S.S Dhoolka {Nakli Nihang Drinking & Eating Meat}

[nindasingh]

Some Sikhs are mistakenly referred to as the "Taliban", however, calling these individuals the Taliban would be no mistake.

If anyone is wondering why the Sikh freedom movement of the 80's and 90's failed, it was because of violent assholes like these.

[kindamann1]

Bole So Nihal ,Sat SHRI Akal !!!! jeeunde raho veero !!! isse tranha sewa kari jawo !!ik din aapan Badal da v ihi haal karna aa !!

[03jassi]

bohut sohna kum ker rahe ho tusi waheguru satnaam jiyo chuk deyo sab nu dera waale nu v pehla chuko

[KillinDaWelfareMCs]

eating meat in not prohibited in Sikhi Maryada. Only hindhus who think they are sikhs believe in this ahimsa BS.

[UcchaDarBabeNanakDa]

@KillinDaWelfareMCs Meat is prohibited in Sikhism. It is not necessary we have to do the opposite of everything Hindus do. Get a life.

[KillinDaWelfareMCs]

@UcchaDarBabeNanakDa BS. read the rehat maryada. What does it say about meat. It says "kutha" meat. Which is ritually sacrificed meat. You fool do you think the khalsa armies were eating saag and maki roti when living in the jungles?

[UcchaDarBabeNanakDa]

@KillinDaWelfareMCs Since Sikhs have started cutting Kesh in this century a lot, would it be a benchmark for the Sikhs of next century?

I'm sure those who starved earned more Karma than who preferred eating sacrificed animals.

You're, sure, open to do anything. It's what you, hence, do, that decides what you get. (You reap what you sow).

[KillinDaWelfareMCs]

@UcchaDarBabeNanakDa no because It is against the Rehat Maryada. It is not about what sikhs want to do. It is what the hukam is. Have you ever read the Maryada? if not you should. If all meat is banned why does is specifically ban only sacrificial meat. Meat slaughtered in the muslim way?

[UcchaDarBabeNanakDa]

@KillinDaWelfareMCs Being a vegetarian is not against the Rehat Maryada. Also, when I said sacrificial meant, I meant the way "you" prefer "for Sikhs" (not Halal).

Give me one line from Guru Granth Sahib Jee, Bhai Gurdass Jee's Varans that say that you can eat meat.

I can give you countless that say that you shouldn't.

Be humble, brother. Learn how to talk.

[KillinDaWelfareMCs]

@UcchaDarBabeNanakDa Sacrificial meat is meat that is offered to God to please God. This includes hallal and kosher ect. The way that Sikhs process meat is not sacrificial. We do not offer it to God to please him as per our undstanding of the Akals nature.

Why does it have to say you can eat meat? It does not say anywhere in the Guru Granth Sahib Maharaj, or the Varans or else where that you can wear pants, drive a car eat paneer, or soybean product. So are all of those things disallowed too?

[UcchaDarBabeNanakDa]

@KillinDaWelfareMCs Driving a car is not mention. Eating paneer or not is not mentioned. Soyabean products are not mentioned.

But NOT killing animals for the purpose of tongue's pleasure or to please God IS mentioned.

[KillinDaWelfareMCs]

@UcchaDarBabeNanakDa I can provide you with the correct understanding behind the out of context examples you present.

Humans have been in favour with God for millennia without having to be vegetarians, Jesus, Muhammed, the prophets of the west...all. None of them believed in vegetarianism. How did they become pleasing to god? Bahgat Farid was a muslim ate meat during his life! Bhagat Sadhna was a butcher yet you bow to his bani everyday! GHarGobindji was a avid hunter. Khalsa armies ate meat.

[UcchaDarBabeNanakDa]

@KillinDaWelfareMCs Whatever may be the practice in other religions.

Guru Gobind Singh Jee (that's how you call them, not "GHarGobindji") "blessed" the animals.

Sikhs ate meat when they were trapped inside Quilas (forts) with enemies awaiting them outside, and when Sikhs were in jungles, sleeping on horse saddles. They were in a situation. Engaged to let the Panth survive a challenge. You're at home and sleep on a bed.

More on this in next comment...

[KillinDaWelfareMCs]

@UcchaDarBabeNanakDa blessed the animals? First of all. I am Talking about Guru Hargobind Rai ji. Secondly Are you suggesting then that the rest of Guru jis hunting party was commiting a Maha pap and Guruji just allowed it. Guru Ji did not hunt alone. Neither Guru Gobind Singhji not Guru Hargobind Rai ji. Infact Guru Hargobind Rai ji hunted with The Mugal Emperor. Are you saying Guruji facilitated his Sikhs&Emperor committing a mahapap? Or did the Sikhs and Emperor also "bless" the animals?

[UcchaDarBabeNanakDa]

@KillinDaWelfareMCs Why're you assuming so many things about what I meant and what I did not?

Coming back to the topic,

ਕਬੀਰ ਭਾਂਗ ਮਾਛੁਲੀ ਸੁਰਾ ਪਾਨਿ ਜੋ ਜੋ ਪ੍ਰਾਨੀ ਖਾਂਹਿ ॥ ਤੀਰਥ ਬਰਤ ਨੇਮ ਕੀਏ, ਤੇ ਸਭੈ ਰਸਾਤਲਿ ਜਾਂਹਿ ॥233॥ {ਅੰਗ 1377}

Kabeer, those mortals who consume marijuana, fish and wine

- no matter what pilgrimages, fasts and rituals they follow, they will all go to hell. ॥233॥

You can of course dodge this too. Since you are on the other side.

[KillinDaWelfareMCs]

@UcchaDarBabeNanakDa So apparently no north american Inuit can ever reach to the Akal. Their diet is based on fish. There is no farming in the Arctic. God created a ppl who's diet is based on the sea just to send them to hell?

We know for a fact that Khalsa armies used Marijuana as medicine during and after battle. Apparently all those Singh Soormay Shaheeds went to hell too!

Reading this literally without context is like the quote about the buttered bread one By Baba Farid.

[UcchaDarBabeNanakDa]

@KillinDaWelfareMCs God has created two sides of everything. That is how there is a balance in world. :)

I have seen people in your so called Khalsa Army swearing on mothers and sisters. Would you be inspired to do that too?

[UcchaDarBabeNanakDa]

@KillinDaWelfareMCs I have to do some work. Have a good day.

May God bless us both. Please pray for me.

[UcchaDarBabeNanakDa]

@KillinDaWelfareMCs

ਜੇਕਰਿ ਉਧਰੀ ਪੂਤਨਾ ਵਿਹੁ ਪੀਆਲਣੁ ਕੰਮੁ ਨ ਚੰਗਾ।

If even Pfitana (female demon) got liberated that does not mean that poisoning some one is a good act.

ਗਨਿਕਾ ਉਧਰੀ ਆਖੀਐ ਪਰ ਘਰਿ ਜਾਇ ਨ ਲਈਐ ਪੰਗਾ।

Gariika (a prostitute) was liberated but one should not enter other's house and invite trouble.

ਬਾਲਮੀਕੁ ਨਿਸਤਾਰਿਆ ਮਾਰੈ ਵਾਟ ਨ ਹੋਇ ਨਿਸੰਗਾ।

Since Valmlici got blest, one should not adopt the way of highway robbery.

[UcchaDarBabeNanakDa]

@KillinDaWelfareMCs

ਫੰਧਿਕ ਉਧਰੈ ਆਖੀਅਨਿ ਫਾਹੀ ਪਾਇ ਨ ਫੜੀਐ ਟੰਗਾ।

One bird catcher is also said to be liberated, but we should not catch hold of the leg of others by using snares.

ਪਾਰਿ ਉਤਾਰੈ ਬੋਹਿਥਾ ਸੁਇਨਾ ਲੋਹੁ ਨਾਹੀ ਇਕ ਰੰਗਾ।

Ship takes across both iron and gold but still their forms and colours are not the same.

ਇਤੁ ਭਰਵਾਸੈ ਰਹਣੁ ਕੁਢੰਗਾ ॥੯॥

In fact, living on such hopes is a bad life style.

- Vaar 21 Pauri 9

[UcchaDarBabeNanakDa]

@KillinDaWelfareMCs I skipped one line from the vaar, to mention it specifically:

ਜੇ ਕਾਸਾਈ ਉਧਰਿਆ ਜੀਆ ਘਾਇ ਨ ਖਾਈਐ ਭੰਗਾ।

If Sadhana, the butcher got across (the world ocean), we should not put ourselves to harm by killing others.

- Vaar 21 Pauri 9

[UcchaDarBabeNanakDa]

@KillinDaWelfareMCs And finally, Bhagat Farid Jee were a vegetarian.

ਫਰੀਦਾ ਰੋਟੀ ਮੇਰੀ ਕਾਠ ਕੀ ਲਾਵਣੁ ਮੇਰੀ ਭੁਖ ॥

Fareed, my bread is made of wood it satisfies my hunger

ਜਿਨਾ ਖਾਧੀ ਚੋਪੜੀ ਘਣੇ ਸਹਨਿਗੇ ਦੁਖ ॥੨੮॥

Those who eat bread full of butter, will suffer in terrible pain. ||28||

ਰੁਖੀ ਸੁਖੀ ਖਾਇ ਕੈ ਠੰਢਾ ਪਾਣੀ ਪੀਉ ॥

Eat dry bread, and drink cold water.

ਫਰੀਦਾ ਦੇਖਿ ਪਰਾਈ ਚੋਪੜੀ ਨਾ ਤਰਸਾਏ ਜੀਉ ॥੨੯॥

Fareed, if you see someone else's buttered bread, do not envy him for it. ||29||

[KillinDaWelfareMCs]

@UcchaDarBabeNanakDa Oh so every Gurdrawa in the world is sending the sangat into terrible pain because they serve chopri roti uh? Why do they do it? Why do you not eat dry unbuttered roti. Bhagatji has clearly stated that you are going to suffer terrible pain. Also he does not renounce meat here. You are adding words. Looks like meat eaters and eaters of buttered roti are in the same boat lol. I am being sarcastic. More proof Gurbani is not to be literally interpreted but read in context.

[UcchaDarBabeNanakDa]

@KillinDaWelfareMCs I'll say it too. It might help you. Gurbani is not to be literally interpreted but read in context.

[KillinDaWelfareMCs]

@UcchaDarBabeNanakDa u can't pick and choose to say ignore this bit about the buttered bread...but take literally the 5 lines in the whole of the 1430 pages of Gurubani about meat.

Fact is food is about nutrition, and nothing else.

[UcchaDarBabeNanakDa]

@KillinDaWelfareMCs I did NOT take it literally. I did NOT say to eat 'kaatth di roti' and 'unchopri roti'. I did NOT take it literally. The shabad means to explain how to be content with what you have got, and not desire for any further worldly pleasures.

[UcchaDarBabeNanakDa]

@KillinDaWelfareMCs What a wonderful message Bhagat Fareed Ji is reciting about gaining santokh.

Please mind saying anything that comes to mind derogatorily.

[KillinDaWelfareMCs]

@UcchaDarBabeNanakDa You clearly know very little about it because you think I'm saying the Maryada says sikhs are allowed to eat sacrificial meat!!! WRONG!! It bans it!! And no...the ones who had Gurus favor are the ones who kept themselves strong for battle instead of starving to death. You have no knowledge on this topic. REad Guru Granth Sahib, meditate, read Bhai gurdass varans and the Rehat maryada...then perhaps you will be able to discuss this further.

[UcchaDarBabeNanakDa]

@KillinDaWelfareMCs

ਜੀਅ ਬਧਹੁ ਸੁ ਧਰਮੁ ਕਿਰ ਥਾਪਹੁ ਅਧਰਮੁ ਕਹਹੁ ਕਤ ਭਾਈ ॥

ਆਪਸ ਕਉ ਮੁਿਨਵਰ ਕਿਰ ਥਾਪਹੁ ਕਾ ਕਉ ਕਹਹੁ ਕਸਾਈ ॥੨॥

"You kill living beings, and call it a righteous action.

Tell me, brother, what would you call an unrighteous action?

You call yourself the most excellent sage; then who would you call a butcher?"

[KillinDaWelfareMCs]

@UcchaDarBabeNanakDa every one of these shabads have to be read in context as to who the author is addressing. Bagat ji here is adressing Muslims who sacrifice animals to God in order to please god. Everyone knows you can not offer anything to god which is already his. This is against the understanding of the very nature of the Akal Purakh.

[KillinDaWelfareMCs]

@UcchaDarBabeNanakDa so killing living beings is always wrong? Too bad that Guru Gobind Singh and all of his khalsa didn't know that then! They not only killed animals...but brace urself..Humans too!!

[UcchaDarBabeNanakDa]

@KillinDaWelfareMCs I think you should ask these questions to Gurus and Bhagats who wrote the Banis. "Hatya" is a kind of papa (Sin). Hatya is when you kill someone for reasons besides defense (and there are deeper explanations and definitions).

[UcchaDarBabeNanakDa]

@KillinDaWelfareMCs

ਬੇਦ ਕਤੇਬ ਕਹਹੁ ਮਤ ਝੂਠੇ ਝੂਠਾ ਜੋ ਨ ਬਿਚਾਰੈ ॥

ਜਉ ਸਭ ਮਹਿ ਏਕੁ ਖੁਦਾਇ ਕਹਤ ਹਉ ਤਉ ਕਿਉ ਮੁਰਗੀ ਮਾਰੈ ॥੧॥

"Do not say that the Vedas, the Bible and the Koran are false. Those who do not contemplate them are false.

You say that the One Lord is in all, so why do you kill chickens? ||1||"

srigranth(dot)org/servlet/gurb­ani.gurbani?Action=KeertanPage­&K=1350&L=5&Lang=1&I=8818

[KillinDaWelfareMCs]

@UcchaDarBabeNanakDa Again...explaining to the person involved in ritual sacrifice that killing animlas to please god makes no sense if God is infact all in all. How can you offer a creation of God to God? Makes no sense.

[UcchaDarBabeNanakDa]

@KillinDaWelfareMCs

ਕਬੀਰ, ਜੀਅ ਜੁ ਮਾਰਹਿ ਜੋਰੁ ਕਰਿ; ਕਹਤੇ ਹਹਿ ਜੁ ਹਲਾਲੁ ॥

ਦਫਤਰੁ ਦਈ ਜਬ ਕਾਢਿ ਹੈ; ਹੋਇਗਾ ਕਉਨੁ ਹਵਾਲੁ? ॥੧੯੯॥

"Kabeer, they oppress living beings and kill them, and call it proper.

When the Lord calls for their account, what will their condition be? (199)"

[KillinDaWelfareMCs]

@UcchaDarBabeNanakDa Again...talking about Halal (animals sacrificed to please God, and offered to God..."kehey hia Ju hallal"

[UcchaDarBabeNanakDa]

@KillinDaWelfareMCs When did Halal being right or wrong become the topic of our discussion?

If Kabir Jee are mentioning a person who sacrifices animals the Halal way, how do you know they are not talking about Sikhs doing the same. It's the same thing to kill an animal, in any way. You're just killing it.

[KillinDaWelfareMCs]

@UcchaDarBabeNanakDa Sikhs do not do it that way. Only muslims do. It is not the same thing to kill a animal. If it was the REhat maryada would not specify Ritually sacrificed (kosher,hallal ect) as being the only type banned, The difference is in understanding the potency of GOD. Muslims do not understand it because they feel God can be offered a goat to please him. We know God is everything hence offering God something that is already Gods makes no sense. That is the lesson.

[UcchaDarBabeNanakDa]

@KillinDaWelfareMCs Kabir Jee say that killing animals is wrong, too, for whatever purpose. You're only subscribing to the part of the meaning that you want to speak about.

[UcchaDarBabeNanakDa]

@KillinDaWelfareMCs

ਕੂੜੁ ਬੋਲਿ ਮੁਰਦਾਰੁ ਖਾਇ ॥

Telling lies, they eat dead bodies.

ਅਵਰੀ ਨੋ ਸਮਝਾਵਣਿ ਜਾਇ ॥

And yet, they go out to teach others.

ਮੁਠਾ ਆਪਿ ਮੁਹਾਏ ਸਾਥੈ ॥

They are deceived, and they deceive their companions.

ਨਾਨਕ ਐਸਾ ਆਗੂ ਜਾਪੈ ॥੧॥

O Nanak, such are the leaders of men. ||1||

[KillinDaWelfareMCs]

@UcchaDarBabeNanakDa This shabad is about being truthful. Guruji makes a parallel between lying and cannibalism to just show how contemptible lying is.

[UcchaDarBabeNanakDa]

@KillinDaWelfareMCs I guess you are right. All the Gurus, Bhagats, Gurmukhs and True Saints of the Akal Purakh are wrong.

[KillinDaWelfareMCs]

@UcchaDarBabeNanakDa no..none of the Guru's, bhagats and True saints made the claims you are making. You my friend are under the influence of Hinduism. A belief that has made the khalsa impotent. Hindhuism has so infiltrated Sikhi that 95% of amritdhari sikhs don't even know what the kakars really are. Let alone understand the path of Guru Gobind Singh ji and the khalsa.

[UcchaDarBabeNanakDa]

@KillinDaWelfareMCs Are you Amritdhari?

[UcchaDarBabeNanakDa]

@KillinDaWelfareMCs Since Guru Nanak Sahib Jee have said in Shabad on Ang 1289 *you told me in private message!) that fools argue over the issue of meat and yet practice hypocrisy over what they preach. And the real path is to practice spiritual wisdom and meditation.

So I am going to just do that, and leave you alone. Good luck. May God bless us.

[Tonyr00]

@KillinDaWelfareMCs

No Hindoo or anyone is forcing or coercing any sikhs....it is the choice of modern sikhs! It may be right or wrong but thats how it is.

Modern sikhs are getting clean shavened in scores due to modern world's demands and the others are getting corrupted with various vices in their own conviction.

I have seen sikhs with pagri smoking fags and marijuana. Gyanies enjoying few glasses of alcohol after the religious event is over!!

It is the sign of times!

[UcchaDarBabeNanakDa]

@KillinDaWelfareMCs Here's a Vaar (vaar 37 pauri 21):

searchgurbani (dot) com/bhai_gurdas_vaaran/vaar/37­/pauri/21

Don't tell me that Bhai Sahib meant that one should use sugar instead of salt on meat. Or any other meaning.

The lessons are so apparent. I don't know why you want to dodge them and make your own choice of translation. Maybe because you don't want to quit the tongue taste. Bandhans.

[UcchaDarBabeNanakDa]

@KillinDaWelfareMCs

ਕਬੀਰ ਜੋਰੀ ਕੀਏ ਜੁਲਮੁ ਹੈ ਕਹਤਾ ਨਾਉ ਹਲਾਲੁ ॥

Kabeer, to use force is tyranny, even if you call it legal.

ਦਫਤਰਿ ਲੇਖਾ ਮਾਂਗੀਐ ਤਬ ਹੋਇਗੋ ਕਉਨੁ ਹਵਾਲੁ ॥੧੮੭॥

When your account is called for in the Court of the Lord, what will your condition be then? ||187||

[KillinDaWelfareMCs]

@UcchaDarBabeNanakDa So no sikh should ever use force? Um how did the armies kill people without being forceful in their attacks?

[UcchaDarBabeNanakDa]

@KillinDaWelfareMCs offense (force to attack unnecessarily) != defense (force to protect someone/yourself).

[UcchaDarBabeNanakDa]

@KillinDaWelfareMCs

ਕਬੀਰ ਖੂਬੁ ਖਾਨਾ ਖੀਚਰੀ ਜਾ ਮਹਿ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤੁ ਲੋਨੁ ॥

Kabeer, the dinner of beans and rice is excellent, if it is flavored with salt.

ਹੇਰਾ ਰੋਟੀ ਕਾਰਨੇ ਗਲਾ ਕਟਾਵੈ ਕਉਨੁ ॥੧੮੮॥

Who would cut his throat, to have meat with his bread? ||188||

[5148tony]

@rohit84 put kadi history pari ah Teri davi avtar Indra gandi de us ne kis devte nall vaivh kita c or india de 1 rpe di kimit $1 us os walee ki 7 rpe Jo ki Hun 50 rpe ho gayi ha she was de only in world history to shut down it's government so stupid just think befor u write .........!!!!!!!!

[jattuk100]

yar jo hajoor sahib n anandpur sahib ho reha.......bakra jhatka,,,,,,,,,,,ohda v koi hll krooooooo.?????????

[jattuk100]

ff

[sinhar28]

I dont c the nihung...

[binni0z]

@sinhar28 jihnu kutt payee oh nihung te siga.

[Rohit84up]

@binni0z I salute Devi's avatar Indira Gandhi for crushing these animals for demanding khali (EMPTY) stan. As its obvious people are not even allowed to live their lives as they please under these animals. SHAME on you!!!! These people are better off living under indian democracy where people are free to live their lives. Jai Hind!!

[tiger4222000]

@Rohit84up SENT HER TO HELL WHERE HAPPILY SEND YOU TRASH



[gurbir77]

@Rohit84up

thats why singhs fucked ur devi avatar indra gandi(characterless) for killing innocent people in Harmandhir sahib..............fuck ur mother

[rozeraseel1]

changa hoya mather chorda naal eda he hona chahida hai

[AndheriDooniya]

Dass heard on Punjab Radio that Singh Sabha Gurudwara in Northampton has some problems that need sorting out. Gurmeet Kaur Purewal was saying that "thugs are running the Gurudwara and that you can't tell if the Committee Members are Muslims or Sikhs". She also went on to say that "Priests are drinking, eating meat and doing Paath". Northampton Singh Sabha is making an enquiry into her alegations but they will probably chuck her out rather than deal with her statements on Punjab Radio.

[mandharia05]

Khalsa Ji ese loka naal eda hi chahidi hai....fix them

[13punjabi22]

shitar maro ihde sir ch

[Rohit84up]

@13punjabi22 You should be ashmed of yourself. What did he do to deserve this? Did he molested your sister? You cock sucking pig!!! No wonder your kind doesnt have a country of their own because you animals would torture humanity beyond limits. Not everyone is going to believe in your lousy philosophy. People ought to live their lives as they please.

[tiger4222000]

@Rohit84up you rascist hindu he just admits they were drinking alchol on the gurdwARA PREMISES YOU WOULD LOVE FOR DISRESPECT OF SIKHISM,,YOU ARE PURE IGNORANCE

[romeys007]

good job. Keep it up.