Hitchens v Wilson - Christianity vs Athiesm (1 of 11)

[rockstorm96]

i do not get why anybody would want to be athiest, could someone explain to me please?

[frunchzz]

@rockstorm96 It is the most logical choice, and the only one that doesn't smell of utter bullshit

[keithrose4227]

@rockstorm96 I would be glad to. it is the ultimate form of freedom. I wouldn't want to be embarrassed by having to stick up for all the evil that religion brings to the world or all the fairy tales and nonsense from the dark ages. Atheism is intellectually stimulating. And when you realize that this is the only life you get, you enjoy it a hell of a lot more.

[keithrose4227]

@rockstorm96 oh, also, religion is immoral. When your religious you don't take responsibility for your own actions. you can do whatever you want, and because jesus "died for our sins" it doesnt matter what you do. you can just say a few prayers act like your sorry and still get to heaven. that is wrong

[slydubz]

religion = bullshit, if you are a christian you have to agree with everything in the bible, which includes adam and eve, and the earth being made in 6 days or some shit, this is clearly bullshit, its called evolution and the big bang which makes perfect sense. Athiesm is the cure to religion

[Resenbrink]

Wilson wastes his obvious intellect on the defense of bullshit.

[JennaSmith987]

Begins at 5:50

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[JakeRech]

@Mr88playmaker. Rofl the smartest kid in your class would say "and how do you know this?" and you will say "well we don't know, so we've created a circular argument" I don't care what you believe, I'm just going to remind you that your apart of something very evil. Class dismissed.

[JakeRech]

Too prove my 'slander' statement is the corresponding example of a "Nazi". There you have it, a fact...

[JakeRech]

My point is, have a look at your history and ask yourself, did your local preacher (parents, teacher or priest) mention this dark history? Religion may have molded you into a good person, but always remember... Your religion is only still around because of all the blood shed. Religious people slander their own names with their chosen faith.

[JakeRech]

"A religious person can educate the nieve about their foundations, principals and origin of their chosen faith, whether it has a good moral code there's always that dark side they so conveintatly avoid: Murder, Genocide, Rape, Torture and Slavery. All religions are tainted" - jakerech

[TheCikedo]

I literally stopped watching the video when he said, and I FUCKING quote, "I don't reject evidences, but I'm not an evidentialist. I believe that evidences have their place in apologetics, but I don't believe that they should be foundational."

Evidence shouldn't be foundational? ...Who the fuck is this guy kidding.

[TUItilidie]

@TheCikedo i find it funny that are actually people that stupid on this planet

[TheCikedo]

@TUItilidie I find it depressing :/

[Indojackal]

@TheCikedo haha you're aweome :P

[Mr88playmaker]

Proof that Atheists are illogical dummies.

There are only two options:

(1) Intelligence arises from an INTELLIGENT source (the MIND of GOD)

(2) Intelligence arises from a NON-intelligent source.

To their embarrassment, Atheists are stuck with option no.2 ---- a position that can NOT be logically or scientifically defended.

FUNNY but TRUE: Atheists maintain that logic arises out of meaningless random chaos and is continually evolving via meaningless random chaos.

Class dismissed.

[danielfochtman]

@Mr88playmaker

This statement is ignorant at best. Let me give you an example.

When babies are born, or developing, they lack intelligence. They are in fact athiests at birth until their parents teach them about God, Allah, Jehovah, Zeus, the Flying Spaghetti Monster or Santa Clause. We continue to grow more and more intelligent as our life progresses. Then we pass that knowledge down to our kids, thus every generation, we become a little bit more intelligent.

[Redcaster916]

If you start watching make sure you watch part 10 and 11, the closing is superb.

[BlackFox0911]

If we live for nothing, then we die for nothing. Life then is nothing more than a contradiction

[Makotoichio]

When he said "and many childrens books" I got chills :O That's scary.

[elitesack]

Athiests are pussys. Jesus walked into a church and beat peoples asses. No athiest in modern times has done this.

[XpEAnUTBuTtERsUckSX]

@elitesack oh ye, 1st century paestine in one of the most recorded era's in history, yet there in no i repeat NO record of a man starting a fight in temple passover!

Id fucking kill that insane hippy pussy anyways

[pcknights90]

it's more important to disregard all the semantics, find a set of principle and stick to them no matter what others have to say. in choseing to have judeo-christian principles i find my life to be more meaningful, fulfilling and i find strength in scripture that gets me through the tough times. idc what the arguments for or against are, i know what works.

[snowute2]

they just put out a movie called "collision" it was pretty good wilson always hijacks the debate and takes it away from the questions asked

[tonybeak]

Spread the TRUTH! FREE THE PEOPLE.

Kindness is our true religion.

Love all of you!

[caboose0444]

@tonybeak Thats what i like to see! not "GOD DOESEN'T EXIST FAGGOT" or "PRAISE THE LAWD, HE IS OUR SAVIOR." but a happy go lucky athiest spreading a good message.

[XpEAnUTBuTtERsUckSX]

@tonybeak right on dude

[Achilles9924]

@tonybeak FAG

[YeahThrashMaster]

@tonybeak LOVE YOU TOO!

[bigbody8822]

Hitchens destroys this man by the end of the debate, I myself am an agnostic. TO BE FAIR to Wilson, who is an intelligent man he is trying to defend what science and most intelligent people see as indefensible. Religion gets disproven more and more as science progresses. So if the Christians cant win the arguments now as seen in this debate, it will not get any easier. Cut your losses Christians and enjoy life for what it is.

[BruNoLoCc]

You say , "Enjoy life for what it is."

What is life?

[mrw21]

@BruNoLoCc

Stupid question. If I answered you with "life is a collection of experiences, etc" you'd say, "what is experience"? Who cares? Some things are irreducibly true. They just ARE. Period. As 1984's, Winston, says, "Truisms are true. The solid world exists, it's laws do not change. Stones are hard, water is wet, objects unsupported fall toward the earth's center. Freedom, then, is the freedom to say 2 + 2 makes 4. If that is granted, all else follows." Why complicate things any further?

[slimithy12]

@bigbody8822 i am also an agnostic. however i dont think science with ever dissprove god. i think there are things that people want to believe and that is that. if people want to beieve that they will see a loved one in another life or that evil people will be judged in the here after, there is nothing that fat, condescending, alcoholic , know it all's like hitchens will say to make them throw their faith away. the main reason is that he will never offer anything positive in its place.

[XpEAnUTBuTtERsUckSX]

@slimithy12 can we disprove gay Irish fairy people, can we disprove unicorns, no we cannot, you cannot disprove a negative, agnostics always say you cannot prove nor disprove like somehow the evidence is 50\50. If i said to you I believe that obama is really a child molesting female wizard you would think im fuckng insane or just laugh, but try and disprove it.

[slimithy12]

@XpEAnUTBuTtERsUckSX very true but but that was not my point the point i was trying to make

[fantem]

@bigbody8822 so basically you are anti religion or even anti christ. Would you comfortable or be at ease when saying that you are the people of anti christ. Would that be ok for me to call you that.Since you dont worry or care or believe in religion... Are you proud to be among the many people who is anti christ.. Or do you think there is shame in admitting you are anti religion or anti christ..

[chris200830]

@fantem i wouldn't mind being called an anti-christ. no, there is no shame in admitting that someone is anti-religious, because they've moved past their delusional and close-minded views of the world.

[VegasSkateCulture]

@bigbody8822 Im Christian, and I've cut my losses a long time ago. Don't lump peoples into huge categories like that.

"Religion gets disproven more and more as science progresses"

Yeah atheist always say that. but the way I see it, Religion gets disproven, but God doesn't. There are a ton of people who view God int their own way. Hate the messenger, not the message.

[t3hlulz]

@VegasSkateCulture I see what you mean, though hasn't it occured to you that a credible PROOF of god should be more valuable to you than any disproof?

[VegasSkateCulture]

@t3hlulz

well of course. physical proof of god, scientific linear proof of god would be the most valuable scientific discovery i can think of. however the Buddhist strictly believe that god cannot be believed in, only experienced. thats why they do not worship, they do not pray, they do not pay tithe or anything stupid like that, they just meditate constantly. so i think atheist should try that out before judging the concept all together.

[voodoocigam]

@VegasSkateCulture interesting comment.

[fdasherv]

@VegasSkateCulture But that comes with the territory when you create your own religion. Joining an established religion that does not "experience" god is another matter. The god of the bible was an interactive, tangible being who somehow left no evidence of his comings and goings. Tall order for a convert.

[rangergxi]

@bigbody8822 Agnostic Athiest? Agnostic Theist?

[M3t4lManiac]

@bigbody8822 No, you're an atheist. There is no middle-ground, you are either a believer or a non-believer. Gnosticism only defines what you claim to know, thus it is not mutually exclusive with either theism nor atheism. Just wanted to let you know, people get these definitions wrong all the time.

[faelismaegnus]

@bigbody8822 Define what you mean when you say "science", please. Much of it has been disproved over the centuries. Science has dis-proven science time and again, and science is limited by human limitations. Your agnosticism is cognitive dissonance. You are in fact an atheist. Agnosticism is saying "I don't know for sure so I don't believe in God." That's just another form of atheism.

[CigawTaRezmaster]

I'll speak agnostically. Why can God have only one son? Why does he have to die? Why do we exist without reason, and if so why would we have consciously knowledge or care about it for that matter? Both theories are logically flawed. If we accept one word as law, we are blinded. If we accept all words as possibilities than nothing can be decided upon. Perhaps the principles of religion can be used in the theories of atheism....

Oh wait, its called agnosticism nevermind.

[TheLostRealist1985]

Not at all. The Atheistic approach looks at evolution and finds that our goodness our "caring" all have roots in Darwinistic natural selection.

And no my friend, that is certainly not what agnosticism means. To be agnostic is to say that we don't know the truth AND the truth is FOREVER unknowable. We may not have a definite answer right now, but that doesn't mean that we never will or never can!

[MrsPhineasT]

Wilson is making a foreboding disclaimer - throwing the mumbo jumbo around pretty liberally and telling people how they should interpret Hitchens. That's a common technique to sway the listener prior to the actual debate. It makes me suspect his points will be weak. Hitchens is probably going to shred them mercilessly - this should be interesting. On to Part 2.

[TheNewProphetisHere]

hitchens is wearing a poppy so its round about end of october start of november time, he wears it in remembrance of the soliders that died for our freedom, and that day is the 11th of the 11th , if you don't know any thing about it you should check it out the somme and verdun on youtube they are some of the battles from ww1. but not sure of the year, try and find out the year that he got american citizenship then you'll find the year in wehich this was held

[rba718]

Apologetics class? Scary.

[godlessKnowledge]

well it hardly happened last week after the video was posted. lol

[saqib09]

lol

[senorsquiid]

Always with the long tedious introductions.

[untamedgorilla]

senorsquiid - "Always with the long tedious introductions."

You ungrateful little prick! If the uploader cut it, some stupid shit would say the opposite: what happened during the introduction?

In less time than it took you to make that comment, you could have fast-forwarded to the debate.

Ous114 - thanks for taking the time to upload an interesting debate!

[Ous114]

First was an introduction, so I didn't include it just for the sake of time

[bcmalloy]

Go two Christians to pray I would win the lottery, so much for Christianity......

[jenskj2]

Think so...

Oh, and second!

[Blingy98]

First?