too the comment that the Veyron is "crap" is was built as a technical exercise to expand technology. Having witness piston test of the 2004 Cobra motor made me appreciate what production engines are put through. Having worked on the piston design of this engine for Ks pistons, i witness and engine run at max hp for 10 minutes then max torque for 10 minutes and this cycled continuously for 40 hours, just to see how the piston would wear or "scuff". This is a fraction of endurance runs.
Being an engineer and self taught engine builder having built BB Ford of 600 horse, I'm amazed at what NRE has acheived. The Dual personality that there engines are capable of is amazing. I would love to see what NRE's TT small block could do in a pulling truck where the Norm is huge cubic inches and/or being blown is the norm
to all you veyron haters keep in mind it weighs 4000lbs if you cut that weight in half the car would be unbeatable, and for weighing 4000lbs its still the worlds fastest production car!!!!! so ssc can go suck it
While I am not a big fan of the TKR(the body is a Saleen S7 rip-off, and you are comparing a car on race gas to a car on pump gas) the TKR fans are 100 times smarter than Veyron fans.
This car deserves credit for what it does. 260 in 3 miles on dirt(Veyron took waaay longer, SSC hit 257 in about 2 miles on pavement). It also did so without topping out.
@TheOfficialKC Yeah, it does have a separate tank and fuel system for the race gas if it gets into high boost, but It still makes around 1100-1200 hp on pump. Most (if not all) NRE TT V8's make 1000+hp on pump gas and signifigantly more on race. I wonder if they are E85 compatible; the 105 octane pump fuel.
@TheOfficialKC They were only running 950hp on the 260mph El Mirage run; still in the pump gas territory. I'm curious what it would hit on the same run at full power.
I just looked up the Transtar Dagger..... HOLY HELL!!!!! estimated 0-60 in 1.5 sec and 6.5 sec 1/4 miles?!?!?!?!?!! Bugattiwhat. lmao
@stlchucko Don't believe Transtar's acceleration claims. It is not physically possible on street tires. 300mph is possible though. If it remains stable at those speeds.
If the TKR was running pump gas only it would have taken much longer to get there. But yeah, it must still be able to get there. I would like to see how fast it gets with more room.
The veyron started at 150+mph when it hit the 5 mile straightaway to hit it's top speed. This car hit 260 in 3 miles ON DIRT from a DEAD STOP using only HALF POWER. It does this while costing $620k (400k pounds), or roughly half the cost of the veyron. If you're complaining about the lack of creature comforts in the TKR, I'm sure that you can have them put in with the additional $500k saved from not buying the veyron. It boils down to if you're a rapper, get a veyron. If you're a driver, TKR.
Completely agree. If im buying a car that can do 250mph, why would i want ac, sat nav, abs, ect? Too much stuff to go wrong and too much stuff to play with. I want a fast car to drive, not play with. Thats why i consider the McLaren F1 the world's best production super car. No abs, no traction control, no radio. Engine noise so loud in the compartment you cant hear. Thats a real driving experience in my book.
@stlchucko You're an idiot, comparing apples to oranges.
The Veyron goes beyond simple creature comforts it's carbon fiber and polished aluminum innovative combination used in just the paint design, an Art Form Technique design. The engine alone is Art with it's super light weight multiplicity cylinders Quad Turbocharged W16. How about you google the damn car before coming on here looking like an ignorant idiot. The Bugatti is an engineers dream machine.
@SonzillaGTR I am an Engineer, the Veyron is crap. Too slow, too complex, too expensive. A W16 is big, heavy, and inefficient. Aluminum body panels should NOT be on a car that costs over $200,000, too cheap and heavy. AWD is too heavy and inefficient. Traction control and AWD are only put on a car that is designed like crap because they know it won't be able to handle what it has without it. Engineers build a good chassis that can handle all that power in RWD setup.
@TheOfficialKC Your an Engineer?? LOL yeah I'm a rocket scientist. Sorry but you know nothing of what your talking about. When a company designs a car it's platform first starts with the chassis design in mind. How can you say AWD is for designs known to fail? You obviously don't know the heritage of what AWD machines have accomplished in motorsports, many championships with Audi Quattro and the GT-R won so many races against cars like the GT40 back in the days they had to ban AWD in 93.
Based on my last calculations (which is mostly theoretical) Veyron is able reach 270mph with 1250bhp, actually have about 1000whp, BUT Veyron needs lots of time to get that speed, and TKR needs less. it's simple. Mass! Both car with same power have similar top speed, BUT TKR is powered by engine that have 50% more power and theoretical top speed near 300mph (limited by tires). I'm not fun of Veyron nor TKR but, TKR is best choice for reaching top speed.
@TheOfficialKC It sounds like it's too complex for you to comprehend, I mean based on your response you obviously show impairment to understand it's form and function. You rather result in childish false claims. I highly suggest you educate yourself on chassis design. Many configurations can me made superior whether it be RWD or AWD. Traction control is on pretty much every production car today, 90% of the time due to safety reasons.. public road laws/restrictions, form, function etc etc.
@stlchucko Secondly about the Keating TKR it's just a basic carbon fiber chassis covered by carbon fiber bodywork accompanied with all the basic off the shelf drivetrain/Suspension parts and powered by a GM LS7 yeah that's it .. Why this supercar can accomplish this speed is very basic - 70% Power 15% Aero and 15% weight 995kg. What I do admire is the Aero design of the TKR it indeed is very slick.
@SonzillaGTR In a battle of "Fastest production car", it doesn't matter if it's "an engineers dream machine" or "it's just a basic carbon fiber chassis covered by carbon fiber bodywork accompanied with all the basic off the shelf drivetrain/Suspension parts". It's what car goes the fastest; period. It can be bare bones or have a diamond encrusted, AC seats with ass scratcher.
BTW: Before you start the name calling, check your facts. Weight has nothing to do with speed, only acceleration.
@stlchucko You can leave the diamonds off, that would make them too hard.
Your deadline is three weeks.
You have a budget over three billion dollars, since Acura is supposedly doing one million laser scans of a door handle we're gonna be outrageous with money to throw around.
@stlchucko I disagree about weight being a problem for top speed all that weight puts friction on the rubber that's why the regular Veryon needs tires after 15 min at top speed wonder how they wear after making it faster I think I make a valid point don't you or are you one of those dreamers who think a Veryon is viable transportation for the price of a valve job on a Veryon you get a brand new NRE TTLS3 @1750 hp
@sirlonghair I mean weight is not a determining factor in a vehicle's top speed. Power and aero are the 2 biggest factors. The tires wear out on the veyron because of going 260, not because it weighs 2 tons. Tiires wear out faster at higher speeds, but piston engined cars have gone over 400mph; so tires are available. Street legal, no.
BTW: I've been a proponent of NRE since first seeing the F-bomb in HotRod 5 or 6 years ago.
@stlchucko most speed runs over 350 MPH are on solid aluminum tires not only weight but also centrifugal forces want to toss the rubber right of the rim look at drag rails wen they launch those there slicks are about to explode if they had more than a few pounds of air and they do anyway rubber is a big factor
@SonzillaGTR 1) Weight does not affect top speed. 2) The TKR was using 900hp when it hit 260, so it isn't faster because of power. So 100% aerodynamics.
And your whole basic, basic basic argument. Exactly, basic is good. Easy to find parts, cheap to buy parts, easy and cheap to do maintenance, and it is reliable. KISS: Keep It Simple Stupid. No compromise on speed or serviceability. Pure performance, ease of use and ownership, and most importantly BUILT TO DRIVE.
@bmwfanz It still doesn't change the fact that if the veyron is ran at El Mirage, it wouldn't reach near the speed the TKR did. If you put the TKR on the track the veyron did it's speed run on, it would blow away the 270 mph mark with low boost. Crank up the boost and 290+ mph would be realistic since it would have:
Nearly twice the power (1750 vs 900hp)
smoother/longer track (5 mile paved straight vs 3 mile on dirt)
a head start (150mph hitting the str8 vs dead stop on dirt)
@stlchucko Finally, I have met someone that likes cars AND is intelligent. I have been telling these stupid Veyron fanboys for a long time that weight does not affect top speed, only acceleration and handling. And I have been trying to tell them the difference between hitting 253mph on a 5.5 mile straight AFTER a 130mph turn versus a 2.5 mile straight with an S-bend in the middle(SSC Ultimate Aero). Glad to see someone has a brain.
@jboss628 "As to the objections about the Keating TKR is not a production car, this may be a matter of debate. The fact remains anyone with sufficient funds can order this same car with this extraordinary TT NRE SBC engine. Its perfectly streetable as any production car. " Copy/Paste from description.
Yes, it is street legal. Anyone with the money can buy one.
@fstylezkrNNN I'm well aware of what it is. I've been following NRE since he built the F-Bomb Camaro for David Freiburger of HotRod magazine, way before the car was copied for F&F4.
@stlchucko I'm not judging your know about of there cars people seem to read your comment cause it sticks out there for i was adding on to people who follow the crappy veyron :)
@1CLight The best at what, going fast (which is what this debate has been about)? The TKR clearly has the Veyron (the SS version included) trumped in that. It beats the regular Veyron while running 900hp (100 less than the Veyron). The SS has what, about 1300hp? That's nowhere near the 1800hp this car makes. The only thing the Veyron has on the TKR is a better launch and luxury creature comforts, but that's a different argument than the top speed discussion.
@idontcare80 The TKR went 260 at half power, it did that run at 900 hp or so and the engine was built to handle 1750 hp on over 30 PSI of boost, and the boost is adjustable at the push of a button on those NRE twin turbos...
@idontcare80 Sounds like you're the one who needs to get over something. If a Ford GT can do 267 mph, what makes you think this car can't? Just by looking at it you can tell it's more aerodynamic than a Ford GT...
@DeAdiSSu3 You're not getting it. The Veyron went 268 mph while meeting all of the requirements that a production car has to meet. It runs on pump gas, it meets strict safety standards, it meets emissions requirements and it did all of this on street tires. It's not just some stripped out wannabe supercar or a production car with massive modifications, it's a real street legal production car. That is a MASSIVE engineering achievement.
@idontcare80 All keating supercars come with a nelson racing engine "stock"....and yes, it meets all requirements as a production car, and yes, they all have sticky street tires, and yes, they all run on pump gas. This car isn't a "wannabe" supercar or a production car with massive mods, its the essence of a supercar, everything needed to go world-class fast, not much more.
@DeAdiSSu3 The Ford GT you mentioned does not run on pump gas and did not go 267 mph on street tires. And no, the Keating "supercars" don't have emissions controls. Show me proof to the contrary and I'll take that back. Also, why bother making some pointless high speed run on low boost? If the car had the capability to go faster why not make it do so?
@idontcare80 You don't just try and do almost 300 mph, you work up to it, making sure the cars suspension, tires, frame, everything can handle it at 200 mph, 220 mph and so on, you don't just hop in, crank up the boost and floor it till it won't go any faster lol. btw, not only did the driver run out of balls, he almost ran out of room. He had to let off before he ran out of room to slow down. Keating is a legal production car, whats your proof that they DON'T have emissions friendly exhaust?
@DeAdiSSu3 You're just making excuse after excuse, I believe the word for people like you is apologist. I'll write Keating an email and see if they can provide some kind of proof that these cars have emissions controls. As far as I can tell they use some kind of loophole to register these cars as kit cars like Noble did for the M400. As for the driver's balls, I think he probably just has enough brains to figure out that it's not a good idea to trust some under-engineered go cart to go 260+ mph.
@idontcare80 The driver was actually Dan keating, the brother of Anthony keating, and he said, give or take a few words: "at 260 I still had gear left, the car wanted to keep pushing but for one, I was out of room and for two, I was too busy trying to keep my bowels intact to go any faster." Anyway, what makes you think the car is "under-engineered"? That's one of the most ridiculous things i've ever heard, 260 mph at half power on dirt and that's what you have to say? Thanks for the laugh.
@DeAdiSSu3 The thing has never even been in a wind tunnel, I'd say that's pretty under-engineered for a car that's expected to go well past the 200 mph mark.. Like I've said (we're on the third time now), I don't doubt that this car has the power to go faster, I doubt that it has the aerodynamic stability. You'd have to be a moron to try to take this car past 260 because it would probably go airborne and be torn to pieces when it hit the ground.
@idontcare80 Well shit man, i've seen that happen to a MUSTANG at just over 260 mph, this thing is far more aerodynamic than that mustang was. Just sayin'.
@idontcare80 Make what true? Anyone with eyesight can see that the keating is far more aerodynamic than the mustang I saw get airborn around 260 mph. Are you blind? Do you have someone read people's replys to you and type your responses for ya?
@DeAdiSSu3 Without wind tunnel testing you can inadvertently create a wing shape that could be unstable at high speeds. You can't just look at something and say it's more aerodynamic.
@DeAdiSSu3 Did that Mustang make it to 260 mph? YES. Did it make it to 268? NO!!! That's why REAL car companies do wind tunnel testing, so they don't shred a car and possibly kill a driver while trying to figure out how fast that car can go before it goes airborne.
Geez, with the way your brain works, I bet you could convince yourself that your own shit was bean dip and eat it right out of the toilet bowl.
@idontcare80 I wasn't talking about the mustang that got airborn at 260, I was talking about the keating....which is alot more aerodynamic than the mustang was....the keating can go faster than 260, sorry if that makes you angry. Why do you dislike this car so much, anyway? It went fucking 260 mph pushing low boost on a dirt runway.....anyone who claims to be a car enthusiest can appreciate what the keating tkr did, especially with those "track" conditions....
@DeAdiSSu3 Man, you are thick. The Mustang lost control at just over 260, why couldn't the Keating car? There is no way to know when this car will loose control because it's never been tested in a wind tunnel and there is also no way to know how much faster this car can go. Right now, it can go 260 and that's not very impressive for a stripped down go cart with a twin turbo V8.
@idontcare80 Seeing as it's done 260 on low boost, it'll certainly accelerate to 260 ALOT faster when you turn the boost up....those guys were hardly toying with it on this run. It's safe to say (since the mustang isn't nearly as aerodynamic as the keating) that the keating will go faster than 260....btw I don't see how this car being a "stripped down go-kart" even matters, its all about how fast you can go and how quickly you can get to that speed. Weight has nothing to do with top speed anyway
@stlchucko And it doesn't even have a fire wall! Reach down to unbuckle your seat belt, then, AHHH!!!! Your hand gets munched by the belts on the idling engine. This thing is a go cart, not a car.
Well all the comparisons with the bugatti are all biased in the buggattis favour.
You watch James May drive the veyron at 252mph on a 5 mile Smooth straight. Whereas the SSC beat that record on a 3 mile straight filled with pot holes...
@NegativeNumbers427 Id compare the veyron ss to______ as it holds the records now at all but 268 and is the best/last version.
Setting the record lap on top gear's track was a classic video whether you care for the racing elephant or not. It was frankly speaking shocking to watch that bulbous nosed spaceship handle better then everything.
It would be fun to see several of these cars do the same course at the same time. Long strait and curves. I'm a general car fan really.
@sirlonghair Thats probably true but few in the average mid 50's sales bracket would ever have any idea what a veyron is much less a close corner track.
@NegativeNumbers427 if bugatti wanted to they could easily do 270+, however they are about more then that, does ssc have a/c, abs, sat nav, and more? no...i respect both cars alot but are both built with a different mind frame.
@azonicrider32 Thank you so much. Ive been pushing this same argument for some time now. The bugatti is a luxury car that can hold speed records and be comfortable enough to drive for extended amounts of time. All of its competitors are bare bones purpose built vehicles. The bugatti accomplishes that which others wont even attempt to try. Those which cant respect...hate.
@azonicrider32 actually they even stated that they want to build the wordls fastest production car...thats what they said...sooo they arent much more than that.
actually bugatti didn't make it any faster because it would be too much power for someone who hasn't been trained to control that (i.e rappers ceo's people like that.) The buggatti isn't a race car, it's pretty much a car made for bragging rights
@NegativeNumbers427 yes and he also drove the new ss version and during which he was commentating and frequently looking at the camera. do you for 1 second think that he would be able to do the same in the ssc even on the same track? there is no way in hell, bugatti has built a car that shows us what the future of auto could be, driving comfortably and easily at 200+mph is a feat one any tack
too the comment that the Veyron is "crap" is was built as a technical exercise to expand technology. Having witness piston test of the 2004 Cobra motor made me appreciate what production engines are put through. Having worked on the piston design of this engine for Ks pistons, i witness and engine run at max hp for 10 minutes then max torque for 10 minutes and this cycled continuously for 40 hours, just to see how the piston would wear or "scuff". This is a fraction of endurance runs.
pcreque 6 months ago
Being an engineer and self taught engine builder having built BB Ford of 600 horse, I'm amazed at what NRE has acheived. The Dual personality that there engines are capable of is amazing. I would love to see what NRE's TT small block could do in a pulling truck where the Norm is huge cubic inches and/or being blown is the norm
pcreque 6 months ago
Lamborghini Murcielago LP670-4 SV is the funnest to drive, though... Sounds better, looks better, feels lighter, etc.
dritch1996 8 months ago
to all you veyron haters keep in mind it weighs 4000lbs if you cut that weight in half the car would be unbeatable, and for weighing 4000lbs its still the worlds fastest production car!!!!! so ssc can go suck it
bugattiveyron2009 10 months ago
lol arguments on YouTube are for dumbasses.
0verkill94 10 months ago
The bugfatti is shit. I don't think people realized what $2,000,000 is.
SICKJ0KER 1 year ago
That thing was hauling ass.....
VetteAholicZ06 1 year ago
The veyron is a street car. this car is not, the veyron will outlast this car.
estopatitiana 1 year ago
While I am not a big fan of the TKR(the body is a Saleen S7 rip-off, and you are comparing a car on race gas to a car on pump gas) the TKR fans are 100 times smarter than Veyron fans.
This car deserves credit for what it does. 260 in 3 miles on dirt(Veyron took waaay longer, SSC hit 257 in about 2 miles on pavement). It also did so without topping out.
TheOfficialKC 1 year ago
@TheOfficialKC Yeah, it does have a separate tank and fuel system for the race gas if it gets into high boost, but It still makes around 1100-1200 hp on pump. Most (if not all) NRE TT V8's make 1000+hp on pump gas and signifigantly more on race. I wonder if they are E85 compatible; the 105 octane pump fuel.
stlchucko 1 year ago
@stlchucko I figured. Most Nelson Twin Turbos have 2 fuel tanks.
I just wonder what this will hit on pump gas only. It will take longer and not reach as high a speed. Most likely it will still beat a Veyron.
TheOfficialKC 1 year ago
@TheOfficialKC They were only running 950hp on the 260mph El Mirage run; still in the pump gas territory. I'm curious what it would hit on the same run at full power.
I just looked up the Transtar Dagger..... HOLY HELL!!!!! estimated 0-60 in 1.5 sec and 6.5 sec 1/4 miles?!?!?!?!?!! Bugattiwhat. lmao
stlchucko 1 year ago
@stlchucko Don't believe Transtar's acceleration claims. It is not physically possible on street tires. 300mph is possible though. If it remains stable at those speeds.
If the TKR was running pump gas only it would have taken much longer to get there. But yeah, it must still be able to get there. I would like to see how fast it gets with more room.
TheOfficialKC 1 year ago
@stlchucko Also, have you seen the Transtar Dagger GT? They are going to use a Nelson 572 BBC. 1300hp on pump gas and 2000hp on race gas.
TheOfficialKC 1 year ago
Whats the song name? :D
kenpoiss14 1 year ago
The veyron started at 150+mph when it hit the 5 mile straightaway to hit it's top speed. This car hit 260 in 3 miles ON DIRT from a DEAD STOP using only HALF POWER. It does this while costing $620k (400k pounds), or roughly half the cost of the veyron. If you're complaining about the lack of creature comforts in the TKR, I'm sure that you can have them put in with the additional $500k saved from not buying the veyron. It boils down to if you're a rapper, get a veyron. If you're a driver, TKR.
stlchucko 1 year ago 27
@stlchucko
Completely agree. If im buying a car that can do 250mph, why would i want ac, sat nav, abs, ect? Too much stuff to go wrong and too much stuff to play with. I want a fast car to drive, not play with. Thats why i consider the McLaren F1 the world's best production super car. No abs, no traction control, no radio. Engine noise so loud in the compartment you cant hear. Thats a real driving experience in my book.
itsme78932 1 year ago
@stlchucko You're an idiot, comparing apples to oranges.
The Veyron goes beyond simple creature comforts it's carbon fiber and polished aluminum innovative combination used in just the paint design, an Art Form Technique design. The engine alone is Art with it's super light weight multiplicity cylinders Quad Turbocharged W16. How about you google the damn car before coming on here looking like an ignorant idiot. The Bugatti is an engineers dream machine.
SonzillaGTR 1 year ago
@SonzillaGTR I am an Engineer, the Veyron is crap. Too slow, too complex, too expensive. A W16 is big, heavy, and inefficient. Aluminum body panels should NOT be on a car that costs over $200,000, too cheap and heavy. AWD is too heavy and inefficient. Traction control and AWD are only put on a car that is designed like crap because they know it won't be able to handle what it has without it. Engineers build a good chassis that can handle all that power in RWD setup.
TheOfficialKC 1 year ago 2
@TheOfficialKC Your an Engineer?? LOL yeah I'm a rocket scientist. Sorry but you know nothing of what your talking about. When a company designs a car it's platform first starts with the chassis design in mind. How can you say AWD is for designs known to fail? You obviously don't know the heritage of what AWD machines have accomplished in motorsports, many championships with Audi Quattro and the GT-R won so many races against cars like the GT40 back in the days they had to ban AWD in 93.
SonzillaGTR 1 year ago
@SonzillaGTR
Based on my last calculations (which is mostly theoretical) Veyron is able reach 270mph with 1250bhp, actually have about 1000whp, BUT Veyron needs lots of time to get that speed, and TKR needs less. it's simple. Mass! Both car with same power have similar top speed, BUT TKR is powered by engine that have 50% more power and theoretical top speed near 300mph (limited by tires). I'm not fun of Veyron nor TKR but, TKR is best choice for reaching top speed.
2jzgtejza80 1 year ago
@TheOfficialKC It sounds like it's too complex for you to comprehend, I mean based on your response you obviously show impairment to understand it's form and function. You rather result in childish false claims. I highly suggest you educate yourself on chassis design. Many configurations can me made superior whether it be RWD or AWD. Traction control is on pretty much every production car today, 90% of the time due to safety reasons.. public road laws/restrictions, form, function etc etc.
SonzillaGTR 1 year ago
@SonzillaGTR
Look at McLaren F1, naturally aspirated engine 630bhp, technology old 17 years, top speed 240mph and aerodynamic better than 99,9% cars today.
2jzgtejza80 1 year ago
@stlchucko Secondly about the Keating TKR it's just a basic carbon fiber chassis covered by carbon fiber bodywork accompanied with all the basic off the shelf drivetrain/Suspension parts and powered by a GM LS7 yeah that's it .. Why this supercar can accomplish this speed is very basic - 70% Power 15% Aero and 15% weight 995kg. What I do admire is the Aero design of the TKR it indeed is very slick.
SonzillaGTR 1 year ago
@SonzillaGTR In a battle of "Fastest production car", it doesn't matter if it's "an engineers dream machine" or "it's just a basic carbon fiber chassis covered by carbon fiber bodywork accompanied with all the basic off the shelf drivetrain/Suspension parts". It's what car goes the fastest; period. It can be bare bones or have a diamond encrusted, AC seats with ass scratcher.
BTW: Before you start the name calling, check your facts. Weight has nothing to do with speed, only acceleration.
stlchucko 1 year ago 2
@stlchucko I want AC seats with built in ass scratcher now..
Get to.
cedartowndawg 1 year ago
@cedartowndawg lmao
stlchucko 1 year ago
@stlchucko You can leave the diamonds off, that would make them too hard.
Your deadline is three weeks.
You have a budget over three billion dollars, since Acura is supposedly doing one million laser scans of a door handle we're gonna be outrageous with money to throw around.
cedartowndawg 1 year ago
@stlchucko I disagree about weight being a problem for top speed all that weight puts friction on the rubber that's why the regular Veryon needs tires after 15 min at top speed wonder how they wear after making it faster I think I make a valid point don't you or are you one of those dreamers who think a Veryon is viable transportation for the price of a valve job on a Veryon you get a brand new NRE TTLS3 @1750 hp
sirlonghair 1 year ago
@sirlonghair I mean weight is not a determining factor in a vehicle's top speed. Power and aero are the 2 biggest factors. The tires wear out on the veyron because of going 260, not because it weighs 2 tons. Tiires wear out faster at higher speeds, but piston engined cars have gone over 400mph; so tires are available. Street legal, no.
BTW: I've been a proponent of NRE since first seeing the F-bomb in HotRod 5 or 6 years ago.
stlchucko 1 year ago
@stlchucko most speed runs over 350 MPH are on solid aluminum tires not only weight but also centrifugal forces want to toss the rubber right of the rim look at drag rails wen they launch those there slicks are about to explode if they had more than a few pounds of air and they do anyway rubber is a big factor
sirlonghair 1 year ago
@sirlonghair Think again. Rather than try to spew "facts"; take a minute, do some research, and then comment.
Goodyear 600.601 MPH tires on the Spirit of America's record run that was decades ago.
watch?v=0HLEvrFfg-I
Drag slicks are built to contort and expand the way they do. Land speed tires are also built to handle excessive speeds too.
stlchucko 1 year ago
@stlchucko you left out stopping and turning
sirlonghair 1 year ago
@SonzillaGTR 1) Weight does not affect top speed. 2) The TKR was using 900hp when it hit 260, so it isn't faster because of power. So 100% aerodynamics.
And your whole basic, basic basic argument. Exactly, basic is good. Easy to find parts, cheap to buy parts, easy and cheap to do maintenance, and it is reliable. KISS: Keep It Simple Stupid. No compromise on speed or serviceability. Pure performance, ease of use and ownership, and most importantly BUILT TO DRIVE.
TheOfficialKC 1 year ago
@stlchucko the veyron is 253 mph and now a new veryon a veryon ss it can reach 267 mph
bmwfanz 1 year ago
@bmwfanz It still doesn't change the fact that if the veyron is ran at El Mirage, it wouldn't reach near the speed the TKR did. If you put the TKR on the track the veyron did it's speed run on, it would blow away the 270 mph mark with low boost. Crank up the boost and 290+ mph would be realistic since it would have:
Nearly twice the power (1750 vs 900hp)
smoother/longer track (5 mile paved straight vs 3 mile on dirt)
a head start (150mph hitting the str8 vs dead stop on dirt)
stlchucko 1 year ago 2
@stlchucko Finally, I have met someone that likes cars AND is intelligent. I have been telling these stupid Veyron fanboys for a long time that weight does not affect top speed, only acceleration and handling. And I have been trying to tell them the difference between hitting 253mph on a 5.5 mile straight AFTER a 130mph turn versus a 2.5 mile straight with an S-bend in the middle(SSC Ultimate Aero). Glad to see someone has a brain.
TheOfficialKC 1 year ago
@stlchucko veyron will not move.. There northing about courage about 260mph. james may did it lol
antonyr123 1 year ago
@stlchucko Is the TKR a street legal production car?
jboss628 1 year ago
@jboss628 "As to the objections about the Keating TKR is not a production car, this may be a matter of debate. The fact remains anyone with sufficient funds can order this same car with this extraordinary TT NRE SBC engine. Its perfectly streetable as any production car. " Copy/Paste from description.
Yes, it is street legal. Anyone with the money can buy one.
stlchucko 1 year ago
@stlchucko While I would definitely buy this over the veyron, the veyron is a much smoother, more refined car to drive.
NorthWestV6 11 months ago
@NorthWestV6 Some people dont want that!
edtri19 10 months ago
@stlchucko this is also a small block not v16 motor nore does it have 4 turbos but only 2 an was making less power then the veyron to beat it XD
fstylezkrNNN 10 months ago
@fstylezkrNNN I'm well aware of what it is. I've been following NRE since he built the F-Bomb Camaro for David Freiburger of HotRod magazine, way before the car was copied for F&F4.
stlchucko 10 months ago
@stlchucko I'm not judging your know about of there cars people seem to read your comment cause it sticks out there for i was adding on to people who follow the crappy veyron :)
fstylezkrNNN 10 months ago
@fstylezkrNNN Oh, ok. My bad. It was a late night last night. lol
stlchucko 10 months ago
@stlchucko Yeah but you have to remember anything that is THE BEST is always gonna be twice of what the runners up cost.
1CLight 9 months ago
@1CLight The best at what, going fast (which is what this debate has been about)? The TKR clearly has the Veyron (the SS version included) trumped in that. It beats the regular Veyron while running 900hp (100 less than the Veyron). The SS has what, about 1300hp? That's nowhere near the 1800hp this car makes. The only thing the Veyron has on the TKR is a better launch and luxury creature comforts, but that's a different argument than the top speed discussion.
stlchucko 9 months ago
@stlchucko 268 mph is faster than the 260 that the TKR supposedly achieved.
idontcare80 9 months ago
@idontcare80 The TKR went 260 at half power, it did that run at 900 hp or so and the engine was built to handle 1750 hp on over 30 PSI of boost, and the boost is adjustable at the push of a button on those NRE twin turbos...
DeAdiSSu3 7 months ago
@DeAdiSSu3 And?
idontcare80 7 months ago
@idontcare80 So the only thing holding the TKR back from 280 mph or more is how big the balls of the driver are....
DeAdiSSu3 7 months ago
@DeAdiSSu3 Says you. It may not even be aerodynamically stable enough to go much past 260.
idontcare80 7 months ago
@idontcare80 At 260 mph on low boost it still had plenty of gear left, I would like to see this car at bonneville on over 20 PSI....
DeAdiSSu3 7 months ago
@DeAdiSSu3 Again I say... AND??? That doesn't mean it would actually stay on the ground.
idontcare80 7 months ago
@idontcare80 I'm willing to bet it can handle another 7 or 8 mph, and it doesn't need 5 miles of friggin runway to get up there....
DeAdiSSu3 7 months ago
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idontcare80 7 months ago
@idontcare80 Sounds like you're the one who needs to get over something. If a Ford GT can do 267 mph, what makes you think this car can't? Just by looking at it you can tell it's more aerodynamic than a Ford GT...
DeAdiSSu3 7 months ago
@DeAdiSSu3 You're not getting it. The Veyron went 268 mph while meeting all of the requirements that a production car has to meet. It runs on pump gas, it meets strict safety standards, it meets emissions requirements and it did all of this on street tires. It's not just some stripped out wannabe supercar or a production car with massive modifications, it's a real street legal production car. That is a MASSIVE engineering achievement.
idontcare80 7 months ago
@idontcare80 All keating supercars come with a nelson racing engine "stock"....and yes, it meets all requirements as a production car, and yes, they all have sticky street tires, and yes, they all run on pump gas. This car isn't a "wannabe" supercar or a production car with massive mods, its the essence of a supercar, everything needed to go world-class fast, not much more.
DeAdiSSu3 7 months ago
@DeAdiSSu3 The Ford GT you mentioned does not run on pump gas and did not go 267 mph on street tires. And no, the Keating "supercars" don't have emissions controls. Show me proof to the contrary and I'll take that back. Also, why bother making some pointless high speed run on low boost? If the car had the capability to go faster why not make it do so?
idontcare80 7 months ago
@idontcare80 You don't just try and do almost 300 mph, you work up to it, making sure the cars suspension, tires, frame, everything can handle it at 200 mph, 220 mph and so on, you don't just hop in, crank up the boost and floor it till it won't go any faster lol. btw, not only did the driver run out of balls, he almost ran out of room. He had to let off before he ran out of room to slow down. Keating is a legal production car, whats your proof that they DON'T have emissions friendly exhaust?
DeAdiSSu3 7 months ago
@DeAdiSSu3 You're just making excuse after excuse, I believe the word for people like you is apologist. I'll write Keating an email and see if they can provide some kind of proof that these cars have emissions controls. As far as I can tell they use some kind of loophole to register these cars as kit cars like Noble did for the M400. As for the driver's balls, I think he probably just has enough brains to figure out that it's not a good idea to trust some under-engineered go cart to go 260+ mph.
idontcare80 7 months ago
@idontcare80 The driver was actually Dan keating, the brother of Anthony keating, and he said, give or take a few words: "at 260 I still had gear left, the car wanted to keep pushing but for one, I was out of room and for two, I was too busy trying to keep my bowels intact to go any faster." Anyway, what makes you think the car is "under-engineered"? That's one of the most ridiculous things i've ever heard, 260 mph at half power on dirt and that's what you have to say? Thanks for the laugh.
DeAdiSSu3 7 months ago
@DeAdiSSu3 The thing has never even been in a wind tunnel, I'd say that's pretty under-engineered for a car that's expected to go well past the 200 mph mark.. Like I've said (we're on the third time now), I don't doubt that this car has the power to go faster, I doubt that it has the aerodynamic stability. You'd have to be a moron to try to take this car past 260 because it would probably go airborne and be torn to pieces when it hit the ground.
idontcare80 7 months ago
@idontcare80 Well shit man, i've seen that happen to a MUSTANG at just over 260 mph, this thing is far more aerodynamic than that mustang was. Just sayin'.
DeAdiSSu3 7 months ago
@DeAdiSSu3 Just sayin' doesn't make it true.
idontcare80 7 months ago
@idontcare80 Make what true? Anyone with eyesight can see that the keating is far more aerodynamic than the mustang I saw get airborn around 260 mph. Are you blind? Do you have someone read people's replys to you and type your responses for ya?
DeAdiSSu3 7 months ago
@DeAdiSSu3 Without wind tunnel testing you can inadvertently create a wing shape that could be unstable at high speeds. You can't just look at something and say it's more aerodynamic.
idontcare80 7 months ago
@idontcare80 Sure I can, seeing as this car doesn't have a wing in the first place....
DeAdiSSu3 7 months ago
@DeAdiSSu3 lol, geez. THE WHOLE CAR BECOMES A WING!!!
idontcare80 7 months ago
@idontcare80 Its obviously not unstable at 260 mph on dirt so if it had more room, i'm guessing it'll go quite a bit faster before that happens.
DeAdiSSu3 7 months ago
@DeAdiSSu3 Did that Mustang make it to 260 mph? YES. Did it make it to 268? NO!!! That's why REAL car companies do wind tunnel testing, so they don't shred a car and possibly kill a driver while trying to figure out how fast that car can go before it goes airborne.
Geez, with the way your brain works, I bet you could convince yourself that your own shit was bean dip and eat it right out of the toilet bowl.
idontcare80 7 months ago
@idontcare80 I wasn't talking about the mustang that got airborn at 260, I was talking about the keating....which is alot more aerodynamic than the mustang was....the keating can go faster than 260, sorry if that makes you angry. Why do you dislike this car so much, anyway? It went fucking 260 mph pushing low boost on a dirt runway.....anyone who claims to be a car enthusiest can appreciate what the keating tkr did, especially with those "track" conditions....
DeAdiSSu3 7 months ago
@DeAdiSSu3 Man, you are thick. The Mustang lost control at just over 260, why couldn't the Keating car? There is no way to know when this car will loose control because it's never been tested in a wind tunnel and there is also no way to know how much faster this car can go. Right now, it can go 260 and that's not very impressive for a stripped down go cart with a twin turbo V8.
idontcare80 7 months ago
@idontcare80 Seeing as it's done 260 on low boost, it'll certainly accelerate to 260 ALOT faster when you turn the boost up....those guys were hardly toying with it on this run. It's safe to say (since the mustang isn't nearly as aerodynamic as the keating) that the keating will go faster than 260....btw I don't see how this car being a "stripped down go-kart" even matters, its all about how fast you can go and how quickly you can get to that speed. Weight has nothing to do with top speed anyway
DeAdiSSu3 7 months ago
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@DeAdiSSu3 lol, you are a retard.
idontcare80 7 months ago
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@DeAdiSSu3 Yeah well, it didn't. Get over it.
idontcare80 7 months ago
@stlchucko And it doesn't even have a fire wall! Reach down to unbuckle your seat belt, then, AHHH!!!! Your hand gets munched by the belts on the idling engine. This thing is a go cart, not a car.
idontcare80 9 months ago
I'd like to see this against Underground Racing's TT Gallardo that recently ran 250 at the Texas mile.....
96t5wagon 1 year ago
in on first page ;)
redhot916spd 1 year ago
Lets hope those bugattit fanboys get this through their heads....
NegativeNumbers427 1 year ago
@NegativeNumbers427 apples to watermelons but an inevitable comparison i suppose.
cold02rex 1 year ago
@cold02rex
Well all the comparisons with the bugatti are all biased in the buggattis favour.
You watch James May drive the veyron at 252mph on a 5 mile Smooth straight. Whereas the SSC beat that record on a 3 mile straight filled with pot holes...
NegativeNumbers427 1 year ago
@NegativeNumbers427 Id compare the veyron ss to______ as it holds the records now at all but 268 and is the best/last version.
Setting the record lap on top gear's track was a classic video whether you care for the racing elephant or not. It was frankly speaking shocking to watch that bulbous nosed spaceship handle better then everything.
It would be fun to see several of these cars do the same course at the same time. Long strait and curves. I'm a general car fan really.
cold02rex 1 year ago
@cold02rex a base vet could take a Veryon on a close corner race track
sirlonghair 1 year ago
@sirlonghair Thats probably true but few in the average mid 50's sales bracket would ever have any idea what a veyron is much less a close corner track.
cold02rex 1 year ago
@cold02rex no but you do and you know it's true the Veryon is NOT the super car every one thinks it is
sirlonghair 1 year ago
@NegativeNumbers427 if bugatti wanted to they could easily do 270+, however they are about more then that, does ssc have a/c, abs, sat nav, and more? no...i respect both cars alot but are both built with a different mind frame.
azonicrider32 1 year ago
@azonicrider32 Thank you so much. Ive been pushing this same argument for some time now. The bugatti is a luxury car that can hold speed records and be comfortable enough to drive for extended amounts of time. All of its competitors are bare bones purpose built vehicles. The bugatti accomplishes that which others wont even attempt to try. Those which cant respect...hate.
Wonderbread1023 1 year ago
@azonicrider32 actually they even stated that they want to build the wordls fastest production car...thats what they said...sooo they arent much more than that.
WeNeedFoodPlease 1 year ago
@azonicrider32
actually bugatti didn't make it any faster because it would be too much power for someone who hasn't been trained to control that (i.e rappers ceo's people like that.) The buggatti isn't a race car, it's pretty much a car made for bragging rights
ssonosk 1 year ago
@NegativeNumbers427 yes and he also drove the new ss version and during which he was commentating and frequently looking at the camera. do you for 1 second think that he would be able to do the same in the ssc even on the same track? there is no way in hell, bugatti has built a car that shows us what the future of auto could be, driving comfortably and easily at 200+mph is a feat one any tack
azonicrider32 1 year ago
@azonicrider32
But at the same time he Hasn't done that with the SSC.
The SSC hasn't even been driven on Top Gear so it isn't possible to be compared...
NegativeNumbers427 1 year ago
@NegativeNumbers427 yea and TKR has not either... I see the TKR taking the speed record on that track if it ever happens
Tj1056 1 year ago 2
@Tj1056
I would love to see that. Put VW back in its place...
NegativeNumbers427 1 year ago
@NegativeNumbers427 lol
Tj1056 1 year ago
Wow...
Why'd it take you almost a year to post this vid? Dan didn't get to you until now?
Czar169 1 year ago
@Czar169 I hear editing is a real bitch hahaha
gotz71 1 year ago
wow sick !!!!!! nelson is number 1
bodybag101 1 year ago
how much is this car?
eloelo511 1 year ago
How many pounds of boost?
TheCopperhead572 1 year ago
@TheCopperhead572 lowest boost possible about half power @ this run
sirlonghair 1 year ago
Hell ya!
RESET1776 1 year ago
Nice
TheCopperhead572 1 year ago
WHOA!
TugOwar 1 year ago