You've posted the best 6 minutes and 6 seconds of the best episode of TOS. From Scotty getting the Constellation to finally creak and groan and move under impulse power to the surprise of recharging a phaser bank to "between the two of us, we'll kill that thing!", these were certainly the best moments. From an original 52-year-old trekkie...thanks!
What I found odd. If either ship had photon torpedoes, why didn't either of them ram those down its throat? Although dramatic, it should not have been necessary to waste vehicles and lives when the armaments should have done the job. Dramatic licsensining aside, it was almost as ridiculous as Kirk not ordering a shuttle to pick up the stranded crew-sicles when the transporters were duplicating their people and components.
@KJOSCOT - Something I always wondered about too. Of course thatt would mean whoever fought it before could've tried the same tactic and that thing should've been killed right there. Maybe you had to sneak the antimatter pill down with a morsel of starship food so it wouldn't be assimilated before the detonation. :))
I Watched 2 Episodes of the Original Star Trek tonight after i got home late. i needed it to Pep Me Up.
The Original Show was Full of Enthusiasm, Hard Work by all involved an Suoer Raw Youthful Energy and Dedicated Enthusiasm by Mr. Shatner . His performance shows his Glee at being on a Main Network TV Show. He looked like he was having the Time of his life playing " Captain Kirk " . When the Next Generation Movies Started, Picard should have been Promoted of the ship & Command given to Kirk
@billyschu As they said in the story had you been paring attention its hull is impenetrable by ships Phazers or other weapon, the only way to fight it is down that things throat! No contrivance's present!
Will the Starship Constellation be Destroyed in the New Timeline ? Or will the Humanized Mr. Spock alter History by Informing the Admirals at Starfleet Command of the Upcoming Doomsday Machine Threat that will Kill Billions of inhabitants across Multiple Star Systems....
@Roadracer987654321 Good questions, I think Spock would probly alter history and tell Starfleet. I think he would also tell Kirk about his future death, and thus alter his fate too. Interesting speculations. And anything is possible in the world of science fiction.
This is one of my favorite episodes so i have to disagree about the effects changes. The original Doomsday Machine was not to scale: this one is. Its simple and functional design was menacing in the original and is more menacing in the remastered version. The DVD version is better quality than the reproduced version on youtube. Please check out the Remastered Trek and try to keep an open mind. I was reluctant to embrace this version but think that even Gene Roddenberry would have approved.
Hey, all you TV and movie types that have no life---given the actor that played DECKER, what is his "connection" to a certain Western Movie and that of DeForest Kelly? They DID NOT PLAY in the same movie together but related subject and I guess you have to include Shatner as well!
I suspect had Gene been alive to see this updated version he would have loved it. Remember he had almost no budget from the Network or the Studio so he had to make do with what they had. ST was so many yrs above ST as here is a machine that could destroy planets way before Lucas's DeathStar!
When Robert Justman, one of the original producers of the series, saw the effects he was floored. He said this is how the episodes should have looked if they had the budget or technology.
I love the Doomsday Machine either way. This clears up all the discrepancies of the original version Still numero uno. And I still remember watching this episode in Black and white.
Been watching some of the old episodes on late night TV. It seems like the graphics have been enhanced from what I remember 40 years ago. Is that true, or am I not remembering the show properly? Especially this episode seems different.
He was always on the story, but also wanted the fx to enhance the feeling of really being in space or on an alien planet, but was always held back by the low budgets he was given, budgets that wouldn't get him Forbidden Planet fx, much less the then contemporary 2001, A Space Odyssey level of fx.
Well glsingle, the people who orginally worked on the series decided to do this based on what they would have LIKED to have done if CGI was available when the series was made
I've just watched the remastered version and I have to say that the CBS team have done a stunning job; I was as moved as I was when seeing this for the first time as a 6 year old!!
Defo in my Top 5 fall-time favourites of any Trek episode........
In all seriousness (my previous post was a joke) did Kirk say, "What the hell's going on"? I do believe he did!
In "City on the Edge of Forever," his last line was, "Let's get the hell out of here." That's generally credited as being the first curse word on American TV. Now I come to find out that Star Trek did it TWICE! I watched the show as a kid during its original run, but I did not remember that.
Wouldn't it be cool if they like, cut the actors out and put them against a bridge with modern flat-screen monitors and solid state touch controls, and hallways with curved walls like the corridors in The Andromeda Strain or something more modern like that?
Then they could take the old fogey actors out too, and replace them with Chris Pine, Zachary Quinto, Karl Urban, Simon Pegg, Zoe Saldana, John Cho, and Hayden Christensen as Commodore Decker!
@racookster No, that would be the George Lucas school of filmmaking, something which should be avoided at all costs.
My only problem with the remastered episodes is that CBS Digital was barely up to the task. It's a real shame Paramount didn't continue their working relationship with Eden FX after "Enterprise" ended; at least they would have put hull plating on the ships
Many will disagree with me, but I really like seeing a good blend of new CGI effects with the acting talents of the original cast. I wish Paramount would go back and do this for all of the episodes and re-release the whole thing on DVD.
I do not like the new FX. It's wiping out the work of very dedicated people who had to somehow try to achieve miracles on a limited television budget and found some creative solutions to the challenge. It's also painfully obvious that the new FX scenes don't match up with the episodes in terms of resolution or colour and contrast balance. You can tell they were tacked-on and it's just distracting if you remember the episodes in original form and have seen them that way for years.
The new FX look terrible! It looks like a PC game from the 90s! So fake. And in this day and age we CAN do better. Look at a pixar movie, or a new video game! The ship looks 2D. But the old FX look more real and 3D! These new FX fall flat!
Yeah it's so takced-on! I feel sorry for the original FX artists.
It seems to me these "restoring" people just got lazy, and instead of restoring the FX they just re-did them. *shakes head" That is such a shame.
I agree 100%. Besides the fact that the CGI footage is an insult to the far more creative people who did a lot with a little, the CGI would have been acceptable if they'd have taken the time to try and match the color balance and tone of the original footage. Obviously, the CGI geeks had no clue as to how to actually match up to the old footage. That's the only reason I can think of for such a huge and inexcusable oversight.
@LordZontar I strongly disagree, at last they got this one episode right and it looks a hell of alot better than the original horrible cheesy model shots used in this one, now this episode fx match the excellent story. I have been waiting ages to see it look right since I was a child years ago!
I think when originally aired this episode was a social commentary on the cold war and mutually assured destruction between the U.S. and the Soviet Union. Even though we have the luxury of entertaining tie-ins to later episodes, I think that would loose the original moral context of this episode. This is a very important episode when looked at in the context of the times it was created.
This episode was more about revenge. Basically it's Moby Dick in space. Decker being Ahab. You could go to the deeper thing with the cold war commentary that Star Trek did back in the day, but on a more basic level, this one is about revenge and how it can totally consume you.
@Nonsensei436 The guilt of the loss of his crew lead him into a suicidal mission of revenge against the weapon that caused him to lose his ship and crew. The guilt lead to the Revenge, which was on the pathway to the Dark side, which still fits with my comment. Decker is Ahab, the Planet Killer is the White Whale.
@MasterTalon I disagree. Guilt inherently means that the one feeling guilt accepts responsibility and fault. Seeking revenge is not a natural response to that acceptance.
@Nonsensei436 He blames himself for the deaths of his crew, something he couldn't stop from happening. He died trying to avenge their deaths and ease his guilt at surviving when they all died.
it`s a shame we never got to see what the domsday machine was really built for, according to the novels this version was a prototype anti-borg war machine. i would have loved to see this thing take on a cube.
The doomsday machine could most certainly destroy 3 borg cubes with ease consdering that 3 borg cubes got destroyed when one of thier planets exploded because of the beingsw from fluidic space
and this one according to the novels was a basic early prototype, the second one was 10 times bigger and could fire in any direction. i`m amazed someone didn`t put a video on youtube of a brifge commander doomsday machine vs borg cubes battle already.
according to the novels yes, the ship attacks ships the size of cubes and destroys and devours the planets assimilated by the borg for fuel. the theory in the novel death before dishonour is the preservers built it.
i`m not really up on all these abbreviations what the hell does btw mean? just curious.
apok, NO, of course that was not the intention of Rodenberry or the original writers. It was a tacked on slightly hackneyed plot written by a star trek novelist. It was actually a very amateurish/fanboy story...trying to link these 2 elements of Star Trek. Having said that, I enjoyed because I'm a fanboy. LOL.
a point on that. if your interested see if u can find the star trek novel vendetta. it's basically an offshoot of this episode and a very good book. i won't say anything more than it DOES involve the borg
Yes indeed if the damaged Constellation is going to engage its impulse engines you would very well see bodies flying about. There is a reference to "Inertia dampers"...if this system was inop the acceleration would slam individuals about. The directors refusal to reshoot :Deckerds hoarse voice was a brilliant artistic move.
lol dude wat is ur problem ok i mean this aint a place to insult native australian animals u idiot so i suggest u stfu and leave that comment of urs out of this.
I said you are a felching-enthusiast. I also indicated that the LORD AND SAVIOUR, THE BABY JEEEEEEEEESUS, who died for all our sins and shit, and will return one day weilding a NINE-BLADED SWORD (that's right; NINE-BLADED!), which he will use against all sinners such as you sir.
Anyway; He doesn't care for Felching-Enthusiasts such as yourself. It's a proven fact- like other things that might be in the Bible.
lol the only thing i also like about this is on the viewscreen we also get to actualy see the constellation and the planet killer goin at each other full on unlike the old version of the eppisode.
I am rather against updating special effects--for Star Wars, say, but the old effects were so bad that they really detracted from the episode. When I'm watching a great, suspensful episode like this one I don't want to be jarred into reality by some lame-ass phaser beam. This new one, while not as good as they could have made it, is definitely easier on the brain.
I agree. The "revamping" of the Star Wars movies were totally uncalled for, they were actually distracting, and added nothing substantially to them. However, these modified scenes using computer imaging for Star Trek episodes are completely warranted, and contribute to what we see going on in the story. The starship designs were kick-ass (for the mid-1960's), but they could not show them actually doing anything. Now we can see them really "in action."
Sulu is not a fag; Geoge Takei is a fag (but he seemed lovely on I'm a Celebrity Get Me Out Of Here so who cares?- live and let live man... you are such a Herbert, dude.
I don't care if they're shaking themselves around in their chairs; I don't care if the phaser efects look cheap; I don't care about any of that. This is still cool: Real men prefer the original and if you don't you're one of those 24th century pussies who wants to talk about your problems in a focus group instead of charging phasers and threatening to blow up the planet.
LOL real men? XD dude this is exactly the original lol they just had it remasted so they could put it on DVD dangit now quit whinging already ppl like you are driving me nuts.
Feb 10, 2007, the day after my birthday. My alltime favorite star trek episode was aired. I considered it a personal b-day present from Trek itself. Sitting with my Constellation model kit and Planet Killer model in my lap, quoting nearly word for word the whole episode till the planet killer made its appearance and my eyes glazed over..and I forgot to breath XD Commercial break and i gasp, falling out of my chair
Has anyone else noticed that in the orig they're trying to pull away full astern while in the updated version they're pointed AWAY from the beast and would blast right down its gullet if they went in reverse?
on a note, what is the difference between the "madness" of attempted suicide and pure heroism? Is the Commodore being heroic in giving up "his" ship to save the billions on other planets, or is he being insane?
He was heroic before his crew died. That drove him around the bend, making his later actions the product of insane desperation and mind shattering guilt.
since vuncans dont bluff as spock actualy told Decker but if the Enteprise was sacraficed to the planet killer i think starfleet should call that heroism rather than bloody attempted suicide i mean try puttin the planet killer in a situation in TNG and see wat happens.
we all know he was a pretty good guy but as alenofbellwood said he was doing it while a wreck in which it is most of the time with those types they're actions are never truely heroic and usually end with more pointless death.
This is weird seeing this episode like this. I grew up watching the TOS episodes countless times and have come to expect the 60's era SFX. While the new CGI FX give it an updated feel, I hope the original versions are never forgotten.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that the jury is still out on updating the show like this.
The phaser effects are still bugging me - when Enterprise is firing, the beams are spreading apart, but impact on the DM's hull shows the beams converging. Same thing happens in "Journey to Babel" when Enterprise fires at the Orion ship.
Sulu puts Connie's distance from the DM at 500 miles, but it's painfully obvious that it's a LOT closer than that...if not, the Connie must be a ten-mile long starship.
This episode was one of the few of the original series that I thought WOULD benefit from redone CGI effects. The space scenes are much better now. The Planet Killer now has some size to it, making both the Enterprise, the Constellation (and especially the shuttlecraft), look tiny close to it, which was the always the original intention. This was, really, the only reason I got excited about the remastered episodes so I could see this episode in all its correct glory.
One thing about the new SFX is that for HighDef... they weren't optional. Seriously. The old effects - even the good ones - went from "dated" to "painful," and in this episode in particular, from "severely dated" to "laughable." They really did need to do this. Aod so far, I've found myself unexpectedly pleased most or all of the time.
yet it doesnt...i mean sure, the effects look better, but to me they look like some fan project and definitely NOT realistic. At least the models had a tangible quality to them, as if they were existing..these look like video games.
If we could have seen some of the effects like ENT on remastered it would ahve been different. but this? no thanks
the anti-proton beam the planet killer shot at the Enterprise deactivated its antimatter--since the warp drive and photon torpedoes use antimatter, they were rendered useless
he was probably from the Science division, assisting the damage control team.
There were times when the best-known blue shirt, Spock, assisted in ship repairs as well (he did lightning fast repairs to the Enterprise in "Wink Of An Eye").
I have seen the ORIGINAL episode before (this is my co-favorite STAR TREK episode next to THE TROUBLE WITH TRIBBLES). But this enhanced episode brings to light what that doomsday machine was really like!!!
yes, it was from "The Immunity Syndrome"--Spock found a weakness in the amoeba pulling in the Enterprise but didn't have any power to return to the ship
This guy doesn look sharp like Cap Kirk, he looks like he came out of a shelter. How spock let this drunken washed up bumb take over. "I am in command spock". Similar to what we go through on jobs today. Some folks get paid more, a Czar manager style. I'm like, hmmn, where did they get this dummy from!
Well after having his shipped having the crud knocked out of it, have his crew all die within ear shot, and be in a ship with minimum life support you expect the Commodore to have a sharp crease in his pants and a clean shave? The appearance and his demeanor are to contrast with the previous Decker you hear (cool, calm and in command) from the Constellation's log. Part of the scripting of the episode.
I have seen this episode, like many other Star Trek fans, in its entirety; however, I kept my comments on this clip alone as well made contrast to some managers attitude in today's work force. I could have elaborated more but choose not to, but diffently was not looking for a justified of the reason "why" of Decker's state of mind etc. That's on the other clips. It's just utube, a community where one can/should give their opinion/w out all this. Thumbs up or down, it really just an opinion!
I have seen this episode, like many other Star Trek fans, in its entirety; however, I kept my comments on this clip alone as well made contrast to some managers attitude in today's work force. I could have elaborated more but choose not to, but diffently was not looking for a justified of the reason "why" of Decker's state of mind etc. That's on the other clips. It's just utube, a community where one can/should give their opinion/w out all this. Thumbs up or down, it really just an opinion!
Exactly, I see your point of view since you put your comment in context. Old School Star Trek is a child of the 1960s, and must be viewed as such. It had evolved from the premise of Wagon Train to the Stars, into US Military in Space. Military mentality, rules and regulations taking precedence over critical thought. I viewed the original in the 1960's, a world far removed from today's business culture. Just an opinion.
God, I hate these new enhancements. They look really fake, like a bad japanese special effects company got ahold of the orignal content! God, I hope the originals are still available.
No T.V. drama ever used music more effectively than TOS and this episode is the best example. Sol Kaplan's score for Doomsday is the best ever in television history. The subplot conflict between Spock and Decker is as powerful as the action. William Windom's performance as Decker was the best of any guest star in TOS. That said, the CGI is a downgrade. The original rock-like, planet killer was more sinister, like the shark in Jaws. This thing is about as scary as a tube of toothpaste.
Beside The Enterprise,Constellation,Defiant,Hood,PotemkinLexington,Excalibur,In Tomorrow is Yesterday Kirk Tells Capt Christopher, There are 12 like her in the fleet,does any body know what the 5 other Starship Names are
One of the great face-offs edited out of the "enhanced" version for a few more seconds of improved FX.
Decker won't agree to Spock relieving him of command. Spock tells him what will happen. Decker: "You're bluffing". Spock: "Vulcans..don't..bluff." Decker ponders, then says wistfully, "No... No, I don't suppose they do".
Don't forget that Star Trek is, like all science fiction at its best, today's mythology and fable. It's about people and the writing.
I agree with your viewpoint on what made Trek great, but what you're not taking into account is that the scenes such as that which you're referring to were not cut for the effects. In fact, there are no "additional" effects in any of the new enhanced episodes.
The reason these scenes are missing are because of the syndication cuts. Television series today are at least three minutes shorter than they were back i
This is a great video
thejameskan 9 hours ago
You gotta see John Belushi's parody of this episode on SNL. Its perfect back to back.
theinric 2 weeks ago
dont fuck with the Enterprise
LionheartNh 2 months ago
The quality is shit. How is this 'enhanced'?
piter923 2 months ago
You've posted the best 6 minutes and 6 seconds of the best episode of TOS. From Scotty getting the Constellation to finally creak and groan and move under impulse power to the surprise of recharging a phaser bank to "between the two of us, we'll kill that thing!", these were certainly the best moments. From an original 52-year-old trekkie...thanks!
ohhhwolfy 3 months ago 2
mr spock take command of my ship thats a dirrect order on my personal authority as commander of the enterprise...best kirk line ever!
alphaomega309 6 months ago 3
What I found odd. If either ship had photon torpedoes, why didn't either of them ram those down its throat? Although dramatic, it should not have been necessary to waste vehicles and lives when the armaments should have done the job. Dramatic licsensining aside, it was almost as ridiculous as Kirk not ordering a shuttle to pick up the stranded crew-sicles when the transporters were duplicating their people and components.
KJOSCOT 8 months ago
@KJOSCOT - Something I always wondered about too. Of course thatt would mean whoever fought it before could've tried the same tactic and that thing should've been killed right there. Maybe you had to sneak the antimatter pill down with a morsel of starship food so it wouldn't be assimilated before the detonation. :))
rakkav 8 months ago
I Watched 2 Episodes of the Original Star Trek tonight after i got home late. i needed it to Pep Me Up.
The Original Show was Full of Enthusiasm, Hard Work by all involved an Suoer Raw Youthful Energy and Dedicated Enthusiasm by Mr. Shatner . His performance shows his Glee at being on a Main Network TV Show. He looked like he was having the Time of his life playing " Captain Kirk " . When the Next Generation Movies Started, Picard should have been Promoted of the ship & Command given to Kirk
Roadracer987654321 10 months ago
Why not attack the stupid thing from behind??? Geez... come at it where it can shoot you? Oh well, I'll chalk it up to advanced plot contrivance.
billyschu 1 year ago
@billyschu As they said in the story had you been paring attention its hull is impenetrable by ships Phazers or other weapon, the only way to fight it is down that things throat! No contrivance's present!
DavidHenesy 10 months ago
Will the Starship Constellation be Destroyed in the New Timeline ? Or will the Humanized Mr. Spock alter History by Informing the Admirals at Starfleet Command of the Upcoming Doomsday Machine Threat that will Kill Billions of inhabitants across Multiple Star Systems....
Roadracer987654321 1 year ago
@Roadracer987654321 Good questions, I think Spock would probly alter history and tell Starfleet. I think he would also tell Kirk about his future death, and thus alter his fate too. Interesting speculations. And anything is possible in the world of science fiction.
hulkster46a 11 months ago
Spock sounds like obama.
Galatian516 1 year ago
it looks worse than the original. way to go CGI
zubiac 1 year ago
is there a vidieo for the music at 1:21
TheArbiter138 1 year ago
NICE redo thanks.
worseto 1 year ago
This is one of my favorite episodes so i have to disagree about the effects changes. The original Doomsday Machine was not to scale: this one is. Its simple and functional design was menacing in the original and is more menacing in the remastered version. The DVD version is better quality than the reproduced version on youtube. Please check out the Remastered Trek and try to keep an open mind. I was reluctant to embrace this version but think that even Gene Roddenberry would have approved.
inshadowsunseen 1 year ago 2
I've always wondered why they never used photon torpedoes in this episode, or fired right into that thing's mouth?
GlobalDating 1 year ago
great work on this BTW... Nice job...
clipdan 1 year ago
Hey, all you TV and movie types that have no life---given the actor that played DECKER, what is his "connection" to a certain Western Movie and that of DeForest Kelly? They DID NOT PLAY in the same movie together but related subject and I guess you have to include Shatner as well!
rangeclerk 1 year ago
I suspect had Gene been alive to see this updated version he would have loved it. Remember he had almost no budget from the Network or the Studio so he had to make do with what they had. ST was so many yrs above ST as here is a machine that could destroy planets way before Lucas's DeathStar!
rangeclerk 1 year ago
Decker sounds drunk ;)
WhimsicalXay 1 year ago
When Robert Justman, one of the original producers of the series, saw the effects he was floored. He said this is how the episodes should have looked if they had the budget or technology.
4knobby7 1 year ago
I love the Doomsday Machine either way. This clears up all the discrepancies of the original version Still numero uno. And I still remember watching this episode in Black and white.
a1700zz 1 year ago
I like the cheesier un-enhanced original better. More fun seeing the "model" of the Constellation moving jaggedly!
photorams65 1 year ago
Been watching some of the old episodes on late night TV. It seems like the graphics have been enhanced from what I remember 40 years ago. Is that true, or am I not remembering the show properly? Especially this episode seems different.
Sodnal 1 year ago
My favorite episode never get tired of watching it.
I seem to remember "neutronium" being used in DS9 and Voyager too.
rmr316 1 year ago
@rmr316 Neutronium is real. Look it up on wikipedia.
raverkansascity 1 year ago
@raverkansascity Yes, neutronium is real. The way it's described in Star Trek, however, is just goofy-talk.
LordZontar 1 year ago
Roddenberry would have killed for this sh-t.
He was always on the story, but also wanted the fx to enhance the feeling of really being in space or on an alien planet, but was always held back by the low budgets he was given, budgets that wouldn't get him Forbidden Planet fx, much less the then contemporary 2001, A Space Odyssey level of fx.
ryoushii 1 year ago
CLASSIC.
fukinblowme 1 year ago
I think it was great they updated the FX it breathed new life into the old show
Wheeljack35 2 years ago
Who's decided to "enhance" Star Trek?? Don't screw with genious!!!
glsingle 2 years ago
Well glsingle, the people who orginally worked on the series decided to do this based on what they would have LIKED to have done if CGI was available when the series was made
Trailltrader 1 year ago
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I've just watched the remastered version and I have to say that the CBS team have done a stunning job; I was as moved as I was when seeing this for the first time as a 6 year old!!
Defo in my Top 5 fall-time favourites of any Trek episode........
GNeuman 2 years ago
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GNeuman 2 years ago
In all seriousness (my previous post was a joke) did Kirk say, "What the hell's going on"? I do believe he did!
In "City on the Edge of Forever," his last line was, "Let's get the hell out of here." That's generally credited as being the first curse word on American TV. Now I come to find out that Star Trek did it TWICE! I watched the show as a kid during its original run, but I did not remember that.
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racookster 2 years ago
He actually says "What the devil's going on?"
mastermanio2 1 year ago
Wouldn't it be cool if they like, cut the actors out and put them against a bridge with modern flat-screen monitors and solid state touch controls, and hallways with curved walls like the corridors in The Andromeda Strain or something more modern like that?
Then they could take the old fogey actors out too, and replace them with Chris Pine, Zachary Quinto, Karl Urban, Simon Pegg, Zoe Saldana, John Cho, and Hayden Christensen as Commodore Decker!
That would be epic.
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racookster 2 years ago
@racookster Ya...that would be "like" cool...you're an idiot.
glsingle 2 years ago
@racookster No, that would be the George Lucas school of filmmaking, something which should be avoided at all costs.
My only problem with the remastered episodes is that CBS Digital was barely up to the task. It's a real shame Paramount didn't continue their working relationship with Eden FX after "Enterprise" ended; at least they would have put hull plating on the ships
cubdukat 1 year ago
This would be Kool to see as a special done on the big screen!
I also like how Constellation seems to drift into the Doomsday Machine and I always liked when they fire up the Constellation and the engines whine.
madcapromanian 2 years ago 3
I like the CGi in this one, even though I'm an ol' skool geek for the original setries models.
They made Enterprise look like it was being pulled into the Doomsday Machine instead of how it originally was facing it inline.
madcapromanian 2 years ago
Shatner dedication in great new bio (All About Jeffrey Hunter) at amazon.
Bestmanme08 2 years ago
Very nicely done.
Many will disagree with me, but I really like seeing a good blend of new CGI effects with the acting talents of the original cast. I wish Paramount would go back and do this for all of the episodes and re-release the whole thing on DVD.
Thanks Chris!
sbroadwe 2 years ago 2
They did.
allbassband 2 years ago
Yeah, but have you seen the results? It's not very good. This is much better.
sbroadwe 2 years ago
Um, they did?
simondUK 2 years ago
Similar to the Jaws theme
Proudnewfoundlander1 2 years ago
I do not like the new FX. It's wiping out the work of very dedicated people who had to somehow try to achieve miracles on a limited television budget and found some creative solutions to the challenge. It's also painfully obvious that the new FX scenes don't match up with the episodes in terms of resolution or colour and contrast balance. You can tell they were tacked-on and it's just distracting if you remember the episodes in original form and have seen them that way for years.
LordZontar 2 years ago 3
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I totally agree with you LordZontar!
The new FX look terrible! It looks like a PC game from the 90s! So fake. And in this day and age we CAN do better. Look at a pixar movie, or a new video game! The ship looks 2D. But the old FX look more real and 3D! These new FX fall flat!
Yeah it's so takced-on! I feel sorry for the original FX artists.
It seems to me these "restoring" people just got lazy, and instead of restoring the FX they just re-did them. *shakes head" That is such a shame.
crappyvideospotter 2 years ago
Its like playing a video game with high resolution ground textures but low resolution blurry wall textures. It destroys the atmosphere.
Grykus7 2 years ago
I agree 100%. Besides the fact that the CGI footage is an insult to the far more creative people who did a lot with a little, the CGI would have been acceptable if they'd have taken the time to try and match the color balance and tone of the original footage. Obviously, the CGI geeks had no clue as to how to actually match up to the old footage. That's the only reason I can think of for such a huge and inexcusable oversight.
As it stands, It's distracting.
trilogypart3 2 years ago
@LordZontar To each his own. Nobody's forcing the new FX down your throat, the originals are still online for you to watch.
raverkansascity 1 year ago
@LordZontar I strongly disagree, at last they got this one episode right and it looks a hell of alot better than the original horrible cheesy model shots used in this one, now this episode fx match the excellent story. I have been waiting ages to see it look right since I was a child years ago!
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MissAdolphHitler1988 1 year ago 4
Everytime they air this episode sales of "Bugles" goes up 25%.LOL
doughaddix2003 2 years ago 17
@doughaddix2003 Mmmmm a big red box of salted Dooms Day devices. Spock, shields up set weapons on chomp!
TheDogWhipperShow 1 month ago
@doughaddix2003 Ha ha
Wildcard120 1 week ago
I think when originally aired this episode was a social commentary on the cold war and mutually assured destruction between the U.S. and the Soviet Union. Even though we have the luxury of entertaining tie-ins to later episodes, I think that would loose the original moral context of this episode. This is a very important episode when looked at in the context of the times it was created.
primeviper 2 years ago 2
This episode was more about revenge. Basically it's Moby Dick in space. Decker being Ahab. You could go to the deeper thing with the cold war commentary that Star Trek did back in the day, but on a more basic level, this one is about revenge and how it can totally consume you.
MasterTalon 2 years ago 15
@MasterTalon I dont think decker was consumed by revenge. I think he was consumed by guilt.
Nonsensei436 1 year ago
@Nonsensei436 The guilt of the loss of his crew lead him into a suicidal mission of revenge against the weapon that caused him to lose his ship and crew. The guilt lead to the Revenge, which was on the pathway to the Dark side, which still fits with my comment. Decker is Ahab, the Planet Killer is the White Whale.
MasterTalon 1 year ago
@MasterTalon I disagree. Guilt inherently means that the one feeling guilt accepts responsibility and fault. Seeking revenge is not a natural response to that acceptance.
Nonsensei436 1 year ago
@Nonsensei436 He blames himself for the deaths of his crew, something he couldn't stop from happening. He died trying to avenge their deaths and ease his guilt at surviving when they all died.
MasterTalon 1 year ago
this is my favorite episode the doomsday weapon would take the borg on.
grey790 2 years ago
That was done in a book
pcjohn0308 2 years ago
it`s a shame we never got to see what the domsday machine was really built for, according to the novels this version was a prototype anti-borg war machine. i would have loved to see this thing take on a cube.
thanqualhighseer 2 years ago
The doomsday machine could most certainly destroy 3 borg cubes with ease consdering that 3 borg cubes got destroyed when one of thier planets exploded because of the beingsw from fluidic space
ApokC 2 years ago
and this one according to the novels was a basic early prototype, the second one was 10 times bigger and could fire in any direction. i`m amazed someone didn`t put a video on youtube of a brifge commander doomsday machine vs borg cubes battle already.
thanqualhighseer 2 years ago
btw, who made the doomsday machine?
Was it really made to destroy Borgs?
ApokC 2 years ago
according to the novels yes, the ship attacks ships the size of cubes and destroys and devours the planets assimilated by the borg for fuel. the theory in the novel death before dishonour is the preservers built it.
i`m not really up on all these abbreviations what the hell does btw mean? just curious.
thanqualhighseer 2 years ago
btw means By The Way.
I use such an abbreviation to decrease the amount of characters you can use on a comment.
We only have a limit of 500 letters so i sometime use short words as abbreviations to decrease the limit and comment more on a single comment :p
ApokC 2 years ago
just to clarify. the novel title is vendetta. i actually just read it
nightowl2003 2 years ago
apok, NO, of course that was not the intention of Rodenberry or the original writers. It was a tacked on slightly hackneyed plot written by a star trek novelist. It was actually a very amateurish/fanboy story...trying to link these 2 elements of Star Trek. Having said that, I enjoyed because I'm a fanboy. LOL.
datacipher 2 years ago
lol wait is there such a video that actualy contains that sorta mod?
FLAME4564 2 years ago
a point on that. if your interested see if u can find the star trek novel vendetta. it's basically an offshoot of this episode and a very good book. i won't say anything more than it DOES involve the borg
nightowl2003 2 years ago
'Mad' Matt Decker..LOL one of the best eps
yutu34 2 years ago
No wonder this one WON AN EMMEY.
No alone one of THE BEST TREK's...
It's TEXTBOOK TV SCIENCE FICTION...
At it's BEST!
MaxRenn 2 years ago 3
within a week TOS season 1 will be on Blu-ray! Albeit not this episode. Though rumor has it, Seasons 2 & 3 will be on Blu-ray before the years out.
EvolutionStratus 2 years ago 2
This is my fav orig episode.
William Shatner is the man!
LS1ANDY 2 years ago 3
Yes indeed if the damaged Constellation is going to engage its impulse engines you would very well see bodies flying about. There is a reference to "Inertia dampers"...if this system was inop the acceleration would slam individuals about. The directors refusal to reshoot :Deckerds hoarse voice was a brilliant artistic move.
RichardEllisxyz 2 years ago
Looks a lot better than a giant ice cream cone. Keep watching
Wildcard120 2 years ago
the effects director actualy described it as " a windsock dipped in cement" actualy after they changed it from "giant machine bristling with weapons"
wishdawn2 2 years ago
man. that was crazy
grawful 2 years ago
hmm... man... that big assed fire belching un penetrable tube coulda wtfpwned the flying dinnerplate in seconds!
swiftarrow01 2 years ago
"We love you William Windham a.k.a. Commadore Decker!"
wlt777 2 years ago 2
At 4:15, that looks really nice! You can see how badly damaged the U.S.S. Constellation is! "Long Live The Poor Constellation!"
wlt777 2 years ago 2
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FLAME4564 2 years ago
God, did you reply to EVERY other comment on this video?
Why don't you go fuck a kangaroo? Keep you busy for half an hour.
wangpangu 2 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
lol screw you.
FLAME4564 2 years ago
the australian is fucking kangaroos and you are eating dogs and cats?! stupid.
phicabmus 2 years ago
Nice, shame I'm not Chinese; I have to change that thing on my profile. Just picked a nationality randomly.
Nice to see how quickly people like you resort to racial stereotypes anyway. Where are you from?
Would you like to meet my sister?
She love you long time;
She sucky sucky.
wanker.
wangpangu 2 years ago
lol dude wat is ur problem ok i mean this aint a place to insult native australian animals u idiot so i suggest u stfu and leave that comment of urs out of this.
FLAME4564 2 years ago
i did not mean to insult australian animals or people^^
i just replied to following comment:
wangpangu:
God, did you reply to EVERY other comment on this video?
Why don't you go fuck a kangaroo? Keep you busy for half an hour.
i thought its a chinese account...
understand my reply?
(not worth the effort -.-)
phicabmus 2 years ago
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FLAME4564 2 years ago
Yeah, fuck off, you Nazi felching-enthusiast.
Australians hate you, the Chinese hate you and, I'm sorry to say, Jesus hates you as well.
You are a first class felching-enthusiast.
wangpangu 2 years ago
what?
phicabmus 2 years ago
I said you are a felching-enthusiast. I also indicated that the LORD AND SAVIOUR, THE BABY JEEEEEEEEESUS, who died for all our sins and shit, and will return one day weilding a NINE-BLADED SWORD (that's right; NINE-BLADED!), which he will use against all sinners such as you sir.
Anyway; He doesn't care for Felching-Enthusiasts such as yourself. It's a proven fact- like other things that might be in the Bible.
NINE-BLADED though: NINE-BLADED! Remember that...
wangpangu 2 years ago
you´re cute
phicabmus 2 years ago
lol the only thing i also like about this is on the viewscreen we also get to actualy see the constellation and the planet killer goin at each other full on unlike the old version of the eppisode.
FLAME4564 3 years ago
I am rather against updating special effects--for Star Wars, say, but the old effects were so bad that they really detracted from the episode. When I'm watching a great, suspensful episode like this one I don't want to be jarred into reality by some lame-ass phaser beam. This new one, while not as good as they could have made it, is definitely easier on the brain.
grumpytosnowwhite 3 years ago
I agree. The "revamping" of the Star Wars movies were totally uncalled for, they were actually distracting, and added nothing substantially to them. However, these modified scenes using computer imaging for Star Trek episodes are completely warranted, and contribute to what we see going on in the story. The starship designs were kick-ass (for the mid-1960's), but they could not show them actually doing anything. Now we can see them really "in action."
yohannbiimu 3 years ago
very cool, I like the modification.
54spiritedwill54 3 years ago
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wangpangu 3 years ago
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Sulu is a fag, Jim Kirk isn't in the new movie... what's next?
the fucking sky is coming down damnit!
LS1ANDY 3 years ago
Sulu is not a fag; Geoge Takei is a fag (but he seemed lovely on I'm a Celebrity Get Me Out Of Here so who cares?- live and let live man... you are such a Herbert, dude.
wangpangu 3 years ago
I don't care if they're shaking themselves around in their chairs; I don't care if the phaser efects look cheap; I don't care about any of that. This is still cool: Real men prefer the original and if you don't you're one of those 24th century pussies who wants to talk about your problems in a focus group instead of charging phasers and threatening to blow up the planet.
wangpangu 3 years ago
LOL real men? XD dude this is exactly the original lol they just had it remasted so they could put it on DVD dangit now quit whinging already ppl like you are driving me nuts.
FLAME4564 3 years ago
Why? what did I say? I can't be bothered to scroll back and find out.
Why does the Doomsday Machine look like a giant fossilized turd?
wangpangu 2 years ago
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You can tell they're shaking themselves around when supposedly the ship is being hit. LOL
tall32guy 3 years ago
this was a pretty intense episode,nailbiter fer sure!
harlan1988 3 years ago 3
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The phaser effects look pretty budget to me. They have made some effort to get the original feel, but the quality just doesnt seem very good...
goatofpower 3 years ago
Feb 10, 2007, the day after my birthday. My alltime favorite star trek episode was aired. I considered it a personal b-day present from Trek itself. Sitting with my Constellation model kit and Planet Killer model in my lap, quoting nearly word for word the whole episode till the planet killer made its appearance and my eyes glazed over..and I forgot to breath XD Commercial break and i gasp, falling out of my chair
TokoGT 3 years ago
Has anyone else noticed that in the orig they're trying to pull away full astern while in the updated version they're pointed AWAY from the beast and would blast right down its gullet if they went in reverse?
reprobacious 3 years ago
It is weird how everything except the doomsday machine and the enterprise still has the 60's feel to it, it doesnt mesh well if you ask me.
mpj32587 3 years ago
on a note, what is the difference between the "madness" of attempted suicide and pure heroism? Is the Commodore being heroic in giving up "his" ship to save the billions on other planets, or is he being insane?
perhaps a matter of portrayal?
HarbingerRomanus 3 years ago
He was heroic before his crew died. That drove him around the bend, making his later actions the product of insane desperation and mind shattering guilt.
alenofbellwood 3 years ago
my point was that heroism is a matter of point of view. why couldn't his sacrifice of the enterprise(which spock called attempted suicide) be heroism?
I think Commodore Decker was a justifiably psychological wreck...not evil. that is the one weakness of this episode, in my opinion.
HarbingerRomanus 3 years ago 2
since vuncans dont bluff as spock actualy told Decker but if the Enteprise was sacraficed to the planet killer i think starfleet should call that heroism rather than bloody attempted suicide i mean try puttin the planet killer in a situation in TNG and see wat happens.
FLAME4564 2 years ago
we all know he was a pretty good guy but as alenofbellwood said he was doing it while a wreck in which it is most of the time with those types they're actions are never truely heroic and usually end with more pointless death.
Holydude 2 years ago
This is weird seeing this episode like this. I grew up watching the TOS episodes countless times and have come to expect the 60's era SFX. While the new CGI FX give it an updated feel, I hope the original versions are never forgotten.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that the jury is still out on updating the show like this.
airdriver 3 years ago
The phaser effects are still bugging me - when Enterprise is firing, the beams are spreading apart, but impact on the DM's hull shows the beams converging. Same thing happens in "Journey to Babel" when Enterprise fires at the Orion ship.
Sulu puts Connie's distance from the DM at 500 miles, but it's painfully obvious that it's a LOT closer than that...if not, the Connie must be a ten-mile long starship.
It's still my favorite episode, though.
DogPatch1149 3 years ago
This episode was one of the few of the original series that I thought WOULD benefit from redone CGI effects. The space scenes are much better now. The Planet Killer now has some size to it, making both the Enterprise, the Constellation (and especially the shuttlecraft), look tiny close to it, which was the always the original intention. This was, really, the only reason I got excited about the remastered episodes so I could see this episode in all its correct glory.
alucard624 3 years ago 2
One thing about the new SFX is that for HighDef... they weren't optional. Seriously. The old effects - even the good ones - went from "dated" to "painful," and in this episode in particular, from "severely dated" to "laughable." They really did need to do this. Aod so far, I've found myself unexpectedly pleased most or all of the time.
solarbirdy 3 years ago
yet it doesnt...i mean sure, the effects look better, but to me they look like some fan project and definitely NOT realistic. At least the models had a tangible quality to them, as if they were existing..these look like video games.
If we could have seen some of the effects like ENT on remastered it would ahve been different. but this? no thanks
HarbingerRomanus 3 years ago
I love this episode , but where is scotty on the enterprise or the other ship?
77665543 3 years ago
He is on the other ship, then he beams back to the enterprise for part 2 of this clip
syouyun 3 years ago
I love the look on Kirk's face as it goes from "Yeah! I saved my ship!" to "I forgot it would come after us now."
chriscumbag 3 years ago 3
I just love Decker's craggy voice.
Kirk saying, you earned your pay for the week.
Wish Scotty had said, a week, that brilliance was worth a month's worth of pay.
syouyun 3 years ago 2
this is one of the best episodes of trek
LiverShiver 3 years ago 3
One of my favorite episodes from TOS. Decker was a stereotypical 60's era drunk! lol
nismobeach 3 years ago
why dont they use torpedos it would be more affective
keridog1 3 years ago
the anti-proton beam the planet killer shot at the Enterprise deactivated its antimatter--since the warp drive and photon torpedoes use antimatter, they were rendered useless
(sorry I have to be a blatant trekkie!) :)
mchl25 3 years ago
Nice one
syouyun 3 years ago
I hate to admit it but the enhanced effects help a lot.
pauldelacroix 3 years ago
The Doomsday Machine reminds me of my x-wife's muff ... flames used to come out of that too.
Mel7766 3 years ago
rofl
BromidicCompound 3 years ago
ahahahahaha
prstn 3 years ago
Why was there a blueshirt assistining in engineering?
bigpopparamma 3 years ago
he was probably from the Science division, assisting the damage control team.
There were times when the best-known blue shirt, Spock, assisted in ship repairs as well (he did lightning fast repairs to the Enterprise in "Wink Of An Eye").
mchl25 3 years ago
Bones told him to go home early that day.
LS1ANDY 3 years ago
vry nice
vry nice.
BuckSnortsRush 3 years ago
Thanks for posting this ChrisJonesMods. This is one of my top 10 favorite STAR TREK Episodes.
MustafaJackson 3 years ago
The remastered space scenes make more sense.
Notice how everyone reacts when the Enterprise is hit or lurches, except Mr Spock, who apparently activated his personal inertial dampener.
Notice when the Constellation lurches underway, some equipment cleverly falls off Kirk's console table...
TypeORedPill 3 years ago 4
Dont "F" with Spock or youll find yourself out of a job Like Decker
Grandeblue 3 years ago 2
The dialogue between Kirk and Decker have not been included. Those scene really make this sequence work. Too bad they were not included.
socalcraigster 3 years ago
Decker came across as the real deal; basically an older Kirk type. He was totally dedicated to his crew. Too bad he did not have a vulcan as his 2nd.
socalcraigster 3 years ago 3
I have seen the ORIGINAL episode before (this is my co-favorite STAR TREK episode next to THE TROUBLE WITH TRIBBLES). But this enhanced episode brings to light what that doomsday machine was really like!!!
scottmyers63 3 years ago 3
Does anyone know which episode it was that Kirk said, "I want two tractor beams on that shuttle craft!" ?
fanbutton 3 years ago 2
yes, it was from "The Immunity Syndrome"--Spock found a weakness in the amoeba pulling in the Enterprise but didn't have any power to return to the ship
mchl25 3 years ago
This guy doesn look sharp like Cap Kirk, he looks like he came out of a shelter. How spock let this drunken washed up bumb take over. "I am in command spock". Similar to what we go through on jobs today. Some folks get paid more, a Czar manager style. I'm like, hmmn, where did they get this dummy from!
bella6813 3 years ago
Well after having his shipped having the crud knocked out of it, have his crew all die within ear shot, and be in a ship with minimum life support you expect the Commodore to have a sharp crease in his pants and a clean shave? The appearance and his demeanor are to contrast with the previous Decker you hear (cool, calm and in command) from the Constellation's log. Part of the scripting of the episode.
Renshen1957 3 years ago 4
I have seen this episode, like many other Star Trek fans, in its entirety; however, I kept my comments on this clip alone as well made contrast to some managers attitude in today's work force. I could have elaborated more but choose not to, but diffently was not looking for a justified of the reason "why" of Decker's state of mind etc. That's on the other clips. It's just utube, a community where one can/should give their opinion/w out all this. Thumbs up or down, it really just an opinion!
bella6813 3 years ago 5
I have seen this episode, like many other Star Trek fans, in its entirety; however, I kept my comments on this clip alone as well made contrast to some managers attitude in today's work force. I could have elaborated more but choose not to, but diffently was not looking for a justified of the reason "why" of Decker's state of mind etc. That's on the other clips. It's just utube, a community where one can/should give their opinion/w out all this. Thumbs up or down, it really just an opinion!
bella6813 3 years ago 5
Not sure why it posted twice, but once said here was my only intention
bella6813 3 years ago
Exactly, I see your point of view since you put your comment in context. Old School Star Trek is a child of the 1960s, and must be viewed as such. It had evolved from the premise of Wagon Train to the Stars, into US Military in Space. Military mentality, rules and regulations taking precedence over critical thought. I viewed the original in the 1960's, a world far removed from today's business culture. Just an opinion.
Renshen1957 3 years ago
i like the way the enterpise sounds like a lada starting on a cold winter morning
robuk1981 3 years ago
The CGI is not sweet, it looks fakey, and the planet killer's beam looks like fire. The old version is better. Respect the classics.
Dalek26 3 years ago
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FLAME4564 3 years ago
God, I hate these new enhancements. They look really fake, like a bad japanese special effects company got ahold of the orignal content! God, I hope the originals are still available.
79inches 3 years ago
They are, on dvd, but this episode is especially hard to find, I found it at Fry's Electronics.
Dalek26 3 years ago
Thanks for sharing that, cuase I want the originals too!
blckmusic2000 3 years ago
Yes, I really am collecting the originals, it's stuff to stay up late or pre-record from TV/etc. Thanks!
bella6813 3 years ago
true since movies n shows these days are actualy on DVD now instead of VHS.
FLAME4564 3 years ago
They are, on dvd, but this episode is especially hard to find, I found it at Fry's Electronics.
Dalek26 3 years ago
No T.V. drama ever used music more effectively than TOS and this episode is the best example. Sol Kaplan's score for Doomsday is the best ever in television history. The subplot conflict between Spock and Decker is as powerful as the action. William Windom's performance as Decker was the best of any guest star in TOS. That said, the CGI is a downgrade. The original rock-like, planet killer was more sinister, like the shark in Jaws. This thing is about as scary as a tube of toothpaste.
bondurango 4 years ago 7
Windom is great. But my favorite is William Marshall as Dr. Richard Daystrom of M5 multitronic computer fame. Very convincing.
ddenuci 3 years ago 2
WOW! This is the one episode that always put butterflies in my stomach, almost like I was there. The new effects only -uh- enhance it.
willbrassfield 4 years ago 4
Left out one, guys. The USS Intrepid, from "The Immunity Sydrome". The Intrepid, as I am sure you remember, was manned by Vulcans.
opusxsmoker 4 years ago
Beside The Enterprise,Constellation,Defiant,Hood,PotemkinLexington,Excalibur,In Tomorrow is Yesterday Kirk Tells Capt Christopher, There are 12 like her in the fleet,does any body know what the 5 other Starship Names are
sloopex 4 years ago
sloopex... the other 5 are:
KONGO
EXETER
YORKTOWN
FARRAGUT
REPUBLIC
There's also the Valiant, which was destroyed
(Where No Man Has Gone Before), and the class ship, the USS Constitution. The Defiant was added after Kirk made his comments in Tomorrow is Yesterday.
cleekmaker00 4 years ago
One of the great face-offs edited out of the "enhanced" version for a few more seconds of improved FX.
Decker won't agree to Spock relieving him of command. Spock tells him what will happen. Decker: "You're bluffing". Spock: "Vulcans..don't..bluff." Decker ponders, then says wistfully, "No... No, I don't suppose they do".
Don't forget that Star Trek is, like all science fiction at its best, today's mythology and fable. It's about people and the writing.
lstchrd 4 years ago
I agree with your viewpoint on what made Trek great, but what you're not taking into account is that the scenes such as that which you're referring to were not cut for the effects. In fact, there are no "additional" effects in any of the new enhanced episodes.
...to be continued...
boritom 4 years ago
The reason these scenes are missing are because of the syndication cuts. Television series today are at least three minutes shorter than they were back i