Atheists & Research: Intense bible-study deconverts Christians

[MrUdontknowme11]

@ciaochowbella haha I like how people still take me seriously... wow you guys are all just trying to prove something that will never have an end. Go ahead keep going... it's not gonna be worth everyone's while if people choose to believe whatever they want. And not that type of science... the science that tries to explain the beginning! DUH And no one knows how anything REALLY started or else we would all agree wouldn't we smart one. This is why people still debate, cuz no one knows!

[MrUdontknowme11]

@Keitaro333 Haha you ignorant fools will never get in touch with anything else but fucking science. Don't tell me to educate myself you worthless dust. You don't know me and all of these atheists give nothing better to the world than a fucking perspective of a what I want to believe is true. So if it is true for me and others then fuck science! And as for everyone else... You try to prove the start of the world! Don't try its impossible! God bless you all!! Even if you don't care.

[Locktulkan]

@MrUdontknowme11 Wow, 'Ignorant fools', 'worthless dust', 'fuck science', 'God Bless you all'. Not an ideally christian statement here..

[ciaochowbella]

@MrUdontknowme11 So you don't drink clean water or use electricity or go to the doctor? You are the hypocrite when you condemn science with one hand yet ACT like you trust it all the time. You are ON THE INTERNET!

Actually, the start of this planet IS known. The beginning of the Universe is also pretty well known.

BTW, you're a typical, hypocritical Christian calling people fools on one hand (which is strictly forbidden by your faith) then trying to bless them on the other.

You're sad.

[man33ds]

Science is the future for all mankind!!

[MrUdontknowme11]

you know what, sometimes you don't need to see things to believe they are there. Feelings, Gravity, Thoughts, Time etc. are all part of it. You might say, Oh well we can prove time and gravity with science, but what I'm telling you is that if someone smarter than you figured out before that there was such thing as gravity or other planets outside of ours, you would totally put your faith on that judgement just because it is involved with earth. Not every real thing is from earth!

[robertghouston]

@MrUdontknowme11 I believe in gravity, because it is demonstrable. I believe in time, because it is observable (I have a watch). Why should I believe in a god? To put it another way, why shouldn't I believe in Zeus/AmunRa (I'm not saying I do, but what makes those deities any less likely than your god?)

[man33ds]

@MrUdontknowme11 Your belief is driven by Faith and Faith is the substance that YOU hope for.The burden of proof is on you and you can not prove that God exists! Teach ideas because they are supported by evidence, that's Science :)

[MrUdontknowme11]

Science cannot and will not ever prove anything about that!!! You cannot interfere with the spiritual world with science. Tell me then where in the heck did science come from?! Oh it just appeared right. Oh yea I might say GOD just appeared but at least I know he is superior in many ways when it comes to human feeling! Science will not give a human feelings, only physical being. Yes science is true but not in that sense. GOD to me is the biggest source and science was only part of his creation!

[robertghouston]

@MrUdontknowme11 Science is demonstrable, whereas god(s) are not.

[Keitaro333]

@MrUdontknowme11 feeling and emotions are nothing more than different reactions in your brain as it has been many time evidenced by, guess what, science. Read a book or at least check some TED lectures on neurobiology and educate yourself.

[MrUdontknowme11]

@mortensjoegren Well tell me one thing, Would you rather live believing in a nothing or a higher source? I truly believe Jesus did come and did lay it all out for us so that we may not make mistakes leading us to our doom. If we were all closed minded to the outside sources we cannot see, when will we ever grow spiritually and remain happy. GOD is Love and Hope. At least have a soul and believe in something! Something that will make a difference in people's lives. Well there is nothing else!!!!!

[robertghouston]

@MrUdontknowme11 'Well there is nothing else!!!!!' One word: Science.

[Keitaro333]

@MrUdontknowme11 i would rather live believing the truth, whatever it may be, but thats just me.

Also how can god be love and hope if hes the one who fucked it up in the first place. Did he not know that Adam would sin when he was creating him? Isnt he omniscient? So if he did, why didnt he correct his design to make

Adam not sinful by nature. And dont bother mentioning free will, free will and the desire to no only good is not incompatible, unless god is a incompetent moron.

[AtheistsliketoTroll]

Atheists don't exist

prove to me they exist.

[MrUdontknowme11]

ah there are plenty of things in life that cannot be explained so how can anyone justify whether there is a god or not i just feel being atheist is totally not looking at everything that has happened cuz who knows what happened in the time of jesus no one anymore so anyone today can't possibly know anything and can't study things that far back even with history.

[robertghouston]

@MrUdontknowme11 Yes, but the answer "God did it." just doesn't cut it.

[ScotchMonkey08]

@MrUdontknowme11 Would you suggest that since we cant possibly know anything about Jesus' time and cant study it that we should accept it as true?

In india there was a dude called Sathya Sai Baba, he died just about a month ago. He had millions of followers who believed he was basically a god. He was renowned for performing miracles of the same nature as Jesus performed. I think there is a rational explanation for what he was doing that doesnt require anything supernatural, what do you think?

[mortensjoegren]

@MrUdontknowme11 If it's not possible to justify that a god exists, there is no good reason to believe that one does exists.

[FossilEYES1]

Sure we have the evidence.

The evidence is in everything in existence, with a perpetually indemonstrable atheistic presupposition of a natural mechanism to have been responsible for the inception of the universe and life having naturally arisen, from inanimate matter.

It is evident that the universe and life did not come into ordered existence by self-perpetrated, non-purposed, coincidental happenstance.

Until this can be empirically demonstrated (which is never) the theological is valid.

[patem1]

@FossilEYES1 Considering the explanations for every other phenomenon we have observed comes from a natural scientific process, the default position should be an "atheistic presupposition of a natural mechanism". Not just saying God did it!

[FossilEYES1]

@patem1

Cont...

The theistic position is the default position evidenced overwhelmingly since earliest recorded history until this day, which concedes to the impossibility to test by implementation of scientific methodology that which is the Supernatural cause of the ordered universe and inception of life from inanimate matter.

Since you step out on a limb and posit that the universe and life came about by non-purposed, coincidental, happenstance in self-perpetration, provide your evidence?

[patem1]

@FossilEYES1 Once again, "God did it" is not the default position. If it were, then what created God? If God has no beginning or end, why not take out a step and say the Universe has no beginning or end? God was created to explain nature's processes by primitive peoples thousands of years ago because science hadn't advanced enough to explain anything. No one knows for sure how the universe started, but science has given a lot more insight to the beginning of existence than theology has.

[FossilEYES1]

@patem1

"Once again, "God did it" is not the default position.

If it were, then what created God?"

Your unjustified reassertion and immediate following sentence, is a non sequitur.

Neither has anything to do with the other.

"If God has no beginning or end, why not take out a step and say the Universe has no beginning or end?"

Because I don't say that the universe is God, nor God is the universe, so why would I, or would I want to take out a step, which is not justifiable?

Cont...

[FossilEYES1]

@patem1

"God was created to explain nature's processes by primitive peoples thousands of years ago because science hadn't advanced enough to explain anything"

You state this as if it were empirical knowledge in fact, for which it is not.

You cannot provide evidence to back this up.

This is just your subjective, negative bias predisposition, in hypothetical conjecture.

Cont...



[FossilEYES1]

@patem1

Cont...

If it were true that science has advanced to satisfy the preeminent question in explaination of your presupposition of there having been a natural mechanism to have been responsible for the causality of the ordered universe and life from inanimate matter, which wound nullify Supernatural causality, then there would be far more than the negligible anomalous est 2.3% atheists worldwide.

[FossilEYES1]

@patem1 "No one knows for sure how the universe started, but science has given a lot more insight to the beginning of existence than theology has"

"A lot more" is not quantifiable, qualifiable, nor tangibly substantive.

Your subjective assessment is not evidence for your assertion.

Let's see you back up your assertion by providing any insight which you have, from the alleged insight that science has, toward the causality of the universe and life arising from inanimate matter?

[patem1]

@FossilEYES1 Miller-Urey experiments, observations of the universe expanding, direct observations of evolution. There is my evidence. What evidence do you have that a supernatural being created anything.

You have continuously asked the wrong question, used a superfluous vocabulary and typed way too much for me to believe that there is an once of original thought to you. You are simply parroting the things that faux intellectual creationsts spew and are not concerned with truth. Good day.

[FossilEYES1]

@patem1

"Miller-Urey experiments, observations of the universe expanding, direct observations of evolution. There is my evidence"

Nice try slick, but utter FAIL!

You are wrong across the board.

All that these are "evidence" for is that the universe did come into existence and life from inanimate matter, but fails deceitfully, ignorantly, and miserably to demonstrate any "evidence" for a viable NATURAL mechanism to have been responsible for the causality of the universe and life.

Cont...

[FossilEYES1]

@patem1

Cont...

Furthermore, they are MY valid assertions and questions for which you have NO justification or authority to attempt to invalidate them by your deceitful aversion and delusional paranoid false accusations, and of them NOT being my very own and ORIGINAL.

If you continue to believe ANYTHING of what YOU have said than I can conclusively say; "you are severely delusional.

All you have supplied is compelling evidence that you are confounded and stymied for ACTUAL answer. Good night.

[TBTabby]

Shockofgod should worry less about Santa Syndrome and more about Bible Syndrome.

[matthewtaylorbrown]

Bible-study led me to becomeing an atheist as well and not of science.

[jabom99]

the Christians i have spoken to know very little about the doctrines of their religion or the bible. Most cannot even tell you what the 10 commandments are.

[controversialbook]

Amazing what a little research can do not only for the mind, but for the body as well. Living a lie is a terrible thing to do to a fertile mind.

[Unicron4ever]

Guess what: it was the same for me.

Research history, anthropology, different cultures and, most of all, read your Bible and *POOF!* you become an atheist.

It's the only thing a sane person would do.

[Unicron4ever]

@Unicron4ever

... And, let me tell you, reading the Qu'ran doesn't help either...

[blazereef]

@Unicron4ever most of the time its that people realize that they never really beleived it in the first place.

[Unicron4ever]

@blazereef ... That's a common excuse from believers (you didn't try hard enough, you just don't want to believe, you make excuses because you want to sin, bla blah blah...)

Nope, sorry, that's not how it works. You believe with everything you've got, hanging on to it because it's something precious to you... Then, just like Santa, you come to a point when you have no choice but to accept facts.