well i think if somebody has had brain surgery 8 or 9 different times that might affect somebodies emotional state of mind, that's just me though I guess we have to rely on savage cause hes an expert on neurology.
I am OCD and have severe anxiety and panic attacks. I do not believe in taking medications anymore for it. Meds made me psycho and really screwed me up. But that does not mean OCD is not a real disorder. I have been helped with cognitive behavioral therapy.
@eos420 This is a good comment. OCD is a VERY real disorder and the meds out there for it usually do make it worse over time. Michael Savage is way off his rocker on this one.Typical of these types of talk show hosts though.They think they know it all even when it comes to mental conditions.He really knows nothing about it and it's more than likely because he's never suffered from it. If you aren't going to understand a disorder, at least don't try and talk intelligently about it
You have no knowledge over anything; not just this topic, but everything else you say. If George Carlin were alive, he would revise his bullshit story.
Science proves you wrong. Go put your tin foil hat back on. I was diagnosed with it in 2nd grade and I have trouble in school to this day and I'm in college now. I've known other people with ADD/ADHD and OCD and some are a complete mess while others like me can lead normal lives. SO STFU Savage.
I have ADD and I choose not to take meds. I definitely do think It's real for some people. I'm a sort of daydreaming intellectual who has spend countless hours in class studying the way my mind works and I am positive that there is a disorder that causes the mind to be physically incapable of forcing itself to focus on something. I have every desire to be very academic and attentive, but find that I simply cannot do it. I do "manage" my ADHD, but I still struggle a lot in school.
Yep i remeber that one vividly you feel almost sick with aniexety cause you're never sure if you missed something. Not fun. Someone needs to take mr. savage out into the street and beat him. Ill give him props for free speech, but apart from that if anyone takes this seriously then they are in for a world of problems.
ADD is bullshit, I thought I had it. They wanted to give me ridaline. Thank God my mother said no don't give my son that shit. You know what I wasn't that smart and yet I wroked hard and studied more then most kids and I got descent grades. ADD is an excuse for kids who are morons and don't wanna work. I remember on south park there's a way to help kids with this fake disease. Most of you know what I'm talking about and I think it works.
What he is saying is so completely wrong and outlandish it's disturbing. "re-writes/ re-reads assignments, thats the mark of a good student"? I had this symptom, it's normal if you do it once or twice, but when you do it 50 times because you didn't feel like you wrote a certain letter "just right", it goes from being normal to abnormal, and starts to become a drain on your life and mental well being.
What about someone like howard huges? Were modern drug companies making up OCD back then? No because that's not possible and means michael savage is full of shit. Real OCD is under reported and is usually only identified when the person starts losing control of their lives because of it. The fact that he's talking about OCD and ADD at the same time tells me he has no idea what the huge differences between the two are.
Ok, this is nonsense. My son has legitimate OCD. He really SUFFERS with this...and excessive worries doesn't even begin to address real OCD. Perhaps you should talk to people who DO have this disorder and ASK them what it is like to live with OCD.
"Perhaps you should talk to people who DO have this disorder and ASK them what it is like to live with OCD. "
I've lived with it since I was 13, It's like uncontrollable self mental torture. The meds while not my favorite thing in the world do in fact work and let me live a more normal life. Michael Savage is completely full of shit, and horrifically ignorant. I feel sorry for the people who take what he says seriously.
I believe OCD and ADD are WAY over-diagnosed, but not that they don't exist. If anything, more parents are horrible parents and don't understand that kids have short attention spans and lots of energy.
Also, most people feed their children horrible toxins everyday all day. The Monsantos of the world are probably more to blame than the (whatever pharma corps) who make Ritalin, etc.
Everytime I see a child with an aspartame-laden diet pop, I want to punch a parent in the throat.
If only he knew what it was like. It's a shame he couldn't wake up with OCD for a day. How can he be so certain OCD doesn't exist? I guess what can you expect from a guy who thinks children with autism are just badly behaved. What a sorry man Michael Weiner is.
If you listen to Michael Savage, one of the things that you should quickly learn is that he uses hyperbolies a lot. This is clearly a rant that he went on while using a hyperbolie. Of course there is ADD and OCD. Savage knows that, but what about the rest of his point? These questions are pretty ridiculous to be considered for OCD. I would have been classified with ADD and OCD at a young age. There is definitely an over diagnosis of ADD and OCD.
ADD is BS if parents dont want there children being freaks don't feed them fruit-roll ups for dinner sugar donuts for supper and lucky charms for breakfast. oh and don't let ur child be spoiled that leads to ADD! and yeah OCD is real i guess
I do agree that we shouldn't be hasty prescribing kids drugs. That said, Mr Savage's viewpoints are his right regardless of his alarmist attitude and complete lack of evidence for them. Through his experiences and context, he concludes that these illnesses are made up. Through mine, I differ. OCD has been debilitating for me over the last 25 years, to the point of utter helplessness and suicidal ideation. These experiences were very real to me. That is what matters, not the label given.
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there is no OCD or ADD. he is rite they want to drug you.they even do tv adds and tell you what ADD or OCD is which is normal stuff.and tell you we have a drug for that.they treat symtoms not the problem
oh boy do i wish OCD wasn't real. and all of the other chemical imbalances- Schizophrenia, Alzheimer's, PTSD, Social Phobia- i guess those dont exist either. read about OCD (or rabies) and exorcisms and you will see that there has indeed been many cases of these throughout history. by the way: psilocybin mushrooms work like magic when it comes to treating OCD. look it up, but make sure you have a friend or sober sitter if you decide to give it a try.
There's no reason to put a thumbs-down on my comments..I'm quite anti-psychiatry, but OCD is the exception..and I agree with killboy. This guy skewers what OCD is completely. PLEASE for the love of God don't think you can understand until you've lived with it like some of us. That doesn't mean we disagree, some like me know meds aren't the answer, but OCD can ruin lives, it is a problem. The problem is that we try to find a quick fix for everything.
im a huge savage fan, and maybe its true paxil shouldnt be given to kids, i dont know. but its worked like a charm for me as an adult. since ive started taking it i stopped drinking, stopped smoking pot, im in my third year of collage, and ive never felt better in my life. however i owe some credit to savage himself for changing me for the better.
Lilly is about to lauch a drug combination of 'Prozac & Zyprexa' (Olanzopine) There were questions asked whether the terrible School Shooting incidents were linked to Prozac, and Lilly have 'Settled out of court' over two billion bucks for Zyprexia's Obesity/Diabetes reactions. (their main drug treats Diabetes!) It's a scandal!
I might have already responded to this, but oh well..Anyway:
Maybe it's overdiagnosed but blaming it on sufferes themselves is ridiculous. If you really believe that people wash their hands repeatedly to the point that the skin becomes cracked or anything of that nature, or that they re-read the same sentence of a book over and over for the heck of it, you're a fucking moron and your misinformation is easily contradicted by those who've studied the fucking science behind it.
i dont take the poison that the drug companys hand out but ocd is real and i have lived with it for years so get a clue before you start talking like you are an expert
Hey Mike, Sorry my man... on this one you're off by a mile. OCD is real and destroyes lives. Thank god you never knew anyone suffering from it. It is truly mental torture. Mike
'OCD', as Savage says, didn't exist for THOUSANDS of years, until people got life too easy. Too much time on your hands, too much food, too much time to obsess about your own pathetic life, and THAT'S why people are now claiming to have 'OCD' - you CHOOSE to act the way you do.
Wrong. This is a brain chemistry disorder that has only been RECOGNIZED recently in the same way that AUTISM and related spectrum disorders are now understood to be neurologically based brain problems.
My friend your are incorrect and exhasting, go find a unbiased lecturer and have him teach you some psychology. PSYchology is a flawed and immature (as in underdeveloped) topic which needs much more study. Lets not assume we know the mind because we dont, Our knoledge is limited and a bit of caution should be imposed with such little information.
funny, im exhausting, look whos still continuing to throw away useless words, sigh, and to say im incorrect is incorrect in itself, im only going by what Psychology and health care industry and "science" is saying, so if your calling me wrong, you might aswell call all of science, years of studying, achievments through tests and analysis, studies and proven methods of work wrong to!
the only thing here that is flawed and immature is the person im trying to correct right now! Not Psychology! you cant even give a reasonable explanation for your assumptions! its ridiculas! im talking to a wall here....
Ill give up now, consider yourself victorious. Maybe I am wrong, but i know my opinions are founded on words from experts, I havent founded my thoughts souly on my opinions.
again trying to sound innocent and completely defensive. look man, i dont mean to completely rip apart your arguments and degrade your therioes, this isnt a compitition or anything, but merely an argument with someone being wrong, and someone being right, in this case you were quite wrong on some points, not everything you said, and thats just the honest to god truth my friend, like it or not.
i appreciate your will to argue and discuss, and at times take what im saying against what your saying, or misinterpretting, it just gets me mad when someone says something with no justifiable conclusion or accuracy and tries to look less guilty and more knowledgable in an area by changing their thoughts halfway through the dam argument.
and my knowledge of words, as i said, is derived from my experiences through many years of working around the world with the best in the psycgological health care field, even secret goverment science studies on medications through resaerch and surveys analysis, so none of what im saying just my thoughts, not even my opinions but "fact" itself, accordng to science and technology along with rofessors and psychologists all over the world!
Look you dont need to convince me of the illness I am training to be a teacher and want to work with children with these problems (Autism etc) so I obviously believe in thier existance, your missing the point and taking all this too personally.
its not that im trying to convince you, lol, srry if your interpretting that (sarcastic). its just that i cant stand to see someone who is only in university throw out their obvious opinions and flawed therioes and conclusions based on what they are studying and "trying" to become, just to sound supirior and intelligent and dismiss certain aspects partaining to the awarness of OCD.
Im fully aware of OCD and believe it to be a real illness, i never said it wasn't, you have heard what you wanted from my comments. Look its still in its infancy. Im primarly a cognitive psychologist so im only intersted in what can be proved beyond a reasonable doubt. I dont like wolly thoeries and unscientific diagnosises, I dont like how the family of autism has no proper diagnoses, you have it when all other issues are ruled out
But simplyben84 this is what im trying to tell you, no matter what difference i intgerpret from your writing, which by the way its not that im "hearing" what i "want" to hear from your comments, but rather instead, simply, what im "reading" from your comments.
as ive said before i wouldnt still be arguing with you right now if you werent wrong! And im not saying that you dont believe in OCD or whatever it is your interepretting, im arguing about Psychology as a whole itself, along with a few corrections i made about OCD that you thought were wrong.
And my god its nbot still in its infancy! are you even studying Psychology or reading from a website! if you had the skightest clue you would realise that Psychology as a whole is well identified and creating newer proof as we speak in regards to sad conditions in mental health. now again, wer not gonna have a perfect happy all ending cure without side effects, or small mistakes, but wsere at a promising stage thus far and only learning ,more as we move on ahead.
i appreciate your concern and career choice to help children etc. i really do, i could brag about what ive done or am still willing to do to, but OCD is real, obviously, and well recongized, there should bem no thing said otherwise!
Has this person ever read anything about OCD? I don't think so.... I have had it for 10 years, and unless you suffer from it, it is either quite funny and or easily mocked.
"The diet companies are making us buy fast food so that we will get fat and buy their diet products - or AIDS was invented by the condom companies to sell more products - that's about as logical as this person's argument seems.
You're an ignorant fool. Did you not stop to consider that your illogical, infantile conspiracy theory might offend the huge number of people who suffer from this hideous illness. But of course you would know more as some moronic shock-jock than the millions of people who live with disabling anxiety or indeed qualified and intelligent doctors of psychiatry. You should be ashamed.
Okay, this is just ridiculous. I have OCD, though mild. I figured that I must have something even before I was diagnosed. This is just totally blasphemous. And who is this guy anyway? A medical botanist. I don't see how he could really know that much about OCD (or, excuse me Mr. Savage, what they claim is OCD) to even say these things.
We have all become obsessed with psychological illnesses, I doubt all that wear thier disorder like a badge. Savage thou wrong, is making a very good point, and personally i think anyone who screams they have a disorder is an attention seeking liar. Anyone one genuine has delt or is dealing with thier problem and would have enough pride to be discreet.
And again, you cant say were all obsessed with psychological mental illnesses, in fact, if anything were all much more obsessed with "our" physical appearances in our socety today. p.s. i dont no any who would even want to waer their disorder like a badge?....
I dont doubt that they exist but im convinced in my experiances and education in the illnesses, that they are overdiagnosed. Everybodys got a disorder! and a lot of people flaunt it like a new handbag, ironic you learn of it when its a good excuse for something, added to the fact such people tend to seek attention.
It's a serious illness just like depression and Schizophrenia sadly the public stigma make it out like it's easy to deal with,but those who have it know it's no walk in the park.
everyone has a disorder, sure, but their are different levels to different disorders, and some are thousands of times larger/worse than others, OCD, in this case is much, much worse than someone only having a "coughing" disorder or something (example).
And also, your saying ppl want to have a reason excuse for what they have, OCD for example, your saying they want attention!, well im no doctor SimplyBen84, but last time i checked i dont think i would want attention and want my friends and family to no "i" have a disease,condition,disorder,OCD.
Gosh you really went off on one there did'nt you! I was not my intention to tar everyone with the same brush, but overdiagnoses happens and people do use all sorts of illness to seek attention - ADD OCD is easy to mimick and hard for anyone to contradict.
i really went off on there because you were making statements that were otherwise "completely" untrue, no proof to back them up, and from what i got out of it, it seemed as though you were mainly expressing your opinions on this matter. What did you expect?
And sure, overdiagnoses happen, so do underdiagnoses, so do many other matters in relation to health care, you cant just level out all the other factors and only focus on how overdiagnoses occur in this sense. and again, i havnt run into "one" person trying to seek attention from illnesses, and ive been around for a while even working in hospitals all over the world, heck, maybe a 5 year old kid not wanting to go to school, but even then that has nothing to do with gaining attention.
and also i dont think its that easy to mimic OCD, lol, unless you want to burn your hands and make them raw and pitch red from overly washing them to copy one of the most common symptoms of OCD, "just" to gain attention, and if that happens, i think you would have much worse problems than simply wanting to gain attention, (crazy).
P.S. - its also much easier to mimic a stomach ache or even insanity to gain attention then something that would require constant repition and dramatic changing/evolving into millions of different stages and forms, getting worse and worse over time, years and years (OCD).
MUltiple personality and depression were both popularised in TV but had been in the books for much longer, hardly anyone was diagnosed: Like Savages states, (and its sad but true) it often come down to a tick list and saying the right things.
No, its not true, at all, im sorry. the tick list is something that savage doesnt understand in anyway, shape, or form. lol, simplyben84, savage has no education in this area and has "no" clue what the heck hes talking about, hes simply angry and giving his opinion, possibly even for comedy/entertainment purposes, none of his theroies are relavent to this matter at all or even of reality, and what is really happening in the Psychological feilds in health care, im sorry.
I agree savage doesn't have a clue. His idiot mind however has picked up on a problem, he's just created his own wacko theory to explain the error he see's. The truth is OCD and ADD are 'ghost' illnesses, with very wide boundries and no standard scientific testing. Genuine sufferes have undeniable problems that can be seen without a test, any who strays from the sterotypical norm however could also be a sufferer, and in there lies the problem.
Its not a ghost illness!? its scientifically been studied and analyzed and youll just have to except that it exists in 1 out of 7 ppl in the population! The boundries are far from being wide sir, especially when they all tie in and relate to one another in a similar pattern! plus most conditions can be seen without a test anyway, especially in Psychology! look at insanity, the list can go on and on my friend.
and actually some ppl suffering with OCD can actually appear to look more "normal" than the average person you would think to be normal, mainly because the person suffering from OCD applies daily habbits into everyday average accomplishments!
And even if they dont appear in the norm, the symptoms of OCD all tie in similarily so you can easily disguish what type of condition the individual has or is suffering from another.
And because hardly anyone was diagnosed before television, they had to suffer much, much longer unforunately, because of the lower education levels in this area in those times.`thats the "real" sad news....
and mimicing a simple stomach ache or a insanity would be just as hard for anyone to contridict, if not harder.... Also some ppl actually may find it impossible to mimic ADD because of there concentrating mind, ego, and pride, self awarness, pressure. Please stop saying things that are so obviously wrong.
Anyone with a critical eye has to question the massive upsurge in diagnosed psychological illness, and the irony of how once popularised in a movie or TV show so many people come forward claiming to have whichever problem. Psychology is an infant subject in which its own experts can come to very little concencus on any subject, I dont doubt they exist, but 3 different quacks will give you 3 different diagnoses: Theier very little conformity, and thats make me wonder.
What the heck are you gibbering and babbling about now? maybe because that problem the ppl experience is a certain condition that connects the same/similar symptoms thus its classified as to what it causes, thus thats why it exists.
Psychology is extreemly flawed, I should know as I have studied it in college and university for 3 years now. I dont ignore its positive impact, but im sticking to the point which is Savages rant, and I am acknolegding that to some degree he has a point. PS Brevity my dear man, Its 500 max charecters for a reason!
Look mate i faked it the other week. Im working on a project for university and have already been misdiagnosed 5 times for psychological illness - one fool thought i have severe depression and gave me AD's and sleeping tablets! 1 misdiagnoses was something i didnt even try to fake. I started all this cos it happened to me as a child resulting in a very bad outcome.
So because you faked it for a test,which i find hard to believe coming from you anyway, your saying anyone else can simply do what "you" did easily aswell? Boy i think im gonna go fake cancer and get some cool medications for attention! (this is ridiculas) I had a friend try to fake depression and as soon as he went to his doctors, the doctor discovered his little cover up by doing brain examinations on chemical imbalances, he felt like a comlete idiot after that, so much for faking!
and Psychology is definitly not exrtemely flawed. maybe to someone who only looks at the small tweaks found within it, but to normal well educated individuals its not extremely flawed, im sorry.
Yes it is. Psychology is flawed, just look at the psychodynamic approch. Its engrained into our culture, yet Freud has no credibilty with experts. There are so many approches and too many interpretations. Like dream theories, I am educated and The truth is that as much as it valuable and important it is studying the most complex system known; its stupid to think weve even come close to understandind it in less than 200 years.
no its not extremely flawed! My god wake up! look at all the interpretations positivly effecting the approaches, and becoming more and more easily understood and studied more and more as time goes on! its becoming easier and easier to determine certain studies that have "apperently" gone wrong, and thus correcting them. and its probly because were getting smarter over time duh....
i never said theyhad a proper means of testing, that doesn t mean though that its not scientifically identifiable in its own sense, and u should check out the OCD site, it gives alot of insight on how its actually easily underdiagnosed.
I dont care if your Eienstien, ive studied Psychology for a long time too, otherwise i wouldnt be correcting you! And yes, in your previous statements you were ignoring the positive impacts, and thus focusing on the negative rants aquired somewhat from savage.
And, sigh, again simplyben84, your just leveling and "focusing" only on the "possible" flaws in the psychology field. "a speck of dust in the desert", theres so much much more quacks", flaws, mistreatments in so many different areas of the health care field its not even funny.... but, again, your only focusing on the negative aspects, and completely ignoring the positive outcomes and successes in the medical/psychological areas.
And sure there will be "some" mistakes, flaws, quacks now and then in relation to the Psychological field and other health care areas, the world isnt perfect, and definately far from it, as everyone should realise by now, but you cant just level out all the positive successes and accomplishments that defeat the negative flaws by great numbers in this area.
Also theres always going to be three different or more diagnoses obviously, lol, to figure out the main problem and work your way up to discover the cure, thats how it works....
now i cant speak for everyone else, but logically this seems pretty obvious. Why would you want to be known for having OCD, something that is EMBARRASSING, HUMILIATING, FRUSTRATING, and basically makes you look bad. just seems .... odd? it could even effect your career/work. unless your a monkey i dont think your are going to jump around all happy and relieaved saying" i got OCD! A FRUSTERATNG PARANOID CONDITION THAT IS VEY PAINFUL, yay hooray! look at me!"
And your basically saying that "everyone" is seeking attention, which is so obviously not true, im not even going to bother mentioning the amount of ppl who in fact want the opposite! again last time i checked , i wouldnt consider having a disorder a good means of gaining attention, if anything its the opposite lol.
its just like saying the same for cancer, ppl dont want to be known for having cancer, so they can have an excuse to gain attention! most of the time ppl cant even help the disease they have, and want to get rid of it ASAP and be "normal/healthy" (which most ppl strive for in our cultural society these days anyway!)
this man has no idea what he's talking about, just some asshole who likes to listen to himself talk. and the bitch of it is that millions of people believe this bullshit and in turn, make false judgments and uneducated opinions based on this subject. what a wash of human logic, oh "let's listen to this guy because he's popular and we'll mold our ideas after him!" ... great
You have no idea what you're talking about, I've had OCD since I can remember. It's not fun and you have no idea of the depth of what this disease can do. Fucking idiot!
OCD and ADD are real. Only he doesn't understand it. He name things that are normal. LIke thaking a shower. But the problem with is OCD is. You don't take a "normal" shower. It's takes an our, or 6 times a day. At that poit it can affect your life so bad. That can't go to school or work anymore. At that poit you maby have OCD. And no you don't going to learn that you don't take showers anymore. But you are going to learn to take a "normal" shower. All people who have OCD or ADD good luck!!!
I'm tempted to agree given that I'm traditionally anti-psychiatrist. I agree with him on OCD. Still, he doesn't seem to understand "REPEATEDLY". Re-writing's ok, but after 50 times, something's fucking wrong! Maybe there's something psychological causing this, but it exists.
having suffered from ocd from the time i was 7, and was not diagnosed until i was 18, i must say that savage does not know what he is talking about at all. it is true that drug companies are wanting to sell more drugs however they can, but the fact that ocd is a very real disorder is a well documented fact. anyone who sees a person who really has ocd would be hard pressed to say that it does not exist.
He is not claiming mentalk illness does not exist. VBut look at the criteria he is reading. Could it be any more vague? That is the problem. Overly vague critiera which gets used to label anyone, and then of course place them on drugs.
Yes he IS claiming that. I'm trying to put this as politely as I can, but he CLEARLY stated "I rest my case. There is NO SUCH THING AS OCD". I agree about vague criteria though.
This issue, is that, simply that nearly all are p[otentially labelled as mentally ill, with a critiera defined so broadly. We can not all be ill, can we? why is this so terribly hard for so many to grasp? Tahnk of the extreme ends of the population curve for any metric of performance: under this criteria, the entire poplation is subjected to drug therapy, by whim of an admin, rather than the extrema of this bell curve.
i suffer from OCD, and while i admit there are a lot of people who are convinced they have it when they don't, i am fairly sure i have it. OCD is a definite illness, how would you explain the fact that some people are unable to even leave their homes because of it?! i'm sorry but anyone who thinks OCD is not a genuine disorder is just ignorant and misinformed!
Dear good professor. That was a metaphor of the resulting diminished mental capacity and drive of a youngster after his "treatment". Please understand, i have seen man, many young males regarded simply as a walking pathogen in society, rather than people with untold potential. American girl expressed that view when she asked if it would be in all our best interest to dope them.
I acknowledge that there are extreme in the range of human behavior, but the criteria mentioned could be applied to almost all, rather than just the extrema. I have seen gross gender bias regarding this issue. The end result, reduction in achievement across the board. People are so eager to label, pigeon hole, and cast aside our nations children. Where would we be if our great hero's were given barbiturates at an early age?
uhhh youre an idiot michael savage.. i know a kid who asks the same question about 50-60 times a day. and then washes his hands 7 times each times he does and must do certain things multiply times. there is absolutely nothing wrong with him? right.
Liberalism? What in the name of all that is unholy are you babbling about in this uniquely simple-minded manner? I have enough heart to stand on my own without some desperate drive to be a part of a soul-sucking group dynamic with ultimately meaningless labels slapped on to make me feel wanted. You know, one of the worst of mental disorders is the inability to *grow*. Another is the inability to perceive one's own sickness.
Americanghoul; meaningless labels? like when adults tell children they ADD and therefore need a chemical lobotomy? I do not like labels either. Which regimen of meds are indicated for liberalism? Liberalism, by the way is the absolute rejection of facts, and logic. My dear,. I have bad news for you.
Savage is a good man. I also noticed the pronoun "he" exclusivley used in the test. The public really needs to see how the male gender is under seige from 4 years of age straight through to marriage. Dope those boys, take Dads dollars, and let neithor speak a word about it, because after all they are males, and thats a problem in our society. - thats the attitude, and the result.
Those who truly think like this (that OCD is essentially a product of the imagination) detrimentally compromise their credibility. I'd be as skeptical of any statements by one who's had three quarters of his brain removed and re-assigned to his rectum by a half-blind gremlin in the shaky throes of heroin withdrawal.
It is (or should be) fairly common knowledge that there were always mental afflictions. *Of course* mental disorders, in some form, existed thousands of years ago. But where was a decent psychiatrist to diagnose any of them during the STONE AGE?! (Savage can NOT be serious with this callous, blatantly uninformed nonsense). Come on, doubters, we're not discussing the existence of Santa Claus's team of poetry-reciting, break dancing, nuclear-powered snails here.
The psycho-maladies just weren't as well classified or understood as they are presently, the science of the mind better evolving all the time. People with any sort of mental illness used to either be sealed away in a lovely asylum, lobotomized, or, further back, executed. Most disorders of the brain were apparently clumped into a broad categorization (i.e., retarded...or demonically possessed and up in flames ya go, boy! Nothing quite like stake-fried nut, eh?).
Regarding drug companies "inventing" all of these mental disorders, and that the ailments didn't exist before the drugs (UNBELIEVABLE!): Didn't *feet* exist before companies started pushing shoes? Can you live without shoes? Sure. Can one live without many of these drugs that have popped up on the market? Sure. But life wouldn't be quite as comfortable, not quite as manageable. And why settle for a life that's less comfortable than it can be?
AmericanGhoul, while your bombastic prose was amusing it hit upon a very key question:"But where was a decent psychiatrist to diagnose any of them during the STONE AGE?! " Happily, they had no psychiatrists whatsoever, or we would very likely still be living in the stone age. Please understand, the diagnostic questionnaire pointed out by Savage is the problem. It is bias, and purposefully vague.
Essentially, the "symptoms" to look for according to the OCD and ADD checklist, are vague enough to label any boy as a case for doping. Notice i said boy. It is a license for school admins to arbitrarily dope children. Science, assuming psychology has anything to do with science, is about objective measurable results. The diagnostic stats reveal the bias. This is a racket!
Have you *seen* some of these boys today? Doping them all up might be in *everyone's* best interests! Seriously, though, my whole point was, OCD isn't, for *many* men & women, a product of embellished quirks manipulated by glorified pill pushers. The schoolboys topic is another story and wasn't really my focus. I do get what you're saying regarding the children, and I don't deny that such practices *are* going on. Ritalin, for example, is passed out like bags of M&Ms these days.
But, from your comments Americanghoul, i can see none of the factually information actually matters to you. Your ready to prescribe barbiturates to yet another generation solely because it might be in everyones best interest? How did the teachers and parents help to develop mature, educated effective adults in the past? The experiment in behavior modification has concluded, with dismal results! We can not afford to do this to another generation!
Seneca67, first off, you CAN'T be serious in how you are replying to me. You must be reading someone else's comments here, not mine. Go and actually re-read my words and then get back to me with your renewed assessment. Please don't inject words into my posts. ONCE AGAIN, I AM MERELY CONFIRMING -- THROUGH FIRSTHAND EXPERIENCE -- THE EXISTENCE OF OBSESSIVE COMPULSIVE DISORDER. Simple as that.
Americangoul, can you honestly tell me that the critiera for indicating a possible OCD or ADD issue with boys, is clinically sound? It is grossly vague, and gender bias! I have seen the results across 20 years, and 4 high school student populations in 4 different states. Additionally, i have seen performance data across a wide range of metrics. Yes, they would be doing far better if they had never been doped. Actually, what most youngsters need are father figures, not pills to dul the spirit.
What children need are whole families, complete with fathers. They also need to be respected as human beings, rather than cast asides, and annoyances. Raising children is hard work, and every wrinkle along the why is really a learning opportunity. Giving large numbers of children downers, so as to "fast forward through life, only postpones the lessons they will eventually have to learn. Life lessons become far more expensive as one gets older.
I have OCD. Without resorting to an emotional argument, I had it for years without ever hearing about it or knowing I had it. I'm pretty sure Savage is oversimplifying here. Drug companies may sometimes be corrupt, but that doesn't mean anxiety/mood disorders don't exist. Oh well.
I too have had 100%-genuine--or-your-money-back OCD since before 10-yrs-old (no overzealous docs for me to turn me on to their miracle pills, or brainwash me into believing I had something not there). I didn't even tell anyone of my "glitch". It was, I thought, simply too *weird* and, frankly, *embarrassing*. Real, however, nonetheless.
Alone I, for instance, just couldn't leave my room until I tied & untied, or slipped off & slipped on my shoes over and over and over (is it right, is it right, is it right yet...doesn't feel right yet...please, God...), on the verge of a breakdown (often while family waited in supreme, blood-boiling frustration for me). It is not only an authentic disorder (how can any thinking person *really* doubt the existence of such a well-documented disorder, seriously?) but truly torturous.
I heard this broadcast a few months back and it just gnawed at my soul like few things before or since. It's grossly insulting to those cursed with the disorder. *Obscenely* and SHOCKINGLY ignorant (especially for someone who is supposed to be well educated and experienced). An OCD episode, for me, is kind of like a record skipping -- a brain skip(?) -- and the needle just won't budge until *it* decides.
Docs nowadays *are* often a dose or so too eager to dump psychotropic joyrides down the throats of their patients. Including children who *may* or may not be only marginally dysfunctional, at worst (drug empires pushing their magic potions...). But, to re-emphasize and de-press, that doesn't translate to the aforementioned illnesses being without basis in reality (as I know all too well firsthand and last out the door, door, door).
QUOTE from SAVAGE: "THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS OCD."
So, there it is, straight out of Savage's own mouth. Put whatever spin on it you all like (for those of you who seem to be doing just that, as if you're in fanatical denial of his making such a ludicrously idiotic proclamation).
In any event, I still find Savage somewhat entertaining here and there, true, but I don't take him nearly as seriously as I once did. Kind of sad (for *him*).
America is a sick, fat drugged up country. We are fat, getting stupid and the poor boys are being dumbed down cause their parents are too fucking lazy to be parents. America is doomed , sinking and needs help. Starting with the American diet, then VOTE FOR RON PAUL. America is the land of the fat people but you can change that !
Psychiatry creates "diseases"(like OCD & ADD) literally by voting them into existence at their APA meetings. ADD did not exist until they took a vote and created the "disease." There's no psychological tests for any of their diseases. Why do you never, ever hear them doing research for natural solutions to these problems (diseases)? Because it's not profitable. Period. It's not only sad. It's criminal.
To ximapyromaniacx You should be glad that all they are doing is washing, like you said. They could be obsessed with something else, like robbing stores or banks. It used to be the person was overly neat, now it's OCD. It used to be a kid was bored, usually at school, now it's ADHD. They only became disorders when BigPharma got involved and developed meds to "TREAT THEM", as there was no drugs for boredom and neatness.
Many doctors ,confronted with emotionally crippled patients,but there is no God pill . But they aren't allowed to talk about God , so... one thing I can tell you, this problem gets worse with every generation. Whilst parents get thru life with happy pills, their children will not be so lucky and if they live ? their children will not want to.
Michael is right, simple childhood is being medicalized.
Yes and after a girl goes through childhood on ritalin, teens on Zloft,there's pregnancy on prozac - but then a child is born - & THAT CHILD has been on prozac too - & THAT child comes into the world ADDICTED to prozac but is now "off" it cold turkey - hence a freaked out MESS! And what do the CRIMINAL PSYCHS AND PHARMA do with this addicted baby in withdrawal? Label it MENTALLY ILL and GIVE IT MORE DRUGS - They need to be OUTLAWED!
That checklist is most likely used to get an overall view of the behavior of the child. If the child displays many of those symptoms something is obviously not right. It is a different issue altogether whether the condition implied by that sum of symptoms is best dealt with through medication, therapy or something else. But the way Mr. Savage is presenting the issue is not serious and this should be obvious to anyone listening to him.
Last I knew, DR. Mchael Savage does not have a PhD or MD in any medical or mental health discipline. His use of a checklist out of context and over simplification of the issue is a great disservice to people who have mental health and emotional problems. If you think this snippet makes the case for the "truth," you are as lame as Michael in using his personal experience as justification for something he knows little about.
You speak the truth, Michael. The situation of today's medicinal world is beyond thinkable. It's amazing that there are so many people out there taking these drugs and they are clueless to the fact that these drugs are actually hurting them and not helping them. What's worse is that many of these people are kids, as Michael points out in this audio clip. It's very, very sad.
I HAVE THAT!!! O_o... oh... ummm MR.SAVAGE FOR PRESIDENT!!! =D
twistedyogert 1 month ago
well i think if somebody has had brain surgery 8 or 9 different times that might affect somebodies emotional state of mind, that's just me though I guess we have to rely on savage cause hes an expert on neurology.
alfamale05 2 months ago
I don't agree with all of Savage's views but I think he's awesome for calling out the drug companies for the crooked crooks they are. Good for him!
GenerationX1984 2 months ago
He has no idea what he's talking about
bms77 7 months ago
I am OCD and have severe anxiety and panic attacks. I do not believe in taking medications anymore for it. Meds made me psycho and really screwed me up. But that does not mean OCD is not a real disorder. I have been helped with cognitive behavioral therapy.
eos420 7 months ago
@eos420 This is a good comment. OCD is a VERY real disorder and the meds out there for it usually do make it worse over time. Michael Savage is way off his rocker on this one.Typical of these types of talk show hosts though.They think they know it all even when it comes to mental conditions.He really knows nothing about it and it's more than likely because he's never suffered from it. If you aren't going to understand a disorder, at least don't try and talk intelligently about it
halo7982 7 months ago
You have no knowledge over anything; not just this topic, but everything else you say. If George Carlin were alive, he would revise his bullshit story.
Waltonaters 8 months ago
Savage is wrong
BadaBingBadaBoom012 9 months ago
let your kid smok a blunt and lts s what happens
thisgame2 1 year ago
- we all have OCD because we are all obsessive
- we all have ADD because none of our prefrontal cortexs are as developed as they could be
JazistheGreatest 1 year ago
Oh yeah and it extends beyond school too. Just putting that out there.
MasterAdam100 1 year ago
Science proves you wrong. Go put your tin foil hat back on. I was diagnosed with it in 2nd grade and I have trouble in school to this day and I'm in college now. I've known other people with ADD/ADHD and OCD and some are a complete mess while others like me can lead normal lives. SO STFU Savage.
MasterAdam100 1 year ago
I have ADD and I choose not to take meds. I definitely do think It's real for some people. I'm a sort of daydreaming intellectual who has spend countless hours in class studying the way my mind works and I am positive that there is a disorder that causes the mind to be physically incapable of forcing itself to focus on something. I have every desire to be very academic and attentive, but find that I simply cannot do it. I do "manage" my ADHD, but I still struggle a lot in school.
LIGHTRONIX 1 year ago
Could be your diet.
1STACCS 2 years ago
Well, you just can't make up a disease just to sell drugs that don't work. What can I say? I feel sorry for you, though.
1STACCS 2 years ago
You have an outside stressor in yourlife that makes you like that or even a physical pain that is driving u mad. It is not biological.
1STACCS 2 years ago
Dr. Savage is right!
martysoffice 2 years ago
@martysoffice he guys an idiot and hes not a dr. hes a nutcase!
CJbass420 1 year ago
@CJbass420 So....anybody who has a PhD is a nutcase?
mario54671 11 months ago
@mario54671 No, when did I ever say anything like that.
CJbass420 11 months ago
Yep i remeber that one vividly you feel almost sick with aniexety cause you're never sure if you missed something. Not fun. Someone needs to take mr. savage out into the street and beat him. Ill give him props for free speech, but apart from that if anyone takes this seriously then they are in for a world of problems.
StopBeingAFucktard 2 years ago
ADD is bullshit, I thought I had it. They wanted to give me ridaline. Thank God my mother said no don't give my son that shit. You know what I wasn't that smart and yet I wroked hard and studied more then most kids and I got descent grades. ADD is an excuse for kids who are morons and don't wanna work. I remember on south park there's a way to help kids with this fake disease. Most of you know what I'm talking about and I think it works.
Shadyac21 2 years ago 2
What he is saying is so completely wrong and outlandish it's disturbing. "re-writes/ re-reads assignments, thats the mark of a good student"? I had this symptom, it's normal if you do it once or twice, but when you do it 50 times because you didn't feel like you wrote a certain letter "just right", it goes from being normal to abnormal, and starts to become a drain on your life and mental well being.
StopBeingAFucktard 2 years ago
What about someone like howard huges? Were modern drug companies making up OCD back then? No because that's not possible and means michael savage is full of shit. Real OCD is under reported and is usually only identified when the person starts losing control of their lives because of it. The fact that he's talking about OCD and ADD at the same time tells me he has no idea what the huge differences between the two are.
StopBeingAFucktard 2 years ago 2
Ok, this is nonsense. My son has legitimate OCD. He really SUFFERS with this...and excessive worries doesn't even begin to address real OCD. Perhaps you should talk to people who DO have this disorder and ASK them what it is like to live with OCD.
AliceStokesPaul 2 years ago
wrong
booAHHHH 2 years ago
"Perhaps you should talk to people who DO have this disorder and ASK them what it is like to live with OCD. "
I've lived with it since I was 13, It's like uncontrollable self mental torture. The meds while not my favorite thing in the world do in fact work and let me live a more normal life. Michael Savage is completely full of shit, and horrifically ignorant. I feel sorry for the people who take what he says seriously.
StopBeingAFucktard 2 years ago
I believe OCD and ADD are WAY over-diagnosed, but not that they don't exist. If anything, more parents are horrible parents and don't understand that kids have short attention spans and lots of energy.
Also, most people feed their children horrible toxins everyday all day. The Monsantos of the world are probably more to blame than the (whatever pharma corps) who make Ritalin, etc.
Everytime I see a child with an aspartame-laden diet pop, I want to punch a parent in the throat.
monkeydog2332 3 years ago 4
If only he knew what it was like. It's a shame he couldn't wake up with OCD for a day. How can he be so certain OCD doesn't exist? I guess what can you expect from a guy who thinks children with autism are just badly behaved. What a sorry man Michael Weiner is.
bookiewho 3 years ago 3
If you listen to Michael Savage, one of the things that you should quickly learn is that he uses hyperbolies a lot. This is clearly a rant that he went on while using a hyperbolie. Of course there is ADD and OCD. Savage knows that, but what about the rest of his point? These questions are pretty ridiculous to be considered for OCD. I would have been classified with ADD and OCD at a young age. There is definitely an over diagnosis of ADD and OCD.
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armanisupergirl 3 years ago
ADD is BS if parents dont want there children being freaks don't feed them fruit-roll ups for dinner sugar donuts for supper and lucky charms for breakfast. oh and don't let ur child be spoiled that leads to ADD! and yeah OCD is real i guess
DaBossk 3 years ago
I do agree that we shouldn't be hasty prescribing kids drugs. That said, Mr Savage's viewpoints are his right regardless of his alarmist attitude and complete lack of evidence for them. Through his experiences and context, he concludes that these illnesses are made up. Through mine, I differ. OCD has been debilitating for me over the last 25 years, to the point of utter helplessness and suicidal ideation. These experiences were very real to me. That is what matters, not the label given.
xstylesx 3 years ago
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there is no OCD or ADD. he is rite they want to drug you.they even do tv adds and tell you what ADD or OCD is which is normal stuff.and tell you we have a drug for that.they treat symtoms not the problem
goldsmithstudent 4 years ago
SAVAGE ROCKS.
mozzateste 4 years ago
oh boy do i wish OCD wasn't real. and all of the other chemical imbalances- Schizophrenia, Alzheimer's, PTSD, Social Phobia- i guess those dont exist either. read about OCD (or rabies) and exorcisms and you will see that there has indeed been many cases of these throughout history. by the way: psilocybin mushrooms work like magic when it comes to treating OCD. look it up, but make sure you have a friend or sober sitter if you decide to give it a try.
dickyb1980 4 years ago
There's no reason to put a thumbs-down on my comments..I'm quite anti-psychiatry, but OCD is the exception..and I agree with killboy. This guy skewers what OCD is completely. PLEASE for the love of God don't think you can understand until you've lived with it like some of us. That doesn't mean we disagree, some like me know meds aren't the answer, but OCD can ruin lives, it is a problem. The problem is that we try to find a quick fix for everything.
NaturalSelection2 4 years ago 2
im a huge savage fan, and maybe its true paxil shouldnt be given to kids, i dont know. but its worked like a charm for me as an adult. since ive started taking it i stopped drinking, stopped smoking pot, im in my third year of collage, and ive never felt better in my life. however i owe some credit to savage himself for changing me for the better.
johnnyappallseed 4 years ago
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savage is right
bears132 4 years ago
No child should take Paxil. Its a nasty drug
Robertoroboto 4 years ago 13
Lilly is about to lauch a drug combination of 'Prozac & Zyprexa' (Olanzopine) There were questions asked whether the terrible School Shooting incidents were linked to Prozac, and Lilly have 'Settled out of court' over two billion bucks for Zyprexia's Obesity/Diabetes reactions. (their main drug treats Diabetes!) It's a scandal!
WarzSchoolchild 4 years ago 2
I might have already responded to this, but oh well..Anyway:
Maybe it's overdiagnosed but blaming it on sufferes themselves is ridiculous. If you really believe that people wash their hands repeatedly to the point that the skin becomes cracked or anything of that nature, or that they re-read the same sentence of a book over and over for the heck of it, you're a fucking moron and your misinformation is easily contradicted by those who've studied the fucking science behind it.
NaturalSelection2 4 years ago 2
how do you figure?
chica476 4 years ago
trust me, they're real.....i have both ADD and OCD ;)
stargatefansg1 4 years ago 3
i dont take the poison that the drug companys hand out but ocd is real and i have lived with it for years so get a clue before you start talking like you are an expert
killboy757 4 years ago 7
Agreed. I was looking for my old comment but there have been a lot so I guess it wasn't deleted. I hope the poster of this video didn't delete it.
NaturalSelection2 4 years ago
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Michael Savage is 100% correct.
n2motocross 4 years ago
Hey Mike, Sorry my man... on this one you're off by a mile. OCD is real and destroyes lives. Thank god you never knew anyone suffering from it. It is truly mental torture. Mike
HYPNOSISWORKS123 4 years ago 5
'OCD', as Savage says, didn't exist for THOUSANDS of years, until people got life too easy. Too much time on your hands, too much food, too much time to obsess about your own pathetic life, and THAT'S why people are now claiming to have 'OCD' - you CHOOSE to act the way you do.
mosis2 4 years ago
Wrong. This is a brain chemistry disorder that has only been RECOGNIZED recently in the same way that AUTISM and related spectrum disorders are now understood to be neurologically based brain problems.
HYPNOSISWORKS123 4 years ago 2
My friend your are incorrect and exhasting, go find a unbiased lecturer and have him teach you some psychology. PSYchology is a flawed and immature (as in underdeveloped) topic which needs much more study. Lets not assume we know the mind because we dont, Our knoledge is limited and a bit of caution should be imposed with such little information.
SimplyBen84 4 years ago
funny, im exhausting, look whos still continuing to throw away useless words, sigh, and to say im incorrect is incorrect in itself, im only going by what Psychology and health care industry and "science" is saying, so if your calling me wrong, you might aswell call all of science, years of studying, achievments through tests and analysis, studies and proven methods of work wrong to!
turtlen 4 years ago
the only thing here that is flawed and immature is the person im trying to correct right now! Not Psychology! you cant even give a reasonable explanation for your assumptions! its ridiculas! im talking to a wall here....
turtlen 4 years ago
Ill give up now, consider yourself victorious. Maybe I am wrong, but i know my opinions are founded on words from experts, I havent founded my thoughts souly on my opinions.
SimplyBen84 4 years ago
again trying to sound innocent and completely defensive. look man, i dont mean to completely rip apart your arguments and degrade your therioes, this isnt a compitition or anything, but merely an argument with someone being wrong, and someone being right, in this case you were quite wrong on some points, not everything you said, and thats just the honest to god truth my friend, like it or not.
turtlen 4 years ago
i appreciate your will to argue and discuss, and at times take what im saying against what your saying, or misinterpretting, it just gets me mad when someone says something with no justifiable conclusion or accuracy and tries to look less guilty and more knowledgable in an area by changing their thoughts halfway through the dam argument.
turtlen 4 years ago
and my knowledge of words, as i said, is derived from my experiences through many years of working around the world with the best in the psycgological health care field, even secret goverment science studies on medications through resaerch and surveys analysis, so none of what im saying just my thoughts, not even my opinions but "fact" itself, accordng to science and technology along with rofessors and psychologists all over the world!
turtlen 4 years ago
all of that you say, where are your sources? listen here, you keep throwing around all of these claims, but you don't back them up, HA!
chica476 4 years ago
Look you dont need to convince me of the illness I am training to be a teacher and want to work with children with these problems (Autism etc) so I obviously believe in thier existance, your missing the point and taking all this too personally.
SimplyBen84 4 years ago
its not that im trying to convince you, lol, srry if your interpretting that (sarcastic). its just that i cant stand to see someone who is only in university throw out their obvious opinions and flawed therioes and conclusions based on what they are studying and "trying" to become, just to sound supirior and intelligent and dismiss certain aspects partaining to the awarness of OCD.
turtlen 4 years ago
Im fully aware of OCD and believe it to be a real illness, i never said it wasn't, you have heard what you wanted from my comments. Look its still in its infancy. Im primarly a cognitive psychologist so im only intersted in what can be proved beyond a reasonable doubt. I dont like wolly thoeries and unscientific diagnosises, I dont like how the family of autism has no proper diagnoses, you have it when all other issues are ruled out
SimplyBen84 4 years ago
But simplyben84 this is what im trying to tell you, no matter what difference i intgerpret from your writing, which by the way its not that im "hearing" what i "want" to hear from your comments, but rather instead, simply, what im "reading" from your comments.
turtlen 4 years ago
as ive said before i wouldnt still be arguing with you right now if you werent wrong! And im not saying that you dont believe in OCD or whatever it is your interepretting, im arguing about Psychology as a whole itself, along with a few corrections i made about OCD that you thought were wrong.
turtlen 4 years ago
so before you get too defensive or innocent in this argument, dont make up interprations that arnt true, please for the love of god....
turtlen 4 years ago
And my god its nbot still in its infancy! are you even studying Psychology or reading from a website! if you had the skightest clue you would realise that Psychology as a whole is well identified and creating newer proof as we speak in regards to sad conditions in mental health. now again, wer not gonna have a perfect happy all ending cure without side effects, or small mistakes, but wsere at a promising stage thus far and only learning ,more as we move on ahead.
turtlen 4 years ago
where are your credentials?
chica476 4 years ago
i appreciate your concern and career choice to help children etc. i really do, i could brag about what ive done or am still willing to do to, but OCD is real, obviously, and well recongized, there should bem no thing said otherwise!
turtlen 4 years ago
Has this person ever read anything about OCD? I don't think so.... I have had it for 10 years, and unless you suffer from it, it is either quite funny and or easily mocked.
"The diet companies are making us buy fast food so that we will get fat and buy their diet products - or AIDS was invented by the condom companies to sell more products - that's about as logical as this person's argument seems.
You can make a theory about anything.
GaijinGDB 4 years ago
We all did fine without drugs for "OCD" and "ADHD" when growing up. So did our parents, and our parent's parents. It's a myth.
mbpaypal 4 years ago
You're an ignorant fool. Did you not stop to consider that your illogical, infantile conspiracy theory might offend the huge number of people who suffer from this hideous illness. But of course you would know more as some moronic shock-jock than the millions of people who live with disabling anxiety or indeed qualified and intelligent doctors of psychiatry. You should be ashamed.
Currien 4 years ago
Taking a very complicated psychological disorder and reducing it to a corporate scam to con people out of their money.
Currien 4 years ago
lmao, funny, coming from someone who doesnt have OCD....
turtlen 4 years ago
Okay, this is just ridiculous. I have OCD, though mild. I figured that I must have something even before I was diagnosed. This is just totally blasphemous. And who is this guy anyway? A medical botanist. I don't see how he could really know that much about OCD (or, excuse me Mr. Savage, what they claim is OCD) to even say these things.
therealmikelvee 4 years ago
i know people in the world are cold, but i didnt know that they are this cold, this guy needs to stfu, i am gonna punch his lights out!
mellyscool 4 years ago 2
We have all become obsessed with psychological illnesses, I doubt all that wear thier disorder like a badge. Savage thou wrong, is making a very good point, and personally i think anyone who screams they have a disorder is an attention seeking liar. Anyone one genuine has delt or is dealing with thier problem and would have enough pride to be discreet.
SimplyBen84 4 years ago
And again, you cant say were all obsessed with psychological mental illnesses, in fact, if anything were all much more obsessed with "our" physical appearances in our socety today. p.s. i dont no any who would even want to waer their disorder like a badge?....
turtlen 4 years ago
I dont doubt that they exist but im convinced in my experiances and education in the illnesses, that they are overdiagnosed. Everybodys got a disorder! and a lot of people flaunt it like a new handbag, ironic you learn of it when its a good excuse for something, added to the fact such people tend to seek attention.
SimplyBen84 4 years ago
It's a serious illness just like depression and Schizophrenia sadly the public stigma make it out like it's easy to deal with,but those who have it know it's no walk in the park.
strke69 4 years ago
everyone has a disorder, sure, but their are different levels to different disorders, and some are thousands of times larger/worse than others, OCD, in this case is much, much worse than someone only having a "coughing" disorder or something (example).
turtlen 4 years ago
And also, your saying ppl want to have a reason excuse for what they have, OCD for example, your saying they want attention!, well im no doctor SimplyBen84, but last time i checked i dont think i would want attention and want my friends and family to no "i" have a disease,condition,disorder,OCD.
turtlen 4 years ago
Gosh you really went off on one there did'nt you! I was not my intention to tar everyone with the same brush, but overdiagnoses happens and people do use all sorts of illness to seek attention - ADD OCD is easy to mimick and hard for anyone to contradict.
SimplyBen84 4 years ago
i really went off on there because you were making statements that were otherwise "completely" untrue, no proof to back them up, and from what i got out of it, it seemed as though you were mainly expressing your opinions on this matter. What did you expect?
turtlen 4 years ago
And sure, overdiagnoses happen, so do underdiagnoses, so do many other matters in relation to health care, you cant just level out all the other factors and only focus on how overdiagnoses occur in this sense. and again, i havnt run into "one" person trying to seek attention from illnesses, and ive been around for a while even working in hospitals all over the world, heck, maybe a 5 year old kid not wanting to go to school, but even then that has nothing to do with gaining attention.
turtlen 4 years ago
and also i dont think its that easy to mimic OCD, lol, unless you want to burn your hands and make them raw and pitch red from overly washing them to copy one of the most common symptoms of OCD, "just" to gain attention, and if that happens, i think you would have much worse problems than simply wanting to gain attention, (crazy).
turtlen 4 years ago
P.S. - its also much easier to mimic a stomach ache or even insanity to gain attention then something that would require constant repition and dramatic changing/evolving into millions of different stages and forms, getting worse and worse over time, years and years (OCD).
turtlen 4 years ago
MUltiple personality and depression were both popularised in TV but had been in the books for much longer, hardly anyone was diagnosed: Like Savages states, (and its sad but true) it often come down to a tick list and saying the right things.
SimplyBen84 4 years ago
No, its not true, at all, im sorry. the tick list is something that savage doesnt understand in anyway, shape, or form. lol, simplyben84, savage has no education in this area and has "no" clue what the heck hes talking about, hes simply angry and giving his opinion, possibly even for comedy/entertainment purposes, none of his theroies are relavent to this matter at all or even of reality, and what is really happening in the Psychological feilds in health care, im sorry.
turtlen 4 years ago
I agree savage doesn't have a clue. His idiot mind however has picked up on a problem, he's just created his own wacko theory to explain the error he see's. The truth is OCD and ADD are 'ghost' illnesses, with very wide boundries and no standard scientific testing. Genuine sufferes have undeniable problems that can be seen without a test, any who strays from the sterotypical norm however could also be a sufferer, and in there lies the problem.
SimplyBen84 4 years ago
Its not a ghost illness!? its scientifically been studied and analyzed and youll just have to except that it exists in 1 out of 7 ppl in the population! The boundries are far from being wide sir, especially when they all tie in and relate to one another in a similar pattern! plus most conditions can be seen without a test anyway, especially in Psychology! look at insanity, the list can go on and on my friend.
turtlen 4 years ago
and actually some ppl suffering with OCD can actually appear to look more "normal" than the average person you would think to be normal, mainly because the person suffering from OCD applies daily habbits into everyday average accomplishments!
turtlen 4 years ago
And even if they dont appear in the norm, the symptoms of OCD all tie in similarily so you can easily disguish what type of condition the individual has or is suffering from another.
turtlen 4 years ago
And because hardly anyone was diagnosed before television, they had to suffer much, much longer unforunately, because of the lower education levels in this area in those times.`thats the "real" sad news....
turtlen 4 years ago
and mimicing a simple stomach ache or a insanity would be just as hard for anyone to contridict, if not harder.... Also some ppl actually may find it impossible to mimic ADD because of there concentrating mind, ego, and pride, self awarness, pressure. Please stop saying things that are so obviously wrong.
turtlen 4 years ago
Anyone with a critical eye has to question the massive upsurge in diagnosed psychological illness, and the irony of how once popularised in a movie or TV show so many people come forward claiming to have whichever problem. Psychology is an infant subject in which its own experts can come to very little concencus on any subject, I dont doubt they exist, but 3 different quacks will give you 3 different diagnoses: Theier very little conformity, and thats make me wonder.
SimplyBen84 4 years ago
What the heck are you gibbering and babbling about now? maybe because that problem the ppl experience is a certain condition that connects the same/similar symptoms thus its classified as to what it causes, thus thats why it exists.
turtlen 4 years ago
Psychology is extreemly flawed, I should know as I have studied it in college and university for 3 years now. I dont ignore its positive impact, but im sticking to the point which is Savages rant, and I am acknolegding that to some degree he has a point. PS Brevity my dear man, Its 500 max charecters for a reason!
SimplyBen84 4 years ago
Lol, its sad i have to waste 500 characters and more to correct your obvious wrongs and opinions.... sigh
turtlen 4 years ago
Look mate i faked it the other week. Im working on a project for university and have already been misdiagnosed 5 times for psychological illness - one fool thought i have severe depression and gave me AD's and sleeping tablets! 1 misdiagnoses was something i didnt even try to fake. I started all this cos it happened to me as a child resulting in a very bad outcome.
SimplyBen84 4 years ago
So because you faked it for a test,which i find hard to believe coming from you anyway, your saying anyone else can simply do what "you" did easily aswell? Boy i think im gonna go fake cancer and get some cool medications for attention! (this is ridiculas) I had a friend try to fake depression and as soon as he went to his doctors, the doctor discovered his little cover up by doing brain examinations on chemical imbalances, he felt like a comlete idiot after that, so much for faking!
turtlen 4 years ago
what kind of doctors do you have geesh
turtlen 4 years ago
p.s. and that must mean theres a lotta wrong coming from you
turtlen 4 years ago
and Psychology is definitly not exrtemely flawed. maybe to someone who only looks at the small tweaks found within it, but to normal well educated individuals its not extremely flawed, im sorry.
turtlen 4 years ago
Yes it is. Psychology is flawed, just look at the psychodynamic approch. Its engrained into our culture, yet Freud has no credibilty with experts. There are so many approches and too many interpretations. Like dream theories, I am educated and The truth is that as much as it valuable and important it is studying the most complex system known; its stupid to think weve even come close to understandind it in less than 200 years.
SimplyBen84 4 years ago
no its not extremely flawed! My god wake up! look at all the interpretations positivly effecting the approaches, and becoming more and more easily understood and studied more and more as time goes on! its becoming easier and easier to determine certain studies that have "apperently" gone wrong, and thus correcting them. and its probly because were getting smarter over time duh....
turtlen 4 years ago
Check the Autism website they redily acknodge they have no proper way of testing for the family disorders which includes ADD.
SimplyBen84 4 years ago
i never said theyhad a proper means of testing, that doesn t mean though that its not scientifically identifiable in its own sense, and u should check out the OCD site, it gives alot of insight on how its actually easily underdiagnosed.
turtlen 4 years ago
I dont care if your Eienstien, ive studied Psychology for a long time too, otherwise i wouldnt be correcting you! And yes, in your previous statements you were ignoring the positive impacts, and thus focusing on the negative rants aquired somewhat from savage.
turtlen 4 years ago
And, sigh, again simplyben84, your just leveling and "focusing" only on the "possible" flaws in the psychology field. "a speck of dust in the desert", theres so much much more quacks", flaws, mistreatments in so many different areas of the health care field its not even funny.... but, again, your only focusing on the negative aspects, and completely ignoring the positive outcomes and successes in the medical/psychological areas.
turtlen 4 years ago
And sure there will be "some" mistakes, flaws, quacks now and then in relation to the Psychological field and other health care areas, the world isnt perfect, and definately far from it, as everyone should realise by now, but you cant just level out all the positive successes and accomplishments that defeat the negative flaws by great numbers in this area.
turtlen 4 years ago
Also theres always going to be three different or more diagnoses obviously, lol, to figure out the main problem and work your way up to discover the cure, thats how it works....
turtlen 4 years ago
now i cant speak for everyone else, but logically this seems pretty obvious. Why would you want to be known for having OCD, something that is EMBARRASSING, HUMILIATING, FRUSTRATING, and basically makes you look bad. just seems .... odd? it could even effect your career/work. unless your a monkey i dont think your are going to jump around all happy and relieaved saying" i got OCD! A FRUSTERATNG PARANOID CONDITION THAT IS VEY PAINFUL, yay hooray! look at me!"
turtlen 4 years ago
And your basically saying that "everyone" is seeking attention, which is so obviously not true, im not even going to bother mentioning the amount of ppl who in fact want the opposite! again last time i checked , i wouldnt consider having a disorder a good means of gaining attention, if anything its the opposite lol.
turtlen 4 years ago
its just like saying the same for cancer, ppl dont want to be known for having cancer, so they can have an excuse to gain attention! most of the time ppl cant even help the disease they have, and want to get rid of it ASAP and be "normal/healthy" (which most ppl strive for in our cultural society these days anyway!)
turtlen 4 years ago
this man has no idea what he's talking about, just some asshole who likes to listen to himself talk. and the bitch of it is that millions of people believe this bullshit and in turn, make false judgments and uneducated opinions based on this subject. what a wash of human logic, oh "let's listen to this guy because he's popular and we'll mold our ideas after him!" ... great
chica476 4 years ago
You have no idea what you're talking about, I've had OCD since I can remember. It's not fun and you have no idea of the depth of what this disease can do. Fucking idiot!
jkgaylor 4 years ago
Seriously you're a Fuckin idiot Savage you Cock,If people didn't have it then why do they do the obsessive thing's.Fuck Off moron!!
strke69 4 years ago
OCD and ADD are real. Only he doesn't understand it. He name things that are normal. LIke thaking a shower. But the problem with is OCD is. You don't take a "normal" shower. It's takes an our, or 6 times a day. At that poit it can affect your life so bad. That can't go to school or work anymore. At that poit you maby have OCD. And no you don't going to learn that you don't take showers anymore. But you are going to learn to take a "normal" shower. All people who have OCD or ADD good luck!!!
angeleyeszzz 4 years ago
I'm tempted to agree given that I'm traditionally anti-psychiatrist. I agree with him on OCD. Still, he doesn't seem to understand "REPEATEDLY". Re-writing's ok, but after 50 times, something's fucking wrong! Maybe there's something psychological causing this, but it exists.
NaturalSelection2 4 years ago
this guys an asshole ive gotten over OCD about 3 years ago, its real
LocKdoWn810 4 years ago 2
having suffered from ocd from the time i was 7, and was not diagnosed until i was 18, i must say that savage does not know what he is talking about at all. it is true that drug companies are wanting to sell more drugs however they can, but the fact that ocd is a very real disorder is a well documented fact. anyone who sees a person who really has ocd would be hard pressed to say that it does not exist.
drummingman 4 years ago
He is not claiming mentalk illness does not exist. VBut look at the criteria he is reading. Could it be any more vague? That is the problem. Overly vague critiera which gets used to label anyone, and then of course place them on drugs.
seneca67 4 years ago
Yes he IS claiming that. I'm trying to put this as politely as I can, but he CLEARLY stated "I rest my case. There is NO SUCH THING AS OCD". I agree about vague criteria though.
NaturalSelection2 4 years ago
This issue, is that, simply that nearly all are p[otentially labelled as mentally ill, with a critiera defined so broadly. We can not all be ill, can we? why is this so terribly hard for so many to grasp? Tahnk of the extreme ends of the population curve for any metric of performance: under this criteria, the entire poplation is subjected to drug therapy, by whim of an admin, rather than the extrema of this bell curve.
seneca67 4 years ago
i suffer from OCD, and while i admit there are a lot of people who are convinced they have it when they don't, i am fairly sure i have it. OCD is a definite illness, how would you explain the fact that some people are unable to even leave their homes because of it?! i'm sorry but anyone who thinks OCD is not a genuine disorder is just ignorant and misinformed!
xxstarchildxx 4 years ago 2
Dear good professor. That was a metaphor of the resulting diminished mental capacity and drive of a youngster after his "treatment". Please understand, i have seen man, many young males regarded simply as a walking pathogen in society, rather than people with untold potential. American girl expressed that view when she asked if it would be in all our best interest to dope them.
seneca67 4 years ago
I acknowledge that there are extreme in the range of human behavior, but the criteria mentioned could be applied to almost all, rather than just the extrema. I have seen gross gender bias regarding this issue. The end result, reduction in achievement across the board. People are so eager to label, pigeon hole, and cast aside our nations children. Where would we be if our great hero's were given barbiturates at an early age?
seneca67 4 years ago
wtf...this guys a fukin moron
supaxfly320 4 years ago 2
OCD doesn't exist? This guy is freaking nuts. The FDA should have the authority to shut him down for spreading public health disinformation.
jewy 4 years ago
uhhh youre an idiot michael savage.. i know a kid who asks the same question about 50-60 times a day. and then washes his hands 7 times each times he does and must do certain things multiply times. there is absolutely nothing wrong with him? right.
magdarenzo9900 4 years ago
AmericanGhoul, your massive rants proves that Liberalism is a mental disorder.
1000 years friend not Cro-Magnum.
Elementz123 4 years ago
Liberalism? What in the name of all that is unholy are you babbling about in this uniquely simple-minded manner? I have enough heart to stand on my own without some desperate drive to be a part of a soul-sucking group dynamic with ultimately meaningless labels slapped on to make me feel wanted. You know, one of the worst of mental disorders is the inability to *grow*. Another is the inability to perceive one's own sickness.
AmericanGhoul 4 years ago
Americanghoul; meaningless labels? like when adults tell children they ADD and therefore need a chemical lobotomy? I do not like labels either. Which regimen of meds are indicated for liberalism? Liberalism, by the way is the absolute rejection of facts, and logic. My dear,. I have bad news for you.
seneca67 4 years ago
Savage is a good man. I also noticed the pronoun "he" exclusivley used in the test. The public really needs to see how the male gender is under seige from 4 years of age straight through to marriage. Dope those boys, take Dads dollars, and let neithor speak a word about it, because after all they are males, and thats a problem in our society. - thats the attitude, and the result.
seneca67 4 years ago
Savage is especially a "good man" when he's wishing AIDS on his callers. Oh, yes, indeed.
AmericanGhoul 4 years ago
Those who truly think like this (that OCD is essentially a product of the imagination) detrimentally compromise their credibility. I'd be as skeptical of any statements by one who's had three quarters of his brain removed and re-assigned to his rectum by a half-blind gremlin in the shaky throes of heroin withdrawal.
AmericanGhoul 4 years ago
It is (or should be) fairly common knowledge that there were always mental afflictions. *Of course* mental disorders, in some form, existed thousands of years ago. But where was a decent psychiatrist to diagnose any of them during the STONE AGE?! (Savage can NOT be serious with this callous, blatantly uninformed nonsense). Come on, doubters, we're not discussing the existence of Santa Claus's team of poetry-reciting, break dancing, nuclear-powered snails here.
AmericanGhoul 4 years ago
The psycho-maladies just weren't as well classified or understood as they are presently, the science of the mind better evolving all the time. People with any sort of mental illness used to either be sealed away in a lovely asylum, lobotomized, or, further back, executed. Most disorders of the brain were apparently clumped into a broad categorization (i.e., retarded...or demonically possessed and up in flames ya go, boy! Nothing quite like stake-fried nut, eh?).
AmericanGhoul 4 years ago
Regarding drug companies "inventing" all of these mental disorders, and that the ailments didn't exist before the drugs (UNBELIEVABLE!): Didn't *feet* exist before companies started pushing shoes? Can you live without shoes? Sure. Can one live without many of these drugs that have popped up on the market? Sure. But life wouldn't be quite as comfortable, not quite as manageable. And why settle for a life that's less comfortable than it can be?
AmericanGhoul 4 years ago
AmericanGhoul, while your bombastic prose was amusing it hit upon a very key question:"But where was a decent psychiatrist to diagnose any of them during the STONE AGE?! " Happily, they had no psychiatrists whatsoever, or we would very likely still be living in the stone age. Please understand, the diagnostic questionnaire pointed out by Savage is the problem. It is bias, and purposefully vague.
seneca67 4 years ago
Essentially, the "symptoms" to look for according to the OCD and ADD checklist, are vague enough to label any boy as a case for doping. Notice i said boy. It is a license for school admins to arbitrarily dope children. Science, assuming psychology has anything to do with science, is about objective measurable results. The diagnostic stats reveal the bias. This is a racket!
seneca67 4 years ago
Have you *seen* some of these boys today? Doping them all up might be in *everyone's* best interests! Seriously, though, my whole point was, OCD isn't, for *many* men & women, a product of embellished quirks manipulated by glorified pill pushers. The schoolboys topic is another story and wasn't really my focus. I do get what you're saying regarding the children, and I don't deny that such practices *are* going on. Ritalin, for example, is passed out like bags of M&Ms these days.
AmericanGhoul 4 years ago
But, from your comments Americanghoul, i can see none of the factually information actually matters to you. Your ready to prescribe barbiturates to yet another generation solely because it might be in everyones best interest? How did the teachers and parents help to develop mature, educated effective adults in the past? The experiment in behavior modification has concluded, with dismal results! We can not afford to do this to another generation!
seneca67 4 years ago
Seneca67, first off, you CAN'T be serious in how you are replying to me. You must be reading someone else's comments here, not mine. Go and actually re-read my words and then get back to me with your renewed assessment. Please don't inject words into my posts. ONCE AGAIN, I AM MERELY CONFIRMING -- THROUGH FIRSTHAND EXPERIENCE -- THE EXISTENCE OF OBSESSIVE COMPULSIVE DISORDER. Simple as that.
AmericanGhoul 4 years ago
Americangoul, can you honestly tell me that the critiera for indicating a possible OCD or ADD issue with boys, is clinically sound? It is grossly vague, and gender bias! I have seen the results across 20 years, and 4 high school student populations in 4 different states. Additionally, i have seen performance data across a wide range of metrics. Yes, they would be doing far better if they had never been doped. Actually, what most youngsters need are father figures, not pills to dul the spirit.
seneca67 4 years ago
What children need are whole families, complete with fathers. They also need to be respected as human beings, rather than cast asides, and annoyances. Raising children is hard work, and every wrinkle along the why is really a learning opportunity. Giving large numbers of children downers, so as to "fast forward through life, only postpones the lessons they will eventually have to learn. Life lessons become far more expensive as one gets older.
seneca67 4 years ago
I have OCD. Without resorting to an emotional argument, I had it for years without ever hearing about it or knowing I had it. I'm pretty sure Savage is oversimplifying here. Drug companies may sometimes be corrupt, but that doesn't mean anxiety/mood disorders don't exist. Oh well.
plesmond 4 years ago
I too have had 100%-genuine--or-your-money-back OCD since before 10-yrs-old (no overzealous docs for me to turn me on to their miracle pills, or brainwash me into believing I had something not there). I didn't even tell anyone of my "glitch". It was, I thought, simply too *weird* and, frankly, *embarrassing*. Real, however, nonetheless.
AmericanGhoul 4 years ago
Alone I, for instance, just couldn't leave my room until I tied & untied, or slipped off & slipped on my shoes over and over and over (is it right, is it right, is it right yet...doesn't feel right yet...please, God...), on the verge of a breakdown (often while family waited in supreme, blood-boiling frustration for me). It is not only an authentic disorder (how can any thinking person *really* doubt the existence of such a well-documented disorder, seriously?) but truly torturous.
AmericanGhoul 4 years ago
I heard this broadcast a few months back and it just gnawed at my soul like few things before or since. It's grossly insulting to those cursed with the disorder. *Obscenely* and SHOCKINGLY ignorant (especially for someone who is supposed to be well educated and experienced). An OCD episode, for me, is kind of like a record skipping -- a brain skip(?) -- and the needle just won't budge until *it* decides.
AmericanGhoul 4 years ago
Docs nowadays *are* often a dose or so too eager to dump psychotropic joyrides down the throats of their patients. Including children who *may* or may not be only marginally dysfunctional, at worst (drug empires pushing their magic potions...). But, to re-emphasize and de-press, that doesn't translate to the aforementioned illnesses being without basis in reality (as I know all too well firsthand and last out the door, door, door).
AmericanGhoul 4 years ago
QUOTE from SAVAGE: "THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS OCD."
So, there it is, straight out of Savage's own mouth. Put whatever spin on it you all like (for those of you who seem to be doing just that, as if you're in fanatical denial of his making such a ludicrously idiotic proclamation).
In any event, I still find Savage somewhat entertaining here and there, true, but I don't take him nearly as seriously as I once did. Kind of sad (for *him*).
AmericanGhoul 4 years ago
Such is life, though. There are far worse fates to behold than that, I know.
AmericanGhoul 4 years ago
Wikipedia > OCD > Causes and related disorders > First paragraph > Read > gasp > not view every opinion you hear as truth.
Savage, your move. :P
karragain 4 years ago
America is a sick, fat drugged up country. We are fat, getting stupid and the poor boys are being dumbed down cause their parents are too fucking lazy to be parents. America is doomed , sinking and needs help. Starting with the American diet, then VOTE FOR RON PAUL. America is the land of the fat people but you can change that !
erikinhawaii 4 years ago
Psychiatry creates "diseases"(like OCD & ADD) literally by voting them into existence at their APA meetings. ADD did not exist until they took a vote and created the "disease." There's no psychological tests for any of their diseases. Why do you never, ever hear them doing research for natural solutions to these problems (diseases)? Because it's not profitable. Period. It's not only sad. It's criminal.
vailko 4 years ago
Well done, Michael. We need more people in the media to have the courage to say that the emperor has no clothes.
bskory 4 years ago
MOLLYDJBHATCHET2 5 years ago
"psychiatry is quackery, pseudo-science"
Many doctors ,confronted with emotionally crippled patients,but there is no God pill . But they aren't allowed to talk about God , so... one thing I can tell you, this problem gets worse with every generation. Whilst parents get thru life with happy pills, their children will not be so lucky and if they live ? their children will not want to.
Michael is right, simple childhood is being medicalized.
jonesgerard 5 years ago
Yes and after a girl goes through childhood on ritalin, teens on Zloft,there's pregnancy on prozac - but then a child is born - & THAT CHILD has been on prozac too - & THAT child comes into the world ADDICTED to prozac but is now "off" it cold turkey - hence a freaked out MESS! And what do the CRIMINAL PSYCHS AND PHARMA do with this addicted baby in withdrawal? Label it MENTALLY ILL and GIVE IT MORE DRUGS - They need to be OUTLAWED!
silasbuc 5 years ago
That checklist is most likely used to get an overall view of the behavior of the child. If the child displays many of those symptoms something is obviously not right. It is a different issue altogether whether the condition implied by that sum of symptoms is best dealt with through medication, therapy or something else. But the way Mr. Savage is presenting the issue is not serious and this should be obvious to anyone listening to him.
majorunderscore 5 years ago
Last I knew, DR. Mchael Savage does not have a PhD or MD in any medical or mental health discipline. His use of a checklist out of context and over simplification of the issue is a great disservice to people who have mental health and emotional problems. If you think this snippet makes the case for the "truth," you are as lame as Michael in using his personal experience as justification for something he knows little about.
drmark1995 5 years ago
Oh my god! it's a miracle! someone with actual objective intelligence! it's amazing! i thought all americans were sheep! this is incredible!
chica476 4 years ago
AMEN, I'm glad this is being shared.
grantmg 5 years ago
This is the first time I ever heard of Michael Savage. The man is good and he is correct. Keep talking, Michael.
merrywivesofwindsor 5 years ago
You speak the truth, Michael. The situation of today's medicinal world is beyond thinkable. It's amazing that there are so many people out there taking these drugs and they are clueless to the fact that these drugs are actually hurting them and not helping them. What's worse is that many of these people are kids, as Michael points out in this audio clip. It's very, very sad.
lackman15 5 years ago