The Hangzhou Airport UFO (China - 07/07/2010) - THE ONLY REAL PHOTO

[bontvchina]

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[leverex21]

Pause in 0:03 .. haha.. funny..

[ferretlord2177]

hide yo kids, hide yo wife, hide you husbands...cuz ufos out there raping everybody!

[Papersxxx]

That woman...good god.

D;

[totalfuital]

Could you explain why we should believe that this single 'genuine photo' is indeed genuine?

Proving pictures are hoaxes is a necessity, of course, but i shouldn't have to point out that it doesn't make this one any more real.

As you should know by now, chinese investigators have determined that NONE of the images presented with this story are credible. NONE.

This whole case is a debate derailed, with too much pointless, long-winded 'analysis' of images unrelated to the very real EVENT.

[baracine]

@totalfuital

At the time of posting, this WAS the only photo deemed genuine. It has been debated since if you follow the links I have provided, and not just by the Chinese. Jim Oberg believes the sky would have been darker at 8 PM on that day at that latitude. The linking of this photo to a Chinese missile is also pure conjecture, but interesting nonetheless. I personnaly favour the classic "planet Venus at the end of the runway at sunset" explanation.

[totalfuital]

"interesting nonetheless", true, but your presentation is misleading, to say the least : "THE ONLY REAL PHOTO"? "the only genuine picture"?

Those claims are not, and were not backed by anything even at time of posting.

That is what i have a problem with.

& the fact that an overblown besides-the-point discussion has taken center stage, & been relayed in media as a legitimate, official explanation of the incident. It remains a theory, and a weak one it is, since it's built on very little fact.

[baracine]

@totalfuital

Please don't get your panties in a bunch. The priority for me was to post a video showing that the fake time-lapse pictures of a helicopter over Manchester, England, and the rocket lauch from Kazakhstan WERE NOT from Hangzhou. Having accomplished that, the debate is still open. The author of this picture probably had no motivation to deceive and that is a big pl;us over the other pictures. The search is still on for intelligent life on earth, however.

[baracine]

@totalfuital

And, by the way, totalfruitcake, we're all anxiously awaiting your definitive video on the question. Thank you.

[totalfuital]

@baracine

Now that's funny. You're telling me not to get my panties in a bunch, and there you are calling me a fruitcake for some reason, taunting me to produce a "definitive" video? Where does that come from? Calm down...

You might want to notice i'm not here spewing wild theories/attacking you somehow, i was just asking about apparent contradictions in your presentation. But seems you've some sort of issue with criticism, i'd say...

[baracine]

@totalfuital

Do you realize how much work went into reasearching the visual, video and textual sources of my simple video presentation? Given all this, I don't expect a skeptic to attack me personally like a rabid dog on crack for having reported essential information that was SIMPLY NOT AVAILABLE BEFORE on YouTube on the question. I understand your questioning the photo in question, but you don't offer any real evidence against it either.

[baracine]

@baracine

Here's another reality check: If you add up the view counts of the thousands of videos about the hoaxed (by whom and why?) Hangzhou pictures and the misidentified Russian rocket on YT alone, you come up to MILLIONS of views. My video has barely 1,405 views. Don't you think you anger is misdirected? Or are you a shill account for the Chinese government? Either way, your explanation that "there is no explanation" is both lazy and stupid. But does it entitle you to attack the messenger?

[baracine]

@totalfuital

Two questions:

1. Since when are we supposed to believe blindly in anything an official Chinese government investigator has to say about anything?

2. There is no "official explanation of the incident". The western media (R. Murdoch's Fox News and Sun newspaper, among others) would have us believe in little green men in flashy spaceships and spectacular rockets all over China. I think my video was a step in the right direction.

[totalfuital]

1. Who's believing what blindly? Sure, they might be wrong, but local investigators rejecting the main, single piece of evidence debated and analyzed seems to me a significant detail to be considered in any thorough analysis.

That also applies to my simple question, which was never answered : why should we (blindly or not) believe that this singled out picture is any good?

[baracine]

@totalfuital

I guess you don't have any problem with a tyrannical untrustworthy government refuting the single piece of evidence that could point towards its secret testing of intra-continental nuclear missiles. I respect Oberg but I DO believe that the sky at sunset could have been light at 8 PM on July 7 (one of the longest days of the year) at latitude 30. I have to take his word for it because I couldn't fly to China on that day and if I did, the airport might have been closed.

[totalfuital]

2. That's not at all what i've read. The minute that Forden analysis came out, it was trumped as "mystery solved : MIT analyst says it's a missile, so there you go"... even though he himself recognized he might be completely wrong from the start.

Very strange how some people desperately want this to be alien, and others want it to be missiles. Choosing the answer before the question is even asked is just childish.

Fact is, we still don't have a clue why that airport was closed.

[baracine]

@totalfuital

You keep missing the point. Only 5,000 people worldwide have heard of Mr. Forden's explanation and they are reasonable enough to draw their own conclusions. Millions of people thought the fake photographs were real. You are actually attacking me for spreading the truth. I will block you very soon if you don't stop being so childish and idiotic.

[baracine]

@totalfuital

I have studied the horrid mess that is ufology for more than 20 years and your reaction is typical of 90 % of the poor sods involved, on both sides of the issue. They clamour for INSTANT explanations and solutions without doing any research or exercising any intellect. My video was put up in order to illustrate the extent of the research that was done and invite the viewer to draw his own conclusions, if any, after analysing the facts. This seems to piss you off for some reason.

[tapolna]

This is absurd. Anyone who cites James Oberg, a known UFO debunker, is off kilter at least 50 degrees. And, what's with the "contrails." Show me one peer-reviewed journal that say anything about "con-" or "chem-" trails and I'll begin to believe something is up. As of yet, we only have a lot of disinformation from a lot outspoken individual bordering on paranoia.

This video just rides on popular notions. It's not investigative, in the least.

[baracine]

@tapolna

Belief in chemtrails is on the same level as belief in the extraterrestrial origin of UFOs. As for Oberg, he did an excellent job explaining the ins and outs of the Hangzhou incident. Why don't you simply say what you mean? I posted this video to expose the fakes and the hoaxes surrounding the question. Do you have a problem with that?

[TheIntelligentest]

Definitely real. Pause at 3:32

It's massive and typical cigar shape reported throughout history.

Excellent footage. Absolute proof, wake up world.

[baracine]

@TheIntelligentest

You're an imbecile.

[TheIntelligentest]

@baracine Hundreds saw it. You're wrong.

[baracine]

@TheIntelligentest

The hundreds who saw something didn't photograph it except for the photo in this video at 1:00 and 2:40. If you're referring to the rocket video, it is explained in the links. If you're referring to the hoaxed photos, that is also explained in the links I provided. And you are still an imbecile for commenting on a video you didn't watch or understand. Millions of people foul their pants when they think they are farting; it's still not a good idea to do it in public.

[TheIntelligentest]

@baracine Just because you fouled your pants, I don't care. You're still wrong.

[baracine]

@TheIntelligentest

You can't just repeat "You're wrong" without supplying any arguments. I have given you all the tools to investigate this question in the links I have supplied. If you are too lazy to use them or even watch a video in its entirety, there is nothing much I can do about it. You would rather that your UFOs look like Steven Spielberg creations. I am blocking you. Why should I let imbecilic "true believers" in on an intelligent discussion?

[baracine]

@TheIntelligentest

Astronomer Carl Sagan dedicated his very last book to people like you. It's called "The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark". He makes the point that without science education, the majority of ignorant people on this planet are bound to fall back into the kind of "faith" in the supernatural and superstition that characterized what we still call "the Dark Ages". Read the book and get your ass out of the Middle Ages!

[baracine]

@TheIntelligentest

I had a look at your other comments and I came to the conclusion that you are that lowest form of intelligence on earth: the true believer in the extraterrestrial origin of UFOs. No matter what the cost to your sanity, logic, reason or the facts you ignore. You will believe anything as long as it has bight, shiny colours and the fear music from the History Channel (the "H" stands for "hignorance") or the theme music from the "X Files" playing in the background.

[j3kim]

Very interesting.

[teamslam]

didnt look like a ufo to me..

[baracine]

@teamslam

I'm sorry if it's not up to your Steven Spielberg Lalaland standards but it is "unidentified", it is "flying" and It is an "object". Reality is often stranger than fiction.

[JavierBarajas]

First! ... Sorry, I had to do it.

2:48 "Ridicule in the states... mainstream here in china"

That kind of made me lol.

[baracine]

@JavierBarajas

With all due respect, given all the hoaxed photos and videos surrounding this event, I don't think it's the funniest thing about this story. The Chinese take their UFOs seriously because it is always a miracle for them when the authorities admit to their existence, which means they classify as "unidentified" what is probably their own DF-21 missiles in action.

[baracine]

@JavierBarajas

With all due respect again, the US media may ridicule UFO sightings but Fox News is not above using fake pictures of the Hangzhou UFO to bolster its ratings. The pictures making the rounds of the Internet are actually time-exposure pictures of a helicopter over Manchester, England paid for by Rupert Murdoch, who owns both the Sun tabloid in England and Fox News in the US. The Chinese are more cautious and ethical ... in spite - or because - of the official censorship.

[baracine]

@JavierBarajas

BTW, "lol" is not a valid argument.