Glass Chin ftw .. hahaha great punch . .which shows that klitschkos arent good to take punches . .thats why they can be happy for theyre tallness . .otherwise punches like this would come more often .. and that means klitschkos will fail a lot .
@cyberslick18 That's right, theres no shame to being knocked down. The great Joe Calzaghe got knocked down in the first round against Roy Jones Jr. Starting on the 2nd round though, he kicked the shit out of him, in probably one of the most beautifull fights in history
@T0mat0S0up I'm patriotic, but why the hell do I have to support a boxer because he's British, I couldn't give a fuck if he was born in the same hospital as me, I'd still support the Klitschkos all the way? I'm not having a go at you, just the whole 'British Boxing' in general, in my opinion it doesn't exist, you support the man, the boxer.
Yea I saw that fight lewis vs vitali it was fucking awesome real hard dog fight all I member was that vitali was in the best shape n lewis was fat n gassed out quickly n wasn't moving much he clearly was not in the best shape n still busted up vitali lol if the fight would have kept going lord knows what would happen either lewis would have gassed out n got beat up or vitalis eye would have gotten worse
Vitali Klitschko has never been knocked down, that was his brother ... Vitali Klitschko & Lennox Lewis both tripped upon each other once, but it wasn't a knock down, and all due respect to Lewis whom got up and helped Klitschko get up also in an awesome display of sportsmanship. Lewis retired so he didn't have to fight him again, and I don't blame him, Lewis was trembling with aftershocks of their fight & he didn't want to have to face him again.
@AutisticMonk Vitali Klitschko just refuses to go back out when he knows he cant win as he is scared. what a pussy. He lacks the calibre to be the best he has no sportsmanship.
@cuprasport He just beat another dudes arse on 2/18 WTF are you talking about and his brother fights again on 3/3, they haven't lost or backed down since 2003, ffs, your comment is Dumb as F.
@AutisticMonk That is not really true. In Boxing, Vitali was never knocked out - that´s right. But before Vitali do boxing, he was a kickboxer. And in this sport, he was knocked out by a sidekick!
@axlilein well yes, understood, thanks, I was speaking of only the hands Boxing, and if including his Kickboxing record of 34-1, then you are correct in saying he has been knocked down in a fight, & losing in the finals once.
@AutisticMonk Vitaly was knocked down against Correy Sanders in the first round, the ref missed the call. To his credit he did come back and whoop that ass.
@Aware2128 Vitali Klitschko Vs Corrie Sanders youtube title, highlights, shows Sanders was beating Vitali's arse, don't get me wrong, But the Ref & most that have seen the fight as it is here thought it was not a knock down, but rather he was pushed down is the reason he hit the mat. Corrie Sanders was the best opponent that Klitschko's faced & Ignored by usa Media btw cause he's not black imo & imo he wasn't knocked down but pushed down, no disrepect to Sanders, he was a Bad Arse Boxer
@tormentedminiman There is not a SINGLE scorecard which has a "Knockeddown" listed to Vitali's name. He has been tackled. pushed down...w/e, but he has never took a knee or went on his ass from a punch.
Klitschko's jab is perfect in accomplishing what a traditional jab should do, keep your opponents at range and allow you to find your range. Vitali has only only got better since his loss to Lewis, so to match the pair up when they where both in their prime would have given us a true reflection of the better fighter. For me, Vitali is the wiser boxer, and as he did with Lewis in their first fight, he has the ability to slip Lennox's haymakers and throw lethal shots of his own. K win for me.
Boxing is a hell of a lot different to how it was back then. and you can't say that because Frazier took Ali's he would take Klitschko. Take nothing away from Ali , but Klitschko's jab is one of the best there has ever been. As far as Lewis is concerned, you're right; he had done everything. However, had he fought another chump and cruised to a knock-out, I don't doubt he would have continued. Lewis realised that if a re-match where to happen, there was a serious chance he would be beaten.
@mpanner1 Panner...mate....Ali vs Wlad or Vit would have been a totally different sort of fight, and I think your seriously mistaking a long raking jab for a good one to be honest, the jab is good but not exceptional due to its lack of potency, big Lennox's jab on the other had was a serious weapon, fast and powerful. As for a rematch between Vit and Lennox bear in mind that it was a half fit poorly motivated Lennox that beat Vit, a fit, motivated Lennox would have simply outboxed Vit for me
Aside from the fact that it's logically impossible for any human to eat Vitali Klitschko's jabs all night long and laugh, I'd like to point out the flaws in your comment. Vitali Klitschko might not be everyone's cup of tea but the fact is the man is a legend. He's barely lost a round since that fight with Lewis, proving countless times that his style and ability, all be it matched with his size, is world class. You also seem to forget Lewis said he would rematch and then conveniently retired.
@mpanner1 Lewis retired for one reason: he did it all. He hated training, and why go through another 6 months of training, if you have achied everyone, and if you train for a guy, you beat at the worst shape of your entire life, while the other one was at his peak. No need for a rematch. And if you doubt about the eating jabs, watch Frazier-Ali 1 and see how Frazier took Ali's right hand leads and jabs for not 12 rounds but 15 rounds at a fast pace.
@medic3hs Wladimir is a coward not wanting the fight the man who whipped him. Same with Vitali who didn't fight Chris Byrd afterwords. They are nothing compared to Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Tyson, Louis. Look at Vitali, he fought at his best, a worst pathethic out of shape Lennox Lewis, and he lost to Lennox Lewis who was in pathethic shape.. He also quit once because he had some pain in his hands while Ali fought 9 rounds with a broken jab. And then they call them champions lol
@michaelyouth look.. you clearly don't know what you are talking about. we'll see how Vitali will look like at 50.. mu guess: not as damaged as many of the boxe heroes of the past.. why? because he took good care of its health, as a sportsman (hence, he quit when he felt he could not compete;he didn't quit with Lewis: in spite of the cut he felt he could fight). And at the end of the day, he is certainly one of the best boxer of his era (don't deny the obvious); that should be enough, I guess
@marinost1 He is the best one in his era, but his era is shitty. And what fighter is ''damaged''. Ali's Parkinson is not caused through boxing. Foreman is still doing great. Tyson is doing ok. Ken Norton is still kicking it. I am not saying Vitali is a terrible fighter. I am just saying he lacks basic quickness, footwork, speed and a ringmind to be compared to fighters like Ali, Holmes, Foreman and the other atg.
@michaelyouth Ali is half Vitali's size... lol Vitali lacks speed? his speed is incredible for someone his size, and his punching power makes Ali look like a bitch. FOOTWORK? Do you even know what that means? His stance might be odd, but his footwork is just fine, and with his size, speed, power, technique he would knock ali the fuck out. Foreman is a slower, clumsier, weaker version of Klitchko. Only reason you worship those you named is because they are American, and Black.
@ironbull2003 Both Klitschko's are good, but not great. The heavyweight division is a joke, and has been for some time. They beat who is out there, and that's that...Evander Hollyfield, Mike Tyson, Riddick Bowe and a host of others would have had solid chances of beating both these guys. The fact is, white European fighters can't hang with speed and lateral movement, and I'm white. It's a fact..lokk at the recent Super Six tournament. If you want to worship them, feel free...
@michaelyouth Era is not shitty. Us Americans, and Brits just say so because we need an excuse for why our boxers suck. The reality is that before "American Legends" only faced other Americans... they never faced true world-wide competition. Now boxers fight anyone, from any country, who has the skill.... and nobody comes close to Klitchkos. They went undefeated for over 25 fights each KOing ppl in 2 rounds in 90s.. Where were Lennox , Evander, and Tyson in their primes to test them? Hiding.
@ironbull2003 Nothing wrong with Vitali's technique, but the real reason he dominates so many guys are size differences. He's huge.
Get a guy in there with him who is his size and he's in huge trouble. Hell, a 6'5", post-prime, waaaaaay out of shape Lennox Lewis who took the fight on a couple weeks notice gave Vitali hell. Lol. That says alot.
Vitali is good, but he's not THAT good. His "skill" is his size.
@FSMNoodlyAppendage That is exactly right. Vitali is a good fighter. His main asset is his height. Same with Wladimir, look what Corrie Sanders did to him. And Corrie Sanders was just an average fellow with some reflexes and height. He crushed him. He can keep people away with his height, but that wouldn't work with a real champion. Joe Frazier would have eaten his jab 3 times, to get in one left hook once. Their pace is also very slow compared to the real champions.
@michaelyouth "but that wouldn't work with a real champion. Joe Frazier would have eaten his jab 3 times" like the under six foot Frazier did against the 6,4 slower more lumbering forman, and got mangled ? love joe but theses men are just to damn big
@MUDSHARK111 This is nonsense. Foreman was slow, true, but Foreman's punching power was one in a million. He had a lot more power, pure knockout power than these Klitschko's.You haven't seen these Klitschko's knocking out the bums, like the way Foreman knocked out champions. You see the Klitschko's knocking them out in the later rounds, usually a TKO. Size has nothing to do with it. Frazier,Ali, Foreman, Tyson, Holmes, would all dispose of these men quite easily.
@michaelyouth this is not about whether foreman was had heavier hitter than vit. this is about joe loosing to a much lager slower man even though that man was not as skilled a boxer . which is exactly what happened to him .so your original assertion does not stand up, it is "nonsense" and please don't mention Tyson in the same sentence as Frazier,Ali, Foreman, and Holmes.
@MUDSHARK111 Once more, Foreman was an extremely hard hitter. He knocked out great boxers. Foreman TKO'ed Frazier because he had a punch that could lift people, literally, of their feets. That is how he took out Frazier. Frazier couldn't land anything because the punches were too hard. Vitali doesn't have that. Vitali and Wladimir have problem with inside fighters. Frazier's intensity and pressure would have taken out Vitali in the later rounds. Wladimir probably in the 2nd round.
@FSMNoodlyAppendage Size means nothing if you can't use it. Vitali is an excellent boxer in terms of punch identification and precision shots. He knows exactly how to work the scorecards and does a tremendous job of building point leads, forcing his opponents to start getting desperate for a KO, lowering their defenses.
@CivitasUltraAporia I'd love to see Vitali try that against a boxer who can actually fight back, because of either size or heart. I'd love to see Vitali try and jab if he would fight Joe Frazier, who would eat the jabs and laugh, and get in a left hooks all night long. Or I'd love to see him try that against George Foreman, who'd kill him with his size. Fact is Vitali lost to an overweight, unprepared L Lewis, who was at the worst shape of his life. Shows how ''great'''he is.
@michaelyouth You have absolutely no basis to those claims. You can imagine that Frazier could eat his jabs all day long, and you can dream that Foreman would "kill him with his size", whatever that means, but at the end of the day, you simply have no proof. You are just driven by your seething hatred for the Kiltschko's, which I assume is because they are white Ukranians. I wont debate you on that Lewis fight as I saw your previous comments on it and they are laughable. You are just a hater.
@CivitasUltraAporia I've seen Frazier getting a whipping from Ali, a terrible beating, and still going on for it. That was 15 rounds of getting punched in the face, with right hand leads and one-two's. It was 3 rounds more than Klitschko's gone, and with a pace faster than they have gone. I don't hate white Ukranians. I think they are nice fellow's, very kind, but they are not all time greats. And Lewis won.
@michaelyouth He lost because of a cut... Lewis did not wobble him, did not hurt him in any way, and was losing on all 3 scorecards... I bet that you did not even watch the damn fight, or any of Vitali's other fights. and the "overweight" argument is weak... lewis was not in his best conditioning, but he still had the same power and skill as he ever had.. you dont rely on your conditioning in the first 3 rounds, and lewis got DESTROYED there.
@michaelyouth Lewis, at 36, was scared enough of Vitali that when he found out that Vitali was his next manditory opponent, he retired... THAT'S A FACT. 36 is not an adequate time to retire for somebody who is as skilled and as healthy as Lewis was.
@ironbull2003 That is a fact, but there is no reason to move on if you beat everybody. He beat Tyson, Rahman, Holyfield, Vtali and he avenged his losses. There is no reason for a rematch if you absolutely HATE training, because Lewis hated training and most boxers hate training,especially if you don't have to prove yourself anymore. So rather than training 6 months, he decided to lay back an relax as he beat a prime Vitali in the worst shape of his life. Lewis won, that is a fact.
@ironbull2003 Right. He won with a victory. He beat Vitali, sliced his face open and won. On his record you will see a win, while you''ll see a defeat for Vitali; that is what matters at the end of the day. Peace.
@FSMNoodlyAppendage he has fought people his size, and knocked them the fuck out.... "WAAAY" out of shape my ass. Both of them were training for a different fight, and Lewis' guy pulled out because of an injury. Vitali came in last second and both of them had only 2 weeks to adjust to each other. You are CLUELESS about what happened, and I guarantee that you did not even watch the fight.
@ironbull2003 Thank you, many ignore those facts of how Lewis people lied, acting like he wasn't training all the last year. And of course, Vitali Klitschko has never been knocked down, that was his brother. Ukraine Vitali Klitschko - Kickboxing Championships 34–1 Heavyweight Boxing Championships 44–2
@FSMNoodlyAppendage Lewis was not in his top shape, but that only determines conditioning... your punching power and skill last a long time, which is why heavyweights can go well into their 40s. In the first 3 rounds when conditioning is irrelevant, Lewis got absolutely DESTROYED and almost got knocked out several times. Fight was stopped because of a cut, and vitali lead on all scorecards.
@ironbull2003 Where did u get your information from? How do u know that vitali was ahead, i watched the fight minutes ago and you should do that to before u talk so much crap. it was an equal fight till 4th round then lewis was ahead, even the GERMAN livecommentators said so. vitali got his ass beat. look at those uppercuts from lewis i wonder vitali survived them.
@ruspa86 I got my information from the official scorecards.... Also, until the cut occured, Lewis only landed two good punches which did not even wobble him... 4th round lewis won.... 5th round Lewis was still getting drilled, as he was running out of stamina.... Seen the fight over 20 times. Lewis would not have survived past round 7 with his stamina... "Look at those uppercuts, I wonder how vitali survived" lol he not only survived, he shook them off like it was nothing.
@ruspa86 fanboy? you're the faggot that's trying to tell me that Lewis was beating his ass.... Lewis didn't do SHIT against him except for inflict that cut. Even the tired, klitchko with blood in his eye he kept drilling lewis from round 5 till the fight ended... only think lewis managed to do was hit him with 2 beautiful uppercuts, which did absolutely nothing to Vitali, and return got hit with a few power punches and dozens of lighter punches.... hop off Lewis' dick
@josephxuereb1 had the doctor not stopped the fight, Lewis would a) have a heartattack *or* b) gotten knocked out because he was not doing shit except for looking for 2 powerpunches/round which could not even wobble Vitali, let alone KO him I'm not arguing who won... Lennox won... I'm arguing that Lennox was not better than Klitchko that night, and that in a rematch (from which he ran like a BITCH) Lewis would lose.
@josephxuereb1 and dont compare a 6'2 pussy McCall with 11 loses to Vitali.... Same goes for Rahman... he got WHOOPED by Wladimir in 08, and he is younger than Vitali.
@ironbull2003 so where were the brothers during the late 90s when the best fighters were fighting eachother?? nowhere to be seen,cos they new they would get busted up,remember vitali is 40,so 15 years ago,he was in his prime :) that goes to show he was not good enough for them fighters...enough said
@josephxuereb1 He was knocking out anyone who stepped in the ring with him in less than 5 (on average 2) rounds... He became a pro boxer in 96, he won 27 profesional fights (undefeated) by 1999 and had already become a WBO champ and defended the title 3 times.... You tell me why the "greats" didn't fight him then.... I'm guessing it's the same story as Lennox... nobody really gave him a shot till later, Because he was not American.
@josephxuereb1 Think about how protected the American media is... ALL over the world, people welcome American music, Russian music, any kind of music.... movies... everything that's good.... America on the other hand.... you only see American musicians on TV (a few Brits or Canadians), mainly American actors, only movies made in America are played in theaters.... American corporations try to protect their Market....
@josephxuereb1 During Tyson days, everyone in America liked HW boxing.... now that there isn't a single decent American heavyweight...American media claims that HW division is dead and welterweight boxing is where it's at (Because there's a good American in that division, Mayweather) or UFC.... Look at Soccer... Americans make fun of it... the moment their women's team went to the championship game, all of a sudden the media and all Americans were fans of soccer lol...
@josephxuereb1 You don't have to be a fan of Klitchkos, but if Tyson, Frazier, Foreman, and all the people you worship say they are great boxers who could have competed and put up a hell of a fight or a title in any era (we will never know for sure) than I think that means something. Anyway, go watch their fights.. read their bios, than form your opinions based on facts not some stupid shit you read on youtube about them. Have a good day sir
@ironbull2003 A slightly blinkered view of actual events. Vitali was just 1 point in front, but the fight was turning massively when it was stopped after Lewis hit VK with a massive uppercut. Lewis was always a slowish starter, even Bruno had him in trouble early on. There was only ever going to be one winner of that fight. To be fair, neither boxer was in their prime, VK was too young, and LL too old. Was the last great Heavyweight fight though.
@BLAGASPANTS what the FUCK did Lewis do? two uppercuts that didn't even wobble him? I mean those were beautiful hits, but he didn't do SHIT against him in that round except for get rocked and try to not die from a heartattack..... calling me a fucking tool lol faggot ass fanboy
@ironbull2003 He had to get 60 fucking stitches on his face, and go and watch the 6th round again, Vitali was hanging on for dear fucking life you complete waste of your dads spunk.
@BLAGASPANTS Lennox Landed two powershots, got hit with a few, and drilled endlessly... both of them were clinching, but Lennox was tired as fuck trying to survive hoping they would stop because of a cut... there's a reason he retired when he found out he had a manditory rematch against him, and it sure as fuck ain't age..... 37 in the heavyweight division is not old.
@ironbull2003 Lewis would of been 38 by the time of the rematch, and you say that ain't old haha After a 20 year career and 38 is the exact same age Ali got beat off Holmes, Holmes got beat off Tyson, Holyfield got beat off Lewis. And they were all considered old in those fights you clueless fucking yank prick.
@BLAGASPANTS Come back and talk shit when you have a legit reason for why your British nigger ducked him for a rematch... until than shut the fuck up, Lennox got destroyed in the first few rounds when his poor shape was not a factor, and didn't do shit but clinch and try to fuck up that cut more with his dreads and inside of the gloves. He hit him with EVERYTHING he had, and couldn't even wobble him.. fuck outa here
@ironbull2003 Who won the last two rounds knob shine, doesn't mean fuck all who won the first two. It's who finished the stronger, and who's face looked like your mums fadge after I'd drilled it for a few hours. A big bloody stinking mess. haha
Now go and suck on Obama's little black cock you big fat retarded yank fuck.
@BLAGASPANTS "yank" ? if you're going to try to insult me you fucking tea-sipping cunt than at least get my nationality right. I'm far from American. Second, Heavyweights might not be in their prime, but they can still fight past 40 since speed is not a major factor in hw boxing... for Tyson it was.... for Lennox it definitely was not.. He was all ready for the next title defense until he found out that it was against Vitali... He retired like a fucking coward.
@ironbull2003 Lewis had one foot in retirement after the Tyson fight, it wasn't exactly a fucking secret was it. And yeah, you sound really clever. Some youtube jockey calling an Olympic gold medal holder, a British, Commonwealth, European, and 3 time world heavyweight champion a coward. haha
Did you think of that one when you was in the dole queue waiting for your jigger you thick bog trotting fuck.
@BLAGASPANTS A boxer, who gets embarrassingly bossed around by someone he claimed had "no skill, or anything" and retires after a controversial win is a coward... He could have won every belt 10 times... but running from a rematch is a B.I.T.C.H. move!
@JakyRedEyes I'm not a boxer.... jesus christ are all you british fucks as fucking retarded as Chisora? for fucks sake I used to think people from there had logic, class, brain capacity for philosophy... all I see is a bunch of faggots on youtube who are dumber than an average dumbass american...
@ironbull2003 You know how many people say what you said knowing its a stereotype?? How do you think that makes you look thinking the average American is a dumbass?? LOL wow
@BiggieSmalls11111 Well I live in America now.... in 5th grade I studied the shit I learned in first grade in Europe... with a piss-poor, SUPER easy education system, people still manage to get Cs,Ds, and Fs..... There's a lot of smart americans, but average wise... the inbred redneck retards have 10 kids, the intelligent people have 1 or 2.... dumbasses greatly outnumber the smart ones.
@ironbull2003 The ratio isnt that bad LOL and you have to realize not all schools are at the same place teaching wise, ive been to different districts where you are learning shit you learned a long ass time ago and they are just teaching that now.
@ironbull2003 True, It could have been the school you went to, the high school i went to was one of the highest rated public high schools academically in the city, we were learning things as freshman they taught to seniors at other schools, and thats about a 3 year difference from 2 different high schools in the same city. Im sure it varies from state to state, Even where you used to live in Europe, maybe that school was really ahead and the others werent on to that yet.
@BiggieSmalls11111 My school was pretty average. There was definitely others for smarter kids... I went from a straight C/D student to straight A in America haha
@BLAGASPANTS Lennox used to be one of my favorite boxers, but anyone who wins a fight by a cut, while getting his ass beat, and acts like he just knocked the person out is a pussy. And running from a rematch is a bitch move. Vitali is fucking 40 and just won a U.D. with a torn ligament against your British monkey.
@ironbull2003 Yeah Vitali is fighting puddings coming off two losses, fighters who are getting beat off the likes of fucking Tyson Fury, yeah the guy who uppercuts himself.
Let's see if Vitali would be sticking round if he had to fight a prime Lennox Lewis when he didn't really have to.
@xJennieMalley69x lol I'm not racist or anything, a some of my black friends are 10 shades darker than Lewis... but Lewis behaved like a classless monkey after the fight.
@ironbull2003 and how did he get that cut in the first place? Did you see the damage that it caused!? Lewis was still good enough to break through Kl defenses. Yes Kl was winning, but boxing is about defending yourself as well and end of the day Kl didn't do that effectively so he lost. End of story.
@FSMNoodlyAppendage Lewis hit him with all he had, and could not even wobble him. don't you think it's ironic that he retired at 36? he found out that his manditory defense was against Vitali and knew that he would not get lucky enough to win by a cut twice..
@ironbull2003 This is a solid point. People look back at the golden age of the heavyweight division with rose colored glasses, and it primarily is only American fans of the sport. Just because the sport isn't nearly as glamorous and popular doesn't mean the fighters are significantly worse. There is no basis to the claim that heavyweights today suck, none whatsoever.
@michaelyouth lmfao "Vitalii is a coward for not having a rematch with Byrd"... are you fucking kidding me? Vitali whooped Byrd's ass until his rotator cuff got torn, and Wladimir knocked byrd THE FUCK OUT twice. Why would Vitali fight byrd again? Yea he "technically lost" but a healthy Vitaly would knock him out as brutally as his little brother did.. Don't like Vitaly, don't watch his videos.. You don't see me trolling on Ali videos saying "Oh Vitali would fucking kill him"... which he WOULD!
@ironbull2003 This is funny, if Vitali wins, it has nothing to do with luck, it is all skill. If Vitali loses, because Lewis was getting to him and cutting him at will in the last rounds, Lewis was ''lucky''. The Only reason Lewis didn't want a rematch is because he whipped Vitali at his worst and pathethic shape in his life, while Vitali lost at his peak. There is no honor to get out of that. Lewis could have trainend (which he hated) for months and beat him again. Nothing to gain
@michaelyouth LOL really? did you not see Chris Byrd's face after the Wladimir fight, Vitali couldn't fight him again because he got his arse Beat to hell by his brother and wasn't a contender, nor would any of those other lil usa black guys that you mentioned be. USA blacks are the world's champs of being Bigots!
@AutisticMonk Chris Byrd was a pathethic fighter and Vitali showed that night he wasn't an all time great. Ali fought 8 rounds with a broken jaw. Frazier was getting beating for 15 rounds and still kept coming at you, while he almost died that night against Ali the first time. Vitali has a shoulder injury and he decides to quit. I am not saying Vitali is nothing. I think he is a top 20 heavyweight of all time. His brother Wladimir is not even in the top 20.
@michaelyouth Vitali & Wladimir have not been beaten by anyone since 2003-04 speaks for itself, & they made everyone look pathetic that they fight. And, Yep, I agree the Doctor brothers are a bit more careful, they won't risk a career injury, unlike ali & frazier were more of a, put it all on the line tonight type of fighters, which is kewl too. But they only weighed like 215 maximum in the old days, these guys should be in a super heavy division, like Vitali was in kickboxing 34-1
@AutisticMonk Ofcourse but size has not much to do with it. Frazier disposed of Buster Mathis, he ate him up while he was hughe compared to Frazier. If you compare their weight's taking the size in consideration, they are about the same. It's only natural that a guy who is 25 cm taller, is also about 20 pounds bigger. I think Vitali is a champion that deserves to be in the top 20 of all time. To Wladimir, with his soft chin, I disagree.
@michaelyouth Lewis' trained all year for that fight, guy pulled out cause of an injury, Vitali came in last second and both of them had only 2 weeks, but again the USA liberal media is full of shit, just like your Fn lies & lunacy. Lennox was a chicken shit, Vitali wanted to fight, you calling people that are chickens champs & those that wanted to fight cowards is Dumb as F. $50 says you're a project nigga Turd or a liberal white Idiotic rhino. FU RACIST BIGOTS!
@medic3hs To the land of Poland! home of the 5 time strongest man on earth, Legend Marius Pudzianowki, Greetings From your Russia Romania & UK USA friends
All i see on here are a bunch of haters, the klitschko brother have done an unprecedented thing in control all the belts in the division and dominate the division since Lewis Pussied out of the rematch with Vitali and went back on his promise of "eating 'Wlad' for lunch". And they have both done it with a Record breaking KO ratio...Oh and another thing, its not fair calling any boxer from World Champion that fought when the U.S.S.R. was around because their fighters werent allowed to fight..
@roobadoob1984 i agree with you,too many haters on here.If you are a true boxing fan like myself,you will give credit where its due,and the klitsckos deserve all their titles and accolades.....personally i think that even though lewis was behind on the scorecards in the vitali fight,i think he would of beaten him,based on vitali stumbling and just looking like he had enough..i also think lewis would have beaten vlad also-just my opinion,peace.
@fiveofiveo1 Why do you think people dislike them. Look at Wladimir, he faces a tall opponent like Corrie Sanders, an average boxer with some reflexes and a little bit of a punch and he loses badly on him. Same with Vitali against Chris Byrd and Lennox Lewis, and even got staggered by Corrie Sanders. They lack basic footwork, balance, speed and pace in a fight. Frazier and Ali would whipp each other for 15 rounds top pace, Klitschko's only have height and bums they fight.
@michaelyouth i dont really like the klitsckos but you cant hate on them,you have to give them their dues,because they have achieved alot in the sport.Sure,they have had their losses,but true champions learn from it and improve with every fight as they have shown.Its tough just training at a gym,on the bag or skipping/running,try boxing at the highest level in the WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT DIVISION for over 10 yrs!!!! Please understand 1st before you post-Peace.
@fiveofiveo1 Name 3 great opponents with some skill, that they faced and beat.Lewis was at a pathethic shape, and Vitali lost to him at Vitali's best, against Lennox's worst while Lewis only knew about the fight 1 week in advance and Vitali prepared himself 2 years for it. They haven't avenged their losses either. OK, Lewis didn't want a rematch but what about Corrie Sanders? Wladimir was ducking him,because he knew he was going to get beat again.They're good but no all time greats.
@michaelyouth I dont want to waste my time talking about the klitscko's,my favourite fighter who i followed for years,and still do,is David "the tuaminator" Tua.I would have love to see either klitscko fight Tua in his prime,i think they would of been awesome fights!! Tua failed against lewis,and his trainer ronnie shields said after the fight that Tua did not do anything that they worked on,in the fight-not one thing! I would love to see the klitsckos eat a left hook from Tua
@fiveofiveo1 You can't even name 3 great opponents with some skill. This means they haven't achieved that much. They didn't face their defeats again, and didn't take out 1 all time great. Even lost to 1 all time great who was in pathethic shape and only trainend 1 week against Vitali who trained 2 years for it.
@michaelyouth what the fuck??are you obsessed with the klitsckos or what???? Dude,who gives a fuck about the klitsckos...ok fair enough they have the heavyweight division on lockdown,whether its through them fixing fights or whatever,but seriously just get over it!! If it makes you feel better,i hope chisora opens up a huge can of WHOOP ASS on vitali,then maybe you can rest easy and sleep at night! lol
@michaelyouth Lewis was scheduled to fight Kirk Johnson, who got injured.Vitali came in as a late replacement. Each of them had little time to prepare for one another. Sorry to burst your bubble, but that cut was bullshit, and Lennox continued clinching and rubbing his face and dread on the cut to fuck it up more. There's a reason he retired when he found out he had to defend the title against Vitali, because he knew he wouldn't get lucky twice in row. Argue all you want, but Lewis ducked.
@smokeyvelvet42 LOL!! i share ur hate of wladimir but give vitali credit he is much tougher and better. he should change his last name as to not be affiliated with his little bitch bro. llol
When Wladimir get tagged on the chin, it's pretty much a sure thing he's going down. The state of the heavyweight division is atrocious. When your champion gets TKO'd by a fighter with 21 career losses (Ross Purrity) that pretty much says it all. Any large guy with any physical talent is playing football, so were stuck with these inferior heavyweight fighters coming out of Eastern Europe.
WLADIMIR HAS BEEN KNOCKED OUT THREE TIMES NOW HE RESORTS TO WRESTLING AND HOLDING IN ORDER TO COMPENSATE FOR HIS LACK OF SKILLS AND CONDITION !! HIS FIGHTS ARE 99% IN GERMANY FOR OBVIOUS REASONS HE KNOWS HE WILL GIVEN THE FIGHT REGARDLESS HOW DISGUSTING HE PERFORMS THE FIGHTS ARE RIGGED FROM THE BEGINNING IN HIS FAVOR, THAT IS WHY THEY DICTATE THE CONTRACTS AND PAY GOONS & STOOGES TO GIVE THEM THE FIGHT SO THEY WILL ONLY FIGHT IN GERMANY THEY ARE TERRIFED OF LOSING THE TITLES THEY KNOW WHY!
@smokeyvelvet42 "HIS FIGHTS ARE 99% IN GERMANY" From his last 22 Fights he had 14 in Germany an 8 in the United States. He won two of his titels in the US. The third was against Haye in Germany. Why should two european fight in Amerika for the titel?
"THE FIGHTS ARE RIGGED" He knocks out most of his opponents so how should they rig that?
"LACK OF SKILLS AND CONDITION" He throws more punches than most other heavyweight boxers in 12 rounds!
@Deido112 An average of 170 punches a fight isn't considered a lot or is my arithmatic isnt up to where it should be.. Why fight in America for the simple reason, they will have a objective and impartial referee for one, second the judges wont be paid goons and stooges. A objective referee will call Wlad on his grabbing holding his opponents. He isn't clinching he is weighing his opponents down out of desperation, let him have a rematch in England or America then see what happens.
@smokeyvelvet42 Well I understand your point. But you have to give him credit for winning many fights in the US! (with objective referees i think) Besides the current Champion should have "home advantage". He has no problem with a rematch regardlessly in which country. But Haye never pushed for a remach, did he?
An average of 170 punches a fight? Where did you get that? I don´t think that´s correct. That would mean he throws only about 15 punches per round??? Can´t be true if you ask me.
@Deido112 Wladimir has fought on twice in the US as far as I know of. Regarding home advantage as mentioned the Klitshkos dictate the contracts, they decide who the judges, referee, doctor etc should be now tell me how that is an objective fight? check this out in ESPN sports channel. This has been happening in all their fights. Haye did push for a rematch but was flatly turned down by Wlad for obvious reasons. Wlad extends his left arm to keep from getting hit this is not punching:-(
@Deido112 Hayes management had protested about Wlads antics in the ring i.e holding and grabbing before the fight & asked the referee to beware of this fact. Of course the same referee that officiated in the majority of fights where Klitschko won, that says everything.. Watch the fight carefully Wlad pushes David down 21 times during that fight, it wasn't clinching all boxers do that during a fight, but he delibertly pushes down on Haye this would tire any boxer, it is not allowed !
@smokeyvelvet42 When has Wlad fought outside of Germany ? since he has the title he will only fight inside Germany for obvious reasons. He had the opportunity to fight Haye outside including England & the USA but his so called management turned down every venue except Germany I wonder why? they knew that they would have paid goons & stooges in Germany to decide in his favor regardless how disgusting he performs that is why he fight 99% in Germany. Rigged fights as usual :-(
@smokeyvelvet42 Just like the fight with Corrie Sanders was fixed. Sanders had the ability, hand and foot speed to attack Klitschko, unlike all the other fighters you just mentioned. Where was the home brewing in that fight. Your comments almost point to this being racial. I have seen pathetic fighters, like John Ruiz who had no skill and held and held and wheres the bashing of this guy. U hate WK for some other reason, not because of how he fights.
@Deido112 Do me favor and watch the following fights:
Chris Byrd vs Wlad
Samuel Peters Vs Wlad
Eddie Chambers vs Wlad
Calvin Brock vs Wlad
Ray Austin vs. Wlad
Jameel Mc Cline vs Wlad
Lemon Brewster vs Wlad (rematch)
Last but not least Haye vs Wlad
They all have the same disgusting pattern of holding and weighing down on his opponents in order to exhaust them. I'm not saying this because I dislike the Klitschkos I despise the way Wlad has resorted to dirty tactics in order to win !
@smokeyvelvet42 Then you're not a fan of Lennox Lewis either I take it. Look at his fights, he does the same thing. Except, LL ko punch of Michael Grant was particularly dirty when he held Grant's head with his left and launched an uppercut. BTW, Jameel McCline was bigger than Wlad and Ray Austin was starched with a serious of left hooks. Austin was just as tall and heavier than WK again. David Haye is as much to blame for a pathetic fight as WK. U say u don't hate WK, lie.
@smokeyvelvet42 Just watched WK vs Byrd 2. Seen a couple of clinches, very few if any where WK leans on Byrd. There are stretches of the fight where they were boxing and Byrd couldn't amount any effective offense. He was being out jabbed and WK was getting closer and closer with his and he finally landed it put Byrd down for only 5th time. So next fight I'm watching is WK vs JM, I will count the number of clinches and who initiated them. Most fights guys clinch - your quote.
@smokeyvelvet42 I have watched WK vs Jameel McCline, question are you saying WK used dirty tactics against McCline? WK picked off all of JM punches, dominated him in the jab department and was able to land the more effective punches. The best JM did was some good body work in the 6th. Ok clinches, 26 over 10 rounds. Not once did WK put his weight on JM's back, of the clinches WK responsible for initiating 4, JM responsible 9 & w/both clinching 13.Another lie on another fight.
@smokeyvelvet42 And about his punch statistiks: Against Haye he landed 134 out of 509 thrown punches. Haye landed only 72 of 290. I think there are no excuses that Haye lost the fight by decision.
From his last 27 fights he fought 17 in Germany and 9 in the US. This is not unusual if you compare it for example with Chris Byrd. (14 of his last 20 fights in the US). I dont think he uses dirty tactics. None of his opponents complains when they fight him. Because of his tallness he clinches around the opponents head not the body. Also his opponents move there body down to his hip to avoid punches so WK has to lean on them when he moves forward.
@Deido112 Haye pulled out of 2 previous attempts to make the fight this guy hates WK for some other reason. I don't see a single post from him when Lennox Lewis holds Michael Grant behind the head with his left and gets maximum leverage for an uppercut. You notice he mentioned nothing of Corrie Sanders, he beat WK on his home turf. Sanders had the skill & power something these other opponents of WK didn't have. I feel this is has more to do with race than actual hatred of WK's style.
I agree. This is about race. The boxing community hates to see talented white boxers. Over the years, whites have started to dominate in boxing again and this has upset a lot of people in the boxing community and the fans. When you see a great white boxer on youtube, look through the comments and you'll usually see angry black folks trying to tear them down and pick at technique and the merit of their victories. It's pretty sad, really.
@5468764654 Not just black folks. Max Kellerman, hates both Klitschkos, especially Wlad, and I have heard other white people refer to them as communists. Turns out HBO did them a disservice when they said that the K brothers were trained under the USSR. Wlad for only 2 years. My cousin who is Hispanic and he hates both the Klitschkos, but brags about John Ruiz. My best friend and he was my best man, is black. He doesn't like Wlad holding, but otherwise acknowledges his talent.
Well Klitschko can say to that guy "who is having the last laugh now bitch, I am the world heavy-weight champ"
mcdelive 3 hours ago
Glass Chin ftw .. hahaha great punch . .which shows that klitschkos arent good to take punches . .thats why they can be happy for theyre tallness . .otherwise punches like this would come more often .. and that means klitschkos will fail a lot .
Saruuuman 14 hours ago
look at the angle of his body and his feet placement...its a part knock down and part trip due to the angle of his body
tagmandan 3 days ago
@tagmandan Not really. He got knocked down, it's not the end of the world, you don't have to be ashamed.
Even Ali got his ass put on the mat a few times.
cyberslick18 3 days ago 2
@cyberslick18 He got knocked down,but he was already off balance,which is down to his own fault
tagmandan 2 days ago
@cyberslick18 That's right, theres no shame to being knocked down. The great Joe Calzaghe got knocked down in the first round against Roy Jones Jr. Starting on the 2nd round though, he kicked the shit out of him, in probably one of the most beautifull fights in history
BigBadMarketer 3 hours ago
Klitschko is scare to fight with top boxer!
LostRUS 3 days ago
@LostRUS это с кем??? уж не Поветкиным ли???
dontknowie 3 days ago
just too bad this guy corrie sanders got beat by the other klitschko just a few months later lol
kkandreykk 4 days ago
@kkandreykk Sorry buddy, it's not Corrie Sanders - it's actually Steve Pannell:)
kamileq1990 4 days ago
The only way to win a fight in Germany ; )
abraxis20 4 days ago
its was the momentum of his own punch which took him down.
1RothMan 5 days ago
Guys, what u talking about??!
kasgga 5 days ago
fair play to lewis no one can be tought to have heart
tormentedminiman 1 week ago
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TheMicko12345 1 week ago
Being british i should back chisora if he has rematch with vitali, but i would cheer on the ukranian if it ever happened. I respect him more.
T0mat0S0up 1 week ago
@T0mat0S0up He was born in Zimbabwe, so he isnt British.
jfunkfinger69 1 week ago
@T0mat0S0up I'm patriotic, but why the hell do I have to support a boxer because he's British, I couldn't give a fuck if he was born in the same hospital as me, I'd still support the Klitschkos all the way? I'm not having a go at you, just the whole 'British Boxing' in general, in my opinion it doesn't exist, you support the man, the boxer.
AndyMaines93 1 week ago
funny how all the usa blacks talk about shit that is at least 9 years old LOL Fn bigots are always in denial ...
AutisticMonk 1 week ago
Yea I saw that fight lewis vs vitali it was fucking awesome real hard dog fight all I member was that vitali was in the best shape n lewis was fat n gassed out quickly n wasn't moving much he clearly was not in the best shape n still busted up vitali lol if the fight would have kept going lord knows what would happen either lewis would have gassed out n got beat up or vitalis eye would have gotten worse
Berman2012 1 week ago
Hahhahaahahahahhahahahahaa
Berman2012 1 week ago
KLITSCHKO BROTHERS SHOW THESE STREE BOXERS WHAT A REAL POWER IS
ALTAIR12ize 1 week ago
Oh lord, please make this happen.
Maxxxshop 1 week ago
Chisora ♥♥
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Vitali Klitschko has never been knocked down, that was his brother ... Vitali Klitschko & Lennox Lewis both tripped upon each other once, but it wasn't a knock down, and all due respect to Lewis whom got up and helped Klitschko get up also in an awesome display of sportsmanship. Lewis retired so he didn't have to fight him again, and I don't blame him, Lewis was trembling with aftershocks of their fight & he didn't want to have to face him again.
AutisticMonk 1 week ago
@AutisticMonk Fn Racist bigots marked that as spam, Kiss my arse you pos arse wipes, anyone can look and see it's not spam.
AutisticMonk 1 week ago
Vitali Klitschko has never been knocked down, that was his brother
AutisticMonk 1 week ago 13
@AutisticMonk Vitali Klitschko just refuses to go back out when he knows he cant win as he is scared. what a pussy. He lacks the calibre to be the best he has no sportsmanship.
cuprasport 1 week ago
@cuprasport He just beat another dudes arse on 2/18 WTF are you talking about and his brother fights again on 3/3, they haven't lost or backed down since 2003, ffs, your comment is Dumb as F.
AutisticMonk 1 week ago
@AutisticMonk yes ure right vladimir his brother is good but vitali is fucking cold blooded beast
ALTAIR12ize 1 week ago
@ALTAIR12ize "agreed" just watching him goof around being a little bit mean in the Ring, I would hate to see him get really pissed off.
AutisticMonk 1 week ago
@AutisticMonk That is not really true. In Boxing, Vitali was never knocked out - that´s right. But before Vitali do boxing, he was a kickboxer. And in this sport, he was knocked out by a sidekick!
axlilein 1 week ago
@axlilein well yes, understood, thanks, I was speaking of only the hands Boxing, and if including his Kickboxing record of 34-1, then you are correct in saying he has been knocked down in a fight, & losing in the finals once.
AutisticMonk 1 week ago
@AutisticMonk and vladimir has never lost
Anthonyve2 1 week ago
@AutisticMonk Vitaly was knocked down against Correy Sanders in the first round, the ref missed the call. To his credit he did come back and whoop that ass.
Aware2128 1 week ago
@Aware2128 Vitali Klitschko Vs Corrie Sanders youtube title, highlights, shows Sanders was beating Vitali's arse, don't get me wrong, But the Ref & most that have seen the fight as it is here thought it was not a knock down, but rather he was pushed down is the reason he hit the mat. Corrie Sanders was the best opponent that Klitschko's faced & Ignored by usa Media btw cause he's not black imo & imo he wasn't knocked down but pushed down, no disrepect to Sanders, he was a Bad Arse Boxer
AutisticMonk 1 week ago
@AutisticMonk vitalie has been knock down bro
tormentedminiman 6 days ago
@tormentedminiman There is not a SINGLE scorecard which has a "Knockeddown" listed to Vitali's name. He has been tackled. pushed down...w/e, but he has never took a knee or went on his ass from a punch.
ironbull2003 6 days ago
Klitschko's jab is perfect in accomplishing what a traditional jab should do, keep your opponents at range and allow you to find your range. Vitali has only only got better since his loss to Lewis, so to match the pair up when they where both in their prime would have given us a true reflection of the better fighter. For me, Vitali is the wiser boxer, and as he did with Lewis in their first fight, he has the ability to slip Lennox's haymakers and throw lethal shots of his own. K win for me.
mpanner1 1 week ago
Boxing is a hell of a lot different to how it was back then. and you can't say that because Frazier took Ali's he would take Klitschko. Take nothing away from Ali , but Klitschko's jab is one of the best there has ever been. As far as Lewis is concerned, you're right; he had done everything. However, had he fought another chump and cruised to a knock-out, I don't doubt he would have continued. Lewis realised that if a re-match where to happen, there was a serious chance he would be beaten.
mpanner1 1 week ago
@mpanner1 Panner...mate....Ali vs Wlad or Vit would have been a totally different sort of fight, and I think your seriously mistaking a long raking jab for a good one to be honest, the jab is good but not exceptional due to its lack of potency, big Lennox's jab on the other had was a serious weapon, fast and powerful. As for a rematch between Vit and Lennox bear in mind that it was a half fit poorly motivated Lennox that beat Vit, a fit, motivated Lennox would have simply outboxed Vit for me
nshakesp 1 week ago
who is this guy?
benmwas2 1 week ago
this is Wladimir.
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gegen valujew hat sich klitschko doch auch nicht ran getraut weil er schiss hatte und sowas nennt sich dann champion das ist ein weichei ...
Rollerfahrer666 1 week ago
Aside from the fact that it's logically impossible for any human to eat Vitali Klitschko's jabs all night long and laugh, I'd like to point out the flaws in your comment. Vitali Klitschko might not be everyone's cup of tea but the fact is the man is a legend. He's barely lost a round since that fight with Lewis, proving countless times that his style and ability, all be it matched with his size, is world class. You also seem to forget Lewis said he would rematch and then conveniently retired.
mpanner1 1 week ago
@mpanner1 Lewis retired for one reason: he did it all. He hated training, and why go through another 6 months of training, if you have achied everyone, and if you train for a guy, you beat at the worst shape of your entire life, while the other one was at his peak. No need for a rematch. And if you doubt about the eating jabs, watch Frazier-Ali 1 and see how Frazier took Ali's right hand leads and jabs for not 12 rounds but 15 rounds at a fast pace.
michaelyouth 1 week ago
how is this ?? wer ist das ??
1997pate 1 week ago
Great so see africans and russians beat the crap out of amerikkkka
PassOnTheTruth 2 weeks ago
Now is this time Klitschko is a champion and Nobody goes Him down.
Greateengs From Poland
medic3hs 2 weeks ago
@medic3hs Wladimir is a coward not wanting the fight the man who whipped him. Same with Vitali who didn't fight Chris Byrd afterwords. They are nothing compared to Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Tyson, Louis. Look at Vitali, he fought at his best, a worst pathethic out of shape Lennox Lewis, and he lost to Lennox Lewis who was in pathethic shape.. He also quit once because he had some pain in his hands while Ali fought 9 rounds with a broken jab. And then they call them champions lol
michaelyouth 2 weeks ago
@michaelyouth look.. you clearly don't know what you are talking about. we'll see how Vitali will look like at 50.. mu guess: not as damaged as many of the boxe heroes of the past.. why? because he took good care of its health, as a sportsman (hence, he quit when he felt he could not compete;he didn't quit with Lewis: in spite of the cut he felt he could fight). And at the end of the day, he is certainly one of the best boxer of his era (don't deny the obvious); that should be enough, I guess
marinost1 2 weeks ago
@marinost1 He is the best one in his era, but his era is shitty. And what fighter is ''damaged''. Ali's Parkinson is not caused through boxing. Foreman is still doing great. Tyson is doing ok. Ken Norton is still kicking it. I am not saying Vitali is a terrible fighter. I am just saying he lacks basic quickness, footwork, speed and a ringmind to be compared to fighters like Ali, Holmes, Foreman and the other atg.
michaelyouth 2 weeks ago
@michaelyouth Ali is half Vitali's size... lol Vitali lacks speed? his speed is incredible for someone his size, and his punching power makes Ali look like a bitch. FOOTWORK? Do you even know what that means? His stance might be odd, but his footwork is just fine, and with his size, speed, power, technique he would knock ali the fuck out. Foreman is a slower, clumsier, weaker version of Klitchko. Only reason you worship those you named is because they are American, and Black.
ironbull2003 2 weeks ago
@ironbull2003 Both Klitschko's are good, but not great. The heavyweight division is a joke, and has been for some time. They beat who is out there, and that's that...Evander Hollyfield, Mike Tyson, Riddick Bowe and a host of others would have had solid chances of beating both these guys. The fact is, white European fighters can't hang with speed and lateral movement, and I'm white. It's a fact..lokk at the recent Super Six tournament. If you want to worship them, feel free...
marcusliciniusad 1 week ago
@michaelyouth Era is not shitty. Us Americans, and Brits just say so because we need an excuse for why our boxers suck. The reality is that before "American Legends" only faced other Americans... they never faced true world-wide competition. Now boxers fight anyone, from any country, who has the skill.... and nobody comes close to Klitchkos. They went undefeated for over 25 fights each KOing ppl in 2 rounds in 90s.. Where were Lennox , Evander, and Tyson in their primes to test them? Hiding.
ironbull2003 2 weeks ago
@ironbull2003 Nothing wrong with Vitali's technique, but the real reason he dominates so many guys are size differences. He's huge.
Get a guy in there with him who is his size and he's in huge trouble. Hell, a 6'5", post-prime, waaaaaay out of shape Lennox Lewis who took the fight on a couple weeks notice gave Vitali hell. Lol. That says alot.
Vitali is good, but he's not THAT good. His "skill" is his size.
FSMNoodlyAppendage 1 week ago
@FSMNoodlyAppendage That is exactly right. Vitali is a good fighter. His main asset is his height. Same with Wladimir, look what Corrie Sanders did to him. And Corrie Sanders was just an average fellow with some reflexes and height. He crushed him. He can keep people away with his height, but that wouldn't work with a real champion. Joe Frazier would have eaten his jab 3 times, to get in one left hook once. Their pace is also very slow compared to the real champions.
michaelyouth 1 week ago
@michaelyouth "but that wouldn't work with a real champion. Joe Frazier would have eaten his jab 3 times" like the under six foot Frazier did against the 6,4 slower more lumbering forman, and got mangled ? love joe but theses men are just to damn big
MUDSHARK111 1 week ago
@MUDSHARK111 This is nonsense. Foreman was slow, true, but Foreman's punching power was one in a million. He had a lot more power, pure knockout power than these Klitschko's.You haven't seen these Klitschko's knocking out the bums, like the way Foreman knocked out champions. You see the Klitschko's knocking them out in the later rounds, usually a TKO. Size has nothing to do with it. Frazier,Ali, Foreman, Tyson, Holmes, would all dispose of these men quite easily.
michaelyouth 1 week ago
@michaelyouth this is not about whether foreman was had heavier hitter than vit. this is about joe loosing to a much lager slower man even though that man was not as skilled a boxer . which is exactly what happened to him .so your original assertion does not stand up, it is "nonsense" and please don't mention Tyson in the same sentence as Frazier,Ali, Foreman, and Holmes.
MUDSHARK111 1 week ago
@MUDSHARK111 Once more, Foreman was an extremely hard hitter. He knocked out great boxers. Foreman TKO'ed Frazier because he had a punch that could lift people, literally, of their feets. That is how he took out Frazier. Frazier couldn't land anything because the punches were too hard. Vitali doesn't have that. Vitali and Wladimir have problem with inside fighters. Frazier's intensity and pressure would have taken out Vitali in the later rounds. Wladimir probably in the 2nd round.
michaelyouth 1 week ago
@michaelyouth i concede the point given the evidence of last night .
MUDSHARK111 1 week ago
@FSMNoodlyAppendage Size means nothing if you can't use it. Vitali is an excellent boxer in terms of punch identification and precision shots. He knows exactly how to work the scorecards and does a tremendous job of building point leads, forcing his opponents to start getting desperate for a KO, lowering their defenses.
CivitasUltraAporia 1 week ago
@CivitasUltraAporia I'd love to see Vitali try that against a boxer who can actually fight back, because of either size or heart. I'd love to see Vitali try and jab if he would fight Joe Frazier, who would eat the jabs and laugh, and get in a left hooks all night long. Or I'd love to see him try that against George Foreman, who'd kill him with his size. Fact is Vitali lost to an overweight, unprepared L Lewis, who was at the worst shape of his life. Shows how ''great'''he is.
michaelyouth 1 week ago
@michaelyouth You have absolutely no basis to those claims. You can imagine that Frazier could eat his jabs all day long, and you can dream that Foreman would "kill him with his size", whatever that means, but at the end of the day, you simply have no proof. You are just driven by your seething hatred for the Kiltschko's, which I assume is because they are white Ukranians. I wont debate you on that Lewis fight as I saw your previous comments on it and they are laughable. You are just a hater.
CivitasUltraAporia 1 week ago
@CivitasUltraAporia I've seen Frazier getting a whipping from Ali, a terrible beating, and still going on for it. That was 15 rounds of getting punched in the face, with right hand leads and one-two's. It was 3 rounds more than Klitschko's gone, and with a pace faster than they have gone. I don't hate white Ukranians. I think they are nice fellow's, very kind, but they are not all time greats. And Lewis won.
michaelyouth 1 week ago
@michaelyouth He lost because of a cut... Lewis did not wobble him, did not hurt him in any way, and was losing on all 3 scorecards... I bet that you did not even watch the damn fight, or any of Vitali's other fights. and the "overweight" argument is weak... lewis was not in his best conditioning, but he still had the same power and skill as he ever had.. you dont rely on your conditioning in the first 3 rounds, and lewis got DESTROYED there.
ironbull2003 1 week ago
@michaelyouth Lewis, at 36, was scared enough of Vitali that when he found out that Vitali was his next manditory opponent, he retired... THAT'S A FACT. 36 is not an adequate time to retire for somebody who is as skilled and as healthy as Lewis was.
ironbull2003 1 week ago
@ironbull2003 That is a fact, but there is no reason to move on if you beat everybody. He beat Tyson, Rahman, Holyfield, Vtali and he avenged his losses. There is no reason for a rematch if you absolutely HATE training, because Lewis hated training and most boxers hate training,especially if you don't have to prove yourself anymore. So rather than training 6 months, he decided to lay back an relax as he beat a prime Vitali in the worst shape of his life. Lewis won, that is a fact.
michaelyouth 1 week ago
@michaelyouth He got his assbeat, and ran scared with a pussy victory... "that is a fact" peace
ironbull2003 1 week ago
@ironbull2003 Right. He won with a victory. He beat Vitali, sliced his face open and won. On his record you will see a win, while you''ll see a defeat for Vitali; that is what matters at the end of the day. Peace.
michaelyouth 1 week ago
@FSMNoodlyAppendage he has fought people his size, and knocked them the fuck out.... "WAAAY" out of shape my ass. Both of them were training for a different fight, and Lewis' guy pulled out because of an injury. Vitali came in last second and both of them had only 2 weeks to adjust to each other. You are CLUELESS about what happened, and I guarantee that you did not even watch the fight.
ironbull2003 1 week ago
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@ironbull2003 Thank you, many ignore those facts of how Lewis people lied, acting like he wasn't training all the last year. And of course, Vitali Klitschko has never been knocked down, that was his brother. Ukraine Vitali Klitschko - Kickboxing Championships 34–1 Heavyweight Boxing Championships 44–2
AutisticMonk 1 week ago
@FSMNoodlyAppendage Lewis was not in his top shape, but that only determines conditioning... your punching power and skill last a long time, which is why heavyweights can go well into their 40s. In the first 3 rounds when conditioning is irrelevant, Lewis got absolutely DESTROYED and almost got knocked out several times. Fight was stopped because of a cut, and vitali lead on all scorecards.
ironbull2003 1 week ago 2
@ironbull2003 I vicious cut. It would have been a problem. I am a big Vitali fan, but I think it ended fair.
MrArtested 1 week ago
@ironbull2003 Where did u get your information from? How do u know that vitali was ahead, i watched the fight minutes ago and you should do that to before u talk so much crap. it was an equal fight till 4th round then lewis was ahead, even the GERMAN livecommentators said so. vitali got his ass beat. look at those uppercuts from lewis i wonder vitali survived them.
ruspa86 1 week ago
@ruspa86 I got my information from the official scorecards.... Also, until the cut occured, Lewis only landed two good punches which did not even wobble him... 4th round lewis won.... 5th round Lewis was still getting drilled, as he was running out of stamina.... Seen the fight over 20 times. Lewis would not have survived past round 7 with his stamina... "Look at those uppercuts, I wonder how vitali survived" lol he not only survived, he shook them off like it was nothing.
ironbull2003 1 week ago
@ironbull2003 lol ok im talking to a fanboy, so lets stop it here please .
ruspa86 1 week ago
@ruspa86 fanboy? you're the faggot that's trying to tell me that Lewis was beating his ass.... Lewis didn't do SHIT against him except for inflict that cut. Even the tired, klitchko with blood in his eye he kept drilling lewis from round 5 till the fight ended... only think lewis managed to do was hit him with 2 beautiful uppercuts, which did absolutely nothing to Vitali, and return got hit with a few power punches and dozens of lighter punches.... hop off Lewis' dick
ironbull2003 1 week ago
@ironbull2003 does not matter if vitali was leading on the scorecards,what maters is the lennox cut up vitali badly,and lennox won,end of story
josephxuereb1 1 week ago
@josephxuereb1 had the doctor not stopped the fight, Lewis would a) have a heartattack *or* b) gotten knocked out because he was not doing shit except for looking for 2 powerpunches/round which could not even wobble Vitali, let alone KO him I'm not arguing who won... Lennox won... I'm arguing that Lennox was not better than Klitchko that night, and that in a rematch (from which he ran like a BITCH) Lewis would lose.
ironbull2003 1 week ago
@ironbull2003 if there was going to be a rematch,lewis would have steamrolled him,as he always does in rematches ie raman and mcall :)
josephxuereb1 1 week ago
@josephxuereb1 yup... that's why he retired like a little bitch after the hardest fight of his life...
ironbull2003 1 week ago
@ironbull2003 ,who won???
josephxuereb1 1 week ago
@josephxuereb1 and dont compare a 6'2 pussy McCall with 11 loses to Vitali.... Same goes for Rahman... he got WHOOPED by Wladimir in 08, and he is younger than Vitali.
ironbull2003 1 week ago
@ironbull2003 so where were the brothers during the late 90s when the best fighters were fighting eachother?? nowhere to be seen,cos they new they would get busted up,remember vitali is 40,so 15 years ago,he was in his prime :) that goes to show he was not good enough for them fighters...enough said
josephxuereb1 1 week ago
@josephxuereb1 He was knocking out anyone who stepped in the ring with him in less than 5 (on average 2) rounds... He became a pro boxer in 96, he won 27 profesional fights (undefeated) by 1999 and had already become a WBO champ and defended the title 3 times.... You tell me why the "greats" didn't fight him then.... I'm guessing it's the same story as Lennox... nobody really gave him a shot till later, Because he was not American.
ironbull2003 1 week ago
@josephxuereb1 Think about how protected the American media is... ALL over the world, people welcome American music, Russian music, any kind of music.... movies... everything that's good.... America on the other hand.... you only see American musicians on TV (a few Brits or Canadians), mainly American actors, only movies made in America are played in theaters.... American corporations try to protect their Market....
ironbull2003 1 week ago
@josephxuereb1 During Tyson days, everyone in America liked HW boxing.... now that there isn't a single decent American heavyweight...American media claims that HW division is dead and welterweight boxing is where it's at (Because there's a good American in that division, Mayweather) or UFC.... Look at Soccer... Americans make fun of it... the moment their women's team went to the championship game, all of a sudden the media and all Americans were fans of soccer lol...
ironbull2003 1 week ago
@josephxuereb1 You don't have to be a fan of Klitchkos, but if Tyson, Frazier, Foreman, and all the people you worship say they are great boxers who could have competed and put up a hell of a fight or a title in any era (we will never know for sure) than I think that means something. Anyway, go watch their fights.. read their bios, than form your opinions based on facts not some stupid shit you read on youtube about them. Have a good day sir
ironbull2003 1 week ago
@ironbull2003 far from a cut mate, hes face was fucked. tko son, you ever heard of it?
JakyRedEyes 1 week ago
@ironbull2003 A slightly blinkered view of actual events. Vitali was just 1 point in front, but the fight was turning massively when it was stopped after Lewis hit VK with a massive uppercut. Lewis was always a slowish starter, even Bruno had him in trouble early on. There was only ever going to be one winner of that fight. To be fair, neither boxer was in their prime, VK was too young, and LL too old. Was the last great Heavyweight fight though.
onecote 1 week ago
@ironbull2003 Go and watch the last two rounds of that fight and the only fighter getting destroyed was fucking Vitali you complete tool.
BLAGASPANTS 1 week ago
@BLAGASPANTS what the FUCK did Lewis do? two uppercuts that didn't even wobble him? I mean those were beautiful hits, but he didn't do SHIT against him in that round except for get rocked and try to not die from a heartattack..... calling me a fucking tool lol faggot ass fanboy
ironbull2003 1 week ago
@ironbull2003 He had to get 60 fucking stitches on his face, and go and watch the 6th round again, Vitali was hanging on for dear fucking life you complete waste of your dads spunk.
BLAGASPANTS 1 week ago
@BLAGASPANTS Lennox Landed two powershots, got hit with a few, and drilled endlessly... both of them were clinching, but Lennox was tired as fuck trying to survive hoping they would stop because of a cut... there's a reason he retired when he found out he had a manditory rematch against him, and it sure as fuck ain't age..... 37 in the heavyweight division is not old.
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BLAGASPANTS 1 week ago
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@ironbull2003 Lewis would of been 38 by the time of the rematch, and you say that ain't old haha After a 20 year career and 38 is the exact same age Ali got beat off Holmes, Holmes got beat off Tyson, Holyfield got beat off Lewis. And they were all considered old in those fights you clueless fucking yank prick.
Go and boil your head.
BLAGASPANTS 1 week ago
@BLAGASPANTS Come back and talk shit when you have a legit reason for why your British nigger ducked him for a rematch... until than shut the fuck up, Lennox got destroyed in the first few rounds when his poor shape was not a factor, and didn't do shit but clinch and try to fuck up that cut more with his dreads and inside of the gloves. He hit him with EVERYTHING he had, and couldn't even wobble him.. fuck outa here
ironbull2003 1 week ago
@ironbull2003 Who won the last two rounds knob shine, doesn't mean fuck all who won the first two. It's who finished the stronger, and who's face looked like your mums fadge after I'd drilled it for a few hours. A big bloody stinking mess. haha
Now go and suck on Obama's little black cock you big fat retarded yank fuck.
BLAGASPANTS 1 week ago
@BLAGASPANTS "yank" ? if you're going to try to insult me you fucking tea-sipping cunt than at least get my nationality right. I'm far from American. Second, Heavyweights might not be in their prime, but they can still fight past 40 since speed is not a major factor in hw boxing... for Tyson it was.... for Lennox it definitely was not.. He was all ready for the next title defense until he found out that it was against Vitali... He retired like a fucking coward.
ironbull2003 1 week ago
@ironbull2003 Lewis had one foot in retirement after the Tyson fight, it wasn't exactly a fucking secret was it. And yeah, you sound really clever. Some youtube jockey calling an Olympic gold medal holder, a British, Commonwealth, European, and 3 time world heavyweight champion a coward. haha
Did you think of that one when you was in the dole queue waiting for your jigger you thick bog trotting fuck.
BLAGASPANTS 1 week ago
@BLAGASPANTS A boxer, who gets embarrassingly bossed around by someone he claimed had "no skill, or anything" and retires after a controversial win is a coward... He could have won every belt 10 times... but running from a rematch is a B.I.T.C.H. move!
ironbull2003 1 week ago
@ironbull2003 wheres your belt? bitch?
JakyRedEyes 1 week ago
@JakyRedEyes I'm not a boxer.... jesus christ are all you british fucks as fucking retarded as Chisora? for fucks sake I used to think people from there had logic, class, brain capacity for philosophy... all I see is a bunch of faggots on youtube who are dumber than an average dumbass american...
ironbull2003 1 week ago
@ironbull2003 Sad true. British box is low profile man, like a bad eighties movie.
Rizomantico 6 days ago
@ironbull2003 You know how many people say what you said knowing its a stereotype?? How do you think that makes you look thinking the average American is a dumbass?? LOL wow
BiggieSmalls11111 6 days ago
@BiggieSmalls11111 Well I live in America now.... in 5th grade I studied the shit I learned in first grade in Europe... with a piss-poor, SUPER easy education system, people still manage to get Cs,Ds, and Fs..... There's a lot of smart americans, but average wise... the inbred redneck retards have 10 kids, the intelligent people have 1 or 2.... dumbasses greatly outnumber the smart ones.
ironbull2003 6 days ago
@ironbull2003 The ratio isnt that bad LOL and you have to realize not all schools are at the same place teaching wise, ive been to different districts where you are learning shit you learned a long ass time ago and they are just teaching that now.
BiggieSmalls11111 6 days ago
@BiggieSmalls11111 but a 5 year difference? College Level Calculus 3 is what kids learn in 10th grade n Europe/Asia
ironbull2003 6 days ago
@ironbull2003 True, It could have been the school you went to, the high school i went to was one of the highest rated public high schools academically in the city, we were learning things as freshman they taught to seniors at other schools, and thats about a 3 year difference from 2 different high schools in the same city. Im sure it varies from state to state, Even where you used to live in Europe, maybe that school was really ahead and the others werent on to that yet.
BiggieSmalls11111 6 days ago
@BiggieSmalls11111 My school was pretty average. There was definitely others for smarter kids... I went from a straight C/D student to straight A in America haha
ironbull2003 5 days ago
@ironbull2003 LOL I agree though, America does have a pretty easy education system.
BiggieSmalls11111 5 days ago
@BLAGASPANTS Lennox used to be one of my favorite boxers, but anyone who wins a fight by a cut, while getting his ass beat, and acts like he just knocked the person out is a pussy. And running from a rematch is a bitch move. Vitali is fucking 40 and just won a U.D. with a torn ligament against your British monkey.
ironbull2003 1 week ago
@ironbull2003 Yeah Vitali is fighting puddings coming off two losses, fighters who are getting beat off the likes of fucking Tyson Fury, yeah the guy who uppercuts himself.
Let's see if Vitali would be sticking round if he had to fight a prime Lennox Lewis when he didn't really have to.
BLAGASPANTS 1 week ago
@ironbull2003 I like the way he called him 'monkey' :)
xJennieMalley69x 6 days ago
@xJennieMalley69x lol I'm not racist or anything, a some of my black friends are 10 shades darker than Lewis... but Lewis behaved like a classless monkey after the fight.
ironbull2003 6 days ago
@ironbull2003 and how did he get that cut in the first place? Did you see the damage that it caused!? Lewis was still good enough to break through Kl defenses. Yes Kl was winning, but boxing is about defending yourself as well and end of the day Kl didn't do that effectively so he lost. End of story.
RJSyeah 6 days ago
@ironbull2003 On the other hand, Lewis is a little bitch.
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@ironbull2003 vitali got tkod by a total out of shape washed up glass jawed lennox lewis
smokinlefthook 6 days ago
@FSMNoodlyAppendage Lewis hit him with all he had, and could not even wobble him. don't you think it's ironic that he retired at 36? he found out that his manditory defense was against Vitali and knew that he would not get lucky enough to win by a cut twice..
ironbull2003 1 week ago
@ironbull2003 This is a solid point. People look back at the golden age of the heavyweight division with rose colored glasses, and it primarily is only American fans of the sport. Just because the sport isn't nearly as glamorous and popular doesn't mean the fighters are significantly worse. There is no basis to the claim that heavyweights today suck, none whatsoever.
CivitasUltraAporia 1 week ago
@michaelyouth lmfao "Vitalii is a coward for not having a rematch with Byrd"... are you fucking kidding me? Vitali whooped Byrd's ass until his rotator cuff got torn, and Wladimir knocked byrd THE FUCK OUT twice. Why would Vitali fight byrd again? Yea he "technically lost" but a healthy Vitaly would knock him out as brutally as his little brother did.. Don't like Vitaly, don't watch his videos.. You don't see me trolling on Ali videos saying "Oh Vitali would fucking kill him"... which he WOULD!
ironbull2003 2 weeks ago
@ironbull2003 This is funny, if Vitali wins, it has nothing to do with luck, it is all skill. If Vitali loses, because Lewis was getting to him and cutting him at will in the last rounds, Lewis was ''lucky''. The Only reason Lewis didn't want a rematch is because he whipped Vitali at his worst and pathethic shape in his life, while Vitali lost at his peak. There is no honor to get out of that. Lewis could have trainend (which he hated) for months and beat him again. Nothing to gain
michaelyouth 1 week ago
@michaelyouth LOL really? did you not see Chris Byrd's face after the Wladimir fight, Vitali couldn't fight him again because he got his arse Beat to hell by his brother and wasn't a contender, nor would any of those other lil usa black guys that you mentioned be. USA blacks are the world's champs of being Bigots!
AutisticMonk 1 week ago
@AutisticMonk Chris Byrd was a pathethic fighter and Vitali showed that night he wasn't an all time great. Ali fought 8 rounds with a broken jaw. Frazier was getting beating for 15 rounds and still kept coming at you, while he almost died that night against Ali the first time. Vitali has a shoulder injury and he decides to quit. I am not saying Vitali is nothing. I think he is a top 20 heavyweight of all time. His brother Wladimir is not even in the top 20.
michaelyouth 1 week ago
@michaelyouth Vitali & Wladimir have not been beaten by anyone since 2003-04 speaks for itself, & they made everyone look pathetic that they fight. And, Yep, I agree the Doctor brothers are a bit more careful, they won't risk a career injury, unlike ali & frazier were more of a, put it all on the line tonight type of fighters, which is kewl too. But they only weighed like 215 maximum in the old days, these guys should be in a super heavy division, like Vitali was in kickboxing 34-1
AutisticMonk 1 week ago
@AutisticMonk Ofcourse but size has not much to do with it. Frazier disposed of Buster Mathis, he ate him up while he was hughe compared to Frazier. If you compare their weight's taking the size in consideration, they are about the same. It's only natural that a guy who is 25 cm taller, is also about 20 pounds bigger. I think Vitali is a champion that deserves to be in the top 20 of all time. To Wladimir, with his soft chin, I disagree.
michaelyouth 1 week ago
@michaelyouth Lewis' trained all year for that fight, guy pulled out cause of an injury, Vitali came in last second and both of them had only 2 weeks, but again the USA liberal media is full of shit, just like your Fn lies & lunacy. Lennox was a chicken shit, Vitali wanted to fight, you calling people that are chickens champs & those that wanted to fight cowards is Dumb as F. $50 says you're a project nigga Turd or a liberal white Idiotic rhino. FU RACIST BIGOTS!
AutisticMonk 1 week ago
@medic3hs To the land of Poland! home of the 5 time strongest man on earth, Legend Marius Pudzianowki, Greetings From your Russia Romania & UK USA friends
AutisticMonk 1 week ago
All i see on here are a bunch of haters, the klitschko brother have done an unprecedented thing in control all the belts in the division and dominate the division since Lewis Pussied out of the rematch with Vitali and went back on his promise of "eating 'Wlad' for lunch". And they have both done it with a Record breaking KO ratio...Oh and another thing, its not fair calling any boxer from World Champion that fought when the U.S.S.R. was around because their fighters werent allowed to fight..
roobadoob1984 3 weeks ago
@roobadoob1984 i agree with you,too many haters on here.If you are a true boxing fan like myself,you will give credit where its due,and the klitsckos deserve all their titles and accolades.....personally i think that even though lewis was behind on the scorecards in the vitali fight,i think he would of beaten him,based on vitali stumbling and just looking like he had enough..i also think lewis would have beaten vlad also-just my opinion,peace.
fiveofiveo1 3 weeks ago
@fiveofiveo1 Why do you think people dislike them. Look at Wladimir, he faces a tall opponent like Corrie Sanders, an average boxer with some reflexes and a little bit of a punch and he loses badly on him. Same with Vitali against Chris Byrd and Lennox Lewis, and even got staggered by Corrie Sanders. They lack basic footwork, balance, speed and pace in a fight. Frazier and Ali would whipp each other for 15 rounds top pace, Klitschko's only have height and bums they fight.
michaelyouth 2 weeks ago
@michaelyouth i dont really like the klitsckos but you cant hate on them,you have to give them their dues,because they have achieved alot in the sport.Sure,they have had their losses,but true champions learn from it and improve with every fight as they have shown.Its tough just training at a gym,on the bag or skipping/running,try boxing at the highest level in the WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT DIVISION for over 10 yrs!!!! Please understand 1st before you post-Peace.
fiveofiveo1 2 weeks ago
@fiveofiveo1 Name 3 great opponents with some skill, that they faced and beat.Lewis was at a pathethic shape, and Vitali lost to him at Vitali's best, against Lennox's worst while Lewis only knew about the fight 1 week in advance and Vitali prepared himself 2 years for it. They haven't avenged their losses either. OK, Lewis didn't want a rematch but what about Corrie Sanders? Wladimir was ducking him,because he knew he was going to get beat again.They're good but no all time greats.
michaelyouth 2 weeks ago
@michaelyouth I dont want to waste my time talking about the klitscko's,my favourite fighter who i followed for years,and still do,is David "the tuaminator" Tua.I would have love to see either klitscko fight Tua in his prime,i think they would of been awesome fights!! Tua failed against lewis,and his trainer ronnie shields said after the fight that Tua did not do anything that they worked on,in the fight-not one thing! I would love to see the klitsckos eat a left hook from Tua
fiveofiveo1 2 weeks ago
@fiveofiveo1 You can't even name 3 great opponents with some skill. This means they haven't achieved that much. They didn't face their defeats again, and didn't take out 1 all time great. Even lost to 1 all time great who was in pathethic shape and only trainend 1 week against Vitali who trained 2 years for it.
michaelyouth 2 weeks ago
@michaelyouth what the fuck??are you obsessed with the klitsckos or what???? Dude,who gives a fuck about the klitsckos...ok fair enough they have the heavyweight division on lockdown,whether its through them fixing fights or whatever,but seriously just get over it!! If it makes you feel better,i hope chisora opens up a huge can of WHOOP ASS on vitali,then maybe you can rest easy and sleep at night! lol
fiveofiveo1 2 weeks ago
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Exactly,dude...I wish the same thing as you...
kavatbilo 2 weeks ago
@michaelyouth Lewis was scheduled to fight Kirk Johnson, who got injured.Vitali came in as a late replacement. Each of them had little time to prepare for one another. Sorry to burst your bubble, but that cut was bullshit, and Lennox continued clinching and rubbing his face and dread on the cut to fuck it up more. There's a reason he retired when he found out he had to defend the title against Vitali, because he knew he wouldn't get lucky twice in row. Argue all you want, but Lewis ducked.
ironbull2003 2 weeks ago
haha that black guy looks like Mohammed Ali no wonder why Klitschko goes down xD
wadjo1 3 weeks ago
@smokeyvelvet42 LOL!! i share ur hate of wladimir but give vitali credit he is much tougher and better. he should change his last name as to not be affiliated with his little bitch bro. llol
bigaj141 1 month ago
When Wladimir get tagged on the chin, it's pretty much a sure thing he's going down. The state of the heavyweight division is atrocious. When your champion gets TKO'd by a fighter with 21 career losses (Ross Purrity) that pretty much says it all. Any large guy with any physical talent is playing football, so were stuck with these inferior heavyweight fighters coming out of Eastern Europe.
nucleardog43 1 month ago 2
WLADIMIR HAS BEEN KNOCKED OUT THREE TIMES NOW HE RESORTS TO WRESTLING AND HOLDING IN ORDER TO COMPENSATE FOR HIS LACK OF SKILLS AND CONDITION !! HIS FIGHTS ARE 99% IN GERMANY FOR OBVIOUS REASONS HE KNOWS HE WILL GIVEN THE FIGHT REGARDLESS HOW DISGUSTING HE PERFORMS THE FIGHTS ARE RIGGED FROM THE BEGINNING IN HIS FAVOR, THAT IS WHY THEY DICTATE THE CONTRACTS AND PAY GOONS & STOOGES TO GIVE THEM THE FIGHT SO THEY WILL ONLY FIGHT IN GERMANY THEY ARE TERRIFED OF LOSING THE TITLES THEY KNOW WHY!
smokeyvelvet42 1 month ago
@smokeyvelvet42 "HIS FIGHTS ARE 99% IN GERMANY" From his last 22 Fights he had 14 in Germany an 8 in the United States. He won two of his titels in the US. The third was against Haye in Germany. Why should two european fight in Amerika for the titel?
"THE FIGHTS ARE RIGGED" He knocks out most of his opponents so how should they rig that?
"LACK OF SKILLS AND CONDITION" He throws more punches than most other heavyweight boxers in 12 rounds!
Deido112 1 month ago
@Deido112 An average of 170 punches a fight isn't considered a lot or is my arithmatic isnt up to where it should be.. Why fight in America for the simple reason, they will have a objective and impartial referee for one, second the judges wont be paid goons and stooges. A objective referee will call Wlad on his grabbing holding his opponents. He isn't clinching he is weighing his opponents down out of desperation, let him have a rematch in England or America then see what happens.
smokeyvelvet42 1 month ago
@smokeyvelvet42 Well I understand your point. But you have to give him credit for winning many fights in the US! (with objective referees i think) Besides the current Champion should have "home advantage". He has no problem with a rematch regardlessly in which country. But Haye never pushed for a remach, did he?
An average of 170 punches a fight? Where did you get that? I don´t think that´s correct. That would mean he throws only about 15 punches per round??? Can´t be true if you ask me.
Deido112 1 month ago
@Deido112 Wladimir has fought on twice in the US as far as I know of. Regarding home advantage as mentioned the Klitshkos dictate the contracts, they decide who the judges, referee, doctor etc should be now tell me how that is an objective fight? check this out in ESPN sports channel. This has been happening in all their fights. Haye did push for a rematch but was flatly turned down by Wlad for obvious reasons. Wlad extends his left arm to keep from getting hit this is not punching:-(
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sinusbradycardia 1 month ago
@Deido112 Hayes management had protested about Wlads antics in the ring i.e holding and grabbing before the fight & asked the referee to beware of this fact. Of course the same referee that officiated in the majority of fights where Klitschko won, that says everything.. Watch the fight carefully Wlad pushes David down 21 times during that fight, it wasn't clinching all boxers do that during a fight, but he delibertly pushes down on Haye this would tire any boxer, it is not allowed !
smokeyvelvet42 1 month ago
@smokeyvelvet42 When has Wlad fought outside of Germany ? since he has the title he will only fight inside Germany for obvious reasons. He had the opportunity to fight Haye outside including England & the USA but his so called management turned down every venue except Germany I wonder why? they knew that they would have paid goons & stooges in Germany to decide in his favor regardless how disgusting he performs that is why he fight 99% in Germany. Rigged fights as usual :-(
smokeyvelvet42 1 month ago
@smokeyvelvet42 Just like the fight with Corrie Sanders was fixed. Sanders had the ability, hand and foot speed to attack Klitschko, unlike all the other fighters you just mentioned. Where was the home brewing in that fight. Your comments almost point to this being racial. I have seen pathetic fighters, like John Ruiz who had no skill and held and held and wheres the bashing of this guy. U hate WK for some other reason, not because of how he fights.
sinusbradycardia 1 month ago
@Deido112 Do me favor and watch the following fights:
Chris Byrd vs Wlad
Samuel Peters Vs Wlad
Eddie Chambers vs Wlad
Calvin Brock vs Wlad
Ray Austin vs. Wlad
Jameel Mc Cline vs Wlad
Lemon Brewster vs Wlad (rematch)
Last but not least Haye vs Wlad
They all have the same disgusting pattern of holding and weighing down on his opponents in order to exhaust them. I'm not saying this because I dislike the Klitschkos I despise the way Wlad has resorted to dirty tactics in order to win !
smokeyvelvet42 1 month ago
@smokeyvelvet42 Then you're not a fan of Lennox Lewis either I take it. Look at his fights, he does the same thing. Except, LL ko punch of Michael Grant was particularly dirty when he held Grant's head with his left and launched an uppercut. BTW, Jameel McCline was bigger than Wlad and Ray Austin was starched with a serious of left hooks. Austin was just as tall and heavier than WK again. David Haye is as much to blame for a pathetic fight as WK. U say u don't hate WK, lie.
sinusbradycardia 1 month ago
@smokeyvelvet42 Just watched WK vs Byrd 2. Seen a couple of clinches, very few if any where WK leans on Byrd. There are stretches of the fight where they were boxing and Byrd couldn't amount any effective offense. He was being out jabbed and WK was getting closer and closer with his and he finally landed it put Byrd down for only 5th time. So next fight I'm watching is WK vs JM, I will count the number of clinches and who initiated them. Most fights guys clinch - your quote.
sinusbradycardia 1 month ago
@smokeyvelvet42 I have watched WK vs Jameel McCline, question are you saying WK used dirty tactics against McCline? WK picked off all of JM punches, dominated him in the jab department and was able to land the more effective punches. The best JM did was some good body work in the 6th. Ok clinches, 26 over 10 rounds. Not once did WK put his weight on JM's back, of the clinches WK responsible for initiating 4, JM responsible 9 & w/both clinching 13.Another lie on another fight.
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Deido112 1 month ago
@smokeyvelvet42 And about his punch statistiks: Against Haye he landed 134 out of 509 thrown punches. Haye landed only 72 of 290. I think there are no excuses that Haye lost the fight by decision.
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@smokeyvelvet42
From his last 27 fights he fought 17 in Germany and 9 in the US. This is not unusual if you compare it for example with Chris Byrd. (14 of his last 20 fights in the US). I dont think he uses dirty tactics. None of his opponents complains when they fight him. Because of his tallness he clinches around the opponents head not the body. Also his opponents move there body down to his hip to avoid punches so WK has to lean on them when he moves forward.
Deido112 1 month ago
@Deido112 Haye pulled out of 2 previous attempts to make the fight this guy hates WK for some other reason. I don't see a single post from him when Lennox Lewis holds Michael Grant behind the head with his left and gets maximum leverage for an uppercut. You notice he mentioned nothing of Corrie Sanders, he beat WK on his home turf. Sanders had the skill & power something these other opponents of WK didn't have. I feel this is has more to do with race than actual hatred of WK's style.
sinusbradycardia 1 month ago
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I agree. This is about race. The boxing community hates to see talented white boxers. Over the years, whites have started to dominate in boxing again and this has upset a lot of people in the boxing community and the fans. When you see a great white boxer on youtube, look through the comments and you'll usually see angry black folks trying to tear them down and pick at technique and the merit of their victories. It's pretty sad, really.
5468764654 1 month ago
@5468764654 Not just black folks. Max Kellerman, hates both Klitschkos, especially Wlad, and I have heard other white people refer to them as communists. Turns out HBO did them a disservice when they said that the K brothers were trained under the USSR. Wlad for only 2 years. My cousin who is Hispanic and he hates both the Klitschkos, but brags about John Ruiz. My best friend and he was my best man, is black. He doesn't like Wlad holding, but otherwise acknowledges his talent.
sinusbradycardia 1 month ago