I just can't take Dinesh's constant...underlying...panic. His is the throat-borne tone of a man who believes our collective embrace of his thoughts, words and feelings are necessary to build a literal ladder on which he must escape a burning building. He's a drowning swimmer, a trapped passenger in a multi-car collision, a snake-bite victim asking for anti-venin.
I don't feel like he's trying to save us. He's desperately trying to save himself.
Dinesh D'Souza is a constant let down, never anything new, brings up the same moronic ideas no matter how many times he's shown to be wrong, he's just boring.
My god, I can't stand listening to D'Souza. It's a good thing he never brings anything new to the table - I can skip his bits without feeling like I'm deliberately avoiding the arguments. The man could just go up there and have like a checklist. Cosmological argument? Check. Atheist regimes? Check.
Dinesh thinks of atheism as if its a religion when he accuses 'atheist' regimes of committing atrocities. Those regimes had charismatic leaders (Stalin, Pol Pot, Kim Jong Il) who were followed as if they were a god. He doesn't understand that atheism means 'lack of belief' and it does not imply anything about your way of life, whereas almost every religion does.
Atheists will always say the person on their side won, no matter what. Its the same on every video whether its D'souza, Craig or any apologist that debates an atheist. No matter what the online Atheist community will say their guy won like the fan boys they are..................
@jamaicanification "No matter what the online Atheist community will say their guy won"
Do you find this strange? You realize that the only way we could not say that is if the theist had convinced us that God existed? If they have not, then almost everything they have said in a debate will have been completely without value. It has nothing to do with being a fanboy, but with the nature of the topic being discussed.
@jamaicanification I will say this though, it's amazing how most of the theists debaters not only present drivel, but also, like D'souza, come across as wildly dishonest and essentially lying for a living. To suggest that you have to be a fanboy to not think that such people would lose a debate against a rock, solely due to the nature of their own arguments, is to be deeply delusional.
@Gnomefro reallly.....thats why Christopher hitchens said that dinesh d'souza was a 'formidable opponent'? I guess the patron saint of many atheists must have been one delusional guy for believing that someone with the intelligence of a rock was formidable...........
@jamaicanification "reallly.....thats why Christopher hitchens said that dinesh d'souza was a 'formidable opponent'?"
You're confusing politeness with substance. Clearly Hitchens regards D'Souza's views as completely retarded and obviously false. That's why he is selected as an opponent, and that is what all his arguments against D'Souza's views imply.
@jamaicanification The only sense in which your comment can be meaningful is if you say that Hitchens was stating that D'Souza(Or Craig which he has made similar statements about) is capable of seducing people with claims(or outright lies and revisionist history in D'Souza's case) that Hitchens himself regarded as utter nonsense. That is a fact. It is also a moral objection against those people.
The definition of religion is making up stuff that is not based on actual facts. It's called "believe systems" for a reason, not "knowing systems". And D'Souza is a master in this trade!
Dinesh is all rhetoric but no substance. The massacres of Stalin, Hitler, Mao were not a result of atheism but following for cult leaders. We have seen similar massacres carried out in the name of religion(e.g. Prophet Mo carried out 75+ raids). It was Stalinism, Nazism and Maoism and not atheism. That is what atheists are against i.e. a cult like blind following of figures for personal/political/economic gain.
We are the "brights" who believe in a naturalistic worldview.
I'm begging anyone who is considering debating D'Souza...don't do it, and eventually this compulsive liar might just go away. By debating hiim you're giving him a level of reputation he doesn't deserve. Go debate Craig, Kyle Butt, Gary Habermas...these guys are wrong, but they're not compulsive liars.
@atheistrocker100 the inquisition killed a lot more than 2000 people and it was the religious idea that the victims were condemned to hell anyway that allowed the executioners and torturers to ignore their cries in pain. Also there has never been an atheist regime, All the evil done by the nazis (killing jews, homosexuals, communists) was warranted by the bible, whether or not the nazis were atheist the bad things they did coincided with christian beleif.
@mjt532 You are scared and it’s sadly telling by tone of your entire tirade. You are weak…. very weak indeed and have no idea that your emotions do not substitute as science or fact. Perhaps you should consider taking a course in logic as well. I certainly would recommend it.
@mjt532 What are the facts that Dinesh got wrong and it should be very easy to debate Dinesh if he is the liar you claim instead of running away or refusing to even listen to him like some religious nut who insulates himself for whatever personal reasons.
@Jmsadv Been a while since I watched this, but I have made specific comments about D'Souza's misstatements. It's either in this debate, or his debate with Dan Barker. Let me know if you have a disagreement with the specific comments I made. And yes, you can lie in a debate, because if you make a couple hundred statements and lie 5-10 times, your opponent may or may not call you out on the lies, there just isn't enough time.
@Jmsadv One example in his debate with Barker--in order to make Christianity look unified, he claims that Protestantism and Catholicism are 99% the same in beliefs. No way he believes that. Even among Protestant groups, the percentage isn't nearly that high. Take the most important doctrine of all, salvation--there is a great deal of disagreement. Faith alone? Faith + works? Easy believism/lordship? Once saved always saved? Can you sin too much and lose your salvation, etc...
If the holy inquisition accused you, you could avoid cruel punishment by rejecting your heresy and then you had to point out two of your fellow heretics. By doing this, the church installed 'fear of your neighbor' into society. Making it seem the inquisition killed 2.000 people is dishonest reasoning, like saying "in June 1962 only 5 boys were raped in Belgium". The church said "Kill 'em all and God will recognize his own" before slaughtering the population of Béziers. Dinesh knows this.
Wow, Dennett's undergrad students and fanboys trying to wipe him up from the floor in the comments here lol.. No matter what your position, if you take a step back and look OBJECTIVELY at this debate, Dennett was clearly outmatched. Dsouza vs Singer was much closer..
@primomobile I agree, Dennett is points are so poor it's sad actually. Youtube idiots who think they're smart. Out of the four horsemen I think Dennett is one of the dumber ones...
@primomobile Funny, because looking objectively at this debate, and taking each point as they were...showed that Dennett had literally destroyed D'Souza. Espe cially since so much of what D'souza says are...well...outright lies. When d'souza's best attacks are literally of the same kind that are debunked regularly on public access television...it's kind of sad.
@Nwidmann Bringing up a good load of points that Dinesh refused to respond to, and forcing D'Souza repeatedly into the "Communism was atheistic!" ad hominem and guilt by association falacies...yeah, I think Dennett's cool head and open mindedness led to him destroying D'Souza.
atheism and theism on their own are not to blame for any deaths. religions, however, hve an inordinate amount of blood on their hands.
men like stalin didn't kill because they didn't believe in god; they killed because of some narcissistic, sadistic ideology. likewise, bin laden didn't kill because he believed in god; he killed because he also had a twisted ideology.
if a religion tells people to kill, though, (and most do) damn right the blood is on their hands.
@doaftheloaf people often mistake the Quran telling them to "kill non believers"... and thats when u get people like the taliban, but it doesnt tell them to kill anyone. What religions, because you said most, tell people to kill others for religion?
Dinesh is wrong when he says that people in India are now more religious, this is bull crap. No one in this generation actually believes in any of the Hindu MYTHOLOGIES, they might be just practicing hindus (their numbers also dwindling), but if you really ask them if they believe in any of that shit, answer is NO!
@THEBHUPINDER1984 not trying to defend d'souza (not his biggest fan), but if you haven't lived in India and seen their culture first hand, try to refrain from making such statements.
Additionaly, MrMic1146 is a complete dolt. How can you be so unintelligent as to not know that the reason for D'Souza's louder voice is because he is not BORING and HE is CONVICTED in what he SAYS! duh! Its incredible to me because D'Souza presses on strongly (loudly) because he knows he is right! ...come on man.
I don't think either of you are right. I think it's the more obvious observation: that he's just fired up. Not trying to be overwhelming, not because he thinks the louder you sound the more confident you are, but because this topic fires him up.
@RAZZp00 i agree with you completely.... he obviously knows what he is talking about, and is in the offensive Mr. Dennet gives valid argueements to a degree but cant back them up any with real information... I think Dennet was a little afraid of D'Souza hahah "um,um well umm uhh ummmm"
wow Daniel Dennett's arguments are so weak. I can't believe this guy is a professor. He "um" uses the word "um," um, a lot and "um" he doesn't even pose good questions for D'Souza at the end of the 25 m opening. He sits as a HUGE red target for attack. Its unreal how easily his questions are shot down. This is like no debate. Kinda sucks as D'Souza owns him.
Although this is entirely ad hominem, I think Dan Dennet seems like an infinitely more open minded, compassionate, and considerate person than D'Souza.
There are no crimes of atheism, because atheism is not a church, not a state, it does not tell you to kill anyone. It doesn't tell you anything other than an atheist rejects the supernatural BS preached by religion.
@fredriknorand lol... take for example Christianity, it is an umbrella for a great number of churches. Atheism is similarly an umbrella for a great number of beliefs. If you can blame Christianity for the Crusades (which was founded on some very peculiar ideas and circumstances), or blame Islam for WTC bombings (which most muslims condemn) why can you not blame atheism for the cultural revolution in China or Stalin's gulags? Some very strange logic or just lack of imagination?
@fredriknorand so your saying if i am an atheist, and i say that im going to kill a bunch of people in the name of christianity, because i said that, that means that its christianity's fault for the killing of those people?... Dude i dont think so.... and by the way religion isnt a "state" either lol... The bible doesnt tell people to kill anyone, so how about you go read it, so you can actually get your facts straight.
@1BabyBuffalo You are full of shit. The bible tells you to kill people. I don't need to read the whole book over and over, cus I'm allready an atheist. If you want, I can give you some quotes!
He orders another attack and the killing of “all the living creatures of the city: men and women, young, and old, as well as oxen sheep, and asses” (Joshua 6).
@eevil123 simply saying we're more intelligent does not account for objective moral values. You haven't presented one argument for naturalism, all you've done is talk trash and avoided the argument.
@eevil123 Second, simply because we"re capable of moral reasoning does not make us better and to claim that would be to succumb to speciesism beset with delusions of moral granduer. Lastly, i did not deny evolution, i simply evaluted in on a naturalistic worldview.
@eevil123 I never claimed morality was the same as science. Also i have read atheistic literature such as sam harris's Moral Landscape and it still fails to give an account for objective moral values which you seem to love to run off with your mouth about but havent presented an argument. Ive examined arguments against morality such as sociobiological objections, the euthyphro dilemma, humanism and atheistic moral platonism. But neither hold up in explaining objective moral values.
@eevil123 image of God and we are commanded to love thy neighbor. Secondly, on a atheistic worldview you cant even really say that what hitler did was wrong since there is no accountability for objective moral values in a naturalistic universe. So, just because you think Hitler was wrong doesnt make it wrong because your opinions are subjective.
@eevil123 I never said it gave just cause to kill people, however on a naturalistic worldview i fail to see a problem. Its funny how naturalists who believe wholeheatrtedly in evolution believe we"re just primates and nothing more. So then in that case we"re no better than the lion that eats the zebra because its simply survival of the fittest. So, when hitler killed the "weaker" he was simply weeding out the weaker "primates". However, on my christian worldview human beings are made in the
@eevil123 Its funny when non-believers claim christianity was responsible for the crusades and the inquisition, however when its clear that the belief in darwinism contributed to millions being murdered in unimaginable ways the atheists claim "it was not darwinism itself". Well of course it wasn't the direct cause just as christianity wasn't the direct cause of the crusades but when you have a belief system that is only rooted in survival and meaninglessness then people like hitler find
-- Atheism is not a "belief system" like a religion is.
-- Darwinism did not lead to the Holocaust
-- Atheism was not the driving force behind communism. The problem with communism and Stalin, etc, was that it was too much like a religion -- a harmful dogmatism.
@waretron Really? Darwinism did not lead to the holocaust? Lets look at the facts: Hitler wanted to exterminate those whom he felt were not adequate to contribute to his "biologically superior" race. Therefore attempting to speed up the process of survival of the fittest he wanted a utopia of a society without sickness and illness. He believed we humans could and should transgress the law of natural selection. Seems pretty darwinian to me.
I am clinching my teeth and asking why an indian could be so completely screw up in believing a god-based religion that was originally invented by some thoroughly completely screw up!
Atheism cannot be responsible for any crimes by definition. Definition says that atheism is ONLY about the views on humans on supernatural beings called gods. It has nothing to do with human to human relations, or humans to corporations relations, or corporations to government relations etc. This is different from relitions, that are totalitarian enough to make commands about human to human affairs thus leading to crimes.
I almost can never watch debates with D' Souza because the man annoys me to no end. It's not because I'm an atheist because other religious debaters don't annoy me. I never feel the need to turn Rabbi Wolpe off. There is something about this man who just makes me want to plant my fist in his face.
D'Souza thinks that raising his voice makes him more credible. He sounds almost hysteric. Also, he never addresses the fact that themost rapidly growing segment in the world are the "Nones." With regard to his problem with teaching the world's religions, Dennett was very clear about the curriculm: just the facts of belief, practices, etc. Pretty neutral. D'Souza constantly engages in covert ad hominem attacks in that high pitched, hysterical voice of his.
At 4:20 Dinesh claims an increase in Hinduism, not in the numbers of Hindus, but in the level of devotion? Am I alone in questioning this as a statistic? I believe it might be had to prove. Firstly there is the increased wealth of India, and secondly the religious nationalism of the BJP, which I feel might confuse figures like temple building.
@iamFegor He is entitled to his own facts. His verbal sleight of hand is amazing. Every time I see D'Souza attempt refutation of others' facts, his smoke-and-mirror routine is incredible whether he creates his own facts or distorts the comparison into an apples/oranges disputation. He is also very good at covert ad hominem attacks. He seems so smart and rational on the surface. Watching him debate always leaves me grasping for fistfuls of my own hair.
this was informative & helpful discussion;.I think it may also prove helpful to some of the viewers here to try to evaluate many of the more aggressive claims of the anti-theist critique ("brights") from a ideological/ metaphysics perspective. Check out the recent article by Jackson Lears in the May 16, 2011 issue of the The Nation entitled "Same Old New Atheism" .The article offers a compelling analysis of Sam Harris' works. Consideration is given to general atheistic social perspectives
God, this fking moron is a disgrace to the human race. outright lier, ethics-less bastard, resorting to personal attacks since he has no solid rebuttals
Seeing all these comments that are against religion makes me very happy. To know that the youth is opening up their eyes and seeking truth is amazing. There is hope for us yet!!!
Atheist regimes? What Atheist regimes? These regimes are politically motivated, to say they kill people particularly BECAUSE they're Atheist is absurd. Its simply to keep political control, being loyal to the church or a god interfered with loyalty to the state. North Korea for example, to say they are the way they are BECAUSE they're Atheistic, is just false.
@pantherfanatic7 its not just decibel level... there is a pretty obvious fervor and intensity to his speech. Very different from Dennett almost impersonal presentation. I was watching this in public and even though I disagree with a lot of what Dennett said, I had to stop it when D'souza came on because it was just too much...
@fcblaugrana0 But just because he is very passionate about what he is saying doesn't mean he's using some underlying trick to "overwhelm his listeners"
@MrMic1146 how is it overwhelming? i thought it was pretty overwhelming having to listen to Dennett say um um um, and giving some graphs and pictures that hardly has anything to do with what his argue was about.
@TRAC4US This just means you have a low attention span and were not listening to the actual words being spoken... What were his slides supposed to show, colorful cartoons? They are just pictures. If you are "bored" by his arguments that is a whole separate complaint. Maybe next time Dennett will put up slides completely unrelated to what he's talking about so you can be entertained?
So Dinesh is on board about teaching religion and atheism in schools?! Great. I'm on board as well. Atheism contains no doctrine about violence. Any human being has the capacity to make turn to violence on their own regard. Teaching about anyone's cruel interpretation of a subject is a part of history. Let's teach it all.
(2/2) Daniel simply suggusted in his school course idea that children learn about what each religion claims and says about their own beliefs. Denish misses the point and twists what Daniel is saying as always.
(1/2) Denish proposes to Daniel that the body counts of people who have died at the hand of others in the name of their beliefs should be included in Daniel's proposed school program. I don't agree with Denish that not believing in a god has made people murder others as Denish seems to think, I'll play along and say he's correct. Even if you grant him that, the dead bodies produced by religions has nothing to do with the school class idea proposed by Daniel. D
What is human intelligence? is it natural that you are intelligent without reading? without knowing? There is a child who is locked up and doesn't know how to speak and how to write. Means that if we will not study we will never learn. All the great thinkers have studied but we cannot go to heaven by intelligence but out of love. Some say that we don't need God to love but love comes from religion which teaches God. Those who don't have God would eat even people. Valtorta.org readandsearch
@krizzia1000 I don't have god and I don't eat people... as Dennett points out a good 16 percent of us don't have god, and we don't eat people. Nice try at the transcendental argument though, it just makes you look like a prick.
@rjc34 I will pray to the good Lord that He may grant you the grace to read and contemplate His holy life through His servant Maria Valtorta where He is explaining everything if you visit and read all the free readings at valtorta.org I am sure 101 percent sure you will change your mind that there is no God. God loves you so much!
@krizzia1000 I went to valtorta.org and examined the claims....I am even more of an atheist now, if that's possible. Can you tell me what went wrong? I also have a grievance with the claim that any soldier who prays to a cup of blood will not be defeated in battle. I know religious people who have been killed in battle. Please explain this. Did they not pray the right amount of time/say the right words? Jesus didn't like them, or he "needed" them in heaven? Why didn't the prayer work?
Damn, Dinesh is so intellectually out of his league.
He makes his lack of understanding obvious IMMEDIATELY when he replies to the posed question by suggesting that social darwinism be taught in a class of world religion.
Also, Hitler and much of Nazi Germany were not atheist, but devout Catholics.
Damn, Dinesh is so intellectually out of his league.
He makes his lack of understanding obvious IMMEDIATELY when he replies to the posed question by suggesting that social darwinism be taught in a class of world religion.
Also, Hitler and much of Nazi Germany were not atheist, but devout Catholics.
D'Souze, what an idiot. "not in the number of nominal Hindus but in the level of devotion" Is that not very similar to what Dannett said about religion not growing in numbers but growing in volume? How then is Dannett wrong?
Damn that infuriating idiot D'Souza regurgitates the same idiotic jokes and arguments throughout every debate regardless of what the subject is supposed to be ... ugh.......... he makes a mockery of this whole affair.
You post with ad hominem attacks, ignore the "incorrect assumptions" I listed, presume that his error with North Korea doesn't matter, or seems to be his only logical flaw. I posted only a few examples of flaws in his logic, which I caught by hearing him speak for only a few minutes.
Listen to the rest of the debate and judge for yourself.
Incorrect assumptions: He’s conflating the number of Hindus with the “level of devotion” which cannot be accurately judged. He’s uses a straw man for Darwinism, tries to show that correlation equals causation (comparing atheism to Nazi/Stalinist morality and methods), and excuses the Inquisition because it happened centuries ago.
According to the World Christian Data Base, there are 40% Christians in South Korea and 2% Christians in North Korea in 2005. On the other hand, he’s correct about Africa significantly growing in Christianity, but he only includes some of the beneficial reasons for Christianity in Africa, but never mentions the darker parts of Christian imposition, such as British Colonialism.
I see by your page that you’ve received some hate mail, possibly due to trolling. Even though you attacked my character with your opinions, I’ll briefly answer your request.
Incorrect facts: He stated that in South Korea, 50% of the people are Christians, but there is only 26.3-29.2% Christians, followed by Buddhism, according to the National Census Bureau.
@Bremerxxxx AGain your reasoning power is kinda suspect. People who send hate mail are not typically well balanced mentally. I dont worry about them neither should you.
Regarding the numbers of christians in south korea i think he did cite his source. Secondly and most importantly the actual number is not relevant because it does not under mine his point.
But logic is not your strongest suite so i am not shocked that out of the whole debate, that is the only minor "fact" that Dinesh got wrong
@Bremerxxxx I think every body here would be better served if you clearly laid out the "facts" that were incorrect instead of wasting our time with your opinion.
No one on the internet knows you. I hope you are not too full of yourself that you think we all came to the same conclusions that you did after watching the video.
If that realization has just hit you after you read my response, then you should correct your assumption by enlightening those of us who think Dinesh did quite well.
Dinesh is an idiot. Hitler was a Christians, made Christians teaching mandatory, and the pope made special celebrations every year for Hitler. Mao removed all religions so that he may be looked at as a god of sorts himself. North Korea is not atheist. In fact The current dictator is believed to be the son of the original NK leader. A god, at least for the NK people. Right there, Dinesh lied. Which is to be expected of a religious person with no argument.
Dinesh should be more specific. There are many sects of Christianity that aren't growing and that are dwindling. There are some that are growing. The point isn't overall if Christianity as a class is growing, but are there any objects(sects) of the christian class that are growing? The whole point of Dennets religious schooling idea is to weed out religions that are of no benefit. So it seems logical to assume that if many churches are dwindling, than those ones are of no benefit.
".I want to know if you will apologize for misrepresenting it?" That is really funny and for that I think Dinesh should apologize. There is nothing wrong with admitting when you are wrong. It's actually a desirable quality amongst many people. Funny enough I am Theistic and I have the same fears as Dennet And I agree with him on question 4 that those were human inventions. Question 5 is a tricky one.
I love how D'Souza gets on Dennet for not citing his sources, and then goes on to state half a dozen statistics without citing his sources. Hmmm, hypocrite?
@starchaser28 Not to mention that the information was wrong even at the time of the debate. D'Souza uses the same old sources that have all been proven false. He hinks evolution leads to Nazism and Communism which is an absurd point that has no validity since the problem with the Nazi movement and Stalin movement was the placement of a figurehead, more similar to the Pope. D'Souza discredits himself with the stereotyping and inaccurate slander he puts forth as evidence. People love to hate him.
Dennet begins by offering that he wants the 'toxic' aspects of religion to be abandoned, but goes into a discussion about D'Souza's own beliefs. What exactly does Dennet want to propose? It didn't seem clear.
@jujumen I guess you could say that just a slip up. But, he is absolutely wrong. South Korea is not 50% christian, it is less than 15% between Christians and Muslims. Non-religious people make up over 60% and the largest religion is Buddhist. And the entire country structures its society around Confucius teachings. I hate D'Souza, he's full of Shit and a Liar!
And then saying that Dawkins has no comprehension for history? "This is what happens when you let a biologist out of the lab." Fuck you, D'Souza. I'm a biologist. Lots of people are biologists. We aren't people who sit isolated in labs, ignorant of the world around us trying to plot the end of theism by corrupting history. We're normal people who see and fight with religious stupidity every day in education. We know quite a bit about history, and it is not in Dinesh's favor.
My respect for D'Souza has gone from zero to negative infinity. How disrespectful and downright wrong to call Dennett's "belief system" a "metaphysical Darwinism" and proceed to tell people how evolution is responsible for Nazism, for sterilization, for eugenics, for Social Darwinism, and I'm sure anything else he doesn't like. People like him are why Dennett wants to improve education in America. Telling those lies about "metaphysical Darwinism" is corrupt. People like Dinesh are the problem.
he completely misses the point Dennet is trying to make by teaching a summary of religion in schools. D'Souza is a preacher not an intellectual.. plus his voice gives me a headeach..
I just can't take Dinesh's constant...underlying...panic. His is the throat-borne tone of a man who believes our collective embrace of his thoughts, words and feelings are necessary to build a literal ladder on which he must escape a burning building. He's a drowning swimmer, a trapped passenger in a multi-car collision, a snake-bite victim asking for anti-venin.
I don't feel like he's trying to save us. He's desperately trying to save himself.
urgk 11 hours ago
Atheists are so ignorant. It's truly sickening.
ZSH2K10 1 week ago
Dinesh D'Souza is a constant let down, never anything new, brings up the same moronic ideas no matter how many times he's shown to be wrong, he's just boring.
Solitaire8888 1 week ago
Once you put your guards down, you'll realize Dinesh's argument is more than consistent
agasperino5 1 week ago
FACT 1: Darwin's theory of evolution by natural selection says absolutely nothing regarding genocide or anti-semitism.
FACT 2: Genocide is not natural selection - it's artificial selection. Genocide is not Darwinian at all.
FACT 3: For centuries, Dinesh's church, the Roman Catholic church preached anti-semitism in Europe.
FACT 4: In the Bible, God gives direct orders for genocide.
Q.E.D.
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My god, I can't stand listening to D'Souza. It's a good thing he never brings anything new to the table - I can skip his bits without feeling like I'm deliberately avoiding the arguments. The man could just go up there and have like a checklist. Cosmological argument? Check. Atheist regimes? Check.
Fjordgnu 3 weeks ago in playlist Dinesh D'Souza Debates Daniel Dennett
Dinesh thinks of atheism as if its a religion when he accuses 'atheist' regimes of committing atrocities. Those regimes had charismatic leaders (Stalin, Pol Pot, Kim Jong Il) who were followed as if they were a god. He doesn't understand that atheism means 'lack of belief' and it does not imply anything about your way of life, whereas almost every religion does.
sashang0 3 weeks ago
Dinesh lies - atheist regimes, what a joke.
sashang0 3 weeks ago
Atheists will always say the person on their side won, no matter what. Its the same on every video whether its D'souza, Craig or any apologist that debates an atheist. No matter what the online Atheist community will say their guy won like the fan boys they are..................
jamaicanification 3 weeks ago
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@jamaicanification "No matter what the online Atheist community will say their guy won"
Do you find this strange? You realize that the only way we could not say that is if the theist had convinced us that God existed? If they have not, then almost everything they have said in a debate will have been completely without value. It has nothing to do with being a fanboy, but with the nature of the topic being discussed.
Gnomefro 3 weeks ago in playlist Dinesh D'Souza Debates Daniel Dennett
@jamaicanification I will say this though, it's amazing how most of the theists debaters not only present drivel, but also, like D'souza, come across as wildly dishonest and essentially lying for a living. To suggest that you have to be a fanboy to not think that such people would lose a debate against a rock, solely due to the nature of their own arguments, is to be deeply delusional.
Gnomefro 3 weeks ago in playlist Dinesh D'Souza Debates Daniel Dennett
@Gnomefro reallly.....thats why Christopher hitchens said that dinesh d'souza was a 'formidable opponent'? I guess the patron saint of many atheists must have been one delusional guy for believing that someone with the intelligence of a rock was formidable...........
jamaicanification 3 weeks ago
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@jamaicanification "reallly.....thats why Christopher hitchens said that dinesh d'souza was a 'formidable opponent'?"
You're confusing politeness with substance. Clearly Hitchens regards D'Souza's views as completely retarded and obviously false. That's why he is selected as an opponent, and that is what all his arguments against D'Souza's views imply.
Gnomefro 2 weeks ago
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@jamaicanification The only sense in which your comment can be meaningful is if you say that Hitchens was stating that D'Souza(Or Craig which he has made similar statements about) is capable of seducing people with claims(or outright lies and revisionist history in D'Souza's case) that Hitchens himself regarded as utter nonsense. That is a fact. It is also a moral objection against those people.
Gnomefro 2 weeks ago
If science cannot find the answer, the question remains.
Nwidmann 4 weeks ago
Why does D'souza shout into a microphone?
VidkunQL 4 weeks ago
The definition of religion is making up stuff that is not based on actual facts. It's called "believe systems" for a reason, not "knowing systems". And D'Souza is a master in this trade!
EquinoxIV 1 month ago
You have to be quite bold to call Dan Dennett an ignorant...
JulianCallens 1 month ago in playlist Dan Dennett
Fact! religion is the worst of all human inventions!
siqwon 1 month ago
HAIL SATAN! HAIL SATAN! HAIL SATAN! SLAYER!
siqwon 1 month ago
2000 dead in the inquisition? Lost a lot of credit real fast did Dinesh.
TheLockon00 1 month ago
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OWNed by D'souza. No wonder these pathetic atheist hate him. Cry more.
Seigu007 2 months ago
Dinesh is all rhetoric but no substance. The massacres of Stalin, Hitler, Mao were not a result of atheism but following for cult leaders. We have seen similar massacres carried out in the name of religion(e.g. Prophet Mo carried out 75+ raids). It was Stalinism, Nazism and Maoism and not atheism. That is what atheists are against i.e. a cult like blind following of figures for personal/political/economic gain.
We are the "brights" who believe in a naturalistic worldview.
whatslifespurpose 2 months ago
Dinesh D'Souva types in all caps.
grodzilla2 2 months ago
Beep D'Souza. He's a jerk. He's in way over his head against Dennett.
lancethrustworthy 2 months ago
I'm begging anyone who is considering debating D'Souza...don't do it, and eventually this compulsive liar might just go away. By debating hiim you're giving him a level of reputation he doesn't deserve. Go debate Craig, Kyle Butt, Gary Habermas...these guys are wrong, but they're not compulsive liars.
mjt532 3 months ago 9
@mjt532 What's he lying about?
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@atheistrocker100 the inquisition killed a lot more than 2000 people and it was the religious idea that the victims were condemned to hell anyway that allowed the executioners and torturers to ignore their cries in pain. Also there has never been an atheist regime, All the evil done by the nazis (killing jews, homosexuals, communists) was warranted by the bible, whether or not the nazis were atheist the bad things they did coincided with christian beleif.
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@mjt532 You are scared and it’s sadly telling by tone of your entire tirade. You are weak…. very weak indeed and have no idea that your emotions do not substitute as science or fact. Perhaps you should consider taking a course in logic as well. I certainly would recommend it.
Seigu007 2 months ago
@mjt532 What are the facts that Dinesh got wrong and it should be very easy to debate Dinesh if he is the liar you claim instead of running away or refusing to even listen to him like some religious nut who insulates himself for whatever personal reasons.
Jmsadv 5 days ago
@Jmsadv Been a while since I watched this, but I have made specific comments about D'Souza's misstatements. It's either in this debate, or his debate with Dan Barker. Let me know if you have a disagreement with the specific comments I made. And yes, you can lie in a debate, because if you make a couple hundred statements and lie 5-10 times, your opponent may or may not call you out on the lies, there just isn't enough time.
mjt532 4 days ago
@Jmsadv One example in his debate with Barker--in order to make Christianity look unified, he claims that Protestantism and Catholicism are 99% the same in beliefs. No way he believes that. Even among Protestant groups, the percentage isn't nearly that high. Take the most important doctrine of all, salvation--there is a great deal of disagreement. Faith alone? Faith + works? Easy believism/lordship? Once saved always saved? Can you sin too much and lose your salvation, etc...
mjt532 4 days ago
If the holy inquisition accused you, you could avoid cruel punishment by rejecting your heresy and then you had to point out two of your fellow heretics. By doing this, the church installed 'fear of your neighbor' into society. Making it seem the inquisition killed 2.000 people is dishonest reasoning, like saying "in June 1962 only 5 boys were raped in Belgium". The church said "Kill 'em all and God will recognize his own" before slaughtering the population of Béziers. Dinesh knows this.
whauffend 3 months ago
Wow, Dennett's undergrad students and fanboys trying to wipe him up from the floor in the comments here lol.. No matter what your position, if you take a step back and look OBJECTIVELY at this debate, Dennett was clearly outmatched. Dsouza vs Singer was much closer..
primomobile 4 months ago
@primomobile I agree, Dennett is points are so poor it's sad actually. Youtube idiots who think they're smart. Out of the four horsemen I think Dennett is one of the dumber ones...
samuellis 2 months ago
@primomobile Funny, because looking objectively at this debate, and taking each point as they were...showed that Dennett had literally destroyed D'Souza. Espe cially since so much of what D'souza says are...well...outright lies. When d'souza's best attacks are literally of the same kind that are debunked regularly on public access television...it's kind of sad.
BigLundi 2 months ago
@BigLundi
"Dennet destroyed D'souza"?
You, sir, were not watching this objectively, in my opinion. If you want to say he won, fine, but he did not "destroy".
Nwidmann 4 weeks ago
@Nwidmann Bringing up a good load of points that Dinesh refused to respond to, and forcing D'Souza repeatedly into the "Communism was atheistic!" ad hominem and guilt by association falacies...yeah, I think Dennett's cool head and open mindedness led to him destroying D'Souza.
BigLundi 4 weeks ago
Oh yeah, instead of just religious history we should have secular history. Great idea.
Wait...I feel like I've already taken that. It might've just been my "history" class.
This guy doesn't really say anything reasonable. He just attacks people. How is he a famous speaker? That isn't how you debate...
MandyAnn53 4 months ago
atheism and theism on their own are not to blame for any deaths. religions, however, hve an inordinate amount of blood on their hands.
men like stalin didn't kill because they didn't believe in god; they killed because of some narcissistic, sadistic ideology. likewise, bin laden didn't kill because he believed in god; he killed because he also had a twisted ideology.
if a religion tells people to kill, though, (and most do) damn right the blood is on their hands.
doaftheloaf 4 months ago
@doaftheloaf apparently dinesh doesn't understand that, nor do most theists. or maybe he doesn't want to.
doaftheloaf 4 months ago
@doaftheloaf people often mistake the Quran telling them to "kill non believers"... and thats when u get people like the taliban, but it doesnt tell them to kill anyone. What religions, because you said most, tell people to kill others for religion?
1BabyBuffalo 4 months ago
@1BabyBuffalo what is the quranic penalty for apostasy?
or the biblical penalty for working on the sabbath?
doaftheloaf 4 months ago
Dinesh is wrong when he says that people in India are now more religious, this is bull crap. No one in this generation actually believes in any of the Hindu MYTHOLOGIES, they might be just practicing hindus (their numbers also dwindling), but if you really ask them if they believe in any of that shit, answer is NO!
THEBHUPINDER1984 5 months ago
@THEBHUPINDER1984 not trying to defend d'souza (not his biggest fan), but if you haven't lived in India and seen their culture first hand, try to refrain from making such statements.
dagl086 5 months ago
@dagl086 : I grew up in India.. Was there for 25 years. I have seen the "rich" culture of India, so many gods that I find it comical.
THEBHUPINDER1984 5 months ago
Additionaly, MrMic1146 is a complete dolt. How can you be so unintelligent as to not know that the reason for D'Souza's louder voice is because he is not BORING and HE is CONVICTED in what he SAYS! duh! Its incredible to me because D'Souza presses on strongly (loudly) because he knows he is right! ...come on man.
RAZZp00 5 months ago
@RAZZp00 Autistic much?
OldManNipples 5 months ago
@RAZZp00
I don't think either of you are right. I think it's the more obvious observation: that he's just fired up. Not trying to be overwhelming, not because he thinks the louder you sound the more confident you are, but because this topic fires him up.
CaptSeriouspants 5 months ago
@RAZZp00 i agree with you completely.... he obviously knows what he is talking about, and is in the offensive Mr. Dennet gives valid argueements to a degree but cant back them up any with real information... I think Dennet was a little afraid of D'Souza hahah "um,um well umm uhh ummmm"
1BabyBuffalo 4 months ago
wow Daniel Dennett's arguments are so weak. I can't believe this guy is a professor. He "um" uses the word "um," um, a lot and "um" he doesn't even pose good questions for D'Souza at the end of the 25 m opening. He sits as a HUGE red target for attack. Its unreal how easily his questions are shot down. This is like no debate. Kinda sucks as D'Souza owns him.
RAZZp00 5 months ago
Wow Dinesh...are your face mopping the floor pissing you off so you have to using ad hominem? lol i knew he's say the crimes of atheism lol.
dkurmanov 5 months ago
@dkurmanov well Dinesh was obviously right... come on
1BabyBuffalo 4 months ago
Although this is entirely ad hominem, I think Dan Dennet seems like an infinitely more open minded, compassionate, and considerate person than D'Souza.
AraGuitar 5 months ago 6
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@AraGuitar That's ok... animals tend to lash out when feeling cornered/threatened.
Seigu007 2 months ago
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huwrj 2 weeks ago
He mad.
Savipalooza 5 months ago
Strawman fallacy
discipleoftheteapot 6 months ago
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133maxiboy 6 months ago
There are no crimes of atheism, because atheism is not a church, not a state, it does not tell you to kill anyone. It doesn't tell you anything other than an atheist rejects the supernatural BS preached by religion.
No one ever kills because they are atheists.
fredriknorand 6 months ago
@fredriknorand lol... take for example Christianity, it is an umbrella for a great number of churches. Atheism is similarly an umbrella for a great number of beliefs. If you can blame Christianity for the Crusades (which was founded on some very peculiar ideas and circumstances), or blame Islam for WTC bombings (which most muslims condemn) why can you not blame atheism for the cultural revolution in China or Stalin's gulags? Some very strange logic or just lack of imagination?
fcblaugrana0 5 months ago
@fredriknorand so your saying if i am an atheist, and i say that im going to kill a bunch of people in the name of christianity, because i said that, that means that its christianity's fault for the killing of those people?... Dude i dont think so.... and by the way religion isnt a "state" either lol... The bible doesnt tell people to kill anyone, so how about you go read it, so you can actually get your facts straight.
1BabyBuffalo 4 months ago
@1BabyBuffalo You are full of shit. The bible tells you to kill people. I don't need to read the whole book over and over, cus I'm allready an atheist. If you want, I can give you some quotes!
fredriknorand 4 months ago
@fredriknorand go ahead
1BabyBuffalo 4 months ago
@fredriknorand bashing babies against rocks (Hosea 13:16 & Psalms 137:9).
He orders another attack and the killing of “all the living creatures of the city: men and women, young, and old, as well as oxen sheep, and asses” (Joshua 6).
How do you interpret it?
fredriknorand 4 months ago
@fredriknorand go ahead
1BabyBuffalo 4 months ago
@eevil123 simply saying we're more intelligent does not account for objective moral values. You haven't presented one argument for naturalism, all you've done is talk trash and avoided the argument.
mrstevenjake22 6 months ago
@eevil123 Second, simply because we"re capable of moral reasoning does not make us better and to claim that would be to succumb to speciesism beset with delusions of moral granduer. Lastly, i did not deny evolution, i simply evaluted in on a naturalistic worldview.
mrstevenjake22 6 months ago
@eevil123 I never claimed morality was the same as science. Also i have read atheistic literature such as sam harris's Moral Landscape and it still fails to give an account for objective moral values which you seem to love to run off with your mouth about but havent presented an argument. Ive examined arguments against morality such as sociobiological objections, the euthyphro dilemma, humanism and atheistic moral platonism. But neither hold up in explaining objective moral values.
mrstevenjake22 6 months ago
@eevil123 image of God and we are commanded to love thy neighbor. Secondly, on a atheistic worldview you cant even really say that what hitler did was wrong since there is no accountability for objective moral values in a naturalistic universe. So, just because you think Hitler was wrong doesnt make it wrong because your opinions are subjective.
mrstevenjake22 6 months ago
@eevil123 I never said it gave just cause to kill people, however on a naturalistic worldview i fail to see a problem. Its funny how naturalists who believe wholeheatrtedly in evolution believe we"re just primates and nothing more. So then in that case we"re no better than the lion that eats the zebra because its simply survival of the fittest. So, when hitler killed the "weaker" he was simply weeding out the weaker "primates". However, on my christian worldview human beings are made in the
mrstevenjake22 6 months ago
@eevil123 just cause to dehumanize people.
mrstevenjake22 6 months ago
@eevil123 Its funny when non-believers claim christianity was responsible for the crusades and the inquisition, however when its clear that the belief in darwinism contributed to millions being murdered in unimaginable ways the atheists claim "it was not darwinism itself". Well of course it wasn't the direct cause just as christianity wasn't the direct cause of the crusades but when you have a belief system that is only rooted in survival and meaninglessness then people like hitler find
mrstevenjake22 6 months ago
Dinesh is wrong! Stalin, Mao, ect. they didn't do anything in the name of "atheism", their atrocities were committed out of insanity.
TreeSmoke1999 6 months ago
D'Souza completely clowned Dennetts
LOL when he said he is bringing up events that happened 500 years ago such as the inquisition, over 300 years
Atheists have nothing to grasp onto.
Communism is not christian, it is not muslim, not hindui, it is ATHEIST
You can deny it all you want, but atheism = evil and wants the world to be nothing more than a playground with an anything goes mentality
Just look at North Korea and Cuba...
TimelessApologist 6 months ago
D'Souza gets it all wrong:
-- Atheism is not a "belief system" like a religion is.
-- Darwinism did not lead to the Holocaust
-- Atheism was not the driving force behind communism. The problem with communism and Stalin, etc, was that it was too much like a religion -- a harmful dogmatism.
waretron 7 months ago
@waretron Really? Darwinism did not lead to the holocaust? Lets look at the facts: Hitler wanted to exterminate those whom he felt were not adequate to contribute to his "biologically superior" race. Therefore attempting to speed up the process of survival of the fittest he wanted a utopia of a society without sickness and illness. He believed we humans could and should transgress the law of natural selection. Seems pretty darwinian to me.
mrstevenjake22 6 months ago
I am clinching my teeth and asking why an indian could be so completely screw up in believing a god-based religion that was originally invented by some thoroughly completely screw up!
gigapedia38 7 months ago
100% of ALL times in ALL debates with no exception, Dinesh says "I eeh.." before he starts talking.
uacho 7 months ago
Atheism cannot be responsible for any crimes by definition. Definition says that atheism is ONLY about the views on humans on supernatural beings called gods. It has nothing to do with human to human relations, or humans to corporations relations, or corporations to government relations etc. This is different from relitions, that are totalitarian enough to make commands about human to human affairs thus leading to crimes.
sautterron 7 months ago
Dinesh: A very articulate moron.
stereocil 7 months ago
I almost can never watch debates with D' Souza because the man annoys me to no end. It's not because I'm an atheist because other religious debaters don't annoy me. I never feel the need to turn Rabbi Wolpe off. There is something about this man who just makes me want to plant my fist in his face.
fifimsp 7 months ago
Thumbs up if your turned the volume down the minute Dinesh started speaking.
He feels perhaps that screaming makes it seem like he is uttering the truth.
Saurabhopithecus 7 months ago
D'Souza thinks that raising his voice makes him more credible. He sounds almost hysteric. Also, he never addresses the fact that themost rapidly growing segment in the world are the "Nones." With regard to his problem with teaching the world's religions, Dennett was very clear about the curriculm: just the facts of belief, practices, etc. Pretty neutral. D'Souza constantly engages in covert ad hominem attacks in that high pitched, hysterical voice of his.
BrentGrainger2000 7 months ago
At 4:20 Dinesh claims an increase in Hinduism, not in the numbers of Hindus, but in the level of devotion? Am I alone in questioning this as a statistic? I believe it might be had to prove. Firstly there is the increased wealth of India, and secondly the religious nationalism of the BJP, which I feel might confuse figures like temple building.
gamesbok 7 months ago
Dinesh is soooooooooooooooooooooooooo irritating and arrogant and stupid and....
Stop shouting you ignorant demented toad
az091186 7 months ago
Dinesh is soooooooooooooooooooooooooo irritating and arrogant and stupid and....
az091186 7 months ago
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iamFegor 8 months ago
tens of thousands of South Korean missionaries coming to Europe and America? And you say we're not entitled to our own facts... lolz
iamFegor 8 months ago
@iamFegor He is entitled to his own facts. His verbal sleight of hand is amazing. Every time I see D'Souza attempt refutation of others' facts, his smoke-and-mirror routine is incredible whether he creates his own facts or distorts the comparison into an apples/oranges disputation. He is also very good at covert ad hominem attacks. He seems so smart and rational on the surface. Watching him debate always leaves me grasping for fistfuls of my own hair.
InsulatedSynapse 7 months ago in playlist Religion
Dinish D' Souza disproves evolution...natural selection cannot select this fool:D
kemalcs 8 months ago
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this was informative & helpful discussion;.I think it may also prove helpful to some of the viewers here to try to evaluate many of the more aggressive claims of the anti-theist critique ("brights") from a ideological/ metaphysics perspective. Check out the recent article by Jackson Lears in the May 16, 2011 issue of the The Nation entitled "Same Old New Atheism" .The article offers a compelling analysis of Sam Harris' works. Consideration is given to general atheistic social perspectives
shieldsff 8 months ago
God, this fking moron is a disgrace to the human race. outright lier, ethics-less bastard, resorting to personal attacks since he has no solid rebuttals
json2040 8 months ago
D'Souza is a compulsive liar.
LawngCat 8 months ago
I think D'Souza just set a new bullshit spewing record... from zero to Hitler in under 4 minutes!
hardinmichael1981 9 months ago 8
Seeing all these comments that are against religion makes me very happy. To know that the youth is opening up their eyes and seeking truth is amazing. There is hope for us yet!!!
ss101188 9 months ago
Atheist regimes? What Atheist regimes? These regimes are politically motivated, to say they kill people particularly BECAUSE they're Atheist is absurd. Its simply to keep political control, being loyal to the church or a god interfered with loyalty to the state. North Korea for example, to say they are the way they are BECAUSE they're Atheistic, is just false.
TO0DLES213 9 months ago 2
THE ATHEIST REGIMES!!!!1
- D'Souza
igniteice 9 months ago
Notice how D,Souza gets very loud.Just like a preacher.Trying to overwhelm his listeners.
MrMic1146 9 months ago 10
@MrMic114 Dinesh loves to use mile long words.
obsthetimes 7 months ago
@MrMic1146 Or maybe he just has a loud voice
pantherfanatic7 6 months ago
@pantherfanatic7 its not just decibel level... there is a pretty obvious fervor and intensity to his speech. Very different from Dennett almost impersonal presentation. I was watching this in public and even though I disagree with a lot of what Dennett said, I had to stop it when D'souza came on because it was just too much...
fcblaugrana0 5 months ago
@fcblaugrana0 But just because he is very passionate about what he is saying doesn't mean he's using some underlying trick to "overwhelm his listeners"
pantherfanatic7 5 months ago
@MrMic1146 how is it overwhelming? i thought it was pretty overwhelming having to listen to Dennett say um um um, and giving some graphs and pictures that hardly has anything to do with what his argue was about.
1BabyBuffalo 4 months ago
is he mad or something?
aricxx1234 9 months ago
I'm pretty sure Dinesh sucks on bull dicks. He siphons the sperm from funnels fashioned from the Old Testament.
reinforcedpenisstem 9 months ago 2
I fell asleep during the "brilliant" Dennett's amateur slides...
TRAC4US 9 months ago
@TRAC4US This just means you have a low attention span and were not listening to the actual words being spoken... What were his slides supposed to show, colorful cartoons? They are just pictures. If you are "bored" by his arguments that is a whole separate complaint. Maybe next time Dennett will put up slides completely unrelated to what he's talking about so you can be entertained?
scsublett 8 months ago
@scsublett Listen dummy, I listened to every word and guess what? It was STILL boring!
TRAC4US 8 months ago
So Dinesh is on board about teaching religion and atheism in schools?! Great. I'm on board as well. Atheism contains no doctrine about violence. Any human being has the capacity to make turn to violence on their own regard. Teaching about anyone's cruel interpretation of a subject is a part of history. Let's teach it all.
estevancarlos 10 months ago
Dinesh apparently thought that the screaming demagogue approach was the best tactics to go for.
Nazis!
I win..
ArgusEyes 10 months ago 2
Everything that Dinesh says should be taught in school about atrocities is already taught in school about atrocities...it's called "History Class."
jamesharrel 10 months ago 8
(2/2) Daniel simply suggusted in his school course idea that children learn about what each religion claims and says about their own beliefs. Denish misses the point and twists what Daniel is saying as always.
nystrom 10 months ago
(1/2) Denish proposes to Daniel that the body counts of people who have died at the hand of others in the name of their beliefs should be included in Daniel's proposed school program. I don't agree with Denish that not believing in a god has made people murder others as Denish seems to think, I'll play along and say he's correct. Even if you grant him that, the dead bodies produced by religions has nothing to do with the school class idea proposed by Daniel. D
nystrom 10 months ago
Skip to part 7 if you get sick of D'Souza after the first minute of him blathering.
rjc34 10 months ago
2 Minutes in and he already brings up Hitler? D'Souza is a fucking joke.
rjc34 10 months ago
If you haven't read the book that D'Souza cites, then don't knock his comment.
jbertclassic 10 months ago
Nazis were Catholic Christians. Dinesh is such a lier
srikargottipati 10 months ago
Holy shit, what a dick dinesh
shandcunt 10 months ago 3
What is human intelligence? is it natural that you are intelligent without reading? without knowing? There is a child who is locked up and doesn't know how to speak and how to write. Means that if we will not study we will never learn. All the great thinkers have studied but we cannot go to heaven by intelligence but out of love. Some say that we don't need God to love but love comes from religion which teaches God. Those who don't have God would eat even people. Valtorta.org readandsearch
krizzia1000 11 months ago
@krizzia1000 I don't have god and I don't eat people... as Dennett points out a good 16 percent of us don't have god, and we don't eat people. Nice try at the transcendental argument though, it just makes you look like a prick.
rjc34 10 months ago
@rjc34 I will pray to the good Lord that He may grant you the grace to read and contemplate His holy life through His servant Maria Valtorta where He is explaining everything if you visit and read all the free readings at valtorta.org I am sure 101 percent sure you will change your mind that there is no God. God loves you so much!
krizzia1000 9 months ago
@krizzia1000 I went to valtorta.org and examined the claims....I am even more of an atheist now, if that's possible. Can you tell me what went wrong? I also have a grievance with the claim that any soldier who prays to a cup of blood will not be defeated in battle. I know religious people who have been killed in battle. Please explain this. Did they not pray the right amount of time/say the right words? Jesus didn't like them, or he "needed" them in heaven? Why didn't the prayer work?
scsublett 8 months ago
As soon as D'Souza likened Darwinism to eugenics I face palmed and skipped forward to Dennett's rebuttal
ultimatumjs 11 months ago 2
@ultimatumjs When they bring up Hitler as one of their main points you know it's going to be bad...
rjc34 10 months ago
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@rjc34 reductio ad hitlerum
ultimatumjs 10 months ago
HAHAHAHAHA THE PANTS JOKE!!! DINESH ALWAYS GETS ME WITH THE PANTS JOKE!!!!!! fail.
SMDavis53 11 months ago
"Facts that can be debated."
Or, as anyone with a dictionary might want to label them, opinions.
Pudabudigada 11 months ago
Damn, Dinesh is so intellectually out of his league.
He makes his lack of understanding obvious IMMEDIATELY when he replies to the posed question by suggesting that social darwinism be taught in a class of world religion.
Also, Hitler and much of Nazi Germany were not atheist, but devout Catholics.
justinloeb 11 months ago
Damn, Dinesh is so intellectually out of his league.
He makes his lack of understanding obvious IMMEDIATELY when he replies to the posed question by suggesting that social darwinism be taught in a class of world religion.
Also, Hitler and much of Nazi Germany were not atheist, but devout Catholics.
justinloeb 11 months ago 2
D'Souze, what an idiot. "not in the number of nominal Hindus but in the level of devotion" Is that not very similar to what Dannett said about religion not growing in numbers but growing in volume? How then is Dannett wrong?
kairobinson 11 months ago
Also in one debate he says "2000 people killed over 150 years" and another "2000 people killed over 300 years" .... oh dear.
Fyapowar 11 months ago
Damn that infuriating idiot D'Souza regurgitates the same idiotic jokes and arguments throughout every debate regardless of what the subject is supposed to be ... ugh.......... he makes a mockery of this whole affair.
Fyapowar 11 months ago
"christianity is spreading like wildfire". Yes, with pretty much the same consequences.
TheAbyrwalg 11 months ago
@ karamarouge
You post with ad hominem attacks, ignore the "incorrect assumptions" I listed, presume that his error with North Korea doesn't matter, or seems to be his only logical flaw. I posted only a few examples of flaws in his logic, which I caught by hearing him speak for only a few minutes.
Listen to the rest of the debate and judge for yourself.
Bremerxxxx 11 months ago
What the hell is Dinesh talking about?? Citing murders "in the name of atheism" does not prove the existence of God.
existence88 11 months ago
@existence88 jesus christ there are a lot of dumb people on the internet.
How in the heck did you come to the conclusion that this was his argument? He never said anything like that but some how, this is what you heard?
ARe you serious?
karamarouge 11 months ago
Part 4:
I called him emotionally driven, because he screams during much of the debate.
Bremerxxxx 11 months ago
Part 3:
Incorrect assumptions: He’s conflating the number of Hindus with the “level of devotion” which cannot be accurately judged. He’s uses a straw man for Darwinism, tries to show that correlation equals causation (comparing atheism to Nazi/Stalinist morality and methods), and excuses the Inquisition because it happened centuries ago.
Bremerxxxx 11 months ago
Part 2:
According to the World Christian Data Base, there are 40% Christians in South Korea and 2% Christians in North Korea in 2005. On the other hand, he’s correct about Africa significantly growing in Christianity, but he only includes some of the beneficial reasons for Christianity in Africa, but never mentions the darker parts of Christian imposition, such as British Colonialism.
Bremerxxxx 11 months ago
@karamarouge
(Part 1)
I see by your page that you’ve received some hate mail, possibly due to trolling. Even though you attacked my character with your opinions, I’ll briefly answer your request.
Incorrect facts: He stated that in South Korea, 50% of the people are Christians, but there is only 26.3-29.2% Christians, followed by Buddhism, according to the National Census Bureau.
Bremerxxxx 11 months ago
@Bremerxxxx AGain your reasoning power is kinda suspect. People who send hate mail are not typically well balanced mentally. I dont worry about them neither should you.
Regarding the numbers of christians in south korea i think he did cite his source. Secondly and most importantly the actual number is not relevant because it does not under mine his point.
But logic is not your strongest suite so i am not shocked that out of the whole debate, that is the only minor "fact" that Dinesh got wrong
karamarouge 11 months ago
Dinesh D'Souza is so silly.
mrmelkor1 11 months ago
He said Ceausescu' . O. o fuck!
Mitza77Yorkster 1 year ago
I cringed throughout D'Souza's factually incorrect and personally biased rant. He seems emotionally and subjectively driven.
Bremerxxxx 1 year ago
@Bremerxxxx I think every body here would be better served if you clearly laid out the "facts" that were incorrect instead of wasting our time with your opinion.
No one on the internet knows you. I hope you are not too full of yourself that you think we all came to the same conclusions that you did after watching the video.
If that realization has just hit you after you read my response, then you should correct your assumption by enlightening those of us who think Dinesh did quite well.
karamarouge 11 months ago
after 6:12 i decided not to watch dsouzas speech...such stupid statements are just not worth to listen to
Serpico261 1 year ago
Dinesh is an idiot. Hitler was a Christians, made Christians teaching mandatory, and the pope made special celebrations every year for Hitler. Mao removed all religions so that he may be looked at as a god of sorts himself. North Korea is not atheist. In fact The current dictator is believed to be the son of the original NK leader. A god, at least for the NK people. Right there, Dinesh lied. Which is to be expected of a religious person with no argument.
ImBackAJ20101 1 year ago 2
Dinesh should be more specific. There are many sects of Christianity that aren't growing and that are dwindling. There are some that are growing. The point isn't overall if Christianity as a class is growing, but are there any objects(sects) of the christian class that are growing? The whole point of Dennets religious schooling idea is to weed out religions that are of no benefit. So it seems logical to assume that if many churches are dwindling, than those ones are of no benefit.
luvlatinmamis 1 year ago
".I want to know if you will apologize for misrepresenting it?" That is really funny and for that I think Dinesh should apologize. There is nothing wrong with admitting when you are wrong. It's actually a desirable quality amongst many people. Funny enough I am Theistic and I have the same fears as Dennet And I agree with him on question 4 that those were human inventions. Question 5 is a tricky one.
luvlatinmamis 1 year ago
Crimes of atheism = crimes of non-hobbying...
Poltionorch 1 year ago
Dinesh D'Souza attacks my prophets Nietzsche and Denett in his vociferous expression of stupidity! Kill Dinesh D'Souza! Kill the Infidel!
tarnicles 1 year ago
I love how D'Souza gets on Dennet for not citing his sources, and then goes on to state half a dozen statistics without citing his sources. Hmmm, hypocrite?
starchaser28 1 year ago
@starchaser28 Not to mention that the information was wrong even at the time of the debate. D'Souza uses the same old sources that have all been proven false. He hinks evolution leads to Nazism and Communism which is an absurd point that has no validity since the problem with the Nazi movement and Stalin movement was the placement of a figurehead, more similar to the Pope. D'Souza discredits himself with the stereotyping and inaccurate slander he puts forth as evidence. People love to hate him.
SmogHouseTradingCo 1 year ago
Dennet begins by offering that he wants the 'toxic' aspects of religion to be abandoned, but goes into a discussion about D'Souza's own beliefs. What exactly does Dennet want to propose? It didn't seem clear.
LothairOfLorraine 1 year ago
i didnt know south Korea was continent (4:36)
jujumen 1 year ago
@jujumen I guess you could say that just a slip up. But, he is absolutely wrong. South Korea is not 50% christian, it is less than 15% between Christians and Muslims. Non-religious people make up over 60% and the largest religion is Buddhist. And the entire country structures its society around Confucius teachings. I hate D'Souza, he's full of Shit and a Liar!
edosan88 1 year ago
Man Dennet is such a tactful little shit. I love his questions at the end.
caseybv74 1 year ago
And then saying that Dawkins has no comprehension for history? "This is what happens when you let a biologist out of the lab." Fuck you, D'Souza. I'm a biologist. Lots of people are biologists. We aren't people who sit isolated in labs, ignorant of the world around us trying to plot the end of theism by corrupting history. We're normal people who see and fight with religious stupidity every day in education. We know quite a bit about history, and it is not in Dinesh's favor.
Klazzt 1 year ago
My respect for D'Souza has gone from zero to negative infinity. How disrespectful and downright wrong to call Dennett's "belief system" a "metaphysical Darwinism" and proceed to tell people how evolution is responsible for Nazism, for sterilization, for eugenics, for Social Darwinism, and I'm sure anything else he doesn't like. People like him are why Dennett wants to improve education in America. Telling those lies about "metaphysical Darwinism" is corrupt. People like Dinesh are the problem.
Klazzt 1 year ago
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he completely misses the point Dennet is trying to make by teaching a summary of religion in schools. D'Souza is a preacher not an intellectual.. plus his voice gives me a headeach..
towlex 1 year ago
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towlex 1 year ago
Despots killing in the name of atheism? Hm, not sure.
dkwonism 1 year ago
50% South Koreans are Christians? You put an additional zero at the end of 5.
dkwonism 1 year ago
@dkwonism
I hope you are correct
liandzbergis 1 year ago
Dinesh is a nonsensical twat...
TheGrahamBrechin 1 year ago
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brandon71085 1 year ago