EuroFighter Typhoon at Dubai Airshow 2009

[3133WBJ]

great! it gives U a really sharp image:D

[dmcfarli]

Incorrect. The AN/APG-80 used in the UAE F-16s is in fact a derivative of the AN/APG-77 used in the F-22; they were both designed and developed by Northrup the only difference is that the UAE paid for the AN/APG-80 to be built. It's less capable than the AN/APG-77 but still better than the EF-2000's radar.

The 787 has flown several times now and is the most advanced composite widebody; Airbus' A350 is at least 6 years from flying.

[dmcfarli]

Wow..you mean the EF-2000 can employ sensor fusion to launch BVR missiles? The F-14 had that capability in 1975 (EO suite + IRST + Radar).

The JHMCS is first and foremost a situational awareness capability. Beyond that, it can be used to launch HOBS/LOAL missiles but the JHMCS is not required for either.

The AIM-120D AMRAAM has superior range (180km) to the Meteor, its cheaper, stealthier, has better sensors, is smaller allowing more to carried, is in service while the Meteor's IOC is 2013.

[dmcfarli]

It can be implemented anytime. It's not seen as being an urgent capability. It could be done tomorrow if events dictated.

[dmcfarli]

IRSTs have fundamental limitations with respect to range and all-weather capability. The US is working on several IR + EO + EM sensor fusion suites that will go into the F-35 and eventually into the F-22 as needed.

The F-22 will be deploying a LOAL passive seeker based AIM-9X Block II in Increment 3.2 which is imminent. If the need becomes urgent it will be done ASAP. It's a matter of choice (read: money) not fundamental capability.

The F-22 is optimized for A2A; stealth is just one aspect

[dmcfarli]

Yes I am. The APG-77 AESA and the ALR-94 are a potent combination providing for passive detection of EM emissions as well as Low-probability of intercept radar tracking and detection. Like I said, an IRST could be easily integrated (it was intended to be integrated) but was not done because of the lack of perceived need. The US has plenty of Advanced IRST systems it could integrate.

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[dmcfarli]

The sensor suite in the F-22 is superior to the JHMCS. The JHMCS is an easy/cheap way to provide enhanced situational awareness and HOBS capability to *legacy* aircraft.

The JHMCS is superior to the HMS in the EF-2000.

The overall sensor suite and display system in the F-22 is superior to the HMS in the EF-2000.

The HDMS is superior to all of the above. I was using JHMCS as a lower bound for capability which the EF-2000 does *not* possess.

[dmcfarli]

Where are you getting your figures, the EADS Eurofighter website? The US has already produced 150 Raptors; that's more than the total number of EF-2000s in existence. AFAIK, only 470 EF-2000s are planned. More than F-22s but consider that the US will be procuring Super Hornet IIs and F-15SEs which match up favorably with the EF-2000.

$65 billion is total R&D + unit cost for 187 units.

Put in perspective that's about 10% of this year's Defense Budget of $636 billion.

[dmcfarli]

Also, that R&D money has gone to advance the AESA, stealth, engine, avionics and sensor technologies that will be used in all current and future US fighters; it's the reason reason that *all* US fighters offered for export have AESAs and other advanced sensor suites. It's why US composites technology is at least a generation ahead of Europe.

It's an investment that will yield a huge return when 3000 F-22 derived F-35s are ultimately produced and exported.

[dmcfarli]

The original claim no. 9 was that the JHMCS is superior to the EF-2000 equivalent. the HDMS is vastly superior to both systems. The F-22 can definitely benefit from the HDMS but doesn't necessarily need it.

[dmcfarli]

Virtually all US air launched weapons are developed with interoperability in mind. It's simply a matter of a little time and money. But why launch an expensive AARGM at a SAM site when you could just pulverize it with a cheap SDB? The AARGM is intended for 4+ Generation SEADS aircraft i.e. aircraft that don't have all-aspect stealth.

Why would you want to launch one or two ALCMs from a Raptor when a B2 or B1 could launch dozens?

You can do many things with the Raptor.

[dmcfarli]

In the final analysis, the world has a low estimation of EF-2000; It has had no export success (Saudi Arabia excluded because it was based on pure bribery e.g. the Al Yamamah scandal).

The only countries who have bought the EF-2000 are those who participated in its development. It's *way* too pricey per unit relative to its capabilities.

The Rafale is a *much* better value if you want a Euro-canard style aircraft or the Gripen for that matter which has actually enjoyed some export success.

[dmcfarli]

9. Arguably, the F-22 needs neither the JHMCS nor an IRST system. However, the F-22 was designed with both systems in mind and both systems can be easily integrated. My understanding is that the F-22 will get the superior HDMS used on the F-35 in the next block upgrade.

10. Source for this claim?

11. No. Again, the Mach 1.8 is max supercruise not max speed.

12. Sources?

13. Eh? 3 times more expensive. The Tiffy is about $100 Million USD vs. about $143 million for an F-22 (see Wikipedia)

[dmcfarli]

7. Continued. In terms of the forward hemisphere it's a very capable AWACS and when combined with Link16 makes it an AWACS that can survive a dogfight.

8. An SDB launched at Mach 1.8 has a KE of roughly 21 MJoules or the equivalent of a kinetic energy penetrator fired from a 120mm main tank gun. The F-22 can carry eight of these.

There's nothing to prevent the F-22 from carrying the latest AARGM or cruise missiles.

[dmcfarli]

Yeah, the Eurofighter Tiffy is great despite: 1. No vectored thrust 2. No internal stores for air-to-air missiles 3. No stealth 4. No Mach 1.8 supercruise 5. No AESA Radar 6. No passive radar receiver 7. No AWACS capability 8. No strike capability 9. No JHMCS 10. No extended range 11. No Mach 2.4 top speed 12. Limited payload So you get *all* of this with the F-22s price tag. What a bargain!

[bunnyfoofoo83]

the display is more impressive than the f-22s in my opinion.

[sottyuk]

best plane in the world with one of the best pilots in the world!

[uarezero]

so wish i could go :( i ddnt know u had to be over 16!!!! next year i can definitely go :P nice vid btw

[slikbaz]

sorry to disappoint, but the next show is in 2011. Hopefully I'll be going too then. Doesn't matter too much though lol, since I live next to the airport I can see the airshow from my roof :)