No organization in the beginning doomed them. Too many guys standing around doing nothing and getting wet. Should have had designated men working on the fire from the moment they got there. Another group gathering wood and another shelter building.
Dave can you let me know what kind of camcorder you are using because I see it has good lighting for night and it has a good mic. I am looking for something similar. Can you recommend anything?
i would have appointed someone to lead then assesed what we had taken ideas then put them to practice to many people jumping straight in. then they split building two different shelters they should have worked as a team.
I had a good idea who the secret survival instructor was, but I'm not sure I would have fared any better than these guys did. I don't have any decent cold weather clothing that would have been helpful in this situation. And I have never started a fire with either a bow drill or a broken flashlight before. But, watching these guys and seeing Dave point out their mistakes is helpful, so I think I'm a little better off after seeing this video than I was beforehand. Awesome video.
I think you're still missing the point... I'm not saying you're wrong about anything you've said, I'm only saying that after a cold and rough night for these two guys, without a fire or much in the way of food, they shouldn't have had their shaky hands so close together while "carving". They were hardly "carving", just getting shavings for the start of a fire. That wasn't the type of thing to practice in order to develop a skill, it was a sleepy mistake that could have led to an accident.
Some REALLY dangerous knife handling from 42:37 - 42:45. The camo guy cutting above the hands of the other fella, who is cutting towards himself. Just BEGGING for a mishap...
@BravoAlphaLimaJR I have been carving since I was first handed a knife at age five and never needed a stitch due to knife a injury. I have learned how to safely carve towards myself and while I don't recommend it for novices, I do teach these techniques to advanced wood-carvers. As with many tasks, there are levels of control gained with experience that to the beginner look dangerous, but in the hands of the skilled are quite safe and used often and effectively.
@michaelpewtherer That's fine, but that's not the point. These are supposed to be 'students'. I can carve towards myself and not slash my thumb as well, but I wouldn't be doing that in any thing but a controlled environment. And directly underneath the shaky, novice hands of the camo guy, is not safe nor smart. It just takes one uncontrolled motion from the guy on top, to knock your hands and send that blade towards you.
@michaelpewtherer Self Reliance includes self-preservation. And if you carry out actions that could injure yourself or compromise your physical abilities, then you're doing it wrong. There's NO room for errors with knives in a survival scenario. Second to your knowledge, your hands are vital to success. Take them out of the equation, and you're screwed!
These weren't wood carvers in a shop, they were in the bush and weren't in TOTAL control of their movements.
@BravoAlphaLimaJR There are inherent risks in everything we do, you could sprain an ankle climbing up a hill or going down one, we could get creamed by a car while crossing the street or cut ourselves while carving and that is why survival skills are just that: skills. They take practice, converting what might be perceived as reckless into a skilled action. If I don't use my hands for fear of sustaining an injury than I might as well not have them. Practice leads to skill.
Dave, there is one thing that I'd like to see on your channel, is because I'm a "Disabled-Adventurer" (no wheelchair, yet), but I'd like to see a few situations for people who have slight or before major disabilities, who still enjoy the outdoors, how we might effect self rescue dealing with those issues. If you need some input, please contact me!
@Ghostologist I am starting to film soon, and my channel will focus on outdoor and survival skills and similar situations, but they will be from the point of view of the disabled, handicapped, or those otherwise unable to do things exactly the way as everyone else. We will focus on teaching survival and outdoor bushcraft skills that anyone regardless of physical condition can do. Being disabled myself, I have always had to find creative ways of looking at these situations.
Dave, I think this a great reality tool to show people who would like to be "Survivalists" and who haven't been in the military, what "Real" survival is all about! I applaud you on this project and that you show the everyday, "Common-Man" that even though you think you're prepared, you never really are and have to adapt and overcome whatever situation that you're in. -Disabled Adventurer
@dgoldman1982 Basicly the lens of the flash light reflects the heat from the sun onto the tinder. Imagine it like a funnel. All the light gets channeled into one spot which makes alot of heat which then ignites the tinder. Hope this helps you understand! Wulamallessin my friend!
I was wandering why the cave wasnt utilized as shelter? seems to me would have been dry and already made. plus easier to get a fire going if you got some debris from the cave. Hell could have probably kept them all there on first night. maybe im wrong let me know.
@backpacker692012 That was one of the mistakes made as Dave said. They didn't recon the area. They walked 100 or so yards and then just set up camp. Remember S.T.O.P Stop. Think. Orientate. Plan!
I took a 6 x ten tarp and made a tent. It's still up and inside I could continue to make a fire. Which I could send a picture. Took me half and hour to set up.
i'd love to do this stuff...i'm regoing over alot of things becuz me & a few friends are leaving for the Appalachian Trail in mid-April....I'm tryin to talk them into taking your classes right before since you have class in april...its on our way to georgia & the beginning of the trail****
This is REAL! 60% Perished! 30% survived. Would the other guy survived if not paired with an Instructor - Hard to say. 1st night temp. shelter - good tarp on top and ratty tarp underneath as ground sheet tape all the holes with duct tape. build your fire under the lead edge of your good tarp so wood stays dry - cooking fire burns less fuel than a Bonfire. By sleeping next to each other you conserve body heat. Everyone was doing their own thing - No Leadership!
@grant9908 There you go. My 14 yr old son,myself, nephew and his 14 yr old step son went on a backpacking trip into national forest. My son got bent out of shape because he could not get up the embankment without spilling the water he was sent to get. My lesson to him. Stay cool and figure a way. Don't give up.
We didn't find the shotgun shell right away. Almost 4 pm when we found it. Sunset at 545. It was tough. The video does show some standing around but it is not too accurate of everybody collecting wood and building their shelter. I was number three that left. I had never even thought of trying anything like this before. Upon retrospect we should have went to the caves. We would have been cold and dry, not cold and wet.
Great vid I finally had time to watch it. Lots of info to ponder on from this. Thanks for sharing this and thanks to all involved including the ones that quite. Like the one survivor said with your pack it's a walk in the park but with out it IT"S HELL. Good job guys.
Great video. The major problem you will find with all of this stuff is that you will always find guys who don't take it seriously enough, and do not contribute much besides their "wisdom". (even if it is life threatening instead of monitored) It is one thing to think you can do it or that it is easy, quite another when it is your butt that is wet and freezing. If you are going to live this life, or even if it is just a hobby or a backup skill set, preparation and practice is essential.
Finally they made that fire! Wow! The Turning point of the video. Dave, I think this is seriously one of the best things I've seen from you yet, well done sir! Props to everyone who let Dave use them as a guinea pig and extra respect to the two that made it. I don't care if one of you is a pro!
@pepple84 We took the dust that we made with the bowdrill and placed into the flashlight lens and reflected the sun into the dust. When it was centered in the correct spot the dust turned bright white and after a couple minutes it started smoking then gave us an ember. I was under the impression that it had to be summer time outside for that to happen but thankfully it works all year round :)
my worst camping experience was in -20 . the dude played on his cellphone and only cut one wet huge birch tree .
he did not know how to light the fire or get dry wood. and burned 4 peice out of my 4 peice sleep system by trowing live folded spruce branches in the fire that sprung back coals in my sleep area . then he argues bushcraft is gay and my bed of spruce bows is for sisies ... so i let my gear burn not a word , i let him insult me and bushcraft . he now avoids me cuz i tould him he suck
Well actually though many mistakes were made those mistakes allow us to analyze the situation better than if we had just done everything correctly. I learned alot from this video about how people want to react. As usual thank you very much Dave for this information and keep up the good work
Just shows how easy it is to give up! What if it wasn't on SAN giving up would mean the search party found your ass dead. Great video can't wait for the next scenario!!!
First thing I noticed was, They didn't try to warm up that battery in their clothingor take it apart looking for a couple of the D batteries that were still good. Looking forward to see what happens in Feb.
First thing I noticed was, They didn't try to warm up that battery in their clothingor take it apart looking for a couple of the D batteries that were still good. Looking forward to see what happens in Feb.
First thing I noticed was, They didn't try to warm up that battery in their clothingor take it apart looking for a couple of the D batteries that were still good. Looking forward to see what happens in Feb.
Good comments Dave and I think you and Mike both made very fair assessments.
Two things I had been thinking about were: 5 guys can each build a small shelter in a couple of hours, but a shelter big enough to hold them all, if properly sited, takes just a little longer.
Also, the advantages of staying dry as much as possible and sharing body heat in an enclosed area ( especially if they could not get a fire going) should have been considered.
I keep thinking I woukd have tried mixing a few grains of powder from the shell with the coal dust from the bow drill and try to spark that with the battery. Then again I might have lost my eyebrows. I just find it hard to believe they wouldn't try to use the shell.
Good show. Mike Putherer reminds me of my brother when he used to go on "survival missions" when we were kids. He would eat crickets, build trash-shelters (which we called forts), drink out of the creek, and do many other things y'all did. But we weren't allowed to build a fire. (We were just kids and only a few hundred yards from the house. lol) But survival skills are worth getting and developing. So again, good show.
Great project! Quick note on not eating noodles - not a picky eater, learned recently that Celiac disease (intolerance for wheat) was a factor. Ingestion causes vomiting and a few other symptoms detrimental to survival.
@michaelpewtherer On that note I was wondering why no one stopped to take into account any medical/allergy issues. I would think before any long term stays in inhospitable circumstances, you would want to know about things like Diabetes, blood pressure issues/heart troubles, seizures? This would help you to ration limited supplies to those that might need it most.
@TheCWR2010 The short answer: 2 cans of grub, 6 guys, by the time anyone was hungry enough to rip into a non renewable resource 4 guys were gone leaving 1 can per guy. There is no doubt that the issues you bring up (Diabetes, blood pressure issues/heart troubles, seizures) are important and in many ways it is unfair and even dangerous to withhold such information from your adventure companions as they will likely risk themselves to bail you out if needed. Give all a heads up prior!
I have enjoyed all of you video's, I would like to come and do one of your survival classes, I am 46 and have been a boyscout for 34 years, I try to teach a lot of the things you teach, keep up the fine work. Brian
Very realistic, been hunting with friends and acquaintances and let me tell you, guys ego get in the way so damn fast it's ridiculous. Thanks Dave I look forward to the next ones.
I really liked this video and the effort the volunteers made. While it fully reinforces the need to scout an area for a better camp, there are plenty of places in the USA that the surrounding wilderness would all be similar to the wooded area in which the survival camp was made - so it was much more realistic to places I've been stuck in before. Thanks to all the six volunteers, and to Dave for setting this up to play out.
@777umasuke There was a shotgun shell left from the abandoned deer camp; these guys were not the deer hunters. But I think this played out just like a real situation might in that some individuals from a dis-similar group may very well decide to try to hike out of a situation on their own, and in doing so may take what they feel is their fair share of the resources with them (i.e. the shell). The survival of the self is sometimes more predominant than the survival of the group.
Hey Dave - was wondering if you might post a video of the planning meetings you have for these scenarios. Obviously not for upcoming events (don't want to give away the show), but as a making-of video so we can see some of your "office" time (grin). Just a thought.
@Kayakwinds mentioned about the one guy having Fatwood and we wondered if that was "allowed".
Can tell a lot of these volunteers were taking a great learning experience in the first third of the video. Some with solid techniques and concepts, and a few that need to polish up to become more effective.
Noticed lots of little things as well that would have made the problems a little worse, but hopefully this video will allow them to look back and learn by seeing their mistakes when they're dry and warm!
One of the fellows had "fat wood." That was kind of curious. You would think that if he had fat wood he might also have thought to have a lighter in his pocket. Just a thought. Or was he not supposed to have either fat wood or a lighter? Maybe that violated the rules of the experiment.
Very interesting. The two guys who remained did a fine job. Incidentally, ponchos are great for the sort of nasty weather the fellows had to deal with. A couple of the fellows had decent ponchos. And just sitting down on a log while wearing the poncho would have sufficed for one night. And there appeared to be sufficient cordage to have tied together a decent tarp shelter if a more elaborate shelter was desired. But that is all hindsight. Certainly, the fire made all the difference.
You need some little wireless cameras you can put up that allow you to capture other angles of what is going on for b roll. Find a used Securety system, and set it up around the area using little homemade camera supports. I personally use $.99 HD spring clamps and a 1/4-20 stud through the handle. Can power those little cameras for at least a day on a cheap 12v lead acid battery $20 at interstate batt.
Dave I loved the video. I think the survival network idea is great because not only do the participants learn from their mistakes, we do as well!! Whenever you have time I would like to hear what you thought of the yurt good points, bad points, ect. Thanks for all you do and all the time you devote to your fans!!!
Oh and if I was a betting man I would put money that not one of these guys smoke, cause had they been like me fire fire fire not just for warmth but I want my smoke lol
The very best one yet, guys! Realistic? Yup. Most people who are lost in an overnight situation will DIE within the first 24 hours of being "lost". The reason? Exposure ie: Hypothermia. Great series Guys! ( and gals) can't wait for more.
I want to come play in the cold and wet, unfortunately the fact that I live in New Zealand makes distance an issue. After watching this I think im going to go camping next weekend and see how many different ways I can start a fire
I really enjoyed this raw survival scenario. It shows how your thinking changes when you're thrown out their at the mercy of mother nature. That was a hell of a ruff first night that could have been so much more comfortable had the guys been thinking more clearly. Thanks!
u could have taken that blue poncho. hung in a few tree. to space it out. take the open for the head, tie it towards the ground. put the bucket under it. it would have got the most out of the rain. it's a idea
Assess your resources (man made and natural) thoroughly and carefully.
Remember that knowledge and experience are resources as well.
Create a team structure to maximize efficiency.
Prioritize efforts to attain key survival elements (shelter, fire, water, signal, food).
Great project, my hats off to everyone involved. Might be interesting to see new people attempt same challenge (after viewing video of first attempt?) or even same people have a redo sometime in the future.
many of my neighbor/buddies say that if they need a tent or water purifier.... that they'll buy it off Ebay...But I dont think Fed Express delivers in a hurricane, an earthquake, or a tornado.
I'm disabled and on limited income so can only prepare so much...
But I keep a firearm, EDC blade, a leatherman multi-tool, clothes, trashbags (tarp/water repellant), and other. on me.
As an urban guy confined to a chair, but who has watched this channel from day 1 to learn multi-use etc stuff to save$... In this co-op situation,, I'da had afew go out for fire fuel as others set up the tarp against the rain.. and 1 or 2 out looking for water (as I set up containers to catch rainfall.
After have fire and rain shelter... can rotate who is in shelter and drying clothes, and who is out gathering resources, and maybe prepping larger sleep quarters. .
This is a big project you've taken on Dave and crew, and it was very well executed. These guys were brave to even try this so good on them too. I learned quite a bit from this including the value of taking the time to assess one's situation. I'm excited for future projects.
Really good video - it shows the importance of practicing skills before you need them. As well as the importance of teamwork in such a situation. Don't rush into things - stop and fully assess the situation and figure out what needs to be done.
I love all the videos man, and i take them all to heart. The audio is distracting sometimes. What i mean is the rain and other back ground audio overwhelms the participants voices. I know you cant wireless mike everyone but maybe a shotgun mic would help out a little. Keep on making them brother!!
@musFuzZ i believe the word you are looking for is: bitch, perhaps you ought to leave the discussion to the adults and keep your comments to the recess field
lol need to add this. do you really think all Dave has going on is the yurt? come on guys give the man a break. family,life,other things that need down. he will tell us when the yurt is done and over. i been watching for a while now and i know he would say something if things changed. relax go work on a skill or something.
and i wanted to say i knew from weeks ago you said about a plant in there. when i saw the bow drill i knew right away who it was. and if he wasnt one dude i would work with.
that was GREAT Dave thank you. it gos to show at home your da man. but push come to shove its not that easy. even me i have the gear and some skills but i break down in the middle of no where and have a few things with me the game will change. awesome Dave thanks
@wildernessoutfitters What resources did they not find that were on the ground? And why was this video posted to wildernessoutfitters and not SurvivalAdventureNet?
Individual skills are great, looks like these guys needed some team skills, I sat and watched the guy with the little blade try to split that log and the guy with the big a** parang stood there arms folded and watched. Very disorganized. But that is all a part of learning. Liked the way whomever was on camera made it a point to show the battery laying out in the rain.
15:22 man crouched down failing at splitting wood with his small fixed blade while another man watches with his machete on his side...yeah a learning experience...
Wow there is a lot of people standing around watching. Grab the bucket and fill it with fire wood and get your hands out the your pockets! Do something. Geez Louise...
No organization in the beginning doomed them. Too many guys standing around doing nothing and getting wet. Should have had designated men working on the fire from the moment they got there. Another group gathering wood and another shelter building.
9thchild 1 day ago
Dave can you let me know what kind of camcorder you are using because I see it has good lighting for night and it has a good mic. I am looking for something similar. Can you recommend anything?
Thanks,
Jonathan
constablekelly 1 day ago
Y didn't they move camp when the cave was located?
pitdog62 2 days ago
Is it illegal to bring a lighter? for peat sakes
tiberiousss 2 days ago
i would have appointed someone to lead then assesed what we had taken ideas then put them to practice to many people jumping straight in. then they split building two different shelters they should have worked as a team.
TheSHIFTYPOWERS76 1 week ago
I had a good idea who the secret survival instructor was, but I'm not sure I would have fared any better than these guys did. I don't have any decent cold weather clothing that would have been helpful in this situation. And I have never started a fire with either a bow drill or a broken flashlight before. But, watching these guys and seeing Dave point out their mistakes is helpful, so I think I'm a little better off after seeing this video than I was beforehand. Awesome video.
stammlager5 1 week ago
Is it the rain or is the camera man going beserk on the buttons?
TheJ0ne 2 weeks ago
these guys where no good i would have been looking far and wide for resources and perhaps a shelter they where like sheep standing around
SuperBRONSON21 2 weeks ago
they could be collecting water aswell with that torch handle
SuperBRONSON21 2 weeks ago
@SuperBRONSON21 we did. we also used it to store our food.
jsadler14537 2 weeks ago
i see alot of guys not doing alot of good they could be cllecting more things for shelter and fire to start
SuperBRONSON21 2 weeks ago
Dave, can you repost this on SAN channel. Forgot about it because the subscription didn't show it and some people might not think of looking here.
LiveFreeAndBushcraft 4 weeks ago
I think you're still missing the point... I'm not saying you're wrong about anything you've said, I'm only saying that after a cold and rough night for these two guys, without a fire or much in the way of food, they shouldn't have had their shaky hands so close together while "carving". They were hardly "carving", just getting shavings for the start of a fire. That wasn't the type of thing to practice in order to develop a skill, it was a sleepy mistake that could have led to an accident.
BravoAlphaLimaJR 1 month ago
Some REALLY dangerous knife handling from 42:37 - 42:45. The camo guy cutting above the hands of the other fella, who is cutting towards himself. Just BEGGING for a mishap...
BravoAlphaLimaJR 1 month ago
@BravoAlphaLimaJR I have been carving since I was first handed a knife at age five and never needed a stitch due to knife a injury. I have learned how to safely carve towards myself and while I don't recommend it for novices, I do teach these techniques to advanced wood-carvers. As with many tasks, there are levels of control gained with experience that to the beginner look dangerous, but in the hands of the skilled are quite safe and used often and effectively.
michaelpewtherer 1 month ago 15
@michaelpewtherer That's fine, but that's not the point. These are supposed to be 'students'. I can carve towards myself and not slash my thumb as well, but I wouldn't be doing that in any thing but a controlled environment. And directly underneath the shaky, novice hands of the camo guy, is not safe nor smart. It just takes one uncontrolled motion from the guy on top, to knock your hands and send that blade towards you.
BravoAlphaLimaJR 1 month ago
@michaelpewtherer Self Reliance includes self-preservation. And if you carry out actions that could injure yourself or compromise your physical abilities, then you're doing it wrong. There's NO room for errors with knives in a survival scenario. Second to your knowledge, your hands are vital to success. Take them out of the equation, and you're screwed!
These weren't wood carvers in a shop, they were in the bush and weren't in TOTAL control of their movements.
BravoAlphaLimaJR 1 month ago
@BravoAlphaLimaJR There are inherent risks in everything we do, you could sprain an ankle climbing up a hill or going down one, we could get creamed by a car while crossing the street or cut ourselves while carving and that is why survival skills are just that: skills. They take practice, converting what might be perceived as reckless into a skilled action. If I don't use my hands for fear of sustaining an injury than I might as well not have them. Practice leads to skill.
michaelpewtherer 1 month ago 16
I love the raspberries at the end Dave! Too funny!
renh99 1 month ago
Dave, there is one thing that I'd like to see on your channel, is because I'm a "Disabled-Adventurer" (no wheelchair, yet), but I'd like to see a few situations for people who have slight or before major disabilities, who still enjoy the outdoors, how we might effect self rescue dealing with those issues. If you need some input, please contact me!
Ghostologist 1 month ago 3
@Ghostologist I am starting to film soon, and my channel will focus on outdoor and survival skills and similar situations, but they will be from the point of view of the disabled, handicapped, or those otherwise unable to do things exactly the way as everyone else. We will focus on teaching survival and outdoor bushcraft skills that anyone regardless of physical condition can do. Being disabled myself, I have always had to find creative ways of looking at these situations.
Deriust 1 month ago 3
@Deriust I would really like to see your films my brother has a disability.
constablekelly 1 day ago
Dave, I think this a great reality tool to show people who would like to be "Survivalists" and who haven't been in the military, what "Real" survival is all about! I applaud you on this project and that you show the everyday, "Common-Man" that even though you think you're prepared, you never really are and have to adapt and overcome whatever situation that you're in. -Disabled Adventurer
Ghostologist 1 month ago
Great video, Could you or someone else explain how the flash light lens method works in detail? Thanks
dgoldman1982 1 month ago in playlist More videos from wildernessoutfitters
@dgoldman1982 Basicly the lens of the flash light reflects the heat from the sun onto the tinder. Imagine it like a funnel. All the light gets channeled into one spot which makes alot of heat which then ignites the tinder. Hope this helps you understand! Wulamallessin my friend!
CiaranRooney125 1 month ago 2
I was wandering why the cave wasnt utilized as shelter? seems to me would have been dry and already made. plus easier to get a fire going if you got some debris from the cave. Hell could have probably kept them all there on first night. maybe im wrong let me know.
backpacker692012 1 month ago
@backpacker692012 That was one of the mistakes made as Dave said. They didn't recon the area. They walked 100 or so yards and then just set up camp. Remember S.T.O.P Stop. Think. Orientate. Plan!
CiaranRooney125 1 month ago 7
Looking forward to it!
robcas631 1 month ago
Really cool video! Very cool!
robcas631 1 month ago
Ha.........I should stuck with my gut!
robcas631 1 month ago
They both did good! Great study Gents.
robcas631 1 month ago
That a tarp on the fire?
robcas631 1 month ago
Move the fire closer to the shelter?
robcas631 1 month ago
3 c's
robcas631 1 month ago
Highly educational. I which I could sent a phot of the shelter I made.
robcas631 1 month ago
The one in Cammo is an instructor no?
robcas631 1 month ago
@robcas631 He knows how to use a knife
robcas631 1 month ago
Fish oil is flammable no?
robcas631 1 month ago
I took a 6 x ten tarp and made a tent. It's still up and inside I could continue to make a fire. Which I could send a picture. Took me half and hour to set up.
robcas631 1 month ago
Pint regarding tasks. You planted 2 guys I think.
robcas631 1 month ago
@robcas631 Point*
robcas631 1 month ago
I knew it!
robcas631 1 month ago
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robcas631 1 month ago
One of these guys knows what to do.
robcas631 1 month ago
Get a thin wire for the battery. It may not light up fast but it will get freaking hot.
robcas631 1 month ago
How big is the tarp?
robcas631 1 month ago
'cuz one of them guys would have tasted like chicken' 34:48. Too funny.
TOW2012 1 month ago 3
So, no more dual survival?...
mrfrogg91 1 month ago
Is that good ol' Harvey "The Bucket"?
This is an awesome project, thank You Dave for making it.
tekknorat 1 month ago
i'd love to do this stuff...i'm regoing over alot of things becuz me & a few friends are leaving for the Appalachian Trail in mid-April....I'm tryin to talk them into taking your classes right before since you have class in april...its on our way to georgia & the beginning of the trail****
THREEFLOORSDOWN1 1 month ago
This is REAL! 60% Perished! 30% survived. Would the other guy survived if not paired with an Instructor - Hard to say. 1st night temp. shelter - good tarp on top and ratty tarp underneath as ground sheet tape all the holes with duct tape. build your fire under the lead edge of your good tarp so wood stays dry - cooking fire burns less fuel than a Bonfire. By sleeping next to each other you conserve body heat. Everyone was doing their own thing - No Leadership!
richardhummell2497 1 month ago
Super realistic with realistic (almost) dudes? nice one Dave
thank you for sharing this !
lmglange 1 month ago
Great project Dave it makes you think a lot about what you don't want to do also. Thank you and I'm looking forward to the next two.
USMC65UH34D 1 month ago
The moral? Do not hang around quit~ers.
grant9908 1 month ago
@grant9908 There you go. My 14 yr old son,myself, nephew and his 14 yr old step son went on a backpacking trip into national forest. My son got bent out of shape because he could not get up the embankment without spilling the water he was sent to get. My lesson to him. Stay cool and figure a way. Don't give up.
kyletango 1 month ago
We didn't find the shotgun shell right away. Almost 4 pm when we found it. Sunset at 545. It was tough. The video does show some standing around but it is not too accurate of everybody collecting wood and building their shelter. I was number three that left. I had never even thought of trying anything like this before. Upon retrospect we should have went to the caves. We would have been cold and dry, not cold and wet.
brtndr007 1 month ago
dam this is exactly the stuff i wanna watch
jjasperchan 1 month ago
ther=y should have saved some chicken and noodle for bait for traps
zane000000000 1 month ago
@zane000000000 there was some left in the flashlight along with wild onions
jsadler14537 1 month ago
i see lots of "supervising" going on. your not city workers boys get to work lol
johnnyboy922 1 month ago
Awesome! Love it!
FightSocialism 1 month ago
Great vid I finally had time to watch it. Lots of info to ponder on from this. Thanks for sharing this and thanks to all involved including the ones that quite. Like the one survivor said with your pack it's a walk in the park but with out it IT"S HELL. Good job guys.
rotag111 1 month ago
Great video. The major problem you will find with all of this stuff is that you will always find guys who don't take it seriously enough, and do not contribute much besides their "wisdom". (even if it is life threatening instead of monitored) It is one thing to think you can do it or that it is easy, quite another when it is your butt that is wet and freezing. If you are going to live this life, or even if it is just a hobby or a backup skill set, preparation and practice is essential.
Deriust 1 month ago 2
Finally they made that fire! Wow! The Turning point of the video. Dave, I think this is seriously one of the best things I've seen from you yet, well done sir! Props to everyone who let Dave use them as a guinea pig and extra respect to the two that made it. I don't care if one of you is a pro!
camoeron 1 month ago
could you elaborate on how they used the "fire powder" to start an ember with the flashlight / lense ? is it like char cloth?
pepple84 1 month ago
@pepple84 We took the dust that we made with the bowdrill and placed into the flashlight lens and reflected the sun into the dust. When it was centered in the correct spot the dust turned bright white and after a couple minutes it started smoking then gave us an ember. I was under the impression that it had to be summer time outside for that to happen but thankfully it works all year round :)
jsadler14537 1 month ago
Never mind. I found it. My page searching skills need work.
johar923 1 month ago
Great scenario. What was Mike's last name and where can I find his books/website?
johar923 1 month ago
my worst camping experience was in -20 . the dude played on his cellphone and only cut one wet huge birch tree .
he did not know how to light the fire or get dry wood. and burned 4 peice out of my 4 peice sleep system by trowing live folded spruce branches in the fire that sprung back coals in my sleep area . then he argues bushcraft is gay and my bed of spruce bows is for sisies ... so i let my gear burn not a word , i let him insult me and bushcraft . he now avoids me cuz i tould him he suck
alexgoyettemobile 1 month ago
Well actually though many mistakes were made those mistakes allow us to analyze the situation better than if we had just done everything correctly. I learned alot from this video about how people want to react. As usual thank you very much Dave for this information and keep up the good work
melonbro 1 month ago
Just shows how easy it is to give up! What if it wasn't on SAN giving up would mean the search party found your ass dead. Great video can't wait for the next scenario!!!
cvfd555 1 month ago
What did they not find in the deer camp area?
212schneider 1 month ago 7
great video!
andrewsheldonreeves 1 month ago
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bowshott007 1 month ago
Why couln't that one guy eat noddles?
TruthBeTold2K 1 month ago
i was hoping that they actually hunted... "DEER CAMP"
sxcelite12 1 month ago
lol @ the ending outtake :-)
mryellow123 1 month ago
lol the guy with the machete just watching the other guy try to baton the wood
TheSkater1233 1 month ago
@TheSkater1233 It's called 'Man vs Man survive!'
777umasuke 1 month ago
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First thing I noticed was, They didn't try to warm up that battery in their clothingor take it apart looking for a couple of the D batteries that were still good. Looking forward to see what happens in Feb.
TBOR101 1 month ago
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First thing I noticed was, They didn't try to warm up that battery in their clothingor take it apart looking for a couple of the D batteries that were still good. Looking forward to see what happens in Feb.
TBOR101 1 month ago
First thing I noticed was, They didn't try to warm up that battery in their clothingor take it apart looking for a couple of the D batteries that were still good. Looking forward to see what happens in Feb.
TBOR101 1 month ago
Good comments Dave and I think you and Mike both made very fair assessments.
Two things I had been thinking about were: 5 guys can each build a small shelter in a couple of hours, but a shelter big enough to hold them all, if properly sited, takes just a little longer.
Also, the advantages of staying dry as much as possible and sharing body heat in an enclosed area ( especially if they could not get a fire going) should have been considered.
This was worth watching.
Rivieratime 1 month ago
you do an excellent job conducting your courses
ecollins92 1 month ago
lol! we're gonna collect fire wood. then when get enough fire wood. were gonna collect some more fire wood.
sippio2030 1 month ago
Thanks Dave
wyattoneable 1 month ago
I keep thinking I woukd have tried mixing a few grains of powder from the shell with the coal dust from the bow drill and try to spark that with the battery. Then again I might have lost my eyebrows. I just find it hard to believe they wouldn't try to use the shell.
TheTim37 1 month ago
Thanks for the adventure! I learned a lot.
wyattoneable 1 month ago
Good show. Mike Putherer reminds me of my brother when he used to go on "survival missions" when we were kids. He would eat crickets, build trash-shelters (which we called forts), drink out of the creek, and do many other things y'all did. But we weren't allowed to build a fire. (We were just kids and only a few hundred yards from the house. lol) But survival skills are worth getting and developing. So again, good show.
Jesus is coming soon.
Richard
southeast Tennessee
richardelam100 1 month ago
Surprised they didn't relocate to that cave vs their debris shelter. It seemed to have fresh water and live snacks.
TyrtaeustheHoplite 1 month ago
Great project! Quick note on not eating noodles - not a picky eater, learned recently that Celiac disease (intolerance for wheat) was a factor. Ingestion causes vomiting and a few other symptoms detrimental to survival.
michaelpewtherer 1 month ago 13
@michaelpewtherer On that note I was wondering why no one stopped to take into account any medical/allergy issues. I would think before any long term stays in inhospitable circumstances, you would want to know about things like Diabetes, blood pressure issues/heart troubles, seizures? This would help you to ration limited supplies to those that might need it most.
TheCWR2010 1 month ago
@TheCWR2010 The short answer: 2 cans of grub, 6 guys, by the time anyone was hungry enough to rip into a non renewable resource 4 guys were gone leaving 1 can per guy. There is no doubt that the issues you bring up (Diabetes, blood pressure issues/heart troubles, seizures) are important and in many ways it is unfair and even dangerous to withhold such information from your adventure companions as they will likely risk themselves to bail you out if needed. Give all a heads up prior!
michaelpewtherer 1 month ago 2
Very educational! And really made me think differently about what I would do in those scenarios. Thanks for the time and effort put in this video!
cobra03x 1 month ago
1:02:42
AnomalyTea 1 month ago
Great video Dave!
What was the purpose of the two beers? Any significance in a survival situation?
TonyNap1 1 month ago
I have enjoyed all of you video's, I would like to come and do one of your survival classes, I am 46 and have been a boyscout for 34 years, I try to teach a lot of the things you teach, keep up the fine work. Brian
catap977 1 month ago
this is great stuff! I wish I was closer! I would love to volunteer!
wilemuse 1 month ago
Shame they don´t have this kinda training in Sweden......
Enjoyed every minute of your vid.
Keep up the good work Dave!
Horschen 1 month ago
Excellent video thanks for sharing.
deeds1957 1 month ago
warming up the battery with body heat would really help. a cold battery is a dead battery...
foodpricesrising 1 month ago
@foodpricesrising thats right.
zindi1138 1 month ago
Very realistic, been hunting with friends and acquaintances and let me tell you, guys ego get in the way so damn fast it's ridiculous. Thanks Dave I look forward to the next ones.
FatassPrepper 1 month ago
Excellent video Dave, love the scenarios.
shadowflight762 1 month ago
Dave, Why cant that one guy eat noodles? Is he allergic or something? That would suck.
xXHSharpXx 1 month ago
I really liked this video and the effort the volunteers made. While it fully reinforces the need to scout an area for a better camp, there are plenty of places in the USA that the surrounding wilderness would all be similar to the wooded area in which the survival camp was made - so it was much more realistic to places I've been stuck in before. Thanks to all the six volunteers, and to Dave for setting this up to play out.
Spearfisher1970 1 month ago
hey!dave, I got question.
This survival situation title is 'Deer Camp'
Why everyone do not have gun powder?
777umasuke 1 month ago
@777umasuke Did you watch it all? there was a shotgun shell that one of the quitters walked off with.
TheMNcamper 1 month ago
@TheMNcamper Why bring out that stuff?!
That is really important stuff.
I think this episode had break some rules because story line stuff bring out by quitters guys.
I wanna see more real situation event!
777umasuke 1 month ago
@777umasuke There was a shotgun shell left from the abandoned deer camp; these guys were not the deer hunters. But I think this played out just like a real situation might in that some individuals from a dis-similar group may very well decide to try to hike out of a situation on their own, and in doing so may take what they feel is their fair share of the resources with them (i.e. the shell). The survival of the self is sometimes more predominant than the survival of the group.
Spearfisher1970 1 month ago
@Spearfisher1970 I got make sense out this episode now!!
But,there hiker is not hunter them put different place on the shelter and sneaking out around are really dangerous thing.
Thanks information about this episode!
777umasuke 1 month ago
the caves would have been a perfect place to stay out of the rain and tarp for the wind break
iam4god2day 1 month ago
Hey Dave - was wondering if you might post a video of the planning meetings you have for these scenarios. Obviously not for upcoming events (don't want to give away the show), but as a making-of video so we can see some of your "office" time (grin). Just a thought.
@Kayakwinds mentioned about the one guy having Fatwood and we wondered if that was "allowed".
NateNorris 1 month ago
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I would not want to be lost with them big guys they would eat all the food
NobleOlive 1 month ago
i would not want to be lost with them big guys they would eat all the food
NobleOlive 1 month ago
Do you have any books written by you, Dave? (or anyone at the pathfinder school for that matter)
Sol3aris 1 month ago
@Sol3aris Survivability for the Common Man
TheMNcamper 1 month ago
Can tell a lot of these volunteers were taking a great learning experience in the first third of the video. Some with solid techniques and concepts, and a few that need to polish up to become more effective.
Noticed lots of little things as well that would have made the problems a little worse, but hopefully this video will allow them to look back and learn by seeing their mistakes when they're dry and warm!
Diasis 1 month ago
You forgot something. Clothing. Is wearing camoflauge or black clothes the best in a survival situtation
mathew1929 1 month ago
You sir, are a boss.
idk2say 1 month ago
One of the fellows had "fat wood." That was kind of curious. You would think that if he had fat wood he might also have thought to have a lighter in his pocket. Just a thought. Or was he not supposed to have either fat wood or a lighter? Maybe that violated the rules of the experiment.
Kayakwinds 1 month ago
@Kayakwinds He collected the fat wood in the woods bro
wildernessoutfitters 1 month ago 3
@wildernessoutfitters Mystery solved! Thanks!
Kayakwinds 1 month ago
@Kayakwinds maybe he got it from a pine tree or something, Im pretty sure Ohio has pines.
Danak0325 1 month ago
The guys who survived should have been allowed to use the "dead ones" as a food resource ;-)
glynslloyd 1 month ago
Very interesting. The two guys who remained did a fine job. Incidentally, ponchos are great for the sort of nasty weather the fellows had to deal with. A couple of the fellows had decent ponchos. And just sitting down on a log while wearing the poncho would have sufficed for one night. And there appeared to be sufficient cordage to have tied together a decent tarp shelter if a more elaborate shelter was desired. But that is all hindsight. Certainly, the fire made all the difference.
Kayakwinds 1 month ago
You need some little wireless cameras you can put up that allow you to capture other angles of what is going on for b roll. Find a used Securety system, and set it up around the area using little homemade camera supports. I personally use $.99 HD spring clamps and a 1/4-20 stud through the handle. Can power those little cameras for at least a day on a cheap 12v lead acid battery $20 at interstate batt.
wb5mgr 1 month ago
Noticed at 42:00 the one guy just had his knife laying on the ground... Lucky he did not misplace it.
wb5mgr 1 month ago
Dave I loved the video. I think the survival network idea is great because not only do the participants learn from their mistakes, we do as well!! Whenever you have time I would like to hear what you thought of the yurt good points, bad points, ect. Thanks for all you do and all the time you devote to your fans!!!
beeman715 1 month ago
Thank you for putting in the time , energy and effort to create these SAN videos.
Dperez812 1 month ago
An interesting video! Nicely done.
jmtkf04 1 month ago
1:02:42 in, sums it up. Hey Dave if your ever need a city slicker. Im located in Brooklyn NYC.
tiny11231 1 month ago
Oh and if I was a betting man I would put money that not one of these guys smoke, cause had they been like me fire fire fire not just for warmth but I want my smoke lol
TheWildboarbacon 1 month ago
*I was getting nervous around 42 min when one guy was cutting toward other lol
TheWildboarbacon 1 month ago
The very best one yet, guys! Realistic? Yup. Most people who are lost in an overnight situation will DIE within the first 24 hours of being "lost". The reason? Exposure ie: Hypothermia. Great series Guys! ( and gals) can't wait for more.
xlr8n99 1 month ago
those boys didnt get that fat from surviving off the land thats for sure.
WhiteFeather2383 1 month ago
Dave are girls allowed to volunteer?
karenchakey 1 month ago
@karenchakey yes
wildernessoutfitters 1 month ago
Very good lesson to never leave home without your firesteel or magnesium and a wetfire cube or mini inferno.
Hutzjohn 1 month ago
I want to come play in the cold and wet, unfortunately the fact that I live in New Zealand makes distance an issue. After watching this I think im going to go camping next weekend and see how many different ways I can start a fire
kliax 1 month ago
I really enjoyed this raw survival scenario. It shows how your thinking changes when you're thrown out their at the mercy of mother nature. That was a hell of a ruff first night that could have been so much more comfortable had the guys been thinking more clearly. Thanks!
darksideoffroad 1 month ago
I really liked this video. Bummer for the ones that died. Really like the ideas put forth by these videos.
Thanks Dave.
Mpanattoni03 1 month ago
u could have taken that blue poncho. hung in a few tree. to space it out. take the open for the head, tie it towards the ground. put the bucket under it. it would have got the most out of the rain. it's a idea
bill8176 1 month ago
Lessons learned:
Assess your resources (man made and natural) thoroughly and carefully.
Remember that knowledge and experience are resources as well.
Create a team structure to maximize efficiency.
Prioritize efforts to attain key survival elements (shelter, fire, water, signal, food).
Great project, my hats off to everyone involved. Might be interesting to see new people attempt same challenge (after viewing video of first attempt?) or even same people have a redo sometime in the future.
jokertim777 1 month ago
Dave, How do I volunteer to do one of these scenario's... These guys make me laugh... I would love to come out and do this for 3 days... ROCK ON!
usbrotherhood11b 1 month ago
Ray Mears video 2/4 in the Rocky Mtns on Youtube is an excellent follow-up regarding the challenges of hypothermia.
veemper 1 month ago
They should have at least named their bucket even if they weren't going to use it. =P
Ebonforge 1 month ago
Really cool seeing you at the Indy Gun and Knife show today!! Keep up the great work Dave!! God Bless!
irishfan84n 1 month ago
many of my neighbor/buddies say that if they need a tent or water purifier.... that they'll buy it off Ebay...But I dont think Fed Express delivers in a hurricane, an earthquake, or a tornado.
I'm disabled and on limited income so can only prepare so much...
But I keep a firearm, EDC blade, a leatherman multi-tool, clothes, trashbags (tarp/water repellant), and other. on me.
Hhound 1 month ago 7
As an urban guy confined to a chair, but who has watched this channel from day 1 to learn multi-use etc stuff to save$... In this co-op situation,, I'da had afew go out for fire fuel as others set up the tarp against the rain.. and 1 or 2 out looking for water (as I set up containers to catch rainfall.
After have fire and rain shelter... can rotate who is in shelter and drying clothes, and who is out gathering resources, and maybe prepping larger sleep quarters. .
Am I wrong in this thinking?
Hhound 1 month ago
"One of them guys woulda tasted like chicken".... lol
jimnmaine1 1 month ago
This is a big project you've taken on Dave and crew, and it was very well executed. These guys were brave to even try this so good on them too. I learned quite a bit from this including the value of taking the time to assess one's situation. I'm excited for future projects.
envirosponsible 1 month ago
u should make a new survival show just 4 youtube :)
extreamexgamer 1 month ago
Great effort Dave! But the audio makes it almost impossible to follow and watch for an hour.
ontheedge4life 1 month ago in playlist More videos from wildernessoutfitters
Really good video - it shows the importance of practicing skills before you need them. As well as the importance of teamwork in such a situation. Don't rush into things - stop and fully assess the situation and figure out what needs to be done.
galkinator 1 month ago
I love all the videos man, and i take them all to heart. The audio is distracting sometimes. What i mean is the rain and other back ground audio overwhelms the participants voices. I know you cant wireless mike everyone but maybe a shotgun mic would help out a little. Keep on making them brother!!
tiny11231 1 month ago
im 13 years old and i can do things better than theese no0bs!
musFuzZ 1 month ago
@musFuzZ "Armchair Quarterback"
bowshott007 1 month ago 7
@bowshott007 bich please you have no idea!
musFuzZ 1 month ago
@musFuzZ i believe the word you are looking for is: bitch, perhaps you ought to leave the discussion to the adults and keep your comments to the recess field
MrHorsemanriding 1 month ago
lol need to add this. do you really think all Dave has going on is the yurt? come on guys give the man a break. family,life,other things that need down. he will tell us when the yurt is done and over. i been watching for a while now and i know he would say something if things changed. relax go work on a skill or something.
monte19961 1 month ago
and i wanted to say i knew from weeks ago you said about a plant in there. when i saw the bow drill i knew right away who it was. and if he wasnt one dude i would work with.
monte19961 1 month ago
that was GREAT Dave thank you. it gos to show at home your da man. but push come to shove its not that easy. even me i have the gear and some skills but i break down in the middle of no where and have a few things with me the game will change. awesome Dave thanks
monte19961 1 month ago
hahahaha dude lost hiz knife... Never lose your knife... Your knife can save your life...
sludgewarfare 1 month ago
Thanks a lot for taking the time to produce awesome videos like this, Dave.
We really do appreciate what you're doing for us.
fl260 1 month ago
I can hardly beleave some shmuck hogged the nuts, crossed arms come to mind?
anotherluckydad 1 month ago
@wildernessoutfitters What resources did they not find that were on the ground? And why was this video posted to wildernessoutfitters and not SurvivalAdventureNet?
revisualize 1 month ago
Individual skills are great, looks like these guys needed some team skills, I sat and watched the guy with the little blade try to split that log and the guy with the big a** parang stood there arms folded and watched. Very disorganized. But that is all a part of learning. Liked the way whomever was on camera made it a point to show the battery laying out in the rain.
BustinBenny 1 month ago
15:22 man crouched down failing at splitting wood with his small fixed blade while another man watches with his machete on his side...yeah a learning experience...
cutlerylover 1 month ago
Wow there is a lot of people standing around watching. Grab the bucket and fill it with fire wood and get your hands out the your pockets! Do something. Geez Louise...
Seeker1041 1 month ago