1. Is Intelligent Design Viable?: Francisco J. Ayala opens

[parasitesarefunny]

It takes intelligence to build a mouse trap but not the mouse?  roflmao!

Macro Evolution FAILS the scientific method since it cannot be duplicated or predicted.

Macro Evolution is a faith based BELIEF based on time, not the scientific method. Furthermore, the faith based belief in Macro Evolution falls into 2 denominations; punctuated vs gradual believers.

[davidsfriend01]

@parasitesarefunny "It takes intelligence to build a mouse trap but not the mouse? roflmao!" If the mouse was intelligently designed we would not need a mousetrap.

[lxAgnosticxl]

@parasitesarefunny

Micro & macro evolution are the SAME thing over different time scales, biologists don't even use the words macro & micro.

[WildCatsKitten1]

@lxAgnosticxl

Macroevolution is more than repeated rounds of microevolution.

Douglas H. Erwin (2000)

The central question of the Chicago conference was whether the mechanisms underlying microevolution can be extrapolated to explain the phenomena of macroevolution. At the risk of doing violence to the positions of some of the people at the meeting, the answer can be given as a clear, No.

Roger Lewin (1980) p.88



[lxAgnosticxl]

@WildCatsKitten1

Ring species shows how micro evolution creates new species, They are the same thing. Darwin himself said complexity is produced with small successive steps (micro). Also 'Macro' evolution has been observed e.g.

In 1905, in his patch of Oenothera lamarckiana, Hugo de Vries discovered an unusual specimen, and found that he was unable to crossbreed it with its parent-plants. He later named it O. gigas, and found that it had 2N=28, while its parent had 2N=14.

[WildCatsKitten1]

@lxAgnosticxl

"Macro has been observed"

Jerry Coyne in his 2009 book why evolution is true.

"Further, we shouldn’t expect to see more than small changes in one or a few features of a species—what is known as microevolutionary change. Given the gradual pace of evolution, it’s unreasonable to expect to see selection transforming one “type” of plant or animal into another—so-called macroevolution—within a human lifetime"

[lxAgnosticxl]

@WildCatsKitten1

but I just listed an example?

and We shouldn't expect it to happen

[WildCatsKitten1]

@lxAgnosticxl

Those evolutionists dont agree otherwise they wouldn't say they disagree on the mechanisms and that it cannot be observed.

Even the evo site on Berkeley admits that it is inferred from secondary evidence and not observed, You are just some brat on the net who is telling me it is observed when even the evos that want to prove their faith say it cannot be observed and admit they do not agree on the mechanisms.

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[lxAgnosticxl]

@WildCatsKitten1

Yes they do! for one if you knew anything about these people Jerry Coyne debates ID theorists. I just showed an example LIE all you want! but indoing so you don't prove creationism, you njust look like a fool

[WildCatsKitten1]

@lxAgnosticxl

whats quote mining?

So what, Jerry Coyne admits it cannot be observed because he says it takes millions of years. You are probably some emo atheist kid that cuts himself.

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[WildCatsKitten1]

@lxAgnosticxl

Larry Moran, Evolutionist Biochemist Wrote.

”There is a genuine scientific controversy about whether macroevolution is just lots of microevolution or whether there are mechanisms acting at the level of macroevolution that cannot be explained by population genetics alone. As a proponent of hierarchical theory of evolution, I side with those who deny the sufficiency of microevolution as promoted in the Modern Synthesis.”

Quit relying on Youtubers like Aronra.

[lxAgnosticxl]

@WildCatsKitten1

Quit quote mining Biologists who do accept evolution!

For micro evoluton to be limited to micro , one DNA strand would need to be frozen.

and you failed to adress Ring Species which debunks your claim anyway.

Quit with the Kent Hovind Sh*t

[WildCatsKitten1]

@lxAgnosticxl

Whats Quote mining?

[WildCatsKitten1]

@lxAgnosticxl

You failed to address that evolutionists do not agree with you that it can be observed even though they desperately want to prove it, You are just a silly kid, Probably an emo atheist making dumb claims like other kids on youtube, Stop making claims that even professional evos that want to prove their faith do not make, ok?

[lxAgnosticxl]

@WildCatsKitten1

I just showed an example WTF is wrong with you? they do agree , I'm not an atheist or an emo , but your clearly a Pathetic lying piece of shit

[WildCatsKitten1]

@lxAgnosticxl

"i'm not an atheist or emo"

But you are full of shit, hahahahahahahahahaha

How specifically was Larry moran's words taken out of context?

[lxAgnosticxl]

@WildCatsKitten1

Your taking one quote to make it look like he disagrees with evolution, NO biologist does.

[WildCatsKitten1]

@lxAgnosticxl

Where specifically did I say that he disagrees with evolution?

I pointed out that he disagrees that micro=macro

So how specifically was he quote mined,?

You were just falling back on your evo crib sheet for dumbasses on what to say when you have no decent reply.

You idiot.

Now instead of falling back on your crib sheet dumb dumb, Show me how Larry Moran's words were taken out of context.

You lying Darwimp.

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[lxAgnosticxl]

@WildCatsKitten1

No they disagreed on what could be obsereved < now that is Quote mining.

But I gave 1 of tones of examples of it being observed FAIL!

You won't adress ring species which does prove micro=macro

[WildCatsKitten1]

@lxAgnosticxl

They disagreed that micro=macro and coyne said macro cannot be observed because he says it takes millions of years, he might believe from the fossil record that it occured but that is a faith based inference not one that is validated by direct observation.

Still waiting for you to show me how Larry moran thinks micro equals macro and how his words were taken out of context, You are a lying darwimp.

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[lxAgnosticxl]

@WildCatsKitten1

No its not faith (yet agian another word which you don't know the meaning to)

the fossil record shows clear gradual evolution and thats true dispite the creationist shit you get from idiots like Hovind.

I already adressed that Still waiting for you to adress ring species, and how 1 strand of DNA i magically frozen and the example I gave

[WildCatsKitten1]

@lxAgnosticxl

Larry Moran Evolutionist/Biochemist

"There is a genuine scientific controversy about whether macroevolution is just lots of microevolution or whether there are mechanisms acting at the level of macroevolution that cannot be explained by population genetics alone. As a proponent of hierarchical theory of evolution, I side with those who deny the sufficiency of microevolution as promoted in the Modern Synthesis.”

[WildCatsKitten1]

@lxAgnosticxl

Still waiting for you to show how Larry moran's words were taken out of context and how he believes micro = macro.

Come on lying Darwimp, Either admit you were lying for Darwin or show how the words are out of context.

You idiot!

[lxAgnosticxl]

@WildCatsKitten1

You really don't get evolution do you?

1)what about the example I gave

2) for it to be just micro 1 strand of DNA need be frozen

3) What about ring species.

Ignore it all you wan't , its still there.

[WildCatsKitten1]

@lxAgnosticxl

So those evos that do not agree with your example must be lying pieces of shit if your point is true, Jerry Coyne must be a lying piece of shit acording to you for saying that macro cannot be observed occuring, The evolution website at berkely must have been set up by lying dumbshits if your argument is true because they admit that it cannot be observed directly , Now if you are saying they are not lying then they must be ignorant, cont:

[WildCatsKitten1]

@lxAgnosticxl

And if they are ignorant then that is another reason not to trust them isn't it dumbshit.

So what is it youtube professor, Is jerry coyne lying because he does not agree that it can be observed or is he ignorant.

You better show me how Larry moran's words were out of context if you do not want to continue to look like a lying darwimp.

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[lxAgnosticxl]

@WildCatsKitten1

'Macro evolution' is not observed (you're not even using it with its proper use) but how could I expect better from you.

but we get to a point (speciation) where it is a new species , so we don't directly observe it. I never said they lied , you refuse to adress Ring Species yet again, YOUR A RETARD! You seem to think if you ignore the evidence hard enough somehow creationism will be true. I really don't have time for you.

[WildCatsKitten1]

@lxAgnosticxl

"We don't directly observe it."

That's because it happens in your imagination darwimp.

The only think I directly observe here is that you are a lying darwimp that made false claims.

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[lxAgnosticxl]

@WildCatsKitten1

Listen to the guy you quoted idiot, it take too much time. But I showed how we do DEBUNKED.

I haven't got time for you, you're a pathetic idiot

[lxAgnosticxl]

@WildCatsKitten1

Adress the points or Fuck off.

[WildCatsKitten1]

@lxAgnosticxl

Why did you lie about Larry Moran.

You are telling me that these evolutionsts are ignorant when they say that the kind of evolution you believe in cannot be observed or that they are lying.

That hardly gives you any grounding to say we should trust what they say then does it Darwimp.

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" I haven't got time for you"

You mean you haven't got time for me humilating you darwimp.

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[WildCatsKitten1]

@lxAgnosticxl

Why do you think that Jeery Coyne is ignorant about evolution?

if he is ignorant then isn't that even more reason to doubt his evo arguments?

When Dawkins says "evolution has been observed it just hasn't been observed while its happening" then that seems that he means evolution in the vertical sense and not minor changes that you extrapolate from horizontal changes within an organism.

Con't

[WildCatsKitten1]

@lxAgnosticxl

So either a die hard Darwimp like Dawkins is lying and trying to show how his faith does not occur or he is ignorant about the just so stories that he preaches.

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You are funny darwimp

Tell me again how larry morans words were taken out of context and how he believes that micro=macro?

You can't can ya you lying loser.

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[lxAgnosticxl]

@WildCatsKitten1

Your just quote mining and misusing words , Total mind masturbation.

The world must be a confusing place , obviously by now you don't have an answer macroEvolution is therefore the same as micro.

Learn the words

[WildCatsKitten1]

@lxAgnosticxl

Just reasserting what you have said before is nothing more than a naked assertion, Sorry dumbshit, You can nakedly assert that you are superman, that isn't gonna make it so dumbass.

Still waiting for you to show Morans words were out of context, You keep failing, You are a lying darwimp.

[lxAgnosticxl]

@WildCatsKitten1

Its funny how you misquoting and misusing words and ignoring the evidence somehow amounts to you proving creationism , RETARD!

[WildCatsKitten1]

@lxAgnosticxl

So now you are ranting about Creationism

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Keep doing it dumb dumb, that just shows me that you failed to prove your silly evo fairytale and cannot defend it on its own merits.

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Tell me again how larry moran really believes micro= macro, that is a good one

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[lxAgnosticxl]

@WildCatsKitten1

Answer the 3 point or FUCK OFF!

[WildCatsKitten1]

@lxAgnosticxl

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Everyone that humiliates you are misusing words aren't they dumbshit.

That is your excuse.

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Now tell me darwimp, how specifically was larry morans words taken out of context and how he believes micro=macro?

You lying twat.

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[BoyJewish]

Was his outfit intelligently designed?

[ikawpipa]

atomic bombs are made by scientists.

[parasitesarefunny]

@ikawpipa

atomic bombs are made by propagandists under the cover of national security.

[7TJBarba]

I am glad I can view a debate or video without an atheist stopping the video and putting their little comments and input in.

[QuinnBook]

@7TJBarba I agree. It's hard not to think about Matthew 7:13 ("For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.") when reading the comments section of any theist related video. Some can stay intellectually sound, but the majority can only bring hate to the table.

[52blades]

Putting a philosopher up against a scientist is like letting a tiger lose on a house cat. I hope Ayala doesn't embarrass himself to much.

[RonBurgundy161]

@52blades He's also a philosopher.

[eproulx]

This starts very badly; he used the word "crusade."

[RJL738]

Thanks for this.