Us Algerians were ignored until we terrorized the French out of our country. Likewise, Palestinians have been ignored, and so they have spoken. What Hamas does is no comparison to what Israel does. Israel killed more children on the first day of Cast Lead than Israelis killed by Hamas in months if not years.
I don't care what your reasons are, pushing democracy does not mean supporting dictatorships like KSA and Egypt, and calling them "moderate Arabs". Yeesh.
@IRightYouWrong I'm sure that's what America was overthrowing democratic governments in Latin America and Iran, and why it supported the Saudi occupation of Bahrain.
I'm also sure democracy means supporting Mubarak until he loses control, then turn on him.
Hamas is armed resistance. Don't play the kill Jews card, because destruction of a political entity, and genocide of a population, are two completely different things.
Us Algerians were ignored until we terrorized the French out of our
@IRightYouWrong yes you are right Democracy should be like in pakistan where USA supported all The militray Dictators for 34 years of 64 years pakistan history. and also The true Democracy is only if USA approved it .
Down with USA. Democracy is nothing but a way to put ur puppets in middle east.
@IRightYouWrong Yes, in a nutshell it's internal politics and money.
I don't believe America wants democracy in the Middle East - FIS, Ennahda, Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas, Hezbollah, AKP are all Islamist parties that go against American interests - chiefly money and internal politics, as you said. Democracy has shown that this is what the Middle Eastern masses want: they don't want to be forced to ally themselves with America, they want real independence. That's why we're kept under dictators.
@IRightYouWrong But the Jihad was against Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Israel, etc. Basically against our enemies in the region. Al Qaeda only attacks America because it sponsors those regimes. France was sending police officers to the Tunisian regime. Egyptian protesters waved "Made in America" gas cans at cameras. Britain was selling weapons to Bahrain during these protests.
Saudi Arabia FINANCES (or financed) the Taliban to begin with. The Afghans never asked for any of this.
@IRightYouWrong Okay, I've just read it. So in a nutshell, it IS about the money - since the article keeps going on about economic defects of a change in power balance.
Basically we have no right to be strong - only America has.
@IRightYouWrong Fine, I will but as a Muslim living in Dubai, I'll never be able to see Afghanistan and Iraq as self-defense. A thousand ways other than war could have been used for Osama Bin Laden. And Iraq was already decaying; it would likely have gone down the same way Libya and Syria are today. Don't forget, Iraq is surrounded by enemies all around (unless it miraculously struck last minute alliances and reconciliations).
@IRightYouWrong I'm more concerned about the Kurds than anyone else.
And yet America supported Iraq during his war on Iran.
Look, double standards are in play - you cannot deny that. And even if you're right, two rights don't make a wrong. Afghans and Iraqis didn't want anything to do with this. They paid the price for something they didn't even do.
No matter how you look at it, defending those wars is despicable.
@IRightYouWrong Cont. to hand him over unconditionally. No nation on Earth has the right to demand unconditional actions from other countries. You know the one responsible for the 1993 WTC attack? Pakistan wasn't invaded over him, and in 2004 he was arrested there, no harm done.
That, and America refused to hand over a terrorist who blew up an airliner in Venezuela because America claimed he would be tortured.
Please don't claim the facts are on your side, cause they aren't.
@IRightYouWrong Cont. They took on America out of standards. Seriously, go look up the timeline of events after 9/11. "There's no discussing innocence or guilty; we know he's guilty." Would you give up a guest in your house just because some armed gang came and claimed they had evidence he killed one of them? Or would you ask them to show you the evidence first?
What if he was tortured? Isn't that a human rights abuse? The Taliban had no international obligation to hand him over
@IRightYouWrong What facts are on your side, tell me please? Al Qaeda wanted to emulate the Taliban worldwide; how does that reflect the Taliban's intentions?
The Taliban said multiple times that they will give him to Bush provided Bush gives them evidence. Bush REFUSED. He said, "We know he's guilty."
I thought the law was innocent till proven guilty. If Bush had proof, he'd have given it to the Taliban, then they'd have no excuse.
The Taliban lost control of the country they fought for.
@IRightYouWrong Saddam was like Hitler. I don't disagree with that.
But he didn't preach fascism, Saudi does. Saudi is 1 million times worse than Saddam, because it indoctrinates millions of youths worldwide. 15 of the hijackers were Saudi. Wake up.
Furthermore, Iran and Kuwait aren't the cleanest governments either. Iran support Kurdish and Shiite insurrections against Saddam and occupied three UAE islands, threatening Bahrain next. Kuwait waged economic warfare on Iraq.
@IRightYouWrong You do realize that Afghans were fighting against the Taliban for a while, right?
Saddam never supported terror (save for Fatah of Palestine), and he was anti-Al Qaeda and anti-Islamist, he was a secular and he helped keep Al Qaeda as well as Shiite militants away. He was only destroyed because he's a threat to America's fascist allies, Saudi Arabia and Israel.
Your way of justifying everything America does is sickening. Saddam would've given women's rights in Saudi Arabia.
@IRightYouWrong Dude, the Taliban and Al Qaeda are different organizations. Al Qaeda is no match for the Taliban. The Taliban are Afghan refugees who grew up in Pakistani radical schools funded by KSA, their mission is to govern a united Afghanistan with their ideology. Al Qaeda was formed by merging countless Arab radical Jihad movements into one, its goals supernational.
There is no reason to believe that the Taliban won't hand over Bin Laden if America provides proof of his complicity.
Lets not be emotional ,be logical. First of all terrorism should be defined.Secondly, Mullah Omer inquired about the evidence of Osama's involvement in Afghanistan, if proven guilty he would be handed over to US but the US didn't give any evidence. As you said that you don't care about them, then similarly they won't care about you.As a result war would go on.
I think you have never been in Pakistan and Afghanistan and as a result you haven't seen the mess and chaos made by US.Through its war on terror and collateral damage it has created more militants .In 9/11 only 3000 (approx) people were killed but you people don't see how many people have you killed.
As far as sectarian violence in Iraq is concerned,it was initially fueled by US as sunni-shia had joined forces against US.Suddenly, bomb blasts started in the worship places of both sects.
Al Qaeeda might have killed thousands of people in the world but the US in the name of War on terror killed millions in Iraq and Afghanistan ,and thousands in Pakistan through drone attacks out of which according to american congress 15 were suspected terrorists and 3200 were innocent civilians. I wonder who is the bigger terrorist US or Al- Qaeeda ?
the religion of animals = islam
bnpbnptgtr 2 days ago
It is not America's War's, it is the New world Order's War, the Illuminati's War. The international child molesting Bankers' Wars' . PERIOD.
Hkhan23 1 month ago
@IRightYouWrong Cont.
Us Algerians were ignored until we terrorized the French out of our country. Likewise, Palestinians have been ignored, and so they have spoken. What Hamas does is no comparison to what Israel does. Israel killed more children on the first day of Cast Lead than Israelis killed by Hamas in months if not years.
I don't care what your reasons are, pushing democracy does not mean supporting dictatorships like KSA and Egypt, and calling them "moderate Arabs". Yeesh.
UltimateDarkloid 6 months ago
@IRightYouWrong I'm sure that's what America was overthrowing democratic governments in Latin America and Iran, and why it supported the Saudi occupation of Bahrain.
I'm also sure democracy means supporting Mubarak until he loses control, then turn on him.
Hamas is armed resistance. Don't play the kill Jews card, because destruction of a political entity, and genocide of a population, are two completely different things.
Us Algerians were ignored until we terrorized the French out of our
UltimateDarkloid 6 months ago
@IRightYouWrong yes you are right Democracy should be like in pakistan where USA supported all The militray Dictators for 34 years of 64 years pakistan history. and also The true Democracy is only if USA approved it .
Down with USA. Democracy is nothing but a way to put ur puppets in middle east.
sadeek469 6 months ago
@IRightYouWrong Yes, in a nutshell it's internal politics and money.
I don't believe America wants democracy in the Middle East - FIS, Ennahda, Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas, Hezbollah, AKP are all Islamist parties that go against American interests - chiefly money and internal politics, as you said. Democracy has shown that this is what the Middle Eastern masses want: they don't want to be forced to ally themselves with America, they want real independence. That's why we're kept under dictators.
UltimateDarkloid 8 months ago
@IRightYouWrong But the Jihad was against Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Israel, etc. Basically against our enemies in the region. Al Qaeda only attacks America because it sponsors those regimes. France was sending police officers to the Tunisian regime. Egyptian protesters waved "Made in America" gas cans at cameras. Britain was selling weapons to Bahrain during these protests.
Saudi Arabia FINANCES (or financed) the Taliban to begin with. The Afghans never asked for any of this.
UltimateDarkloid 8 months ago
@IRightYouWrong Okay, I've just read it. So in a nutshell, it IS about the money - since the article keeps going on about economic defects of a change in power balance.
Basically we have no right to be strong - only America has.
Now tell me that's justified.
UltimateDarkloid 8 months ago
@IRightYouWrong Fine, I will but as a Muslim living in Dubai, I'll never be able to see Afghanistan and Iraq as self-defense. A thousand ways other than war could have been used for Osama Bin Laden. And Iraq was already decaying; it would likely have gone down the same way Libya and Syria are today. Don't forget, Iraq is surrounded by enemies all around (unless it miraculously struck last minute alliances and reconciliations).
UltimateDarkloid 8 months ago
@IRightYouWrong I'm more concerned about the Kurds than anyone else.
And yet America supported Iraq during his war on Iran.
Look, double standards are in play - you cannot deny that. And even if you're right, two rights don't make a wrong. Afghans and Iraqis didn't want anything to do with this. They paid the price for something they didn't even do.
No matter how you look at it, defending those wars is despicable.
UltimateDarkloid 8 months ago
@IRightYouWrong Over 3,600 Iraqi civilians died during the Gulf War alone. That was ages before 9/11.
UltimateDarkloid 8 months ago
@IRightYouWrong Civilian casualties not withstanding?
UltimateDarkloid 8 months ago
@IRightYouWrong Assuming it was, is that a good excuse to invade a country?
UltimateDarkloid 9 months ago
@IRightYouWrong Cont. to hand him over unconditionally. No nation on Earth has the right to demand unconditional actions from other countries. You know the one responsible for the 1993 WTC attack? Pakistan wasn't invaded over him, and in 2004 he was arrested there, no harm done.
That, and America refused to hand over a terrorist who blew up an airliner in Venezuela because America claimed he would be tortured.
Please don't claim the facts are on your side, cause they aren't.
UltimateDarkloid 9 months ago
@IRightYouWrong Cont. They took on America out of standards. Seriously, go look up the timeline of events after 9/11. "There's no discussing innocence or guilty; we know he's guilty." Would you give up a guest in your house just because some armed gang came and claimed they had evidence he killed one of them? Or would you ask them to show you the evidence first?
What if he was tortured? Isn't that a human rights abuse? The Taliban had no international obligation to hand him over
UltimateDarkloid 9 months ago
@IRightYouWrong What facts are on your side, tell me please? Al Qaeda wanted to emulate the Taliban worldwide; how does that reflect the Taliban's intentions?
The Taliban said multiple times that they will give him to Bush provided Bush gives them evidence. Bush REFUSED. He said, "We know he's guilty."
I thought the law was innocent till proven guilty. If Bush had proof, he'd have given it to the Taliban, then they'd have no excuse.
The Taliban lost control of the country they fought for.
UltimateDarkloid 9 months ago
@IRightYouWrong Saddam was like Hitler. I don't disagree with that.
But he didn't preach fascism, Saudi does. Saudi is 1 million times worse than Saddam, because it indoctrinates millions of youths worldwide. 15 of the hijackers were Saudi. Wake up.
Furthermore, Iran and Kuwait aren't the cleanest governments either. Iran support Kurdish and Shiite insurrections against Saddam and occupied three UAE islands, threatening Bahrain next. Kuwait waged economic warfare on Iraq.
UltimateDarkloid 9 months ago
@IRightYouWrong You do realize that Afghans were fighting against the Taliban for a while, right?
Saddam never supported terror (save for Fatah of Palestine), and he was anti-Al Qaeda and anti-Islamist, he was a secular and he helped keep Al Qaeda as well as Shiite militants away. He was only destroyed because he's a threat to America's fascist allies, Saudi Arabia and Israel.
Your way of justifying everything America does is sickening. Saddam would've given women's rights in Saudi Arabia.
UltimateDarkloid 9 months ago
@IRightYouWrong Dude, the Taliban and Al Qaeda are different organizations. Al Qaeda is no match for the Taliban. The Taliban are Afghan refugees who grew up in Pakistani radical schools funded by KSA, their mission is to govern a united Afghanistan with their ideology. Al Qaeda was formed by merging countless Arab radical Jihad movements into one, its goals supernational.
There is no reason to believe that the Taliban won't hand over Bin Laden if America provides proof of his complicity.
UltimateDarkloid 9 months ago
Lets not be emotional ,be logical. First of all terrorism should be defined.Secondly, Mullah Omer inquired about the evidence of Osama's involvement in Afghanistan, if proven guilty he would be handed over to US but the US didn't give any evidence. As you said that you don't care about them, then similarly they won't care about you.As a result war would go on.
Ghazet01 9 months ago
I think you have never been in Pakistan and Afghanistan and as a result you haven't seen the mess and chaos made by US.Through its war on terror and collateral damage it has created more militants .In 9/11 only 3000 (approx) people were killed but you people don't see how many people have you killed.
As far as sectarian violence in Iraq is concerned,it was initially fueled by US as sunni-shia had joined forces against US.Suddenly, bomb blasts started in the worship places of both sects.
Ghazet01 9 months ago
Al Qaeeda might have killed thousands of people in the world but the US in the name of War on terror killed millions in Iraq and Afghanistan ,and thousands in Pakistan through drone attacks out of which according to american congress 15 were suspected terrorists and 3200 were innocent civilians. I wonder who is the bigger terrorist US or Al- Qaeeda ?
Ghazet01 9 months ago