Something to pondered on. The Federalists were hearing constant reports that the French successes in Europe were largely do to domestic traitors and cabals within those same countries. No doubt, w/ the openly 'womanly' attachment to France by Jeffy, Mad., Monr, etc., & their partisans; along w/ the French minister Adet and other French covert movt's towards capturing what was then the southwest for France herself, loomed very large in the Federalist's motives behind these Acts.
@Kierkegaard73 They were interested in 1 thing: the suppression of radical thought (a la Thomas Paine) that might challenge their clique's property holdings or designs for unchecked industrial exploitation in the North. Just as the widely deployed secret police was a bane of dissenting publishers & labor organizers in England during the Napoleonic era and there following up to around 1830, so Hamilton & his faction wished to instill similar draconian measures to further their industrial program.
@musicalidea There is little doubt Pitt's draconian measures had an influence on the Federalist, anyone familiar with this epoch grasps that. My point was to ponder that other motives were involved. Besides, any shrewd researcher of this era might notice Jefferson's tacit ordering(while Pres) of the State govt's to use their libel laws to go after the opposition press And, the idea coming out of these noxious acts that truth could be used as a defense in a Libel case is significant.
Some tyrannical errors of the Constitution still with us:
1. The # of Senators is not determined in proportion to a state's population. A CA senator representing 18.6 M has the same voting power as a MT senator representing .28 M
2. Electoral college means a select group of APPOINTED electors can legally defy the will of the ppl & choose their own president.
@musicalidea #1of your list of subjective cries of tyrannical errors within the Constitution reveals you have little understanding of political philosophy, human nature, and the Founders own experience. Research what happened to the loyalists after the Rev. War, Madison's Federalist Paper #10, Hamilton's brilliant speeches at the N.Y. ratification debates on the Senate and David Hume's political writings to understand why the Founders rightly feared democracy - a recipe for planting tyrants.
@Kierkegaard73 You can't accept those who simply disagree with you & must brand them as ignorant or ill-informed: to your detriment. There were prominent members present at the constitutional convention who were outraged at the so-called Great Compromise referenced in #1 on the Constitutional tyranny list. I am informed of political philosophy & human nature alike, simply w/ a different bibliography - some of it not in English - than the Tory boot-licking establishment version you have imbibed.
@musicalidea I've been called many things, but a 'Tory boot-lcking' is a first I must say. What, may I ask, might be your preferred bibliography? Is it perhaps the Hegelian-Utopian Socialist-Marxist-Mills-Liberal Progressive line of reasoning or perhaps the similarly abstract philosophy of the Harrington-Bolingbroke-Cato Letters-Libertarian ideas? Similar, because both dwell in the abstract and not in actuality - They take MAN as they wish him to be and not AS HE IS. But...
@musicalidea let us take your #1 and apply it to experience. I will skip the obvious States during the Amer. Rev. War and also Lenin's use of it. Instead lets look at France and her revolutionary Const. A single House assembly, 900 members who can only serve for 1 yr.. No upper House or Executive to act as a curbing effect. What happened? Seems I recall quite a bit of heads rolling and constant chaos til, why...a little despot arrived to bring order at the stake of pol.l liberty.
Jefferson should have pointed out that the propose of the constitutions restrictions on congress was to protect the minority(political), that the States representing that minority are obligated to defend their people and aid in resistant to the progress of this unauthorized evil.
The majority of Representative in the Federal Government whether they truly represent the will of their constituents or not have not the right to usurp the reserved rights no matter how small the minority thereof.
both of these men trampled on the constitution in their own snaky ways. like politicians now, which is better would be, as today, a choice of the lesser of two evils. and i would have voted for burr. lol.
John Adams was a great President who took it upon himself to keep us out of a war with France. The Alien and Sedition Acts, while a tad radical, were his ultimate act of defence for the United States. His actions throughout his Presidency averted a war that would have cost us dearly. His repeated diplomatic efforts with France lead to peace. The Quasi War would have ended us. All these things Adams did with a lousy Vice President and a Cabinet of people completely subservient to Hamilton.
ethnocentricism was the reason he advocated the alien & sedition acts- he was scared of the newcomers & was worried they would oppose a centralized gov. he, the leader of this great country fostered negative stereotypes to flourish against people that would become American - how can the leader create patriotism when they are participating in discrimination and the sedition acts go against our constitutional rights - that shows he will sacrifice our rights for his own benefit.
If the defense of the united States requires the relinquishment its propose then such a defense is pointless for theses united States have already fallen to its enemies.
Whether Hamilton & John Adams threats were real or imagined is unimportant, in that their solution was in fact a more serous & immediate threat.
All the founding fathers were guilty of some despicable acts....they were human after all........I admire all of them endlessly. But, they were men of their times, and to a degree victims of it also..I do take comfort, as a black american that John and Abigail Adams did not own slaves or endorse the institution of slavery so..alien and sedition act =bad/No slaves=good.....give and take..this was 200+yrs ago
If Jefferson wins, Murder, Rape, Robbery and Adultry will be openly taught and practiced; the air will be rent with the cries of the distressed, the soil soaked in blood and the nation black with crime....Are you prepared to see your dwellings in flames, female chastity violated.......children writhing on a pike?
Adams was one of our worst presidents ever, today he would have been impeached, he was hypocritical, he fought for freedom and took it away from the people he swore to protect. Jefferson forever!!!
@FozzytheRyan John Adams was far from being the best Founding Father. Thomas Jefferson and James Madison were the best. I don't hate how John Adams helped to found America, but he violated the Constitution, and you just can't convince me that a man who took people's unalienable rights away, was a good man.
@catclaw357 bc the president has ultimate power right, he dosent get orders from the senate when in those days the represenatives were actually in touch with their people. if you read and not just buy they hype, you'll soon find out that thomas jefferson wasnt around much when cont. congress was in session. and there is no greater hypocrisy then a man who wrote all men are created equal, and owned slaves until the day he died, he didnt even let them free in his will. watch the clip[, read a book
@FozzytheRyan John Adams was a huge supporter of the Alien and Sedition acts. John Adams willingly signed it, he suffered oppression, but lived to opress others. Yes Jefferson did own slaves, but he didn't abuse & overwork them like poeple in that time period did, if he freed them, they would just be captured and sold to someone else, who more than likely would overwork & abuse them. I did read a book, you just can't accept the fact that John Adams was a crooked ploitician. Part 1 of 2
PAPER currency is fiat currency, which has not value in its own right UNLESS it is backed by precious metals such as GOLD and SILVER. Luciferian Freemason and Illuminati puppet F.D.R. UNLAWFULLY discontinued the gold and silver standard in the early 1930's. So, these FEDERAL RESERVE NOTES have no real value unless they can be exchanged with gold and silver certificates or actual coin currency. JFK re-instituted the silver standard in June 1963 but was murdered before it could take real effect.
So, in a republic, where We the People work with our representatives to govern the country, we have the final say in currency matters. IT IS OUR MONEY to begin with. How else can the government HONESTLY receive money in order to function? It comes from US, the Electorate. But, now, in this age of tyranny, the government has SEIZED and CONTROLLED our "credit worthiness," our WEALTH, our CURRENCY through fraud, deceit, over-taxation, and Marxism.
Do research on these topics: (1) America is still a British colony, (2) Income taxes go the Queen of England, (3) American Presidents who were Illuminati, (4) the history of the sixteenth amendment, (5) the original thirteenth amendment, (6) The American Civil Flag for Peacetime, and (7) The Constitution Con. I promise to my dear and fellow citizens that I will never lead you astray. I am here to educate to those who are genuinely teachable. For too many DECADES, we ALL have been deceived.
@smo699. I think what Adams meant is that his duties as President were so numerous and exhausting that he could not leave the then-capital city at whatever whim to relax at home. Jefferson as Vice-President had fewer duties than the Office of President and could make the trek to Monticello from out of state in a matter of days, no more than 14, by horse-drawn carriage. So, for Jefferson, going home back and forth was a luxury for him more so than for President John Adams. Is that what you meant?
@EmperadorElijah I understand what he's literally saying, but I believe Adams is implying something much more meaningful. Political philosophies can be principled in meaning, but sometimes be debilitating in practical use. When Jefferson refused to raise an army for Virginia, the inevitable invasion of the British slapped him in the face. My point is, that Jefferson's great philosophies come from the comfort of his home, principled in one sense, but 'sometimes' impractical in another.
@smo699. I actually believe that his sense of republican governance was totally valid and practical. He understood the law inside & out: Biblical, Roman, European, Anglo-Saxon, English, etc. But, the struggle or trouble for Jefferson concerning practicality was that not enough people were "classically educated" enough in order for those principles to be exercised correctly & to the fullest. However, I am willingly to learn in what areas you believe he was impractical. Please explain dear Friend.
How many of my fellow Sovereign American citizens agree that Thomas Jefferson should get his own Mini-Series??!! But, unlike the 2008 HBO John Adams series, one devoted to Jefferson shouldn't be so Reader's Digest. There are some scenes that skip ahead a few years without showing the story settings on screen. And, also, all the American scenes should be filmed on location (as much as possible) here on our own soil. I believe that Thomas Jefferson is the quintessential Patriot and Founder...
Unless I'm sorely mistaken there will be a tidal wave of opposition to the current government at the November elections; that is, if enough people vote and if enough voting machines aren't rigged. I think Adams is vastly overrated; his Alien & Sedition Acts were the forerunners of the current outrageous Patriot Act.
The Sedition Act cost Adams the election to Jefferson. Jefferson was a reluctant candidate for the presidency, but he felt it was his duty to restore constitutional government. The Tea Party is of the same spirit. We rally out of duty for the restoration of constitutional government!
@franku33 HA HA HAAAAA!!!!! The two words that NEVER coincide NY TIMES and POLL- LMAO!. Oh you have made my day sir.THANK YOU for proving my point you unholy liver spot.
@boredlikehell2008 Was it the Tea Party supporters who gave trillions to Wall Street criminal banksters? Was it Tea Party supporters who continue unnecessary and horrific wars against innocent civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan? You're probably one of the many government propagandists who post ignorant comments on YouTube or one of the supporters of corporate fascist tyranny. I went to a New York City Tea Party gathering and saw many blacks, Latinos, workers, white collar types and young people.
@billyguns2 If you do not like the war in Iraq and Afghanistan then complain to the democrats after all they are the majority in congress and if you do not like the Patriot act then complain to Obama and many democrats after all Obama and many democrats voted to renew the patriot act in 2006.
Sovereign American citizens who are a part of the Tea Party movement are NOT supporters for Wall Street criminal bankers, or proponents for "American imperialism" or occupation in Old World countries. Tea Party Americans who are "true" to their principles DO NOT associate themselves with the current two-party system. The current system of governance in the District of Columbia is ALL total and complete fraud and deceit. D.C. has "unlawfully" obtained powers and jurisdiction far beyond....
....the principles and laws for a limited representative constitutional republic. The true American Republic has not functioned since 1861. And, even further in 1933, the federal government and all civil governments here in America operate under "martial law" or "admiralty law." One specific clue are golden-fringed flags on "COMMON LAW" territory. Admiralty law is for the High Seas, not for the Land. And, D.C. is nothing more than a corporation as are all the Federal Reserve banks....
These "United States of America" were originally founded as common law state-republics making up the union of states into the "American Republic." Each state retains its own sovereignty, identity, freedom, and independence but into a firm league of friendship amongst themselves. In a republic, We the people are self-governing who willingly ELECT fellow citizens to represent us in the three branches of government. We the American people are the final "arbiters" for our representatives....
But, gradually, incrementally, and insidiously, the Crown of England, America's number one "political enemy and foe" made its way into our systems for governance through carefully implanted agents and puppets on their behalf. Alexander Hamilton, George Washington, Benjamin Franklin, and some others willingly "made peace" with Great Britain in the Jay Treaty. But, King George [Hanover] III promised "eternal war" against America. Through Hamilton, we became subjugated under central banking....
Ever wonder why the British came back and declared war on America in the War of 1812?? The Congress was going to cease renewing the charter for the Bank of the United States (a central bank; prototype for current Federal Reserve banks). These banks are NOT under the authority of We the American people; they are privately-owned by wealthy banking families such as the Rothschilds. In the Constitution, CONGRESS is to COIN the currency and determine the value thereof.
Adam's acts he passed was completely unconstitutional and should have been tooken care of way before 1801 to expire just because Thomas Jefferson won the election.
i've been reading some of adams' actual letters. Some of them show adams having a more take-it-or-leave-it attitude about a 2nd term. he did not seem so power hungry and/or egotistical as he is portrayed.
@ChurchillTea Yes, this min-series mischaracterizes Adams, Jefferson and Hamilton on many occasions. They are trying to portray Adams as an instigator of war and the french as innocuous. In reality the french were backstabbers after the war of Independence. While they assisted Americans in the war against the british that was only a matter of necessity, not for some kind of 'noble cause.'
@ChurchillTea Adams by that point had thrown away his support with the Federalists by getting rid of McHenry and Wollcott. By that point in his letters he was all but certain he would lose the election no matter what he did.
@ChurchillTea He definitely wasnt. Americans in 1800 wanted war with France due to impressment by the French Navy on Americans and instead of going to war, he chose the betterment of the country over war and a definite 2nd term :)
I absolutely love the look on Jefferson's face after he says "you're trampling on the Constitution." He has that "how dare you to trample on the people's liberties" look on his face. Jefferson was so profoundly honest that once he became President after his "Revolution of 1800," he undid all the worthless Federalist schemes that almost brought the Republic to thorough ruin from within. He would not stand any assault on natural rights because he knew it would lead to tyranny, hence present day...
That all may be true, but, as Adams states"the peoples representatives requested these acts,would you have me deaf to the voice of the people?" And by jeffersons(dillane) facial expressions he realizes its a catch 22.
Adams was at times an unknowing pawn in Alexander Hamilton's "bigger picture" Machiavellian Federalist schemes. If you do thorough research into American history, you'll realize that he really was trying to turn American government & society into a British-style system. Adams may have been fed "half-truths" or complete falsehoods about 'the people's representatives demanding the Alien and Sedition Acts.' It's typical of government insiders to make the people distrust foreigners during crises...
I agree about hamilton. But, Mr.Adams was no mans fool or "pawn" as you say. I believe he made his own judgments based on the situation or information available,surely. Today that act would be horrifying,but,at the time I have to grudgingly admit it seems acceptable...given the circumstancees.
@chjackson82 If i was jefferson i would have simply said this is a republic not a democracy... we are based on the rule of law. The rule of law clearly states that everyman has free speech... but jefferson said it himself... "i have no gift for oratory"
@EmperadorElijah You do realize that upon becoming President, Jefferson kept almost all of Hamilton's Federalist policies when he realized that the man's ideas weren't so bad. As for the Sedition Act, it expired anyway on inauguration day.
Adams was an "Esquire" which is why he held to the notion of a "powerful central government" so dear. Jefferson was a Republican because he believed in a "republic" over a democracy. His view of Republicanism held that the people have the final say in governance and are the rightful watchmen to their liberties. Adams was personally & publicly sensitive to any assaults against his character, hence the Sedition Act. He didn't look kindly to insults against his Federalist administration.
@EmperadorElijah In reading some of the history of Washington, Jefferson, and Adams I find that none enjoyed the criticisms of the people, media etcetera. Often finding them unfair, small minded, off track, etc. Such is the life of a politician.
It comes with the territory when you are in public office. But, most of the time, the people that are supposed to be are Representatives actually deserve it, especially these days. But, a majority of our Founding Fathers and the early representatives were overwhelmingly honest. But, in the bigger picture of things: every government degenerates when trusted to the rulers of the people alone. The people themselves, therefore, are its only safe depositories. Honesty is no longer the policy...
@EmperadorElijah lol, yes with in today's complex society, with media, issues galore, & a massive population, it's harder to keep our "public servants" honest. The few cases when I think I am seeing an honest politician, one whom I don't agree with entirely, but appears to not care who thinks what of what he says, as long as he keeps to his principles, guess what happens... he does not go far in the primaries. I point out the electoral process as the thing that needs fixing first off.
I wonder if what Jefferson said in this video can also serve as a protest to SOPA and PIPA.
1987AnimeBoy 1 month ago
Something to pondered on. The Federalists were hearing constant reports that the French successes in Europe were largely do to domestic traitors and cabals within those same countries. No doubt, w/ the openly 'womanly' attachment to France by Jeffy, Mad., Monr, etc., & their partisans; along w/ the French minister Adet and other French covert movt's towards capturing what was then the southwest for France herself, loomed very large in the Federalist's motives behind these Acts.
Kierkegaard73 3 months ago
@Kierkegaard73 They were interested in 1 thing: the suppression of radical thought (a la Thomas Paine) that might challenge their clique's property holdings or designs for unchecked industrial exploitation in the North. Just as the widely deployed secret police was a bane of dissenting publishers & labor organizers in England during the Napoleonic era and there following up to around 1830, so Hamilton & his faction wished to instill similar draconian measures to further their industrial program.
musicalidea 3 months ago
@musicalidea There is little doubt Pitt's draconian measures had an influence on the Federalist, anyone familiar with this epoch grasps that. My point was to ponder that other motives were involved. Besides, any shrewd researcher of this era might notice Jefferson's tacit ordering(while Pres) of the State govt's to use their libel laws to go after the opposition press And, the idea coming out of these noxious acts that truth could be used as a defense in a Libel case is significant.
Kierkegaard73 3 months ago
Some tyrannical errors of the Constitution still with us:
1. The # of Senators is not determined in proportion to a state's population. A CA senator representing 18.6 M has the same voting power as a MT senator representing .28 M
2. Electoral college means a select group of APPOINTED electors can legally defy the will of the ppl & choose their own president.
3. President can appoint Supreme CT justices.
4. Supreme CT justices hold lifetime tenure.
5. No provision for nat'l referenda.
musicalidea 3 months ago
@musicalidea #1of your list of subjective cries of tyrannical errors within the Constitution reveals you have little understanding of political philosophy, human nature, and the Founders own experience. Research what happened to the loyalists after the Rev. War, Madison's Federalist Paper #10, Hamilton's brilliant speeches at the N.Y. ratification debates on the Senate and David Hume's political writings to understand why the Founders rightly feared democracy - a recipe for planting tyrants.
Kierkegaard73 3 months ago
@Kierkegaard73 You can't accept those who simply disagree with you & must brand them as ignorant or ill-informed: to your detriment. There were prominent members present at the constitutional convention who were outraged at the so-called Great Compromise referenced in #1 on the Constitutional tyranny list. I am informed of political philosophy & human nature alike, simply w/ a different bibliography - some of it not in English - than the Tory boot-licking establishment version you have imbibed.
musicalidea 3 months ago
@musicalidea I've been called many things, but a 'Tory boot-lcking' is a first I must say. What, may I ask, might be your preferred bibliography? Is it perhaps the Hegelian-Utopian Socialist-Marxist-Mills-Liberal Progressive line of reasoning or perhaps the similarly abstract philosophy of the Harrington-Bolingbroke-Cato Letters-Libertarian ideas? Similar, because both dwell in the abstract and not in actuality - They take MAN as they wish him to be and not AS HE IS. But...
Kierkegaard73 3 months ago
@musicalidea let us take your #1 and apply it to experience. I will skip the obvious States during the Amer. Rev. War and also Lenin's use of it. Instead lets look at France and her revolutionary Const. A single House assembly, 900 members who can only serve for 1 yr.. No upper House or Executive to act as a curbing effect. What happened? Seems I recall quite a bit of heads rolling and constant chaos til, why...a little despot arrived to bring order at the stake of pol.l liberty.
Kierkegaard73 3 months ago
From time to time the President MUST turn a def ear to the voices of the masses.
YNot1989 3 months ago
Jefferson should have pointed out that the propose of the constitutions restrictions on congress was to protect the minority(political), that the States representing that minority are obligated to defend their people and aid in resistant to the progress of this unauthorized evil.
The majority of Representative in the Federal Government whether they truly represent the will of their constituents or not have not the right to usurp the reserved rights no matter how small the minority thereof.
Monorprise 3 months ago
both of these men trampled on the constitution in their own snaky ways. like politicians now, which is better would be, as today, a choice of the lesser of two evils. and i would have voted for burr. lol.
leeleec27 4 months ago
John Adams was a great President who took it upon himself to keep us out of a war with France. The Alien and Sedition Acts, while a tad radical, were his ultimate act of defence for the United States. His actions throughout his Presidency averted a war that would have cost us dearly. His repeated diplomatic efforts with France lead to peace. The Quasi War would have ended us. All these things Adams did with a lousy Vice President and a Cabinet of people completely subservient to Hamilton.
Forefather1776 6 months ago
@Forefather1776
ethnocentricism was the reason he advocated the alien & sedition acts- he was scared of the newcomers & was worried they would oppose a centralized gov. he, the leader of this great country fostered negative stereotypes to flourish against people that would become American - how can the leader create patriotism when they are participating in discrimination and the sedition acts go against our constitutional rights - that shows he will sacrifice our rights for his own benefit.
775kdv 4 months ago
@Forefather1776
If the defense of the united States requires the relinquishment its propose then such a defense is pointless for theses united States have already fallen to its enemies.
Whether Hamilton & John Adams threats were real or imagined is unimportant, in that their solution was in fact a more serous & immediate threat.
Monorprise 3 months ago
"Universal truth is not measured in mass appeal."
-Immortal Technique
"Democracy is 51% of a population taking away the rights of the other 49%."
-Thomas Jefferson
John Adams was Federalist and a tyrant in my opinion. Thank God Thomas Jefferson was elected president after him...
ruvvjub 8 months ago
@ruvvjub
I'm sure Jefferson wished he wasn't President. He hated that job.
AmericanNohbuddy 5 months ago
"You cannot protect the nation by attacking the right of every man to speak freely without fear."
Amen, TJ.
Trinity61 9 months ago 3
All the founding fathers were guilty of some despicable acts....they were human after all........I admire all of them endlessly. But, they were men of their times, and to a degree victims of it also..I do take comfort, as a black american that John and Abigail Adams did not own slaves or endorse the institution of slavery so..alien and sedition act =bad/No slaves=good.....give and take..this was 200+yrs ago
chjackson82 10 months ago 15
which is which?
Nikky528 11 months ago
If Jefferson wins, Murder, Rape, Robbery and Adultry will be openly taught and practiced; the air will be rent with the cries of the distressed, the soil soaked in blood and the nation black with crime....Are you prepared to see your dwellings in flames, female chastity violated.......children writhing on a pike?
Doc418 11 months ago
Adams was one of our worst presidents ever, today he would have been impeached, he was hypocritical, he fought for freedom and took it away from the people he swore to protect. Jefferson forever!!!
catclaw357 1 year ago
@catclaw357 dude did u not watch this clip...there wouldnt be an america with out john adams, get up on your history before you open your mouth
FozzytheRyan 11 months ago
@FozzytheRyan John Adams was far from being the best Founding Father. Thomas Jefferson and James Madison were the best. I don't hate how John Adams helped to found America, but he violated the Constitution, and you just can't convince me that a man who took people's unalienable rights away, was a good man.
catclaw357 11 months ago
@catclaw357 bc the president has ultimate power right, he dosent get orders from the senate when in those days the represenatives were actually in touch with their people. if you read and not just buy they hype, you'll soon find out that thomas jefferson wasnt around much when cont. congress was in session. and there is no greater hypocrisy then a man who wrote all men are created equal, and owned slaves until the day he died, he didnt even let them free in his will. watch the clip[, read a book
FozzytheRyan 11 months ago
@FozzytheRyan John Adams was a huge supporter of the Alien and Sedition acts. John Adams willingly signed it, he suffered oppression, but lived to opress others. Yes Jefferson did own slaves, but he didn't abuse & overwork them like poeple in that time period did, if he freed them, they would just be captured and sold to someone else, who more than likely would overwork & abuse them. I did read a book, you just can't accept the fact that John Adams was a crooked ploitician. Part 1 of 2
catclaw357 11 months ago
@FozzytheRyan Part 2 of 2. I think that this is why John Adams was the only Founding Fathers to not appear on denomination of U.S. currency.
catclaw357 11 months ago
Woot Mr.Nelley sent me here
:D
Dynasty23468 1 year ago
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ilikemnms202 1 year ago
@451G44ra me too...
ilikemnms202 1 year ago
PAPER currency is fiat currency, which has not value in its own right UNLESS it is backed by precious metals such as GOLD and SILVER. Luciferian Freemason and Illuminati puppet F.D.R. UNLAWFULLY discontinued the gold and silver standard in the early 1930's. So, these FEDERAL RESERVE NOTES have no real value unless they can be exchanged with gold and silver certificates or actual coin currency. JFK re-instituted the silver standard in June 1963 but was murdered before it could take real effect.
EmperadorElijah 1 year ago
So, in a republic, where We the People work with our representatives to govern the country, we have the final say in currency matters. IT IS OUR MONEY to begin with. How else can the government HONESTLY receive money in order to function? It comes from US, the Electorate. But, now, in this age of tyranny, the government has SEIZED and CONTROLLED our "credit worthiness," our WEALTH, our CURRENCY through fraud, deceit, over-taxation, and Marxism.
EmperadorElijah 1 year ago
Do research on these topics: (1) America is still a British colony, (2) Income taxes go the Queen of England, (3) American Presidents who were Illuminati, (4) the history of the sixteenth amendment, (5) the original thirteenth amendment, (6) The American Civil Flag for Peacetime, and (7) The Constitution Con. I promise to my dear and fellow citizens that I will never lead you astray. I am here to educate to those who are genuinely teachable. For too many DECADES, we ALL have been deceived.
EmperadorElijah 1 year ago
As much as I agree with Jefferson, it says something when Adams replies, "I do not have such a luxury." Continues to make me think..
smo699 1 year ago
@smo699. I think what Adams meant is that his duties as President were so numerous and exhausting that he could not leave the then-capital city at whatever whim to relax at home. Jefferson as Vice-President had fewer duties than the Office of President and could make the trek to Monticello from out of state in a matter of days, no more than 14, by horse-drawn carriage. So, for Jefferson, going home back and forth was a luxury for him more so than for President John Adams. Is that what you meant?
EmperadorElijah 1 year ago
@EmperadorElijah I understand what he's literally saying, but I believe Adams is implying something much more meaningful. Political philosophies can be principled in meaning, but sometimes be debilitating in practical use. When Jefferson refused to raise an army for Virginia, the inevitable invasion of the British slapped him in the face. My point is, that Jefferson's great philosophies come from the comfort of his home, principled in one sense, but 'sometimes' impractical in another.
smo699 1 year ago
@smo699. I actually believe that his sense of republican governance was totally valid and practical. He understood the law inside & out: Biblical, Roman, European, Anglo-Saxon, English, etc. But, the struggle or trouble for Jefferson concerning practicality was that not enough people were "classically educated" enough in order for those principles to be exercised correctly & to the fullest. However, I am willingly to learn in what areas you believe he was impractical. Please explain dear Friend.
EmperadorElijah 1 year ago
How many of my fellow Sovereign American citizens agree that Thomas Jefferson should get his own Mini-Series??!! But, unlike the 2008 HBO John Adams series, one devoted to Jefferson shouldn't be so Reader's Digest. There are some scenes that skip ahead a few years without showing the story settings on screen. And, also, all the American scenes should be filmed on location (as much as possible) here on our own soil. I believe that Thomas Jefferson is the quintessential Patriot and Founder...
EmperadorElijah 1 year ago
Unless I'm sorely mistaken there will be a tidal wave of opposition to the current government at the November elections; that is, if enough people vote and if enough voting machines aren't rigged. I think Adams is vastly overrated; his Alien & Sedition Acts were the forerunners of the current outrageous Patriot Act.
billyguns2 1 year ago
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NY Times: Poll Finds Tea Party Wealthier and More Educated. Truth hurts, eh?
egginanest 1 year ago
The Sedition Act cost Adams the election to Jefferson. Jefferson was a reluctant candidate for the presidency, but he felt it was his duty to restore constitutional government. The Tea Party is of the same spirit. We rally out of duty for the restoration of constitutional government!
franku33 1 year ago
@franku33 The tea party is whats wrong with America. A bunch of retarded anti freedom, intolerant, racists, gun happy, ignorant butt holes.
boredlikehell2008 1 year ago
@boredlikehell2008 NY Times: Poll Finds Tea Party Wealthier and More Educated. Get your facts in order ignorantlikehell2008.
franku33 1 year ago 2
@franku33 HA HA HAAAAA!!!!! The two words that NEVER coincide NY TIMES and POLL- LMAO!. Oh you have made my day sir.THANK YOU for proving my point you unholy liver spot.
boredlikehell2008 1 year ago
@franku33 Well done sir for standing up for us from Liberal scum. God Bless You for speaking Truth!
TheMethadoneParty 1 year ago
@boredlikehell2008 Was it the Tea Party supporters who gave trillions to Wall Street criminal banksters? Was it Tea Party supporters who continue unnecessary and horrific wars against innocent civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan? You're probably one of the many government propagandists who post ignorant comments on YouTube or one of the supporters of corporate fascist tyranny. I went to a New York City Tea Party gathering and saw many blacks, Latinos, workers, white collar types and young people.
billyguns2 1 year ago
@billyguns2 If you do not like the war in Iraq and Afghanistan then complain to the democrats after all they are the majority in congress and if you do not like the Patriot act then complain to Obama and many democrats after all Obama and many democrats voted to renew the patriot act in 2006.
evansville70 1 year ago
Sovereign American citizens who are a part of the Tea Party movement are NOT supporters for Wall Street criminal bankers, or proponents for "American imperialism" or occupation in Old World countries. Tea Party Americans who are "true" to their principles DO NOT associate themselves with the current two-party system. The current system of governance in the District of Columbia is ALL total and complete fraud and deceit. D.C. has "unlawfully" obtained powers and jurisdiction far beyond....
EmperadorElijah 1 year ago
....the principles and laws for a limited representative constitutional republic. The true American Republic has not functioned since 1861. And, even further in 1933, the federal government and all civil governments here in America operate under "martial law" or "admiralty law." One specific clue are golden-fringed flags on "COMMON LAW" territory. Admiralty law is for the High Seas, not for the Land. And, D.C. is nothing more than a corporation as are all the Federal Reserve banks....
EmperadorElijah 1 year ago
These "United States of America" were originally founded as common law state-republics making up the union of states into the "American Republic." Each state retains its own sovereignty, identity, freedom, and independence but into a firm league of friendship amongst themselves. In a republic, We the people are self-governing who willingly ELECT fellow citizens to represent us in the three branches of government. We the American people are the final "arbiters" for our representatives....
EmperadorElijah 1 year ago
But, gradually, incrementally, and insidiously, the Crown of England, America's number one "political enemy and foe" made its way into our systems for governance through carefully implanted agents and puppets on their behalf. Alexander Hamilton, George Washington, Benjamin Franklin, and some others willingly "made peace" with Great Britain in the Jay Treaty. But, King George [Hanover] III promised "eternal war" against America. Through Hamilton, we became subjugated under central banking....
EmperadorElijah 1 year ago
Ever wonder why the British came back and declared war on America in the War of 1812?? The Congress was going to cease renewing the charter for the Bank of the United States (a central bank; prototype for current Federal Reserve banks). These banks are NOT under the authority of We the American people; they are privately-owned by wealthy banking families such as the Rothschilds. In the Constitution, CONGRESS is to COIN the currency and determine the value thereof.
EmperadorElijah 1 year ago
Arguements of safety and civil liberties are nothing new I guess.
chufuss 1 year ago
Adam's acts he passed was completely unconstitutional and should have been tooken care of way before 1801 to expire just because Thomas Jefferson won the election.
lemonglobal 1 year ago
The way Adams wipes his mouth on the table cloth, was that his way of showing his contempt to Jefferson?
ThomasAnime 2 years ago
i've been reading some of adams' actual letters. Some of them show adams having a more take-it-or-leave-it attitude about a 2nd term. he did not seem so power hungry and/or egotistical as he is portrayed.
ChurchillTea 2 years ago 9
@ChurchillTea Yes, this min-series mischaracterizes Adams, Jefferson and Hamilton on many occasions. They are trying to portray Adams as an instigator of war and the french as innocuous. In reality the french were backstabbers after the war of Independence. While they assisted Americans in the war against the british that was only a matter of necessity, not for some kind of 'noble cause.'
ThunderAppeal 1 year ago 2
@ChurchillTea Adams by that point had thrown away his support with the Federalists by getting rid of McHenry and Wollcott. By that point in his letters he was all but certain he would lose the election no matter what he did.
xiber88 1 year ago
@ChurchillTea read the book that this series is bases on its the best account of john adams ive come across
FozzytheRyan 11 months ago
@ChurchillTea He definitely wasnt. Americans in 1800 wanted war with France due to impressment by the French Navy on Americans and instead of going to war, he chose the betterment of the country over war and a definite 2nd term :)
Marines1125 4 months ago
Why blacken your "fragile reputation? lol
Devsfan202 2 years ago
I absolutely love the look on Jefferson's face after he says "you're trampling on the Constitution." He has that "how dare you to trample on the people's liberties" look on his face. Jefferson was so profoundly honest that once he became President after his "Revolution of 1800," he undid all the worthless Federalist schemes that almost brought the Republic to thorough ruin from within. He would not stand any assault on natural rights because he knew it would lead to tyranny, hence present day...
EmperadorElijah 2 years ago 4
I also love Adams(giamatti) reply...superb acting
chjackson82 2 years ago 2
That all may be true, but, as Adams states"the peoples representatives requested these acts,would you have me deaf to the voice of the people?" And by jeffersons(dillane) facial expressions he realizes its a catch 22.
chjackson82 2 years ago 2
Adams was at times an unknowing pawn in Alexander Hamilton's "bigger picture" Machiavellian Federalist schemes. If you do thorough research into American history, you'll realize that he really was trying to turn American government & society into a British-style system. Adams may have been fed "half-truths" or complete falsehoods about 'the people's representatives demanding the Alien and Sedition Acts.' It's typical of government insiders to make the people distrust foreigners during crises...
EmperadorElijah 2 years ago
I agree about hamilton. But, Mr.Adams was no mans fool or "pawn" as you say. I believe he made his own judgments based on the situation or information available,surely. Today that act would be horrifying,but,at the time I have to grudgingly admit it seems acceptable...given the circumstancees.
chjackson82 2 years ago 2
@chjackson82 If i was jefferson i would have simply said this is a republic not a democracy... we are based on the rule of law. The rule of law clearly states that everyman has free speech... but jefferson said it himself... "i have no gift for oratory"
ORACLE063 11 months ago
@EmperadorElijah and thats exactly why he needed to be kept out of Texas textbooks in favor of William F. Buckley
halfghan 1 year ago
@EmperadorElijah You do realize that upon becoming President, Jefferson kept almost all of Hamilton's Federalist policies when he realized that the man's ideas weren't so bad. As for the Sedition Act, it expired anyway on inauguration day.
thomaspaine73 7 months ago
Adams was an "Esquire" which is why he held to the notion of a "powerful central government" so dear. Jefferson was a Republican because he believed in a "republic" over a democracy. His view of Republicanism held that the people have the final say in governance and are the rightful watchmen to their liberties. Adams was personally & publicly sensitive to any assaults against his character, hence the Sedition Act. He didn't look kindly to insults against his Federalist administration.
EmperadorElijah 2 years ago
@EmperadorElijah In reading some of the history of Washington, Jefferson, and Adams I find that none enjoyed the criticisms of the people, media etcetera. Often finding them unfair, small minded, off track, etc. Such is the life of a politician.
Blademaster865 1 year ago
It comes with the territory when you are in public office. But, most of the time, the people that are supposed to be are Representatives actually deserve it, especially these days. But, a majority of our Founding Fathers and the early representatives were overwhelmingly honest. But, in the bigger picture of things: every government degenerates when trusted to the rulers of the people alone. The people themselves, therefore, are its only safe depositories. Honesty is no longer the policy...
EmperadorElijah 1 year ago
"our" Representatives
EmperadorElijah 1 year ago
...Honesty is no longer the policy these days because we are dealing with politicians, and not Statesmen. Politicians are actually "public liars."
EmperadorElijah 1 year ago
@EmperadorElijah lol, yes with in today's complex society, with media, issues galore, & a massive population, it's harder to keep our "public servants" honest. The few cases when I think I am seeing an honest politician, one whom I don't agree with entirely, but appears to not care who thinks what of what he says, as long as he keeps to his principles, guess what happens... he does not go far in the primaries. I point out the electoral process as the thing that needs fixing first off.
Blademaster865 1 year ago