Sustainable development and the tragedy of commons

[calico2229]

Hmm, the good ol "Sustainability" word. Does this have anything to do with AGENDA 21?

Speaking foo many people, why do these "Sustainable" people never say anything about being flooded by an endless flow of immigrants-their birth rates ignored?

Why not ask this government to end BIRTHRIGHT Citizenship of those born to ILLEGAL ALIENS? Between the ILLEGAL ALIENS & their offspring, they're getting FREE births, WIC, food stamps, Legal-language aide, Free K-12 school (including Free food).

[outsidethesquares]

Over consumption is in the eye of the beholder

[1969floridagirl]

Wow , if anyone of you believe this crap , you need your head checked out.

LOL these Fabian socialists are always whining about big bad humans hehehe

[g4macdad]

@1969floridagirl

OH so reality is "socialist's" fault. You are a "genius". LOL

Wanna buy some GoldLine or AmWay? How about a bridge or swamp land? You pathetic Glenn Beck sheep FUCKWIT! Grow a brain.

[yomamma12324]

@1969floridagirl you dumass its not a matter of belief, its a matter of looking at objective empirical evidence and formulating theories to explain that evidence. She is trying to explain, and propose a solution to the observable decline of natural resources that are meant to be sustainable. get the fucking prejudices out of your head.

[oatesn]

Smithfield W’sale Meat Mkt traded with all buying and selling be it a single shop or a chain of 50 or 100 done on a single nod or handshake confirming deals that could be thousands of pounds. Once agreed no one reneged This worked for 120 years but now with 4 or 5 supermarkets controlling the meat trade this Gentleman’s Agreement disappeared. Supermarkets reject product walkaway from deals the moment a market dips Her analogy may be OK for an Alpine meadow 500 years ago but not in today’s world

[oatesn]

Australian fishing boats fish the north atlantic , No discourse there . This is nonsense.

[greenmovement11]

@oatesn then you completely missed the point, those australian fishing boats are what she called roving bandits. why do australians need to be fishing the north atlantic? are there not plenty of fish resources near australia where they don't have to expend so much energy to travel so far?

[rocknrollfolds]

max utility does not mean most efficient

[lindilindi007]

@rocknrollfolds

Huh? Do you know how utility is defined?

[calvinjones]

Starts of weak but gets good. Also, the overall point is very important. I believe the aside on trust is broadly applicable to any collective endevor without coercsion.

[atotheroh]

Elinor Ostrom won the 2009 Nobel Prize in economics. I go to IU. I'm going to take her class now. lol

[vetromaster]

People are the problem, if you don't the population reduce fivefold all of this is not going to help. I'd wage for the WWIII in the next 15 years.

[segan25]

hey ostrom --- much respect from jerusalem, israel.

[Kbaca]

Glenn Beck, is that you? Maaan, the wingnuts are ramping up the hyperbole.

[MatrixRevealer]

This is great! A COMMUNIST wins the Nobel Economics Prize, isn't that sweet. Just when the Fascist DICTATOR won the Nobel Peace Prize. IN YOUR FACE AMERIKA! We are all Socialists, we are all socialists now! according to Newsweek. Well the real surprise is about to unfold - stay tuned, it's only half time and the Red, White and Blue is about to take the field. BETTER get on the RIGHT side of HISTORY!

[kobe24]

she's not a socialist - she's advocating private property w/o govt control. she says "gov't ownership" and common ownership lead to over-fishing/ overuse

[otacon451]

her research certainly evaluates libertarian socialist principles. i cant imagine anarcho capitalist folks advocating any form of commons, theyre all for individualist sovereign management over resources afaik

[nimdeos]

@otacon451 It is my understanding that a group of anarcho capitalists could, through voluntarism, join land resources and manage it as a commons. perhaps?

[otacon451]

@nimdeos absolutely, afaik.

[Irondukesteve]

libertarian socialism...particularly Mutualist economcs, advocates private property in the form of Cooperatives. There is no corporate or state owned property. That is what Otacon451 is saying.

[Ihas3pair]

@kobe24 She isn't advocating anything but showing with her research that common ownership is not that much of a problem as "the tragedy of commons" suggested, and that local communities usually have more information about what concerns them than larger entities like governments or global organisations, thus local communities will make better local decisions in general than governments/global organisations/etc.

She is NOT saying common ownership leads to over-use.

[Ihas3pair]

@kobe24 Her research shows that common ownership does NOT necessarily lead to over-fishing/overuse

[vicky99nicky]

Great video. Ostrom's work is much richer and has more profound implications than I originally thought.

Having said this, there is a little error in this video. The top of the curve (mentioned at 2.23) is not the equilibrium point (if it was there would be no problem). It's the efficient point.

[kobe24]

what's the difference? the max equilibrium point is the same as the efficient point right?

[everrpa]

@vicky99nicky No, it's an equilibrium. If you operate at that point, then your level of extraction just equals the level of resource renewal... hence the resource population is in a steady-state or "equilibrium." If you operate beyond this point, you will push the resource population further and further down, and if you operate below it the population will continue to grow and grow. Note that equilibrium in this case is not equal to "point at which people actually operate."

[greenmovement11]

@vicky99nicky isn't it the maximum sustainable yield?