While I can respect Gould as a performer, I cannot respect him as a musicologist at all. He claimed he disliked the later works of Mozart because they were filled with nothing more than "theatrics." If a five-voice fugue using developed themes as counterpoints is nothing more then theatrics then there is no substance achievable in music. His opinions are so erroneous and based on such untrue statements that I consider him nothing more than a set of incredibly talented hands.
@citzie p.s. As a little variation on Gould's comment about Bach's Chromatic Fantasy, this is Mozart not only for people who like Mozart but for those who don't as well :)
You people seem to love what every common pianist could do with this piece "I'd play this slower".. Sure, and 920383 pianists would do that too. You should keep your mouth shut when you hear something extraordinary like Gould's version of this piece, not criticize it.
@DerekWilliamsMusic Glenn Gould was notorious for not playing pieces his musical-directors and producers wanted to, especially after he quit performing. He would not have learned and recorded ALL of the Mozart Sonata's unless he wanted to,
Think before you say something so insulting to both Mozart and Gould.
@Jragir My comment does not in any way seek personally to insult Gould, but if I really wanted to insult Mozart, then I would play it as he does in this recording. Gould has an utterly dazzling technical facility but puts his foot to the floor with minimal light and shade. It's more of a showy display to my ears.
My idea of an excellent interpretation of this piece is by Daniel Barenboim -APW0zuyRec and there's a pretty decent amateur upload at B5axvD2g390. Each to their own taste I guess.
@DerekWilliamsMusic Glenn Gould was notorious for not playing pieces his musical-directors and producers wanted him to, especially after he quit performing. He would not have learned and recorded ALL of the Mozart Sonata's unless he wanted to,
Think before you say something so insulting to both Mozart and Gould.
@DerekWilliamsMusic LOL @ before MIDI there was Glenn Gould. His distaste in Mozart was correct however, as this piece (and most of Mozart) played at original tempo is dreadfully boring, you have to do something to make it listen-able and/or fun to play.
@Gibson29 I certainly would not defend every piano sonata of Mozart as unmitigated masterwork, many written in haste for students, but some, including this one, and especially his later works I believe have more than enough substance to justify a respectful, and emotionally contoured performance. Knocking it off at 100 miles per hour with little in the way of light and shade borders on contempt to my way of thinking. Of course, all Mozart's works are 'early' works due to his premature death.
@DerekWilliamsMusic I don't mean to disregard his genius. I enjoy this work more so than many. Gould doesn't completely disregard contrast in this piece however. For example the theme we hear from 1:01 - 1:09 reoccurs a few times, usually played with a long Crescendo, finishing in strong fortissimo triads having been built up to. Gould does the opposite with it which ends up working out nicely, each time finishing off the section with a long decrescendo taming his wild playing with pp triads
@DerekWilliamsMusic btw this is definitely not how I would interpret this movement, but I do enjoy what Glenn did with it. Certain parts COULD have been savored a bit more and still fit into his tempo I think.
Glenn Gould- the best pianist of the 20th century! A superb soloist. The man wasn't simply a slave to the piece of music he was playing. He was much too brilliant for that. He was a composer at heart! He thought exactly like a composer and it showed in everything he played. He was unlike all other of the boring pianists of his day in the sense that he had the power to not only play the music but also could interpret it. He was a creative genius. And his technique was oh so flawless. Brilliant!
When you were a little kid, all the things in the world must had amused you. But as you grew up, you started to associate them with something you had known, and lost a fresh piece of mind. I think that's what happend to those of you who call this cartoon, horse race or drug..oh, such commercially brainwashed, poor sensibilities!
Your mind has to be as fresh as Mozart's to see this beauty.
I'm 100 percent certain that he would have been thrilled.
I have a strong opinion because I love this version.
I do think great music has its own God within, independent of composer's intention at the time. And sometimes you don't realize it, untill you listen to something like this.
I understand why people love Uchida or Horowitz, but I understand this too!! Isn't that much more happier for a music lover?
Some classic fans surely have stuborn firewalls in their brain to block out some of the best stuff out here.
I find it hilarious how some people here feel they have the right to judge this great master this harshly. People simply all so stuck-up on how to play Mozart as so many pianists play the "standard" interpretation. Gould was simply way, way beyond these norms of playing, whether you like it or not.
@Y3n26 Well this piece is usually played at a slower pace. But Glenn Gould is a pianist that has a habit of playing piano at a really fast rate. So to answer you question.. No, no fast forward button was used to make it sound fast. Yes, Glenn Gould is actually playing this piece as fast as it sounds.
When Glenn Gould was older, he said that in his youth he played too fast...I would have to agree, although his technical skill is outstanding as usual. And the fact that he's gorgeous doesn't hurt.
I said he was a genius but there are times when he's overplaying a piece and seems to want to get off the stage as quickly as possible....I still think he's a genius.....I would like to hear his version of Chopin's Minute Waltz.....
I said he was a genius but there are times when he's overplaying a piece and seems to want to get off the stage as quickly as possible....I still think he's a genius.....
You say we are both Mozart and Glenn Gould fans, yet you don't want me to listen to this, is that what you mean?
You simply cannot change how poeple feel about their favorite music (if that was what you were tying to do). But if they hate something, there might be a room for a change for good.
If I'm happy, I want to stay happy in my own way.
Your favorites are not necessarily my favorites either, but I don't want to change any of your love.
These so-called psychiatrists that are going around putting the "Aspergers" label on every eccentric genius in history, are full of shit, and giving modern psychology a bad name.
The only "condition" that Glenn Gould had, imho, was an extraordinary vision of what music should sound like.
@thequantumcollapse I'm Asperger and I want to be a genius because I can't be something other. So please name everything genius asperge, so that I can feel genius.
I don't know why everybody is hating on this version. It's faster than most versions we're used to hearing, but it's brilliant and fun, which I do believe is the spirit of Mozart's "Allegro" movements. (And Gould does manage a surprising amount of nuance.) I'm very thankful that Gould recorded these sonatas and reminded us of how much fun one can have with Mozart.
For those new to Mozart, listen to Mitsuko Uchida play this, it is more how it should be played. Uchida does change a few dynamics and phrasings. I believe however that Mozart would have approved of this because it is played on piano, not fortepiano, therefore more expression and different considerations. He would probably laugh at Gould's youthful exuberance, proving his breakneck speed while simultaneously losing a lot of articulation and accuracy(bar 16 L.H. for example).
@ronbobathon He tried to make Mozart's music more interesting by speeding it up. I do not hear any loss of articulation and accuracy. I agree that Gould does not do any justice to Mozart's music, but when Gould likes the piece there is no one that is even close.
I do not find this performance offensive or objectionable. Many argue that the tempo is so fast that much of it´s marvelous lyricism is obliterated. That´s not what I hear. What others call an outpouring of stress hormones I call an original unorthodox musical interpretation. Shall we say an unorthodox performance.
GG was an outstanding eccentric musical genius with a miraculous, impeccable technique.
And he made it a habit to satirize psychiatry. I can relate.
You know what they are saying.....Ludwig Wittgenstein and Bela Bartok may also have been afflicted with Aspergers condition, which is fine, but I´m aware of psychiatries predicament: There are so many philosophical insights and connections incomprehensible to psychiatry, things that can´t be captured in language. Can the aesthetic be captured in language ? Maybe in simple positive statements like "Great, Faaaaaantastic ( me ) and so one. I´ll try a little Aesthetic approbation of GGould.
I played this piece as younger. Ever since i heard it in this enterpretation i've never turned back to play it in the slow tempo. It feels so right to play it in this speed. GG's interpetration feels so modern, current and versatile. I don't knwo tf the one can call it timeless. It just feels like the piece should be played like this after one have tried this.
There is something to be said for playing at ridiculous tempos. Although obviously you should be able to perform a "proper" rendition of a piece, some of the best practice on the piano for me comes from playing familiar pieces as fast as possible. I love doing this with Bach's two and three part inventions, fantastic practice.
While recalling a piece I haven't played in a while, I seem to be able to remember it much more fluidly when playing at a faster tempo, oddly enough.
@Gibson29 The reason why you remember parts of the piece faster or have this "familiar" feeling for the piece after your first tries, is because things like muscle memory and pattern in the music. By playing it faster makes you rely more on the muscle memory.
It has never been established with certainty that Glenn Gould suffered from Aspergers, it´s presumed by some self-indulgent psychiatrist who masturbated in public.
It has however been established that the greatest pianists humm. ( Isobaric )
@Isospinsymmetries listen to his music and how much emotional depth there is? listen to his chopin and more romantic renditions of beethoven and mozart. There is certain a blunted emotional affect; technically it's brilliant though.
I would write off the aspergers hypothesis. having aspergers wouldn't limit his musical ability or math ability just make him more likely to be brilliant in bach than rachmaninov or chopin
I really dont like it, if anything was ever "emotionless" it's this. However it doesn't matter because I know he could play this piece any way he wanted. But this is almost robotic.
It's in no way too fast. That's how they played back then. Our modern slow tempi would sound just awful on those old pianos. Anyone who thinks this is too fast should go and read some 18th century literature.
Still, while his tempo is quite appropriate, Gould displays his blatant disregard for historical phrasing, for which he is notorious.
@Timrath Its waaauy too fast bro---The piano Mozart had when he wrote this(1778)was still basically a Harpsichord,and used a plucking action.Mozart couldnt have played this that fast. And Mozart wouldnt have played as mechanically either.
@mrbrianmccarthy I agree with your last sentence. I think the tempo wouldn't seem "too fast" for many, if it were played with more expression. Mozart was a big fan of agogic, something which is painfully absent from Gould's interpretations.
@colourfulwithaU Gould didnt like Mozart,and butchered every piece of Mozart he touched.He should've never played it if he didnt like it.This interpretation is dreadful start to finish.
@colourfulwithaU He did play Bach well,but little else.He was a vastly over rated pianst in my opinion. Check out Valentina Lisitana if you want to see a really great pianist. And of course of the the older guys Richter and Horowitz both eat Gould for breakfast.
@Timrath Glen does have his fans theres no doubt---And he did play Bach well,with the exception of one thing---his constant mumbling and humming while he played.Sorry,I think the guy was a neurotic ass.
@mrbrianmccarthy These guys play the same pieces again and again..Although I do like Richter and Horowitz..Gould introduced new interpretations of composers..And, for the love of God, not good at Bach..The best...(Plus, I don't really like Lisitsa..)
Not how I would play the piece myself (besides, it is futile to try to imitate Gould) but there is something oddly refreshing and entertaining about it, perhaps even just the novelty of it. Notwithstanding interpretation, like him or not, that guy could sure move his fingers like none other. I look forward to seeing the new movie about him that is being released soon.
Fast? Yes. Too fast? Good luck proving that. If anything its nice to know how Bach might have played this sonata. Gould really brings out the bass part.
Its true that with this I can hear various shapes and forms that were not previously so obvious but there is very little beauty left. It is breathtaking but as though Gould took to it with a high octane flame thrower and left just the charred remains. The Lipatti version is very beautiful and equally technically brilliant.
@inazuma3gou Gould was nocturnal. He ate nothing for most of his working day (night), drank lots of coffee and tea, and ate a big breakfast of scrambled eggs before going to bed at dawn. Gould had a heightened sense of hearing but almost no sense of taste.
Completely unique. Just beautiful. This is a very unconventional interpretation, but this "idiot" as some prefer to label him, had an immensely high IQ and regardless of how he may or may not have breeched Mozart's intentions, he nonetheless displayed a rationality of thinking and imagination to a degree that very few musicians seem to posses.
Completely unique. Just beautiful. This is a very unconventional interpretation, but this "idiot" had an immensely high IQ and regardless of how he may or may not have breeched Mozart's intentions, he nonetheless displayed a rationality of thinking and imagination to a degree that very few musicians seem to posses.
I am literally shocked by this recording. It's not necessarily in a good or bad way, but it is very eye-opening, however strange it sounds to me. It just goes to show that you should never be single minded when you interpret a piece, even if what your thinking feels a bit or even hopelessly ridiculous to you.
Precise, percussive, passionate, a bit dry in places but nobody played as good as Gould. If anyone can suggest a recital of a better quality then I would be glad. I do no think that's possible though.
Glenn Gould doesn't even feel the emotion in the music. He just trys to play everything as fast as he can. He is not suited for Mozart, Mozart has emtion it's not just speed and extrereme difficulty. Sorry Gould, but you need more emotion and slow down for God's sake!!!!!!
Too hectic and phrasing in Gould's playing has been an issue even when he was alive. I agree with critics who indicate that he sacrifices phrasing for the sake of dexterity. This is a great example of Gould's virtuosity muffling Mozart's beautiful melody in this sonata.
mm..... gould... i love his bach.. but on this piece, i prefer richter. i think some of the music is lost by going this fast. i mean, its played brilliantly, but it just seems.... i dunno. you lose something about this piece when you play this ridiculously fast. reminds me of argerich and her tendency to take something and speed it up more than anyone else while performing it correctly and brilliantly.
Mozart, Gould, who gives a shit? your dumb ass twelve year old youtube trolling parades don't mean anything to either of these men, obviously. Dont like the recording? Big fucking deal, go listen to some Polka.
Great performance, but it does sound like a MIDI :/
No, I think you're a retard. I think this preformance is great although to fast. This is the only preformance that has a real spirit of this sonata that most other pianist miss. Gould was just trying to make a new view about this piece, completely different than romantic version you can hear on youtube. I don't think one interpretation is good and another is bad, because i think the right way of playing this sonata is combining this two contrasts.
@TheOneWingAngeI Terrrible. Dreadful! Absolutely no dynamics,no passion.Gould hated Mozart,and its shows in his recordings. He's the worst interpreter of Mozart ever.
Well, I'm busy learning this Sonata, and to help me form an interpretation, I have compared some interpretations. I have listened to a lot of interpretations, and Gould's is very special. He pays attention to things other pianists doesn't do. The development starts with the main theme in C Major. After a transition, another theme is introduced. This theme has 5 voices, and Glenn Gould pays attention to all five, more than other pianists, I think. This also forms a better harmony.
Also, in the development he doesn't listen to Mozart, and instead he plays in 'this second theme' a overall crescendo. It is 'wrong', but it does say something about the structue of this particular work. The theme starts fortissimo in C Major. Then it modulates to E Major, and becomes pianissimo. After that it goes to A minor, and that one is the climax of the development. By doing it differently, Gould does express this.
Also, Gould's speed make the development dramaticly.
In this movement he plays every line, expressing the polyphony. I think this movement almost got a Bach-like polyphony at some places, but often the clearness is present.
Nevertheless, everyone should have his/her own opinion about Gould's playing. Gould want to make statements, which were never made. Some people like that, some don't . Some people think Gould is a genius, others don't. Still, Gould was an exceptional figure in piano history by his philosphy, and we should all think about it.
2. Gould was and is well-received all over the world, not just in America. So stop generalizing about Americans and people of any culture in general you ignorant German homunculus. Only, a German could be such an inerudite asshole such as yourself. How's THAT for generalizing!
and lemme tell u uneducated twats that i talked about amricans not about us americans , for me america is a continent not a country (mb you didnt ,learn that in school^)
only western europa which are us sattelite states dont ahte you
While I can respect Gould as a performer, I cannot respect him as a musicologist at all. He claimed he disliked the later works of Mozart because they were filled with nothing more than "theatrics." If a five-voice fugue using developed themes as counterpoints is nothing more then theatrics then there is no substance achievable in music. His opinions are so erroneous and based on such untrue statements that I consider him nothing more than a set of incredibly talented hands.
Johannes999999999 2 days ago
"The tragedy isn't that Mozart died so young, but that he lived so long." -Glenn Gould
khronos365 1 month ago
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runter .... Aber sonst ist alles klar.
KRISTALLKLAR !!!!
Wenn Glenn Gould spielt, dann spielt GOTT.
Und die anderen Leute schweigen. Amen.
Much more interesting than the trivial performances. Brilliant.
Isospinsymmetries 1 month ago
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3gatsunolion 1 month ago
Obviously Gould suffered from a very serious disability. It's called GENIUS.
citzie 2 months ago
@citzie p.s. As a little variation on Gould's comment about Bach's Chromatic Fantasy, this is Mozart not only for people who like Mozart but for those who don't as well :)
citzie 2 months ago
Clean, robotic and cartoonish. Feels like a Tom & Jerry Cartoon
donpengin 2 months ago
You people seem to love what every common pianist could do with this piece "I'd play this slower".. Sure, and 920383 pianists would do that too. You should keep your mouth shut when you hear something extraordinary like Gould's version of this piece, not criticize it.
Fryderykchop 2 months ago 2
Mozart???o__0I do like his Bach...but is this Mozart?~It's unique....but...
renesussmayr 2 months ago
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marcofoghi 2 months ago
This is the version you listen to when you don't have too much time on your hands but you still want to hear the whole movement. :)
MaestroTJS 2 months ago 3
@MaestroTJS LOL.
citzie 2 months ago
If Mozart watched Gould playing this sonata, he would dedicate his next sonata for Gould or written a piano concerto 'Gould' :)
dannyevans89 3 months ago 2
(puke) Gould :D:D:D - no comment
maestro543 3 months ago
gould is good god
roberto41267 3 months ago
noisy...loved it!!! and I'm sure he did too!
TheIndividualOne 4 months ago
Very frenetic. I would have played this piece slower. Glen Gould is a better Bach player.
appogiaturra 4 months ago
Very Gould!
HIghBlutdruck 11 months ago 2
@HIghBlutdruck very gould indeed!
bishopquack 3 months ago
I think this sounds better than the original.
Theonedue 11 months ago
hmm. interesting interpretation....
tinatinaballerina 11 months ago
Before MIDI, there was Glenn Gould. This performance proof of his distaste for Mozart. How quickly he wants to get rid of this piece!
DerekWilliamsMusic 1 year ago
@DerekWilliamsMusic Glenn Gould was notorious for not playing pieces his musical-directors and producers wanted to, especially after he quit performing. He would not have learned and recorded ALL of the Mozart Sonata's unless he wanted to,
Think before you say something so insulting to both Mozart and Gould.
Jragir 11 months ago
@Jragir My comment does not in any way seek personally to insult Gould, but if I really wanted to insult Mozart, then I would play it as he does in this recording. Gould has an utterly dazzling technical facility but puts his foot to the floor with minimal light and shade. It's more of a showy display to my ears.
My idea of an excellent interpretation of this piece is by Daniel Barenboim -APW0zuyRec and there's a pretty decent amateur upload at B5axvD2g390. Each to their own taste I guess.
DerekWilliamsMusic 11 months ago
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@DerekWilliamsMusic Glenn Gould was notorious for not playing pieces his musical-directors and producers wanted him to, especially after he quit performing. He would not have learned and recorded ALL of the Mozart Sonata's unless he wanted to,
Think before you say something so insulting to both Mozart and Gould.
Jragir 11 months ago
@DerekWilliamsMusic LOL @ before MIDI there was Glenn Gould. His distaste in Mozart was correct however, as this piece (and most of Mozart) played at original tempo is dreadfully boring, you have to do something to make it listen-able and/or fun to play.
Gibson29 11 months ago
@Gibson29 I certainly would not defend every piano sonata of Mozart as unmitigated masterwork, many written in haste for students, but some, including this one, and especially his later works I believe have more than enough substance to justify a respectful, and emotionally contoured performance. Knocking it off at 100 miles per hour with little in the way of light and shade borders on contempt to my way of thinking. Of course, all Mozart's works are 'early' works due to his premature death.
DerekWilliamsMusic 11 months ago
@DerekWilliamsMusic I don't mean to disregard his genius. I enjoy this work more so than many. Gould doesn't completely disregard contrast in this piece however. For example the theme we hear from 1:01 - 1:09 reoccurs a few times, usually played with a long Crescendo, finishing in strong fortissimo triads having been built up to. Gould does the opposite with it which ends up working out nicely, each time finishing off the section with a long decrescendo taming his wild playing with pp triads
Gibson29 11 months ago
@DerekWilliamsMusic btw this is definitely not how I would interpret this movement, but I do enjoy what Glenn did with it. Certain parts COULD have been savored a bit more and still fit into his tempo I think.
Gibson29 11 months ago
Glenn devait être payé au nombre de notes produites à la minute.
C'est brouillon à peine audible!
JPgau78 1 year ago
Glenn Gould- the best pianist of the 20th century! A superb soloist. The man wasn't simply a slave to the piece of music he was playing. He was much too brilliant for that. He was a composer at heart! He thought exactly like a composer and it showed in everything he played. He was unlike all other of the boring pianists of his day in the sense that he had the power to not only play the music but also could interpret it. He was a creative genius. And his technique was oh so flawless. Brilliant!
burnindownthehouse 1 year ago 5
Lots of my friends often call me weired for i love to listen to this music, in my perception i see this music as the explanation of beauty.
MrRockerzone666 1 year ago 2
When you were a little kid, all the things in the world must had amused you. But as you grew up, you started to associate them with something you had known, and lost a fresh piece of mind. I think that's what happend to those of you who call this cartoon, horse race or drug..oh, such commercially brainwashed, poor sensibilities!
Your mind has to be as fresh as Mozart's to see this beauty.
I'm 100 percent certain that he would have been thrilled.
I wish he was stil alive to tell you all that.
ttwiligh7 1 year ago 2
@ttwiligh7 Exactly! Besides, Mozart composed this during the time of his mother's death, it's not supposed to be happy.
Sword1479 1 year ago
I love this piece, but it would could have been so much better if he didn't play it so goddamn fast.
thesalmon95 1 year ago
I have a strong opinion because I love this version.
I do think great music has its own God within, independent of composer's intention at the time. And sometimes you don't realize it, untill you listen to something like this.
I understand why people love Uchida or Horowitz, but I understand this too!! Isn't that much more happier for a music lover?
Some classic fans surely have stuborn firewalls in their brain to block out some of the best stuff out here.
ttwiligh7 1 year ago 3
I find it hilarious how some people here feel they have the right to judge this great master this harshly. People simply all so stuck-up on how to play Mozart as so many pianists play the "standard" interpretation. Gould was simply way, way beyond these norms of playing, whether you like it or not.
coaster1000 1 year ago 2
i hate Glenn Gould beacause he died... at such a young age 50???? don't make me laugh if, really if he really was alive then i would not blame him
osoyuri 1 year ago
i dont like this performence...it looks like he wants to play mozart like bach
L2thaV 1 year ago
Why on earth does he play this tune so fast???
gambooyt 1 year ago
@gambooyt Just te realize a possibility
jasoncrew 1 year ago
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@gambooyt Just to realize a possibility
jasoncrew 1 year ago
This performance disgusted me.
Amadeus9933 1 year ago
is it a fast forward version?
Y3n26 1 year ago
@Y3n26 Well this piece is usually played at a slower pace. But Glenn Gould is a pianist that has a habit of playing piano at a really fast rate. So to answer you question.. No, no fast forward button was used to make it sound fast. Yes, Glenn Gould is actually playing this piece as fast as it sounds.
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Amadeus9933 1 year ago
When Glenn Gould was older, he said that in his youth he played too fast...I would have to agree, although his technical skill is outstanding as usual. And the fact that he's gorgeous doesn't hurt.
LeRose525 1 year ago
sounds like hes got to pee
BAKEDPIANIST 1 year ago
I said he was a genius but there are times when he's overplaying a piece and seems to want to get off the stage as quickly as possible....I still think he's a genius.....I would like to hear his version of Chopin's Minute Waltz.....
MrSammyscroll 1 year ago
I said he was a genius but there are times when he's overplaying a piece and seems to want to get off the stage as quickly as possible....I still think he's a genius.....
MrSammyscroll 1 year ago
I believe this is one of the very ture forms of Mozart.
Bach is God of structure, but Mozart is also another kind of that, if you listen closely. And Glenn Gould seems to know that better thatn anybody.
Obviously, he sings his song through Mozart, and it's shouting out loud with passion, crying, and echoing deep down to soul.
It is simply beautiful!!!
Missed that because the tempo is too fast? Give me a break! I don't believe that.
I feel those of who dislike this version are rather biased.
ttwiligh7 1 year ago
@ttwiligh7 You most not listen to Mozart this performance is Horrible. Glen Gould is one of my favorite
Interpreters for Mozart , although I prefer Dinu Lipatti, Horowitz, Christopher Eschenbach, along with Ivo Pogorelich
Amadeus9933 1 year ago
@Amadeus9933
You say we are both Mozart and Glenn Gould fans, yet you don't want me to listen to this, is that what you mean?
You simply cannot change how poeple feel about their favorite music (if that was what you were tying to do). But if they hate something, there might be a room for a change for good.
If I'm happy, I want to stay happy in my own way.
Your favorites are not necessarily my favorites either, but I don't want to change any of your love.
ttwiligh7 1 year ago
@ttwiligh7 I do not praise or blame anyone, I simply follow what I believe.
Amadeus9933 1 year ago
These so-called psychiatrists that are going around putting the "Aspergers" label on every eccentric genius in history, are full of shit, and giving modern psychology a bad name.
The only "condition" that Glenn Gould had, imho, was an extraordinary vision of what music should sound like.
thequantumcollapse 1 year ago 11
@thequantumcollapse I'm Asperger and I want to be a genius because I can't be something other. So please name everything genius asperge, so that I can feel genius.
Nohshing 4 months ago
@thequantumcollapse i partly agree. but he did have anxiety and depression two terrible conditions
erikneoland 2 weeks ago
I don't know why everybody is hating on this version. It's faster than most versions we're used to hearing, but it's brilliant and fun, which I do believe is the spirit of Mozart's "Allegro" movements. (And Gould does manage a surprising amount of nuance.) I'm very thankful that Gould recorded these sonatas and reminded us of how much fun one can have with Mozart.
marcoklaue 1 year ago 2
For those new to Mozart, listen to Mitsuko Uchida play this, it is more how it should be played. Uchida does change a few dynamics and phrasings. I believe however that Mozart would have approved of this because it is played on piano, not fortepiano, therefore more expression and different considerations. He would probably laugh at Gould's youthful exuberance, proving his breakneck speed while simultaneously losing a lot of articulation and accuracy(bar 16 L.H. for example).
ronbobathon 1 year ago
@ronbobathon He tried to make Mozart's music more interesting by speeding it up. I do not hear any loss of articulation and accuracy. I agree that Gould does not do any justice to Mozart's music, but when Gould likes the piece there is no one that is even close.
KABRIS1 1 year ago
He must of snorted some cocaine before recording this...oh so fast....I am crying from the laughter. Regardless, he was a brilliant pianist.
VickyGirl1902 1 year ago
da fuck.... say what you want about Gould and Bach, but Gould and Mozart is really an awful match!
pureaKero 1 year ago
0:34 is so Awesome!
kimooozs 1 year ago
hilarious. I love Gould.
omnishubo 1 year ago
I do not find this performance offensive or objectionable. Many argue that the tempo is so fast that much of it´s marvelous lyricism is obliterated. That´s not what I hear. What others call an outpouring of stress hormones I call an original unorthodox musical interpretation. Shall we say an unorthodox performance.
GG was an outstanding eccentric musical genius with a miraculous, impeccable technique.
And he made it a habit to satirize psychiatry. I can relate.
Isospinsymmetries 1 year ago
You know what they are saying.....Ludwig Wittgenstein and Bela Bartok may also have been afflicted with Aspergers condition, which is fine, but I´m aware of psychiatries predicament: There are so many philosophical insights and connections incomprehensible to psychiatry, things that can´t be captured in language. Can the aesthetic be captured in language ? Maybe in simple positive statements like "Great, Faaaaaantastic ( me ) and so one. I´ll try a little Aesthetic approbation of GGould.
Isospinsymmetries 1 year ago
ahahahhahaahahahahaahhahaahahahahahahh
I can't stop laughing!!! ahahahahahahahah
newFranzFerencLiszt 1 year ago
I played this piece as younger. Ever since i heard it in this enterpretation i've never turned back to play it in the slow tempo. It feels so right to play it in this speed. GG's interpetration feels so modern, current and versatile. I don't knwo tf the one can call it timeless. It just feels like the piece should be played like this after one have tried this.
Ianthe22 1 year ago
There is something to be said for playing at ridiculous tempos. Although obviously you should be able to perform a "proper" rendition of a piece, some of the best practice on the piano for me comes from playing familiar pieces as fast as possible. I love doing this with Bach's two and three part inventions, fantastic practice.
While recalling a piece I haven't played in a while, I seem to be able to remember it much more fluidly when playing at a faster tempo, oddly enough.
Gibson29 1 year ago
@Gibson29 The reason why you remember parts of the piece faster or have this "familiar" feeling for the piece after your first tries, is because things like muscle memory and pattern in the music. By playing it faster makes you rely more on the muscle memory.
Ianthe22 1 year ago
@Ianthe22 Indeed, it can be difficult to remember which fingers are hitting which notes at half tempo.
Gibson29 1 year ago
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Isospinsymmetries 1 year ago
It has never been established with certainty that Glenn Gould suffered from Aspergers, it´s presumed by some self-indulgent psychiatrist who masturbated in public.
It has however been established that the greatest pianists humm. ( Isobaric )
Isospinsymmetries 1 year ago
@Isospinsymmetries listen to his music and how much emotional depth there is? listen to his chopin and more romantic renditions of beethoven and mozart. There is certain a blunted emotional affect; technically it's brilliant though.
I would write off the aspergers hypothesis. having aspergers wouldn't limit his musical ability or math ability just make him more likely to be brilliant in bach than rachmaninov or chopin
scout6686 1 year ago
@Isospinsymmetries wouldn't write off*
scout6686 1 year ago
i love your pieces especially Mozart's, flowing and comfortable
funfunpiano 1 year ago
shit yea. his interpretation of beethoven's 1st pathetique put me off a bit, but he rules on mozart all day
Hankhankhank2 1 year ago
btw Glenn Gould had aspergers which is a mild form of autism. This is part of his genius with Bach.
scout6686 1 year ago
Ok this is too much.
knightLynderic 1 year ago
Faster please!
The55555SSSSS 1 year ago 28
haha! :)
lurk1ng 1 year ago
No, Glenn was not a neurotic ass it has however been established that the greatest pianists humm.
Isobaricsymmetrie 1 year ago
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hold your horses
ibclappin 1 year ago
fuck off glenn!!
peppolo55 1 year ago
I really dont like it, if anything was ever "emotionless" it's this. However it doesn't matter because I know he could play this piece any way he wanted. But this is almost robotic.
tarquin161234 1 year ago
The only problem with this interpretation is that after hearing it, any other sounds dull.
fernandofariajunior 1 year ago
the beginning is awful but the tempo does work rather well in the development section.
newgeorge 1 year ago
hahahaha this is like a joke
EilisErina 1 year ago
It's in no way too fast. That's how they played back then. Our modern slow tempi would sound just awful on those old pianos. Anyone who thinks this is too fast should go and read some 18th century literature.
Still, while his tempo is quite appropriate, Gould displays his blatant disregard for historical phrasing, for which he is notorious.
Timrath 1 year ago
@Timrath Its waaauy too fast bro---The piano Mozart had when he wrote this(1778)was still basically a Harpsichord,and used a plucking action.Mozart couldnt have played this that fast. And Mozart wouldnt have played as mechanically either.
mrbrianmccarthy 1 year ago
@mrbrianmccarthy I agree with your last sentence. I think the tempo wouldn't seem "too fast" for many, if it were played with more expression. Mozart was a big fan of agogic, something which is painfully absent from Gould's interpretations.
Timrath 1 year ago
This is punkrock Mozart. Sviatoslav Richter plays this like he understands the composer; Gould plays this like he is a computer.
colourfulwithaU 1 year ago
@colourfulwithaU Gould didnt like Mozart,and butchered every piece of Mozart he touched.He should've never played it if he didnt like it.This interpretation is dreadful start to finish.
mrbrianmccarthy 1 year ago
@mrbrianmccarthy
I agree so much.
Gould was decent at Bach. But he was never a favourite player of mine in any respect. =/'
colourfulwithaU 1 year ago
@colourfulwithaU He did play Bach well,but little else.He was a vastly over rated pianst in my opinion. Check out Valentina Lisitana if you want to see a really great pianist. And of course of the the older guys Richter and Horowitz both eat Gould for breakfast.
mrbrianmccarthy 1 year ago
@mrbrianmccarthy
I know and like all of these pianists, though Valentina seems a little heavy handed to me.
Try Gilels.
I also think the young Yundi Li has a lot of potential.
Mitsuko Uchida is pretty great at playing Mozart.
colourfulwithaU 1 year ago
@colourfulwithaU
Wouldn't you like to mention Gulda?
One of the very greatest interpretors of Mozart.
The55555SSSSS 1 year ago
@mrbrianmccarthy "He was a vastly over rated pianst"
We *will* get flamed for this, but you're absolutely right!
Rabid Gould Fanboys jumping at our throats in 3... 2... 1...
Timrath 1 year ago
@Timrath Glen does have his fans theres no doubt---And he did play Bach well,with the exception of one thing---his constant mumbling and humming while he played.Sorry,I think the guy was a neurotic ass.
mrbrianmccarthy 1 year ago
@mrbrianmccarthy Ahh, the humming! Again, you're right. I know people who go: "This is so adorable, his humming is so expressive, blah blah..."
I can't stand it. It's so horribly out of tune.
Timrath 1 year ago
@mrbrianmccarthy These guys play the same pieces again and again..Although I do like Richter and Horowitz..Gould introduced new interpretations of composers..And, for the love of God, not good at Bach..The best...(Plus, I don't really like Lisitsa..)
CSPlayerDamon 1 year ago
@CSPlayerDamon Maybe Horowitz played the same pieces again and again. But Richter didn't.
alienalienss 1 year ago
Not how I would play the piece myself (besides, it is futile to try to imitate Gould) but there is something oddly refreshing and entertaining about it, perhaps even just the novelty of it. Notwithstanding interpretation, like him or not, that guy could sure move his fingers like none other. I look forward to seeing the new movie about him that is being released soon.
adams82683 1 year ago
Fast? Yes. Too fast? Good luck proving that. If anything its nice to know how Bach might have played this sonata. Gould really brings out the bass part.
chaddyfromtheblock 1 year ago
Its true that with this I can hear various shapes and forms that were not previously so obvious but there is very little beauty left. It is breathtaking but as though Gould took to it with a high octane flame thrower and left just the charred remains. The Lipatti version is very beautiful and equally technically brilliant.
ttellerx 1 year ago
Amazingly off-target, but amazingly played :-)
bersa888 1 year ago 2
ridiculous - murdered Mozart
flowforms 1 year ago 3
impossible to play that fast!!!
anonymous176932 1 year ago 2
I wonder what Glenn Gould ate for breakfast that day.
inazuma3gou 1 year ago 23
@inazuma3gou 3 monsters 4 vaults 10 redbulls
HeartGoldMVP 1 year ago 2
@inazuma3gou Wheaties.
guitaristdf 1 year ago
@inazuma3gou Weetabix
tarquin161234 1 year ago
@inazuma3gou coffee and ciggerettes
scout6686 1 year ago
@inazuma3gou Gould was nocturnal. He ate nothing for most of his working day (night), drank lots of coffee and tea, and ate a big breakfast of scrambled eggs before going to bed at dawn. Gould had a heightened sense of hearing but almost no sense of taste.
Gould died of a stroke at age 50.
Tyronethe24th 1 year ago
@inazuma3gou
Gould plays Mozart work of this very poor taste and no style , as if on horse racing.
59Dusha 1 year ago
@inazuma3gou speed or cocaine
jkruse2007 1 year ago
@jkruse2007 Cocaine, I´d say.
metteholm75 1 year ago 2
@inazuma3gou
he ate speed
cblink1000 11 months ago
@inazuma3gou nothing, he would be too busy practicing lol xD
BooBlueBerry16 11 months ago
However scandalous this may be, I think it works rather well.
Haeronthegreat 1 year ago
I wonder how Mozart would have reacted to this performance
werewethere 1 year ago 3
Tooooofastttttttt......
Volviert 1 year ago 4
@Volviert
Don't you mean "2fst"
werewethere 1 year ago
He is very good. Good at playing fast that is.
MrRosfordKjaerulff 1 year ago
In my sheet the tempo is marked to be 116... He's playing it what, about 174 or something like that :D Too much for my fingers! a bit annoying :(
koopa002 1 year ago
Please compare: /watch?v=kxBidC4jxds
alienalienss 1 year ago
AMAZING!
i9506853 1 year ago
Or type in "Gould K330."
alienalienss 1 year ago
If you want to hear Gould playing Mozart normally, type in "Gould Salzburg" to Youtube.
alienalienss 1 year ago
It's a midi...double speed...
doccompay 1 year ago
@doccompay it's not midi haha.....trust me..i work with midis....this is glenn gould................who's known for this crazy playing
pokemonaruto123 1 year ago
@doccompay
Sure sounds like that doesn't it? But, no, this is just Glenn Gould.
colourfulwithaU 1 year ago
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Completely unique. Just beautiful. This is a very unconventional interpretation, but this "idiot" as some prefer to label him, had an immensely high IQ and regardless of how he may or may not have breeched Mozart's intentions, he nonetheless displayed a rationality of thinking and imagination to a degree that very few musicians seem to posses.
geminiC88 1 year ago
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Completely unique. Just beautiful. This is a very unconventional interpretation, but this "idiot" had an immensely high IQ and regardless of how he may or may not have breeched Mozart's intentions, he nonetheless displayed a rationality of thinking and imagination to a degree that very few musicians seem to posses.
BalthasarMA 1 year ago
I am literally shocked by this recording. It's not necessarily in a good or bad way, but it is very eye-opening, however strange it sounds to me. It just goes to show that you should never be single minded when you interpret a piece, even if what your thinking feels a bit or even hopelessly ridiculous to you.
JChangPianist 1 year ago
Precise, percussive, passionate, a bit dry in places but nobody played as good as Gould. If anyone can suggest a recital of a better quality then I would be glad. I do no think that's possible though.
aituar77 1 year ago
Glenn Gould doesn't even feel the emotion in the music. He just trys to play everything as fast as he can. He is not suited for Mozart, Mozart has emtion it's not just speed and extrereme difficulty. Sorry Gould, but you need more emotion and slow down for God's sake!!!!!!
daytonmlivingston 1 year ago
@daytonmlivingston what? He does not. Have you heard his Bach? This is just a particularly weird take on Mozart.
Ecthelon 1 year ago
very interesting... although I like Richter's performance better, this is really interesting...
Sasha0K 1 year ago
Too hectic and phrasing in Gould's playing has been an issue even when he was alive. I agree with critics who indicate that he sacrifices phrasing for the sake of dexterity. This is a great example of Gould's virtuosity muffling Mozart's beautiful melody in this sonata.
1969Chronos 1 year ago
I hear the melodies just fine.
EMPERORMIKI 1 year ago
looks like that he was under the effect of cocaine when he recorded hahahaha. this way is good to play when u alone and bored!
gabrieloni 1 year ago
mm..... gould... i love his bach.. but on this piece, i prefer richter. i think some of the music is lost by going this fast. i mean, its played brilliantly, but it just seems.... i dunno. you lose something about this piece when you play this ridiculously fast. reminds me of argerich and her tendency to take something and speed it up more than anyone else while performing it correctly and brilliantly.
i guess matter of personal taste though
koryano321 1 year ago
that's awful!!!!!!!
this is not Mozart!!!!!!!!
dongiovanni1000 1 year ago
Oh ~ I love Gould ~
Sakulasong 1 year ago
sounds like it's being fast-forward...and the ending sounds slower than the starting
whneo97 1 year ago
this is presto already...
whneo97 1 year ago
where is the melody?, it should be more delicate, it´s Allegro Maestoso, that is too fast.
granadabruselas 1 year ago
this is not just playing piano...
this is magic!
kiitoob 1 year ago
Mozart, Gould, who gives a shit? your dumb ass twelve year old youtube trolling parades don't mean anything to either of these men, obviously. Dont like the recording? Big fucking deal, go listen to some Polka.
Great performance, but it does sound like a MIDI :/
Acidic0man 1 year ago
@Acidic0man lmao!
SicSkatez 1 year ago
He puts the 'art' in Mozart!
TheOneWingAngeI 1 year ago 3
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@TheOneWingAngeI
He puts the 'speed' in Mozart!
kiitoob 1 year ago
VERY GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
no, it's a SHIT
newFranzFerencLiszt 1 year ago
@newFranzFerencLiszt
I like your opinion.
No, I think you're a retard. I think this preformance is great although to fast. This is the only preformance that has a real spirit of this sonata that most other pianist miss. Gould was just trying to make a new view about this piece, completely different than romantic version you can hear on youtube. I don't think one interpretation is good and another is bad, because i think the right way of playing this sonata is combining this two contrasts.
fafala7 1 year ago
@fafala7 Yes I'm retard. Sorry to be it.
newFranzFerencLiszt 1 year ago
this is a fun little interpretation
TheOneWingAngeI 1 year ago 11
@TheOneWingAngeI Is it smaller than the average interpretation or something?
plmko187187 1 year ago
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@TheOneWingAngeI
this is a fast little interpretation
kiitoob 1 year ago
@TheOneWingAngeI Terrrible. Dreadful! Absolutely no dynamics,no passion.Gould hated Mozart,and its shows in his recordings. He's the worst interpreter of Mozart ever.
mrbrianmccarthy 1 year ago
it sounds like a midi track
LegendaryPenetration 1 year ago
Well, I'm busy learning this Sonata, and to help me form an interpretation, I have compared some interpretations. I have listened to a lot of interpretations, and Gould's is very special. He pays attention to things other pianists doesn't do. The development starts with the main theme in C Major. After a transition, another theme is introduced. This theme has 5 voices, and Glenn Gould pays attention to all five, more than other pianists, I think. This also forms a better harmony.
nmvdw 1 year ago
Also, in the development he doesn't listen to Mozart, and instead he plays in 'this second theme' a overall crescendo. It is 'wrong', but it does say something about the structue of this particular work. The theme starts fortissimo in C Major. Then it modulates to E Major, and becomes pianissimo. After that it goes to A minor, and that one is the climax of the development. By doing it differently, Gould does express this.
Also, Gould's speed make the development dramaticly.
nmvdw 1 year ago
In this movement he plays every line, expressing the polyphony. I think this movement almost got a Bach-like polyphony at some places, but often the clearness is present.
Nevertheless, everyone should have his/her own opinion about Gould's playing. Gould want to make statements, which were never made. Some people like that, some don't . Some people think Gould is a genius, others don't. Still, Gould was an exceptional figure in piano history by his philosphy, and we should all think about it.
nmvdw 1 year ago
Small mistake: the theme starts in B Major.
nmvdw 1 year ago
Mozart is genius!!!
PianistSeb 1 year ago
sounds like a mechanized midi file. nice.
xxh3llfir3xx 1 year ago
Why do so many people bash on Gould for his Mozart playing?
mdeonx16 1 year ago
Good question.
nmvdw 1 year ago
Af en toe gebruikt meneer Gould de piano als een typmachine. Il pianoforte non è una macchina da scrivere, signor Gould.
endymion2005 1 year ago
Ik zie je punt, maar het is wel meesterlijk gespeeld. Beste uitvoering, vind ik.
LANE211 1 year ago
@LANE211 De gustibus.....
endymion2005 1 year ago
this is way 2 fast
this gould is such an immusical retard , he thinks he is kina good player but eh is a fuckin average player
u americans always make such hypes about ppl who can play the piano
gould is messed up , he never hits the feelings mozart wanted 2 express
u can find each day some 1 videos about american kids , who are called the new mozart
american ppl are 2 far away from reality , only uneducated retards are as messed up as the americans
Dirkovic80 1 year ago
@Dirkovic80
1. Glenn Gould was Canadian
2. Gould was and is well-received all over the world, not just in America. So stop generalizing about Americans and people of any culture in general you ignorant German homunculus. Only, a German could be such an inerudite asshole such as yourself. How's THAT for generalizing!
guitarninja90 1 year ago
lol u know nothing about the whole word dude ?
becuz almsot the whole world hates amricans
and lemme tell u uneducated twats that i talked about amricans not about us americans , for me america is a continent not a country (mb you didnt ,learn that in school^)
only western europa which are us sattelite states dont ahte you
Dirkovic80 1 year ago