(Kent Hovind) Creation Seminar 1 - Age of the Earth Part 12

[RJL738]

This is a bit too much to go into but there is just too much that has happened as climates shift and even go through an equilibrium and even animals migrate. Too much has elapsed to detemine what happened that exactly. But it doesn't work to assume currect rates are an accurate application of how things have always been or a hystory of those mechanisms.

[RJL738]

In just one system they found as much as three planets in the habatable zone of a star. It is most likely that planet outnumber stars by a good amount, something to really think about. More than half the planet in our solar system would most likely not be found around the nearest star and the smallest extrasolar planet they have found is just under 1.4 Earth masses. The universe is that large.

[RJL738]

Yes it is true that there are many times more maybe even orders of magnetude more stars in the known universe than there are grains of sand on every beach, desert, sandbox, vollybal court or what and sediments simlar to sand of the world. These estimates may be conservate by maybe several times. Our entire solar system more than just the planets goes around just one of those stars. Our Sun is not even that big for a star.

[controversialist01]

The Earth Slowing down explains why Adam Lived for over 200 years, because a day was alot shorter than it is today

[HPAndranix]

@controversialist01 That doesn't have anything do to with how long it takes the Earth to go around the sun

[VD420herpes]

@controversialist01 See that's what I thought but I checked it out and really, if you went back 4.5 billion years, waaaaay longer than when they said Adam was alive, it was still only a 14hr day. It only slows about .005 seconds a year or so. So I fail to see how having a day a few hours shorter than ours could result in us living more than 10 times our current life expectancy. His arguements lose alot of merit once you start looking into them, and I did only because of interest not to disprove.

[FlyinSpaghettiMnstr7]

i find it funny how he using evidence that SCIENTIST say is true when he thinks it helps him, but when something doesn't he want proof. he is a bios creationtard. he talks about how fast the earth is spinning, but he never saw it or measured it himself,but yet he execepts it as fact when he thinks it help him, but when he hears about how old the earth is then NO NO NO NO NO, not true.

[Eye2EyeIIIV]

Someone said "I wish Carl Sagan would come back to life and kill this man!"

FOR WHAT?!

For legitimately introducing people to evidence that they are never shown in pro-New World Order schools?!

[gregrutz]

The magnetic field has flipped, they proved it, He just says it not true and thinks he wins!?!

[gregrutz]

We do have an older desert, it is called ZION Nat. Park. 4000 feet of sandstone for an old desert. Kent should go outside once in a while.

[gregrutz]

They don't use carbon 14 dating on fossils, it has too short of half life.

The ocean floors prove plate tectonics by tracking the magnetic reversals, Kent is lying when he says there is no proof.

[Eye2EyeIIIV]

To Hovind-scoffers:

Being rude does not make you come even CLOSE to winning arguments.

Just cussing, swearing, jeering, & gutter-mouthing Ken is not gonna make u guys the "right, & win the argument." If all u say is just "He's an idiot, he's a liar", do u KNOW that, r do u THINK that? Just saying stuff like that, over & over & over again, is not gonna get u ANYWHERE.

PS: You cannot change the facts. The Science is real. This earth is "young" - though 6,000 years... is VERY VERY VERY long.

[MinnesotaNorthStar]

@Eye2EyeIIIV I agree. If they would just look into what they actually believe they might see there fault. They have no real evidence so they have to resort to attacking and making false claims. You should check out a site called

"science against evolution"

It is not a creation site it is a ID site with a lot of great material proving evolution to be false. They may not believe in creation the way I do but they do explain how false evolution is and point it out very well.

[gregrutz]

@Eye2EyeIIIV

What about the Chinese who live 7000 years ago??????

[Eye2EyeIIIV]

You guys just rate down and spam MinnesotaNorthStar because you're afraid to study the scientific evidence.

Please at least try giving an open mind, and put away your prior commitments.

[obdami]

Do you advocate slavery?

[obdami]

Slaves are to be submissive to their masters in everything, and to be well-pleasing, not talking back . (Titus 2:9)

[obdami]

@MinnesotaNorthStar -- Another question for you -- are you for or against stoning children to death for being disodient as YOUR BIBLE commands?

Lemme guess, you won't answer because you know that it will make you look like a dipshit.

It's real clear. The Bible says to stone children to death. But your internal, nonreligious morality won't allow you to do that.

Think about that,.....

[MinnesotaNorthStar]

Obdami Make me look like a dip shit? How would you possibly be able to do that?

I am against all forms of killing and that includes stoning my children. Are you trying to tell me that a law given by God to the Jews back in the old testament is what all of us are suppose to follow today? Do you really believe that? If you do then why do you believe that. Where in scripture does is tell the world to do such a thing. Prove your statement or change your outlook.

[obdami]

Ok, you win. I'm tired of debating with you. Debating with a Christian is the equivalent of talking to someone who has their fingers in their ears and saying "lalalalalalalalala". Have a nice life.

[MinnesotaNorthStar]

obdami You are tired of debating because you have no point of proof. If you want to talk about who has fingers in the ears then take a look in the mirror. You should stay out of topics you have no ideal about. The only absolute thing that was accomplished is the fact that you only hate God and you do not even know why. Don't hate what you don't know anything about. If you took some time and thought about that you might get somewhere. God wants you to be saved but you have to realize that.

[obdami]

@MinnesotaNorthStar -- You are such a typical Christian that you would make a good Mormon. I bet you would enjoy wearing the magic underwear.

lalalalalalalalalalalalalalala­lalalalalalalala

[obdami]

@MinnesotaNorthStar -- "God wants you to be saved..."

Saved from what? If I'm made in his image, I should be perfect, in fact a twin of God. What does God want me to be saved from? Himself?

Why can't you see how fucking ridiculous religion is? It's just a giant crock of shit. And that includes your religion and all others. Just a bunch of deluded fools being indoctrinated by other deluded fools.

Open your eyes and free you mind...

[MinnesotaNorthStar]

obdami Man made religion of all kinds is stupid and dangerous and that includes evolution so look at yourself before looking at others. Jesus is the only Church anyone should follow. When one looks into the history we can quite clearly see what religions to stay away from especially Catholicism. Only God is perfect. Man is not. Created in His image does not mean we are God. That is just stupid. Why on earth would you think that? Do you read everything with such trouble?

[obdami]

Anyone who blasphemes the name of the LORD must be put to death. The entire assembly must stone him. Lev 24:16

[MinnesotaNorthStar]

obdami You do not understand what Jesus stands for if you think that we are suppose to stone people. Like I already said. You have no idea what you are talking about. You are only repeating what other people who have no idea have said. Yet you continue as if you have a point. What is wrong with you anyway?

[obdami]

@MinnesotaNorthStar -- Christianity is based on the stories and claims of the Bible. If the Bible is not largely accurate history, then Christianity has no foundation. Thus, either the Bible is dependable, historical truth or Christianity is just superstitious mumbo-jumbo.

[MinnesotaNorthStar]

Obdami Could you seriously think that the Bible is not accurate? Get real. It is very accurate. Why do you think archeologist use the Bible? I am baffled at how off the mark you are. Where do you get your information anyway? Do you imagine it or something? I mean really. You are either very young or just play too many video games or something. Your comments make no sense. I really can't help but question where exactly you are coming from. Why do you think the Bible is not accurate?

[gregrutz]

@MinnesotaNorthStar

There was no flood 4400 years ago, that proves the bible is wrong.

[MinnesotaNorthStar]

gregrutz Polystrate Fossils are found all around the world. Only about 1 in 50 of the fossilized trees still have there roots attached which show that they were uprooted and buried in different locations. Fossils themselves are evidence of a flood. Being buried shortly after they died caused them to fossilize.

You can use SLOWLY over time all you want to but it only causes more problems for yourself. There most certainly was a world wide flood about 4400yrs. ago.

[gregrutz]

@MinnesotaNorthStar

What about the Egyptians living in 6000BC?

Or the Chinese? Why didn't they die in the flood?

Why are the fossils laid down from simple to complex, showing evolution.

[gregrutz]

@MinnesotaNorthStar

watch, noahs flood debunked

and see why floods don't make distinct layers of different kinds of rock.

[stupidcomments101]

@obdami you would be perfect, if Adam and Eve were, but they weren't. They sinned and caused imperfection for humanity. Stop using crude language and ignorance to prove something wrong.

[Eye2EyeIIIV]

@MinnesotaNorthStar

That's great to hear, I wish we had more people like u who r open minded & will at least look at the scientific data.

[gregrutz]

all of science supports evolution, sorry.

[stupidcomments101]

@obdami Im pretty sure he will have a nice life being devoted to God. If you only had the least bit of faith you would feel him working inside you as well. Instead, you reject him and act immature whenever someone tries to inform you of him.

[obdami]

Read your Bible, dumbass ==

If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother ... Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city ... And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die. Deuteronomy 21:18-21

[stupidcomments101]

@obdami After Jesus was crucified, most of these laws were thrown out because Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice for all of this. Jesus being crucified and the sins of the world being thrown on him took the place of the "child stoned to death"

[gregrutz]

There are magnetic reversals, It has been proven. Why does he lie?

[obdami]

Hey boys and girls, how many of you can figure out that Kent Hovind is full of shit without any help? (raises hand) The whole room raises their hands. Amen...

[fortruth8989]

(The Decline of the Magnetic Field)

It is quite possible from studied Science that the magnetic field of the earth started to decline after Adam sinned. Then there were A LOT of reversals done at the time of the worldwide Flood. Then before and during the time of Jesus, there were some fluctuations. And now, since then, there has been steady continuos decay to the magnetic field till now.

[obdami]

I wonder if Kent got the top bunk or the bottom bunk in his prison cell?

[KongSiengFong]

Can you explain the earth magnetic field than?

[MinnesotaNorthStar]

obdami I'll bet that Kent is living a more meaningful life in jail than you lead yourself. You do not even understand the circumstances of why he is in jail. We have people who run our country who have clearly broken the law yet they walk free. You want to attack Hovind because he represents God and you don't like that. How dare you. You might find yourself in a similar predicament one day so you better watch out. Maybe that is what it will take for you to wake up.

[obdami]

@MinnesotaNorthStar -- Ok, you're cool, I'm not. You're smart, I'm not. You're awesome, I'm not,You've got a big dick, I don't. You live in a nice house, I don't. You love yourself, I don't. You are the man, I'm not. You've got it all figured out, I don't.

Feel better about yourself now?

[MinnesotaNorthStar]

obdami I never once said anything about being better than you. I just don't want to see people attack Kent Hovind for reasons they do not understand. I looked into the court case and could not believe what they did. He asked the Feds three times what he needed to do and they gave his lawyers no answer. Then the show up and take him away. I mean seriously. Think about that. Do you want something like that to happen to yourself or a loved one? Why isn't Tim Geitner in prison?

[obdami]

@MinnesotaNorthStar -- It's pretty simple why he's in prison. Tax fraud. He never filed a tax return, ever. Now one could argue that he had a legitimate reason for not paying taxes (e.g., his distaste for evolution being taught in schools), but he had no problem using public services for which he didn't help pay for but you and I did, things like roads and defense security.

The guy is a deluded fool and his actions put his wife in prison for a year.

[MinnesotaNorthStar]

It is clear you do not understand what you are talking about. If I were you I would just stop trying to justify your rude and hateful comments.

[obdami]

@MinnesotaNorthStar -- Well gee wiz, look who is getting all holier than thou? Typical, you religious nut jobs are all the same. "Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up." So typical...

[obdami]

@MinnesotaNorthStar -- BTW, if you're so enamored with Hovind, then please follow in his footsteps and quit paying your taxes. Hey, maybe you could end up being a cellmate with Kent. WooooWhooo!!!!!!

[obdami]

Yeah, you better run...

[MinnesotaNorthStar]

obdami Someone needs to explain to you that a church is suppose to be tax exempt. He did no different than any catholic church yet for some reason they single him out. I think that has a lot to do with THEM not liking what he had to say. Also because he would not sit under the banner of Rome. These are things that a person like yourself has no concept of yet you go on and on thinking you understand. If you don't like Hovind then go away. You have nothing to say that is relevant anyway.

[obdami]

He didn't, and doesn't have a church, and even if he did he would still have to pay personal income taxes and payroll taxes for his employees. He didn't do either. He's a tax evader and that 's why he is in prison. HE NEVER PAID ANY TAXES AT ALL. Get it? Can I make it any more clear for you? Look at it this way, he was STEALING from you. Yes, STEALING. Nevermind that he's a lying piece of shit as well, doesn't it bother you he was stealing from you?

[MinnesotaNorthStar]

Unlike yourself I am not a liberal who thinks that taxes are a good thing. Like I already told you. His lawyers asked the IRS three times how he should handle the taxes. He was ready to pay if he needed to. They gave him no response and instead just showed up and threw him in prison.

Stop wasting your effort to attack Hovind when you should instead be calling for people like Tm Geitner to be punished. Now he really is a tax evader and a criminal. You just hate God.

[obdami]

@MinnesotaNorthStar -- I don't hate God, that would be absured to hate something that doesn't exist. It would be almost as absured as worshiping something that doesn't exist, which apparently you do.

Anyway, back to Hovind, he OVERTLY evaded paying taxes. I don't like paying taxes either, but I do like driving on interstate highways, visiting National Parks, and knowing that I'm protected by a national defense system. Hovind liked it too, but was too cheap to help pay for it.

[stupidcomments101]

@obdami You just deny with no proof. Have you even tried worshiping or devoting yourself to him? Try that and then you can present an argument.

[obdami]

And BTW, you are full of shit on the "three times" argument. All Hovind did was question the validity of tax law. Typical tax protester bullshit. But Hovind takes it to a new level with his conspiracy crap. I bet you're into that bullshit too.

You dipshits are just laughable -- you believe in religious fairy tales and government conspiracy theories. I bet you own a bunch of guns.

Go hide under your bed, "they" are coming for ya.

Hahahahahahaha

[obdami]

@Eye2EyeIIIV -- "I don't get how some of you people come to the conclusion that Hovind's a liar."

I don't think he's a liar, rather I think he's a deluded fool and a huckster showman. He offers ZERO scientific proof for his proposition. Instead, all he does is find gaps and supposed errors in current scientific thinking. His whole argument is simply this -- if you're wrong, then I'm right. That's a totally dumbass argument.

[tylerh5k]

@obdami --Dummy... he posts and mentions all the sources that support some of his theories, the rest are based from the Bible, and if you don't believe or agree with the Bible (God's word), than nobody expects you agree with Kent Hovind. Why don't you do some of your own research and figure out things that way.

[obdami]

@tylerh5k -- Yes, I agree, he does list his references. These are references that he uses to refute evolution, etc. NONE of these references are positive points for creationism. They are all negative (and by the way they are 90% bullshit and the rest is outright lies -- look it up). He has never shown any evidence in support of his BS crap, NADA, ZERO, ZIP, NOTHING. But, I bet he's a good laundry worker in the prison he lives in. HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

[tylerh5k]

@obdami --You got me there lol

[ferdnerkel]

@Giannapoughd i just tried to go there and watch but it looks like it has been removed.

[dscolar]

all you evolutionists blockheads are simply incorigible. u deny evidence even when it is presented to you in the simplest, clearest and most accurate form ever. go get a life.

[gregrutz]

You have evidence? fossils? of what?

[Eye2EyeIIIV]

I don't get how some of you people come to the conclusion that Hovind's a liar.

There are 2 simple reasons why he's not:

#1. The facts he presents have evidence shown right there to support it (the reference to newspapers, etc)

#2. Whenever he has an OPINION, he says so CLEARLY - he starts by saying "I think"

Even if his theory is WRONG, it's just his theory, and he SAYS that.

Therefore he's not lying, he's just saying what he thinks. It would only be lying if he told you it was FACT.

[dreamcattcher1]

the reason is he misrepresents the information. Take the 10% decrease in the Earth's magnetic field. He doesn't cite a peer reviewed journal accepted by physicists, instead he uses "Astronomy and the Bible" and "Scientific Creationism" as his sources. This does not therefore constitute science, and cannot be regarded so. The reason Hovind is a liar is because either he must realise this, but claims it as science anyway.

[gregrutz]

The magnetic field does reverse, it has been proven, Kent lies even when he is shown he is wrong.

[1Bryanmacan]

gregrutz,

Sea Floor spreading does happen no doubt. Why does it have to take millions of years? Ken Ham has an excellent theory of how a global flood like Genesis could have caused this. Read it, it's easy to find, I did it accidentally.

And atheists, what about all of the proofs for a young earth? Listen to Kent more, you'll here them. It makes sense that the gov't clouds education with Evolution. No God means the Gov't is what people must look to for answers. This is why it is pushed.

[gregrutz]

It is called 'sea floor spreading',

It has been proven,

but it takes millions of years so it can't be right because it doesn't match his bible.

[geodashamayim]

Good job Eye2Eye HeeHeeHaHa

[Trzcinka77]

If hes really that sure that earth is 6000 years old how does he answer dendrochronology as it can date up to 7500 B. C. in middle east with accuracy of 1 year

[NoneBeforeNoneAfter]

They are off.

[thebirdbath]

dendrochronology is not completely accurate. Many trees can produce 1-3 rings per year. OOPS!

Hovind is right.

I wish atheists would pray this prayer:

"Holy Spirit, If your real, open my eyes to you."

Then let your heart lead you.

[gregrutz]

Why does Kent have a dozen reasons the earth is young. He only needs to prove one of them, right?

No, he has to prove all types of science wrong and he can't keep up with all the evidence against him.

[Eye2Eye35]

from 0:44 it talk about carbon dating

[thecommonsenseguy]

If anyone here is honestly interested in what science has to say about an old earth, i can tell snyone first hand why this planet is old and why there was no great flood, this is a take it or leave it opportunity. There is a reason 99% of scientists believe in an old earth, if you honestly are curious why, just send me a private message and ill give you information im sure you never considerred or even knew existed. I can tell you all you need to know and more, that is all.

[STeroidsnicca]

how?

[thecommonsenseguy]

wow, i made this post a long time ago...well, there are many ways we know the planet is old. To explain them id have to private message you.

If youre really interested i have no problem talking about it, but i dont want to waste my time if you dont really care.

so would you like to know?

[marcfalmer]

Your argument won't stand. That is why you want to make it private.

[Dolirn]

Saying that adding time on the clock ever year (or so) means the earth is slowing down I think is enough to ruin his credibility if it was the only thing he ever said.  He doesn't seem to realize that a year is actually a year (as we measure it) plus a second (or so).

[Wasserbrunnen]

hello- i believe in the bible but i have one question- where is the salt that would stay on earth after the flood- sorry for my poor english :)

[infowarrior007]

your english is a whole loy better than most here so don't aweat it chers.

[Bremsstrahlung1]

Quite a few, regardless of the numbers this man is dead wrong, and a liar/thief of peoples' dignity. And during the plate techtonics part, explain why the same fossilized species is found in both the americas and africa - this guy didn't consider errosion/volcanism and the flux in ocean levels. The oil part is just funny is so f'ing wrong. Take an organic chemistry class you will see why.

[GrandThefthScratchy]

youre a bitch

[Bremsstrahlung1]

this guy needs to pick ten physics books and stop talking.

[salvador36213]

how many pyhsics book have you read

[kDest]

"how many pyhsics book have you read"

Reading a simple biology book, geology book, and physics book go a long way into showing how fundamentally wrong this guy is. That's why Kent Hovind is a laughing stock.

[Bremsstrahlung1]

"The rest is purely theoretical".... wow just like christianity!!!, ooo but wait you can't pick up christ on a geiger-counter

[skihas1]

people who think for themselves like you do need help! pray for these misguided people

[FadedHolySoldier]

and its true--CARBON dating cannot be trusted---this has been refuted--Silly evolutionists

[kDest]

"and its true--CARBON dating cannot be trusted---this has been refuted--Silly evolutionists"

Silly creationist, carbon dating isn't used for anything beyond 50000 years old. That's why we use other radioisotopes with longer half-lives.

[Akeenhahamo]

Dear Kent Hovind, please take a Earth Science/Geology/Astronomy course so that you don't sound like a complete idiot. There are many logical SCIENTIFIC answers to all of the issues brought up in your seminar. It is not good practice to tell people something without letting them know the other sides arguments. Please get a brain.

[FadedHolySoldier]

OH Ye aAKEEn?? so why dont you post it, instead of Just talking---

[Akeenhahamo]

1) It is a waste of my time because all those people who need the information are people like yourself, who wouldn't accept it anyway. 2) There are so many that the time and space to write them would not only be a waste of my time to write, but because people are lazy they wouldn't read it all anyways. That is how religion is so popular, people were to lazy to think for themselves.

[soolkyut]

He always assumes everything acts linearly, since earth has lost 10% of its magnetism in the last 150 years... we can extrapolate to billions of years ago.... no... you can't.

[Crossfirechick85]

point of interest. Not all christians are idiots like this guy. I' a christian, and I KNOW evolution happened. Doesn't challenge my faith at all, and to me it makes God even bigger. People like this guy just have no faith so they have to devote their life arguing with science. He's not the first, and sadly, he won't be the last to make all christians look like the idiot he is.

[megattallica]

how is it that you 'KNOW' evolution happened? instead of calling Hovind an 'idiot', why don't you provide us with EVIDENCE for your religion based on evolution..

[dragonfist25]

"and I KNOW evolution happened."

3rd dumbest comment EVER!.

[Akeenhahamo]

lol... what are the first 2?

[dragonfist25]

#1. "Ronnie Coleman doesn't use steroids."

#2. "Wow, I thought that the Sun was the  largest star in the Universe."

[1badfokker]

Either you believe in the scriptures or you don't. If you do believe in the scriptures then it is IMPOSSIBLE to say you believe in evolution, UNLESS the ONLY part of evolution you believe in is adaptation.

[kDest]

"Either you believe in the scriptures or you don't. If you do believe in the scriptures then it is IMPOSSIBLE to say you believe in evolution,"

Reading biblical texts literally is like reading a poetry book literally. The fact is that the texts can have an infinite number of interpretations.

[gregrutz]

so you are saying scriptures are wrong?

Because evolution happened.

and you 'believe' in religion, not science.

[Samson25877]

i just wish...everyone could belive they had meaning i don't get the reason to think your an evolved animal other then because you want to act like one... what about there kids it honestly breaks my heart.

[taztef]

In other words, the native Americans, who broke off from a particular core and therefore didn't have the written records, had to rely on oral tradition to communicate the events to the following generations. Now... everyone knows how quickly oral communications can become corrupted.

[Cupit29]

And his desert theory doesn't even deserve a counter-response.

[Cupit29]

All chrisitian propaganda is the same. Laugh at science but NEVER, EVER under any circumstances tell your droid followers the truth or explain these things to them properly. Really sad how so many people blindly follow and pay these people.

[calamariaxo]

It's approx 0.005 seconds a year. In other words we had a 14 hour day at the earths creation (yes 4.6 billion years ago). The rest is to dumb to refute.

[taztef]

Apparently, you're too dumb to spell your words correctly.

[calamariaxo]

As epyon said, the earths magnetic fields change, and there is clear evidence of this (lava which has cooled in different magnetic environments etc see paleomagnetism for more). This is, as he says, an observable scientific fact. Oops, he just fracked up.

[gearzone2611]

i used to believe the pangea was scientifically noe rror now i know

[Epyon42]

holy crap does this current Florida convict know anything? The Earth's magnetic poles switch every few hundred thousand years or so. He's denying this now? Is there NOTHING these people can compromise on?

[taztef]

Were you there a few hundred-thousand years ago? No... I didn't think so.

[Epyon42]

ohhh, burned, were you there when they wrote the Bible? burnedddddddddddddd

[taztef]

ohh, burned, I wasn't, but there were others who were there throughout history. There was absolutely nobody there a "couple hundred-thousand years ago".

[Epyon42]

dude, we had native americans from several thousand years ago that said the earth was hacked up by a god raven, how is that any less primitive than a sky wizard who makes men out of clay and ribs?

[taztef]

And exactly what documentation are you using to support this claim? Oral tradition won't exactly cut it. And if you want to take the "other cultures say ___" approach, well then just about every one of those "other cultures" mention a great flood. The Raven God thing may be an attempt to make sense of something that HAS been passed down through oral tradition.

[Epyon42]

Yes, "other" cultures have it wrong when they try to explain history. It is good that you question my claim with demands for documentation and supporting evidence. It is bad to do the same when the culture is your own. All "other" cultures incorrectly make myths out of the fantastic claims of nature defying acts, with talking snakes and ambiguous moral stories that can be found as Truth in your culture's myth. Please, demand more of this "evidence" that you sneer when others ask of yours.