Actually just came back from PI and picked one up from Taal. Breaking it in as I watch this video. Aside from the mispronunciations, really good info.
The 1905 Philippine-American Balisong connection is easy to answer. America took possession of the PI as a colony in 1898. The Philippine-American War(1899-1902) took place. Next came the bandit era in Luzon and Visayas region, and most particularly, Batangas. From 1902 to 1906 Batangas was Americas most troubled bandit area. Weapons now had to be concealable; that is how the balisong gained fame. All PI weapons became highly sought after; and American soldiers took captured weapons to the US.
Vowels are simple - A like Ask, I like End, E like Eve, O like Obey, U like fOOd.
Filipino way of saying Tagalog = Ta-GA-LUG
Yes it is some what similar to Spanish. But Tagalog itself is a very ancient dialect itself. It is not very complex. But now borrows words from Spanish.
I see how you sometimes reference these blades the Filipino way, thats great. But it is also very cool to Filipinos when they hear non-Filipinos pronounce and use Tagalog names correctly.
Everyone now knows the knife originated in Europe. Fine by me, and Im Filipino(w/roots from Batangas). But no other country, race, or culture has embraced the design as we have. The design in Europe during the 17-1800s was not even popular. Filipinos made the design popular world wide, we have used it for over a century and it is now apart of our heritage...so it is synonymous to the Philippines, not Europe. The first car orignated in the 1700s, just like the Balisong...who really cares?
Actually, I am from the philippines. A standard sized balisong costs about 150pesos here (3-4$). If you guys say "its fake" or like "cheap. breaks easily" you guys are wrong. They sell them in batangas for really cheap. And they are more "real" than any balisongs available out of the philippines. (unless they order it or its brought :D)
@AK47vsAK74 800 A.D. an invention, ancient weapon used in filipino martial arts, and theres no accounts that they were invented in other parts or countries in the world, google it its history says nothing but philippines
@MrSharpAss Where is the proof? No artifacts are dated prior to 1910 from the Philippines. Then the museum in Manila states France and the creator that is the capital of the country. The oldest physical evidence is still by the French.
@Roadsideimports lol...France stole it and claimed it theres but its actually not. google it and see the history of the balisong knife and you'll only find That the history of the balisong knife just points out to the philippines. nothing more that's the only strong evidence they have and why do you think they call it BALISONG at the first place? balisong is a filipino word if you know how to pronounce it well
@MrSharpAss That is nonsense, show the evidence, if your claim is true you'd have proof. So where is the proof? Where is some real tangible evidence, something, a handle fragment, anything, something written. You have nothing so all you can do is make claims that can not be verified and are not supported. Sorry you are wrong.
@Roadsideimports oh I have prrofs alright, search it it says there Balisong belongs to the practice of Filipino Martial Arts, That's true that the word & the culture of balisong has origins in Batangas, Philippines islands. they hae very strong evidence, now its time for you to give me some proof. I've got more
@MrSharpAss Man you are really an idiot. THE MUSEUM IN MANILA GIVES CREDIT TO THE FRENCH. GET YOUR LAZY ASS AND GO TO THE PHILIPPINES AND GO TO THE MUSEUM AND READ IT YOURSELF.
YOU HAVE NO PROOF AT ALL AND JUST ARE REPEATING SPECULATION WITH NO PHYSICAL PROOF.
WHY WOULD THE ISLAND ITSELF GIVE CREDIT TO THE FRENCH? AT THEIR OWN MUSEUM.
@Roadsideimports they GIVE gredits to the french, but that doesn't mean that the french invented it. The french only gave ideas and the philippines was the one who made it. and if you think that using all caps texts will make you look smart think again.
@MrSharpAss I am done with you you are an idiot period. No using all caps makes it easier to read. The French invented it period. Show the older evidence that is older then the late 1700, there would be some artifact that would exist. Where is it? Oh that is right there is none period. Yeah the French had their models made and documented in the late 1700, the earliest Filipino model is from 1905.
I know what they did they time traveled back in time and made it for the French.
the Moors first used the balisong or batangas knives. batangueno, or batangas bay all originates from the Moors, look it up man . many afrocentric contribution were hidden troughout history. starting with the greeks who stole egyptian knowledge and made it seem as if the were the masters of the disciplines: mathmatics , Astronomy ect. Bay is a moorish word.
There would be some evidence of this claim, which there is none and therefore the credit goes to the French still unless someone can present an item that pre-dates their claim.
Oh and yes. I am from the Philippines. My folks are from Batangas where the balisong "said to be" originated. FYI Batangas is in the southern part of Philippines not up north...
@tactac75 wrong brother. FYI Philippines is composed of 3 major regions Luzon(North), Visayas(Central) and Mindanao(South) . Batangas is in Southern Luzon(Northern Phil).
@tactac75 you might be referring to southern part of luzon, not entire country, northern luzon includes ilocos regions, central luzon includes pangasinan and southern luzon includes batangas.....if its southern part of philppines then batangas is in mindanao..LOL
Furthermore, if you westerners left us in the first place 400 years ago then maybe we would have been a great nation on our own. Fu** the claim that you educated us. It's just another way of trying to hide your real agenda which was greed since you never can get enough of what you had...
I am not going to argue with you about the agenda of the Spanish Empire and what they did to your island groups but I do recall the Japanese taking your island over and you'd be in a very different place if it were not for the US. And now since your country decided to go independent rather than to remain a US colony or become a US state you now have internal issues that are quite serious and have no help at with these issues.
I was about to watch this video but instead got hooked on reading the comments instead. It seems that both sides are trying to get credit for whoever made the blasted thing. You have a point regarding the oldest existing fact that the french have in their museums but have you ever wondered that if the Philippines was spared from the countless wars - dutch-spanish / spanish-american / WWII ; then maybe we would have been able to preserve our own ancestry such as you?
That is very true, valid point but still the museum in Manila also gives credit to the French for the design, so it seems that there is even people in your country who have come to the same conclusion about the knife as me.
How many do you want....I have several and a direct connection to these in the Barrio of Balisong, my wife is Filipina and we visit there quite often...contact me at marinemike72@gmail.com if you are interested in purchasing an ORIGINAL balisong...they are from 5 inches open to over 34 inches open....thanks...Mike
The balisong wasnt made in france, The balisong was in use in the Philippines since about 800 AD, more than 600 years before that french book came out. It is very possible, that the knife that the french depicted was the pantographic knife, since it is a european creation. Also, the balisong in the book, may have been given to them by the spaniards, since the spanairds invaded the Philippines in the 1500's. Trust me and my knowledge of the Balisong, I'm Phil-Am, and the son of a true Batangueno.
@RKurtzweil68 its all a lie. Dont believe this man! Take it from a filipino, we know about the knife and its history, the first records of a balisong were in the philippines in 800 AD! which is more than 600 years before the french wrote that book! What is true is that the balisong was being used as a weapon in later years. before that, it was used for amusement, and as a utility knife
@Roadsideimports Have you heard of oral history throughout tribes of the Philippines? The oral history states that, it was used as a utility knife, and even some accounts used against the spaniards. Maybe the french created the Modern design of the balisong, but the true, traditional balisong were made from stone, iron, wood, or bone. No one knows the correct time it was made, but the oldest accounts, and stories of the Balisong, were from 800 AD
Yes, my step mom was from Manila. Oral history is not physical evidence so credit can't be given to a speculative source. When was the first oral history written to paper? There is no written proof or evidence to support the oral history.
Things can be invented in two places at once across distances before contact is made, this is valid, you can look to the bronze age for that one and many other innovations.
But as for 2010 there is nothing from the Philippines that is prior to 1900
@Roadsideimports Well, it is called oral history for a reason, but there are accounts of the spanairds letting the filipinos keep the balisong, since the blades were not made for killing, more like carving wood. The balisong was actually made into a weapon by the french, (which I had just found out), and the modern balisong that you see (i.e. Benchmade knives) were inspired by the french design, (Although it was only similar to that balisong) The philippines made balisong knives as weapons in
You failed to mention that the Philippino's used it mainly as a multi-tool, very rarely was it used for fighting. The US gave it that bad reputation. And the French book you mentioned a pivoting knife, not specifically though. So the book described the design of a knife, and the Philippino's took it from that.
I don't agree with that. The English and the Germans have the oldest patents on the knife, so I would say that they took the French design and started making them and even more ironic it was the Spanish who made them under the patents so then it was most likely them who brought them to the Filipinos. On another note getting the spelling right helps because the critics slam you on that sort of thing, last you got the American patent from 1905 which is before the claim from the Philippines
hehe! i guess it will all boil down to who can really display the best way to handle the "balisong"... i believe the filipinos can do better than anyone i have seen!
Don't agree with that either, out of all the searching I have done, the best videos I have seen with tricks are by far the French kids of Paris hands down.
@Roadsideimports But remember, those are just tricks... lets see the french kids go toe to toe with a balisong against some of the kids in manila in a knife fight... see how far those tricks will get them when theres a knife stuck in their chest,gut and eye socket
@JonathanSantiago True and then lets step it up even more and see how the manila boys hang with Detroit and Chicago and the Bronx in street combat. They should do a TV series on it and compare who would survive.
@Roadsideimports Just to correct you on the way you say Batangas and Balisong. Both are not pronounced how they are spelled to Americans.
- Batangas is pronounced - "Ba-TONG-GOZZ". It sounds if there are two G's, even though it is not spelled w/ two Gs(very similar to Tonga). And TONG said just like the first part of Tonga...and GOZZ just like Oz and gauze pad.
- Balisong - "Ba-LEE-SUNG".
Sorry, just iritates me when I hear words of my native language butchered.
@Maypagasa1896 That is very much appreciated, I never meant to insult but do appreciate any correction in the matter because I don't speak Tagalog. Is Tagalog got only 5 vowel sounds? Where the vowels don't deviate like they do in English? This is pretty common for Italian and Spanish but didn't know if Tagalog was similar with in this aspect to vowels. I do like learning things and very much like to get corrected when I am wrong so thanks for pointing this out to me.
@Roadsideimports what do you mean by street combat? all they do is shoot guns, of course they would be winning.... im talking about knife fighting skills, thats it... going toe to toe with just a knife in your hand... A tv series would be cool to see if someone ever makes one though... You got an awesome shop by the way!!
@JonathanSantiago Sorry, but the ghettos in Manila are worse than Detroit, Chicago, and the Bronx. Filipinos have developed knife fighting in to several different types of martial art blade systems. And they are now being taught to US troops, US Law Enforcement, Government agencies around the world, etc, etc... That should give you a clue at who would be more proficient and deadly with a knife.
this is the reason why it is called balisong and the way people made it now is big disgrace to the original balisong. There is a reason why it is called balisong like the reason why it was made like that. The old makers of the knife have their reason why it was made as is. Not from other metal handles. sungay!!!!! records is not only the basis to recall history but the truth behind physical proof which is the people culture and practices. A lot of records are bias & created to hide the truth!
Sad to say but Manila doesn't represent the people of the whole country as much as to the Maharlikans responsible to the true warrior culture of the Filipinos as to the people of Batangas. Why don't you go to Batangas and ask their side of the story but I doubt if you can make it out in one piece for people died easily over there if somebody disrespect the blade. Stop calling it Balisong or Balis cause it isn't right! it is not even French! So, what is the meaning of Balisong in French? lame!
Wrong, the knife is in book in France, which is old French and not used today because language evolves. The knife design is present in German and English and simply a design.
The word Batangas is a city in North Luzon, balisong is from the Tagalog dialect and is used for such a style of knife on the Island of Luzon where the capital is, Manila.
The word Batangas is used predominantly on one island and another refers to it as a Balisong on another, the Visayan dialect uses word Kaba-kaba
@Roadsideimports dude im a filipino,i appriciate your research for this particular knife but as a filipino,let me speak in our side,the knife "balisong" has 2 names or more in the philippines,balisong in tagalog and batanggas in bisaya,balisong means bali-folding song-knife in bisaya they called it where the knife came from.
@Roadsideimports and about that french who invented balisong,i dont argue with that,but let me tell you something,NOT ALL OF THE EYES CAN SEE IS TRUE.presenting the evidence is our disadvantage.i bet the "kriss" has many claims on it,the wavy sword that lapulapu use to kill magellan in 15 century.
@lsigbinl The Kris, was deffinatley not invented in the philippines, but somewhere in the malay archipelago. The filipinos dont even call it a Kris, they call it Kalis. Trust me, I know this, I'm filipino!
@Roadsideimports the french may have the oldest evidence but let me inform you that the filipino's are not good at restoring ancient artifacts and there are less people working on it not like the french they are good at it like thier paintings and other historic stuff.the knife presented at phil museum and stated that is was made on 1905,its not solid evidence that it was the first balisong made in the philippines.there are maybe older balisong made that was not presented
@lsigbinl Agree!... alot of artifacts u can see from all museums in phil are imitations of the original. inventions of other countries are even bought by other countries for their rights to claim the idea of not only owning but also giving them opportunity to be recognized. Its a fact.
@lsigbinl@lsigbinl Agree!... alot of artifacts u can see from all museums in phil are imitations of the original. inventions of other countries are even bought by other countries for their rights to claim the idea of not only owning but also giving them opportunity to be recognized. Its a fact.
@lsigbinl There are reports, and stories passed down in the philippines about balisong being used in the 800's AD! but one of the oldest retrieved, and intact balisong is infact in the Phil Museum, and was made in 1905.
@Roadsideimportsit possible that the balisong was made coinsidently by 2 countries,its possible that i invented a blade that was similar to the blade you invented.but fairly to two or more countries who invented the blade lets put it this way,if the knif called "balisong" it was originated in the philippines and if not,it was originated in other countries
Very true, so where is the evidence of it. There is no knife prior to 1910 from the Philippines that is a balisong. What happened to them? If it was so important to the culture then there would be ones that were passed down from their ancestors and there would be some in a museum somewhere in Spain whom had the first contact on that island.
This doesn't exist, there is no evidence of anything from the Philippines at all prior to 1910, so the French take the cake.
You are right things can happen in two places at the same time. Who invented the sword? That would be really hard to determine because there are many variations of it all over the world from different places.
The oldest known balisong information that is documented is held by the French.
My step mom was from Manila and I'm well aware of the different islands and culture and the different languages.
I am open to listen to anything that you have to say.
i know for a fact that the the batangas balisong butterfly knife was made in the philipines, i am philipino, and...only asians could make a knife design this awsome
Keep dreaming, the French have the oldest data on this knife design that exists so they get the credit, then even in the museum in Manila it gives credit to the French. The Karambit is all Filipino and you should probably know how to spell things from your creed better, because if your being prideful it would make logical sense to at least spell your heritage correctly now wouldn't it.
Also mrtuck if you haven't noticed the French they spoke about 100 years ago is differnt then the French they speak today as well as Spanish. If you look in a French museum they may not have the old French word for it as they have started useing words from other languages. And I think road knows what he is talking about. So I have to say the French have more evidence physical and other evidence.
That is true the research was done by balisongcollector and I did put this in the info on the video. I have found some new things out and need to do a new video on things to further the tale of the knife.
the lack of physical evidence doesn't necessarily mean the absence of truth. filipinos wouldn't call a foreign object by their own language (balisong - Baling sanga) they would have called it according to the name given by a colonizer, for example a spoon is called "cuchara" which is spanish. and isn't it odd that "a western invention" has no name when most western invention has a name of each own?
it is said the that the new world was discovered by columbus. but the ones who first settled in "the new world" are asiatic people from central asia and siberia which became the eskimos and the american indians. i just wouldn't trust on western-made history. the balisong has been trenched deep in the filipino culture even before it became famous and "reclaimed " by the west.
True about the people of north America because you can trace their shovel shaped incisors. That is physical evidence that links the people to the region of Asia.
So the example is flawed to argue about the balisong.
Balisong is not Tagalong.
Batangas is Tagalong and Balisong is Visayn two completely different languages of the islands. So there is two distinctive names for the butterfly knife in the Philippines and this is determined by what island.
Then when you go to the museum in Manilla they have butterfly knives and they give credit to the French in the museum itself. So explain that one genius?
If there is proof that the Filipino people invented this style of knife, first I would think they themselves would acknowledge this and there would be physical evidence of its existence period.
as i've said "history" can be fashioned. physical evidences can lie, it can also be destroyed by natural and man made forces. it can rot. balisong knives are steeped deep in the filipino culture. and the word balisong from the root words "baling" (broken) and "sanga" (branch or horn) are tagalog words, not bisaya. batangas is a name of a place where tagalog language is spoken. dont rely on books and westernized museums. the west has been fabricating lies since time immemorial.
See that is where you are completely wrong. Batangas is Tagalog and Balisong is Visayn. Yes, they are both places but Batangas is a place but is located where the people speak Tagalog and Visayas is another language which they speak Visayn and Balisong is rooted in Visayn not Tagalog.
So you keep your conspiracy theories and look for everything over your shoulder. The physical evidence was not tampered with & the French invented the butterfly knife period unless older evidence comes to light
I don't think you understand the language part. you have to research farther in order to understand the complex of filipino language. "bali is the root word which can be used in different dialects in the country which means break and songay is another word which means horn which are dialects that being used by different islands in the Philippines. If you go back to the early history of the Maharlika then mabe you would understand the whole story of the balisong and how people call the balisong.
call the balisong other names way before the Europeans reached as far as Indo China then to the Pacific Islands. Visayan is part of the Malayan Race so maybe you start from this period. Way before Europeans travels as far as the Pacific Islands.
western history is one sided. westerners thought the universe revolves around them. they thought the world was flat until proven by an explorer who i forgot the name. but the mayans, chinese and other ancient civilizations have already devised calendars or systems based on a "round" world. don't trust western history 100%. anyway "history" can be edited.
my point is, balisong history based on a french museum or a philippine museum created by the spanish colonizers are not exactly true. balisong is a derivative of the karambit, a weapon used in kali, a filipino martial arts. tribes were fighting with knives long before the spanish came. the spanish brought it to europe.
Your statements are flawed in so many ways. If the Filipino people invented it then there would be physical evidence of it or something that predates the French. If the Spanish took it to Europe then why is all the French material older? Those are flawed statements.
The French have the oldest physical evidence of this knife design and whether you like that or not or like the French or not they hold the evidence that suggests they designed the butterfly knife period.
When the Spanish take a first sight in the Philippines??? The Spaniards conquer the Philippines in what year (????) How many years the Philippines have been under the Spaniard??? *$%#@!* The answer is in it ^_^
-------It does not mean that if the french write the first book about "The Knife" they are the one who invented it.. (^_^) the Early Filipinos' just don't write about these "Knife" but still they have this blade since you know that it exist....
Depends what kind of pivots you have, if it is a brass pin pivot then you can hammer down and compress it to tighten the movement but be careful not to over do it because you can't turn back once you peen down the pivot more.
Second is a screw pivot, most are allen head or Torx head, so simply tighten the screws down and if you are tired of them backing out, then use some Loctite on the threads.
this is the reason why it is called balisong and the way people made it now is big disgrace to the original balisong. There is a reason why it is called balisong like the reason why it was made like that. The old makers of the knife have their reason why it was made as is. Not from other metal handles. sungay!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks Bro for the great history....Anyway, im sure even the Aliens from Mars would try to create there own Martian Balisong just to sugest that they've invented the balisong and brought it on Earth...And why this knife was populary called as balisong which is a filipino word if it was invented in France? is there any popular french word for this that we know?.I think a would give a lot of credit for those person whose popularized balisong & to those who use it as there way of life...
Both have claims, but the evidence points to the French and plus24seven visited the museum in the Philippines and it gave credit to being a French design. So there is still debate about it but you have to go by the solid evidence otherwise the rest is just theory. So for now the credit does go to the French.
THE only reason you hate bench made is because thay brought you to court because you used there trade mark bali-song (which is kinda stupid) but really they make the best production balisongs and btw you show bench mades in alot of your videos
I did, past tense, I used to sell their items, but then I learned what a controlling morally corrupt company that Benchmade is. I did not use the trademark BALI-SONG I used the word "balisong" this is not allowed to be used by anyone inside the US to sell butterfly knives because of this trademark. This is not kind of stupid it is criminal and the TTAB hearing will happen and will revoke the trademark.
I do not nor will I ever again sell Benchmade Junk.
If you are looking for a good balisong then the Bradley Cutlery Kimura which is made by Kershaw in the US is a great model. The Spyderco Spyderfly is also a great model. Robbie Dalton makes awesome balisongs as well, there are many more that are much better quality for the price. Benchmade is Overpriced JUNK
They moved they lower grade items to be made in China, most people by Benchmade based on the idea it is a US company and not crap made in China.
They falsely advertise the Infidel to the Military and Law Enforcement when a dual edged blade is not used at all by Law Enforcement and in the Military a fixed blade is used for combat and a folder is used as a field tool. So the Infidel is complete nonsense and a gimmick. It is not worth $460 that is why the price is dropping to $230 now
The price drop is because they lost their military contract because Gerber won the contract. All military Marines and Rangers that I do business with like their Gerber models much more than the Benchmade junk they got issued. They also are now buying the Microtech models and not the Infidel because they see the truth about it.
Benchmade claims no one is allowed to speak out against them. Paul Beretta spoke about the Spyderco design being stolen by Benchmade years ago.
So Benchmade thinks that we are not allowed to Boycott them, not allowed to speak the truth about the inferior products they are now making. They think they own the word "balisong". They also think they own the rights to all knives that are automatic and have a locking device with Patent 866. This is going to be my next video and what is going on with that issue.
Benchmade is simply trying to be a big bully and thinks it can push people around, well they met a force that won't except that me
yah balisong is a french design and was first forged in the philippines batangas... but sadly some say that balisong exist in the TANG DYNASTY... 2000 years ago.
That is very true that it is suggested that it existed and is a Chinese design but there are no artifacts at this time to solidly make this realistic. Theories are fine they are valuable but can not be solid unless proof is given to back it up then the theory would then be solid proof and not theory any longer.
That was a group of French guys who do the tricks. So I'm sure they take that stats on that. Then instead of saying I'm wrong then supply proof that has some basis otherwise mine still stands because I have the proof to back it up.
I'm sorry, I didn't know that 1905 came before1898. Did you read what I wrote of do you just figure repeating the same mantra will make my statement untrue? Bali's came to AMERICA from the Philippines after the Spanish-American, that was BEFORE 1905. The rest of your "History" may or MAY NOT be true, your belief in it won't change that.
You obviously don't do your research the Philippians claim creation in 1910, do the research a bit better. The History of the French is 100% true. The butterfly knife appears first documented in a 1710 French book, "Le Perret", where an intricate and precise depiction of a butterfly knife is outlaid, explaining that the device was developed in the late 1500's as a utility knife.
The book can be seen at The Museum of Thiers, in Thiers, France. Solid proof.
Dude, America took the Philippines from Spain in the Spanish-American war in 1898. America effectively annexed the islands in 1899 which began the Filipino-American war which went on until 1902, followed by various low-level conflicts until 1913. The idea that the Bali-song came to America from Europe is ludicrous. American soldiers began returning with the knives, then called "Click-Click" knives during this period.
Not true, The pictures of the knife design is in a French book from the 1700's, then English and German Patents are issued in the early 1800's. And the most damning is the 1905 company out of Connecticut that manufactured balisongs. So all are prior to your date that you are claiming. So your statements are hearsay with no solid proof. If the origin is Filipino then I have no problem accepting it but need the proof that is prior to the 1700 document that is French.
hey dude great video. I want to buy a tactical balisong from u guys site so i was wondering does ur knives structure are strong and solid cuz I bought one from Knifezilla and it was shit broked in one day. Can u message me thx
You buy shit, you get shit, and that doesn't matter who you buy it from. Don't buy the Walmart super sale special and expect the Rolls Royce of luxury because that is a pipe dream just like you having sex with Jessica Alba is. So come back to reality first and foremost and then talk to me about what model in particular that you are interested in and I will tell you the pros and cons of it.
There is a belief even further back that the Taiwanese invented them but there is no hard evidence. If there is solid evidence then yes we can change the view, but as to date this is as far back as we can find the data, so the French hold the status for the creation, and the guys doing the tricks in the video well are French as well, so they got that stats all around.
wikipedia is not solid proof this is user based & has notes that is it speculative. You must provide solid proof of evidence otherwise it is theory & not justified by physical evidence. I provided proof with articles, models, books, & patents that can't be denied. If you have evidence going back past the French claim then provide it, I'll listen. Furthermore the French did not go to the Philippians so your statement is flawed seriously, it was the Spanish. BalisongCollector was my source
oh i got more info and my friend is from the philippines and hes said :
"As a Filipino and a highly intelligent and inquisitive individual. I state that the butterfly knife was originated in the Philippenes. The french only wrote a book on it called Le Perret,which only describes the knife. Which may be the reason why you might think that the french invented the butterfly knife. I hope that this clears up any misunderstandings and misperceptions.
It clears up absolutely nothing. Proof is evidence. You have no proof and the dates that the Filipinos claim to have invented them are after the known pieces made in the 1860's. Sadly you don't pay attention to the physical evidence making your claim hearsay and completely speculative and only theory with no evidence at this time. So the facts are still that the French invented it because unless you can come up with evidence your claim is simply has no proof.
excellently made
metriod878 1 month ago
Batangas should be pronounced = bah-TAHN-gahs
Balisong - Bah-lee-SOHNG
Actually just came back from PI and picked one up from Taal. Breaking it in as I watch this video. Aside from the mispronunciations, really good info.
neilsix 3 months ago
lol baling sangga means : broken branch
and it is pronounced as : BALING SANGA not SANG-GA
P.S i am a filipino =)
TheG2Z 6 months ago
Well researched documentary! Philippine knife is a work of art... Have you seen their sword named Kris?
ppbellouk 6 months ago
@ppbellouk KRIS is just a blade style, Italians have that as well on stilettos. KRIS is indigenous to Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand and Brunei.
Roadsideimports 6 months ago 2
@Roadsideimports You should by a kampilan
copypacercopypacer 2 months ago
@ppbellouk Kris is the curved sword thing that looks like a snake right????
Trybut3 2 months ago
strike that on a silver dollar if it chips you dont know shit
RonG2187 7 months ago
interesting for sure
FatGuyWithAKatana 9 months ago
Some Philippine-Europe Balisong connection possibilities.
Nearly all Spanish Galleons had Filipino sailors due to their navigation skills. Spainards brought Filipinos to Spain since the 1600s.
Europeans visited and lived in the PI since the 1700s.
National PI Hero Rizal was a weapons collector..he traveled throughout Europe since 1880s(German, France, and Spain). He lived next to Batangas.
Filipino Ilustrados lived in Europe since early 1800s; some from Taal(where Barrio Balisong is located).
Maypagasa1896 9 months ago
The 1905 Philippine-American Balisong connection is easy to answer. America took possession of the PI as a colony in 1898. The Philippine-American War(1899-1902) took place. Next came the bandit era in Luzon and Visayas region, and most particularly, Batangas. From 1902 to 1906 Batangas was Americas most troubled bandit area. Weapons now had to be concealable; that is how the balisong gained fame. All PI weapons became highly sought after; and American soldiers took captured weapons to the US.
Maypagasa1896 9 months ago
No problem.
Vowels are simple - A like Ask, I like End, E like Eve, O like Obey, U like fOOd.
Filipino way of saying Tagalog = Ta-GA-LUG
Yes it is some what similar to Spanish. But Tagalog itself is a very ancient dialect itself. It is not very complex. But now borrows words from Spanish.
I see how you sometimes reference these blades the Filipino way, thats great. But it is also very cool to Filipinos when they hear non-Filipinos pronounce and use Tagalog names correctly.
Maypagasa1896 9 months ago
Everyone now knows the knife originated in Europe. Fine by me, and Im Filipino(w/roots from Batangas). But no other country, race, or culture has embraced the design as we have. The design in Europe during the 17-1800s was not even popular. Filipinos made the design popular world wide, we have used it for over a century and it is now apart of our heritage...so it is synonymous to the Philippines, not Europe. The first car orignated in the 1700s, just like the Balisong...who really cares?
Maypagasa1896 9 months ago
filipino pride right here. used all over the world
MrSharpAss 1 year ago
so they are legal in Minnesota?
windufreak 1 year ago
Is a balisong a gravity knife?
windufreak 1 year ago
No, there are plenty of court cases that ruled they are not, but there are still some places that attempt to say they are.
Roadsideimports 1 year ago
The Spanish took the original knife from the Philippines and brought it to Europe.
Pinoylegend707 1 year ago
800ad. made in the Philippines
Pinoylegend707 1 year ago
Actually, I am from the philippines. A standard sized balisong costs about 150pesos here (3-4$). If you guys say "its fake" or like "cheap. breaks easily" you guys are wrong. They sell them in batangas for really cheap. And they are more "real" than any balisongs available out of the philippines. (unless they order it or its brought :D)
watermelonman124 1 year ago
HOLY SHIT THAT IS $2000+ if none of those are fakes!!!
machinegunkittypycho 1 year ago
if its not invented in the philippines, why call it 'balisong' knife then? why not call it french knife or german knife...etc?
sgtjoe2008 1 year ago
@sgtjoe2008 that doesnt mean anything, all that means is that the term "balisonng" was invented in the philippines
AK47vsAK74 1 year ago
@AK47vsAK74 800 A.D. an invention, ancient weapon used in filipino martial arts, and theres no accounts that they were invented in other parts or countries in the world, google it its history says nothing but philippines
MrSharpAss 1 year ago
@MrSharpAss Where is the proof? No artifacts are dated prior to 1910 from the Philippines. Then the museum in Manila states France and the creator that is the capital of the country. The oldest physical evidence is still by the French.
Roadsideimports 1 year ago
@Roadsideimports lol...France stole it and claimed it theres but its actually not. google it and see the history of the balisong knife and you'll only find That the history of the balisong knife just points out to the philippines. nothing more that's the only strong evidence they have and why do you think they call it BALISONG at the first place? balisong is a filipino word if you know how to pronounce it well
MrSharpAss 1 year ago
@MrSharpAss That is nonsense, show the evidence, if your claim is true you'd have proof. So where is the proof? Where is some real tangible evidence, something, a handle fragment, anything, something written. You have nothing so all you can do is make claims that can not be verified and are not supported. Sorry you are wrong.
Roadsideimports 1 year ago
@Roadsideimports oh I have prrofs alright, search it it says there Balisong belongs to the practice of Filipino Martial Arts, That's true that the word & the culture of balisong has origins in Batangas, Philippines islands. they hae very strong evidence, now its time for you to give me some proof. I've got more
MrSharpAss 1 year ago
@MrSharpAss Man you are really an idiot. THE MUSEUM IN MANILA GIVES CREDIT TO THE FRENCH. GET YOUR LAZY ASS AND GO TO THE PHILIPPINES AND GO TO THE MUSEUM AND READ IT YOURSELF.
YOU HAVE NO PROOF AT ALL AND JUST ARE REPEATING SPECULATION WITH NO PHYSICAL PROOF.
WHY WOULD THE ISLAND ITSELF GIVE CREDIT TO THE FRENCH? AT THEIR OWN MUSEUM.
STUPID PEOPLE ARE THE PROBLEM, WAKE UP.
Roadsideimports 1 year ago
@Roadsideimports they GIVE gredits to the french, but that doesn't mean that the french invented it. The french only gave ideas and the philippines was the one who made it. and if you think that using all caps texts will make you look smart think again.
MrSharpAss 1 year ago
@MrSharpAss I am done with you you are an idiot period. No using all caps makes it easier to read. The French invented it period. Show the older evidence that is older then the late 1700, there would be some artifact that would exist. Where is it? Oh that is right there is none period. Yeah the French had their models made and documented in the late 1700, the earliest Filipino model is from 1905.
I know what they did they time traveled back in time and made it for the French.
Retarded.
Roadsideimports 1 year ago
in batangas philippines, they make some very good balisong knives
sgtjoe2008 1 year ago
the Moors first used the balisong or batangas knives. batangueno, or batangas bay all originates from the Moors, look it up man . many afrocentric contribution were hidden troughout history. starting with the greeks who stole egyptian knowledge and made it seem as if the were the masters of the disciplines: mathmatics , Astronomy ect. Bay is a moorish word.
findknowledge 1 year ago
Where is the proof?
Artifacts and documentation on this theory?
There would be some evidence of this claim, which there is none and therefore the credit goes to the French still unless someone can present an item that pre-dates their claim.
Roadsideimports 1 year ago
Where is the proof?
There is no proof to support this other than speculative speech.
The French have it in a museum and it has the knife quite clearly described and portrayed.
Then why would it have this in Manila at the museum giving credit to the French for the design?
Ultimately, people don't want to read anything and just like the idea of speculative information.
Roadsideimports 1 year ago
Oh and yes. I am from the Philippines. My folks are from Batangas where the balisong "said to be" originated. FYI Batangas is in the southern part of Philippines not up north...
tactac75 1 year ago
@tactac75 wrong brother. FYI Philippines is composed of 3 major regions Luzon(North), Visayas(Central) and Mindanao(South) . Batangas is in Southern Luzon(Northern Phil).
deepsweech 1 year ago
@tactac75 you might be referring to southern part of luzon, not entire country, northern luzon includes ilocos regions, central luzon includes pangasinan and southern luzon includes batangas.....if its southern part of philppines then batangas is in mindanao..LOL
sgtjoe2008 1 year ago
@tactac75 Baka naman southern part of luzon. Napakaliit na pagkakamali lang e no? Ganun din ako minsan...
Pinoylegend707 1 year ago
Furthermore, if you westerners left us in the first place 400 years ago then maybe we would have been a great nation on our own. Fu** the claim that you educated us. It's just another way of trying to hide your real agenda which was greed since you never can get enough of what you had...
tactac75 1 year ago
I am not going to argue with you about the agenda of the Spanish Empire and what they did to your island groups but I do recall the Japanese taking your island over and you'd be in a very different place if it were not for the US. And now since your country decided to go independent rather than to remain a US colony or become a US state you now have internal issues that are quite serious and have no help at with these issues.
Roadsideimports 1 year ago
I was about to watch this video but instead got hooked on reading the comments instead. It seems that both sides are trying to get credit for whoever made the blasted thing. You have a point regarding the oldest existing fact that the french have in their museums but have you ever wondered that if the Philippines was spared from the countless wars - dutch-spanish / spanish-american / WWII ; then maybe we would have been able to preserve our own ancestry such as you?
tactac75 1 year ago
That is very true, valid point but still the museum in Manila also gives credit to the French for the design, so it seems that there is even people in your country who have come to the same conclusion about the knife as me.
Roadsideimports 1 year ago
balisong si from barangay balisong, batangas philipines.. used in combats..
eggshit 1 year ago
How many do you want....I have several and a direct connection to these in the Barrio of Balisong, my wife is Filipina and we visit there quite often...contact me at marinemike72@gmail.com if you are interested in purchasing an ORIGINAL balisong...they are from 5 inches open to over 34 inches open....thanks...Mike
marinemike72 1 year ago
dude, so what did the French call them
makulit5 1 year ago
Couteau Papillon
French from the 1700's is quite different from 2010 just like English is quite different.
Roadsideimports 1 year ago
will you guys ship balisongs to california?
iKaZeHD 1 year ago
There are California Legal models and trainer models
Roadsideimports 1 year ago
The balisong wasnt made in france, The balisong was in use in the Philippines since about 800 AD, more than 600 years before that french book came out. It is very possible, that the knife that the french depicted was the pantographic knife, since it is a european creation. Also, the balisong in the book, may have been given to them by the spaniards, since the spanairds invaded the Philippines in the 1500's. Trust me and my knowledge of the Balisong, I'm Phil-Am, and the son of a true Batangueno.
BetterDeadThanSorry 1 year ago
Interesting piece of history,Thanx man!
RKurtzweil68 1 year ago
@RKurtzweil68 its all a lie. Dont believe this man! Take it from a filipino, we know about the knife and its history, the first records of a balisong were in the philippines in 800 AD! which is more than 600 years before the french wrote that book! What is true is that the balisong was being used as a weapon in later years. before that, it was used for amusement, and as a utility knife
BetterDeadThanSorry 1 year ago
Ok, where is the proof that dates prior to 1700's
You don't have any so until that is established then you have no foundation other than speculation.
The museum in Manila also gives credit to the French for the balisong so shouldn't you first go point out the errors to your own country's museum?
Talk is cheap, give some solid evidence of some kind rather than petty insults.
Roadsideimports 1 year ago
@Roadsideimports Have you heard of oral history throughout tribes of the Philippines? The oral history states that, it was used as a utility knife, and even some accounts used against the spaniards. Maybe the french created the Modern design of the balisong, but the true, traditional balisong were made from stone, iron, wood, or bone. No one knows the correct time it was made, but the oldest accounts, and stories of the Balisong, were from 800 AD
BetterDeadThanSorry 1 year ago
Yes, my step mom was from Manila. Oral history is not physical evidence so credit can't be given to a speculative source. When was the first oral history written to paper? There is no written proof or evidence to support the oral history.
Things can be invented in two places at once across distances before contact is made, this is valid, you can look to the bronze age for that one and many other innovations.
But as for 2010 there is nothing from the Philippines that is prior to 1900
Roadsideimports 1 year ago
@Roadsideimports Well, it is called oral history for a reason, but there are accounts of the spanairds letting the filipinos keep the balisong, since the blades were not made for killing, more like carving wood. The balisong was actually made into a weapon by the french, (which I had just found out), and the modern balisong that you see (i.e. Benchmade knives) were inspired by the french design, (Although it was only similar to that balisong) The philippines made balisong knives as weapons in
BetterDeadThanSorry 1 year ago
@BetterDeadThanSorry (continued) the early 20th century, so we are both partially right, if you look at it in perspective.
BetterDeadThanSorry 1 year ago
You failed to mention that the Philippino's used it mainly as a multi-tool, very rarely was it used for fighting. The US gave it that bad reputation. And the French book you mentioned a pivoting knife, not specifically though. So the book described the design of a knife, and the Philippino's took it from that.
MonoxideChild1219 1 year ago
I don't agree with that. The English and the Germans have the oldest patents on the knife, so I would say that they took the French design and started making them and even more ironic it was the Spanish who made them under the patents so then it was most likely them who brought them to the Filipinos. On another note getting the spelling right helps because the critics slam you on that sort of thing, last you got the American patent from 1905 which is before the claim from the Philippines
Roadsideimports 1 year ago
hehe! i guess it will all boil down to who can really display the best way to handle the "balisong"... i believe the filipinos can do better than anyone i have seen!
made in france or made in philippines...nah!
jomayers 2 years ago
Don't agree with that either, out of all the searching I have done, the best videos I have seen with tricks are by far the French kids of Paris hands down.
Roadsideimports 2 years ago
@Roadsideimports But remember, those are just tricks... lets see the french kids go toe to toe with a balisong against some of the kids in manila in a knife fight... see how far those tricks will get them when theres a knife stuck in their chest,gut and eye socket
JonathanSantiago 10 months ago
@JonathanSantiago True and then lets step it up even more and see how the manila boys hang with Detroit and Chicago and the Bronx in street combat. They should do a TV series on it and compare who would survive.
Roadsideimports 10 months ago
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Maypagasa1896 9 months ago
@Roadsideimports Just to correct you on the way you say Batangas and Balisong. Both are not pronounced how they are spelled to Americans.
- Batangas is pronounced - "Ba-TONG-GOZZ". It sounds if there are two G's, even though it is not spelled w/ two Gs(very similar to Tonga). And TONG said just like the first part of Tonga...and GOZZ just like Oz and gauze pad.
- Balisong - "Ba-LEE-SUNG".
Sorry, just iritates me when I hear words of my native language butchered.
Maypagasa1896 9 months ago
@Maypagasa1896 That is very much appreciated, I never meant to insult but do appreciate any correction in the matter because I don't speak Tagalog. Is Tagalog got only 5 vowel sounds? Where the vowels don't deviate like they do in English? This is pretty common for Italian and Spanish but didn't know if Tagalog was similar with in this aspect to vowels. I do like learning things and very much like to get corrected when I am wrong so thanks for pointing this out to me.
Roadsideimports 9 months ago
@Roadsideimports what do you mean by street combat? all they do is shoot guns, of course they would be winning.... im talking about knife fighting skills, thats it... going toe to toe with just a knife in your hand... A tv series would be cool to see if someone ever makes one though... You got an awesome shop by the way!!
JonathanSantiago 8 months ago
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@JonathanSantiago Sorry, but the ghettos in Manila are worse than Detroit, Chicago, and the Bronx. Filipinos have developed knife fighting in to several different types of martial art blade systems. And they are now being taught to US troops, US Law Enforcement, Government agencies around the world, etc, etc... That should give you a clue at who would be more proficient and deadly with a knife.
Maypagasa1896 9 months ago
That made no sense at all.
The oldest material to date is French, the museum in Manila also gives the French the design to the butterfly.
It is a physical object, so if the Filipino's invented this then where is the knife? Why is there only knives from 1905 from the there?
Europe has them from the 1700's. So the invention of the balisong goes to the French and the Filipino museum even states this.
Roadsideimports 2 years ago
this is the reason why it is called balisong and the way people made it now is big disgrace to the original balisong. There is a reason why it is called balisong like the reason why it was made like that. The old makers of the knife have their reason why it was made as is. Not from other metal handles. sungay!!!!! records is not only the basis to recall history but the truth behind physical proof which is the people culture and practices. A lot of records are bias & created to hide the truth!
lumadsigbinkali 2 years ago
Sad to say but Manila doesn't represent the people of the whole country as much as to the Maharlikans responsible to the true warrior culture of the Filipinos as to the people of Batangas. Why don't you go to Batangas and ask their side of the story but I doubt if you can make it out in one piece for people died easily over there if somebody disrespect the blade. Stop calling it Balisong or Balis cause it isn't right! it is not even French! So, what is the meaning of Balisong in French? lame!
lumadsigbinkali 2 years ago
Wrong, the knife is in book in France, which is old French and not used today because language evolves. The knife design is present in German and English and simply a design.
The word Batangas is a city in North Luzon, balisong is from the Tagalog dialect and is used for such a style of knife on the Island of Luzon where the capital is, Manila.
The word Batangas is used predominantly on one island and another refers to it as a Balisong on another, the Visayan dialect uses word Kaba-kaba
Roadsideimports 2 years ago
So lets through your bullshit semantics right back at you. If the knife came from Philippines, the language should match for everyone?
Retarded because there are 7107 islands in the Philippines and they don't all speak the same language.
Oh yeah I do my homework seeing my step mom was from Manila.
French is the same way it changes over time.
The fact remains it is a French design because they have the oldest artifacts to prove it.
I'm open to other suggestions but where is the proof.
Roadsideimports 2 years ago
@Roadsideimports dude im a filipino,i appriciate your research for this particular knife but as a filipino,let me speak in our side,the knife "balisong" has 2 names or more in the philippines,balisong in tagalog and batanggas in bisaya,balisong means bali-folding song-knife in bisaya they called it where the knife came from.
lsigbinl 1 year ago
@Roadsideimports and about that french who invented balisong,i dont argue with that,but let me tell you something,NOT ALL OF THE EYES CAN SEE IS TRUE.presenting the evidence is our disadvantage.i bet the "kriss" has many claims on it,the wavy sword that lapulapu use to kill magellan in 15 century.
lsigbinl 1 year ago
@lsigbinl The Kris, was deffinatley not invented in the philippines, but somewhere in the malay archipelago. The filipinos dont even call it a Kris, they call it Kalis. Trust me, I know this, I'm filipino!
BetterDeadThanSorry 1 year ago
@Roadsideimports the french may have the oldest evidence but let me inform you that the filipino's are not good at restoring ancient artifacts and there are less people working on it not like the french they are good at it like thier paintings and other historic stuff.the knife presented at phil museum and stated that is was made on 1905,its not solid evidence that it was the first balisong made in the philippines.there are maybe older balisong made that was not presented
lsigbinl 1 year ago
@lsigbinl Agree!... alot of artifacts u can see from all museums in phil are imitations of the original. inventions of other countries are even bought by other countries for their rights to claim the idea of not only owning but also giving them opportunity to be recognized. Its a fact.
nempzonline 1 year ago
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@lsigbinl @lsigbinl Agree!... alot of artifacts u can see from all museums in phil are imitations of the original. inventions of other countries are even bought by other countries for their rights to claim the idea of not only owning but also giving them opportunity to be recognized. Its a fact.
nempzonline 1 year ago
@lsigbinl There are reports, and stories passed down in the philippines about balisong being used in the 800's AD! but one of the oldest retrieved, and intact balisong is infact in the Phil Museum, and was made in 1905.
BetterDeadThanSorry 1 year ago
@Roadsideimportsit possible that the balisong was made coinsidently by 2 countries,its possible that i invented a blade that was similar to the blade you invented.but fairly to two or more countries who invented the blade lets put it this way,if the knif called "balisong" it was originated in the philippines and if not,it was originated in other countries
lsigbinl 1 year ago
Very true, so where is the evidence of it. There is no knife prior to 1910 from the Philippines that is a balisong. What happened to them? If it was so important to the culture then there would be ones that were passed down from their ancestors and there would be some in a museum somewhere in Spain whom had the first contact on that island.
This doesn't exist, there is no evidence of anything from the Philippines at all prior to 1910, so the French take the cake.
Roadsideimports 1 year ago
You are right things can happen in two places at the same time. Who invented the sword? That would be really hard to determine because there are many variations of it all over the world from different places.
The oldest known balisong information that is documented is held by the French.
My step mom was from Manila and I'm well aware of the different islands and culture and the different languages.
I am open to listen to anything that you have to say.
Roadsideimports 1 year ago
i know for a fact that the the batangas balisong butterfly knife was made in the philipines, i am philipino, and...only asians could make a knife design this awsome
spicyXcurry 2 years ago
Keep dreaming, the French have the oldest data on this knife design that exists so they get the credit, then even in the museum in Manila it gives credit to the French. The Karambit is all Filipino and you should probably know how to spell things from your creed better, because if your being prideful it would make logical sense to at least spell your heritage correctly now wouldn't it.
Roadsideimports 2 years ago
Also mrtuck if you haven't noticed the French they spoke about 100 years ago is differnt then the French they speak today as well as Spanish. If you look in a French museum they may not have the old French word for it as they have started useing words from other languages. And I think road knows what he is talking about. So I have to say the French have more evidence physical and other evidence.
ivevic 2 years ago
That is true the research was done by balisongcollector and I did put this in the info on the video. I have found some new things out and need to do a new video on things to further the tale of the knife.
Roadsideimports 2 years ago
the lack of physical evidence doesn't necessarily mean the absence of truth. filipinos wouldn't call a foreign object by their own language (balisong - Baling sanga) they would have called it according to the name given by a colonizer, for example a spoon is called "cuchara" which is spanish. and isn't it odd that "a western invention" has no name when most western invention has a name of each own?
mrtuckeverlasting 2 years ago
it is said the that the new world was discovered by columbus. but the ones who first settled in "the new world" are asiatic people from central asia and siberia which became the eskimos and the american indians. i just wouldn't trust on western-made history. the balisong has been trenched deep in the filipino culture even before it became famous and "reclaimed " by the west.
mrtuckeverlasting 2 years ago
True about the people of north America because you can trace their shovel shaped incisors. That is physical evidence that links the people to the region of Asia.
So the example is flawed to argue about the balisong.
Balisong is not Tagalong.
Batangas is Tagalong and Balisong is Visayn two completely different languages of the islands. So there is two distinctive names for the butterfly knife in the Philippines and this is determined by what island.
Roadsideimports 2 years ago
Then when you go to the museum in Manilla they have butterfly knives and they give credit to the French in the museum itself. So explain that one genius?
If there is proof that the Filipino people invented this style of knife, first I would think they themselves would acknowledge this and there would be physical evidence of its existence period.
Roadsideimports 2 years ago
as i've said "history" can be fashioned. physical evidences can lie, it can also be destroyed by natural and man made forces. it can rot. balisong knives are steeped deep in the filipino culture. and the word balisong from the root words "baling" (broken) and "sanga" (branch or horn) are tagalog words, not bisaya. batangas is a name of a place where tagalog language is spoken. dont rely on books and westernized museums. the west has been fabricating lies since time immemorial.
mrtuckeverlasting 2 years ago
See that is where you are completely wrong. Batangas is Tagalog and Balisong is Visayn. Yes, they are both places but Batangas is a place but is located where the people speak Tagalog and Visayas is another language which they speak Visayn and Balisong is rooted in Visayn not Tagalog.
So you keep your conspiracy theories and look for everything over your shoulder. The physical evidence was not tampered with & the French invented the butterfly knife period unless older evidence comes to light
Roadsideimports 2 years ago
I don't think you understand the language part. you have to research farther in order to understand the complex of filipino language. "bali is the root word which can be used in different dialects in the country which means break and songay is another word which means horn which are dialects that being used by different islands in the Philippines. If you go back to the early history of the Maharlika then mabe you would understand the whole story of the balisong and how people call the balisong.
lumadsigbinkali 2 years ago
call the balisong other names way before the Europeans reached as far as Indo China then to the Pacific Islands. Visayan is part of the Malayan Race so maybe you start from this period. Way before Europeans travels as far as the Pacific Islands.
lumadsigbinkali 2 years ago
western history is one sided. westerners thought the universe revolves around them. they thought the world was flat until proven by an explorer who i forgot the name. but the mayans, chinese and other ancient civilizations have already devised calendars or systems based on a "round" world. don't trust western history 100%. anyway "history" can be edited.
mrtuckeverlasting 2 years ago
my point is, balisong history based on a french museum or a philippine museum created by the spanish colonizers are not exactly true. balisong is a derivative of the karambit, a weapon used in kali, a filipino martial arts. tribes were fighting with knives long before the spanish came. the spanish brought it to europe.
mrtuckeverlasting 2 years ago
Your statements are flawed in so many ways. If the Filipino people invented it then there would be physical evidence of it or something that predates the French. If the Spanish took it to Europe then why is all the French material older? Those are flawed statements.
The French have the oldest physical evidence of this knife design and whether you like that or not or like the French or not they hold the evidence that suggests they designed the butterfly knife period.
Roadsideimports 2 years ago
When the Spanish take a first sight in the Philippines??? The Spaniards conquer the Philippines in what year (????) How many years the Philippines have been under the Spaniard??? *$%#@!* The answer is in it ^_^
TheDrew00018 2 years ago
-------It does not mean that if the french write the first book about "The Knife" they are the one who invented it.. (^_^) the Early Filipinos' just don't write about these "Knife" but still they have this blade since you know that it exist....
TheDrew00018 2 years ago
looool. i dont get why dis video emphasises so much on the fact that philippines may not have invented the balisong knife. :S,
SKRIBER13MAN 2 years ago
ok...i dont get one thing...whats wrong with my balisong?? i mean the lach is at the side where its NOT sharp!!! AND the both handles shake a lot!
dominyks 2 years ago
Depends what kind of pivots you have, if it is a brass pin pivot then you can hammer down and compress it to tighten the movement but be careful not to over do it because you can't turn back once you peen down the pivot more.
Second is a screw pivot, most are allen head or Torx head, so simply tighten the screws down and if you are tired of them backing out, then use some Loctite on the threads.
Roadsideimports 2 years ago
Eh... Well i think i have the brass pivot and i dont acciualy know how to hammer the pins down
dominyks 2 years ago
You use a hammer pretty straight forward
Roadsideimports 2 years ago
IF it is layered you can use a chisel to seperate the layers if you pound them to tight. Be carefull.
KatanaFish213 2 years ago
this is the reason why it is called balisong and the way people made it now is big disgrace to the original balisong. There is a reason why it is called balisong like the reason why it was made like that. The old makers of the knife have their reason why it was made as is. Not from other metal handles. sungay!!!!!!!!!!
lumadsigbinkali 2 years ago
Thanks Bro for the great history....Anyway, im sure even the Aliens from Mars would try to create there own Martian Balisong just to sugest that they've invented the balisong and brought it on Earth...And why this knife was populary called as balisong which is a filipino word if it was invented in France? is there any popular french word for this that we know?.I think a would give a lot of credit for those person whose popularized balisong & to those who use it as there way of life...
wan2bato34bapor 2 years ago
Read the book in the museum in France yourself for your answer.
Then further explain why the balisong museum in the Philippines gives credit to the French for the invention of this?
Curious facts that the aliens left behind.
Roadsideimports 2 years ago
i see... i think you get this a lot but who DID actually invented the Balisong Europeans or the Philippines?
sharkredtooth 2 years ago
Both have claims, but the evidence points to the French and plus24seven visited the museum in the Philippines and it gave credit to being a French design. So there is still debate about it but you have to go by the solid evidence otherwise the rest is just theory. So for now the credit does go to the French.
Roadsideimports 2 years ago
THE only reason you hate bench made is because thay brought you to court because you used there trade mark bali-song (which is kinda stupid) but really they make the best production balisongs and btw you show bench mades in alot of your videos
nathaniel100694 2 years ago
I did, past tense, I used to sell their items, but then I learned what a controlling morally corrupt company that Benchmade is. I did not use the trademark BALI-SONG I used the word "balisong" this is not allowed to be used by anyone inside the US to sell butterfly knives because of this trademark. This is not kind of stupid it is criminal and the TTAB hearing will happen and will revoke the trademark.
I do not nor will I ever again sell Benchmade Junk.
Roadsideimports 2 years ago
If you are looking for a good balisong then the Bradley Cutlery Kimura which is made by Kershaw in the US is a great model. The Spyderco Spyderfly is also a great model. Robbie Dalton makes awesome balisongs as well, there are many more that are much better quality for the price. Benchmade is Overpriced JUNK
Roadsideimports 2 years ago
okay how are they currupt and how is it junk ?? because i dont care for them i just want to know whats wrond with them
nathaniel100694 2 years ago
They moved they lower grade items to be made in China, most people by Benchmade based on the idea it is a US company and not crap made in China.
They falsely advertise the Infidel to the Military and Law Enforcement when a dual edged blade is not used at all by Law Enforcement and in the Military a fixed blade is used for combat and a folder is used as a field tool. So the Infidel is complete nonsense and a gimmick. It is not worth $460 that is why the price is dropping to $230 now
Roadsideimports 2 years ago
The price drop is because they lost their military contract because Gerber won the contract. All military Marines and Rangers that I do business with like their Gerber models much more than the Benchmade junk they got issued. They also are now buying the Microtech models and not the Infidel because they see the truth about it.
Benchmade claims no one is allowed to speak out against them. Paul Beretta spoke about the Spyderco design being stolen by Benchmade years ago.
Roadsideimports 2 years ago
So Benchmade thinks that we are not allowed to Boycott them, not allowed to speak the truth about the inferior products they are now making. They think they own the word "balisong". They also think they own the rights to all knives that are automatic and have a locking device with Patent 866. This is going to be my next video and what is going on with that issue.
Benchmade is simply trying to be a big bully and thinks it can push people around, well they met a force that won't except that me
Roadsideimports 2 years ago
oh well ? guy not all there knives are bad
nathaniel100694 2 years ago
It is not about their knives that is the whole point, it is about how they operate.
Roadsideimports 2 years ago
the model 46dm is one of the nicest balis ive seen mae by bench made they made a mistake or two but some of their products are great
nathaniel100694 2 years ago
It is not about their products period.
The issue is about how they run their business using immoral and corrupt methods. They simply are a disgusting company with the methods they use.
Roadsideimports 2 years ago
it was in the national meseum in the philippines in manila! it was ages ago actually, my school has this field trip!.
plus24seven 3 years ago
yah balisong is a french design and was first forged in the philippines batangas... but sadly some say that balisong exist in the TANG DYNASTY... 2000 years ago.
plus24seven 3 years ago
That is very true that it is suggested that it existed and is a Chinese design but there are no artifacts at this time to solidly make this realistic. Theories are fine they are valuable but can not be solid unless proof is given to back it up then the theory would then be solid proof and not theory any longer.
Roadsideimports 3 years ago
its true that the balisong originated in france! i saw it in the philippine meseum.
plus24seven 3 years ago
Really what museum did you see this in and what city was it in? I am curious for more details on that.
Roadsideimports 3 years ago
Your history is wrong, but your BADASS at the balisong, nice vid
Bladeplay48 3 years ago
That was a group of French guys who do the tricks. So I'm sure they take that stats on that. Then instead of saying I'm wrong then supply proof that has some basis otherwise mine still stands because I have the proof to back it up.
Roadsideimports 3 years ago
I'm sorry, I didn't know that 1905 came before1898. Did you read what I wrote of do you just figure repeating the same mantra will make my statement untrue? Bali's came to AMERICA from the Philippines after the Spanish-American, that was BEFORE 1905. The rest of your "History" may or MAY NOT be true, your belief in it won't change that.
warhawke223 3 years ago
You obviously don't do your research the Philippians claim creation in 1910, do the research a bit better. The History of the French is 100% true. The butterfly knife appears first documented in a 1710 French book, "Le Perret", where an intricate and precise depiction of a butterfly knife is outlaid, explaining that the device was developed in the late 1500's as a utility knife.
The book can be seen at The Museum of Thiers, in Thiers, France. Solid proof.
Roadsideimports 3 years ago
Dude, America took the Philippines from Spain in the Spanish-American war in 1898. America effectively annexed the islands in 1899 which began the Filipino-American war which went on until 1902, followed by various low-level conflicts until 1913. The idea that the Bali-song came to America from Europe is ludicrous. American soldiers began returning with the knives, then called "Click-Click" knives during this period.
As to whether the rest is true, no one knows.
warhawke223 3 years ago
Not true, The pictures of the knife design is in a French book from the 1700's, then English and German Patents are issued in the early 1800's. And the most damning is the 1905 company out of Connecticut that manufactured balisongs. So all are prior to your date that you are claiming. So your statements are hearsay with no solid proof. If the origin is Filipino then I have no problem accepting it but need the proof that is prior to the 1700 document that is French.
Roadsideimports 3 years ago
Sorry i didn't look in the side box.
Catsuit32 3 years ago
Where can you get these knives and for how much?
Catsuit32 3 years ago
actually bali means to bend..
plus24seven 3 years ago
Whatever asaholey your name reflects who you are to the tee.
Roadsideimports 3 years ago
Great video. But you didnt need the music be going through the whole thing.
MrGatoMan1 3 years ago
I like your bali with the tanto blade, very nice video, the narration was great!
Sk8brdr323 3 years ago
lol alright so yea i would like the Urban Commando Balisong Butterfly tell me more about it
fahimsultani 3 years ago
Tell you what go to the website store for info
Roadsideimports 3 years ago
hey dude great video. I want to buy a tactical balisong from u guys site so i was wondering does ur knives structure are strong and solid cuz I bought one from Knifezilla and it was shit broked in one day. Can u message me thx
fahimsultani 3 years ago
You buy shit, you get shit, and that doesn't matter who you buy it from. Don't buy the Walmart super sale special and expect the Rolls Royce of luxury because that is a pipe dream just like you having sex with Jessica Alba is. So come back to reality first and foremost and then talk to me about what model in particular that you are interested in and I will tell you the pros and cons of it.
Roadsideimports 3 years ago
Very kickass vid man thanx a million for posting it up!
Violentshock 3 years ago
i went on your website is it true you built one of these??
liberalxinxamericax 3 years ago
Yeah, I built balisongs. I've made a few.
Roadsideimports 3 years ago
i wish i had one cant find them anywhere
uploader10101 3 years ago
Wish you had what. Many model are available in my online store.
Roadsideimports 3 years ago
sweet first i got to ask my mom lol
uploader10101 3 years ago
my mon said no before i even finished my sentence
uploader10101 3 years ago
She would be the boss, she'd have to buy it anyway, so keep growing.
Roadsideimports 3 years ago
sick fuckin video, balisong culture one, bush administration zero!
jipsyfaust 3 years ago
You know your shit. Kudos.
BrokenHorn90 3 years ago
this is the best video on balisong you have make a very nice editing and the balisong is awesome good work 5 stars
best regards
franckdanielknives 3 years ago
Thanks, I love balisongs as well so it got me involved with the project and research on them.
Roadsideimports 3 years ago
balisongs are awesome man... god vid!
Coolz444 3 years ago
is that you flipping the balisong jb
knifeman777 3 years ago
I wish, that was some French guys. Go figure huh, they invented the thing so tends to make sense that they are some of the best flippers around.
Roadsideimports 3 years ago
Hey JB, thanks for the history lesson, I'm surprised they came from the french. :o
FinalFront 3 years ago
There is a belief even further back that the Taiwanese invented them but there is no hard evidence. If there is solid evidence then yes we can change the view, but as to date this is as far back as we can find the data, so the French hold the status for the creation, and the guys doing the tricks in the video well are French as well, so they got that stats all around.
Roadsideimports 3 years ago
they came from the Philippines
jesjes2 3 years ago
Provide evidence, I'm interested to hear it. If you can't provide solid historical evidence then the credit goes to the French period.
Roadsideimports 3 years ago
on wikipedia it says that they came from the Philippines and the french took them back after the took it over
jesjes2 3 years ago
wikipedia is not solid proof this is user based & has notes that is it speculative. You must provide solid proof of evidence otherwise it is theory & not justified by physical evidence. I provided proof with articles, models, books, & patents that can't be denied. If you have evidence going back past the French claim then provide it, I'll listen. Furthermore the French did not go to the Philippians so your statement is flawed seriously, it was the Spanish. BalisongCollector was my source
Roadsideimports 3 years ago
oh i got more info and my friend is from the philippines and hes said :
"As a Filipino and a highly intelligent and inquisitive individual. I state that the butterfly knife was originated in the Philippenes. The french only wrote a book on it called Le Perret,which only describes the knife. Which may be the reason why you might think that the french invented the butterfly knife. I hope that this clears up any misunderstandings and misperceptions.
jesjes2 3 years ago
It clears up absolutely nothing. Proof is evidence. You have no proof and the dates that the Filipinos claim to have invented them are after the known pieces made in the 1860's. Sadly you don't pay attention to the physical evidence making your claim hearsay and completely speculative and only theory with no evidence at this time. So the facts are still that the French invented it because unless you can come up with evidence your claim is simply has no proof.
Roadsideimports 3 years ago
The Proof is in the name itself..Batangas where in the part of the philippines making that knife..Go search in the net..
Balisong -- is a knife(from filipino)
Batan