6???or 7??...whats next???you ll still use nebraska man as proof for evolution???i mean its ok that n.man was fraud,but according to your logic you ll still believe that it is good example for evolution...right???
giska1000 9 months ago
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@sol3a1 In other words I caught your ass in a lie about me and now you're trying to weasel out of it. You my be intelligent but you are not wise. You jump to conclusions, assume to much and with limited information, make pronouncements your ass can't cash
.....ahaha ummmm ???somebody is really mad here...and it aint me....:))):S
giska1000 9 months ago
@sol3a1 Now, where did I ever say anything about Junk DNA? Answer this or be labeled a fool and and ass and not worth anyone's time
...ok...silly little child...you cant learn this in high school,so you ll wait until you go to college and learn that ERVs argument for evolution...rested upon myth that there was ,,junk,, DNA in genome....and ERVs were just useless broken sequences placed at at certain place among certain organisms....etc..e.tc..:))...now...,,junk,, DNA ....
giska1000 9 months ago
@sol3a1 ...(including ERVs) is dismissed as false because both Junk(which means ERVs too) are amazingly useful complex and multifunctional...ERVs is not used as argument for evolution but for Intellignet Design...it is clearly placed at right place with specific complexity and multifunctions that cannot be explained by anything except Intelligence....so JUNK DNA and its child ERVs are..one of the members of evolutionary theory-hall of shame frauds,myths,lies and false predictions ..:)) get it??
giska1000 9 months ago
@sol3a1 btw sir...why would you believe in evolution so hard and call it fact...when we both know...lets be honest...if you ever went to university you should know that evolution contradicts to everything we observe in nature....including natural selection(its not driving force of evolution cane toads-speedy toads disproved n.selectionas driving force) and random mutation...what can i say about random mutation??if you ever studied genetics you ll know that random mutation cannot increase....
giska1000 9 months ago
@giska1000 - let me be very, very blunt about this. STOP GOING OFF ON TANGENTS. You asked for "evidence for Evolution" and I am prepared to bring up ERVs. Not "Junk DNA" as the only people who continue to use that term are Creationists and IDists
Why?
Perhaps to show that science is not infallible. So what? Science fails then corrects itself. That is the difference between science and creationism: Science discards what doesn't work and moves on
Creationism repackages the same lie over again
sol3a1 9 months ago
@sol3a1 - let me be very, very blunt about this. STOP GOING OFF ON TANGENTS. You asked for "evidence for Evolution" and I am prepared to bring up ERVs.
...you are an idiot because i clearly posted you scientific article about ERVs and how they are dismissed as proof for evolution and what you did??you just responded like ,,i still believe ERV is good evidence for evolution,,??how can you be so ignorant and still use ERV as argument for anything except ID and how can you be so stupid ...or...
giska1000 9 months ago
@sol3a1 ...blind...maybe even wicked to refuse to see connection between Junk DNA and ERVs??you dont even know your own ,,arguments,, for Gods sake,are you serious???
Perhaps to show that science is not infallible. So what? Science fails then corrects itself. That is the difference between science and creationism: Science discards what doesn't work and moves on
..well what DOES work when it comes to evolutionary theory???what DOES work..please???
giska1000 9 months ago
@giska1000 - This is you last chance giska1000 to show that you're something other than a fool and tool for people who lie to yours and other faces while lining their pockets:
Admit I never said Junk DNA and tried to tie that to ERVs
Don't say jack else but that, just admit that, no other verbiage. Admit it now and we can continue this conversation
sol3a1 9 months ago
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@sol3a1 This is you last chance giska1000 to show that you're something other than a fool and tool for people who lie to yours and other faces while lining their pockets:
...no..this is your last chance to show you are not a fucking idiot...because I NEWER CLAIMED that you said something about junk dna...you fucking evolutionist dumb ass bigot...i just nicely posted to you an article from 2008 to show you how embarrasing it is to use ERV in 2011t as argument HAHAHA for evolution...:)))
giska1000 9 months ago
@sol3a1 Admit I never said Junk DNA and tried to tie that to ERVs
..you fucking idiot...i newer said you tried to tie junk dna with ERVs...you dont even know or even heard of junk dna you dumb ass....;)))...i just pointed out to you that ERV is such an embarrasment for you to use in 2011th,if you are aware of the fact that ERV argument came from Junk DNA hypothesis that there are some useless ,,leftovers,, and one of them are ERVs placed at certain places among certain animals as ,,broken ...
giska1000 9 months ago
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@giska1000 "you fucking idiot...i newer said you tried to tie junk dna with ERVs" oh yes you did. You admonished me to "get into the 21st century" and realize there is no Junk DNA
I guess you aren't as smart as I thought you were
You certainly are not honorable and as for being "on something" perhaps it's time for you to get off your boyfriend's lap and pull up your pants
sol3a1 9 months ago
@sol3a1 ..sequences,, you oxymoronic little kid...so NO i newer told YOU are the one using junk dna ...because you dont even know what that is....its clear that you are some troll and you just believe something without even studying it......so....my point was(and you should go back to read article i posted and find better answer than ,,well i still believe erv is good proof for evolution,,) that ERVs rested upon junk DNA hypothesis...argument against Intelligent Design and for evolution....
giska1000 9 months ago