Nothing but the truth here. Love it. Thanks for posting. And if you think about it, it is very logical. That's one thing I noticed when I converted to the church.
Thank you for making this. People have been making me really mad lately because of all the lies they've been telling about Mormonism. This made me feel a lot better.
Wait wait wait wait. If a veil was placed over our eyes to forget our "premortal" life with God, then how did u Mormons find out about our premortal life in the first place? I mean, if God didn't want us to know about him or our lives before this life, how can you preach to me about it? Did God go against his own words and tell someone about it? Please advise
@KB200887: The veil was meant to remove the DETAILS of our premortal life, but not our idea of or longing for our home in heaven with God. The knowledge of our premortal life with God has not been kept from us, but the details of what took place there have been taken from our memories for a time, so that here in this life, we can "walk by faith and not by sight." When God was creating the earth, the Bible records that "all the sons of God shouted for joy" (Job 38:7)
@KB200887 God wants us to know about his plan of salvation and the premortal life. This is why he has called prophets through which he can reveal the truths that we have forgotten when we passed through the veil. The words of the prophets have been recorded in scriptures such as the bible. We believe that he also calls prophets in our day. It is through these prophets that we know about the premortal life.
Interesting but, I don't agree with the idea that God wanted us to be more like him. No one can be equal or above God and likewise, no one can be "like" God either. God is more then any human being can comprehend and because of that, we can't ever be LIKE him....just my opinion.
@MixedBeauti03: Thank you for your comment. There are some scriptures that allude to our need to become more like Him: "Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, WE SHALL BE LIKE HIM; for we shall see him as he is." (1st John 3:2), and Romans 8:17 tells us that we are "heirs of God and joint-heirs with Christ."
@MixedBeauti03: "But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are CHANGED INTO THE SAME IMAGE from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord." (2nd Corinthians 3:18) and Matthew 5:48, "Be ye therefore perfect [whole, completed], even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect." We can't ever replace or be above God; He will ever be over us as our Ruler, our God, and our Father.
Look, I don't necessarily believe what you guys believe, but I am a Christian, and I do believe in God. However, one of the things that doesn't add up is that you guys seem to way too heavily compare God and the angels (or demons) to human nature. God and his angels (and unfortunately the demons as well) are way more advanced than us mentally, physically, and spiritually, to the extent of it being unimaginable to us. We shouldn't assume they act like or feel like we do.
Very nice video. I think is does a great job of explaining the pre-mortal life. I will use this video in sharing this gospel doctrine with my friends.
Respectfully, I don't understand how God could choose Jesus in those circumstances. It's like God wants his spirit children to fail. And what was Jesus saving them from, when apparently Lucifer hadn't rebelled yet? I agree pain and suffering can teach, but what good would that knowledge be if there was no pain and suffering in the universe anyway? What was the purpose of the council? If no council, no rebellion, therefore no pain and suffering, so all people reach godhood. Thanks for the video.
@jogsingumboots There you go again ... thinking. Now you see why Lucifer wanted to squelch free will and make you an automaton. Can you imagine how much of a cross it is to bear to be God and have all his little children asking questions all day long and continually insisting on ostentatious details such as "evidence" and "observation"? Maybe we should give God 2 days off ... perhaps Monday. Everybody hates Monday.
@jogsingumboots The council had to do with this life and who would be our savior. We would not be able to progress physically because we did not have a body yet and spiritually because we didn't go through the trials of this life that make us stronger and become closer to our Heavenly Father. If we aren't close to Him mentally and spiritually how could we be "like" Him.
I find it telling that anyone could 'dislike' anything that simply talks about the gospel of Jesus Christ and the actual doctrine and teachings of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints nicknamed 'mormons'. Appears that 107 anti-Mormons voted 'dislike'.
Ok let me jus stop you at 1:10, If you can't rememeber being in heaven in the first place..How is it that someone ...you know what its an oxymormon ..
@bkeving2: We have revelation to prophets and recorded in scripture that we lived with God before coming to earth, and there are a few brief facts about the war in heaven recorded in Isaiah and Revelation, but the grand details we can't remember...what it was like, how it felt, what exactly we did.
@mikebatie - Magnets follow the laws of gravity and perpetual energy. WE believe that we live on Earth, which is just a "Big Magnet." We believe in Magnets... hahahaha...
if there's a veil that stunted our memories of being spirit children..then how did we remember it enough to write it down and further make a religion out of this beginning concept?
@rindseylozak: It has been revealed to prophets and apostles and they have recorded it in scripture. In the book of Job we read of the sons of God shouting for joy when the foundations of the earth were being laid, in Ecclesiastes we read of our spirits RETURNING to the God who gave them life, and in Isaiah and Revelation we read of the war in heaven. So some events regarding premortal life are revealed in scripture, while the vast majority of our knowledge and memory of that time has faded.
God is the color depicted by the artists. I did not specifically seek for a certain race to represent God, however, if you do a Google image search for the terms "Jesus" or "God" you will find a similar trend.
God is the ruler of the universe, therefore images of His universe ("space") are shown. Clouds are basically the artists' way of depicting the unknown. We don't know exactly what heaven looks like, thus clouds are an easy and safe choice.
@mikebatie i say also that prayer is a form of meditation that is meant as a way to change ones mind in a dinamic and highly positive way, i think that a great deal of "answered" prayers come from this. if i pray to become more humble, or to be more insightful as to the needs of those around me it is eventualy so, in the sense that i am commiting to the concept with all my heart, not to say that there is never a god that does help me when i can not do something on my own.
I feel like what this just explained is very familiar. Like I might have known this story deep within all along. Yet Im caught in between being a regular Christian and this. And if i choose the wrong path, I feel like ill be damned. Its very hard to know whats right, because there can only be one way. But this explanation brought peace within, like Ive heard it before, and I have not.
Hey, I'm a follower of Jesus and I just want to encourage you that salvation does not come through following one particular church or another church, but it comes through the person of Jesus Christ, he is the only one who can save you from darkness and give you eternal life, this the Bible is clear on. I want to encourage you also, God will NEVER turn a person away who has been searching for Him, He doesn't do that to His children! I will be praying for God to direct you! Bless you
@Caynyne do not fear! the one thing that i have learned is that god is full of love, he is not a god of condemnation, only to those who perposfully revolk what they know to be right and do despicable things in the face of god will he dam if they are not sorrowful and repentent, i feel very strongly that god has great love and mercy for unknowing souls. we were put hear without sure knowledge of anything, why would he throw out those that are blind and stumbled in the dark.
Heavenly father did not choose Jesus plan because it was not Christ’s plan. It was the plan of the Father for Christ to be our Savior. Heavenly Father just stuck to his own plan and told Lucifer NO. Many LDS members get that part wrong. They assumed that Christ came up with the plan of “Sacrifice”, when in actuality it was the plan of the Father all along.
@snuffokk: I agree with you. Jesus did not come up with his own plan. He agreed to follow the plan of our Heavenly Father. It was Lucifer who presented a plan of his own, in opposition to God's plan.
@mikebatie Yes God said who would follow out the plan a be the savior but Lucifer wanted to but he wanted to power and glory for himself and for us not to have free agency but to only listen and obey all of God's comments kinda like robots i say
@mikebatie Jesus Christ really did followed our Heavenly Father's plan, we are now mortal having our free agency. It depends on us if we use that agency whether we want to go back to be like our Dear Heavenly Father as he want us to be.
That is completely false. Saying many LDS believes this is false. Even if they did does not represent the view of the Church. You must have made that up. The LDS church believes that Jesus volunteered first to be the one to come to Earth and fill the role of Savior and Redeemer that God the Father planned for to save man.
@xxxnewbreedxxx: Thank you. No one is immune from temptation. What's important is that we pick ourselves back up each time we fall and keep pressing forward, striving to follow the Savior. God bless.
...so realistic was their conception of pre-existence, explains Seaich, that contemporary [at the time of Christ] Jews described the very chambers (Hebrew guf, araboth) in which these souls dwelled, awaiting their turn to descend into bodies.
In talmudic times (the first centuries of the Common Era) the belief was current among Jews that mans soul was independent of his body, existing eternally in the past and in the future. Only for a short, limited time is it placed in the body of a certain human being. All the souls of the world pre-exist in heaven in a kind of spiritual reservoir.
Hey Mikebatie Have you read the Bible, Like the Greek Septuegous i might have that spelt wrong. Revelations 12:12 has nothing about the gates of heaven. Not even the regular KJV has anything in 12:12 about the gates of heaven only the "LDS" one does. Also Paul refutes the "pre-mortal" Life. He clearly says that Adam came from the earth as to be our bodies come first, then Jesus came from the heavens as our spiritual bodies come second. Then he clarifies Physical Body first, spiritual body second
Haha, forgive my moment of dyslexia...I had the numbers backwards, that reference is Revelation 21:21(and not 12:12). KJV, NIV, NLT, ESV, ASV, ERV, WBT, YLT versions of the Holy Bible all speak of the gates of the heavenly city.
You said "only the 'LDS' one does [refer to gates]." Have you read the LDS version? There is no LDS version of the Bible. We read from the Authorized King James Version.
@mikebatie Thanks for the fast reply. My NIV does talk about the 12 gates, and the 12 foundations which i found funny, cause there are like 100 something apostles of the mormon church right? and by LDS bible i meant Joseph smiths translation. Authorized... thats funny to me too. Is fact authorized?
The number 12 repeats many times in the Bible. 12 Tribes of Israel, 12 Apostles, etc. When Judas Iscariot committed suicide, they were left with only 11 apostles. The remaining apostles met together to choose another to fill his place, and Matthias was chosen. So you could say there were 13 apostles in New Testament times. So I don't know where you're going with the number issue.
"Authorized" here means that the society that manages the King James Translation of the Bible has authorized it as their version/translation, and that it is not altered.
To answer the first question you pose, yes I have read the Bible, many times. And the Greek translation of the Jewish scriptures is titled and spelled: "Septuagint."
@mikebatie well thank you, i have read little of it i brought it up as to not let it be lead to the "as far as it is translated correctly" Translators do not set out to translate incorrectly.
The reference in 1 Corinthians 15 is referring to the resurrection. It is not dealing at all with the premortal life, nor is Paul speaking in a refutation of a belief in the premortal life. The "first Adam" is the father of humanity, by whom we receive PHYSICAL life; the "last Adam" is Christ, called a "quickening spirit" because he has life in Himself and will quicken our spirits...ie, raise us from the dead. This passage is about the resurrection.
@mikebatie Yes it is, he also lays out clearly that the physical body some first then the spiritual comes later. How is this possible with the pre-mortal life? If the "plan" were true then it should have been revised by Joseph or another "prophet" to read according to the belief thats being taught.
Read Ecclesiastes 12:7 -- The body is dust of the earth, and when man dies it goes back to the earth. But the spirit of man, that RETURNS to the God who gave it. The spirit goes back to God where it was before.
Good argument but in doesn't the Lord breathe the spirit into the ones he chooses? Ezekiel 37:5 "Thus says the Lord GOD to these bones: Behold, I will cause breath to enter you, and you shall live." It's not our choice to become alive here on earth. We were placed here for one thing, to glorify God. It was God's choice to put us here, so as he may actually show how just he really is. "As it is written, 'Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.'" Romans 9:13.
Ezekiel 37 is a prophecy, a vision to encourage the despondent Jews while they were in captivity. The bones spoken of are a metaphor for the nation of Israel. It predicts both their restoration after the captivity, and also their recovery from their present and long-continued dispersion. It is also a clear reference to the resurrection. The bones being indicative of those who had already lived and had died, not one starting out on earth for the first time.
In Romans 9:13, the love spoken of is a peculiar love; that is, the Israelites, the posterity of Jacob. And, comparatively, hated Esau - That is, the Edomites, the posterity of Esau. Scholars agree this is a reference to the nations born out of Jacob and Esau. Jacob's people were true to the covenant, while Esau's were not. Thus God loved Jacob's posterity but rejected Esau's. This isn't about an "election to grace" but of those who chose to be the covenant people and those who did not.
Furthermore, Paul is giving an analogy here: comparing the burying of the body of man in the earth, with the sowing (planting) of a seed in the earth: "It is sown a natural body [it is buried a natural, physical body]; it is raised a spiritual body..." So the comparison Paul gives is starting at death, that man's body is buried/sown in the earth and it rises in a newness of life, just like the seed springs forth anew with life; and the one who resurrects us is Jesus Christ--the "last Adam."
Mathew Henry's Bible Commentary elaborates on this issue: "The bodies of the dead, when they rise, will be fitted for the heavenly state; and there will be a variety of glories among them. Burying the dead, is like committing seed to the earth, that it may spring out of it again...[Christ] will also quicken and change the body by his Spirit. The dead in Christ shall not only rise, but shall rise thus gloriously changed."
So according to LDS doctrine, we start out as spirits (point A), those spirits enter a mortal body descended from Adam (point B), and that body when it dies is buried/sown and rises through the resurrection empowered by Jesus Christ (point C). Paul's treatment here is on going from point B to point C. He doesn't treat point A in this passage. Even the Bible says that at death "the dust returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit RETURNS to God who gave it" (Ecclesiastes 12:7, NIV)
So Ecclesiastes teaches that the dust which forms man's physical body and the spirit which inhabits that body came from two different places. The dust returns to the earth--that's where it came from. The spirit returns to God. In order for the spirit to *return* to God, it must have been with Him before. Just as you can't return mail to a place it didn't come from, you can't return the spirit to God if it wasn't with Him before.
These myths are not any more bizarre than those of Evangelicals or Catholics. Taken as metaphor, I think they have a lot of validity, psychologically. When any metphor is taken too literally, though, one can get lost in illusion. I rather like most Mormons I have met.
I see the "Pending Approval". I hope you post the message I wrote. If you do, that means that you can take criticism, if you don't (which is what I'm expecting) that means that your beliefs are so unsustained that any mere criticism makes your beliefs look like they're false and you consider that as an attack towards your beliefs. If you say that 2+2=5 I won't consider that an attack against mathematics, I'd just approve the post and think about what went wrong in the education system.
What's with the spam in my inbox? Is this the 2.0 version of the home by home preaching?
Anyway... there is no god. There's physics, chemistry and mathematics (yeah, those evil things that make your cellphone work). God is the Santa Claus that some grownups don't outgrow. It's not a coincidence that the more literate the people are, the higher the probability that they're agnostic and/or atheist (statistics all over the world say this).
And now let's see how long this post stays uncensored.
I don't send out mass messages inviting people to view this. If you could refer to the original message sender in your inbox and let me know who it is, I'll ask them to stop spamming this video to people.
"As Mormons become more educated they are more likely to be active Church participants, a trend opposite that found in most denominations." (2005 stat)
"Utah [where the religion is predominantly Latter-day Saints] was ranked first in the nation in both AP exams taken and exams passed per capita." (2007 stat)
"Utah is 50th in spending per pupil, but first in adults that graduated from high school and attended college." (2006 stat)
@futurehelp: Something to consider—In the Book of Revelation, John is shown in vision the New Jerusalem, the holy city of God, where the faithful will enter at some future time. Revelation 12:12 describes the pearly gates of this city "having names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel." THOSE WHO ENTER WILL LOOK UPON THE NAMES OF A POLYGAMOUS FAMILY. The 12 children of Jacob/Israel came through different wives he was married to at the same time.
Biblically, Christ was never some nebulous, unformed spirit element who came into existence as a preexistent spirit by the sexual intercourse of pagan gods. In nature and essence, He always existed as the eternal Second Person of the Trinity: "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever" (Hebrews 13;38).
Proof that Mormons are polygamists: They believe in consealment for eternity through marriage. If one spouse dies then it is ok to be sealed for eternity to another wife and so on. So when they die, they are sealed to more than one partner for eternity and it is acceptable. Bam Mormons are Polygamists!
So if a mainstream Christian man loses his first wife to cancer, and years later re-marries, is he a polygamist?
Since some other denominations don't believe that LDS ordinances (such as marriage sealing) are valid anyway, the marriage "wouldn't" continue beyond death.
Elder Russell M. Nelson reviews material in the Liahona with Vladimir Blinkov in Samara, Russia. Elder Nelson recounted details of the miraculous event that occurred when the Church was first established in Russia.
So why did god allow lucifer to go to the earth? If satan is the cause of pain and suffering on the earth then why doesn't god just stop him? Either he wants the suffering to continue or he doesn't have the power
@captainmaveric: "For it must needs be, that there is an aopposition in all things. If not so...righteousness could not be brought to pass, neither wickedness, neither holiness nor misery, neither good nor bad...Wherefore, the Lord God gave unto man that he should aact for himself. Wherefore, man could not bact for himself save it should be that he was centiced by the one or the other." (2 Nephi 2:11, 16 ~ The Book of Mormon).
First, does God love us as much today as He loved the people to whom He spoke in New Testament times? Second, does God have the same power today as He did then? And third, do we need Him as much today as they needed Him anciently? If the answers to those questions are yes and if God is the same yesterday, today, and forever, as the scriptures so declare (see Mormon 9:9), then there is little doubt: God does speak to man today exactly as Joseph Smith testified.
what about neanderthals? Fossil evidence proves that they lived before and possibly at the same time as modern humans yet neither the bible or the book of mormon mention them. Then there are the fossils before neanderthals such as australopithecus africanus, a afarensis, a robustus, then homo erectus, h habilis, and h floresiensis. If this video is true it leaves no room for evolution which has been proved over and over, while nothing in the book of mormon has ever been proved whatsoever.
First off I am an athiest. I have read the Book of Mormon and the bible and I have friends and family members that are mormon. What none of them can answer is a simple but very important question in my opinion: if the earth is less than 10,000 years old, what's up with the dinosaurs? I've even asked a mormon bishop this question and he wussed out and changed the subject. It obviously made him uncomfortable so I didn't persist because I'm a nice guy. Any mormons want to answer this please?
The LDS Church has no official position on the age of the earth. Matters of science are left to science, and matters of salvation are left to the Church. I have read some commentaries that say that the word "day" in the genesis account is translated elsewhere in the scriptures as "season" or 'process of time.' There are theological theories pointed toward 24-hr, 1000 year, and eon periods of creation.
I'm not Mormon, but other fundamentalist sects believe that God placed fossils in the earth, pre-made, to test one's faith. Or they believe that the devil made fossils in order to sway one's beliefs away from the true word of god.
He doesn't trick anyone. We come here to make our own choices. He isn't going to force anyone into heaven just as much as he won't force anyone into hell.
I hope to treat the concept of hell in a future video, but our view on it is that God is more merciful than many other denominations may believe. For now, look up Hades, Gehenna, and Hell on wikipedia.
I am quite aware of what hell is. I'm just saying what is the point of giving us free will if he knows so many are going to make the wrong choice and get tortured for all eternity?
@dakotadenverdexter: the LDS view of hell is different from other denominations. To us, Hell = Hades/Sheol/Gehenna, merely a waiting area for the disobedient are resurrected last, but not necessarily a place of torture. We believe hell/Hades/Gehenna will have an end at the last resurrection and all will receive some degree of glory in heaven. Only the very most wicked and evil (and at that a very very very few) will be cast into outer darkness with Lucifer and his angels for eternity.
@dakotadenverdexter: Free will is a lot like parents who know what kind of choices their children will make when they grow up and leave their household. Just because they know one child will make bad choices, they will not hold him hostage in their house and make all their choices for them. To not give one their free will is inherently wrong, even if we know that free agency will land some in a bad situation. The choice is theirs.
There is no revelation given with any clarity as to define it for us.
My personal "speculation" is that things actually happen on this planet at much faster rates than man gives credit. Our young (still snot nosed in comparison) science has not been around for 10,000 years and makes assumptions that right or wrong tend to fit as explanation. Erosion can occur at faster rates, diamonds can be created in days, etc. I think man gets it wrong more often than his errogance allows him to admit.
Mormons are NOT the chosen people. The idea of God NOT being somewhere is absurd, where isn't god? "War in Heaven" "God's plan"?! God's plan or Mormons Inc. plan to get more and more tithing and control? What would Jesus do--buy shares of Coke, and beef farms, just like the LDS Church does--tax free!
In fairness I will say Mormons make awesome tuna casseroles and scrapbooks!! (if you're into that sort of thing)
Tithing: "Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse...and prove me now herewith, saith the Lord of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it" (Malachi 3:10)
Coca-Cola: An old myth. The Church does not own shares of Coke.
Beef Farms: The Church does own beef farms: to feed the poor.
so Lucifer didnt tempt eve in the Garden according this video? the reason why we're in a holy war with satan is because he wanted to be our saviour? it would make sense if thats what it said in the holy bible, but since it doesnt i'd have to say that all of this is just speculation.
Watch "Part 3" in this video series "The Fall of Adam & Eve," where you will find the account of Lucifer tempting Eve. This video does not cover The Garden of Eden events, only our premortal life with God.
im so grateful for this plan. im grateful that im able to have agency and have a chance to be with my heavenly father again. im grateful that jesus christ loved me so much that he died for my sins and pains. he knws me better then i knw myself. the holy ghost helped me see the truth and opened my eyes to the wonderful things around.
Wait, so we had to become mortal to learn more? Does that mean God was mortal at one point? How else could he think of this good idea "Oh, my dear spirit children can't learn anymore by staying here listening to me directly, creator of all the universe and everything. I've got it, I'll make them forget and become mortal so they can learn the lessons of life. That'll do it." Oh, and it's a good thing his first spirit child was a lot better than the rest, that coulda been trouble.
Experience is a great teacher. We were sent here to learn by experience, to choose good over evil...for ourselves, and not by compulsion or under supervision in heaven. For this same reason we grow up and leave our own earthly parents' homes: we learn all we can while with them, but then we go out into the world and learn by experience on our own.
disagree, we wern't to 'choose' anything! the tree of knowledge of good & evil are fruit of the same tree or did you not know that? opposites or duality is not the way of God, only LIFE or the tree of LIFE that knows no death is the truth in all things. this world or so called life on earth is a fleeting illusion=(satan the liar)
I respect your opinion. I would disagree, that life is *not* a fleeting illusion, but instead a wonderful gift from God. Life can be what we make of it by how we serve God and our fellow brothers and sisters here on earth. In Genesis 3:22 God said, "Behold, the man has become as one of us, to know good and evil." He then put cherubim to guard the way to the tree of life so that we could not partake of that fruit and live forever in our sins. Life is a probationary state to repent,
(2 of 2) and prepare to return to God, freed from our sins through the atonement of Jesus Christ. Without this mortal life, we would all be cut off forever. Because of this life, it's a time for us to prepare to meet God and overcome the effects of the Fall of Adam and Eve. Jesus Christ was prepared from before the foundation of the world to save us from sin (by his atoning sacrifice) and death (through resurrection).
dudei thought it was just me imagination. ans philosofy that when a man dies... the spirit f that person.. will come to an other dimention.. i think that every spirit wil see maybe some sort of a portal or something... where its lights... like when people have an near deth exp.. they all say they saw "the light"... cause when come to think about it... every religion have a comperison... and THAT one thing that it all come to... is a mighty thing... they all call god... thats me religion Oo
i am mormon and people just treat me like a freak... What we believe is that when we die, we will be in the spirit world and soon after that we will be judged into a kingdom depending on our sins.
I may not be a mormon but a part of me has always believed in something before this life as well as after it. Now i not only know it's there but understand it. from one Cristian to another: thank you.
Many people have felt that there was something before this life. The vague memory of it is there, and the Holy Ghost confirms to us it is true. William Wordsworth wrote: "But trailing clouds of glory do we come from God, who is our home: Heaven lies about us in our infancy!"
Sorry for the misunderstanding of that famous quote by William Wordsworth. "Heaven lies about us in our infancy," in this instance, "lies" as in "lay," to lay down, or lay around. "Heaven lies about us in our infancy" means "heaven is all around us in our in infancy." May God's richest blessings be with you and your family.
I don't know much about the mormons so apologies for my ignorance, but I like this video. I follow the Hare Krishna way of life myself, but I can see a very close similarity between the two. I like how the video differentiates matter from spirit, the body from the soul. Its a lot more spiritual than I thought it would be, very nice =)
Check out evangelical scholar Michael S. Heiser's research on Job 38. The "sons of God" are not angels. In Hebrew Angel is Mal-ach (מלאך), the word used in Job is elohim (אלהים). In Ecclesiastes 12, it does say that God gave it (our spirit) life, but the key word is the spirit will RETURN to the God who gave it life. You can RETURN to a place you have never been to.
I would disagree with your reasoning that "return" does not mean to return from whence we came, the presence of God before this mortal life. But I respect your opinion and belief in the matter. Varous people will interpret scripture in different ways, and in the end, the Holy Ghost bears witness to me of the truth that I am a child of God, and that I lived with Him before being born on this earth, and that through His Beloved Son, Jesus Christ, I can return to live with Him once more.
There is another opinion which serious church scholars have taken seriously over the years: "We inherit our spirit from our parents." That also doesn't help your case, but it is an interesting idea nonetheless.
That said, we must interpret this verse in light of the other verses and books of the bible. That is why I hold the position I do, because it is clear that God said it ... and so I believe it (not the other way around).
Aren't we glad that God has "grafted" us (for those of us non-Jews) into the vine?
We were indeed adopted as sons (and daughters). I'm certainly happy about it.
note: All people are physical children of Adam and Eve, and so "children of God' in a physical sense. To be a spiritual "child of God" you must be adopted as His child.
In the beginning, this world was not meant to be cruel, painfull and outright evil. This is no training period. God never wanted us to live in a fallen world.
So if Mormons know all this stuff as the video claims then how is Life a fair Test? If Mormons know all the Answers to the Test of Life before they take the Test then life would not be a fair test for Mormons.
Nothing but the truth here. Love it. Thanks for posting. And if you think about it, it is very logical. That's one thing I noticed when I converted to the church.
probrojeffro 1 month ago
we are alien lol
23scale 1 month ago
I was there
baznet 3 months ago
great video,
MMJ420Gardener 6 months ago
Thank you for making this. People have been making me really mad lately because of all the lies they've been telling about Mormonism. This made me feel a lot better.
blueridgerox 7 months ago
This video is so Awesome far this is to all allways love him as he loves you my brothers and sisters
NZkahui 7 months ago
Wait wait wait wait. If a veil was placed over our eyes to forget our "premortal" life with God, then how did u Mormons find out about our premortal life in the first place? I mean, if God didn't want us to know about him or our lives before this life, how can you preach to me about it? Did God go against his own words and tell someone about it? Please advise
KB200887 7 months ago
@KB200887: The veil was meant to remove the DETAILS of our premortal life, but not our idea of or longing for our home in heaven with God. The knowledge of our premortal life with God has not been kept from us, but the details of what took place there have been taken from our memories for a time, so that here in this life, we can "walk by faith and not by sight." When God was creating the earth, the Bible records that "all the sons of God shouted for joy" (Job 38:7)
mikebatie 7 months ago
@KB200887 God wants us to know about his plan of salvation and the premortal life. This is why he has called prophets through which he can reveal the truths that we have forgotten when we passed through the veil. The words of the prophets have been recorded in scriptures such as the bible. We believe that he also calls prophets in our day. It is through these prophets that we know about the premortal life.
iN3R0i 6 months ago
@KB200887 revelatiob
xSparky117x 4 months ago
Interesting but, I don't agree with the idea that God wanted us to be more like him. No one can be equal or above God and likewise, no one can be "like" God either. God is more then any human being can comprehend and because of that, we can't ever be LIKE him....just my opinion.
MixedBeauti03 7 months ago
@MixedBeauti03: Thank you for your comment. There are some scriptures that allude to our need to become more like Him: "Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, WE SHALL BE LIKE HIM; for we shall see him as he is." (1st John 3:2), and Romans 8:17 tells us that we are "heirs of God and joint-heirs with Christ."
mikebatie 7 months ago
@MixedBeauti03: "But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are CHANGED INTO THE SAME IMAGE from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord." (2nd Corinthians 3:18) and Matthew 5:48, "Be ye therefore perfect [whole, completed], even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect." We can't ever replace or be above God; He will ever be over us as our Ruler, our God, and our Father.
mikebatie 7 months ago
@mikebatie nice reply :) i just submited my mission papers yesterday
SgtDemkheive 1 month ago
Look, I don't necessarily believe what you guys believe, but I am a Christian, and I do believe in God. However, one of the things that doesn't add up is that you guys seem to way too heavily compare God and the angels (or demons) to human nature. God and his angels (and unfortunately the demons as well) are way more advanced than us mentally, physically, and spiritually, to the extent of it being unimaginable to us. We shouldn't assume they act like or feel like we do.
SCSRoblox 7 months ago
Revealed Knowledge is indistinguishable from imagination.
DieFatorLiveThin 8 months ago
i always feel like im watching a starwars movie when i see mormon videos haha
xmasterfunk 8 months ago in playlist Atheist stuff
awesome video for those who aren't Mormon this is what we beleive. That theres a god and jesus is our savior and we can all be together again
krsiss 8 months ago
Thank you for making this video that says concretely what you believe.
mariatheknitwit 8 months ago
It's simple and direct. The truth is so plain. Good video!
echubs1299 9 months ago
i do like to hear and learn about all religions... its the way i grow
skwid12 9 months ago
Very nice video. I think is does a great job of explaining the pre-mortal life. I will use this video in sharing this gospel doctrine with my friends.
tauren2005 10 months ago
Respectfully, I don't understand how God could choose Jesus in those circumstances. It's like God wants his spirit children to fail. And what was Jesus saving them from, when apparently Lucifer hadn't rebelled yet? I agree pain and suffering can teach, but what good would that knowledge be if there was no pain and suffering in the universe anyway? What was the purpose of the council? If no council, no rebellion, therefore no pain and suffering, so all people reach godhood. Thanks for the video.
jogsingumboots 11 months ago
@jogsingumboots There you go again ... thinking. Now you see why Lucifer wanted to squelch free will and make you an automaton. Can you imagine how much of a cross it is to bear to be God and have all his little children asking questions all day long and continually insisting on ostentatious details such as "evidence" and "observation"? Maybe we should give God 2 days off ... perhaps Monday. Everybody hates Monday.
lordx0r 7 months ago
@jogsingumboots The council had to do with this life and who would be our savior. We would not be able to progress physically because we did not have a body yet and spiritually because we didn't go through the trials of this life that make us stronger and become closer to our Heavenly Father. If we aren't close to Him mentally and spiritually how could we be "like" Him.
TheMormonsrock 3 months ago
Sounds like a good bed time story, reminds me of my childhood.
Plasmon19 11 months ago
I find it telling that anyone could 'dislike' anything that simply talks about the gospel of Jesus Christ and the actual doctrine and teachings of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints nicknamed 'mormons'. Appears that 107 anti-Mormons voted 'dislike'.
AequitasVeritas7777 1 year ago
@AequitasVeritas7777 no im just anti- structured religions.... i dont believe a book ( any book ) can and should tell me how to live my life.....
kingjustin1993 9 months ago
I know it is true!
daniellobato77 1 year ago
finally a video that really is what we believe not those stupid "what mormons really believe" cartoons those are crap
driftking1987 1 year ago
This makes sense to me. And I used to be Muslim.
IMER4U2 1 year ago
John 1:12 - Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God
PleaseGimmeAName 1 year ago
Ok let me jus stop you at 1:10, If you can't rememeber being in heaven in the first place..How is it that someone ...you know what its an oxymormon ..
bkeving2 1 year ago
@bkeving2: We have revelation to prophets and recorded in scripture that we lived with God before coming to earth, and there are a few brief facts about the war in heaven recorded in Isaiah and Revelation, but the grand details we can't remember...what it was like, how it felt, what exactly we did.
mikebatie 1 year ago
1:10 That's the Andromeda galaxy!!!!
Alexanddria 1 year ago
god = love .... nuff said :)
SlimD11 1 year ago
What are Mormon's veiws on magnets?
ChewyLampShade 1 year ago
@ChewyLampShade: They can be super useful! Especially on the fridge :-)
mikebatie 1 year ago
@mikebatie lol nice
driftking1987 1 year ago
@mikebatie - Magnets follow the laws of gravity and perpetual energy. WE believe that we live on Earth, which is just a "Big Magnet." We believe in Magnets... hahahaha...
THELDSLIFE 1 year ago
1:03
if there's a veil that stunted our memories of being spirit children..then how did we remember it enough to write it down and further make a religion out of this beginning concept?
rindseylozak 1 year ago
@rindseylozak: It has been revealed to prophets and apostles and they have recorded it in scripture. In the book of Job we read of the sons of God shouting for joy when the foundations of the earth were being laid, in Ecclesiastes we read of our spirits RETURNING to the God who gave them life, and in Isaiah and Revelation we read of the war in heaven. So some events regarding premortal life are revealed in scripture, while the vast majority of our knowledge and memory of that time has faded.
mikebatie 1 year ago
Everybody is white, including God...and apparently God lives in space, despite all the clouds...right?
senatorkenator 1 year ago
@senatorkenator:
God is the color depicted by the artists. I did not specifically seek for a certain race to represent God, however, if you do a Google image search for the terms "Jesus" or "God" you will find a similar trend.
God is the ruler of the universe, therefore images of His universe ("space") are shown. Clouds are basically the artists' way of depicting the unknown. We don't know exactly what heaven looks like, thus clouds are an easy and safe choice.
mikebatie 1 year ago
@mikebatie no, god is like the easter bunny, he doesn't exist
millik1n 1 year ago
@millik1n: I respect your belief, even I believe otherwise.
mikebatie 1 year ago
"Two hands working can do more than millions clasped in prayer."
uneekalex 1 year ago
@uneekalex: I agree. Prayer only gets one so far. The real faith comes in when we get up off our knees—and go to work to assist those we pray for.
mikebatie 1 year ago
@mikebatie i say also that prayer is a form of meditation that is meant as a way to change ones mind in a dinamic and highly positive way, i think that a great deal of "answered" prayers come from this. if i pray to become more humble, or to be more insightful as to the needs of those around me it is eventualy so, in the sense that i am commiting to the concept with all my heart, not to say that there is never a god that does help me when i can not do something on my own.
benjorgensen1 1 year ago
I feel like what this just explained is very familiar. Like I might have known this story deep within all along. Yet Im caught in between being a regular Christian and this. And if i choose the wrong path, I feel like ill be damned. Its very hard to know whats right, because there can only be one way. But this explanation brought peace within, like Ive heard it before, and I have not.
Caynyne 1 year ago
Hey, I'm a follower of Jesus and I just want to encourage you that salvation does not come through following one particular church or another church, but it comes through the person of Jesus Christ, he is the only one who can save you from darkness and give you eternal life, this the Bible is clear on. I want to encourage you also, God will NEVER turn a person away who has been searching for Him, He doesn't do that to His children! I will be praying for God to direct you! Bless you
Drooblemeister 1 year ago
@Caynyne do not fear! the one thing that i have learned is that god is full of love, he is not a god of condemnation, only to those who perposfully revolk what they know to be right and do despicable things in the face of god will he dam if they are not sorrowful and repentent, i feel very strongly that god has great love and mercy for unknowing souls. we were put hear without sure knowledge of anything, why would he throw out those that are blind and stumbled in the dark.
benjorgensen1 1 year ago
I love watching this thanks for posting this up
mcv2190 1 year ago
Heavenly father did not choose Jesus plan because it was not Christ’s plan. It was the plan of the Father for Christ to be our Savior. Heavenly Father just stuck to his own plan and told Lucifer NO. Many LDS members get that part wrong. They assumed that Christ came up with the plan of “Sacrifice”, when in actuality it was the plan of the Father all along.
snuffokk 1 year ago
@snuffokk: I agree with you. Jesus did not come up with his own plan. He agreed to follow the plan of our Heavenly Father. It was Lucifer who presented a plan of his own, in opposition to God's plan.
mikebatie 1 year ago
@mikebatie Yes God said who would follow out the plan a be the savior but Lucifer wanted to but he wanted to power and glory for himself and for us not to have free agency but to only listen and obey all of God's comments kinda like robots i say
charlietuaau61 1 year ago
@mikebatie Jesus Christ really did followed our Heavenly Father's plan, we are now mortal having our free agency. It depends on us if we use that agency whether we want to go back to be like our Dear Heavenly Father as he want us to be.
jntatzkie 1 year ago
@snuffokk
That is completely false. Saying many LDS believes this is false. Even if they did does not represent the view of the Church. You must have made that up. The LDS church believes that Jesus volunteered first to be the one to come to Earth and fill the role of Savior and Redeemer that God the Father planned for to save man.
IronHorsez88 1 year ago
god bless you and your family, you will be rewarded for the life you've choosen, as for me I beleive in god but temptation is my downfall
xxxnewbreedxxx 1 year ago
@xxxnewbreedxxx: Thank you. No one is immune from temptation. What's important is that we pick ourselves back up each time we fall and keep pressing forward, striving to follow the Savior. God bless.
mikebatie 1 year ago
amazing
momoboy2010 1 year ago
comments pending approval??
dreamextreme7 1 year ago
I like god
snuffokk 1 year ago
...so realistic was their conception of pre-existence, explains Seaich, that contemporary [at the time of Christ] Jews described the very chambers (Hebrew guf, araboth) in which these souls dwelled, awaiting their turn to descend into bodies.
mikebatie 1 year ago
In talmudic times (the first centuries of the Common Era) the belief was current among Jews that mans soul was independent of his body, existing eternally in the past and in the future. Only for a short, limited time is it placed in the body of a certain human being. All the souls of the world pre-exist in heaven in a kind of spiritual reservoir.
mikebatie 1 year ago
"...to affirm that Jews in Christs time did not believe in a pre-existence is simply inaccurate."
(A Dictionary of the Bible, Hastings-Scribner)
mikebatie 1 year ago
Hey Mikebatie Have you read the Bible, Like the Greek Septuegous i might have that spelt wrong. Revelations 12:12 has nothing about the gates of heaven. Not even the regular KJV has anything in 12:12 about the gates of heaven only the "LDS" one does. Also Paul refutes the "pre-mortal" Life. He clearly says that Adam came from the earth as to be our bodies come first, then Jesus came from the heavens as our spiritual bodies come second. Then he clarifies Physical Body first, spiritual body second
blckchrysda 1 year ago
Haha, forgive my moment of dyslexia...I had the numbers backwards, that reference is Revelation 21:21(and not 12:12). KJV, NIV, NLT, ESV, ASV, ERV, WBT, YLT versions of the Holy Bible all speak of the gates of the heavenly city.
You said "only the 'LDS' one does [refer to gates]." Have you read the LDS version? There is no LDS version of the Bible. We read from the Authorized King James Version.
mikebatie 1 year ago
@mikebatie Thanks for the fast reply. My NIV does talk about the 12 gates, and the 12 foundations which i found funny, cause there are like 100 something apostles of the mormon church right? and by LDS bible i meant Joseph smiths translation. Authorized... thats funny to me too. Is fact authorized?
blckchrysda 1 year ago
The number 12 repeats many times in the Bible. 12 Tribes of Israel, 12 Apostles, etc. When Judas Iscariot committed suicide, they were left with only 11 apostles. The remaining apostles met together to choose another to fill his place, and Matthias was chosen. So you could say there were 13 apostles in New Testament times. So I don't know where you're going with the number issue.
mikebatie 1 year ago
"Authorized" here means that the society that manages the King James Translation of the Bible has authorized it as their version/translation, and that it is not altered.
mikebatie 1 year ago
To answer the first question you pose, yes I have read the Bible, many times. And the Greek translation of the Jewish scriptures is titled and spelled: "Septuagint."
mikebatie 1 year ago
@mikebatie well thank you, i have read little of it i brought it up as to not let it be lead to the "as far as it is translated correctly" Translators do not set out to translate incorrectly.
blckchrysda 1 year ago
Oh brother. I've never used that phrase on here ever.
mikebatie 1 year ago
The reference in 1 Corinthians 15 is referring to the resurrection. It is not dealing at all with the premortal life, nor is Paul speaking in a refutation of a belief in the premortal life. The "first Adam" is the father of humanity, by whom we receive PHYSICAL life; the "last Adam" is Christ, called a "quickening spirit" because he has life in Himself and will quicken our spirits...ie, raise us from the dead. This passage is about the resurrection.
mikebatie 1 year ago
@mikebatie Yes it is, he also lays out clearly that the physical body some first then the spiritual comes later. How is this possible with the pre-mortal life? If the "plan" were true then it should have been revised by Joseph or another "prophet" to read according to the belief thats being taught.
blckchrysda 1 year ago
Read Ecclesiastes 12:7 -- The body is dust of the earth, and when man dies it goes back to the earth. But the spirit of man, that RETURNS to the God who gave it. The spirit goes back to God where it was before.
mikebatie 1 year ago
Good argument but in doesn't the Lord breathe the spirit into the ones he chooses? Ezekiel 37:5 "Thus says the Lord GOD to these bones: Behold, I will cause breath to enter you, and you shall live." It's not our choice to become alive here on earth. We were placed here for one thing, to glorify God. It was God's choice to put us here, so as he may actually show how just he really is. "As it is written, 'Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.'" Romans 9:13.
tigazbitties 1 year ago
Ezekiel 37 is a prophecy, a vision to encourage the despondent Jews while they were in captivity. The bones spoken of are a metaphor for the nation of Israel. It predicts both their restoration after the captivity, and also their recovery from their present and long-continued dispersion. It is also a clear reference to the resurrection. The bones being indicative of those who had already lived and had died, not one starting out on earth for the first time.
mikebatie 1 year ago
In Romans 9:13, the love spoken of is a peculiar love; that is, the Israelites, the posterity of Jacob. And, comparatively, hated Esau - That is, the Edomites, the posterity of Esau. Scholars agree this is a reference to the nations born out of Jacob and Esau. Jacob's people were true to the covenant, while Esau's were not. Thus God loved Jacob's posterity but rejected Esau's. This isn't about an "election to grace" but of those who chose to be the covenant people and those who did not.
mikebatie 1 year ago
Furthermore, Paul is giving an analogy here: comparing the burying of the body of man in the earth, with the sowing (planting) of a seed in the earth: "It is sown a natural body [it is buried a natural, physical body]; it is raised a spiritual body..." So the comparison Paul gives is starting at death, that man's body is buried/sown in the earth and it rises in a newness of life, just like the seed springs forth anew with life; and the one who resurrects us is Jesus Christ--the "last Adam."
mikebatie 1 year ago
Mathew Henry's Bible Commentary elaborates on this issue: "The bodies of the dead, when they rise, will be fitted for the heavenly state; and there will be a variety of glories among them. Burying the dead, is like committing seed to the earth, that it may spring out of it again...[Christ] will also quicken and change the body by his Spirit. The dead in Christ shall not only rise, but shall rise thus gloriously changed."
mikebatie 1 year ago
So according to LDS doctrine, we start out as spirits (point A), those spirits enter a mortal body descended from Adam (point B), and that body when it dies is buried/sown and rises through the resurrection empowered by Jesus Christ (point C). Paul's treatment here is on going from point B to point C. He doesn't treat point A in this passage. Even the Bible says that at death "the dust returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit RETURNS to God who gave it" (Ecclesiastes 12:7, NIV)
mikebatie 1 year ago
So Ecclesiastes teaches that the dust which forms man's physical body and the spirit which inhabits that body came from two different places. The dust returns to the earth--that's where it came from. The spirit returns to God. In order for the spirit to *return* to God, it must have been with Him before. Just as you can't return mail to a place it didn't come from, you can't return the spirit to God if it wasn't with Him before.
mikebatie 1 year ago
Check out the beginning: if they're in heaven, what are they STANDING on?
kungfu2u2 1 year ago
These myths are not any more bizarre than those of Evangelicals or Catholics. Taken as metaphor, I think they have a lot of validity, psychologically. When any metphor is taken too literally, though, one can get lost in illusion. I rather like most Mormons I have met.
luvdomus 1 year ago
¿Pueden subtitular el video en español, por favor?
nelcygaleano 1 year ago
Voy a subtitular en el futuro. Gracias por su paciencia.
mikebatie 1 year ago
¡Muhas gracias a ti, espero poder ver esto con subtitulos en español, pronto!
nelcygaleano 1 year ago
This is great.
Sigmanuwife 1 year ago
Hey Mike, just wanna say what you're doing on here is GREAT. I wish to be a good missionary one day. Only 2 more years. Stay true like you do, bro.
semi801 2 years ago
{citation needed}
WEKS87 2 years ago
I see the "Pending Approval". I hope you post the message I wrote. If you do, that means that you can take criticism, if you don't (which is what I'm expecting) that means that your beliefs are so unsustained that any mere criticism makes your beliefs look like they're false and you consider that as an attack towards your beliefs. If you say that 2+2=5 I won't consider that an attack against mathematics, I'd just approve the post and think about what went wrong in the education system.
heffeque 2 years ago
What's with the spam in my inbox? Is this the 2.0 version of the home by home preaching?
Anyway... there is no god. There's physics, chemistry and mathematics (yeah, those evil things that make your cellphone work). God is the Santa Claus that some grownups don't outgrow. It's not a coincidence that the more literate the people are, the higher the probability that they're agnostic and/or atheist (statistics all over the world say this).
And now let's see how long this post stays uncensored.
heffeque 2 years ago
@heffeque
I don't send out mass messages inviting people to view this. If you could refer to the original message sender in your inbox and let me know who it is, I'll ask them to stop spamming this video to people.
mikebatie 2 years ago
@heffeque
The trend is a little different with LDS.
"As Mormons become more educated they are more likely to be active Church participants, a trend opposite that found in most denominations." (2005 stat)
"Utah [where the religion is predominantly Latter-day Saints] was ranked first in the nation in both AP exams taken and exams passed per capita." (2007 stat)
"Utah is 50th in spending per pupil, but first in adults that graduated from high school and attended college." (2006 stat)
mikebatie 2 years ago
im sorry but this "premortal" life idea does not make sense to me?? ....
teulilom 2 years ago
@teulilom
Could you elaborate?
mikebatie 2 years ago
Jesus Loves His Little Children.......(no age bracket)
createsutoo 2 years ago
Thou shall not commit adultery.
Ask a Mormon about that if they claim
to follow Christ.
futurehelp 2 years ago
@futurehelp
Elaborate please.
mikebatie 2 years ago
Many of them believe that its ok to have more than one wife at the same time.
Polygamy
Mormonism and polygamy
Polygamy (called plural marriage or the Principle within Mormonism) was a defining characteristic of early Mormonism , and continues to be ...
futurehelp 2 years ago
@futurehelp: Something to consider—In the Book of Revelation, John is shown in vision the New Jerusalem, the holy city of God, where the faithful will enter at some future time. Revelation 12:12 describes the pearly gates of this city "having names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel." THOSE WHO ENTER WILL LOOK UPON THE NAMES OF A POLYGAMOUS FAMILY. The 12 children of Jacob/Israel came through different wives he was married to at the same time.
mikebatie 2 years ago
^ That reference above should be Revelation 21:21, and NOT 12:12
mikebatie 1 year ago
Biblically, Christ was never some nebulous, unformed spirit element who came into existence as a preexistent spirit by the sexual intercourse of pagan gods. In nature and essence, He always existed as the eternal Second Person of the Trinity: "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever" (Hebrews 13;38).
This video presents false teaching.
theminimumdog 2 years ago
Proof that Mormons are polygamists: They believe in consealment for eternity through marriage. If one spouse dies then it is ok to be sealed for eternity to another wife and so on. So when they die, they are sealed to more than one partner for eternity and it is acceptable. Bam Mormons are Polygamists!
alexrad1 2 years ago
@alexrad1
So if a mainstream Christian man loses his first wife to cancer, and years later re-marries, is he a polygamist?
Since some other denominations don't believe that LDS ordinances (such as marriage sealing) are valid anyway, the marriage "wouldn't" continue beyond death.
mikebatie 2 years ago
Elder Russell M. Nelson reviews material in the Liahona with Vladimir Blinkov in Samara, Russia. Elder Nelson recounted details of the miraculous event that occurred when the Church was first established in Russia.
omiolo 2 years ago
So why did god allow lucifer to go to the earth? If satan is the cause of pain and suffering on the earth then why doesn't god just stop him? Either he wants the suffering to continue or he doesn't have the power
captainmaveric 2 years ago
@captainmaveric: "For it must needs be, that there is an aopposition in all things. If not so...righteousness could not be brought to pass, neither wickedness, neither holiness nor misery, neither good nor bad...Wherefore, the Lord God gave unto man that he should aact for himself. Wherefore, man could not bact for himself save it should be that he was centiced by the one or the other." (2 Nephi 2:11, 16 ~ The Book of Mormon).
mikebatie 2 years ago
I would have thought that Jerry Faldwell or Pat Robertson would have also volunteered a plan...........
vcomp1960 2 years ago
First, does God love us as much today as He loved the people to whom He spoke in New Testament times? Second, does God have the same power today as He did then? And third, do we need Him as much today as they needed Him anciently? If the answers to those questions are yes and if God is the same yesterday, today, and forever, as the scriptures so declare (see Mormon 9:9), then there is little doubt: God does speak to man today exactly as Joseph Smith testified.
omiolo 2 years ago
what about neanderthals? Fossil evidence proves that they lived before and possibly at the same time as modern humans yet neither the bible or the book of mormon mention them. Then there are the fossils before neanderthals such as australopithecus africanus, a afarensis, a robustus, then homo erectus, h habilis, and h floresiensis. If this video is true it leaves no room for evolution which has been proved over and over, while nothing in the book of mormon has ever been proved whatsoever.
captainmaveric 2 years ago
Very well compiled video.
I'm less active (have been for some time / most of my life).
Your work is a credit the mormon religion.
bsdanielm 2 years ago
Hello :)
hnybutrgrl 2 years ago
First off I am an athiest. I have read the Book of Mormon and the bible and I have friends and family members that are mormon. What none of them can answer is a simple but very important question in my opinion: if the earth is less than 10,000 years old, what's up with the dinosaurs? I've even asked a mormon bishop this question and he wussed out and changed the subject. It obviously made him uncomfortable so I didn't persist because I'm a nice guy. Any mormons want to answer this please?
ryanseabass 2 years ago
The LDS Church has no official position on the age of the earth. Matters of science are left to science, and matters of salvation are left to the Church. I have read some commentaries that say that the word "day" in the genesis account is translated elsewhere in the scriptures as "season" or 'process of time.' There are theological theories pointed toward 24-hr, 1000 year, and eon periods of creation.
mikebatie 2 years ago
I'm not Mormon, but other fundamentalist sects believe that God placed fossils in the earth, pre-made, to test one's faith. Or they believe that the devil made fossils in order to sway one's beliefs away from the true word of god.
barifkin31 2 years ago
But what would be the point of that? Does God just get a jolly out of tricking people so he can send them to hell?
dakotadenverdexter 2 years ago
@dakotadenverdexter
He doesn't trick anyone. We come here to make our own choices. He isn't going to force anyone into heaven just as much as he won't force anyone into hell.
I hope to treat the concept of hell in a future video, but our view on it is that God is more merciful than many other denominations may believe. For now, look up Hades, Gehenna, and Hell on wikipedia.
mikebatie 2 years ago
I am quite aware of what hell is. I'm just saying what is the point of giving us free will if he knows so many are going to make the wrong choice and get tortured for all eternity?
dakotadenverdexter 2 years ago
@dakotadenverdexter: the LDS view of hell is different from other denominations. To us, Hell = Hades/Sheol/Gehenna, merely a waiting area for the disobedient are resurrected last, but not necessarily a place of torture. We believe hell/Hades/Gehenna will have an end at the last resurrection and all will receive some degree of glory in heaven. Only the very most wicked and evil (and at that a very very very few) will be cast into outer darkness with Lucifer and his angels for eternity.
mikebatie 2 years ago
@dakotadenverdexter: Free will is a lot like parents who know what kind of choices their children will make when they grow up and leave their household. Just because they know one child will make bad choices, they will not hold him hostage in their house and make all their choices for them. To not give one their free will is inherently wrong, even if we know that free agency will land some in a bad situation. The choice is theirs.
mikebatie 2 years ago
ryanseabass,
Who claimed Earth is less than 10,000 years old?
Also keep in mind that Earth was organized (the matter was already there), it didn't just pop into existence.
AdrianLParker 2 years ago
There is no revelation given with any clarity as to define it for us.
My personal "speculation" is that things actually happen on this planet at much faster rates than man gives credit. Our young (still snot nosed in comparison) science has not been around for 10,000 years and makes assumptions that right or wrong tend to fit as explanation. Erosion can occur at faster rates, diamonds can be created in days, etc. I think man gets it wrong more often than his errogance allows him to admit.
encoresurterre 2 years ago
Great video!!! Thank you for sharing this video:)
Grandma mary
Fr3derick 2 years ago
Mormons are NOT the chosen people. The idea of God NOT being somewhere is absurd, where isn't god? "War in Heaven" "God's plan"?! God's plan or Mormons Inc. plan to get more and more tithing and control? What would Jesus do--buy shares of Coke, and beef farms, just like the LDS Church does--tax free!
In fairness I will say Mormons make awesome tuna casseroles and scrapbooks!! (if you're into that sort of thing)
pike811 2 years ago
Chosen people: Those who enter into covenants with God.
Omnipresence: We believe that God's power and influence is everywhere present in the universe.
War in heaven: "And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon" (Revelation 12:7)
God's plan: "In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began" (Titus 1:2).
mikebatie 2 years ago
Tithing: "Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse...and prove me now herewith, saith the Lord of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it" (Malachi 3:10)
Coca-Cola: An old myth. The Church does not own shares of Coke.
Beef Farms: The Church does own beef farms: to feed the poor.
Tax Free: churches are tax-free in the U.S.
Tuna casseroles: Yummy
Scrapbooks: Cool
mikebatie 2 years ago
Great video ! I want to see the Aliens in the galaxies , it's possible to be a lot of habitable planets in its . Thank you for sharing .
nutier
nutier 2 years ago
so Lucifer didnt tempt eve in the Garden according this video? the reason why we're in a holy war with satan is because he wanted to be our saviour? it would make sense if thats what it said in the holy bible, but since it doesnt i'd have to say that all of this is just speculation.
XXRevolveXX 2 years ago
Watch "Part 3" in this video series "The Fall of Adam & Eve," where you will find the account of Lucifer tempting Eve. This video does not cover The Garden of Eden events, only our premortal life with God.
mikebatie 2 years ago
im so grateful for this plan. im grateful that im able to have agency and have a chance to be with my heavenly father again. im grateful that jesus christ loved me so much that he died for my sins and pains. he knws me better then i knw myself. the holy ghost helped me see the truth and opened my eyes to the wonderful things around.
newhope01 2 years ago
YAY!
jbartz 2 years ago
Very true I love this plan that we chose I can't wait to be with my family and friends again with Jesus and our Heavenly Father :) for eternity
shibby2312 2 years ago
Do you got better idea! l mean better then god. You tell me what is god and why we have to pray. pls comment.
thx u
TianHe00 2 years ago
Wait, so we had to become mortal to learn more? Does that mean God was mortal at one point? How else could he think of this good idea "Oh, my dear spirit children can't learn anymore by staying here listening to me directly, creator of all the universe and everything. I've got it, I'll make them forget and become mortal so they can learn the lessons of life. That'll do it." Oh, and it's a good thing his first spirit child was a lot better than the rest, that coulda been trouble.
Axe336 2 years ago
Experience is a great teacher. We were sent here to learn by experience, to choose good over evil...for ourselves, and not by compulsion or under supervision in heaven. For this same reason we grow up and leave our own earthly parents' homes: we learn all we can while with them, but then we go out into the world and learn by experience on our own.
mikebatie 2 years ago
disagree, we wern't to 'choose' anything! the tree of knowledge of good & evil are fruit of the same tree or did you not know that? opposites or duality is not the way of God, only LIFE or the tree of LIFE that knows no death is the truth in all things. this world or so called life on earth is a fleeting illusion=(satan the liar)
xamehc 2 years ago
I respect your opinion. I would disagree, that life is *not* a fleeting illusion, but instead a wonderful gift from God. Life can be what we make of it by how we serve God and our fellow brothers and sisters here on earth. In Genesis 3:22 God said, "Behold, the man has become as one of us, to know good and evil." He then put cherubim to guard the way to the tree of life so that we could not partake of that fruit and live forever in our sins. Life is a probationary state to repent,
mikebatie 2 years ago
(2 of 2) and prepare to return to God, freed from our sins through the atonement of Jesus Christ. Without this mortal life, we would all be cut off forever. Because of this life, it's a time for us to prepare to meet God and overcome the effects of the Fall of Adam and Eve. Jesus Christ was prepared from before the foundation of the world to save us from sin (by his atoning sacrifice) and death (through resurrection).
mikebatie 2 years ago
This is the true plan of salvation.
god bless
TrueSaintsLDS 2 years ago
dudei thought it was just me imagination. ans philosofy that when a man dies... the spirit f that person.. will come to an other dimention.. i think that every spirit wil see maybe some sort of a portal or something... where its lights... like when people have an near deth exp.. they all say they saw "the light"... cause when come to think about it... every religion have a comperison... and THAT one thing that it all come to... is a mighty thing... they all call god... thats me religion Oo
viggy123 2 years ago
i am mormon and people just treat me like a freak... What we believe is that when we die, we will be in the spirit world and soon after that we will be judged into a kingdom depending on our sins.
FredRocks1995 2 years ago
interesting :P but however this don't prove anything and i amstill athiast and dont
b-leave
Mixtronix19 2 years ago
Sorry for the science it is not evidence !!! nothing it is evidence!!!! dear friend !! REMEMBER !!!!!!!
piergiorgiovico 2 years ago
I may not be a mormon but a part of me has always believed in something before this life as well as after it. Now i not only know it's there but understand it. from one Cristian to another: thank you.
AvatarFan0011 2 years ago
Many people have felt that there was something before this life. The vague memory of it is there, and the Holy Ghost confirms to us it is true. William Wordsworth wrote: "But trailing clouds of glory do we come from God, who is our home: Heaven lies about us in our infancy!"
mikebatie 2 years ago
"heaven lies about us in our infancy!"? that makes no sense. If heaven is where God lives then heaven cannot Lie for no sin can be there.
your following devil worshipers. mason = mormon.
balancex3 2 years ago
Sorry for the misunderstanding of that famous quote by William Wordsworth. "Heaven lies about us in our infancy," in this instance, "lies" as in "lay," to lay down, or lay around. "Heaven lies about us in our infancy" means "heaven is all around us in our in infancy." May God's richest blessings be with you and your family.
mikebatie 2 years ago
Excellent. 5 stars and I shared it! Thank you for this.
MakeoverSessions 2 years ago
I don't know much about the mormons so apologies for my ignorance, but I like this video. I follow the Hare Krishna way of life myself, but I can see a very close similarity between the two. I like how the video differentiates matter from spirit, the body from the soul. Its a lot more spiritual than I thought it would be, very nice =)
BenLoka 2 years ago
where is any of this said in the bible ?
This is the false gospel of Jesus Christ.
phatbob71 2 years ago
You wrote: "This is the false gospel of Jesus Christ."
I say to you, the Gospel of Jesus Christ is true.
mikebatie 2 years ago
PREMORTAL LIFE
Job 38:4-7 During the creation of the earth, all the sons of God shouted for joy.
Ecclesiastes 12:7 The spirit shall RETURN to the God who gave ityou cant return to something unless youve been there before.
Jeremiah 1:5 God knew Jeremiah before he was born in mortal life.
Ephesians 1:4 God chose us before the foundation of the world.
Proverbs 8:22-31 Wisdom was with the Lord and the sons of men before the world was.
mikebatie 2 years ago
You do realize Jews wrote these passages, right?
Job 38:4-7 : "sons of God" = angels.
Ecc. 12:7 : "the spirit returns to God who gave it" = God did "create" our spirit but we did not preexist. Compare this with Zechariah 12:1.
Jer. 1:5 : God foreknew. Compare with Romans 8:29, Eph. 1:5; 1:11.
Proverbs 8:22-31 : Wisdom is personified (common in ancient literature). It rejoices with God over the inhabited earth.
Just not seeing it here.
groundhog0339 2 years ago
Check out evangelical scholar Michael S. Heiser's research on Job 38. The "sons of God" are not angels. In Hebrew Angel is Mal-ach (מלאך), the word used in Job is elohim (אלהים). In Ecclesiastes 12, it does say that God gave it (our spirit) life, but the key word is the spirit will RETURN to the God who gave it life. You can RETURN to a place you have never been to.
mikebatie 2 years ago
I meant, you CAN'T return to a place you have never been to.
mikebatie 2 years ago
In Ecc. 12, it does say that the "spirit" returns to the Lord from which it came.
True, our spirits did originate from God since he gives all life. And once our lives are over, we return to Him for judgment.
This does nothing to prove pre-existence. It merely follows the logic that God created our spirit.
groundhog0339 2 years ago
I would disagree with your reasoning that "return" does not mean to return from whence we came, the presence of God before this mortal life. But I respect your opinion and belief in the matter. Varous people will interpret scripture in different ways, and in the end, the Holy Ghost bears witness to me of the truth that I am a child of God, and that I lived with Him before being born on this earth, and that through His Beloved Son, Jesus Christ, I can return to live with Him once more.
mikebatie 2 years ago
There is another opinion which serious church scholars have taken seriously over the years: "We inherit our spirit from our parents." That also doesn't help your case, but it is an interesting idea nonetheless.
That said, we must interpret this verse in light of the other verses and books of the bible. That is why I hold the position I do, because it is clear that God said it ... and so I believe it (not the other way around).
groundhog0339 2 years ago
PREMORTAL LIFE (2)
John 1:2 The Word—Jesus Christ—was in the beginning with God.
John 16:28 Jesus came forth from the Father into the worldHe was with God before his mortal life on earth.
John 17:5 Jesus lived with His Heavenly Father in glory before the world was created.
2 Timothy 1:9 Certain people were called with a holy calling before the world began.
Titus 1:2 Paul had hope for eternal life, which God promised *before* the world began.
mikebatie 2 years ago
John 1:2 : Of course Jesus was there in the beginning. Jesus is God. "God was the Word."
John 16: 28 : You are right abut this one.
John 17:5 : Also right on this one.
2 Timothy 1:9 : You are right again.
note: God foreknew those who would obey and predestined them (Rom 8:29, Eph 1:5, 1:11).
Titus 1:2 : You are correct here as well.
note: see predestination verses.
groundhog0339 2 years ago
WE ARE THE CHILDREN OF GOD
Acts 17:29 We are the offspring of God
Romans 8:16 The Spirit bears witness that we are the children of God.
Romans 8:17 We are children of God, heirs of God and joint-heirs with Christ.
Hebrews 12:9 God is the Father of our spirits.
Ephesians 4:6 There is one God who is Father of all.
Psalm 82:6 Ye are gods and all of you children of the Most High.
Deuteronomy 14:1 Ye are the children of the Lord your God.
mikebatie 2 years ago
Aren't we glad that God has "grafted" us (for those of us non-Jews) into the vine?
We were indeed adopted as sons (and daughters). I'm certainly happy about it.
note: All people are physical children of Adam and Eve, and so "children of God' in a physical sense. To be a spiritual "child of God" you must be adopted as His child.
groundhog0339 2 years ago
WE ARE THE CHILDREN OF GOD (2)
Isaiah 42:5 God gave the spirit to those that walk upon the earth.
Ecclesiastes 12:7 Our spirits will return to the God who gave it.
mikebatie 2 years ago
THE WAR IN HEAVEN
Revelation 12:7-9 War in heaven; Lucifer cast out, became known as Satan.
Isaiah 14:12-14 Lucifer says he will exalt his throne above God; he is cast out of heaven.
Luke 10:18 Jesus tells his apostles that he saw Satan fall as lightening from heaven—Jesus saw it before being born on earth.
mikebatie 2 years ago
JESUS SENT TO EARTH BY GOD THE FATHER TO DO THE WILL OF THE FATHER
John 5:23-24 Jesus says that God sent him
John 5:30 Jesus says he seeks not his own will, but the will of God who sent him.
John 5:36 The Father sent Jesus.
John 6:38 Jesus came down not to do his own will, but the will of God who sent Him.
John 6:57 The Father sent Jesus.
John 17:3 The will of Jesus is that of God who sent him.
John 17:18 God the Father sent his Son Jesus into the world.
mikebatie 2 years ago
I absolutely agree with all of these.
groundhog0339 2 years ago
In the beginning, this world was not meant to be cruel, painfull and outright evil. This is no training period. God never wanted us to live in a fallen world.
GiftoAll 2 years ago
who is for real...allah buddha hindu or jesus ..
tenzin1985 2 years ago
all
dpapaioannow 2 years ago
So if Mormons know all this stuff as the video claims then how is Life a fair Test? If Mormons know all the Answers to the Test of Life before they take the Test then life would not be a fair test for Mormons.
KidsandKarma 2 years ago