I can't believe this imbecile got away with it again. Johann gives him a direct quote from the website of their organisation, an unambiguously anti-Jewish statement, and his only response is to say that the Holocaust didn't happen in the Muslim world? He can't stand up for the written message of his own organisation, and can't disown it either. HOW PATHETIC
Tony Blair deserves all such criticism from both speakers. JH makes it clear that Blair is a hypocrite who does not support the values he espouses. While JH is an obnoxious serial interrupter, one thing that's clear from his writing and speech is his concern for the well-being of others from different cultures, incl Gazans, Afghanis, Iraqis, etc. He does not take a stance of defending everything British, only those British values at the high end of humanitarian concern and real human freedom.
Sorry, non-muslims are always treated as second class citizens in islamic countries. That is a fact and pretending otherwise is a travesty and dishonest!
Same could be said of Muslims and Jews living under Christian rule in Spain. The Spanish Inquisition helped usher in an era of "freedom" and such new means of torture as waterboarding, which helped people to arrrive at their beliefs by force. Amazingly we are now teaching people about "democracy" and "democracy" using the same means.
@Omer698 Yes. What's your point? If I protest that Qatar treats certain people badly, it makes no difference that the United States treat people badly. The point still stands. If you murder someone, it makes no difference if I have also murdered someone - you're still a murderer. Also, it is more moral to mistreat illegal immigrants than to mistreat homosexuals because illegal immigrants have chosen to break the law, while being gay is biological and not chosen.
@Omer698 Yes, true, and early to bed, early to rise makes a man healthy wealthy and wise. Let's put aside old proverbs and focus on the point: It is true that non-Muslims are treated as second-class citizens in countries - to the extent that they are ruled by Islamic fundamentalists. Two wrongs don't make a right: America's faults do not excuse the barbarities of Islam.
@Vincentaneous either you're completely blind or completely moronic given the fact you bizarrely ignored what I wrote. Let's not "focus" on your superficial conclusions and instead address your own hypocrisies first before you start assessing who is or isn't a second class citizen in whomever's country/religion.
Not quite true, though a good generalisation. But, for example, in the gulf states, rich foreign investors and professionals are treated far better than most locals in law courts, business and civil society. In Iran, working class locals who drink alcohol are whipped, foreigners are deported or ignored, local Armenian Christians are allowed for Eucharist, and the rich don't get checked. It's a little more complicated than you posit.
I can't believe this imbecile got away with it again. Johann gives him a direct quote from the website of their organisation, an unambiguously anti-Jewish statement, and his only response is to say that the Holocaust didn't happen in the Muslim world? He can't stand up for the written message of his own organisation, and can't disown it either. HOW PATHETIC
flaneurdilettante 1 year ago
no! he linked nazism and holocaust to western values be it outdated it was western values which anhilated jews in europe not islamic shariah!
sportygal1991 1 year ago
@sportygal1991 In what way did 'Western values' annihilate Jews in Europe? What are 'Western' values, for that matter? Enumerate them please.
flaneurdilettante 1 year ago
Well the day islamic 'values' of Hizb Ut Tahrir are introduced into my country is the day I reach for my gun and grenades.
cleverfeller 1 year ago
Sajjad Khan speaking is just one contradiction after the other, kind of like the Qur'an.
Experiment47 1 year ago 2
Tony Blair deserves all such criticism from both speakers. JH makes it clear that Blair is a hypocrite who does not support the values he espouses. While JH is an obnoxious serial interrupter, one thing that's clear from his writing and speech is his concern for the well-being of others from different cultures, incl Gazans, Afghanis, Iraqis, etc. He does not take a stance of defending everything British, only those British values at the high end of humanitarian concern and real human freedom.
dilbertgeg 2 years ago 3
good point about the opium in afghanistan
latrottola 2 years ago
Did he seriously just give Nazism and the Holocaust as an example of secular liberalism?
viwer07 2 years ago 14
no he said they are western values if u re-listen to it. It was western values which led to the anhilation of many jews....
sportygal1991 1 year ago
Sorry, non-muslims are always treated as second class citizens in islamic countries. That is a fact and pretending otherwise is a travesty and dishonest!
PunkCheerleaderBetch 2 years ago 14
Same could be said of Muslims and Jews living under Christian rule in Spain. The Spanish Inquisition helped usher in an era of "freedom" and such new means of torture as waterboarding, which helped people to arrrive at their beliefs by force. Amazingly we are now teaching people about "democracy" and "democracy" using the same means.
apocalypse76 2 years ago
I never claimed otherwise actually. I have a problem with all organized religion and not just islam and I do not condone torture...
PunkCheerleaderBetch 2 years ago 6
@PunkCheerleaderBetch Aren't illegal immigrants, those without citizenship also treated as second class citizens in your country?
Omer698 1 year ago
@Omer698 Yes. What's your point? If I protest that Qatar treats certain people badly, it makes no difference that the United States treat people badly. The point still stands. If you murder someone, it makes no difference if I have also murdered someone - you're still a murderer. Also, it is more moral to mistreat illegal immigrants than to mistreat homosexuals because illegal immigrants have chosen to break the law, while being gay is biological and not chosen.
Vincentaneous 7 months ago
@Vincentaneous my point is that those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw rocks.
Omer698 7 months ago
@Omer698 Yes, true, and early to bed, early to rise makes a man healthy wealthy and wise. Let's put aside old proverbs and focus on the point: It is true that non-Muslims are treated as second-class citizens in countries - to the extent that they are ruled by Islamic fundamentalists. Two wrongs don't make a right: America's faults do not excuse the barbarities of Islam.
Vincentaneous 7 months ago
@Vincentaneous either you're completely blind or completely moronic given the fact you bizarrely ignored what I wrote. Let's not "focus" on your superficial conclusions and instead address your own hypocrisies first before you start assessing who is or isn't a second class citizen in whomever's country/religion.
Omer698 7 months ago
@PunkCheerleaderBetch
Not quite true, though a good generalisation. But, for example, in the gulf states, rich foreign investors and professionals are treated far better than most locals in law courts, business and civil society. In Iran, working class locals who drink alcohol are whipped, foreigners are deported or ignored, local Armenian Christians are allowed for Eucharist, and the rich don't get checked. It's a little more complicated than you posit.
wid85 1 year ago
@PunkCheerleaderBetch why shudn't they, its called 'culture'
chrish12345 1 year ago