TO THE IPOD: As You can see below this is not the original commercial. This is the remastered version from 2004! That's why the heroine is listening to the IPod
Ironic how the critics of police state are today mostly socialists, when capitalists seem to praise this book. Yet, the author of 1984 was a socialist as well...
PS. No, i don't see China and North Korea as socialist states, i see them as fascist hypocrites, just like the US, Italy and Russia. The closest thing to REAL socialism has been achieved in the Nordic countries Sweden and Norway.
There are very few ideologies surviving today that don't list justice and equality as stated goals/aims. Ideologies are most meaningfully defined operationally - HOW do they aim to achieve what they state they want to achieve? Socialism is and has always been the belief that nationalization of some or all products and services (healthcare, basic supplies distribution)serve to gradually eliminate the existence of socioeconomic class without serious economic repercussion (hasn't worked once yet)
Although corruption has never been avoided when this has been tried in the past (a political upper class replaces the economic one), there's ample evidence it wouldn't work even if corruption were stamped out. With heavily decreased incentive of advancement, and little or no chance of being fired, most end up lowering the quality of their work significantly, lowering overall economic output without lowering wages or work-time. Further, vast resources are consumed by a notoriously *continued*
...inefficient bureaucracy. So, production efficiency decreases and administrative costs skyrocket.
Now, socialism is a general term for a class of ideologies. The most famous special-case socialist administrative method is the Command Economy - applied most completely in Bolshevik Communism (a class of "Utopian Socialism"). In this sort of economy, EVERYTHING is centrally controlled, and there is no currency - individuals are allotted goods and services.
As an aside, I'd like to point out that George Orwell was at one time an Anarcho-Syndicalist, and was involved in the troubles in Barcelona - not directly a socialist. Anarcho-Syndicalism does believe in communal control of goods and services (in a complete way, as in a Command Economy), but NOT in any central control. Instead, that ideology believes in a sort of "rule-by-trade-union". Orwell became disenchanted in that movement after the Spanish civil war, as he did with other Utopian movements
You don't have to explain how most "socialist governments" work, i am very aware of that. Yet, we cannot call them "socialist", because socialism is a utopia, which none of them have reached.
And what you have explained is really what today is called as a "communist" system (we can't really call it communist, because communism is a utopia just like socialism). As i hope you know, "socialist" party's have nowadays a politic that is very similar to the one that socialdemokrats had 70 years ago.
They have nowadays embraced the liberal democracy, they accept the fact that capitalism can't be abolished over night and they also know that the economy cannot be centralized.
Ah, I see. IF a nation follows socialist ideology AND is able to maintain a (very small) degree of prosperity, then they're socialist. IF, however, those ideologies are followed outside of the (tiny) sweet-spot in which they can (marginally) work, and the nation naturally falls into totalitarianism, THEN they're "fascist", a catch-all for everything you don't like, uniting examples of very different types of government, allowing you to totally ignore evidence against your world-view
What are commonly referred to as "communist", or "Marxist" ideologies are authoritarian/totalitarian because hats what Marx thought would be necessary to completly abolish capitalism, and once it was abolished one could start building the perfect society (communism).
What nowadays is commonly referred to a "socialist" ideology has, acknowledged that Marx was in part wrong , and that the authoritarian/totalitarian way does not work.
Ah, I see. IF a nation follows socialist ideology AND is able to maintain a (very small) degree of prosperity, then they're socialist. IF, however, those ideologies are followed outside of the (tiny) sweet-spot in which they can (marginally) work, and the nation naturally falls into totalitarianism, THEN they're "fascist", a catch-all for everything you don't like, uniting examples of very different types of government, allowing you to totally ignore evidence against your world-view
Actually there was a film for 1984 that came out in 1984, It had John Hurt in it, it was really cool. But your right the original book came out in 1948 (84, 48 get it).
Really? I was under the impression that the reason for the title was because he started writing it in 1948, not because he intended it to come out in that year.
Two notable things about that underrated film -- it was Richard Burton's last movie (for the screen; he was on TV afterwards) and he's effing brilliant, and the film was shot in the same locales and AT THE SAME TIME as the action in the book. Very very good film.
1984 is no longer fiction. it's real and it's here today. CCTV everywhere, Britian turning into a new American state, Elimination of personnel identity. A book written in 1948 has predicted the future so well it frightens me.
I wish the original version was in sync, then that would be my favourite. Still, the product placement is tolerable in the face of such a marvellous production. The Futurama version in "Future Stock" is awesome too.
Gratuitous negative comment about specific choice in your operating system! Gratuitous positive and often mindless comment about suggested choice of operating system!
Also: Gratuitous comment involving ignorance to full description of video and noting presence of popular digital media player prior to its existence!
You speak like a windows user. Linux is far more advanced. Don't dis it. When I see proprietary software that even comes close to my free software, I may agree, but right now you are so far off it isn't funny. Heck, windows doesn't even have a package manager!
so you don't have to go through Hell to install a simple program.. No searching for a download, giving you an installation program, giving you a wizard, which eventually installs your program.
now i've only used linux for a grand total of like an hour in my whole life, but from what i remember (in ubuntu and redhat), it was hard for me to install things. i'm sure it's cause i didn't know, but i was really confused o_o
i eventually got some things to install, but i had NO idea what i did o_o
I love this video. I think I've still got it on my IIci O.O I think alot of people are approaching the OS competition from the wrong perspective. Mac is wonderful for multimedia and games, Windows is nice for business (albeit the major security problems hinder it's capabilities as such), and UNIX/Linux is great for both purposes, and has better security than the other two. No one OS is really better, it just depends on what you want.
HE WHO STRIKETH DOWN THAT GREAT SHINING PILLAR OF TECHNOLOGY, THE MAC, SHALL SUFFERETH THINE BURNING LAVA AND ASH OF THE BEASTS LAIR IN HELL, AND DIE A THOUSAND TIMES OVER OF TEN SCORE DEMONS TEARING THINE FLESH INTO TINY LITTLE PIECES. amen.
Grrr I hate fuckwit macs grrr Icant say anything smart so i'll say fuck grrr. What an idiot I am so sick of these PMS PC nerds that have making fun of macs for years and now that its happining to them they just cant take it so the say stuff like "fuckwit" holy crap get a thesaurus Jackass.
ah! This looks like a case of postmodification. Which is ironically what 1984 is all about! So, we must conclude, that 1984 is here iwth us now dictating our lives
if you check out the girl house throwing, you'll see a premonition of an Ipod on her hips.. thats 1984.. See Apple designed it way back just didnt have sufficient technology
if you check out the girl house throwing, you'll see a premonition of an Ipod on her hips.. thats 1984.. See Apple designed it way back just didnt have sufficient technology
That's to funny, to think that they (the company, QuietAgent) was going to pay $2.5 million, for that ad. To bad, that would have been great to see, Ooo well.
* a Macintosh, sorry
virgile92100 3 weeks ago
The woman is wearing a t-shirt with an Macintosh photo. It isn't an ipod ...
virgile92100 3 weeks ago
Someone should interview the actors and advertisers of that commercial, in consideration of Steve Jobs' passing
golfguy214 1 month ago
All you people calling out the iPod aren't able to read the description of the video or what?
stschil 1 month ago
"Didjya hear Apple had two deaths in two days?" "Really?" "Yeh, Steve Jobs and the new iPhone!" ba dum dum
campjer 3 months ago
does she has iPod with her self?
ehsanschannel 5 months ago
Planet express.
TheDonwea1 5 months ago
Esa chica desde ese tiempo ya escuchaba música en su ipod!!!! jejeje
rolandodmf 6 months ago
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Check the comments on my channel about the Pre-January 8th version of Inception.
jamestargetedindiv 6 months ago
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NYCON360 7 months ago
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NYCON360 7 months ago
This is Double Plus Good
HateFilledLies 7 months ago
Hey! I was watching that!
Kartoonkid95 9 months ago
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Big Brother is watching you. Apple censorship at full force; bans magazines and articles about rivals.
1984 in 2010. electronista: "Apple bars Danish Android magazine from App Store"
mtornsten 1 year ago
haha gay pride apple logo at the end
kikeVidz 1 year ago
Is it me or does she have an ipod?!
1981chrismartin 1 year ago
futurama took the mick out of this in the episode when the guy from the 80s takes over planet express.... i get the joke now
retardwithglasses 1 year ago
@retardwithglasses
so when you saw that ep you just thought it was a weird ad they made up?
fonziegee 1 year ago
I wonder who that voluptuous blonde is.
conewells 1 year ago
@conewells It's Steve Jobs, don't you know anything
eggplantboy7 10 months ago
@eggplantboy7 Good one.
conewells 10 months ago
TO THE IPOD: As You can see below this is not the original commercial. This is the remastered version from 2004! That's why the heroine is listening to the IPod
Kodachi123 1 year ago
Heyh ! Cool --- but what a dope ... 1984 was just a comedy.
Computers have changed the world ... to its worst ...
TheAaronmoses 1 year ago
weird that she's wearing an iPod... !?
ostensiblyclear 1 year ago
Ironic how the critics of police state are today mostly socialists, when capitalists seem to praise this book. Yet, the author of 1984 was a socialist as well...
PS. No, i don't see China and North Korea as socialist states, i see them as fascist hypocrites, just like the US, Italy and Russia. The closest thing to REAL socialism has been achieved in the Nordic countries Sweden and Norway.
lobaxx 2 years ago
If you see China and North Korea as non-socialist, you are the very paragon of doublethink. Congratulations, citizen. Doubleplusgood.
JF2100 2 years ago
The very goal of socialism is to achieve justice and equality for all. Do we have anything that remotely resembles this in china and north Korea?
No, we have a movie fanatic with luxury mansions as a leader while the population starves
lobaxx 2 years ago
There are very few ideologies surviving today that don't list justice and equality as stated goals/aims. Ideologies are most meaningfully defined operationally - HOW do they aim to achieve what they state they want to achieve? Socialism is and has always been the belief that nationalization of some or all products and services (healthcare, basic supplies distribution)serve to gradually eliminate the existence of socioeconomic class without serious economic repercussion (hasn't worked once yet)
JF2100 2 years ago
Although corruption has never been avoided when this has been tried in the past (a political upper class replaces the economic one), there's ample evidence it wouldn't work even if corruption were stamped out. With heavily decreased incentive of advancement, and little or no chance of being fired, most end up lowering the quality of their work significantly, lowering overall economic output without lowering wages or work-time. Further, vast resources are consumed by a notoriously *continued*
JF2100 2 years ago
Sorry, i ran into a reply-limit...
...inefficient bureaucracy. So, production efficiency decreases and administrative costs skyrocket.
Now, socialism is a general term for a class of ideologies. The most famous special-case socialist administrative method is the Command Economy - applied most completely in Bolshevik Communism (a class of "Utopian Socialism"). In this sort of economy, EVERYTHING is centrally controlled, and there is no currency - individuals are allotted goods and services.
JF2100 2 years ago
As an aside, I'd like to point out that George Orwell was at one time an Anarcho-Syndicalist, and was involved in the troubles in Barcelona - not directly a socialist. Anarcho-Syndicalism does believe in communal control of goods and services (in a complete way, as in a Command Economy), but NOT in any central control. Instead, that ideology believes in a sort of "rule-by-trade-union". Orwell became disenchanted in that movement after the Spanish civil war, as he did with other Utopian movements
JF2100 2 years ago
You don't have to explain how most "socialist governments" work, i am very aware of that. Yet, we cannot call them "socialist", because socialism is a utopia, which none of them have reached.
And what you have explained is really what today is called as a "communist" system (we can't really call it communist, because communism is a utopia just like socialism). As i hope you know, "socialist" party's have nowadays a politic that is very similar to the one that socialdemokrats had 70 years ago.
lobaxx 2 years ago
They have nowadays embraced the liberal democracy, they accept the fact that capitalism can't be abolished over night and they also know that the economy cannot be centralized.
lobaxx 2 years ago
@lobaxx
Best comment ever. I read the book in 1984, and loved it.
pitbullgirl65 2 years ago
@lobaxx
Ah, I see. IF a nation follows socialist ideology AND is able to maintain a (very small) degree of prosperity, then they're socialist. IF, however, those ideologies are followed outside of the (tiny) sweet-spot in which they can (marginally) work, and the nation naturally falls into totalitarianism, THEN they're "fascist", a catch-all for everything you don't like, uniting examples of very different types of government, allowing you to totally ignore evidence against your world-view
JF2100 1 year ago
@JF2100
What? Straw men are used in farms, not arguments.
What are commonly referred to as "communist", or "Marxist" ideologies are authoritarian/totalitarian because hats what Marx thought would be necessary to completly abolish capitalism, and once it was abolished one could start building the perfect society (communism).
What nowadays is commonly referred to a "socialist" ideology has, acknowledged that Marx was in part wrong , and that the authoritarian/totalitarian way does not work.
lobaxx 1 year ago
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@lobaxx
Ah, I see. IF a nation follows socialist ideology AND is able to maintain a (very small) degree of prosperity, then they're socialist. IF, however, those ideologies are followed outside of the (tiny) sweet-spot in which they can (marginally) work, and the nation naturally falls into totalitarianism, THEN they're "fascist", a catch-all for everything you don't like, uniting examples of very different types of government, allowing you to totally ignore evidence against your world-view
JF2100 1 year ago
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is she wearing an ipod at :40 ?
tawprawman 2 years ago
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tawprawman 2 years ago
funny how the ipod promoted revolution and unconformity.
when it is in fact. the other way around.
agumon12 2 years ago 2
the best part of this is she had an ipod!!!!!
brenna6721 2 years ago 2
Apple accurately predicted the freedom that the PC would bring to the masses and why the world isn't 1984 today.
JacktheSmack 2 years ago
linux gives more freedom and it's free
jmm1233 2 years ago
A great future society, only stopped by spunk like apple. Better move on to our next best hope, a Brave new World.
Eonfge 2 years ago
Loved it.
Eclectopia 2 years ago
0:41... she had a ipod!!!!!
stuntdriver007 3 years ago 23
yes!
does she¿
davidgruty 2 years ago
that's soo scaryy !!
bellababyo3 3 years ago
future conan?
anferny101 3 years ago
1984 is a book by george orwell,
its not filmed in 1984...
love that book!! <3
karen4300 3 years ago
Actually there was a film for 1984 that came out in 1984, It had John Hurt in it, it was really cool. But your right the original book came out in 1948 (84, 48 get it).
Nightshift10000 3 years ago
It was supposed to come out in 1948, but it actually did in 1949... bummer eyh?
komternogwatvan 3 years ago
Really? I was under the impression that the reason for the title was because he started writing it in 1948, not because he intended it to come out in that year.
Manonymouse 2 years ago
Two notable things about that underrated film -- it was Richard Burton's last movie (for the screen; he was on TV afterwards) and he's effing brilliant, and the film was shot in the same locales and AT THE SAME TIME as the action in the book. Very very good film.
GHLIII 3 years ago
1984 is no longer fiction. it's real and it's here today. CCTV everywhere, Britian turning into a new American state, Elimination of personnel identity. A book written in 1948 has predicted the future so well it frightens me.
musiccritick101 2 years ago 17
You know this reminds Me so much of the World We are living in today.
Nightshift10000 3 years ago 4
That outfit She's wearing looks like a Hooters outfit. AWESOME!
Nightshift10000 3 years ago 2
I wish the original version was in sync, then that would be my favourite. Still, the product placement is tolerable in the face of such a marvellous production. The Futurama version in "Future Stock" is awesome too.
AussieNerd 3 years ago
Gratuitous negative comment about specific choice in your operating system! Gratuitous positive and often mindless comment about suggested choice of operating system!
Also: Gratuitous comment involving ignorance to full description of video and noting presence of popular digital media player prior to its existence!
jouvamoufette 3 years ago 3
Such is the glory of Society.
jeanmarc87 3 years ago
lol, in 1984 the Super Bowl was played before January 24. Amazing.
thisisabadname 4 years ago
The ipod was digitally added in 2004 for its 20th anniversary showing.
yuh7siva 4 years ago
WE SHALL PREVAIL!
alyon59 4 years ago 2
dat girl got an ipod in 1984. lucky girl. lol. jk
Waddle7890 4 years ago
The ipod was digitally added in 2004 for its 20th anniversary showing.
yuh7siva 4 years ago
i no i sayed jk
Waddle7890 4 years ago 2
I Do Miss 1984
Jesusacosta3050 4 years ago 3
I miss 1984
PabloCast 4 years ago 2
oh NVM its a 2004 remake
colgatesmiley 4 years ago 2
Is that an ipod?!
colgatesmiley 4 years ago 2
ipod right
donski1000 4 years ago
omfg! i saw this commercial back in '84.
Sames4000 4 years ago
The chick is pretty hot!!!!
bstep13 4 years ago
Why does she have a iPod Video witch is clearly visible at 0:45????? Last time i checked the ipod didn't come out until the 00's
Blueridgeclassof07 4 years ago
From the description:
"directed by Ridley Scott, this is the remake version made in 2004, added the ipod to it."
WalrusMan118 4 years ago 2
mac users stop saying window users suck and vice versa. It doesn't matter what OS you use. Except for Linux, free stuff is never as good.
lp234 4 years ago
You speak like a windows user. Linux is far more advanced. Don't dis it. When I see proprietary software that even comes close to my free software, I may agree, but right now you are so far off it isn't funny. Heck, windows doesn't even have a package manager!
Goop2 4 years ago
I'm sorry.. but why do I need a package manager?
ashishdutt 4 years ago
so you don't have to go through Hell to install a simple program.. No searching for a download, giving you an installation program, giving you a wizard, which eventually installs your program.
Instead you click what you want and hit 'Install'
Goop2 4 years ago
now i've only used linux for a grand total of like an hour in my whole life, but from what i remember (in ubuntu and redhat), it was hard for me to install things. i'm sure it's cause i didn't know, but i was really confused o_o
i eventually got some things to install, but i had NO idea what i did o_o
shiryu22 3 years ago
I love this video. I think I've still got it on my IIci O.O I think alot of people are approaching the OS competition from the wrong perspective. Mac is wonderful for multimedia and games, Windows is nice for business (albeit the major security problems hinder it's capabilities as such), and UNIX/Linux is great for both purposes, and has better security than the other two. No one OS is really better, it just depends on what you want.
okitasoji75 4 years ago
no mac is better for everything.
matthewisthebest 3 years ago
anti-communist. nice.
ch1le 4 years ago
Fuck up...apple notebook sales rose 92% last month.
fordgt90 4 years ago
HE WHO STRIKETH DOWN THAT GREAT SHINING PILLAR OF TECHNOLOGY, THE MAC, SHALL SUFFERETH THINE BURNING LAVA AND ASH OF THE BEASTS LAIR IN HELL, AND DIE A THOUSAND TIMES OVER OF TEN SCORE DEMONS TEARING THINE FLESH INTO TINY LITTLE PIECES. amen.
pinkfloyd54 4 years ago
Grrr I hate fuckwit macs grrr Icant say anything smart so i'll say fuck grrr. What an idiot I am so sick of these PMS PC nerds that have making fun of macs for years and now that its happining to them they just cant take it so the say stuff like "fuckwit" holy crap get a thesaurus Jackass.
GreatDane201 4 years ago
Here's a penny. Go buy a computer that works properly, mmkay?
jhaaglund 4 years ago
Classic example of just what a bunch of arrogant, self-righteous fuckwits Mac users are.
jhaaglund 4 years ago
heh. your comment is a classic example of just what a bunch of arrogant, self-righteous fuckwits Windows users are.
Firite 4 years ago
Does that girl have an ipod? I know this sounds dumb but look carefully.
masatah 4 years ago
it said that it does in the describtion
nzthan 4 years ago
I made a double take when I saw the iPod. Heehee!
Donnie2020 4 years ago
The iPod was digitally added in sometime in 2004 i think.
badfex 5 years ago
ah! This looks like a case of postmodification. Which is ironically what 1984 is all about! So, we must conclude, that 1984 is here iwth us now dictating our lives
! YAY YAY!
Coffee12341 5 years ago
this is a re-release of the 1984 commercial that included an ipod. not the original
systemshock869 5 years ago
that ipod was aded digitally for the 20th aniversary of macintosh
gonxa 5 years ago
ENZOTAMURA (2 months ago)
if you check out the girl house throwing, you'll see a premonition of an Ipod on her hips.. thats 1984.. See Apple designed it way back just didnt have sufficient technology
ENZOTAMURA.. your a moron..
unkwnzro 5 years ago
unkwnzro your so right.... the iPod was added in!
jimfly 5 years ago
like a futurama episode
silenceisbroken 5 years ago
that ipod was added in.
Ricky156 5 years ago
OMFG! It sure looks like an iPod.
Scary.
Glopaiswe 5 years ago
that is an ipod
I think it was added after...
respectme 5 years ago
Yeah, thats what I was looking at too. Sure looks like an iPod. Hum, wonder what the thinking behind that was... scary cool.
vanillacandleberry 5 years ago
is that an ipod????
varzovia 5 years ago
IPOD? :|
illnessangel 5 years ago
wow
djwhite69 5 years ago
if you check out the girl house throwing, you'll see a premonition of an Ipod on her hips.. thats 1984.. See Apple designed it way back just didnt have sufficient technology
ENZOTAMURA 5 years ago
u must be retard like borat's brother bilo... small head
aandjelic 5 years ago
stuartstarr, lol.
That's to funny, to think that they (the company, QuietAgent) was going to pay $2.5 million, for that ad. To bad, that would have been great to see, Ooo well.
eons 6 years ago
Check out this commercial banned from the Super Bowl starring George Bush! and the ABC rejection letter:
www.quietagent.com/superbowl
stuartstarr 6 years ago