I suffer from bipolar and post traumatic and anxiety disorder and I'm so upset that someone says to me "Stop using your bipolar as an excuse! and I told this person that they are very ignorant and they turn around and call me that or they also stay "You need to stop being so negative! I don't need this person he doesn't have a clue what it's like to be in my shoes
Psychiatry was developed before 1900 in Germany to get rid of people complaining.First use of directed energy weapons can be seen in psychiatric literature from 1908, see Psychiatrie-->Zur Klinik der Narkolepsie on my homepage.After murdering oponents in ww2,Psychiatry was relaunched in´45 to persecute+silence concentration camp survivors.
As a Doctor in a German nuthouse said:
Half the inmates are mad.The other half are secret service agents on training.
I am a schizophrenic and without drugs I probably would be dead by doing something psychotic. Apparently the drug is interacting with the spirit or psyche to calm it for the patient.
You seem to also overlook that the brain IS a physical organ consisting of tissue, nerves, synaps, chemical messengers and like any organ can suffer illness.
Obviously, there is connection between thought (software if you like) and the brain (hardware) and one affects the other to a degree.
I'm pleased to report that the person I know recently went into psychiatric hospital is is now much better after being given antipsychotics. He now can form sentences (unlike before).
The only way to change tthe stigma attached to mental illness is to ramp up our national health care, to the point where people who need to be institutionalize ARE in a good place, and people who need to be treated ARE being treated.
THEN the general public wont have to worry that weird guy on the street is planning to take you home for dinner, literally.
@MrHobiecat Yeah, what we need is more forced restraint and more forced drug use. They are mentally ill after all, and we must help them.
Helping them within psychiatry means labeling them (with a 'disease' that doesn't exist). Drugging them with toxic drugs that frequently produce side effects that are symptoms of that very 'disorder'. Saying they are 'chemically imbalanced' when no such thing exists. Electroshock torturing them. Forced restraint. Chemical lobotomies.
@Ragnarok187 what you need, other than a swift kick in the pants, is to go get one of these institutionalized mental patients, one with full blown psychophrenia, and have them move in with YOU, with no meds, and no orderlies there to pull him off you when he becomes convinced you are putting evil thoughts into his mind, and you must be stopped. I would give you 2 days, and you would take him back, if you survive.
@MrHobiecat Get an institutionalized mental patient eh? You mean someone that is forcibly restrained and imprisoned against their will? That gets labeled and locked up? That gets forced psychiatric drugs?
The drugs mind you frequently CAUSE those symptoms of the diagnosis label. And as for the antipsychotics for 'psychophrenia' (I think you mean schizophrenia btw) they can cause irreversible brain damage, tardive dyskenisia, and a chemical lobotomy.
This video has good intentions, but by defintion crazy people ARE mentally ill. People with cancer do not show up at a university, armed to the teeth, and kill 42 people in ten minutes.
With the present state of our national health care, people with mental illnesses are the FIRST to end up on the streets, no job, no home, no insurance, and therefore NO MEDICAL TREATMENT.
Some people with mental illness ARE dangerous, and pretending they are only sick doesnt change that.
@MrHobiecat rofl. See that's what psychiatrists do. They label people and drug people. Those who don't accept the labels you call mentally ill for not accepting them. It would be funny if it wasn't so sad and pathetic. I thought psychiatry was supposed to be a science. There is no science behind it, just a whole heap of scared little boys that are too afraid of anyone looking into their pseudoscience because then their whole world of labeling, drugging, and torturing will be exposed.
According to the CCHR ( a scientology front group) - mental illness does not exist, yet, the rambling and scientifically void "treatment" of L Ron Hubbard can "treat" it!
@laserofjustice Mental 'illness' doesn't exist. And by that I mean it is not an 'illness' and not a 'disease'. The experiences and problems and emotional issues people experience are real yes, but they are NOT a disease. I'm a psychology student, and NOT a scientologist, and I can tell you even without the information from CCHR that these are NOT illnesses or diseases. Problems in living yes. Problems resulting from exposure to a toxic environment yes. Illness or disease no.
@Ragnarok187 As a psychology student you should know better than to make such a sweeping and ill-informed statement about such a broad and complex issue. Are you saying that schizophrenia is simply a problem of living? Really? I know several people who have this disease and it is a disease that requires treatment in the one's I know.
Similarly, dementia is not simply a "problem of living" it is a disease.
Both schizophrenia and dementia can be seen in CAT scans and MRI scans of the brain.
@laserofjustice They are not 'illnesses' and not 'diseases'. The problems people experience are real yes, but they are not diseases. Schizophrenia is a tricky one to explain with a limited word count, but even the so called 'experts' don't know what it is. You need to look into quantum physics to understand it.
As for those brain scans for schizophrenia, they fail to mention that the people they scan have often been on longterm neuroleptics or getting ECT. The brain changes are due to the drugs.
Using 2 of those 5, EVERY SINGLE PERSON can be diagnosed schizophrenic. So you wanna change your mind about calling it a disease? Because you too are 'diseased'.
@Ragnarok187 Did you know that you are clearly not studying psychology and have no knowledge about mental illness whatsoever?! Have you actually spoken to someone with schizophrenia? I know someone very well who suffers from it severly. Perhaps you'd like to use your "expert knowledge" helping him.. By the way, how do you communicate with someone who is making up his own language, hasn't washed for a week, manages to have his money taken by every junkie and alcoholic and is incapable of survival
@Ragnarok187 - So, are you saying that everyone is schizophrenic then? Your massive overgeneralisation and simple-minded viewpoint fails to look at levels of these attributes and whether someone with a mental illness/ problem is able to function. There are people who have psychotic breaks with schizophrenic sympton, who recover. There are people who have very mild and manageable schizophrenia that they cope with without medication. There are those who are disabled by it.
@laserofjustice Did I call everyone schizophrenic? Is that what I said? No. Learn to read. I said according to the DSM everyone can be classified schizophrenic. And seriously, you're telling me I have no knowledge about mental illness? You say I have a simple-minded viewpoint? lol. Now that's a laugh. Keep that notion in mind over the next couple weeks. I assure you I understand what mental illness far better than the current system.
@Ragnarok187 Ypu're sounding more and more like a $cientologist, arrogance combined with ignorance! Yes, I am saying you have poor, if any, understanding of mental illness, accept that you seem to be deluded with a vastly inflated ego and a low IQ.
@laserofjustice rofl. I understand what mental illness is far greater than you or the psychiatrists do. They call it a disease and a chemical imbalance, both of which are lies. I'm not the arrogant and ignorant one, psychiatry is.
So you call me a scientologist, which I'm not. Why is that? Because I disagree with psychiatry? Because I think non-drugs are the best way to go? In almost all cases therapy is more effective than drugs, and drugs come with a whole list of side-effects, withdrawal etc
@Ragnarok187 There you go being ignorant and arrogant, again! You cannot know better than all the psychiatrists in the world, do and psychiatry is a science and cannot, itself be ignorant. It is evolving and becoming more refined, many psychiatrists also avoid using medications unless there is no other way.
Not all mental illness is the same and the line between thought patterns, behavior and brain chemistry is interactive. CBT works well for certain things.
@laserofjustice Do any psychiatrists truly understand the psyche? No. I do.
Psychiatrists, or at least biological psychiatrists, call these genetic, biological, or brain defects or abnormalities. This is a lie. They say these are caused by a 'chemical imbalance'. This is a lie. They say these are 'real diseases'. This is a lie.
The only psychiatrists I'd trust are those that do not advocate the use of drugs. There are a few of those, and they are extremely knowledgeable, but there's not many.
@Ragnarok187 How many brains of mentally ill people have you disected after they died? What brain chemistry tests have you performed on patients? People like YOU are dangerous, you have no idea what you are talking about, and you act as if you do.
@MrHobiecat hah. Okay then, tell me just one study that shows things like depression or schizophrenia or ADHD to be physical defects in the brain. Tell me just one medical test to check for any 'chemical imbalance'. The experiences are real yes but these aren't biological or real diseases or illness.
You're acting out with a fair bit of anger. If I know what I'm talking about it means you don't. And nobody within psychiatry wants to admit their whole biological perspective is based off lies.
@Ragnarok187 A fair bit of anger that you would personally experience about your face if I knew you in person. I have known people who suffer from mental illness. I have seen the total disruption it caused in their lives, and I have seen the benefits of proper treatment with drugs. YOU have produced NO evidence that your scientology BULLSHIT has ever helped a single person. You are nothing but a GD con man selling bullshit.
@MrHobiecat If you'll note what I previously said, the experiences are real but these are not real illnesses or diseases.
I'm not a scientologist. But great misdiagnosis and labeling there. You say I've provided no evidence? I asked you for just one study to prove the biological psychiatry views. Where's your evidence these are 'real diseases', genetic, or biological, or a 'chemical imbalance'? You have no evidence, which you should if that's the viewpoint currently accepted and being pushed.
@Ragnarok187 There is little point in talking to a person like you, you need to be educated in a slightly different manner. AGAIN: I have known people who had to be institutionalized for MANY years, and when a new drug treatment came out, they were able to move out of the facilty, live on their own, and hold a JOB, be with their family, and live a somewhat normal life. They were not the same as before the illness changed their lives, but their life was GREALY IMPROVED, so STFU!
@MrHobiecat I do agree, little point talking to people like me. Because we ask questions you cannot answer. There is genetic or biological link. No 'chemical imbalance' (except AFTER drugs). These aren't 'real diseases'.
I've asked twice now and you've changed the subject. Please show JUST ONE reference for a study to prove the following:
That these are 'real diseases'.
That a 'chemical imbalance' is real.
That there is genetic or biological evidence (for say depression or schizophrenia).
@Ragnarok187 I read your home page, you are flunking out at Melbourn community college, your parents will be really proud of you when you move into their basement for the next ten years, so you can play World of Warcraft for REAL. Too bad all those stupid professors and doctors at your university arnt as smart as you, and too bad they have no idea what they are talking about. Maybe YOU should start your own university and train people to be doctors and treat the mentally ill! HAHAHHAHAHAHAA!
@MrHobiecat See, once again you change the subject. You can not give evidence to support these are 'real diseases' or a 'chemical imbalance', because there is no evidence. Yet you still blindly claim these are 'real diseases' and that only drugs can fix them. You are wrong on so many levels.
And once again there you go with misdiagnosing and labeling. I don't go to 'Melbourn community college'. I don't even live in 'Melbourn', I live on the other side of the country.
@Ragnarok187 Unfortunately, your knowledge falls short of serious illnesses like schizophrenia- in chronic cases can only be helped with medication. If you believe otherwise you cannot have any experience with schizophrenia sufferers nor with the causes of their disease.
@laserofjustice You're right, I don't have any experience with anyone labeled schizophrenic. But I can assure you, it's not what psychiatry claims it to be, and it's not a disease.
As for the treatment of so called schizophrenia, you mention chronic cases only. While I've not dealt with a 'chronic schizophrenic' I would still suggest non drugs, and especially for a 'mild or moderate' case I would suggest non-drug treatments.
The anti-psychotics produce a chemical lobotomy. Is that 'better'?
@Ragnarok187 Well, I'm pleased you are honest enough to admit you have no experience with anyone suffering from schizophrenia, I have, A LOT. Put it this way- I put one up for several months and had to get the police to remove him, it took him going to prison, being beaten up, ending up in hospital then he got diagnosed and was transfered to a mental institution where he got some of the help he needed. I know quite a few other people with it, too- it IS a disease and medication helps.
@laserofjustice I don't have experience with so called schizophrenics. But I have plenty with so called depression, mood disorders, and anxiety disorders. Almost all types of each. Can you be honest and say the same?
Do you know what schizophrenia really is? Cause I assure you, the so called professionals don't have a clue.
And treating schizophrenia with drugs helps?? So irreversible neurological damage, tardive dyskinesia, and a chemical lobotomy is helping them? Yep, sure sounds like help.
@Ragnarok187 Yes, I can be honest, and yes I have got plenty of experience with people with mood disorders such as depression and anxiety and where we may agree is that, in some cases these can be treated with a "talking therapy" such as cognitive behavioral therapy which has been proved to be very effective.
Why you are so dissmissive of all the research by professionals into schizophrenia, I don't know. Yes, the drugs DO stop the symptoms of schizophrenia and enable many to live better.
@laserofjustice Only in some cases the others can be treated with talk therapy? You do know that every single person has the capacity to feel sad, or shy, or anxious, and these are normal human emotions and feelings and behaviours. You define the exact same feeling as a 'disease' just because it stays for longer than 'normal' (please tell me what 'normal' is if you are going to label such things as 'abnormal'). How can feeling sad for a day be 'normal' but feeling sad for a week is a disease?
@laserofjustice As for schizophrenia well that's a little trickier than the others. The so called professionals don't understand it. Tell me JUST ONE study that shows schizophrenia to be a disease, or a 'chemical imbalance', or genetic, or biological. Not your top 10, JUST ONE. I've asked this question many many times and not gotten a single reference
As for the drugs 'treating' the symptoms, a lobotomy will do that to you. Check the literature. High rates of TD, brain damage & chemical lobotomy
@Ragnarok187 I agree that the medications have side effects- they are a fairly blunt tool, fortunately neuroscience is enabling better solutions to be found. When you have a proven better solution, clinically tested and peer-reviewed then you have a better arguement.
@laserofjustice The medications frequently produce, as side effects, the 'symptoms' used to diagnose those disorders. Drugs for depression are claimed to help prevent suicide yet the medications often INCREASE suicidal ideation. How does that help?
I already do have a better argument.
'Mental illness' suggests MENTAL states, that is MIND states, NOT brain states. If it were brain states they'd be called brain disease or dysfunction. Like Alzheimer's.
@Ragnarok187 Which medications produce the symptoms they are there to help- please be specific and refer to actual evidence in your assertions. Which drugs for depression? I know antidepressants have helped many people- although they are frequently over prescribed as a cheap alternative to therapy.
Mental illness is a generic term for mind/brain problems, the libe between physical and mental is not clean cut, people who have alzheimers may also get depression knowing they have the condition.
@laserofjustice There are far too many side effects for the wide variety of psychiatric drugs to list in a limited character count. Take a look at breggin dot com. Peter's been a psychiatrist longer than I've been alive (and probably you too). Look at his publications under 'scientific papers' or 'drug hazards'. Also check out Breggin's 2 books titled 'Toxic Psychiatry' and 'Medication Madness'.
If you wanna help people, and I believe you do, get as many facts as you can from more than 1 source.
@Ragnarok187 Your generalism against all psychiatric medications is not evidence, neither is siting one or two "psychiatrists" who have their own agenda. I know from personal experience that psychiatric drugs help many people suffering serious mental health problems such as schizophrenia and I have seen how awful and debillitating untreated schizophrenia is.
When you have a better alternative that passed clinical trials- then you have a point.
@laserofjustice When I speak of my dislike for psychiatrists, I refer to biopsychiatrists who claim these are 'real diseases' caused by a 'chemical imbalance'. Both of which are false. There are some psychiatrists I have great respect for, such as Jung, Szasz and Breggin.
So tell me, giving someone a chemical lobotomy is 'helping' them? That's what you call treatment? People taking antipsychotics don't lose their symptoms. They lose INTEREST in them.
@Ragnarok187 Psychiatrists are qualified doctors before they specialise- something you seem to overlook. Some mental illnesses do involve chemical imbalances- which is why highly targeted enzyme blocker or neurotranmitter stabilisers work.
Therapy is certainly helpful- a modern, evidence-based one such as CBT but you cannot give therapy to someone who thinks you're the devil or who is hearing ten voices. If you think you can cure someone with schizophrenia by talking- you're quite delusional.
@laserofjustice I do not overlook that psychiatrists have a medical degree. But do you think that means none of them will ever harm a person? Or that they can not be influenced by ghost written fabricated studies?
I personally do not agree with psychiatric drugs. That you know. If I were to agree to drugging it would be a VERY minor few, and only those who were severely catatonic or violent or 'seeing devils', so you could start therapy. That's not the case now. How many millions are drugged?
@laserofjustice They prescribe drugs for almost everything these days. The drug industries pull in HUNDREDS of BILLIONS of dollars a year. They drug everything, not just people 'seeing devils'. Shyness, sadness, anger, PMS, puberty. They label and drug practically everything.
And yes I do believe I could cure a so called 'schizophrenic' with therapy. There are people that have done it. Unless you think giving a person a chemical lobotomy is more effective and more helpful.
The reason we have this epidemic of ignorance is because psychiatry is based on mythology and philosophy. Objectively, depression does not exist, it is only a classification of symptoms. The name depression does not tell us anything about the etiology, which is heterogeneous. "The Ultramine Solution" is an amazing scientific book which looks into the real etiology of "mental" illness.
if everyone was on this medication then the world would be a better place... the best medication in a secular setting of embrace is grace... yet grace is a term that is emphasised in Truth... Truth in Love... Love that honors another as somebodies child... and they say if you have suffering or stress in life... then you are mentally ill and if mentally ill then the relapes of illness... when suffering is a human condition that is unavoidable... one love
Someone can experience depression at some point in their life, get over it, and live the rest of their life as if it never happened.
Depression is like the flu, not HIV. You don't automatically have it forever.
This is where viewing mental illness as some sort of disease can backfire and ruin lives.
Simply being diagnosed can cause police to treat you like a threat, prevent you from having certain jobs, cause people to treat you differently... even if there is nothing wrong with you.
here in virginia while going to d 19 my patient advocate ignores me, they have been rude to me while I went to see the doctor and they praise jesus when it is not my faith lately just to get on my nerves and this is the govt.
I think this is a very good point about the stigma of Mentail illness some people are actually afraid to get help because of the stigma its ashame nobody should be punished just because they have an illness
I love the part at the end where it's like "Oh yeah that was so funny, how about cancer? Oh wait is that no laughing matter?" Laughing at any illness is just wrong. My friend suffers from depression and cuts herself and I don't make a big deal out of it, I'm just there for her
i love that, especially the bit at the end - no one would ever laugh at cancer (for good reason - it's a very serious illness), while people with any kind of mental illness - even depression, though it is more widely accepted now - still get laughed at and treated badly, just for being ill. thank you for helping to get rid of stigma against mental illness.
good of you to post this.....say something about a protected group...instant hate crime......families abandon their own....i became a hermit.....there are brillent people judged and hated on just because of "the ism"......the system stands by and does nothing...good luck
Mental illness & cancer are two entirely different subjects woman. I completely agree with not talking down to either a mentally ill or cancerous person, but to give an example of why you should not talk down to a mentally ill human by giving cancer as a relation to mental illness makes no good point.
Cancer and mental illness have many things in common. By comparing the two i dont think anyone is intending to minimize cancer's severity. But they both require proper diagnosis and treatment. The main difference it that most people with cancer recieve compassion and sympathy wereas someone with mental illness is more likely to be discriminated against.
This is a two edged sword. On one hand you need to understand that mental illness is not something that should be discriminated against, and there is nothing funny about it. On the other hand you also have to understand that "mental illness" is not this horrible thing that prevents people from functioning (in most cases).
By trying to place mental illness on the same level of cancer, you sort of paint a picture of it being this horrible thing to fear, which creates stigma.
its not about creating fear but about fact. There are many cancer prevention education programs but much fewer mental illness ones. without your mental illness your physical health suffers as well, The level of functioning greatly depends on the person...someone with depression might function less than someone with bipolar disorder even though bipolar is considered to be more "severe".
Unfortunately even the professionals can't seem to separate fact from fiction.
And I seriously hope you are not considering "mental illness prevention" seriously. As mental illness is not an actual disease you can be infected with, there is no way to "prevent" anything, or even reduce risk factors. Most of it is emotional/personality based anyway, not physiological.
Also, yes everyone can respond to things differently, which is why viewing "disorders" as serious/non serious is BS
prevention where mental illness is concerned usually means awareness.know the signs and know when its time to seek professional help. getting help early can hugely help the person out in the long term.Ideally a way to reduce factors would be if people would stop abusing children and bullying others etc but thats a whole other problem and having lived through abuse and traumatic situations can increase your risk of developing a mental illness but thats something difficult to control.
A large problem I see... is too many people are being convinced they "have a problem" to begin with.
Things that happen to you due to events in your life are not mental illness... and the sooner people stop trying to say it IS mental illness, the better.
My grandparents died, my dad died, my dog died, I was in debt, and my life sucked. I thought I was "depressed" and saw someone (that's what people always said you were supposed to do) and their "HELP" nearly destroyed my life.
of course not every bad life event means someone is going to have a mental illness. there are people who dont go through overly traumatic events and yet end up having bipolar disorder or schizophrenia. your environment does influence those things and can definitely make things worse but thats not the dominant cause.
The quack I saw tried to tell me I was "suffering from depression" and wanted to put me on meds that didn't do shit to fix the problem.
You know what was wrong with me? NOTHING. I just had a lot of crap happen to me, and I had an emotional reaction... which is what people do, they react to the stuff in their lives.
The second I fired that asshole and tossed out the pills I was fine.
I made the mistake of buying into that "you need help" BS. Never again!
some people really do need help. its better to talk to a professional about it. but medications are not cures...not even close. they can help people a great deal but if you really aren't suffering from a mental illness or get diagnosed with the wrong one then simply taking meds would likely do more harm than good. its important to do your research and really understand what you're going through, if its just life stuff then thats different.
More over, because I decided to see someone, the stigma nearly ruined my life. An ex-girlfriend freaked out and called the police saying I was suicidal one night because I sent her a text saying I was "home alone, feeling cruddy" (she was a crazy bitch). And of course when the police showed up they STOLE my firearms (illegal search and seizure), and kidnapped me to be "evaluated" (I was home a couple hours later, because I was fine, surprise surprise).
Unfortunatley one of the main reasons why people who really need help dont seek it in the first place is because they are afraid of the stigma. they could lose their jobs, relationships etc... thats an unfortunate reality but it can be overcome. I've had people call the police on me as well. nothing bad happened but thats just the way it is. they had my best interests at heart, they just didn't know how to help me without making things worse.
See this is something I will not excuse. To be betrayed in such a way by people you thought you knew, especially when that betrayal was based entirely on the misconceptions of someone else... that is unforgivable.
I never knew what it was like to truly HATE someone in my life until that incident.
If she was truly concerned, she should have spoken to me on the phone, or seen me (she lived 5 minutes away)... not called police over a misinterpreted text message.
some people do overreact, and I was once really angry on a friend who "told on me"..years later I realized he played a huge role in saving my life. I guess it just depends on the situation.
The worst mistake I ever made was believing there was something wrong with me, and I did so because I had heard others preaching the importance of "seeking help" my entire life.
Instead of listening to myself I listened to the opinions and advise of others, and doing so led to an extraordinary amount of grief.
All of it is done and over with, and things are fine in my life now... but I will never forget the experience I was put through.
to most people seeking help is suppose to be a good thing...the beginning of getting their life back. I would always encourage someone to try to get help and to at the very least seek an evaluation if they have certain symptoms and believe something isn't right. it is important to ask for help...I dont just mean in the area of mental health but in life in general. doing everything on your own can lead to different kinds of problems. having said that not everyone needs the help.
What I had to deal with (the entire thing) is a prime example of how sending the wrong message can completely backfire on someone. I'll be honest, I used to be a far more open and trusting person in the past. All of that changed.
I used to be far more trusting of police as well (as I have LEOS in my family). But the way I was treated changed that as well. I also used to trust doctors more, and now I see the entire psychiatric field as pseudoscience or a scam.
in talking to people I find that trusting doctors can also depend on where you live. people who live in the U.S seem to trust them less because they have to pay for doctors services so to them it can seem like a cash cow. I live in Canada so I've never had to directly pay for a psychiatrist or for medication so I don't see them as money grabbers. I've had plenty of bad experiences with certain kinds of people but I dont hold resentment ex:I dont hate men though I have every reason to
The trust issues stem from being lied too, having my actual thoughts and feelings ignored, and being given a stigmatizing label.
The guy I saw didn't listen to me... he heard what he wanted to, and did what he wanted too, regardless of the affect it had on me and my life, and regardless of if it helped or not.
I know others who have had very similar experiences as well.
I do hate. I tried forgiving, but I can't, and I won't... and that's my decision.
I'm more of a stay mad the the individual but dont judge the group of people as a whole. That doctor may not have been a good one or a compassionate one but not all doctors are like that. my experiences with doctors have been mostly positive, I've had some bad ones though. and I guess that can be true with anything, I had a few teachers that didn't listen to me at all and just made their own assumptions and ran with them.
I tend to be the exact same way (place blame where it belongs), with this single exception. This is 1 case where the doctors themselves are going to have to earn back my respect and trust. I don't see that happening though because I do not intend for out paths to ever cross again.
I thought about going to school for psychology, but honestly I'm not sure I want anything to do with anything mental health related, even though I would be an advocate for the rights of the mentally ill
Oh yes, and let's not forget that after a number of my friends heard about what happened, they decided I was "dangerous" and "needed help"... because clearly there must be something wrong with ME, and I MUST have done something wrong for the POLICE to be involved.
So yeah, all this crap happened to me because I felt bad because bad things happened to me... and thought that meant something was "wrong" or "off".
There wasn't a damn thing wrong with me then, and there isn't now.
thats misunderstanding on their part. just because someone is being evaluated or held in the hospital etc...does not make them anymore dangerous then the next person. and people who have mental illnesses haven't done anything wrong, its not like we can control it. I didn't ask to have a disorder that changes the way I think and interferes with "normal" perceptions.
See, I now understand that just because someone is being "evaluated" doesn't really man much, but try telling that to the people I used to associate with, or the police, or the doctors.
All of them SAY "it's not your fault", but their actions and attitudes say differently. This is what I found so appalling.
If I, as a normal person can be treated like this on some whim, I can only imagine the trauma someone with a legitimate mental issue would have to contend with.
Many people with mental disorder fear the world because of the stigma they may face. and again I think it depends on where you live. where I live things are a bit more accepting and people tend to want to listen to you more instead of jumping to conclusions all the time.
And they fear for good reason... because the world (at least the world I live in) fears, hates, and detests anything that's different.
As I said, people are raised to question their own natural emotions. In the US, when you get sad or depressed, it's not a natural reaction to something bad happened... it's because you are mentally ill, you can't help it.
Anything and everything can be solved by a pill, and no personal responsibility is required on the part of anyone.
Fear can be both a useful thing and a dangerous one. I live in a more accepting multicultural society where many people are different and thats the norm. though fear of other people still exists. Everyone should take responsibility for themselves. i mean there are things that happen that are out of our control and isn't our fault but there are also things that we chose and can chose to change.
Culturally people are very different here... but even that isn't really accepted by everyone. Mental illness seems to be one of the few things that you can get away with openly discriminating against. They even passed a law here that lets the police determine of you can be detained for an evaluation. It used to be you had to get a judge to issue an order for it. Those with a mental illness do not have the same rights as others.
I agree that the rights of people with mental illness or people "suspected" of having a mental illness are being violated all over. its a huge problem and I think its something that needs to be addressed because in many cases its a violation of that persons human and civil rights.
The way it works here is that those with mental illnesses are viewed as fundamentally flawed people, incapable of making decisions for themselves or being responsible for themselves. Because of that the will of others is forcibly imposed onto them.
I had committed no crime, made no threats, done nothing wrong, no arrest, no charges made. I was simply hand cuffed at my home, and taken to a hospital against my will all because some crazy bitch miles away decided to pick up a phone.
you were handcuffed? the way its suppose to work is they take you in an ambulance(not handcuffed) and you get taken to the hospital to be evaluated by a psychiatrist. having a mental illness is not a crime and shouldn't be treated as if it were.
They came to the house, the dispatcher that called said to meet them outside. When they got there they approached from a distance, made me put my hands above my head, turn around, then came up and cuffed me and sat me on the steps and questioned me, then put me in the back of a patrol car and tool me there.
I was told I was not under arrest... not that it made me feel any better. Once I got to see a doctor I got to go home. OH and a $1000 hospital bill for the inconvenience.
And don't forget the illegal search of my home, and seizure of my stuff that I never got back.
Believe me when I say I have a very real reason to be angry and upset about what happened.
Perhaps my distrust is more a result of what the police did than anything else, but I would have never been in that situation had I never seen a doctor, never tried meds, and never told that girl about it (she was an intimate person in my life at the time).
I can see where trust becomes a factor in situations like those, but not everyone has negative experiences with psychiatrists. seeking help and treatment saves peoples lives. of course no system is perfect.
continued from my previous reply: You can't asses the severity of a mental illness in the same way you can any physical medical illness. I've lived with mental illness most of my life and yes I would say its horrible. but education programs are not meant to instill fear in people and thats something that should be addressed as well. awareness isn't the same thing as fear.
I've been depressed before. It was caused not by brain chemistry, but by my life SUCKING. You know how it went away? I grew up and acted like a man and dealt with it. It was all about perception and emotions... not chemistry.
Yeah being depressed sucks, but had I listened to other people who told me I was mentally ill, or that I had no control, I'd be taking meds right now and crying like some emo fag.
Depression is caused by either chemical imbalances or environment problem. or both. it is a clinical disorder and its not something you can get over with will power. There is a huge difference with having clinical depression and feeling depressed. feelings of depression do go away usually on their own. depression the illness doesn't work that way. That doesn't mean the person has no control, there are still things you can do to help yourself. Things that dont involve medication.
Well then apparently I've never been clinically depressed, though I can direct you to someone who treats "feelings of depression" as if it actually WAS clinical depression.
It's been my experience (and that of others I've spoken too) that this is extremely common. Doctors are constantly trying to diagnose and medicate those who need neither.
The screening process for an official diagnosis varies on the doctor you see. for starters people should always see a mental health doctor like a psychiatrist vs seeing a family doctor as they dont have the training necessary to diagnose. but either way I think its important for the person to tell the doctor what they think and feel and not simply accept pills right away without having a clear understanding of what your taking them for. misdiagnosing is a problem.
This I will agree with. Do not simply accept a diagnosis and medication. Unfortunately most people are somewhat conditioned to simply accept the word of a doctor without question. I know I did, which was a huge mistake on my part, as it led to a chain of events that I could have done without.
But given my own experiences, it makes me question the legitimacy of many of these diagnoses.
I see no one, take no meds, and am in no way depressed. Seems the doctor I saw was wrong.
Depression and anxiety are the two easiest things to diagnose because everyone feels anxiety and feels depressed. its a normal part of life, and yes there are some doctors that will simply try to give someone medication or tell them they have depression etc... without properly thinking everything through. It is my belief that if someone is ill enough to be taking medication they should first go to therapy. Therapy to me is more helpful than medication alone.
Here it isn't treated as normal however. Here it's treated as a disorder. I now understand that is IS normal, but most do not.
I'd like to say this doesn't happen a lot, but again, I keep hearing about it happening to a lot of people. The fact that pharmaceutical companies have commercials now telling everyone they need this pill or that pill has only made it worse.
It's like there is a war on unhappiness. EVERYONE needs to be happy, and if you aren't, you are mentally ill.
the feelings of depression and anxiety are normal. it is impossible to get rid of anxiety because it is a biochemical response that every human being has. abnormal anxiety or anxiety that causes severe distress in a persons life is different. thats where anxiety disorders occur. but the majority of people dont have those kinds of disorders.
It does happen way more often than it should. Depression the illness is not just about being unhappy...its much more complicated then that.
Unfortunately, the fact I was misdiagnosed, and that I am actually fine is of little comfort to me now, as the damage has already been done.
There are people in this world that view me as someone who "suffers a mental illness". That may not actually be the case, but I've found that perceptions tend to matter more to people than actual fact.
Remember how I had said the police had taken my firearms when they responded to the call by that girl? (continued...)
That's a usual argument, and some of my former friends even tried to feed me that line before. The way I live my life, how I act, the things I say, all prove I'm just like anyone else... but I bet you that a few of those people I knew would still try to say I was in denial. That right there speaks volumes to the stigma associated with this stuff. That despite all evidence to the contrary... they still think I'm some sort of mental defective.
well there are people who are in severe denial when actually they do have a problem thats affecting their life but they just can't see it. or they aren't aware of reality enough to be able to see it. but those are some cases and people shouldn't judge others based on a bunch of what ifs.
And for a while I even asked myself if I WAS in denial. The therapist pretty much confirmed I wasn't. If anything, I learned to start trusting myself more, and stop second-guessing myself like I was before (which is what led me to seeing someone in the first place).
Well, I never did get those firearms back. The police tried to claim I could not legally own them (supposedly because of the diagnosis), even though I could. In my state you are required to sign a waiver granting access to mental health records as part of the background check process for purchase.
Well, I had no problem replacing what was taken from me, because low and behold, I am not actually disqualified.
But do you see how a misdiagnosis can cause serious issues?
Well I don't know anything about firearms of the laws associated with them, I live in Canada and I don't like guns so to me not someone not having guns is much better than someone having them. regardless of background. lol but I know you guys have your laws and rights to have firearms and the law is the law and should be upheld. it certainly can cause problems, which is unfortunate because theres really nothing people should be afraid of if you're medically cleared.
To be honest I know that the reason they would not give them back, and it has nothing to do with mental health. The state I live in honestly does not respect the rights of it's residents. People here are essentially seen as taxable assets and nothing more. Those in power would like nothing more than to disarm everyone, because it makes dictating our lives that much easier.
I would rather die defending my rights and the rights of others than give up those rights.
I have never been able to understand why some people are so defensive of their right to own guns... I completely understand about wanting to fight for your rights to freedoms that your entitled to but guns are so different. Maybe its just the culture/society that we live in is different and most people here see the whole firearms things differently. Why would you need a gun unless you were going to shoot someone/something? I'm not trying to be rude by the way I'm genuinely curious.
Honestly? It's likely the only thing keeping our elected officials from doing whatever they want to us. The threat of a possible revolution can be quite a deterrent from tyranny. Also, they make for great defensive weapons.
Regardless of if you are a man, woman, or child, it gives you an equal chance of defending against an attacker... whoever that may be.
The only people who I've ever talked to/meet you think about it that way are Americans. O_o I mean not many people in our society are thinking about revolutions or such aggressive defense. Corruption can be found everywhere but I dont see how owing guns will help keep politicians and other officials from turning on the people so to speak.Again I know that the differences in perspectives here is likely influenced by culture and geography. Thanks for explaining your point of view!
You have to remember this country is a product of revolution. People have always come here to escape oppression and persecution. Things really took a radical turn somewhere in the 20th century though, and now it seems like this place is/has become the oppressive place everyone was trying to get away from. That upsets a lot of people.
Threat of force makes people think before they act. However that threat needs something to back it up.
I even have copies of letters from the police in which they stated different reasons for why they would not give them back. First they gave one reason, to which my attorney replied, then they changed the reason to something else. I was going to go to court over it, but the total expense would have been in excess of the value of what was taken, so perusing it further would have been as costly, if not more so, then simply replacing what was taken. So that's what I did.
$3000 just to get started... then $400/hr for however long it takes. So yeah, really expensive. And of course it would all be coming out of my pocket.
And look at the commercials drug companies put out about things like depression and such. Look at the BS doctors spout. Look how police (who are supposed to be trained) treat people who have "mental disorders"...
Apparently the way people are being made "aware" has resulted in stigmatization, marginalization, mistreatment, fear, rejection, betrayal, dishonesty, etc.
Trying to educate people is fine, but sending the wrong message does more harm than good.
I honestly dont think police get enough training for that...and most people with mental disorders aren't violent anyway. there is a difference between positive awareness and negative...I think many portrails in the media are inaccurate when talking about people with mental health problems. Hopefully that will change.
I can tell you, first hand, that they do not. There IS training for it, but it's a joke. You are automatically treated like a threat or a danger to yourself or others by default. They make assumptions that do not apply, they ignore your rights, disrespect you, lie, etc.
At least I can agree with you about portraits being negative. As I said, I lost friends and was treated like crap by authorities because of the IDEA of "mental illness", not due to any action on my part.
I've had problems with my relationships and such too. but to me being in therapy and treatment is a necessity so if people in my life have a problem with it then thats their problem not mine. I'm doing everything I can to take care of myself but stigma is still something I have to worry about and it makes me angry to see how others are treated and automatically judged.
Therapy (psychology) is something I do believe in. In fact I did see a talk therapist after what happened to me, and I can honestly say that it did a lot to help me work out a lot of the anger, resentment, betrayal, etc that I felt. The ability to just speak my mind about it and not be judged was wonderful.
My view is that psychology is of far greater benefit than psychiatry will or can ever be. Psychiatry tries to treat symptoms (badly I might add). Psychology treats the cause.
Psychiatry and psychology can and do work hand in hand. like I'll see my psychologist for therapy and still see my psychiatrist even though I'm not on meds right now. But I still see her to check in on how I'm doing and such and if I have questions about my diagnosis then I ask her and we talk about it etc... I much prefer therapy because it is more freeing and they teach you different skills to cope with situations that in the past would set me off.
Unfortunately I have a very bias opinion of the psychiatry field due to what I was put through. It's left a very sour taste in my mouth. That coupled with horror stories from other individuals have pretty much made up my mind on the subject.
Yes I understand it does help some people... but it seems that for every one person it helps, it ends up hurting many many more... and I'm one of those who was hurt.
I think the same can be said about a lot of things. The justice system for example does a huge service for the general public. and on the other hand it makes mistakes and can mess up lives. same with some laws. and same goes for other medical fields. human error is a factor in pretty much everything. unfortunately it has negative effects for some people.
And that right there is the issue. There is no test for finding out if there is something actually wrong with you. It's all based on some guys opinion, which is then based on DSM IV, which is of course just based on other opinions.
Unfortunately in the case of "mental illness" some guys opinion can literally destroy your life. It can prevent you from having certain jobs, it can cause you to lose friends, have your rights ignored, and demote you to a second class citizen.
Mental illness is based on fact not opinion. the diagnosis process is actually more complicated then having a simple 5 minute conversation with a doc in his office. or at least any good doctor will go through all the proper procedure to make sure they got it right.diagnosis has a great deal to do with what the patient tells the doctor if someone is having hallucinations then obviously the doctor will explore that further but they wont know about it unless the person talks about it
In my experience it's based on opinion, & in my case it really was a 5 minute conversation (well, 15).
The guy I saw was not a good doctor, and should not have made the diagnosis he did.
I made the mistake of being honest without thinking about how it would be turned on me. He asked if I had thoughts about suicide. Well of course I had. Everyone has had a time where they though "God I wish I was dead" and I think he mistook that for something else. He didn't try to clarify either
Every situation in different, and sometimes seeking a second opinion would help. Well thinking "I wish I was dead" and actually being suicidal and serious about it are two very different things. its never considered normal to be suicidal. but thoughts about dying that can come and go when someone is going through a rough patch in their life is not at all uncommon. A good doctor would have asked you several follow up questions.
I'm aware of the difference, so are my family, GF, a few friends, etc... but apparently this doctor and some other ex associates did not understand there was a difference... but they should have.
I'd like to think that the doctor I saw was just a moron, and that this wasn't normal... but again, I've heard of very similar things happening to other people... even from someone I know personally.
Then again when I did that eval at the hospital, none of that bad stuff happened *shrug*
@dheny28 I've been discriminated against my whole life in everything, and I don't care. When people want me to stand up for them, I laugh. I don't think humans have rights. I see your little game.
I've been discriminated against for a variety of things to...I don't see how that would make someone see that humans dont have rights. of course we do. or at least we should.
@dheny28 it never ends. If you look at popular culture like Placebo (I'm a fake who doesn't please), Delerium (i -- I got your fucking game), wives r us, Aria. Beauty doesn't last, and if it does in the lower, it's a fucking curse. Yeah, I'm of the goddamn hand because you programmed me to be a slave w/o definitions. When I crack that whip everyone is gonna trip just like circus. I CAN'T TAKE IT!
@returnoftheramble3 I'm not really sure I understood your entire comment, but thats okay. ^_^ I believe things can get better and do change. its complicated though...
@dheny28 schizophrenia is the release of the fucking ego. It all goes into the front and burns out then you're stuck with the back. Our fucking society is making us like a factory. All you have to do is stop desire and wait for repair, bc some of us are denied ourselves. If I have to do all that shit, I want my personality to be matched with my ability as a hobby, but never! I already said I'd work for free. I have no choice; I have been conquered. I cannot build fast enough. I have failed.
society isn't at fault for everything. Eventually the individual has to take responsibility for the things they can control. As for the things that are out of our control...asking for help can make things better.
They don't even respect me enough to shun me normally for things. They're sneaky--but not. Let me on the fucking news. If Putin didn't want the annoyance, he shouldn't have used me -- same with them. I just want attention. Are you joking? And then what'll happen?...
Maybe your load is a brick short of a full load: she wasn 't comparing the 2 : she was making a point : you wouldn't laugh at cancer/ so why should you laugh at mental illness? duh
I have been diagnose with major depressive disorder. I look normal but the people around me don't understand what I go through. They judge and think that I want to be like this. I get tired of people judging mentally ill people.
Great points Cliffordbeers. It strikes all races, income levels, nationalities and both genders. Individuals who suffer from a type of mental illness can be successfully treated (not cured). However, secondary to the stigma, many often do not seek help. They suffer in silence and try to mask the symptoms. I like your username -- Clifford Beers was phenomenal, from the little that I know about him.
BabkinsGoat it seems like you've missed the point of the video, which is that mental illness can strike anyone and is indiscriminate in who it targets. when you say "issues as to why you turned out that way" it seems as though you think people are able to steer clear of being stricken with mental illness. this is simply not the case. like homosexuality which you reference, mental illness is not a chosen path, nor is it necessarily caused by one's environment.
@cliffordbeers I have no idea why this happened... XD Line them up and saw what happened to each, individual one. Half the time, all I need is a picture.
@BabkinsGoat as a mentally disordered person myself, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that yes, fear of mental disorders is natural human instinct. but that doesn't mean society should stop there. acceptance always requires courage, whether the person has a mental disorder or not. I do not expect people to be undisturbed by my disturbing illness; but I expect them to treat me like a human being with the power to overcome, who isn't as different from them as it might at first appear.
Once I did a similar exercise with a group to raise awareness of homophobia - we listed terms, then imagined ourselves in a romantic moment with our sweeties. Now open your eyes - it was very sobering to go from visions of cuddles and candle lit dinners to see COLON CRUISER in your face.
Would you object to another group producing a local version of this?
As someone who lives in a small town and suffers from a severe mental illness, I really appreciate this video. I think we need more people who are willing to stand up and break down the stereotypes and social stigma associated with mental illness.
Thank you for making a video like this. I have been arguing the point just today that mental illness is a disease like any other, but it seems that society continues to view it as something the person has the ability to change at will.
Brill presentation but can u try to redownload it there was alot of frezing in the presination? apart from that brill its nice to see people speaking out!
This video is fantastic! Education is the only way people will ever understand that mental illness is like any other illness. No it is not cancer, but it too can only be controlled, NOT CURED. There are more similarities than one would think. WELL DONE!!
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2jeremyable 3 months ago
I suffer from bipolar and post traumatic and anxiety disorder and I'm so upset that someone says to me "Stop using your bipolar as an excuse! and I told this person that they are very ignorant and they turn around and call me that or they also stay "You need to stop being so negative! I don't need this person he doesn't have a clue what it's like to be in my shoes
Englishteapot 3 months ago
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Psychiatry was developed before 1900 in Germany to get rid of people complaining.First use of directed energy weapons can be seen in psychiatric literature from 1908, see Psychiatrie-->Zur Klinik der Narkolepsie on my homepage.After murdering oponents in ww2,Psychiatry was relaunched in´45 to persecute+silence concentration camp survivors.
As a Doctor in a German nuthouse said:
Half the inmates are mad.The other half are secret service agents on training.
Dubbed correctly, they are snitchers.
wwwtotalitaerde 7 months ago
I am a schizophrenic and without drugs I probably would be dead by doing something psychotic. Apparently the drug is interacting with the spirit or psyche to calm it for the patient.
ronaldarjune 9 months ago
You seem to also overlook that the brain IS a physical organ consisting of tissue, nerves, synaps, chemical messengers and like any organ can suffer illness.
Obviously, there is connection between thought (software if you like) and the brain (hardware) and one affects the other to a degree.
I'm pleased to report that the person I know recently went into psychiatric hospital is is now much better after being given antipsychotics. He now can form sentences (unlike before).
laserofjustice 11 months ago
The only way to change tthe stigma attached to mental illness is to ramp up our national health care, to the point where people who need to be institutionalize ARE in a good place, and people who need to be treated ARE being treated.
THEN the general public wont have to worry that weird guy on the street is planning to take you home for dinner, literally.
MrHobiecat 1 year ago
@MrHobiecat Yeah, what we need is more forced restraint and more forced drug use. They are mentally ill after all, and we must help them.
Helping them within psychiatry means labeling them (with a 'disease' that doesn't exist). Drugging them with toxic drugs that frequently produce side effects that are symptoms of that very 'disorder'. Saying they are 'chemically imbalanced' when no such thing exists. Electroshock torturing them. Forced restraint. Chemical lobotomies.
Psychiatry doesn't save.
Ragnarok187 1 year ago
@Ragnarok187 what you need, other than a swift kick in the pants, is to go get one of these institutionalized mental patients, one with full blown psychophrenia, and have them move in with YOU, with no meds, and no orderlies there to pull him off you when he becomes convinced you are putting evil thoughts into his mind, and you must be stopped. I would give you 2 days, and you would take him back, if you survive.
MrHobiecat 1 year ago
@MrHobiecat Get an institutionalized mental patient eh? You mean someone that is forcibly restrained and imprisoned against their will? That gets labeled and locked up? That gets forced psychiatric drugs?
The drugs mind you frequently CAUSE those symptoms of the diagnosis label. And as for the antipsychotics for 'psychophrenia' (I think you mean schizophrenia btw) they can cause irreversible brain damage, tardive dyskenisia, and a chemical lobotomy.
These people aren't insane. The system is.
Ragnarok187 1 year ago
This video has good intentions, but by defintion crazy people ARE mentally ill. People with cancer do not show up at a university, armed to the teeth, and kill 42 people in ten minutes.
With the present state of our national health care, people with mental illnesses are the FIRST to end up on the streets, no job, no home, no insurance, and therefore NO MEDICAL TREATMENT.
Some people with mental illness ARE dangerous, and pretending they are only sick doesnt change that.
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Ragnarok187 is a mental patient who refuses to take his meds. That is ALL you need to know about him.
MrHobiecat 1 year ago
@MrHobiecat rofl. See that's what psychiatrists do. They label people and drug people. Those who don't accept the labels you call mentally ill for not accepting them. It would be funny if it wasn't so sad and pathetic. I thought psychiatry was supposed to be a science. There is no science behind it, just a whole heap of scared little boys that are too afraid of anyone looking into their pseudoscience because then their whole world of labeling, drugging, and torturing will be exposed.
Ragnarok187 1 year ago
chek out myb site here on utube? am mental health sufferer , add me? blessed be.
fabyah100 1 year ago
According to the CCHR ( a scientology front group) - mental illness does not exist, yet, the rambling and scientifically void "treatment" of L Ron Hubbard can "treat" it!
laserofjustice 1 year ago
@laserofjustice Mental 'illness' doesn't exist. And by that I mean it is not an 'illness' and not a 'disease'. The experiences and problems and emotional issues people experience are real yes, but they are NOT a disease. I'm a psychology student, and NOT a scientologist, and I can tell you even without the information from CCHR that these are NOT illnesses or diseases. Problems in living yes. Problems resulting from exposure to a toxic environment yes. Illness or disease no.
Ragnarok187 1 year ago
@Ragnarok187 As a psychology student you should know better than to make such a sweeping and ill-informed statement about such a broad and complex issue. Are you saying that schizophrenia is simply a problem of living? Really? I know several people who have this disease and it is a disease that requires treatment in the one's I know.
Similarly, dementia is not simply a "problem of living" it is a disease.
Both schizophrenia and dementia can be seen in CAT scans and MRI scans of the brain.
laserofjustice 1 year ago
@laserofjustice They are not 'illnesses' and not 'diseases'. The problems people experience are real yes, but they are not diseases. Schizophrenia is a tricky one to explain with a limited word count, but even the so called 'experts' don't know what it is. You need to look into quantum physics to understand it.
As for those brain scans for schizophrenia, they fail to mention that the people they scan have often been on longterm neuroleptics or getting ECT. The brain changes are due to the drugs.
Ragnarok187 1 year ago
@laserofjustice Also, did you know that according to the DSM criteria, every single person alive can be diagnosed as schizophrenic?
You only need 2 out of the following 5 to be diagnosed schizophrenic:
Delusions, Hallucinations, Disorganized speech, Grossly disorganized or catatonic behaviour, Negative symptoms.
Using 2 of those 5, EVERY SINGLE PERSON can be diagnosed schizophrenic. So you wanna change your mind about calling it a disease? Because you too are 'diseased'.
Ragnarok187 1 year ago
@Ragnarok187 Did you know that you are clearly not studying psychology and have no knowledge about mental illness whatsoever?! Have you actually spoken to someone with schizophrenia? I know someone very well who suffers from it severly. Perhaps you'd like to use your "expert knowledge" helping him.. By the way, how do you communicate with someone who is making up his own language, hasn't washed for a week, manages to have his money taken by every junkie and alcoholic and is incapable of survival
laserofjustice 1 year ago
@Ragnarok187 - So, are you saying that everyone is schizophrenic then? Your massive overgeneralisation and simple-minded viewpoint fails to look at levels of these attributes and whether someone with a mental illness/ problem is able to function. There are people who have psychotic breaks with schizophrenic sympton, who recover. There are people who have very mild and manageable schizophrenia that they cope with without medication. There are those who are disabled by it.
laserofjustice 1 year ago
@laserofjustice Did I call everyone schizophrenic? Is that what I said? No. Learn to read. I said according to the DSM everyone can be classified schizophrenic. And seriously, you're telling me I have no knowledge about mental illness? You say I have a simple-minded viewpoint? lol. Now that's a laugh. Keep that notion in mind over the next couple weeks. I assure you I understand what mental illness far better than the current system.
Ragnarok187 1 year ago
@Ragnarok187 Ypu're sounding more and more like a $cientologist, arrogance combined with ignorance! Yes, I am saying you have poor, if any, understanding of mental illness, accept that you seem to be deluded with a vastly inflated ego and a low IQ.
laserofjustice 1 year ago
@laserofjustice rofl. I understand what mental illness is far greater than you or the psychiatrists do. They call it a disease and a chemical imbalance, both of which are lies. I'm not the arrogant and ignorant one, psychiatry is.
So you call me a scientologist, which I'm not. Why is that? Because I disagree with psychiatry? Because I think non-drugs are the best way to go? In almost all cases therapy is more effective than drugs, and drugs come with a whole list of side-effects, withdrawal etc
Ragnarok187 1 year ago
@Ragnarok187 There you go being ignorant and arrogant, again! You cannot know better than all the psychiatrists in the world, do and psychiatry is a science and cannot, itself be ignorant. It is evolving and becoming more refined, many psychiatrists also avoid using medications unless there is no other way.
Not all mental illness is the same and the line between thought patterns, behavior and brain chemistry is interactive. CBT works well for certain things.
laserofjustice 1 year ago
@laserofjustice Do any psychiatrists truly understand the psyche? No. I do.
Psychiatrists, or at least biological psychiatrists, call these genetic, biological, or brain defects or abnormalities. This is a lie. They say these are caused by a 'chemical imbalance'. This is a lie. They say these are 'real diseases'. This is a lie.
The only psychiatrists I'd trust are those that do not advocate the use of drugs. There are a few of those, and they are extremely knowledgeable, but there's not many.
Ragnarok187 1 year ago
@Ragnarok187 How many brains of mentally ill people have you disected after they died? What brain chemistry tests have you performed on patients? People like YOU are dangerous, you have no idea what you are talking about, and you act as if you do.
MrHobiecat 1 year ago
@MrHobiecat hah. Okay then, tell me just one study that shows things like depression or schizophrenia or ADHD to be physical defects in the brain. Tell me just one medical test to check for any 'chemical imbalance'. The experiences are real yes but these aren't biological or real diseases or illness.
You're acting out with a fair bit of anger. If I know what I'm talking about it means you don't. And nobody within psychiatry wants to admit their whole biological perspective is based off lies.
Ragnarok187 1 year ago
@Ragnarok187 A fair bit of anger that you would personally experience about your face if I knew you in person. I have known people who suffer from mental illness. I have seen the total disruption it caused in their lives, and I have seen the benefits of proper treatment with drugs. YOU have produced NO evidence that your scientology BULLSHIT has ever helped a single person. You are nothing but a GD con man selling bullshit.
MrHobiecat 1 year ago
@MrHobiecat If you'll note what I previously said, the experiences are real but these are not real illnesses or diseases.
I'm not a scientologist. But great misdiagnosis and labeling there. You say I've provided no evidence? I asked you for just one study to prove the biological psychiatry views. Where's your evidence these are 'real diseases', genetic, or biological, or a 'chemical imbalance'? You have no evidence, which you should if that's the viewpoint currently accepted and being pushed.
Ragnarok187 1 year ago
@Ragnarok187 There is little point in talking to a person like you, you need to be educated in a slightly different manner. AGAIN: I have known people who had to be institutionalized for MANY years, and when a new drug treatment came out, they were able to move out of the facilty, live on their own, and hold a JOB, be with their family, and live a somewhat normal life. They were not the same as before the illness changed their lives, but their life was GREALY IMPROVED, so STFU!
MrHobiecat 1 year ago
@MrHobiecat I do agree, little point talking to people like me. Because we ask questions you cannot answer. There is genetic or biological link. No 'chemical imbalance' (except AFTER drugs). These aren't 'real diseases'.
I've asked twice now and you've changed the subject. Please show JUST ONE reference for a study to prove the following:
That these are 'real diseases'.
That a 'chemical imbalance' is real.
That there is genetic or biological evidence (for say depression or schizophrenia).
Ragnarok187 1 year ago
@Ragnarok187 I read your home page, you are flunking out at Melbourn community college, your parents will be really proud of you when you move into their basement for the next ten years, so you can play World of Warcraft for REAL. Too bad all those stupid professors and doctors at your university arnt as smart as you, and too bad they have no idea what they are talking about. Maybe YOU should start your own university and train people to be doctors and treat the mentally ill! HAHAHHAHAHAHAA!
MrHobiecat 1 year ago
@MrHobiecat See, once again you change the subject. You can not give evidence to support these are 'real diseases' or a 'chemical imbalance', because there is no evidence. Yet you still blindly claim these are 'real diseases' and that only drugs can fix them. You are wrong on so many levels.
And once again there you go with misdiagnosing and labeling. I don't go to 'Melbourn community college'. I don't even live in 'Melbourn', I live on the other side of the country.
Ragnarok187 1 year ago
@Ragnarok187 Unfortunately, your knowledge falls short of serious illnesses like schizophrenia- in chronic cases can only be helped with medication. If you believe otherwise you cannot have any experience with schizophrenia sufferers nor with the causes of their disease.
laserofjustice 1 year ago
@laserofjustice You're right, I don't have any experience with anyone labeled schizophrenic. But I can assure you, it's not what psychiatry claims it to be, and it's not a disease.
As for the treatment of so called schizophrenia, you mention chronic cases only. While I've not dealt with a 'chronic schizophrenic' I would still suggest non drugs, and especially for a 'mild or moderate' case I would suggest non-drug treatments.
The anti-psychotics produce a chemical lobotomy. Is that 'better'?
Ragnarok187 1 year ago
@Ragnarok187 Well, I'm pleased you are honest enough to admit you have no experience with anyone suffering from schizophrenia, I have, A LOT. Put it this way- I put one up for several months and had to get the police to remove him, it took him going to prison, being beaten up, ending up in hospital then he got diagnosed and was transfered to a mental institution where he got some of the help he needed. I know quite a few other people with it, too- it IS a disease and medication helps.
laserofjustice 11 months ago
@laserofjustice I don't have experience with so called schizophrenics. But I have plenty with so called depression, mood disorders, and anxiety disorders. Almost all types of each. Can you be honest and say the same?
Do you know what schizophrenia really is? Cause I assure you, the so called professionals don't have a clue.
And treating schizophrenia with drugs helps?? So irreversible neurological damage, tardive dyskinesia, and a chemical lobotomy is helping them? Yep, sure sounds like help.
Ragnarok187 11 months ago
@Ragnarok187 Yes, I can be honest, and yes I have got plenty of experience with people with mood disorders such as depression and anxiety and where we may agree is that, in some cases these can be treated with a "talking therapy" such as cognitive behavioral therapy which has been proved to be very effective.
Why you are so dissmissive of all the research by professionals into schizophrenia, I don't know. Yes, the drugs DO stop the symptoms of schizophrenia and enable many to live better.
laserofjustice 11 months ago
@laserofjustice Only in some cases the others can be treated with talk therapy? You do know that every single person has the capacity to feel sad, or shy, or anxious, and these are normal human emotions and feelings and behaviours. You define the exact same feeling as a 'disease' just because it stays for longer than 'normal' (please tell me what 'normal' is if you are going to label such things as 'abnormal'). How can feeling sad for a day be 'normal' but feeling sad for a week is a disease?
Ragnarok187 11 months ago
@laserofjustice As for schizophrenia well that's a little trickier than the others. The so called professionals don't understand it. Tell me JUST ONE study that shows schizophrenia to be a disease, or a 'chemical imbalance', or genetic, or biological. Not your top 10, JUST ONE. I've asked this question many many times and not gotten a single reference
As for the drugs 'treating' the symptoms, a lobotomy will do that to you. Check the literature. High rates of TD, brain damage & chemical lobotomy
Ragnarok187 11 months ago
@Ragnarok187 I agree that the medications have side effects- they are a fairly blunt tool, fortunately neuroscience is enabling better solutions to be found. When you have a proven better solution, clinically tested and peer-reviewed then you have a better arguement.
laserofjustice 11 months ago
@laserofjustice The medications frequently produce, as side effects, the 'symptoms' used to diagnose those disorders. Drugs for depression are claimed to help prevent suicide yet the medications often INCREASE suicidal ideation. How does that help?
I already do have a better argument.
'Mental illness' suggests MENTAL states, that is MIND states, NOT brain states. If it were brain states they'd be called brain disease or dysfunction. Like Alzheimer's.
'Mental illness' is MENTAL not PHYSICAL.
Ragnarok187 11 months ago
@Ragnarok187 Which medications produce the symptoms they are there to help- please be specific and refer to actual evidence in your assertions. Which drugs for depression? I know antidepressants have helped many people- although they are frequently over prescribed as a cheap alternative to therapy.
Mental illness is a generic term for mind/brain problems, the libe between physical and mental is not clean cut, people who have alzheimers may also get depression knowing they have the condition.
laserofjustice 11 months ago
@laserofjustice There are far too many side effects for the wide variety of psychiatric drugs to list in a limited character count. Take a look at breggin dot com. Peter's been a psychiatrist longer than I've been alive (and probably you too). Look at his publications under 'scientific papers' or 'drug hazards'. Also check out Breggin's 2 books titled 'Toxic Psychiatry' and 'Medication Madness'.
If you wanna help people, and I believe you do, get as many facts as you can from more than 1 source.
Ragnarok187 11 months ago
@Ragnarok187 Your generalism against all psychiatric medications is not evidence, neither is siting one or two "psychiatrists" who have their own agenda. I know from personal experience that psychiatric drugs help many people suffering serious mental health problems such as schizophrenia and I have seen how awful and debillitating untreated schizophrenia is.
When you have a better alternative that passed clinical trials- then you have a point.
laserofjustice 11 months ago
@laserofjustice When I speak of my dislike for psychiatrists, I refer to biopsychiatrists who claim these are 'real diseases' caused by a 'chemical imbalance'. Both of which are false. There are some psychiatrists I have great respect for, such as Jung, Szasz and Breggin.
So tell me, giving someone a chemical lobotomy is 'helping' them? That's what you call treatment? People taking antipsychotics don't lose their symptoms. They lose INTEREST in them.
As for an alternative, how about therapy?
Ragnarok187 11 months ago
@Ragnarok187 Psychiatrists are qualified doctors before they specialise- something you seem to overlook. Some mental illnesses do involve chemical imbalances- which is why highly targeted enzyme blocker or neurotranmitter stabilisers work.
Therapy is certainly helpful- a modern, evidence-based one such as CBT but you cannot give therapy to someone who thinks you're the devil or who is hearing ten voices. If you think you can cure someone with schizophrenia by talking- you're quite delusional.
laserofjustice 11 months ago
@laserofjustice I do not overlook that psychiatrists have a medical degree. But do you think that means none of them will ever harm a person? Or that they can not be influenced by ghost written fabricated studies?
I personally do not agree with psychiatric drugs. That you know. If I were to agree to drugging it would be a VERY minor few, and only those who were severely catatonic or violent or 'seeing devils', so you could start therapy. That's not the case now. How many millions are drugged?
Ragnarok187 11 months ago
@laserofjustice They prescribe drugs for almost everything these days. The drug industries pull in HUNDREDS of BILLIONS of dollars a year. They drug everything, not just people 'seeing devils'. Shyness, sadness, anger, PMS, puberty. They label and drug practically everything.
And yes I do believe I could cure a so called 'schizophrenic' with therapy. There are people that have done it. Unless you think giving a person a chemical lobotomy is more effective and more helpful.
Ragnarok187 11 months ago
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laserofjustice 11 months ago
The reason we have this epidemic of ignorance is because psychiatry is based on mythology and philosophy. Objectively, depression does not exist, it is only a classification of symptoms. The name depression does not tell us anything about the etiology, which is heterogeneous. "The Ultramine Solution" is an amazing scientific book which looks into the real etiology of "mental" illness.
apocalist420 1 year ago
if everyone was on this medication then the world would be a better place... the best medication in a secular setting of embrace is grace... yet grace is a term that is emphasised in Truth... Truth in Love... Love that honors another as somebodies child... and they say if you have suffering or stress in life... then you are mentally ill and if mentally ill then the relapes of illness... when suffering is a human condition that is unavoidable... one love
ICGKom 1 year ago
I don't care. I'll kill you all :P It's their worth. Once another label is applied, it never ends.
returnoftheramble3 1 year ago
Someone can experience depression at some point in their life, get over it, and live the rest of their life as if it never happened.
Depression is like the flu, not HIV. You don't automatically have it forever.
This is where viewing mental illness as some sort of disease can backfire and ruin lives.
Simply being diagnosed can cause police to treat you like a threat, prevent you from having certain jobs, cause people to treat you differently... even if there is nothing wrong with you.
DaedalEVE 1 year ago
I sincerely hope you can enlighten one person......thiis whole mental illnerss ignorance and stigma is almost impossible to break
CharmedQuarkZ99 1 year ago
love it!!!!!!!! Thank you
SicilianoJen 1 year ago
Great job! I'm going to show this in my introductory psychology class. Thank you so much.
PatJ61 1 year ago
here in virginia while going to d 19 my patient advocate ignores me, they have been rude to me while I went to see the doctor and they praise jesus when it is not my faith lately just to get on my nerves and this is the govt.
Neededful 1 year ago
As someone that's lived with depression for my entire adult life, the expressions those people used made my blood boil. Great ending.
Cassie8810 1 year ago
I think this is a very good point about the stigma of Mentail illness some people are actually afraid to get help because of the stigma its ashame nobody should be punished just because they have an illness
Godlim17 1 year ago 2
A few sandwiches short of a picnic..
SlatanicG0D 2 years ago
I love the part at the end where it's like "Oh yeah that was so funny, how about cancer? Oh wait is that no laughing matter?" Laughing at any illness is just wrong. My friend suffers from depression and cuts herself and I don't make a big deal out of it, I'm just there for her
WestsideRaindrops 2 years ago 8
i love that, especially the bit at the end - no one would ever laugh at cancer (for good reason - it's a very serious illness), while people with any kind of mental illness - even depression, though it is more widely accepted now - still get laughed at and treated badly, just for being ill. thank you for helping to get rid of stigma against mental illness.
jemoess 2 years ago
good of you to post this.....say something about a protected group...instant hate crime......families abandon their own....i became a hermit.....there are brillent people judged and hated on just because of "the ism"......the system stands by and does nothing...good luck
Amethysting 2 years ago
National Mental Illness Health Month
lsnfoundation 2 years ago
Mental illness & cancer are two entirely different subjects woman. I completely agree with not talking down to either a mentally ill or cancerous person, but to give an example of why you should not talk down to a mentally ill human by giving cancer as a relation to mental illness makes no good point.
GotsuMonster 2 years ago
Cancer and mental illness have many things in common. By comparing the two i dont think anyone is intending to minimize cancer's severity. But they both require proper diagnosis and treatment. The main difference it that most people with cancer recieve compassion and sympathy wereas someone with mental illness is more likely to be discriminated against.
dheny28 2 years ago 8
also laughed at and taugted : not so with cancer. its more than discrimation.
itstime4thetruthnow 2 years ago
@dheny28
This is a two edged sword. On one hand you need to understand that mental illness is not something that should be discriminated against, and there is nothing funny about it. On the other hand you also have to understand that "mental illness" is not this horrible thing that prevents people from functioning (in most cases).
By trying to place mental illness on the same level of cancer, you sort of paint a picture of it being this horrible thing to fear, which creates stigma.
DaedalEVE 1 year ago
@DaedalEVE
its not about creating fear but about fact. There are many cancer prevention education programs but much fewer mental illness ones. without your mental illness your physical health suffers as well, The level of functioning greatly depends on the person...someone with depression might function less than someone with bipolar disorder even though bipolar is considered to be more "severe".
dheny28 1 year ago
@dheny28
Unfortunately even the professionals can't seem to separate fact from fiction.
And I seriously hope you are not considering "mental illness prevention" seriously. As mental illness is not an actual disease you can be infected with, there is no way to "prevent" anything, or even reduce risk factors. Most of it is emotional/personality based anyway, not physiological.
Also, yes everyone can respond to things differently, which is why viewing "disorders" as serious/non serious is BS
DaedalEVE 1 year ago
@DaedalEVE
prevention where mental illness is concerned usually means awareness.know the signs and know when its time to seek professional help. getting help early can hugely help the person out in the long term.Ideally a way to reduce factors would be if people would stop abusing children and bullying others etc but thats a whole other problem and having lived through abuse and traumatic situations can increase your risk of developing a mental illness but thats something difficult to control.
dheny28 1 year ago
@dheny28
A large problem I see... is too many people are being convinced they "have a problem" to begin with.
Things that happen to you due to events in your life are not mental illness... and the sooner people stop trying to say it IS mental illness, the better.
My grandparents died, my dad died, my dog died, I was in debt, and my life sucked. I thought I was "depressed" and saw someone (that's what people always said you were supposed to do) and their "HELP" nearly destroyed my life.
DaedalEVE 1 year ago
@DaedalEVE
of course not every bad life event means someone is going to have a mental illness. there are people who dont go through overly traumatic events and yet end up having bipolar disorder or schizophrenia. your environment does influence those things and can definitely make things worse but thats not the dominant cause.
dheny28 1 year ago
@dheny28
The quack I saw tried to tell me I was "suffering from depression" and wanted to put me on meds that didn't do shit to fix the problem.
You know what was wrong with me? NOTHING. I just had a lot of crap happen to me, and I had an emotional reaction... which is what people do, they react to the stuff in their lives.
The second I fired that asshole and tossed out the pills I was fine.
I made the mistake of buying into that "you need help" BS. Never again!
DaedalEVE 1 year ago
@DaedalEVE
some people really do need help. its better to talk to a professional about it. but medications are not cures...not even close. they can help people a great deal but if you really aren't suffering from a mental illness or get diagnosed with the wrong one then simply taking meds would likely do more harm than good. its important to do your research and really understand what you're going through, if its just life stuff then thats different.
dheny28 1 year ago
@dheny28
More over, because I decided to see someone, the stigma nearly ruined my life. An ex-girlfriend freaked out and called the police saying I was suicidal one night because I sent her a text saying I was "home alone, feeling cruddy" (she was a crazy bitch). And of course when the police showed up they STOLE my firearms (illegal search and seizure), and kidnapped me to be "evaluated" (I was home a couple hours later, because I was fine, surprise surprise).
DaedalEVE 1 year ago
@DaedalEVE
Unfortunatley one of the main reasons why people who really need help dont seek it in the first place is because they are afraid of the stigma. they could lose their jobs, relationships etc... thats an unfortunate reality but it can be overcome. I've had people call the police on me as well. nothing bad happened but thats just the way it is. they had my best interests at heart, they just didn't know how to help me without making things worse.
dheny28 1 year ago
@dheny28
See this is something I will not excuse. To be betrayed in such a way by people you thought you knew, especially when that betrayal was based entirely on the misconceptions of someone else... that is unforgivable.
I never knew what it was like to truly HATE someone in my life until that incident.
If she was truly concerned, she should have spoken to me on the phone, or seen me (she lived 5 minutes away)... not called police over a misinterpreted text message.
DaedalEVE 1 year ago
@DaedalEVE
some people do overreact, and I was once really angry on a friend who "told on me"..years later I realized he played a huge role in saving my life. I guess it just depends on the situation.
dheny28 1 year ago
@dheny28
The worst mistake I ever made was believing there was something wrong with me, and I did so because I had heard others preaching the importance of "seeking help" my entire life.
Instead of listening to myself I listened to the opinions and advise of others, and doing so led to an extraordinary amount of grief.
All of it is done and over with, and things are fine in my life now... but I will never forget the experience I was put through.
DaedalEVE 1 year ago
@DaedalEVE
to most people seeking help is suppose to be a good thing...the beginning of getting their life back. I would always encourage someone to try to get help and to at the very least seek an evaluation if they have certain symptoms and believe something isn't right. it is important to ask for help...I dont just mean in the area of mental health but in life in general. doing everything on your own can lead to different kinds of problems. having said that not everyone needs the help.
dheny28 1 year ago
@dheny28
What I had to deal with (the entire thing) is a prime example of how sending the wrong message can completely backfire on someone. I'll be honest, I used to be a far more open and trusting person in the past. All of that changed.
I used to be far more trusting of police as well (as I have LEOS in my family). But the way I was treated changed that as well. I also used to trust doctors more, and now I see the entire psychiatric field as pseudoscience or a scam.
DaedalEVE 1 year ago
@DaedalEVE
in talking to people I find that trusting doctors can also depend on where you live. people who live in the U.S seem to trust them less because they have to pay for doctors services so to them it can seem like a cash cow. I live in Canada so I've never had to directly pay for a psychiatrist or for medication so I don't see them as money grabbers. I've had plenty of bad experiences with certain kinds of people but I dont hold resentment ex:I dont hate men though I have every reason to
dheny28 1 year ago
@dheny28
The trust issues stem from being lied too, having my actual thoughts and feelings ignored, and being given a stigmatizing label.
The guy I saw didn't listen to me... he heard what he wanted to, and did what he wanted too, regardless of the affect it had on me and my life, and regardless of if it helped or not.
I know others who have had very similar experiences as well.
I do hate. I tried forgiving, but I can't, and I won't... and that's my decision.
DaedalEVE 1 year ago
@DaedalEVE
I'm more of a stay mad the the individual but dont judge the group of people as a whole. That doctor may not have been a good one or a compassionate one but not all doctors are like that. my experiences with doctors have been mostly positive, I've had some bad ones though. and I guess that can be true with anything, I had a few teachers that didn't listen to me at all and just made their own assumptions and ran with them.
dheny28 1 year ago
@dheny28
I tend to be the exact same way (place blame where it belongs), with this single exception. This is 1 case where the doctors themselves are going to have to earn back my respect and trust. I don't see that happening though because I do not intend for out paths to ever cross again.
I thought about going to school for psychology, but honestly I'm not sure I want anything to do with anything mental health related, even though I would be an advocate for the rights of the mentally ill
DaedalEVE 1 year ago
@DaedalEVE
is that for all kinds of doctors or just psychiatrists?
dheny28 1 year ago
@dheny28
Just psychiatrists.
DaedalEVE 1 year ago
@dheny28
Oh yes, and let's not forget that after a number of my friends heard about what happened, they decided I was "dangerous" and "needed help"... because clearly there must be something wrong with ME, and I MUST have done something wrong for the POLICE to be involved.
So yeah, all this crap happened to me because I felt bad because bad things happened to me... and thought that meant something was "wrong" or "off".
There wasn't a damn thing wrong with me then, and there isn't now.
DaedalEVE 1 year ago
@DaedalEVE
thats misunderstanding on their part. just because someone is being evaluated or held in the hospital etc...does not make them anymore dangerous then the next person. and people who have mental illnesses haven't done anything wrong, its not like we can control it. I didn't ask to have a disorder that changes the way I think and interferes with "normal" perceptions.
dheny28 1 year ago
@dheny28
See, I now understand that just because someone is being "evaluated" doesn't really man much, but try telling that to the people I used to associate with, or the police, or the doctors.
All of them SAY "it's not your fault", but their actions and attitudes say differently. This is what I found so appalling.
If I, as a normal person can be treated like this on some whim, I can only imagine the trauma someone with a legitimate mental issue would have to contend with.
DaedalEVE 1 year ago
@DaedalEVE
Many people with mental disorder fear the world because of the stigma they may face. and again I think it depends on where you live. where I live things are a bit more accepting and people tend to want to listen to you more instead of jumping to conclusions all the time.
dheny28 1 year ago
@dheny28
And they fear for good reason... because the world (at least the world I live in) fears, hates, and detests anything that's different.
As I said, people are raised to question their own natural emotions. In the US, when you get sad or depressed, it's not a natural reaction to something bad happened... it's because you are mentally ill, you can't help it.
Anything and everything can be solved by a pill, and no personal responsibility is required on the part of anyone.
=^/
DaedalEVE 1 year ago
@DaedalEVE
Fear can be both a useful thing and a dangerous one. I live in a more accepting multicultural society where many people are different and thats the norm. though fear of other people still exists. Everyone should take responsibility for themselves. i mean there are things that happen that are out of our control and isn't our fault but there are also things that we chose and can chose to change.
dheny28 1 year ago
@dheny28
Culturally people are very different here... but even that isn't really accepted by everyone. Mental illness seems to be one of the few things that you can get away with openly discriminating against. They even passed a law here that lets the police determine of you can be detained for an evaluation. It used to be you had to get a judge to issue an order for it. Those with a mental illness do not have the same rights as others.
DaedalEVE 1 year ago
@DaedalEVE
I agree that the rights of people with mental illness or people "suspected" of having a mental illness are being violated all over. its a huge problem and I think its something that needs to be addressed because in many cases its a violation of that persons human and civil rights.
dheny28 1 year ago
@dheny28
The way it works here is that those with mental illnesses are viewed as fundamentally flawed people, incapable of making decisions for themselves or being responsible for themselves. Because of that the will of others is forcibly imposed onto them.
I had committed no crime, made no threats, done nothing wrong, no arrest, no charges made. I was simply hand cuffed at my home, and taken to a hospital against my will all because some crazy bitch miles away decided to pick up a phone.
DaedalEVE 1 year ago
@DaedalEVE
you were handcuffed? the way its suppose to work is they take you in an ambulance(not handcuffed) and you get taken to the hospital to be evaluated by a psychiatrist. having a mental illness is not a crime and shouldn't be treated as if it were.
dheny28 1 year ago
@dheny28
They came to the house, the dispatcher that called said to meet them outside. When they got there they approached from a distance, made me put my hands above my head, turn around, then came up and cuffed me and sat me on the steps and questioned me, then put me in the back of a patrol car and tool me there.
I was told I was not under arrest... not that it made me feel any better. Once I got to see a doctor I got to go home. OH and a $1000 hospital bill for the inconvenience.
DaedalEVE 1 year ago
@dheny28
And don't forget the illegal search of my home, and seizure of my stuff that I never got back.
Believe me when I say I have a very real reason to be angry and upset about what happened.
Perhaps my distrust is more a result of what the police did than anything else, but I would have never been in that situation had I never seen a doctor, never tried meds, and never told that girl about it (she was an intimate person in my life at the time).
DaedalEVE 1 year ago
@DaedalEVE
I can see where trust becomes a factor in situations like those, but not everyone has negative experiences with psychiatrists. seeking help and treatment saves peoples lives. of course no system is perfect.
dheny28 1 year ago
@DaedalEVE
continued from my previous reply: You can't asses the severity of a mental illness in the same way you can any physical medical illness. I've lived with mental illness most of my life and yes I would say its horrible. but education programs are not meant to instill fear in people and thats something that should be addressed as well. awareness isn't the same thing as fear.
dheny28 1 year ago
@dheny28
I've been depressed before. It was caused not by brain chemistry, but by my life SUCKING. You know how it went away? I grew up and acted like a man and dealt with it. It was all about perception and emotions... not chemistry.
Yeah being depressed sucks, but had I listened to other people who told me I was mentally ill, or that I had no control, I'd be taking meds right now and crying like some emo fag.
DaedalEVE 1 year ago
@DaedalEVE
Depression is caused by either chemical imbalances or environment problem. or both. it is a clinical disorder and its not something you can get over with will power. There is a huge difference with having clinical depression and feeling depressed. feelings of depression do go away usually on their own. depression the illness doesn't work that way. That doesn't mean the person has no control, there are still things you can do to help yourself. Things that dont involve medication.
dheny28 1 year ago
@dheny28
Well then apparently I've never been clinically depressed, though I can direct you to someone who treats "feelings of depression" as if it actually WAS clinical depression.
It's been my experience (and that of others I've spoken too) that this is extremely common. Doctors are constantly trying to diagnose and medicate those who need neither.
DaedalEVE 1 year ago
@DaedalEVE
The screening process for an official diagnosis varies on the doctor you see. for starters people should always see a mental health doctor like a psychiatrist vs seeing a family doctor as they dont have the training necessary to diagnose. but either way I think its important for the person to tell the doctor what they think and feel and not simply accept pills right away without having a clear understanding of what your taking them for. misdiagnosing is a problem.
dheny28 1 year ago
@dheny28
This I will agree with. Do not simply accept a diagnosis and medication. Unfortunately most people are somewhat conditioned to simply accept the word of a doctor without question. I know I did, which was a huge mistake on my part, as it led to a chain of events that I could have done without.
But given my own experiences, it makes me question the legitimacy of many of these diagnoses.
I see no one, take no meds, and am in no way depressed. Seems the doctor I saw was wrong.
DaedalEVE 1 year ago
@DaedalEVE
Depression and anxiety are the two easiest things to diagnose because everyone feels anxiety and feels depressed. its a normal part of life, and yes there are some doctors that will simply try to give someone medication or tell them they have depression etc... without properly thinking everything through. It is my belief that if someone is ill enough to be taking medication they should first go to therapy. Therapy to me is more helpful than medication alone.
dheny28 1 year ago
@dheny28
Here it isn't treated as normal however. Here it's treated as a disorder. I now understand that is IS normal, but most do not.
I'd like to say this doesn't happen a lot, but again, I keep hearing about it happening to a lot of people. The fact that pharmaceutical companies have commercials now telling everyone they need this pill or that pill has only made it worse.
It's like there is a war on unhappiness. EVERYONE needs to be happy, and if you aren't, you are mentally ill.
DaedalEVE 1 year ago
@DaedalEVE
the feelings of depression and anxiety are normal. it is impossible to get rid of anxiety because it is a biochemical response that every human being has. abnormal anxiety or anxiety that causes severe distress in a persons life is different. thats where anxiety disorders occur. but the majority of people dont have those kinds of disorders.
It does happen way more often than it should. Depression the illness is not just about being unhappy...its much more complicated then that.
dheny28 1 year ago
@dheny28
Unfortunately, the fact I was misdiagnosed, and that I am actually fine is of little comfort to me now, as the damage has already been done.
There are people in this world that view me as someone who "suffers a mental illness". That may not actually be the case, but I've found that perceptions tend to matter more to people than actual fact.
Remember how I had said the police had taken my firearms when they responded to the call by that girl? (continued...)
DaedalEVE 1 year ago
@DaedalEVE
Unfortunately sometimes perceptions and assumptions outweigh facts in the minds of some people. or maybe they think your just denying it?
dheny28 1 year ago
@dheny28
That's a usual argument, and some of my former friends even tried to feed me that line before. The way I live my life, how I act, the things I say, all prove I'm just like anyone else... but I bet you that a few of those people I knew would still try to say I was in denial. That right there speaks volumes to the stigma associated with this stuff. That despite all evidence to the contrary... they still think I'm some sort of mental defective.
Well they can kiss my ass.
DaedalEVE 1 year ago
@DaedalEVE
well there are people who are in severe denial when actually they do have a problem thats affecting their life but they just can't see it. or they aren't aware of reality enough to be able to see it. but those are some cases and people shouldn't judge others based on a bunch of what ifs.
dheny28 1 year ago
@dheny28
And for a while I even asked myself if I WAS in denial. The therapist pretty much confirmed I wasn't. If anything, I learned to start trusting myself more, and stop second-guessing myself like I was before (which is what led me to seeing someone in the first place).
DaedalEVE 1 year ago
@dheny28
(...continued)
Well, I never did get those firearms back. The police tried to claim I could not legally own them (supposedly because of the diagnosis), even though I could. In my state you are required to sign a waiver granting access to mental health records as part of the background check process for purchase.
Well, I had no problem replacing what was taken from me, because low and behold, I am not actually disqualified.
But do you see how a misdiagnosis can cause serious issues?
DaedalEVE 1 year ago
@DaedalEVE
Well I don't know anything about firearms of the laws associated with them, I live in Canada and I don't like guns so to me not someone not having guns is much better than someone having them. regardless of background. lol but I know you guys have your laws and rights to have firearms and the law is the law and should be upheld. it certainly can cause problems, which is unfortunate because theres really nothing people should be afraid of if you're medically cleared.
dheny28 1 year ago
@dheny28
To be honest I know that the reason they would not give them back, and it has nothing to do with mental health. The state I live in honestly does not respect the rights of it's residents. People here are essentially seen as taxable assets and nothing more. Those in power would like nothing more than to disarm everyone, because it makes dictating our lives that much easier.
I would rather die defending my rights and the rights of others than give up those rights.
DaedalEVE 1 year ago
@DaedalEVE
I have never been able to understand why some people are so defensive of their right to own guns... I completely understand about wanting to fight for your rights to freedoms that your entitled to but guns are so different. Maybe its just the culture/society that we live in is different and most people here see the whole firearms things differently. Why would you need a gun unless you were going to shoot someone/something? I'm not trying to be rude by the way I'm genuinely curious.
dheny28 1 year ago
@dheny28
Honestly? It's likely the only thing keeping our elected officials from doing whatever they want to us. The threat of a possible revolution can be quite a deterrent from tyranny. Also, they make for great defensive weapons.
Regardless of if you are a man, woman, or child, it gives you an equal chance of defending against an attacker... whoever that may be.
DaedalEVE 1 year ago
@DaedalEVE
The only people who I've ever talked to/meet you think about it that way are Americans. O_o I mean not many people in our society are thinking about revolutions or such aggressive defense. Corruption can be found everywhere but I dont see how owing guns will help keep politicians and other officials from turning on the people so to speak.Again I know that the differences in perspectives here is likely influenced by culture and geography. Thanks for explaining your point of view!
dheny28 1 year ago
@dheny28
You have to remember this country is a product of revolution. People have always come here to escape oppression and persecution. Things really took a radical turn somewhere in the 20th century though, and now it seems like this place is/has become the oppressive place everyone was trying to get away from. That upsets a lot of people.
Threat of force makes people think before they act. However that threat needs something to back it up.
DaedalEVE 1 year ago
@dheny28
I even have copies of letters from the police in which they stated different reasons for why they would not give them back. First they gave one reason, to which my attorney replied, then they changed the reason to something else. I was going to go to court over it, but the total expense would have been in excess of the value of what was taken, so perusing it further would have been as costly, if not more so, then simply replacing what was taken. So that's what I did.
DaedalEVE 1 year ago
@DaedalEVE
I imagine it would be expensive to go to court over that. especially when you're up against an authority figure.
dheny28 1 year ago
@dheny28
$3000 just to get started... then $400/hr for however long it takes. So yeah, really expensive. And of course it would all be coming out of my pocket.
DaedalEVE 1 year ago
@dheny28
And look at the commercials drug companies put out about things like depression and such. Look at the BS doctors spout. Look how police (who are supposed to be trained) treat people who have "mental disorders"...
Apparently the way people are being made "aware" has resulted in stigmatization, marginalization, mistreatment, fear, rejection, betrayal, dishonesty, etc.
Trying to educate people is fine, but sending the wrong message does more harm than good.
DaedalEVE 1 year ago
@DaedalEVE
I honestly dont think police get enough training for that...and most people with mental disorders aren't violent anyway. there is a difference between positive awareness and negative...I think many portrails in the media are inaccurate when talking about people with mental health problems. Hopefully that will change.
dheny28 1 year ago
@dheny28
I can tell you, first hand, that they do not. There IS training for it, but it's a joke. You are automatically treated like a threat or a danger to yourself or others by default. They make assumptions that do not apply, they ignore your rights, disrespect you, lie, etc.
At least I can agree with you about portraits being negative. As I said, I lost friends and was treated like crap by authorities because of the IDEA of "mental illness", not due to any action on my part.
DaedalEVE 1 year ago
@DaedalEVE
I've had problems with my relationships and such too. but to me being in therapy and treatment is a necessity so if people in my life have a problem with it then thats their problem not mine. I'm doing everything I can to take care of myself but stigma is still something I have to worry about and it makes me angry to see how others are treated and automatically judged.
dheny28 1 year ago
@dheny28
Therapy (psychology) is something I do believe in. In fact I did see a talk therapist after what happened to me, and I can honestly say that it did a lot to help me work out a lot of the anger, resentment, betrayal, etc that I felt. The ability to just speak my mind about it and not be judged was wonderful.
My view is that psychology is of far greater benefit than psychiatry will or can ever be. Psychiatry tries to treat symptoms (badly I might add). Psychology treats the cause.
DaedalEVE 1 year ago
@DaedalEVE
Psychiatry and psychology can and do work hand in hand. like I'll see my psychologist for therapy and still see my psychiatrist even though I'm not on meds right now. But I still see her to check in on how I'm doing and such and if I have questions about my diagnosis then I ask her and we talk about it etc... I much prefer therapy because it is more freeing and they teach you different skills to cope with situations that in the past would set me off.
dheny28 1 year ago
@dheny28
Unfortunately I have a very bias opinion of the psychiatry field due to what I was put through. It's left a very sour taste in my mouth. That coupled with horror stories from other individuals have pretty much made up my mind on the subject.
Yes I understand it does help some people... but it seems that for every one person it helps, it ends up hurting many many more... and I'm one of those who was hurt.
DaedalEVE 1 year ago
@DaedalEVE
I think the same can be said about a lot of things. The justice system for example does a huge service for the general public. and on the other hand it makes mistakes and can mess up lives. same with some laws. and same goes for other medical fields. human error is a factor in pretty much everything. unfortunately it has negative effects for some people.
dheny28 1 year ago
@dheny28
And that right there is the issue. There is no test for finding out if there is something actually wrong with you. It's all based on some guys opinion, which is then based on DSM IV, which is of course just based on other opinions.
Unfortunately in the case of "mental illness" some guys opinion can literally destroy your life. It can prevent you from having certain jobs, it can cause you to lose friends, have your rights ignored, and demote you to a second class citizen.
Fuck that.
DaedalEVE 1 year ago
@DaedalEVE
Mental illness is based on fact not opinion. the diagnosis process is actually more complicated then having a simple 5 minute conversation with a doc in his office. or at least any good doctor will go through all the proper procedure to make sure they got it right.diagnosis has a great deal to do with what the patient tells the doctor if someone is having hallucinations then obviously the doctor will explore that further but they wont know about it unless the person talks about it
dheny28 1 year ago
@dheny28
In my experience it's based on opinion, & in my case it really was a 5 minute conversation (well, 15).
The guy I saw was not a good doctor, and should not have made the diagnosis he did.
I made the mistake of being honest without thinking about how it would be turned on me. He asked if I had thoughts about suicide. Well of course I had. Everyone has had a time where they though "God I wish I was dead" and I think he mistook that for something else. He didn't try to clarify either
DaedalEVE 1 year ago
@DaedalEVE
Every situation in different, and sometimes seeking a second opinion would help. Well thinking "I wish I was dead" and actually being suicidal and serious about it are two very different things. its never considered normal to be suicidal. but thoughts about dying that can come and go when someone is going through a rough patch in their life is not at all uncommon. A good doctor would have asked you several follow up questions.
dheny28 1 year ago
@dheny28
I'm aware of the difference, so are my family, GF, a few friends, etc... but apparently this doctor and some other ex associates did not understand there was a difference... but they should have.
I'd like to think that the doctor I saw was just a moron, and that this wasn't normal... but again, I've heard of very similar things happening to other people... even from someone I know personally.
Then again when I did that eval at the hospital, none of that bad stuff happened *shrug*
DaedalEVE 1 year ago
@dheny28 I've been discriminated against my whole life in everything, and I don't care. When people want me to stand up for them, I laugh. I don't think humans have rights. I see your little game.
returnoftheramble3 1 year ago
@returnoftheramble3
I've been discriminated against for a variety of things to...I don't see how that would make someone see that humans dont have rights. of course we do. or at least we should.
dheny28 1 year ago
@dheny28 it never ends. If you look at popular culture like Placebo (I'm a fake who doesn't please), Delerium (i -- I got your fucking game), wives r us, Aria. Beauty doesn't last, and if it does in the lower, it's a fucking curse. Yeah, I'm of the goddamn hand because you programmed me to be a slave w/o definitions. When I crack that whip everyone is gonna trip just like circus. I CAN'T TAKE IT!
returnoftheramble3 1 year ago
@returnoftheramble3 I'm not really sure I understood your entire comment, but thats okay. ^_^ I believe things can get better and do change. its complicated though...
dheny28 1 year ago
@dheny28 schizophrenia is the release of the fucking ego. It all goes into the front and burns out then you're stuck with the back. Our fucking society is making us like a factory. All you have to do is stop desire and wait for repair, bc some of us are denied ourselves. If I have to do all that shit, I want my personality to be matched with my ability as a hobby, but never! I already said I'd work for free. I have no choice; I have been conquered. I cannot build fast enough. I have failed.
returnoftheramble3 1 year ago
@returnoftheramble3
society isn't at fault for everything. Eventually the individual has to take responsibility for the things they can control. As for the things that are out of our control...asking for help can make things better.
dheny28 1 year ago
@dheny28 I finally have enough money to get it chopped out. If they deny me, I will infect myself.
returnoftheramble3 1 year ago
They don't even respect me enough to shun me normally for things. They're sneaky--but not. Let me on the fucking news. If Putin didn't want the annoyance, he shouldn't have used me -- same with them. I just want attention. Are you joking? And then what'll happen?...
returnoftheramble3 1 year ago
Maybe your load is a brick short of a full load: she wasn 't comparing the 2 : she was making a point : you wouldn't laugh at cancer/ so why should you laugh at mental illness? duh
itstime4thetruthnow 2 years ago
What can i say..............that hits it right on the head.........even therapists joke amongst themselves about 'crazys'... great vid !!!
lookinsideyourart 2 years ago
I have been diagnose with major depressive disorder. I look normal but the people around me don't understand what I go through. They judge and think that I want to be like this. I get tired of people judging mentally ill people.
DarkandLovely8080 2 years ago
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IronicallyVague 3 years ago
Great points Cliffordbeers. It strikes all races, income levels, nationalities and both genders. Individuals who suffer from a type of mental illness can be successfully treated (not cured). However, secondary to the stigma, many often do not seek help. They suffer in silence and try to mask the symptoms. I like your username -- Clifford Beers was phenomenal, from the little that I know about him.
TheirVoice 3 years ago
BabkinsGoat it seems like you've missed the point of the video, which is that mental illness can strike anyone and is indiscriminate in who it targets. when you say "issues as to why you turned out that way" it seems as though you think people are able to steer clear of being stricken with mental illness. this is simply not the case. like homosexuality which you reference, mental illness is not a chosen path, nor is it necessarily caused by one's environment.
cliffordbeers 3 years ago
@cliffordbeers I have no idea why this happened... XD Line them up and saw what happened to each, individual one. Half the time, all I need is a picture.
returnoftheramble3 1 year ago
It's fear is what it is, & thats why you won't be able to change it.
If people see someone with a facial injury or mental illness,Gay or whatever - they become afraid the same might happen to them...
It is a very nice try though
BabkinsGoat 3 years ago
@BabkinsGoat as a mentally disordered person myself, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that yes, fear of mental disorders is natural human instinct. but that doesn't mean society should stop there. acceptance always requires courage, whether the person has a mental disorder or not. I do not expect people to be undisturbed by my disturbing illness; but I expect them to treat me like a human being with the power to overcome, who isn't as different from them as it might at first appear.
zukomomo 1 year ago
Fantastic!
Once I did a similar exercise with a group to raise awareness of homophobia - we listed terms, then imagined ourselves in a romantic moment with our sweeties. Now open your eyes - it was very sobering to go from visions of cuddles and candle lit dinners to see COLON CRUISER in your face.
Would you object to another group producing a local version of this?
theamazingbiff 3 years ago
As someone who lives in a small town and suffers from a severe mental illness, I really appreciate this video. I think we need more people who are willing to stand up and break down the stereotypes and social stigma associated with mental illness.
Angele047 3 years ago 2
Thank you for making a video like this. I have been arguing the point just today that mental illness is a disease like any other, but it seems that society continues to view it as something the person has the ability to change at will.
xgeekette 3 years ago
Brill presentation but can u try to redownload it there was alot of frezing in the presination? apart from that brill its nice to see people speaking out!
DanielR305 3 years ago
Would you mind if I used this video in a presentation I'm doing about mental illness and it's change in society?
xDissolved 3 years ago
- no problem, enjoy!
If you want to site source: mental health association of broward county.
cliffordbeers 3 years ago
This is great..very powerful!
blurredgirl 3 years ago
This video is fantastic! Education is the only way people will ever understand that mental illness is like any other illness. No it is not cancer, but it too can only be controlled, NOT CURED. There are more similarities than one would think. WELL DONE!!
cil1977 4 years ago