Antonio Salieri taught many soon-to-be-famous musical composers, including Beethoven and others of that generation. He was not the angry, jealous man portrayed in the movie Amadeus. Indeed, he and Mozart collaborated at times and each performed music by the other with great gusto. This piece is indeed both charming and rather fine piece of writing, especially since it is outside Salieri's usual realm of music.
@baaboy83 How the hell can you hear beethoven in this, when salieri was in a the classical era and beethoven romantic? okay they where alive at the same time but seriously if anything it would have been sallieri in beethoven's music-it's just chronologically wronge!
Motzart is the best composer, hands down. No one will ever be able to out-shine him. I may not like Salieri as a person, but this is a pretty beautiful piece of music. It's a lot more easy to digest and normal than Motzart's, though.
@snoopdogg111000 NO!!! You have to distinguish between reality and the fiction of the Amadeus movie. It's just a MOVIE, a FICTION! Salieri was a great composer, Franz Schubert, Ludwig van Beethoven and Ferenz Liszt were his pupils, Mozart was inspired by his music (compare Salieri's La fiera di Venezia with Don Giovanni). Salieri's music just faded off the fashion, like Bach's music before. It doesn't mean that Salieri or Bach were bad composers!
I don't think that statement is true - Beethoven was recognised as the great genius after the turn of the century though I agree that Salieri commanded some respect. While I see no merit in this piano concerto - I have since listended to some of his requiem, which I found quite reasonable.
It is interesting to listen to the work of forgotten composers - I must admit. Though it is also easy to see why they are forgotten. I think that Michael Haydn was a better composer and he is rarely heard.
@LPCLASSICAL I sympathise but surely, after all these exchanges you MUST have twigged what happens here. There is no point in trying to talk sense because a lot of youtubers have no hesitation in making it up as they go along. I like your channel.
I can't believe I just listened to the whole first mvt. Not only is there not one decent idea in this concerto - there is no unity between the intoduction, exposition and development (what there is of it). The recapitulation and cadenza seems to pop out of nowehere as there is zero musical direction and the structure is weak. It all sounds like Salieri wrote a few bars a day from his limited stock of motifs. A very poor concerto.
@LPCLASSICAL Salieri was considered as the greatest composer of his time. He composed the music of his time, not a music inovente, but the music at the height of the court of the Emperor of Austria. This concerto is perhaps not of great virtuosity, but it is purely classical. This music seeks perfection, construction, imitation of the ancient and compliance. A great performer would do wonders with such a partition, but of course, we need to get some height to understand these notes.
@Chateaubriand26 Haydn did not consider him so. He told Mozart's father that "your son is the greatest composer known to me" he was including Bach in that estimation. Well sir - I disgaree with you - and if what you say is true why have the world's great performers, composers and the public ignored Salieri's so called music? I challenge you to find me one quote of a great composer who found Salier's music worth anything at all.
@LPCLASSICAL Haydn was Salieri's friend, he saw Mozart's genius, but nevertheless it was Salieri, not Haydn neither Mozart, who was THE musical authority in this major artistic city in that time (1780-1820).
He taught composition to the greatest personalities of XIX century ; Liszt, Beethoven, Hummel, Schubert, ect.
A lot of things have changed ; never forget that wen they talked about the great Bach in the XVIIIth, people meant Johann Christian, not Johann Sebastian Bach !
I would also like to add that from that era - there are far greater composers than Salieri who are still not remotely in Mozart's league - Cimarosa, CPE Bach for example - their music is remembered and played at least. Were it not for Amadeus - none of Salieri's music would be have been recorded.
It is funny, but if you, like I, are of the opinion that Mozart is probably the most overrated composer in the history of mankind, you get treated like a holocaust denier! Mozart is an example that nothing, absolutely NOTHING succeeds like mediocrity! His compositions are juvenile to the point of pain! He never grew out of his diapers, and neither did his music!
@all trolls on youtube... the day that you can compose music to any degree even close to this you may talk smack but until that day shut up and keep your rude comments to yourself.
What is that hissing crap btw. It feels like Salieri's spirit was tugging at the wires while you recorded this - perhaps angry that his composition is so mediocre.
@ProphetWolf Have you met me?? NO! So, why do you insult me? I NEVER SAYD that one has to be innovative to be a genious. I hate people that puts his own words in my mouth. Grow up. Learn something.
@pjps2 Palestrina was the greatest composer known to man, bar none. Of the composers that you mentioned, only Bach is worthy of being in the same sentence!
Gee, you're the one who mentioned Liszt, Beethoven and Chopin. They were so inspired by Mozart that they (beautifully) plagiarized his music, it's all out there in the litterature, check it out
Plagiarized? Okay then. Enjoy your alternate universe. Sure, they respected him but they never said they were "mediocre compared to" him. And I suppose next you are going to tell me that Mozart created the 7 modes and the major, natural minor, harmonic minor, and melodic minor scales? I am done arguing with you. This is getting absurd.
@lakmir0 OK, language barrier here. I should have said quotation, since it was attributed. It is a perfectly legitimate way to compose. It is often done in honor of an admired workr. Liszt did not hide at all that he used Mozart's themes in the "Reminiscences." So did Brahms in his "Variations on a Theme by Haydn."
Saint-Saens a "less respected composer"? Gee, that's news to me. He is widely credited as being the only one who may have been as naturally gifted as Mozart (barring perhaps Enescu). I am not the one who is close minded here. Drop your Mozart prejudice and pay attention to the music, it's worth it.
I appealed to authority and you refer to a "poll" ? Who was in the sample? Lady Gaga's fans? Come on now, let's be serious. You are right that I may have misspoken calling "everyone" mediocre. That is indeed undeserved by the likes of Beethoven. But Mozart overrated? Tink some more about that and explore his music. Did you ever pay attenton to the clarinet quintet? The violin sonatas? All the string quartets and quintets?
You said Mozart was overrated. That's a stupid and ignorant comment. You said he was far too conservative. I laugh at such a statement. You mentioned others that you believe are more worthy, I referred their own opinions. Laugh all you want, calling mozart overrated is enough to demonstrate how much you overrate your own judgment.
So since Mozart wrote the Requiem, he deserves the place of praise? Out of over 200 hours of music and he hits a few good ones now and again so what? When you consider percentage of works that most would consider noteworthy, Mozart has far fewer than say Beethoven and definetely less than Bach who wrote practically everything great. Mozart is fluff with a few great thrown in. I admit, Requiem, Sonata in C Minor and Piano Concerto 20 are awesome. Many others are useless & forgettabl
@lakmir0 Really? So each and every contrapucntum of the "Art of Fugue" is equally inspired and "great" as the chaconne?
You'll gladly sit through every motet and chorale he composed out of necessity and call it equally great as the wonderful concerti? A stretch. I think you need to delve deeper in Mozart's music and that you're the one perhaps lacking open mindedness and critical thinking. Forgettable is relative. Bach's music was almost entirely forgotten until Mendelssohn rediscvered it.
I dont care if people forgot Bachs music back then. Why spout idiotic Jeopardy style knowledge to look intelligent? I am talking about now. Bach has inspired many in the common era. The works of Bach and Vivaldi always single handedly were responsible for inspiring the Neo-classical genre pioneered by Uli John Roth, Yngwie J. Malmsteen, and others. Who has Mozart inspired recently?
@lakmir0 Who who has Mozart inspired recently? Everyone who knows about Classical music. Every orchestral musician and composer alive. Only millions of people, that's all. You're talking out of your ass and your comments should be labeled as spam.
So now you speak for every musician and composer alive? Sounds like a logical fallacy to me. Just like "1 million Elvis fans cant be wrong!" LOL Funny enough is that Mozart was a fruad anyway. Do some research on Andrea Luchesi and you'll find out who really wrote the pieces you love so much. Have a good day.
@lakmir0 Actually Mozart wrote 6 great operas - Beethoven wrote 1. Beethoven wrote 3 great piano concertos - Mozart wrote at least 10 - Beethoven wrote half a dozen great symphonies - so did Mozart - in quartets they are equal - in string quintets Mozart has 6 Beethoven has 0 - in Masses they are equal - Mozart has 2 immortal piano quartets Beethoven has 0. Beethoven hardly touched many fields mastered and dominated by Mozart - wind music, serenades, divertimenti.
@LPCLASSICAL Beethoven has a string quintet and a piano quartet (though not an immortal one, but mozarts are MEH to me). Wind Music = John Mackey is catching up, and i have not heard of those other two genres
@ShamrockKitty I just don't find anything special and unique in Salieri's music. Yes it is pleasant enough. It has not stood the test of time though. Someone once said to me that a lot of music is obscure for good reason.
At any rate - none of the great conductors/performers/composers of the last 200 years bothered with it. But if you ike it - good for you!
No matter your "proof" I still find Beethoven superior. So do many others! Does Mozart have any piece where 4 notes have been so memorable an recognizable as the first four notes of Beethoven's 5th allegro con brio? Stop hating on LvB. If you prefer WaM, that's cool. But dont dare think yours is a universal opinion.
@lakmir0 It is not a proof - I am merely rebutting the proposition that Beethoven is greater because he has more great pieces - that is disproven. I did not say that WAM is greater. I also admire Beethoven and love many of his pieces. I also acknowledge that many classical listeners find nothing at all in Mozart - hence the opinions expressed on this page in favour of Salieri. But these opinions are not shared by the world's great composers, conductors, performers.
I will add that, instinctively, my natural preference goes to Beethoven, whose music used to soothe and captivate me as a kid, to my mom's amazement (I have no recollection myself). However, some would say that the expressive power you laud was overdone and tiring. Whatever. For any learned musician, Mozart's genius is not a matter of debate, try to start one if you want. I know that his requiem is more moving than anything else I've ever heard, even Bach's passacaglia and fugue in c minor.
One last point...how can you speak for "any learned musician?" I am a learned musician, thank you very much. I dont need you to speak for me or my peers. We are free to have our own opinions, influences, and choice of repertoire which suits us. Seems to me you would be glad that people even appreciate any of these greats in this age of image and sub-par "musicians" such as gaga, lil wayne, etc. I happen to admire less respected composers like Saint-Saens, Mendellsohn as well...
Truth is, Chopin admired Mozart, so did Liszt, so did Hummel, who pretty much invented the piano technique that they perfected. Beethoven shared their feelings. These are the opinions the musical world cares about. Mozart created music as easily as he breathed, voices and orchestra together, he would build a whole score in his head and write it down as an aside, perfect on first write. You may not like his music, you can still show respect, as I do for Salieri. Overrated? My a**
I said Mozart was talented ...what's your point? But that still doesnt make others mediocre compared to him. Nor does it make him less overrated. Overrated means being exalted beyond what youre deserving of. Therefore, I think that people like you saying he made everyone else mediocre is more praise than he deserves and thus overrated. No one deserves to be rated so highly. And I laugh at how a 45 year old as yourself can quote other people like you have no mind of your own.
You use the logical fallacy of "appeal to authority" as though I should care what Gounod's opinion is worth more than toilet paper to me. Talk about a B-rate composer and you use him to prove a point. What is a musical "
blemish" anyway that one would recognize? You speak as though there is some way that music must be written when no such rules exist other than in your own small mind.
@lakmir0 the kogical fallacy is yours. You're the one talking about being too conservative, as oif there was a rule about not being so. You may think Gounod is B rate. What rate are you? There is such a thing as competence. Gounod showed some level of it, what did you show? What rules are you appealing to in order to assert that Mozart is "overrated"? What rating is that? Yours? Please publish it so as to enlighten the rest of the World
Music is subjective, I agree to that. But all the more reason for you to get off of Mozart's stick because it's only an opinion. Regardless of who said they think Mozart is god, it doesnt make it true. You speak like you represent the world but I have seen polls that list Beethoven as the greatest composer ever. I have also seen some that say Mozart is. But dont fool yourself into thinking yours is a universal opinion or fact.
Mozart is no more overrated than Bach if that's how you judge it. Bach finalized the baroque music and brought it to its finest expression but did not usher the classical period. Mozart did the same with classical. His quartet in G minor is anything but conservative. There is advanced concepts in all of his chamber work and his operas lacked popular success in Vienna because they were far too advanced. Liszt' technique owes to Hummel's piano manual ,guess who taught Hummel? This is a non debate.
I'm in high school, I watched Amadeus in middle school, My high school music teacher says that salieri is a mediocre composer and that it is not good enough to be remembered. Later, I found out that he only heard salieri's music in amadeus, and he believes that the movie is a true story. I don't think my music teaher knows what he's talking about. amadeus is a story created for a play, not based on fact. And salieri's music is just as beautiful and marvoulous as any other famous composer:)
@VanyahaHeights - A lot of the Film was fictionalised, but whether he thought it or not, Salieri was no Mediocrity. If that part of the Film is true then it was only his jealousy that made him think that. As such I understand that he and Mozart actually liked and respected each other.
Nobody of you lived in the XVIII century, so you can't be so sure about what's true or not! Please stop discussing and affirming, Mozart was great and Salieri was. Both were by far better than Lady Gaga and co.
This piece is not bad at all, but neither enough powerful compared to the greater composers' works, which leads me to say it is no wonder his name did not get as praised as the others.
This piece is not bad at all, but neither enough powerful compared to the greater composers' works, which leads me to say it is no wonder his name did not get as praised as the others.
Dont worry about the movie "Amadeus" and all the people who aparently dont know how to read a book or try to look for evidence before write stupid comments on youtube. The movie will not be a fashion a couple of years later, and salieri genius will last forever.
No se preocupen por la película "Amadeus" y todas las personas que Aparentemente no saben cómo leer un libro o tratar de buscar pruebas antes de escribir comentarios estúpidos en youtube. La película no será una moda años mas tarde, pero el genio Salieri va a durar para siempre.
@MrAdriandipsf Dude , the movie was great , and compared to mozart he was indeed mediocre. But anyway , thats not the point of the movie ,so you people gotta stop making fanclubs and hateclubs everywhere you go.
@Gestobando That's underhanded. Everybody is mediocre compared to Mozart. The movie was well made but is full of fiction and has noting to do with the real Salieri or even the real Mozart. Salieri's students included Beethoven, Schubert and Liszt. He must have been doing someting right.
Everyone is NOT mediocre compared to Mozart. Beethoven and Bach are far more vast in their creativity and versatility than Mozart. I personally think he was the most overrated composer ever except maybe Tchaikovsky. And as far as piano ability, Mozart would never stand up to Franz Liszt. Probably couldnt even compete with Chopin for that matter.
@lakmir0 Everyone has an opinion. Have yours, how much does the musical world care? All other musicians I've met who had notions about composition have confirmed me in mine about Mozart and his extraordinary way of composing all in his head (that Beethoven adopted when having no other choice). As a young man, Mozart was believed to be the best pianist in Europe, when pianos and piano music was nothing like it became after him. Why don't you research what Chopin himself thought about Mozart?
I would guess the music world cares about my opinion about as much as yours. Mozart had talent but you were the one who said everyone was mediocre against him. No credible music scholar, player, or composer would say such nonsense. Face it, you misspoke and you should recant that opinion. And who cares HOW Mozart composed? It's what he composed that matters to people.
@lakmir0 BTW, If I misspoke, then what is called what you said? Mozart overrated? please. Why do you think that Franz Liszt felt compelled to write "Reminiscences de Don Juan"? I'll take Gounod's opinion over yours any day in matters of feats of musical composition. Here is what he said about Don Giovanni: "a work without blemish, of uninterrupted perfection." Beethoven also recognized Mozart's genius. It's your appreciation that's at fault, not Mozart's talent.
Mozart is overrated. What I mean by that is that people like you speak as though he was so great but in what way was he? He was far less technically proficient than Liszt, less expressive than Beethoven, and most of his works were far too conservative. He could have been the one to usher in the Romantic period earlier but he lacked the courage of Beethoven. Explain in what way you believe Mozart to be superior to all other composers?
no se puede ser mas mezkino...... ni mas ruinnn,ridiculo y patetico..!!,el tiempo pone atodo el mundo en su lugarrrr....si no leo la biografia de mozart, ni te conzocoo..fantasmaaa!
Why are people making random comments on how Salieri was a douche or killed Mozart... Ignorance is getting the best of you, making you think fiction is real, Amadeus is A MOVIE, it's based VERY LOOSELY on the life of both composers and I should put even more emphasis on LOOSELY
Si uno observa bien su imagen en la pintura, si tenia cara de viejo envidioso y molesto, pero no se niega tampoco el gran profesor que fue el le enseño a muchos entre ellos el mismisimo Beetohven, de todas maneras el cine siempre exagera a los "buenos" y a los "malos"...
antonio cabrón mataste a Mozart Hijo de putaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.
@christgta ¿Puedes demostrar lo que dices?, No cabe duda que Mozart era mejor compositor y es el mejor hasta la fecha pero tanto odio gratuito de tu parte no tiene sentido. La película "Amadeus" te condicionó pero aún o puedes hacer un acto de contricción y publicar aquí mismi si quieres, tu misma opinión pero cuando menos evitar el exceso de letras "a" y letras "o" se te entenderá
@RiotMoshPit It's music from the classical era it's bassed of elegance if you want "feeling" as you say, I rocomend you listen to Romantic Compossers such as Beethoven, Chopin or Ferdinand Ries
I much prefer the version by Andreas Steier played on a fortepiano. The modern concert grand has a nasty tendency to "romanticise" baroque and classical music as it does here.
There is such subtlety and humour in Salieri's work but none of the joy found in the details of Mozart. But Mozart didn't have subtle whimsy that Salieri had but never allowed to dominate. I'd invite Salieri to my house for dinner but I go out drinking with Mozart.
beauty... imagine in those days if 2 composers such as Sallieri and Mozart worked together what beauty and power would come along with it re writing musical history. Hate how the film Amadeus made Sallieri look like a satanic jealous wanna be. not saying Artists don't get jealous but yea you get it.
@nawdood I dunno, it was complicated. It wasn't so much jealousy as disgust. He wanted to like Mozart, he adored his music but he couldn't fathom why God would give such talent to someone so spoiled, childish, and obscene as Mozart. And for all he tried to support Mozart in the beginning Mozart's idle mean comments got him on Antonio's bad side...
@nawdood I dunno, it was complicated. It wasn't so much jealousy as disgust. He wanted to like Mozart, he adored his music but he couldn't fathom why God would give such talent to someone so spoiled, childish, and obscene as Mozart. And for all he tried to support Mozart in the beginning Mozart's idle mean comments got him on Antonio's bad side...
@HParker001 Amadeus is a fiction which while being a good play/movie had absolutely nothing to do with the real history, yet your comment seems to retell it if it were factual... Why would Salieri who at the time was more popular and more successful than Mozart want to be like Mozart? It's only after Mozart's death that people realized the greatness of Mozart - and by the way Salieri helped in promoting Mozart's music.
@jewelmarkess Right you are. Not sure now why I posted that, I think I was responding to someone who was discussing how he was portrayed in the film as living in jealousy, though I can't find the post I was commenting on. Ah well, I was just having a critical discussion of character in, as you say, a work of fiction, not history. Don't worry, I don't go to hollywood looking for history lessons.
@nawdood can not and must not believe in a fiction film. Forman followed a story that Puskin invented out of whole cloth, muddying the name of a great artist. -Thanks Salieri! -
sure Salieri did a greate work i can't even play the piano properly ...i can't say that his work is bad ...it's wonderful !! takes true talent to create this music ....but frankly ....i can't help thinking that Mozart is the true genius....
When I saw "Amadeus" several years back it led me to do a report on Salieri for school. As it happens, Antonio Salieri was absolutely nothing like the Machiavellian snake he appeared to be in the film. Still, I adored him in the movie and I adore him for what he truly was. I like Machiavellian characters...and machiavelli himself. I share a birthday with him and my family is Florentine.
@nawdood No need to dislike him, a lot of the movie was fictionalised. It was just based on an idea. Still a wonderful film, and to be honest after seeing it I respect Salieri for some reason.
@nawdood you have to know that in reality salieri wasn´t jealous. He was considered higher than mozart. He did not have a reason to be jealous. mozart became famous after his death. The only composer who was considered during his lifetime was beethoven. The story of this movie is only fiction. I have to know because i am from austria, vienna.
I agree. The personalities we saw in the film might not be true. Films writers usually make a 'bad person' character as a contrast to the leading role
@nawdood Amadeus is a work of fiction.Salieri was a fine musician and a great teacher, Beethoven, Schubert and Liszt were his pupils and they all admired him. As a youth he experienced poverty so he taught poor pupils for free.Salieri wasn't jealous of Mozart, but the reverse may have initially been true : young Mozart wrote to his father that in Vienna, a gang of Italians, led by Salieri was blocking music by Austrians. Mozart saw he was wrong when he got to know him. They became friends!
@nawdood Amadeus is a work of fiction. Salieri was a fine musician and a great teacher, Beethoven, Schubert and Liszt were his pupils and they all admired him. As a youth he experienced poverty so he taught poor pupils for free.
Salieri wasn't jealous of Mozart, but the reverse may have been true : young Mozart wrote to his father that in Vienna, a gang of Italians, led by Salieri was blocking music by Austrians.
Later they got on well. Salieri often promoted Mozart's music.
Amadeus portrays Salieri as being practically talentless compared to the almighty Mozart, but a piece such as this here shows that Salieri was very much a brilliant and gifted composer. Mozart's one advantage was that he had more memorable lines whereas Salieri's music served more as a backdrop. Doesn't dimish his work in the slightest though, in my opinion. Just different.
@nawdood Your pride must have been injured by the exposition of your naïvity, as evidenced by your turning into a cursing fool so quickly. Anyway, I should have realized earlier on that I'm discussing with someone unworthy of any attention.
@nawdood Do you judge a person who has long been dead - and thus cannot defend himself - by the way he was portrayed in a recent movie? That's appalling.
This concept that the only reason anyone has heard of Salieri is because of that film is rubbish, the guy was a major player in the opera scene, and while he wasn’t the musical trail blazer Mozart was, his work is still relevant due how well it optimises the classical period.
The main difference between Salieri’s and Mozart’s work is that Mozart grasped the concept and importance of a tune/melody. Not matter what work you listen to his themes are much more potent and ultimately more memorable. He also understood the important of silence better than Salieri.
It's good music but average and way too many frills. If Mozart had "edited" this piece he would've thrown out half the notes and turned it in an astounding piece just like the rest of his work. Whenever I hear some Salieri's it feels like there's too many notes there. Just..overdone. THe funny thing is, I remember in the movie there's a scene where some of Mozarts music is rejected where the emperor uses the excuse "there are too many notes"
@JuneMoris Exactly. I got to remember those very same lines, from my witnessing the play three decades ago. I didn't know much of Salieri's music then (and from what I hear here it is quite mediocre yet listenable), but I did know that I had problems enjoying the – to me – unnecessarily flamboyant and "produced" music of Mozart to begin with. So I had all ears during the rest of the play. :-)
on the contrary:the outstanding but fictional play/movie aroused interest in Salieri who would otherwise be even more more marginal...and rightly so-with the exception of some of his operatic work,it's worthy and not really inspired. He was a very fine teacher,and on all accounts a nice man.
He made good music, why did he have to murder Mozart in a jealous outburst of rage, and then he was committed to a madhouse. So sad.
patu8010 5 days ago
@patu8010 he didn't murder Mozart ;)
Marcatolegato 1 day ago
Antonio Salieri taught many soon-to-be-famous musical composers, including Beethoven and others of that generation. He was not the angry, jealous man portrayed in the movie Amadeus. Indeed, he and Mozart collaborated at times and each performed music by the other with great gusto. This piece is indeed both charming and rather fine piece of writing, especially since it is outside Salieri's usual realm of music.
engineercaseyjones 1 week ago
salieri is beethoven's soul
i can here beethoven in this concerto
baaboy83 1 week ago
@baaboy83 How the hell can you hear beethoven in this, when salieri was in a the classical era and beethoven romantic? okay they where alive at the same time but seriously if anything it would have been sallieri in beethoven's music-it's just chronologically wronge!
mozartfan14 1 week ago
@mozartfan14
listen to beethoven's 1st concerto then you'll find out
salieri was beethoven't teacher for a time
baaboy83 1 week ago
@mozartfan14
salieri was in a early classical
beethoven classical early romantic
they were close chronologically
baaboy83 1 week ago
its no good i dont like it at all mozart concertos are best at that period
skarlatospanagiotis 3 weeks ago
Motzart is the best composer, hands down. No one will ever be able to out-shine him. I may not like Salieri as a person, but this is a pretty beautiful piece of music. It's a lot more easy to digest and normal than Motzart's, though.
Evanescence1932Lover 3 weeks ago
@Evanescence1932Lover What do you know of Salieri besides from what you've seen from the movie Amadeus?
It's pretty odd that you make a character assessment here.
goingfortheone1 2 weeks ago
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Salieri was a really poor man to be born in Mozart's time....
but who can say he was a bad composer?
hjrvk 4 weeks ago
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hjrvk 4 weeks ago
what the fuck
GetTheJojDone 1 month ago
Mozart made 11 accounts to dislike this video.
kourosh89 1 month ago
@kourosh89 Well, actually Mozart didn't dislike Salieri, Salieri hated Mozart because he was better than him.
snoopdogg111000 1 month ago
@snoopdogg111000 NO!!! You have to distinguish between reality and the fiction of the Amadeus movie. It's just a MOVIE, a FICTION! Salieri was a great composer, Franz Schubert, Ludwig van Beethoven and Ferenz Liszt were his pupils, Mozart was inspired by his music (compare Salieri's La fiera di Venezia with Don Giovanni). Salieri's music just faded off the fashion, like Bach's music before. It doesn't mean that Salieri or Bach were bad composers!
Nuk1eus 4 weeks ago 4
@Nuk1eus
i agree with you
baaboy83 1 week ago
I don't think that statement is true - Beethoven was recognised as the great genius after the turn of the century though I agree that Salieri commanded some respect. While I see no merit in this piano concerto - I have since listended to some of his requiem, which I found quite reasonable.
It is interesting to listen to the work of forgotten composers - I must admit. Though it is also easy to see why they are forgotten. I think that Michael Haydn was a better composer and he is rarely heard.
LPCLASSICAL 1 month ago
@LPCLASSICAL I sympathise but surely, after all these exchanges you MUST have twigged what happens here. There is no point in trying to talk sense because a lot of youtubers have no hesitation in making it up as they go along. I like your channel.
ferocel 3 weeks ago
One of the best pieces of music ever written.
NYJets41 1 month ago
I can't believe I just listened to the whole first mvt. Not only is there not one decent idea in this concerto - there is no unity between the intoduction, exposition and development (what there is of it). The recapitulation and cadenza seems to pop out of nowehere as there is zero musical direction and the structure is weak. It all sounds like Salieri wrote a few bars a day from his limited stock of motifs. A very poor concerto.
LPCLASSICAL 1 month ago
@LPCLASSICAL quite the critique arn't you XD
NonstopRam 1 month ago
@LPCLASSICAL Salieri was considered as the greatest composer of his time. He composed the music of his time, not a music inovente, but the music at the height of the court of the Emperor of Austria. This concerto is perhaps not of great virtuosity, but it is purely classical. This music seeks perfection, construction, imitation of the ancient and compliance. A great performer would do wonders with such a partition, but of course, we need to get some height to understand these notes.
Chateaubriand26 1 month ago
@Chateaubriand26 Haydn did not consider him so. He told Mozart's father that "your son is the greatest composer known to me" he was including Bach in that estimation. Well sir - I disgaree with you - and if what you say is true why have the world's great performers, composers and the public ignored Salieri's so called music? I challenge you to find me one quote of a great composer who found Salier's music worth anything at all.
LPCLASSICAL 1 month ago
@LPCLASSICAL Haydn was Salieri's friend, he saw Mozart's genius, but nevertheless it was Salieri, not Haydn neither Mozart, who was THE musical authority in this major artistic city in that time (1780-1820).
He taught composition to the greatest personalities of XIX century ; Liszt, Beethoven, Hummel, Schubert, ect.
A lot of things have changed ; never forget that wen they talked about the great Bach in the XVIIIth, people meant Johann Christian, not Johann Sebastian Bach !
Chateaubriand26 1 month ago
I would also like to add that from that era - there are far greater composers than Salieri who are still not remotely in Mozart's league - Cimarosa, CPE Bach for example - their music is remembered and played at least. Were it not for Amadeus - none of Salieri's music would be have been recorded.
LPCLASSICAL 1 month ago
I don't understand, this is way better than Mozart. Was it because Mozart was white?
SpadaccinoLuciano 2 months ago
i think he is the best composer after liszt
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markusboyd3 2 months ago 43
Could the uploader turn off the comments? @Astardis
AngelsNeedOxygen 2 months ago
It is funny, but if you, like I, are of the opinion that Mozart is probably the most overrated composer in the history of mankind, you get treated like a holocaust denier! Mozart is an example that nothing, absolutely NOTHING succeeds like mediocrity! His compositions are juvenile to the point of pain! He never grew out of his diapers, and neither did his music!
swedeintheus 2 months ago
Why is this in any way worse than mozart? It is just as shallow and superficial! When it comes to mediocrity Wolfgang has his equal!
swedeintheus 2 months ago
i love it
MrMaxlisboa 2 months ago
@all trolls on youtube... the day that you can compose music to any degree even close to this you may talk smack but until that day shut up and keep your rude comments to yourself.
Zyezion 2 months ago
Why can't everybody just enjoy the nice tune?
Borderose 2 months ago 8
@Borderose Becuse this is the internet!
Nefus1988 2 weeks ago
@Nefus1988
That logic. I surrender to it. ^_^
Borderose 2 weeks ago
What is that hissing crap btw. It feels like Salieri's spirit was tugging at the wires while you recorded this - perhaps angry that his composition is so mediocre.
HoboSuperstar 3 months ago
salieri genious?? What about, Monteverdi, Palestrina,Pergolesi, Bach, Vivaldi, Mozart, Beethoven, Brahms, Mahler, Wagner, Puccini, Bellini, Widor, Liszt, Mahler, S-Saëns, Poulenc, ETC??? Those are genious. Salieri whote groups of notes with chords, scales, penduli, cadences. NO INNOVATION.
NO GENIOUS.
pjps2 3 months ago
@pjps2 Thank you for that remark. He was, however a decent man and composer and does not quite deserve the disparaging done to him in the movie.
pchantreau 3 months ago 2
@pjps2 Stop being a jackass. Innovation does not automatically equate to genius. If you truly appreciated music you would know that.
ProphetWolf 3 months ago
@ProphetWolf Have you met me?? NO! So, why do you insult me? I NEVER SAYD that one has to be innovative to be a genious. I hate people that puts his own words in my mouth. Grow up. Learn something.
pjps2 3 months ago
@pjps2 Thanks for mentioning Pergolesi. Had he not died young, he would have been one of the greatest composers of all time.
HoboSuperstar 3 months ago
@pjps2 Palestrina was the greatest composer known to man, bar none. Of the composers that you mentioned, only Bach is worthy of being in the same sentence!
swedeintheus 2 months ago
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pchantreau 3 months ago
Gee, you're the one who mentioned Liszt, Beethoven and Chopin. They were so inspired by Mozart that they (beautifully) plagiarized his music, it's all out there in the litterature, check it out
pchantreau 3 months ago
@pchantreau
Plagiarized? Okay then. Enjoy your alternate universe. Sure, they respected him but they never said they were "mediocre compared to" him. And I suppose next you are going to tell me that Mozart created the 7 modes and the major, natural minor, harmonic minor, and melodic minor scales? I am done arguing with you. This is getting absurd.
lakmir0 3 months ago
@lakmir0 OK, language barrier here. I should have said quotation, since it was attributed. It is a perfectly legitimate way to compose. It is often done in honor of an admired workr. Liszt did not hide at all that he used Mozart's themes in the "Reminiscences." So did Brahms in his "Variations on a Theme by Haydn."
pchantreau 3 months ago
Saint-Saens a "less respected composer"? Gee, that's news to me. He is widely credited as being the only one who may have been as naturally gifted as Mozart (barring perhaps Enescu). I am not the one who is close minded here. Drop your Mozart prejudice and pay attention to the music, it's worth it.
pchantreau 3 months ago
I appealed to authority and you refer to a "poll" ? Who was in the sample? Lady Gaga's fans? Come on now, let's be serious. You are right that I may have misspoken calling "everyone" mediocre. That is indeed undeserved by the likes of Beethoven. But Mozart overrated? Tink some more about that and explore his music. Did you ever pay attenton to the clarinet quintet? The violin sonatas? All the string quartets and quintets?
pchantreau 3 months ago
You said Mozart was overrated. That's a stupid and ignorant comment. You said he was far too conservative. I laugh at such a statement. You mentioned others that you believe are more worthy, I referred their own opinions. Laugh all you want, calling mozart overrated is enough to demonstrate how much you overrate your own judgment.
pchantreau 3 months ago
@pchantreau
So since Mozart wrote the Requiem, he deserves the place of praise? Out of over 200 hours of music and he hits a few good ones now and again so what? When you consider percentage of works that most would consider noteworthy, Mozart has far fewer than say Beethoven and definetely less than Bach who wrote practically everything great. Mozart is fluff with a few great thrown in. I admit, Requiem, Sonata in C Minor and Piano Concerto 20 are awesome. Many others are useless & forgettabl
lakmir0 3 months ago
@lakmir0 Really? So each and every contrapucntum of the "Art of Fugue" is equally inspired and "great" as the chaconne?
You'll gladly sit through every motet and chorale he composed out of necessity and call it equally great as the wonderful concerti? A stretch. I think you need to delve deeper in Mozart's music and that you're the one perhaps lacking open mindedness and critical thinking. Forgettable is relative. Bach's music was almost entirely forgotten until Mendelssohn rediscvered it.
pchantreau 3 months ago
@pchantreau
I dont care if people forgot Bachs music back then. Why spout idiotic Jeopardy style knowledge to look intelligent? I am talking about now. Bach has inspired many in the common era. The works of Bach and Vivaldi always single handedly were responsible for inspiring the Neo-classical genre pioneered by Uli John Roth, Yngwie J. Malmsteen, and others. Who has Mozart inspired recently?
lakmir0 3 months ago
@lakmir0 Who who has Mozart inspired recently? Everyone who knows about Classical music. Every orchestral musician and composer alive. Only millions of people, that's all. You're talking out of your ass and your comments should be labeled as spam.
HoboSuperstar 3 months ago
@HoboSuperstar
So now you speak for every musician and composer alive? Sounds like a logical fallacy to me. Just like "1 million Elvis fans cant be wrong!" LOL Funny enough is that Mozart was a fruad anyway. Do some research on Andrea Luchesi and you'll find out who really wrote the pieces you love so much. Have a good day.
lakmir0 3 months ago
@lakmir0 Shh... maybe he'll go away....
MultiMrsmiley 2 months ago in playlist Favorite videos
@lakmir0 Actually Mozart wrote 6 great operas - Beethoven wrote 1. Beethoven wrote 3 great piano concertos - Mozart wrote at least 10 - Beethoven wrote half a dozen great symphonies - so did Mozart - in quartets they are equal - in string quintets Mozart has 6 Beethoven has 0 - in Masses they are equal - Mozart has 2 immortal piano quartets Beethoven has 0. Beethoven hardly touched many fields mastered and dominated by Mozart - wind music, serenades, divertimenti.
LPCLASSICAL 2 months ago
@LPCLASSICAL Beethoven has a string quintet and a piano quartet (though not an immortal one, but mozarts are MEH to me). Wind Music = John Mackey is catching up, and i have not heard of those other two genres
slaytesics 2 months ago
@LPCLASSICAL We're listening to Salieri you common dandy!
ShamrockKitty 2 months ago
@ShamrockKitty I just don't find anything special and unique in Salieri's music. Yes it is pleasant enough. It has not stood the test of time though. Someone once said to me that a lot of music is obscure for good reason.
At any rate - none of the great conductors/performers/composers of the last 200 years bothered with it. But if you ike it - good for you!
LPCLASSICAL 1 month ago
@LPCLASSICAL
No matter your "proof" I still find Beethoven superior. So do many others! Does Mozart have any piece where 4 notes have been so memorable an recognizable as the first four notes of Beethoven's 5th allegro con brio? Stop hating on LvB. If you prefer WaM, that's cool. But dont dare think yours is a universal opinion.
lakmir0 1 month ago
@lakmir0 It is not a proof - I am merely rebutting the proposition that Beethoven is greater because he has more great pieces - that is disproven. I did not say that WAM is greater. I also admire Beethoven and love many of his pieces. I also acknowledge that many classical listeners find nothing at all in Mozart - hence the opinions expressed on this page in favour of Salieri. But these opinions are not shared by the world's great composers, conductors, performers.
LPCLASSICAL 1 month ago
@LPCLASSICAL yeah, because everybody knows, it's quantity that counts
Parralyzed 1 month ago
I will add that, instinctively, my natural preference goes to Beethoven, whose music used to soothe and captivate me as a kid, to my mom's amazement (I have no recollection myself). However, some would say that the expressive power you laud was overdone and tiring. Whatever. For any learned musician, Mozart's genius is not a matter of debate, try to start one if you want. I know that his requiem is more moving than anything else I've ever heard, even Bach's passacaglia and fugue in c minor.
pchantreau 3 months ago
@pchantreau
One last point...how can you speak for "any learned musician?" I am a learned musician, thank you very much. I dont need you to speak for me or my peers. We are free to have our own opinions, influences, and choice of repertoire which suits us. Seems to me you would be glad that people even appreciate any of these greats in this age of image and sub-par "musicians" such as gaga, lil wayne, etc. I happen to admire less respected composers like Saint-Saens, Mendellsohn as well...
lakmir0 3 months ago
Truth is, Chopin admired Mozart, so did Liszt, so did Hummel, who pretty much invented the piano technique that they perfected. Beethoven shared their feelings. These are the opinions the musical world cares about. Mozart created music as easily as he breathed, voices and orchestra together, he would build a whole score in his head and write it down as an aside, perfect on first write. You may not like his music, you can still show respect, as I do for Salieri. Overrated? My a**
pchantreau 3 months ago
@pchantreau
I said Mozart was talented ...what's your point? But that still doesnt make others mediocre compared to him. Nor does it make him less overrated. Overrated means being exalted beyond what youre deserving of. Therefore, I think that people like you saying he made everyone else mediocre is more praise than he deserves and thus overrated. No one deserves to be rated so highly. And I laugh at how a 45 year old as yourself can quote other people like you have no mind of your own.
lakmir0 3 months ago
You use the logical fallacy of "appeal to authority" as though I should care what Gounod's opinion is worth more than toilet paper to me. Talk about a B-rate composer and you use him to prove a point. What is a musical "
blemish" anyway that one would recognize? You speak as though there is some way that music must be written when no such rules exist other than in your own small mind.
lakmir0 3 months ago
@lakmir0 the kogical fallacy is yours. You're the one talking about being too conservative, as oif there was a rule about not being so. You may think Gounod is B rate. What rate are you? There is such a thing as competence. Gounod showed some level of it, what did you show? What rules are you appealing to in order to assert that Mozart is "overrated"? What rating is that? Yours? Please publish it so as to enlighten the rest of the World
pchantreau 3 months ago
@pchantreau
Music is subjective, I agree to that. But all the more reason for you to get off of Mozart's stick because it's only an opinion. Regardless of who said they think Mozart is god, it doesnt make it true. You speak like you represent the world but I have seen polls that list Beethoven as the greatest composer ever. I have also seen some that say Mozart is. But dont fool yourself into thinking yours is a universal opinion or fact.
lakmir0 3 months ago
Mozart is no more overrated than Bach if that's how you judge it. Bach finalized the baroque music and brought it to its finest expression but did not usher the classical period. Mozart did the same with classical. His quartet in G minor is anything but conservative. There is advanced concepts in all of his chamber work and his operas lacked popular success in Vienna because they were far too advanced. Liszt' technique owes to Hummel's piano manual ,guess who taught Hummel? This is a non debate.
pchantreau 3 months ago
I'm in high school, I watched Amadeus in middle school, My high school music teacher says that salieri is a mediocre composer and that it is not good enough to be remembered. Later, I found out that he only heard salieri's music in amadeus, and he believes that the movie is a true story. I don't think my music teaher knows what he's talking about. amadeus is a story created for a play, not based on fact. And salieri's music is just as beautiful and marvoulous as any other famous composer:)
GuqinZheng 3 months ago 2
@GuqinZheng I agree with everything except that last bit. Come on.
benroo89 3 months ago
@GuqinZheng the hole movie was about a rumor of Salieri poisoning Mozart.
hipepleful 1 month ago
Salieri deserves the respect just like Mozart. Only very few can compose music at this level.
VanyahaHeights 3 months ago
@VanyahaHeights - A lot of the Film was fictionalised, but whether he thought it or not, Salieri was no Mediocrity. If that part of the Film is true then it was only his jealousy that made him think that. As such I understand that he and Mozart actually liked and respected each other.
soeffingwhat 3 months ago
Nobody of you lived in the XVIII century, so you can't be so sure about what's true or not! Please stop discussing and affirming, Mozart was great and Salieri was. Both were by far better than Lady Gaga and co.
robertpeter1991 4 months ago 3
This piece is not bad at all, but neither enough powerful compared to the greater composers' works, which leads me to say it is no wonder his name did not get as praised as the others.
hunocsi 4 months ago
This piece is not bad at all, but neither enough powerful compared to the greater composers' works, which leads me to say it is no wonder his name did not get as praised as the others.
hunocsi 4 months ago
Good stuff. Salieri needs to be performed more.
unparchedbutter 4 months ago
damn....they had distorion back then....those distorted edits are dope....salieri paved the way for Justice and wolfgang gartner!
spontaneous09 4 months ago
Salieri didn't kill Mozart... Mozart died of what appears to be rheumatism fever.
Furthermore, if the movie was true, how could Salieri wind up as Beethoven's teacher??
lostprophets123 4 months ago
I feel Salieri's feelings T_T
madara435 4 months ago
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Dont worry about the movie "Amadeus" and all the people who aparently dont know how to read a book or try to look for evidence before write stupid comments on youtube. The movie will not be a fashion a couple of years later, and salieri genius will last forever.
MrAdriandipsf 4 months ago 4
No se preocupen por la película "Amadeus" y todas las personas que Aparentemente no saben cómo leer un libro o tratar de buscar pruebas antes de escribir comentarios estúpidos en youtube. La película no será una moda años mas tarde, pero el genio Salieri va a durar para siempre.
MrAdriandipsf 4 months ago 13
@MrAdriandipsf A mi me aburre realmente... El clasico es aburrido... excepto algunas cosillas (sin incluir a Beethoveen claro)
TengoUnOboe 4 months ago
@MrAdriandipsf Dude , the movie was great , and compared to mozart he was indeed mediocre. But anyway , thats not the point of the movie ,so you people gotta stop making fanclubs and hateclubs everywhere you go.
Gestobando 3 months ago
@Gestobando That's underhanded. Everybody is mediocre compared to Mozart. The movie was well made but is full of fiction and has noting to do with the real Salieri or even the real Mozart. Salieri's students included Beethoven, Schubert and Liszt. He must have been doing someting right.
pchantreau 3 months ago
@pchantreau
Everyone is NOT mediocre compared to Mozart. Beethoven and Bach are far more vast in their creativity and versatility than Mozart. I personally think he was the most overrated composer ever except maybe Tchaikovsky. And as far as piano ability, Mozart would never stand up to Franz Liszt. Probably couldnt even compete with Chopin for that matter.
lakmir0 3 months ago
@lakmir0 Everyone has an opinion. Have yours, how much does the musical world care? All other musicians I've met who had notions about composition have confirmed me in mine about Mozart and his extraordinary way of composing all in his head (that Beethoven adopted when having no other choice). As a young man, Mozart was believed to be the best pianist in Europe, when pianos and piano music was nothing like it became after him. Why don't you research what Chopin himself thought about Mozart?
pchantreau 3 months ago
@pchantreau
I would guess the music world cares about my opinion about as much as yours. Mozart had talent but you were the one who said everyone was mediocre against him. No credible music scholar, player, or composer would say such nonsense. Face it, you misspoke and you should recant that opinion. And who cares HOW Mozart composed? It's what he composed that matters to people.
lakmir0 3 months ago
@lakmir0 BTW, If I misspoke, then what is called what you said? Mozart overrated? please. Why do you think that Franz Liszt felt compelled to write "Reminiscences de Don Juan"? I'll take Gounod's opinion over yours any day in matters of feats of musical composition. Here is what he said about Don Giovanni: "a work without blemish, of uninterrupted perfection." Beethoven also recognized Mozart's genius. It's your appreciation that's at fault, not Mozart's talent.
pchantreau 3 months ago
@pchantreau
Mozart is overrated. What I mean by that is that people like you speak as though he was so great but in what way was he? He was far less technically proficient than Liszt, less expressive than Beethoven, and most of his works were far too conservative. He could have been the one to usher in the Romantic period earlier but he lacked the courage of Beethoven. Explain in what way you believe Mozart to be superior to all other composers?
lakmir0 3 months ago
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MrAdriandipsf 4 months ago
no se puede ser mas mezkino...... ni mas ruinnn,ridiculo y patetico..!!,el tiempo pone atodo el mundo en su lugarrrr....si no leo la biografia de mozart, ni te conzocoo..fantasmaaa!
27jennilo 4 months ago
Why are people making random comments on how Salieri was a douche or killed Mozart... Ignorance is getting the best of you, making you think fiction is real, Amadeus is A MOVIE, it's based VERY LOOSELY on the life of both composers and I should put even more emphasis on LOOSELY
ricardinho101 4 months ago
@ricardinho101 Even long dead composers aren't safe from trolls...
HParker001 4 months ago 15
Si uno observa bien su imagen en la pintura, si tenia cara de viejo envidioso y molesto, pero no se niega tampoco el gran profesor que fue el le enseño a muchos entre ellos el mismisimo Beetohven, de todas maneras el cine siempre exagera a los "buenos" y a los "malos"...
ARGENTINOROCA 4 months ago
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MrJhonvick 4 months ago
How do we know that Salieri did not murder Mozart?
ivanoschen 4 months ago
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christgta 4 months ago
@christgta Es una pelicula !
Muuniqe 4 months ago
@christgta ¿Puedes demostrar lo que dices?, No cabe duda que Mozart era mejor compositor y es el mejor hasta la fecha pero tanto odio gratuito de tu parte no tiene sentido. La película "Amadeus" te condicionó pero aún o puedes hacer un acto de contricción y publicar aquí mismi si quieres, tu misma opinión pero cuando menos evitar el exceso de letras "a" y letras "o" se te entenderá
Nicochau1 4 months ago
@christgta Sos un ignorante.
096dragonballz 4 months ago
Seems like the Amadeus movie only stirred up confusion. Read up on your history folks!
oskenso 4 months ago
I prefer antonio salieri he has wondrful work
bestmountains 4 months ago
murderer (?)
ivanoschen 4 months ago
This is crap. Has no feeling. Just a bunch of scales.
RiotMoshPit 4 months ago
@RiotMoshPit It's music from the classical era it's bassed of elegance if you want "feeling" as you say, I rocomend you listen to Romantic Compossers such as Beethoven, Chopin or Ferdinand Ries
HorrorRockGB 3 months ago
I much prefer the version by Andreas Steier played on a fortepiano. The modern concert grand has a nasty tendency to "romanticise" baroque and classical music as it does here.
95tupolev 5 months ago
yo a ti te odio
maria64025 5 months ago
There is such subtlety and humour in Salieri's work but none of the joy found in the details of Mozart. But Mozart didn't have subtle whimsy that Salieri had but never allowed to dominate. I'd invite Salieri to my house for dinner but I go out drinking with Mozart.
dangoat2009 5 months ago
One hears such sounds, and what can one say but... "Salieri."
DarthSicarius 5 months ago 2
beauty... imagine in those days if 2 composers such as Sallieri and Mozart worked together what beauty and power would come along with it re writing musical history. Hate how the film Amadeus made Sallieri look like a satanic jealous wanna be. not saying Artists don't get jealous but yea you get it.
Paintinprettypicture 5 months ago
salieri is a great teacher.... he taught some of the great romanic composers... he is also a great composer and so is mozart
mastermusic99 5 months ago
@nawdood I dunno, it was complicated. It wasn't so much jealousy as disgust. He wanted to like Mozart, he adored his music but he couldn't fathom why God would give such talent to someone so spoiled, childish, and obscene as Mozart. And for all he tried to support Mozart in the beginning Mozart's idle mean comments got him on Antonio's bad side...
HParker001 5 months ago
@nawdood I dunno, it was complicated. It wasn't so much jealousy as disgust. He wanted to like Mozart, he adored his music but he couldn't fathom why God would give such talent to someone so spoiled, childish, and obscene as Mozart. And for all he tried to support Mozart in the beginning Mozart's idle mean comments got him on Antonio's bad side...
HParker001 5 months ago
@HParker001 Amadeus is a fiction which while being a good play/movie had absolutely nothing to do with the real history, yet your comment seems to retell it if it were factual... Why would Salieri who at the time was more popular and more successful than Mozart want to be like Mozart? It's only after Mozart's death that people realized the greatness of Mozart - and by the way Salieri helped in promoting Mozart's music.
jewelmarkess 4 months ago
@jewelmarkess Right you are. Not sure now why I posted that, I think I was responding to someone who was discussing how he was portrayed in the film as living in jealousy, though I can't find the post I was commenting on. Ah well, I was just having a critical discussion of character in, as you say, a work of fiction, not history. Don't worry, I don't go to hollywood looking for history lessons.
HParker001 4 months ago
Beautiful... I love Mozart's work, and while this may not be as complex or enduring it still deserves a better reputation in this age.
HParker001 5 months ago
Hardly a "mediocrity".
StuffedDeer 5 months ago
poor Salieri everyone's always comparing him to Mozart
AnonLegionQuake 5 months ago
@nawdood can not and must not believe in a fiction film. Forman followed a story that Puskin invented out of whole cloth, muddying the name of a great artist. -Thanks Salieri! -
lambertsky 5 months ago
Happy Birthday, Salieri!
HerrMozartsMusic 5 months ago 2
Fuck this dude! Wolfy<3<3
SpreadP3aceAndLuv 5 months ago
sure Salieri did a greate work i can't even play the piano properly ...i can't say that his work is bad ...it's wonderful !! takes true talent to create this music ....but frankly ....i can't help thinking that Mozart is the true genius....
maywora 6 months ago
I have always enjoyed Salieri 's work and I prefer it to Mozart's work. Thanks for the upload.
MrSilvestris 6 months ago
His work is awesome
xXxMySweetChannelxXx 6 months ago
When I saw "Amadeus" several years back it led me to do a report on Salieri for school. As it happens, Antonio Salieri was absolutely nothing like the Machiavellian snake he appeared to be in the film. Still, I adored him in the movie and I adore him for what he truly was. I like Machiavellian characters...and machiavelli himself. I share a birthday with him and my family is Florentine.
Irishborne 6 months ago
It was after watching "Amadeus" [where Peter Shaffer used a lot of creative licence] that I got interested in Salieri's work.
vanhunks 6 months ago
@nawdood No need to dislike him, a lot of the movie was fictionalised. It was just based on an idea. Still a wonderful film, and to be honest after seeing it I respect Salieri for some reason.
BlackMagnumFilms 6 months ago
@BlackMagnumFilms Well, after having watched the play, I got interested in Salieri. Because I also think Mozart's music is "too many notes".
Pull63cat 6 months ago
How many people are here for a reason other than having seen Amadeus?
Pissankle 6 months ago 25
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@Pissankle never saw the movie
BasileusR 6 months ago
@Pissankle Me :-)
JohnnyOttosson85 4 months ago
@Pissankle I haven´t seen it
Medicosdelflow 4 months ago
@Pissankle what’s Amadeus???
hipepleful 3 months ago
@hipepleful aparently some fictionary film from 1984 that talk about the rivality of Antonio Salieri and Wong Amadeus Mozarta or so.
estesoyojajaja 3 months ago
@Pissankle seen what?
estesoyojajaja 3 months ago
@Pissankle I'm here because of The Big Bang Theory
PissGegenDenWind 3 months ago
@PissGegenDenWind the tv show? and what episode was it?
hipepleful 1 month ago
@hipepleful I think it was The Jerusalem Duality:
Sheldon Cooper: Today I went from being Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart to... you know, that other guy.
Howard Wolowitz: Antonio Salieri?
Sheldon Cooper: Oh, God! Now even you're smarter than me
Howard Wolowitz: You know, Sheldon, you don't have so many friends that you can afford to start insulting them.
PissGegenDenWind 1 month ago
@PissGegenDenWind lol
hipepleful 1 month ago
@Pissankle Me! I'm italian and I think that Salieri was wrongly forgotten!
TheGreatMaster77 3 months ago
@nawdood you have to know that in reality salieri wasn´t jealous. He was considered higher than mozart. He did not have a reason to be jealous. mozart became famous after his death. The only composer who was considered during his lifetime was beethoven. The story of this movie is only fiction. I have to know because i am from austria, vienna.
joklbeatrice1 6 months ago
Please, do not fight about who's better or if Salieri had envy on Mozart, just enjoy their music.
JOELALVARADO95 6 months ago 3
@nawdood the movie was awesome but had nothing to do with reality
kokomanation 7 months ago
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That's not so bad.
Danithel 7 months ago
I agree. The personalities we saw in the film might not be true. Films writers usually make a 'bad person' character as a contrast to the leading role
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april0926 7 months ago
@nawdood Amadeus is a work of fiction.Salieri was a fine musician and a great teacher, Beethoven, Schubert and Liszt were his pupils and they all admired him. As a youth he experienced poverty so he taught poor pupils for free.Salieri wasn't jealous of Mozart, but the reverse may have initially been true : young Mozart wrote to his father that in Vienna, a gang of Italians, led by Salieri was blocking music by Austrians. Mozart saw he was wrong when he got to know him. They became friends!
francompiano 7 months ago
@nawdood Amadeus is a work of fiction. Salieri was a fine musician and a great teacher, Beethoven, Schubert and Liszt were his pupils and they all admired him. As a youth he experienced poverty so he taught poor pupils for free.
Salieri wasn't jealous of Mozart, but the reverse may have been true : young Mozart wrote to his father that in Vienna, a gang of Italians, led by Salieri was blocking music by Austrians.
Later they got on well. Salieri often promoted Mozart's music.
francompiano 7 months ago
Amadeus portrays Salieri as being practically talentless compared to the almighty Mozart, but a piece such as this here shows that Salieri was very much a brilliant and gifted composer. Mozart's one advantage was that he had more memorable lines whereas Salieri's music served more as a backdrop. Doesn't dimish his work in the slightest though, in my opinion. Just different.
LedWhisky69 7 months ago
@nawdood
Idk dude you seem kind of annoyed.
WSWarthog 7 months ago
@nawdood
Why are you so mad?
WSWarthog 7 months ago
His birthday is on the same day as me!
Hah!
Hyardacil 7 months ago
I've just readed a magazine of movies mistakes, and there you can read that in the, truth mozart was exctly jelous of salieri... (trust)
Manodapaz123123 7 months ago
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@nawdood Your pride must have been injured by the exposition of your naïvity, as evidenced by your turning into a cursing fool so quickly. Anyway, I should have realized earlier on that I'm discussing with someone unworthy of any attention.
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sysweed 7 months ago
@nawdood In light of your response, I see that the issue was immaturity rather than ethics.
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sysweed 7 months ago
@nawdood Do you judge a person who has long been dead - and thus cannot defend himself - by the way he was portrayed in a recent movie? That's appalling.
sysweed 7 months ago
This concept that the only reason anyone has heard of Salieri is because of that film is rubbish, the guy was a major player in the opera scene, and while he wasn’t the musical trail blazer Mozart was, his work is still relevant due how well it optimises the classical period.
DCTheGuitarist 7 months ago
The main difference between Salieri’s and Mozart’s work is that Mozart grasped the concept and importance of a tune/melody. Not matter what work you listen to his themes are much more potent and ultimately more memorable. He also understood the important of silence better than Salieri.
DCTheGuitarist 7 months ago
Man the clothing they used to wear back then...awesome. Except for the stupid wig of course.
LordTyrannus 8 months ago
It's good music but average and way too many frills. If Mozart had "edited" this piece he would've thrown out half the notes and turned it in an astounding piece just like the rest of his work. Whenever I hear some Salieri's it feels like there's too many notes there. Just..overdone. THe funny thing is, I remember in the movie there's a scene where some of Mozarts music is rejected where the emperor uses the excuse "there are too many notes"
JuneMoris 8 months ago
@JuneMoris Exactly. I got to remember those very same lines, from my witnessing the play three decades ago. I didn't know much of Salieri's music then (and from what I hear here it is quite mediocre yet listenable), but I did know that I had problems enjoying the – to me – unnecessarily flamboyant and "produced" music of Mozart to begin with. So I had all ears during the rest of the play. :-)
Pull63cat 6 months ago
@nawdood The movie Amadeus was mostly fiction-- but it was a great movie! :)
neighpony12 8 months ago
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The 50 Cent remix is much better than this. You can't even dance to this.
TenWhoWereTaken 8 months ago
on the contrary:the outstanding but fictional play/movie aroused interest in Salieri who would otherwise be even more more marginal...and rightly so-with the exception of some of his operatic work,it's worthy and not really inspired. He was a very fine teacher,and on all accounts a nice man.
allegramente5000 8 months ago
Wow... I am actually surprised that some naively believe the movie to be entirely true.
s900203 8 months ago