Does Romanism (Roman Catholic Religious Salvation System) Preach Another Gospel? Debate 2

[Remogogy]

Put simply The Roman Catholic system is a front for the kingdom of Satan.

Just as the devil put forth the deceptive false Judaism before the cross to deceive the Jews.

He (satan)created the same kind of deceptive system to imitate the Christian church.

that is the Roman catholic Church, The RCC is married to the world system of money and power.

It's hands are covered with the blood of true Grace by faith Christians from over the centuries.

And the pope usurps Christs headship over his Church.

[FeignofCordor]

@Remogogy

I believe St.Peter started the Church that you say was started by Satan.

[Remogogy]

@FeignofCordor No that is not true at all.

Peter was not the first pope.

And peter was not the Rock. Jesus was referring to himself as the Rock the church would be built upon.He said your name is petros (small stone) and upon this Petra (Rock)i will build MY church.

Jesus is the Rock of our salavation.

plus peter never went to Rome. Paul greets many people in his letter and does not mention peter.

he was not just overlooked , he wasn't their.

Peter was not send to the gentiles. Paul was.

[kiwichristian2009]

Decreti, pars ii. causa xxiii. quaest v. can. xlvii: "Those are not to be accounted homicides who, fired with zeal for Mother Church, may have killed excommunicated persons."

[kiwichristian2009]

The claim of the RCC as the only (infallible) & true church is blatantly falacious. In 1986 in Assisi Italy,Pope J,Paul II gathered the world's religious leaders to pray for 'world peace'.There were snake worshipers,animists,buddhists,­hindus,muslims,north american witch doctors, fire worshipers, presbytarians,methodists etc,pope said THEY WERE ALL PRAYING TO THE SAME GOD!! Also homosexualism, lesbianism, pedophilia etc holds sway in the enclaves of an infal. church!

[kiwichristian2009]

The early church as described in the NT did the following: shared all things in common, relationships, support missionaries/ministers, teaching & preaching, praying, worshiping, reading of scripture, evangelism, fostering spiritual gifts. No where does the NT dictate fancy buildings, robes, repetitive prayer, a priesthood, Mary worship, sectarianism, or any order of service, etc.. all these are man made traditions added on.

[kiwichristian2009]

Just as Cain vainly tried to impress God with the works of his hands, so do Catholics try to impress God with their good works and ceremonialism. Catholicism is a damnable lie that has been in the world since Cain. God will smash the Catholic Whore with His judgments.

[Loonypics]

Exactly what part of Christs statment do these people fail to understand -

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

That means not by a paster or priest. But by Jesus olone directly.

IE: NO MIDDLE MAN

[TheNonjudgemental]

@Loonypics Why do you noncatholics think we owe you an explaination?

[kiwichristian2009]

There are so many verses in scripture that contradict RCC theology Rom 4:5 utterly condemns the System of salvation by masses penance priests etc, bible teaches that salvation is gift of God not of works & this gift is freely given by God to those who trust in the merits of Christ's finished work on Calvary, the RCC SYSTEM is a demonic counterfeit to keep the lost RCs on the broad road to hell

[CAnswersTV]

@kiwichristian2009 Well said Brother! Romans 4:5 states, "Now to him that WORKETH NOT, but BELIEVETH on Him that JUSTIFIETH the ungodly, his FAITH is COUNTED for RIGHTEOUSNESS." Romans 11:6, "And if by grace, then is it NO MORE OF WORKS: otherwise GRACE is no more GRACE. But if it be of WORKS, then is it NO MORE GRACE: otherwise WORK is no more WORK." Galatians 5:4, "Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are JUSTIFIED BY THE LAW; ye are FALLEN FROM GRACE." See Galatians 2:21.

[kiwichristian2009]

@CAnswersTV Works are important, but they are a RESULT of salvation, not a means TO salvation. It is easy for me to say "I am saved". but if my life and works don't reflect that salvation, i could just be lieing. By their fruits ye shall know them. Just as Cain vainly tried to impress God with the works of his hands, so do Catholics try to impress God with their good works and ceremonialism.

[FeignofCordor]

@CAnswersTV

I`m a Catholic and tired of those in the Christian family who want to sit boastfully in judgement of my Christian faith with accusations that are not true to my faith.

I as a Catholic have never been taught nor do I believe that Salvation is earned by works, Infact the opposite is true that Salvation has already been earned by Christ and that we are not capable of earning such grace. However works is important.

James 2:14

[Loonypics]

@kiwichristian2009 Very well said, spot on comment Bro' will these poor deceived people ever wake up ?

[kiwichristian2009]

@Loonypics Thank you. Catholics are good people who love God very much. They have just been lied to and brainwashed. No wonder even as recently as 1986 there is a cannon law that FORBIDS catholics from reading a Bible that has NOT been "approved" by the vatican!

[TheNonjudgemental]

@kiwichristian2009 Well thank you my friend, say anything you want, Catholics do

not deny Christ. Christ knows we do not deny him. OK, I am done for now.

[CAnswersTV]

@TheNonjudgemental Your claim is irrelevant considering the reality of Roman Catholic dogma & practice. Romanism denies Christ in a multitude of ways (see our 16 hr video series called ROMAN CATHOLICISM SERIES -type LARRY WESSELS ROMAN CATHOLICISM in the Youtube search box to find it- covering ways Christ's gospel is denied). Christ is denied by: 1. Making the Pope the Vicar of Christ, 2. Exalting Mary to "Co-Redemptrix & Mediatrix" with Christ, 3. Putting tradition on par with scripture, etc.

[Remogogy]

@TheNonjudgemental Its not that Catholics deny Christ.

Its that Catholics have a totally different Christ that the real Jesus Christ from the scripture.

Catholics have a False Christ that is put forth from the mind of satan.

And that is why when the false prophet comes in the tribulation claiming to be Christ and directing you all to worship Lawless one.

Your going to fall for it.

the true Church will be gone by this time in the Rapture.

[FeignofCordor]

@Remogogy

Tell me what is false about my Christ me being a Catholic?

[Remogogy]

@FeignofCordor Your Jesus is the same false Jesus that will come during the tribulation ,explaining that all roads lead to God.

The catholic system exalts the worship of Mary above Christ.

your saved by works in catholisism.The pope is said to be the head of the Church.

The Catechism is regarded higher than the Bible.

catholisism is basically Diana worship under a different name. the old mother child,

Babylonian religion repackaged.

It is NOT Biblical Christianity.

It is a false religion.

[kiwichristian2009]

Through infant baptism, keeping sacraments, church membership, going to mass, praying to Mary, and confession (just to mention a few), the Catholic church has developed a system of salvation through WORKS. God's word says that we are saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, not through works". "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." (Eph. 2:8-9)

[ByzantineCrusader]

So are the Jews according to you(because it differs with Protestants) going to heaven or hell? To us, APOSTOLIC(not necessarily ROMAN Catholic) Christians, we believe that there are some amongst other faiths, be it JEWS, Moslems, Buddhists, Hindus, and etc., who might go to heaven too, because it is also NOT ABOUT calling yourself a Christian and not believing, we have to see BEYOND the LABLES, Titles, Identities and etc.

[CAnswersTV]

@ByzantineCrusader Your very comment here proves that you are a false prophet & the pointlessness of your question bears this out as well. False prophets always digress from the clear teaching of the Word of God (the Bible - see our website BIBLEQUERY ORG for more on this). Jesus said it Himself, "I am the way, the truth, & the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me" (John 14:6). Jesus said not many will be saved in Matthew 7:13-14 & that includes unbelieving Jews & false prophets.

[ByzantineCrusader]

@CAnswersTV I never claimed to be a Prophet. Anyone who claims to be a Prophet is false, because a Prophet speaks God's words, and if a Prophet existed in 2010, then he would speak God's words, and if He spoke God's words, then they would be added to the Scriptures, and since we know that the 27 books of the NT are the Sealed Deal, no one can add anything to that which has already fulfilled the OT. That includes the Koran, Constitution or the Book of Mormon, etc.

[kiwichristian2009]

@ByzantineCrusader What about if someone claims to be an apostle, yet cannot prove it by apostolic signs?

[nsolcis]

haha this is so EASY, Vatican council two is an apostate council, every pope from johnXXIII is an anti-pope, and it is proven right here at 3:15, where JPII contradicts almost 700yrs of church teaching. YES popes can be heretics, look at the Arian heresy which was so bad that approximately 1% of the jurisdictional bishops remained Catholic and 99% became Arian,

Jesus said himself there will be a great falling away before he returns, vatican II anybody?

[ONLYthroughTHECROSS]

Catholics do not submit to scripture. Period. They are not Born-Again

do not read their Bibles, do not understand scripture & cannot interpret

scripture in context. All scripture is filtered through the RC Institution

leading millions right into the pit of hell. They are counting their 'church'

to get to heaven. They deny scripture even when you read it to them.

They ears are plugged, they have scales over their eyes a demonic spirit

preventing them from being Born-Again.

[kiwichristian2009]

@ONLYthroughTHECROSS Amen! the rcc says that evolution is in line with Christianity and catholics can believe in it. This is CONTRARY to the Bible. the rcc says mary was sinless. this is CONTRARY to the Bible. the rcc says confess your sins to a priest. this is CONTRARY to the Bible. the rcc says mary can save you. this is CONTRARY to the Bible. the rcc says peter was "the rock". this is CONTRARY to the Bible. The rcc murdered MILLIONS of Christians. This is CONTRARY to the Bible.

[CBALLEN]

All that we have today in the RCC is an extension of the ROMAN EMPIRE,every Pope is nothing more than a modern day Caesar,who used the verse of Peter being the rock that the church was built on,out of context to merely retain power over the peoples of the world.Scripture is just window dressing and a means to total control.

[kiwichristian2009]

@CBALLEN Amen! They DENY Jesus died ONCE for ALL.They DENY Jesus is our ONLY salvation.They DENY Jesus did away with the needs for priests.They DENY God forgives us of ALL sin.They DENY only God can forgive sins against God.They DENY we must worship God and God alone.They DENY God when He says "For ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God"

[dcrippen2000]

are you kidding me?? watch some videos of the catholic apologist robert sungenis.. he clearly explains of God being loving and just... its called propitiation.. and maybe you should not speak until you know what you're speaking of is true you liar..

[CAnswersTV]

@dcrippen2000 We have a debate with Robert Sungenis posted on YOUTUBE right now. Look up the video entitled, "Was Peter the First Vicar of Christ?" Debate between Sungenis & Butler versus James White & Rob Zins. Sungenis is just as worthless though since he is forced to defend a Romanist pedophile cult with a former member of Hitler's army as its "pope." The Romanist priesthood is filled with homosexuals & pedophiles (check the news reports).

[glizag]

This RCC apologist is dodging the issues concerning the contradictions within RC doctrines, he never answered the evidence put before him at all

RCC is a false SYSTEM because within it no one can be Saved, as they do indeed preach a gospel of NO HOPE. Gal 1:6-9

I say go to the bible & try find RCC dogmas within it,& you will have a hard time as they are not there, and if it's not in the bible then no one is mandated to believe such rubbish,oral tradition does not help because its not inspired

[CAnswersTV]

@glizag It is refreshing when I do not have to battle a viewer here in the comments section. Good job on your analysis! I could not agree with you more! If only everyone could see what we so plainly see but then again that's what being spiritually "born again" is all about (John 3:3-8)!

[CBALLEN]

@CAnswersTV I love your debates Brother,you know you're making an impact with the truth when you opponent's veins pop out in his neck and he loses control of his emotions. God Bless You Brother Larry!

[CAnswersTV]

@CBALLEN Thanks brother! It's good to have a fellow warrior in the battle! This was a two hour debate (the entire debate is on YOUTUBE, but find the full length versions by typing in LARRY WESSELS BEREAN BEACON in the YOUTUBE search box). During the break between the first hour & the second, having been so upset the first hour, Fastiggi literally came over to me before we started the second hour & apologized for his behaviour. We then started the second hour.

[CBALLEN]

@CAnswersTV Well,that was good that he apologized,because he really need to,I guess I used to get that way myself,when I was little and someone told me Santa didn't exist. lol it's a terrible thing when you're in the corner and you have no explanation for the facts that keep piling up against your position.God Bless

[glizag]

I agree 1 million % brother Jesus did not come to earth to start a false religious system I abhor a System that at present is leading 1.3 Billion RCs to hell with fantasy teachings that can Save no one

There is no salvation in the person of Peter or Mary Christ's earthly mother salvation is a gift of God given freely by God to those who come as lost hell bound sinners seeking mercy through the merits of His Son upon Calvary

If you can get into heaven any other way the John 14:6 is incorrect

[sherrigfun]

The RC man says the God he knows is a God of Love.

This is true. However, he obviously has NOT read the

entire Bible because GOD is ALSO a God of Judgment.

RC's simple do not know The Word of God.

It is very obvious. It is not even worth debating a RC

because they haven't got a clue WHAT the Bible says.

RC theology changes from day to day they can't make

up their minds!

Pathetically sad.

[CAnswersTV]

@sherrigfun Excellent points!