As a motorcyclist I hate white van drivers, almost been killed a few times by them but the one thing i hate more than anything is arrogant cyclists who don't know their place. you were on the inside of the roundabout, he was on the outside, from what i can see you felt angered that he entered the roundabout whilst you were on it and decided to shout "Hello" at him... you sir, are a cock.
@frabe81118 oh can i highlight the fact that as soon as your cycling partner displayed a hand signal to exit the roundabout the white van stopped allowing both of you safe passage off the roundabout, and the reaction of the white van driver is spot on.. hand signal>stop>1 second later>"Hello"
The thing is, a minor mistake may have a significant consequence. When you are not sitting inside a metal safety cage, this is something you become very aware of.
so how com i pay road tax to the government, and its clearly labeled as fucking road tax you dick haahah, and ox131jf your adopted and also a jew, go die
@xXxBigStuxXx You have anger issues ! Are you a dangerous person on the road with your outrageous attitude replies ? I have some advice for you ! Fill your bath up with warm water place your head under the water and breath deeply, after your lungs have filled with water you will pass out within 10 seconds. After this you will drown and the world will be a better place without you......Go on Sir put the plug in.
@xXxBigStuxXx No, it's called VED, and it's an emissions based tax. Are you suggesting that people who don't pay VED aren't allowed to use the public highway?
I would like to suggest helping other road users(car, vans, and truck) pull out of junctions or switch lanes when it's busy on the roads. This way other road users in your area will appreciate cyclists more because of how kind you can be. I've done that in my town and have noticed a massive difference when other road users see me or pass me with there cars.
okokokok.. so the van was in the wrong as he should of gave way.. but damn you should know tht some people are fools.. nd moved out the way abit further
my point is that as the video proves the do what the fuck they want, im a motorbike rider and i was attemptin to make a left turn did my checks and a cyclist come flying past me no caring for anyone else, being a smaller vehicle you observe for bigger vehicle, look in the highway code
If you look in the Highway Code you will see that it says to "give priority to traffic approaching from your right" (Rule 185). This rule makes no reference to the size of the vehicle nor its power source.
@xXxBigStuxXx well then that's obviously justification for saying things like "who gives a fuck about cyclists". is this the kind of mentality people can expect from typical british road users? One cyclist does something wrong so immediately we're all careless idiots?
@xXxBigStuxXx one more thing "being a smaller vehicle you observe for bigger vehicle"? Everyone should be looking out for anything that could possibly be in their way or causing a hazard. That's why you have a pair of eyes and a brain. If people can't do that, they shouldn't be on the road
@xXxBigStuxXx Is that like the half of motorcycle riders that were found to be exceeding the speed limit in the bus lane trials? Exceeding the speed limit not just by a little bit, but by a huge amount.
who gives a fuck about cyclists, you dont pay any road tax like all of us other road users, and then you do something fucked up like that, YOU drove into the white van man not the other way round
@xXxBigStuxXx Y do people bring in "i pay road tax you dont"? i f'in pay road tax! yeah its not fair on how much it is but y would cyclists pay it? they dont burn fuel like we do and thats y we pay it (b4 you say anything the rosd tax does not go on fixing roads e.t.c... hasn't done for a few years now).
Road Tax does not exist, Winston Churchill abolished it in 1937. Vehicle owners pay VED based on their vehicle's emissions: Band A cars and cyclists are exempt. I own a Band K car and so pay more VED than most car owners, certainly more than motorbike owners. But taxation has nothing to do with road use. The van driver either didn't see or didn't care there were two cyclists already on the RAB to whom he should have given way.
Nobody pays road tax, Winston Churchill abolished it in 1937. Vehicle owners pay VED based on their vehicle's emissions. Band A cars and cyclists are exempt on that basis. However, as I own a Band K car I pay more VED than most car owners. But still, what has taxation got to do with failing to give way on a RAB?
I see exactly what you did there. 'Uh oh, the van pulled out a little too fast/far. So let's cut him off and give him a little scare to make him think about what he did.'
No other reason to do what you did. You're the asshole.
Normally i back you 100% on your videos of your cycling, however i think that you might have tried to exit onto the wrong part of the road once you got past the roundabout.
Perhaps i'm wrong, (i haven't really been a driver for long..) but shouldn't you have exited onto the right side of that road?
The exit road has essentially 3 lanes. Lane 1 is very wide and shortly becomes 2 lanes, which continue on after this junction down Ilford Hill towards the North Circular, where the majority of traffic, including myself will be heading. What is essentially lane 3 here will become the route that heads into Ilford itself. I came off the RAB preparing to move into lane 1 but I'm hardly going to move all the way across so abruptly having just left a junction.
I cycle to work 5 days a week and NEVER take roundabouts like this.You sir are a moron this is just asking for trouble not many cyclist ride at 30 mph and it looks like that includes you either keep up with the flow of traffic or dont get in peoples way it really is that simple
Hmm, not many drivers take RAB's at 30 mph either. If I'm turning right on a RAB I tend to use the RH lane to avoid being taken out by a motorist leaving the RAB before I reach my exit. This RAB has only 2 exits unless you're making a u-turn and both lanes are legitimately available for taking the 2nd exit.
You pulled in front of the white van from the right hand lane as if to move in to the left hand lane, then as soon as you pass it, you move back into the right hand lane. Either use the road properly, or catch a bus.
you had lots of time to react...he stopped and you continue to drive in his direction and drive into HIM? these bike videos are plain fucking stupid. yall think you own the road. You stick a camera on your helmet HOPING and TRYING to find a accident or stupid shit like this.
Why are you in the middle lane to go straight across? If you are turning off on the 1st or 2nd junction you stay in the left hand lane if you are going off at the 3rd or 4th then you stay in the right. The reason the van pulled out is that he assumed that, As a car would that you would continue round and not cut him up by crossing lanes!
I am turning right. This RAB has 3 roads leading to it, including the one I came from. The van pulled out because he either didn't check the road properly or didn't care to give way to cyclists. He was heading for the road I came from so our paths were going to cross.
@kmcyc You are either stupid or just a bare faced liar. You came onto the r/about and went straight across. You passed one junction on your left and then you exited the r/about on the second. To leave at this junction you should be in the left lane. The only reason you should be in the lane that you were was if you were going to go all the way round about come back on your self.
If you look at the approach there are straight on arrows painted on the road in both approach lanes, the LH lane also has a left arrow painted. The majority of traffic approaching from the road I arrived from will take the exit I used, from either the left or right hand lane. As I said before, the next exit would mean making a u-turn as there are only three roads at this junction.
@kmcyc And as for your comment "He was heading for the road I was"!!! you new what road you were heading for but no one else did. You were in the wrong lane and then decided it was ok to cross those lanes while you were on the r/about. You either think you own the road or just dont know how to ride or drive on it.
The van used the RH lane on his approach road, which indicates that he planned on turning right and exiting the RAB using the road I approached from. You have mis-quoted me, if you care to read what I previously said which was "He was heading for the road I came from". What I would have liked was for him to yield to traffic already on the RAB as required by the Highway Code but I realise that many drivers don't see cyclists or realise they should yield when they have priority.
why do cyclists feel as if they own the road by the way they trundle their pushbikes all over the roads cutting people up and acting like dicks when they get pulled up for it.
The van was going to take his 2nd exit, which would have been a u-turn for me as this RAB has only 3 exits. He failed to check the road properly and he failed to give way to traffic already on the RAB.
About 2 seconds in you see the van pull out into traffic. At 7 seconds in you drive into him and shout. Traffic laws can be what they are but common sense says to not drive into solid objects.
@nelson4568 Wait a second? Someone cycling for whatever reason, deserves to get hit. And possibly killed, because they make it 'look bad' That's wrong, Sorry but i don't think that in anyway, Your entitled to your opinion, But when it possibly involves someone dying from another road user. It should be kept in your head
@uwersayin i never said dying, I said hit, as in hit during the situation the cyclist recorded...from such a low end speed the impact would have just knocked his fey patty ass off the bike and made him learn to respect and share the road with others, and follow the rules, in stead of cut across multiple lanes of traffic, nearly get hit by a van, and piss and moan like the pussy he is and claim he was almost "killed"
looks like the van hit brakes around 0:05 and cyclist stupid more coming closer to the left lane.. should of stayed right lane and if you want to go left lane you need to signal infront of the van driver first so you know he see's you .. not quickly nudge for the spot ..
Genuine question: I thought I was taught that cyclists should always go around the outside of a roundabout, the same as mobility scooters. Is this not true?
No, it is not a requirement for a cyclist to ride the outside of RAB's, although the Highway Code advises it. The advice goes on to say that you should take care when passing exits where of course you'll be conflicting with other traffic. Like others, I find it safer to take a more usual line and use the middle or RH lane if not taking the 1st exit.
@kmcyc anticipate a little with traffic mate.. don't switch lane just to cut off a van or car or whatever for your own pleasure.. if would have stayed on your lane for about three seconds longer there would have been no problem!!
I was heading for that exit, had I stayed right for 3 more seconds the van may have carried on and blocked my exit, forcing me to take a trip around the RAB, confusing other drivers and creating more danger. Anticipate traffic. That's great. How about the van driver looking and anticipating where I'm going to be and giving way to traffic already on the RAB? Had he waited where he should have there would have been no problem.
You should have been ran over then, you were in his lane and had view of him pulling into it from a great distance. Your in the wrong not him... i would have done a fair bit more than wave at you if you pulled out into my van...
Is the guy in the van supposed to be psychic? He stopped didn't he? That is after the cyclists finally made their minds up which lane they wanted. Uploader gets a helmet camera then scores an own goal with this one.
Not psychic, observant would do. I was making a clear signal that I was turning right, so how come he pulled onto the roundabout, when the Highway Code requires him to give way to traffic already on it?
I was almost knocked off my bike in exactly the same place last summer by a white van driver. I also believe he did it on purpose. That roundabout at Winston Way needs redesigning so it's cycle friendly.
"Our roads"? Public roads? Roads that as a member of the public I'm entitled to ride on? In safety? Hmm, try reading the Highway Code and applying it to the way you choose to use the roads.
idiot, he pulled in to the left lane, you was in the right lane then when you seen him pull into the left lane you decide to pull in and drive at him. i think white vans are idiots, but in this video your the idiot! i think you deliberately ride like an idiot just so you can put the clips on youtube. no wonder bikers have a bad name!
He should not have entered the RAB, he should have waited for me to pass. I had no idea if he was going to stop at all. It could have been that he simply didn't see me but whatever the reason for him being there, I still had to negotiate him somehow and took a line that provided me with options whatever he chose to do.
Yes a possibility for sure. Although stopping on a RAB is ill advised given that traffic joining it is generally expected to stop and wait for it to be clear beforehand.
@kmcyc no the guy in the van did totally the wrong thing pulling out on you like that, i think you are very brave being out on a bike on todays roads. i have watched a few of your vids now and it will defo make me take more care out on the roads when i am driving (not that i am a bad driver i think).Take care out there mate.
No problem, thanks for your comments. I'm glad my videos have made you pause for a moment and think about your driving, no matter how good and considerate you are - and I'm sure you are both. Be safe yourself. :)
@videogameaddic1001 A vehicle (car/bus/lorry/motorbike/cyclist) can change lanes on a roundabout, it's legal and a normal function of their design. Vehicles waiting to enter the roundabout have to give way to vehicles from the right.
@jonredhornet yeah but the cyclist could of just stayed in the lane he was in for an extra second then went into the left lane after the van instead of driving at him and making a big deal out of nothing.
@videogameaddic1001 u give way to the right ass-clown, or are you autistic and can't read your road guide? its more like motorists have a bad name because they're fukin blind as anything or is it harry potter where every cyclist has an invisibility cloak, u thinking 'I wish', u wont be when i key your car then sprint off at 30+ in a cycle lane past a RAB then into a neighbourhood XD
@straatman12345 yes and the van stopped after he seen him, yes he was over the give way line, but he was in the left lane and the bike was in the right lane, so the van stopped so he didn't hit the cyclist. and that's funny seen as tho i don't even have a car
poster, why were you trying to go from the right hand lane of the roundabout to the left lane of the exit while there was a van in your way? you drove at him, not the other way around.
He drove onto the RAB while there was traffic on it, when he should have given way and stopped before the give-way line. Not being sure where he was going or if he was going to stop I took a line that gave me options to go either in front or behind.
He stopped on the RAB, having failed to wait at the give way line. How could I know that he was going to stop at all? I made sure I had options in case he didn't. Again I ask the question, would this have happened if I were in my car?
The reason the van pulls out is because the left hand lane is clear. Why does the lead cyclist start in the right hand lane and moves left instead of using the left hand lane ? His road positioning is terrible for a motor vehicle let alone a vunerable cyclist. You on the other hand start in the right hand lane and stay there apart from trying to prove some sort of point by aiming at the van. Are you a super cyclist who can maintain the speed of the ouside lane or just bloody minded ?
Give way to traffic already on the RAB means give way. Not pull out a bit then stop and see if anything's coming.
This RAB has 3 exits: 1 = left, 2 = right, 3 = u-turn. Which lane would you pick for a right turn? As a vulnerable road user, I'm well aware that road positioning is very important for my safety.
the right hand exit isn't far enough round the roundabout to be considered a right hand turn. Its straight ahead. The left hand lane is the correct to exit in the left hand lane. If the first exit really was for left turns only then its impossible for the van to cut anybody up by pulling across the give way line..
@shauniebabes I agree, it was obvious he aimed for the white van as he came round. Its a shame they don't make cyclists take a test before being allowed on the roads, this guy would have failed.
You and shauniebabes are clearly familiar with this RAB and experts on cycling around it. What is it with you? Traffic joining a RAB must give way to traffic already on it. The van had already failed to yield to the rider ahead of me and carried on as I approached. BTW, I've held a car licence for 23 years, a motorbike licence for 8 years and have been cycling for 15. It's not as if I just got up that morning and went "I've got a good idea...!"
@kmcyc I agree fully, the Van driver entered when he shouldnt have, however you see him slow down instead of accelerating onto the RAB when he realises jis mistake. Your actions when you saw this happening was to move out of right lane into the direct path of the Van to prove some sort of point. We all clearly saw him enter the RAB long before you reach him, so the correct action would have been to stay in the right lane until you were passed him, not swerve into the left lane in front of him
If I had gone further to the right, would the driver have stopped? I saved the space to my right for an escape had they not realised they were going to cause a collision. If necessary I could have used that space to carry on around and do a full lap of the RAB. Why was it that the driver failed to spot not just me but the rider ahead of me too? We were both in full view and he had plenty of time to stop behind the give-way line.
This RAB has 3 exits, it controls what is effectively a T-Junction: 1 = Left, 2 = Right, 3 = U-Turn. Both of us cycling take the same line, only by the time I get there the van driver is already half-way into the RAB, failing to observe and/or yield correctly. Had they done so, they would have been behind the give-way line at their entrance to the RAB, in which case there would have been "NO ISSUE". If there is traffic already on the RAB you want to enter: give way. Simple.
Highway Code Rule 185 begins with "When reaching the roundabout you should give priority to traffic approaching from your right".
Being I and the other cyclist were traffic and approaching from the van driver's right, he should have given way.
I am not interested in getting into a ruck, simply to my destination. Sadly there are too many drivers who fail to recognise that cyclists have as much right to a safe journey as anyone else on the road.
Drivers should know this, at roundabouts you give way to anyone coming from your right. Where did the cyclists come from? That's right, the right. Drivers fault if there was an accident.
Driver should have given way, cyclist was already on the rab, and as such has the right of way regardless of whether he is changing lanes or not, especially as the van was not taking the first exit. He failed to give way to the cyclist = his fault 100%.
It looks like you changed lanes while making that turn, and the van was in the lane way before you. maybe I'm missing something here. The law on this side of the pond is usually that you can't change lanes in an intersection.
It's a roundabout. You approach in the RH lane typically when you want to turn right. You have to change to the LH lane to exit the roundabout. I'm signalling my intention to the driver who by law must yield to traffic already on the roundabout. I know there aren't many roundabouts on your side of the pond but they always worry me when I'm there as not many folks know how to use them over there.
@kmcyc That's a really weird looking roundabout. I live in Maryland which seems to be one of the first states to adopt them, because we have quite a few, surprisingly. But not very many dual-lane roundabouts, I'll admit.
Larger RAB's here can have 3 or more lanes, we are taught how to cross lanes when learning to drive. I apply the same principles when I cycle, having the confidence and speed to do so.
I once drove through MD staying at Ocean City en route from Williamsburg VA to Lancaster PA via the Chesapeake Bay Bridge Tunnel. Can't say I recall any RAB's but I'm sure they're there. 4-Way Stop Signs puzzle me and always take a bit of getting used to when I visit the States.
@kmcyc I think they started popping up about 6 or 7 years ago in southern Maryland. It's been a slow transition, but every once in a while I hear someone from out-of-state complaining about being confused by them. I guess it's all in what you're used to.
I've travelled up and down the East and West coasts of America by road and found a number of roundabouts along the way in a number of States. The locals usually seem to have got the hang of them but watch out for those with out of state plates! It only takes a little while each time I visit America to get the hang of 4-Way Stop Signs, I simply pretend they're mini-roundabouts from the UK. The principle seems to be the same: 1st to arrive, 1st to leave.
@kmcyc There is no law stating you have to change to the left hand lane to exit. In this example, two lanes on the RAB also form directly into two lanes on your exit road, so you may continue in the right hand lane. If I've misunderstood you, another view - in this situation yes, you have to CROSS the left lane on the RAB to exit, but as the van was CLEARLY remaining and exiting into the left hand lane, no safety issue with you exiting right, and him entering and exiting left at the same time.
@CaptainCocaine you can change lanes in a roundabout....otherwise they would be pointless and would have only one lane. Remember the scene from national lampoons europe vacation! HA
@aglandcattleman The vid poster already got me on this one. I couldn't see that he was signalling his lane change before the van entered the roundabout. I'm also not that up on multi-lane RAB rules, as I usually only see single lane RABs here in the states.
LOL!! I actually DO remember that scene, and I think I've only seen half of the movie about 15 years ago. Classic.
You may feel safer walking your cycle round on the pavement or verge. If you decide to ride round keeping to the left-hand lane you should be aware that drivers may not easily see you take extra care when cycling across exits. You may need to signal right to show you are not leaving the roundabout watch out for vehicles crossing your path to leave or join the roundabout.
This rule says "you may decide" and "if". It does not say "must". It's the only rule I could find in the Highway Code that applies specifically to cyclists approaching roundabouts. Please feel free to quote any Highway Code rules that I may have missed on this subject. Until then, I will continue to approach RAB's in the RH lane if I am turning right, as that seems the safest option to me. I'll be more visible, predictable and I won't have to cycle through traffic leaving it.
Enter the RAB on the left to turn right? Hmm, doesn't sound too clever to me. I'm well aware of the rules of the road, I've cycled this RAB every day for over 5 years. Turning right, arrive in the RH lane, signal clearly my intention. Give way to traffic already on the RAB. Oh, hang on, that rule applies to the van driver in this case!
Yeah have to say, "left"-ing it all the way around a roundabout can be dangerous enough when cars do it, but would be pretty suicidal if a cyclist did it. Especially if it was a busy/fast roundabout (like linking DCways etc)
If you kept more lane discipline the van driver might have an idea what you are doing, you go from hugging the right hand side of the roundabout right across this guy, he probably thought you were going all the way round. Question did you indicate you were turning left off the round about?
I take the same lines here day after day to manage traffic behind and in front and yes I make sure I give clear signals entering and exiting the RAB. What is more likely the case is that the van driver did not see me. Regardless of the hi-viz gear I wear, it is all too common that drivers look only for other drivers and fail to see motorbikes and cyclists that are much closer to them.
Im sorry there is no hiding the fact you clearly cut the roundabout, I dont know what was coming up ahead but you both ended up in the middle of the dual carriage way.... My main point though was if you wanted to take the second exit you should have been hugging the left hand side of the right lane not cutting the corner at the roundabout. I agree the van was pushing his luck and most drivers would have anticipated your poor lane discipline but that still doesn't forgive it though.
Ah! I understand! FYI this RAB has only 2 exits, unless you U-Turn. It controls a large T-Junction: 2nd exit is right, 1st exit is left. So I move to the RH lane on approach and merge left on exit, as the traffic I must cross by rights should yield.
If it was a normal RAB I would most likely approach in the LH lane, perhaps in the middle of it though, rather than hugging the kerb to guard against possible overtakes while negotiating the RAB and to be more visible to joining traffic.
I understand that my point is though by hugging the right hand side it does look like ur going to do a U turn, cyclists often jump up pavements and do all sorts of things so its difficult to read them, It looks more like both lanes go right but you probably know it better than me, surely then as soon as you pass the first junction you should have been in the left hand lane, in the middle of it if you want to "control traffic" instead your hugging the right hand side of the right lane.
Yes both lanes do go right but planning ahead I'll favour the RH lane in readiness for the next piece of navigation. Off-camera you cannot see my hand signal indicating left to the van driver. I try to be as predictable as possible as an informed driver will be better able to work out where I'm going. The van driver most likely just had a SMIDSY moment, probably looking for cars further behind and so failed to see two cyclists. It happens.
u aimed for the van u went infront of him when u was in the right lane of the roundabout are u nuts ur gonna get urself killed..... dont try to prove a point to the van hes bigger u will get crushed!!
I did not aim for the van, nor was I trying to prove a point. However as traffic on the RAB has priority I proceeded as I would expect the van to yield. I am aware however that one should always expect the unexpected; and on the bike I always build in a safety margin to handle error of judgement from other road users. My friendly shout of 'hello' drew the driver's attention to my presence in a way to diffuse the situation. I know other riders may have shouted something else.
No, I was taking the roundabout planning on exiting into the middle lane, pretty much following the cyclist ahead of me. Traffic already on the roundabout has right of way and so the van should have waited. I'm prepared to believe it was just another case of SMIDSY though.
As a motorcyclist I hate white van drivers, almost been killed a few times by them but the one thing i hate more than anything is arrogant cyclists who don't know their place. you were on the inside of the roundabout, he was on the outside, from what i can see you felt angered that he entered the roundabout whilst you were on it and decided to shout "Hello" at him... you sir, are a cock.
tl;dr
op is a faggot
frabe81118 2 days ago
@frabe81118 oh can i highlight the fact that as soon as your cycling partner displayed a hand signal to exit the roundabout the white van stopped allowing both of you safe passage off the roundabout, and the reaction of the white van driver is spot on.. hand signal>stop>1 second later>"Hello"
frabe81118 2 days ago
you was in the wrong lane!
krazykizza 1 week ago
you guys really make a meal of people making very minor mistakes on the road. all this self righteous hand waving at the van is embarrassing.
scottishlad1987 1 week ago 3
@scottishlad1987
The thing is, a minor mistake may have a significant consequence. When you are not sitting inside a metal safety cage, this is something you become very aware of.
kmcyc 1 week ago
@scottishlad1987 And that "Minor Mistake" could end a Cyclists life.
TheShockingGrind 2 days ago
Cyclists need to stop posting every gay ass video they record!
kingdobbs1 4 weeks ago
How thick does he sound lol ''it's nice to be waved at init''
tel0j 1 month ago
so how com i pay road tax to the government, and its clearly labeled as fucking road tax you dick haahah, and ox131jf your adopted and also a jew, go die
xXxBigStuxXx 1 month ago
@xXxBigStuxXx
Not sure where you are looking for your labels but if you look on the Direct Gov UK website, they refer to it as "Vehicle Tax".
kmcyc 1 month ago
@xXxBigStuxXx You have anger issues ! Are you a dangerous person on the road with your outrageous attitude replies ? I have some advice for you ! Fill your bath up with warm water place your head under the water and breath deeply, after your lungs have filled with water you will pass out within 10 seconds. After this you will drown and the world will be a better place without you......Go on Sir put the plug in.
ian8354 2 weeks ago
@xXxBigStuxXx No, it's called VED, and it's an emissions based tax. Are you suggesting that people who don't pay VED aren't allowed to use the public highway?
CyclingMikey 2 weeks ago
hey is this ilford?
northwestlondon1 1 month ago
I would like to suggest helping other road users(car, vans, and truck) pull out of junctions or switch lanes when it's busy on the roads. This way other road users in your area will appreciate cyclists more because of how kind you can be. I've done that in my town and have noticed a massive difference when other road users see me or pass me with there cars.
4L3X4ND3R5 2 months ago
okokokok.. so the van was in the wrong as he should of gave way.. but damn you should know tht some people are fools.. nd moved out the way abit further
11moleman 2 months ago
Why don't you learn some lane discipline on your bike before you start having a go at other road users! Fucking 2-wheeled potential organ donors!
elsmeghead 2 months ago
my point is that as the video proves the do what the fuck they want, im a motorbike rider and i was attemptin to make a left turn did my checks and a cyclist come flying past me no caring for anyone else, being a smaller vehicle you observe for bigger vehicle, look in the highway code
xXxBigStuxXx 2 months ago
@xXxBigStuxXx
If you look in the Highway Code you will see that it says to "give priority to traffic approaching from your right" (Rule 185). This rule makes no reference to the size of the vehicle nor its power source.
kmcyc 2 months ago 2
@xXxBigStuxXx well then that's obviously justification for saying things like "who gives a fuck about cyclists". is this the kind of mentality people can expect from typical british road users? One cyclist does something wrong so immediately we're all careless idiots?
0snakebite 1 month ago
@xXxBigStuxXx one more thing "being a smaller vehicle you observe for bigger vehicle"? Everyone should be looking out for anything that could possibly be in their way or causing a hazard. That's why you have a pair of eyes and a brain. If people can't do that, they shouldn't be on the road
0snakebite 1 month ago 2
@xXxBigStuxXx Is that like the half of motorcycle riders that were found to be exceeding the speed limit in the bus lane trials? Exceeding the speed limit not just by a little bit, but by a huge amount.
CyclingMikey 2 weeks ago
who gives a fuck about cyclists, you dont pay any road tax like all of us other road users, and then you do something fucked up like that, YOU drove into the white van man not the other way round
xXxBigStuxXx 2 months ago
@xXxBigStuxXx Y do people bring in "i pay road tax you dont"? i f'in pay road tax! yeah its not fair on how much it is but y would cyclists pay it? they dont burn fuel like we do and thats y we pay it (b4 you say anything the rosd tax does not go on fixing roads e.t.c... hasn't done for a few years now).
dunailin 2 months ago
@xXxBigStuxXx
Road Tax does not exist, Winston Churchill abolished it in 1937. Vehicle owners pay VED based on their vehicle's emissions: Band A cars and cyclists are exempt. I own a Band K car and so pay more VED than most car owners, certainly more than motorbike owners. But taxation has nothing to do with road use. The van driver either didn't see or didn't care there were two cyclists already on the RAB to whom he should have given way.
kmcyc 2 months ago 8
@kmcyc ffs get a life you cunt.
dirtyarris 2 days ago
@xXxBigStuxXx you really are a moron
ox141jf 1 month ago
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SummerTheFuzzy 2 months ago
I think we all should wave at road users like yourself who don't pay road tax.
SummerTheFuzzy 2 months ago
@SummerTheFuzzy
Nobody pays road tax, Winston Churchill abolished it in 1937. Vehicle owners pay VED based on their vehicle's emissions. Band A cars and cyclists are exempt on that basis. However, as I own a Band K car I pay more VED than most car owners. But still, what has taxation got to do with failing to give way on a RAB?
kmcyc 2 months ago
I see exactly what you did there. 'Uh oh, the van pulled out a little too fast/far. So let's cut him off and give him a little scare to make him think about what he did.'
No other reason to do what you did. You're the asshole.
prod1gy3000 2 months ago
You are in the wrong lane pal!!!
39jennydog 2 months ago
Normally i back you 100% on your videos of your cycling, however i think that you might have tried to exit onto the wrong part of the road once you got past the roundabout.
Perhaps i'm wrong, (i haven't really been a driver for long..) but shouldn't you have exited onto the right side of that road?
Conzo798 2 months ago 3
@Conzo798
The exit road has essentially 3 lanes. Lane 1 is very wide and shortly becomes 2 lanes, which continue on after this junction down Ilford Hill towards the North Circular, where the majority of traffic, including myself will be heading. What is essentially lane 3 here will become the route that heads into Ilford itself. I came off the RAB preparing to move into lane 1 but I'm hardly going to move all the way across so abruptly having just left a junction.
kmcyc 2 months ago
I cycle to work 5 days a week and NEVER take roundabouts like this.You sir are a moron this is just asking for trouble not many cyclist ride at 30 mph and it looks like that includes you either keep up with the flow of traffic or dont get in peoples way it really is that simple
billboy1616 2 months ago
@billboy1616
Hmm, not many drivers take RAB's at 30 mph either. If I'm turning right on a RAB I tend to use the RH lane to avoid being taken out by a motorist leaving the RAB before I reach my exit. This RAB has only 2 exits unless you're making a u-turn and both lanes are legitimately available for taking the 2nd exit.
kmcyc 2 months ago
You pulled in front of the white van from the right hand lane as if to move in to the left hand lane, then as soon as you pass it, you move back into the right hand lane. Either use the road properly, or catch a bus.
Skable001 2 months ago
you had lots of time to react...he stopped and you continue to drive in his direction and drive into HIM? these bike videos are plain fucking stupid. yall think you own the road. You stick a camera on your helmet HOPING and TRYING to find a accident or stupid shit like this.
Smokie181 2 months ago
Why are you in the middle lane to go straight across? If you are turning off on the 1st or 2nd junction you stay in the left hand lane if you are going off at the 3rd or 4th then you stay in the right. The reason the van pulled out is that he assumed that, As a car would that you would continue round and not cut him up by crossing lanes!
midfielderlegend 2 months ago
@midfielderlegend
I am turning right. This RAB has 3 roads leading to it, including the one I came from. The van pulled out because he either didn't check the road properly or didn't care to give way to cyclists. He was heading for the road I came from so our paths were going to cross.
kmcyc 2 months ago
@kmcyc You are either stupid or just a bare faced liar. You came onto the r/about and went straight across. You passed one junction on your left and then you exited the r/about on the second. To leave at this junction you should be in the left lane. The only reason you should be in the lane that you were was if you were going to go all the way round about come back on your self.
midfielderlegend 2 months ago
@midfielderlegend
If you look at the approach there are straight on arrows painted on the road in both approach lanes, the LH lane also has a left arrow painted. The majority of traffic approaching from the road I arrived from will take the exit I used, from either the left or right hand lane. As I said before, the next exit would mean making a u-turn as there are only three roads at this junction.
kmcyc 2 months ago
@kmcyc And as for your comment "He was heading for the road I was"!!! you new what road you were heading for but no one else did. You were in the wrong lane and then decided it was ok to cross those lanes while you were on the r/about. You either think you own the road or just dont know how to ride or drive on it.
midfielderlegend 2 months ago
@midfielderlegend
The van used the RH lane on his approach road, which indicates that he planned on turning right and exiting the RAB using the road I approached from. You have mis-quoted me, if you care to read what I previously said which was "He was heading for the road I came from". What I would have liked was for him to yield to traffic already on the RAB as required by the Highway Code but I realise that many drivers don't see cyclists or realise they should yield when they have priority.
kmcyc 2 months ago
yeh and what lane were you in cyclist?!?!?
evilmeerkat007 2 months ago
why do cyclists feel as if they own the road by the way they trundle their pushbikes all over the roads cutting people up and acting like dicks when they get pulled up for it.
hashmonster2004 2 months ago
van didnt do anything wrong
he was in left lane leavin 1st exit, u 2 were in second lane leaving same exit but in the right hand lane
but for some reson u bouth shot over to the left lane, calm down mate
GSFJamie600 2 months ago
@GSFJamie600
The van was going to take his 2nd exit, which would have been a u-turn for me as this RAB has only 3 exits. He failed to check the road properly and he failed to give way to traffic already on the RAB.
kmcyc 2 months ago
About 2 seconds in you see the van pull out into traffic. At 7 seconds in you drive into him and shout. Traffic laws can be what they are but common sense says to not drive into solid objects.
hockeyarmadillo 2 months ago
you deserve to get hit, you make other cyclist look bad faggot
nelson4568 2 months ago 2
@nelson4568 Wait a second? Someone cycling for whatever reason, deserves to get hit. And possibly killed, because they make it 'look bad' That's wrong, Sorry but i don't think that in anyway, Your entitled to your opinion, But when it possibly involves someone dying from another road user. It should be kept in your head
uwersayin 2 months ago
@uwersayin i never said dying, I said hit, as in hit during the situation the cyclist recorded...from such a low end speed the impact would have just knocked his fey patty ass off the bike and made him learn to respect and share the road with others, and follow the rules, in stead of cut across multiple lanes of traffic, nearly get hit by a van, and piss and moan like the pussy he is and claim he was almost "killed"
nelson4568 2 months ago
You cut the roundabout mate. Your fault
glasgowtommy 2 months ago
looks like the van hit brakes around 0:05 and cyclist stupid more coming closer to the left lane.. should of stayed right lane and if you want to go left lane you need to signal infront of the van driver first so you know he see's you .. not quickly nudge for the spot ..
awhatzable 3 months ago 2
where do u live i see ur videos are local to me
dwarf350bhp 3 months ago
Genuine question: I thought I was taught that cyclists should always go around the outside of a roundabout, the same as mobility scooters. Is this not true?
mickymorrison 3 months ago
@mickymorrison
No, it is not a requirement for a cyclist to ride the outside of RAB's, although the Highway Code advises it. The advice goes on to say that you should take care when passing exits where of course you'll be conflicting with other traffic. Like others, I find it safer to take a more usual line and use the middle or RH lane if not taking the 1st exit.
kmcyc 3 months ago
i'm a biker, you're just an idiot..!!
73Xtian 3 months ago
@73Xtian
For? Riding on a RAB? For having priority over the van?
kmcyc 3 months ago
@kmcyc anticipate a little with traffic mate.. don't switch lane just to cut off a van or car or whatever for your own pleasure.. if would have stayed on your lane for about three seconds longer there would have been no problem!!
73Xtian 3 months ago
@73Xtian
I was heading for that exit, had I stayed right for 3 more seconds the van may have carried on and blocked my exit, forcing me to take a trip around the RAB, confusing other drivers and creating more danger. Anticipate traffic. That's great. How about the van driver looking and anticipating where I'm going to be and giving way to traffic already on the RAB? Had he waited where he should have there would have been no problem.
kmcyc 3 months ago
You should have been ran over then, you were in his lane and had view of him pulling into it from a great distance. Your in the wrong not him... i would have done a fair bit more than wave at you if you pulled out into my van...
Gazjohnful 3 months ago
@Gazjohnful
What? Traffic joining a roundabout is obliged to give way to traffic already on it. Have you not read the Highway Code?
kmcyc 3 months ago
i think that these arguments can be settled with.....WHO CARES
ellwrox 3 months ago
Is the guy in the van supposed to be psychic? He stopped didn't he? That is after the cyclists finally made their minds up which lane they wanted. Uploader gets a helmet camera then scores an own goal with this one.
musical2 3 months ago
@musical2
Not psychic, observant would do. I was making a clear signal that I was turning right, so how come he pulled onto the roundabout, when the Highway Code requires him to give way to traffic already on it?
kmcyc 3 months ago
HELLO!!
churd243 3 months ago
I was almost knocked off my bike in exactly the same place last summer by a white van driver. I also believe he did it on purpose. That roundabout at Winston Way needs redesigning so it's cycle friendly.
m0bob 3 months ago
@m0bob
Sorry to hear about your accident. I hope you weren't badly hurt and that your bike was ok. That RAB is often an attention grabber isn't it?
kmcyc 3 months ago
Idiot bike rider, get off our roads
Verity12ful 3 months ago
@Verity12ful
"Our roads"? Public roads? Roads that as a member of the public I'm entitled to ride on? In safety? Hmm, try reading the Highway Code and applying it to the way you choose to use the roads.
kmcyc 3 months ago 8
idiot, he pulled in to the left lane, you was in the right lane then when you seen him pull into the left lane you decide to pull in and drive at him. i think white vans are idiots, but in this video your the idiot! i think you deliberately ride like an idiot just so you can put the clips on youtube. no wonder bikers have a bad name!
videogameaddic1001 3 months ago 2
@videogameaddic1001
He should not have entered the RAB, he should have waited for me to pass. I had no idea if he was going to stop at all. It could have been that he simply didn't see me but whatever the reason for him being there, I still had to negotiate him somehow and took a line that provided me with options whatever he chose to do.
kmcyc 3 months ago
@kmcyc yeah but he stopped in the left because he seen you in the right lane, so then you decide to ride at him for it.
videogameaddic1001 3 months ago
@kmcyc so the line that gave you the most options involved you riding straight at him lol
jetisl77 3 months ago
@jetisl77
Not knowing whether I would need to pass the van to my left or to my right and to maximise my options what else would you suggest?
kmcyc 3 months ago
@kmcyc stop?
jetisl77 3 months ago
@jetisl77
Yes a possibility for sure. Although stopping on a RAB is ill advised given that traffic joining it is generally expected to stop and wait for it to be clear beforehand.
kmcyc 3 months ago
@kmcyc no the guy in the van did totally the wrong thing pulling out on you like that, i think you are very brave being out on a bike on todays roads. i have watched a few of your vids now and it will defo make me take more care out on the roads when i am driving (not that i am a bad driver i think).Take care out there mate.
jetisl77 3 months ago
@jetisl77
No problem, thanks for your comments. I'm glad my videos have made you pause for a moment and think about your driving, no matter how good and considerate you are - and I'm sure you are both. Be safe yourself. :)
kmcyc 3 months ago
@videogameaddic1001 A vehicle (car/bus/lorry/motorbike/cyclist) can change lanes on a roundabout, it's legal and a normal function of their design. Vehicles waiting to enter the roundabout have to give way to vehicles from the right.
jonredhornet 3 months ago
@jonredhornet yeah but the cyclist could of just stayed in the lane he was in for an extra second then went into the left lane after the van instead of driving at him and making a big deal out of nothing.
videogameaddic1001 3 months ago
@videogameaddic1001 u give way to the right ass-clown, or are you autistic and can't read your road guide? its more like motorists have a bad name because they're fukin blind as anything or is it harry potter where every cyclist has an invisibility cloak, u thinking 'I wish', u wont be when i key your car then sprint off at 30+ in a cycle lane past a RAB then into a neighbourhood XD
straatman12345 3 months ago
@straatman12345 yes and the van stopped after he seen him, yes he was over the give way line, but he was in the left lane and the bike was in the right lane, so the van stopped so he didn't hit the cyclist. and that's funny seen as tho i don't even have a car
videogameaddic1001 3 months ago
@videogameaddic1001 pfft i dont have a car either, im 16, but we both know he was about to receive a sending by the van :/
straatman12345 3 months ago
poster, why were you trying to go from the right hand lane of the roundabout to the left lane of the exit while there was a van in your way? you drove at him, not the other way around.
jacksonjdr94 3 months ago
@jacksonjdr94
He drove onto the RAB while there was traffic on it, when he should have given way and stopped before the give-way line. Not being sure where he was going or if he was going to stop I took a line that gave me options to go either in front or behind.
kmcyc 3 months ago
fucking cyclists you bunch of cunts. you are a gimp.
Blackwell000 3 months ago
bike wankers!!!
MrStraight2hell 3 months ago
@762SLR762
He stopped on the RAB, having failed to wait at the give way line. How could I know that he was going to stop at all? I made sure I had options in case he didn't. Again I ask the question, would this have happened if I were in my car?
kmcyc 4 months ago
The reason the van pulls out is because the left hand lane is clear. Why does the lead cyclist start in the right hand lane and moves left instead of using the left hand lane ? His road positioning is terrible for a motor vehicle let alone a vunerable cyclist. You on the other hand start in the right hand lane and stay there apart from trying to prove some sort of point by aiming at the van. Are you a super cyclist who can maintain the speed of the ouside lane or just bloody minded ?
shauniebabes 4 months ago 22
@shauniebabes
Give way to traffic already on the RAB means give way. Not pull out a bit then stop and see if anything's coming.
This RAB has 3 exits: 1 = left, 2 = right, 3 = u-turn. Which lane would you pick for a right turn? As a vulnerable road user, I'm well aware that road positioning is very important for my safety.
kmcyc 4 months ago
@kmcyc
the right hand exit isn't far enough round the roundabout to be considered a right hand turn. Its straight ahead. The left hand lane is the correct to exit in the left hand lane. If the first exit really was for left turns only then its impossible for the van to cut anybody up by pulling across the give way line..
shauniebabes 4 months ago
@shauniebabes I agree, it was obvious he aimed for the white van as he came round. Its a shame they don't make cyclists take a test before being allowed on the roads, this guy would have failed.
gibbsthebeardie 3 months ago
@gibbsthebeardie
You and shauniebabes are clearly familiar with this RAB and experts on cycling around it. What is it with you? Traffic joining a RAB must give way to traffic already on it. The van had already failed to yield to the rider ahead of me and carried on as I approached. BTW, I've held a car licence for 23 years, a motorbike licence for 8 years and have been cycling for 15. It's not as if I just got up that morning and went "I've got a good idea...!"
kmcyc 3 months ago
@kmcyc I agree fully, the Van driver entered when he shouldnt have, however you see him slow down instead of accelerating onto the RAB when he realises jis mistake. Your actions when you saw this happening was to move out of right lane into the direct path of the Van to prove some sort of point. We all clearly saw him enter the RAB long before you reach him, so the correct action would have been to stay in the right lane until you were passed him, not swerve into the left lane in front of him
gibbsthebeardie 3 months ago 2
@762SLR762
If I had gone further to the right, would the driver have stopped? I saved the space to my right for an escape had they not realised they were going to cause a collision. If necessary I could have used that space to carry on around and do a full lap of the RAB. Why was it that the driver failed to spot not just me but the rider ahead of me too? We were both in full view and he had plenty of time to stop behind the give-way line.
kmcyc 4 months ago
@762SLR762
This RAB has 3 exits, it controls what is effectively a T-Junction: 1 = Left, 2 = Right, 3 = U-Turn. Both of us cycling take the same line, only by the time I get there the van driver is already half-way into the RAB, failing to observe and/or yield correctly. Had they done so, they would have been behind the give-way line at their entrance to the RAB, in which case there would have been "NO ISSUE". If there is traffic already on the RAB you want to enter: give way. Simple.
kmcyc 4 months ago
@762SLR762
Highway Code Rule 185 begins with "When reaching the roundabout you should give priority to traffic approaching from your right".
Being I and the other cyclist were traffic and approaching from the van driver's right, he should have given way.
I am not interested in getting into a ruck, simply to my destination. Sadly there are too many drivers who fail to recognise that cyclists have as much right to a safe journey as anyone else on the road.
kmcyc 4 months ago
this is Ilford isnt it. im not surprised, the place is full of c**nts
chickenface14 5 months ago
Drivers should know this, at roundabouts you give way to anyone coming from your right. Where did the cyclists come from? That's right, the right. Drivers fault if there was an accident.
TemperatureIndicator 5 months ago
Driver should have given way, cyclist was already on the rab, and as such has the right of way regardless of whether he is changing lanes or not, especially as the van was not taking the first exit. He failed to give way to the cyclist = his fault 100%.
tantorecords 5 months ago
It looks like you changed lanes while making that turn, and the van was in the lane way before you. maybe I'm missing something here. The law on this side of the pond is usually that you can't change lanes in an intersection.
CaptainCocaine 6 months ago
@CaptainCocaine
It's a roundabout. You approach in the RH lane typically when you want to turn right. You have to change to the LH lane to exit the roundabout. I'm signalling my intention to the driver who by law must yield to traffic already on the roundabout. I know there aren't many roundabouts on your side of the pond but they always worry me when I'm there as not many folks know how to use them over there.
kmcyc 5 months ago 6
@kmcyc That's a really weird looking roundabout. I live in Maryland which seems to be one of the first states to adopt them, because we have quite a few, surprisingly. But not very many dual-lane roundabouts, I'll admit.
CaptainCocaine 5 months ago
@CaptainCocaine
Larger RAB's here can have 3 or more lanes, we are taught how to cross lanes when learning to drive. I apply the same principles when I cycle, having the confidence and speed to do so.
I once drove through MD staying at Ocean City en route from Williamsburg VA to Lancaster PA via the Chesapeake Bay Bridge Tunnel. Can't say I recall any RAB's but I'm sure they're there. 4-Way Stop Signs puzzle me and always take a bit of getting used to when I visit the States.
kmcyc 5 months ago
@kmcyc I think they started popping up about 6 or 7 years ago in southern Maryland. It's been a slow transition, but every once in a while I hear someone from out-of-state complaining about being confused by them. I guess it's all in what you're used to.
CaptainCocaine 5 months ago
@CaptainCocaine
I've travelled up and down the East and West coasts of America by road and found a number of roundabouts along the way in a number of States. The locals usually seem to have got the hang of them but watch out for those with out of state plates! It only takes a little while each time I visit America to get the hang of 4-Way Stop Signs, I simply pretend they're mini-roundabouts from the UK. The principle seems to be the same: 1st to arrive, 1st to leave.
kmcyc 5 months ago
@kmcyc There is no law stating you have to change to the left hand lane to exit. In this example, two lanes on the RAB also form directly into two lanes on your exit road, so you may continue in the right hand lane. If I've misunderstood you, another view - in this situation yes, you have to CROSS the left lane on the RAB to exit, but as the van was CLEARLY remaining and exiting into the left hand lane, no safety issue with you exiting right, and him entering and exiting left at the same time.
JulianShagworthy 4 months ago
@CaptainCocaine you can change lanes in a roundabout....otherwise they would be pointless and would have only one lane. Remember the scene from national lampoons europe vacation! HA
aglandcattleman 4 months ago
@aglandcattleman The vid poster already got me on this one. I couldn't see that he was signalling his lane change before the van entered the roundabout. I'm also not that up on multi-lane RAB rules, as I usually only see single lane RABs here in the states.
LOL!! I actually DO remember that scene, and I think I've only seen half of the movie about 15 years ago. Classic.
CaptainCocaine 4 months ago
Man, you're one antagonistic cyclist.
whosurdaddysuperfly 6 months ago
rule,s of the road, you must enter a RAB on the left
MsSkinny777 8 months ago
@MsSkinny777
Highway Code Rule 77
You may feel safer walking your cycle round on the pavement or verge. If you decide to ride round keeping to the left-hand lane you should be aware that drivers may not easily see you take extra care when cycling across exits. You may need to signal right to show you are not leaving the roundabout watch out for vehicles crossing your path to leave or join the roundabout.
kmcyc 8 months ago
@MsSkinny777
This rule says "you may decide" and "if". It does not say "must". It's the only rule I could find in the Highway Code that applies specifically to cyclists approaching roundabouts. Please feel free to quote any Highway Code rules that I may have missed on this subject. Until then, I will continue to approach RAB's in the RH lane if I am turning right, as that seems the safest option to me. I'll be more visible, predictable and I won't have to cycle through traffic leaving it.
kmcyc 8 months ago
enter the roundabout on the left then you are nearest the exit , learn the rule's of the road.
MsSkinny777 8 months ago
@MsSkinny777
Enter the RAB on the left to turn right? Hmm, doesn't sound too clever to me. I'm well aware of the rules of the road, I've cycled this RAB every day for over 5 years. Turning right, arrive in the RH lane, signal clearly my intention. Give way to traffic already on the RAB. Oh, hang on, that rule applies to the van driver in this case!
kmcyc 8 months ago
@kmcyc
Yeah have to say, "left"-ing it all the way around a roundabout can be dangerous enough when cars do it, but would be pretty suicidal if a cyclist did it. Especially if it was a busy/fast roundabout (like linking DCways etc)
cl998 6 months ago
An your problem here is what?
mbds42 8 months ago
@pp0u1110 londoners- no contest= arrogant ,thick nob ends the lot of them
toonmag50 1 year ago
If you kept more lane discipline the van driver might have an idea what you are doing, you go from hugging the right hand side of the roundabout right across this guy, he probably thought you were going all the way round. Question did you indicate you were turning left off the round about?
catdog1121 1 year ago
@catdog1121
I take the same lines here day after day to manage traffic behind and in front and yes I make sure I give clear signals entering and exiting the RAB. What is more likely the case is that the van driver did not see me. Regardless of the hi-viz gear I wear, it is all too common that drivers look only for other drivers and fail to see motorbikes and cyclists that are much closer to them.
kmcyc 1 year ago
@kmcyc
Im sorry there is no hiding the fact you clearly cut the roundabout, I dont know what was coming up ahead but you both ended up in the middle of the dual carriage way.... My main point though was if you wanted to take the second exit you should have been hugging the left hand side of the right lane not cutting the corner at the roundabout. I agree the van was pushing his luck and most drivers would have anticipated your poor lane discipline but that still doesn't forgive it though.
catdog1121 1 year ago
@catdog1121
Ah! I understand! FYI this RAB has only 2 exits, unless you U-Turn. It controls a large T-Junction: 2nd exit is right, 1st exit is left. So I move to the RH lane on approach and merge left on exit, as the traffic I must cross by rights should yield.
If it was a normal RAB I would most likely approach in the LH lane, perhaps in the middle of it though, rather than hugging the kerb to guard against possible overtakes while negotiating the RAB and to be more visible to joining traffic.
kmcyc 1 year ago
@kmcyc
I understand that my point is though by hugging the right hand side it does look like ur going to do a U turn, cyclists often jump up pavements and do all sorts of things so its difficult to read them, It looks more like both lanes go right but you probably know it better than me, surely then as soon as you pass the first junction you should have been in the left hand lane, in the middle of it if you want to "control traffic" instead your hugging the right hand side of the right lane.
catdog1121 1 year ago
@catdog1121
Yes both lanes do go right but planning ahead I'll favour the RH lane in readiness for the next piece of navigation. Off-camera you cannot see my hand signal indicating left to the van driver. I try to be as predictable as possible as an informed driver will be better able to work out where I'm going. The van driver most likely just had a SMIDSY moment, probably looking for cars further behind and so failed to see two cyclists. It happens.
kmcyc 1 year ago
u aimed for the van u went infront of him when u was in the right lane of the roundabout are u nuts ur gonna get urself killed..... dont try to prove a point to the van hes bigger u will get crushed!!
punkchipmonk 1 year ago
@punkchipmonk
I did not aim for the van, nor was I trying to prove a point. However as traffic on the RAB has priority I proceeded as I would expect the van to yield. I am aware however that one should always expect the unexpected; and on the bike I always build in a safety margin to handle error of judgement from other road users. My friendly shout of 'hello' drew the driver's attention to my presence in a way to diffuse the situation. I know other riders may have shouted something else.
kmcyc 1 year ago
sure as hell seems dangerous to go cycling on those busy streets
caparzo2142 1 year ago
were you aiming for him?
caparzo2142 1 year ago
@caparzo2142
No, I was taking the roundabout planning on exiting into the middle lane, pretty much following the cyclist ahead of me. Traffic already on the roundabout has right of way and so the van should have waited. I'm prepared to believe it was just another case of SMIDSY though.
kmcyc 1 year ago