It happened in ... Chernobyl - 23 Jun 08 - Part 2

[505LaxMan]

Crazy.

[DrHoffmanZX]

now it happened something very similar to it in japan

[RobBrown822]

@DrHoffmanZX a stunning analysis. thorough. logical. avoided assumptions. was not the result of misinformation (or the complete lack of understanding -- no knowledge of the situation aside from "REACTOR-ISN MACHINE GO BAD", etc).

though, given that bigots and racists such as yourself tend to detach themselves from reality and logic, i assume you don't care.

[vladnike7]

I give great respect for Ivan, who stayed there

[MrColonelKFC]

I don't care what you say, that guys is a bad ass. You know a man loves his land/country when he threatens to basically get him self killed just so he can stay.

[hipp6y]

about the grandpa: strangely enough, the radiation in the zone is spread pretty unevenly. there are places it barely exceeds safety levels, there are places it's horrifyingly high(i.e. the red forest). it's possible he lives in one of the safer spots and doesn't get sick because of that.

[Alex101092bmx]

Chernobyl have a major amount of radiation the people still fucking dying! my grandfather worked at the Chernobyl reactor. back then i was a kid so I don’t remember much(15 years later my grandfather die because of the fucking radiation. He's paid a lot of money for the surgery even the money could not safe his life. so i think Chernobyl is not a good place for tourist....

[asifineededaname]

1:35 at first glance, i thought it was a KFC sign

[dwarfer777]

how can they speak of god after chernobyl. thank god .. yeh "thank god we survived".. how about the kids that died of leukaemia "thank god for that?"

everything to way too random for a god.. how can allah and god exist, WE, HUMANS, MADE THEM UP!

[cokedr1]

Ivans a real man!!!!!!!!!!!!

[MrSmithAaron101]

Lord Help us deliver us from The effects of nuclear power....You are great

[guitarnashelter]

holy shit that old fella must be one tough bastard to consider going back ,surviving large radiation doses and threatening the russian police with grenades,and chain smoking probably through it,TOUGH BASTARD!!

[nargilif]

@guitarnashelter Oh,yes.That's the REAL russian and slavic spirit. The spirit of indvidualism,freedom and bravery! Its peple like Grandpa Ivan that won the WWII, and save the humanity. NO Western Power will Ever understand let alone subdue that spirit! No matter what dirty tricks or propaganda they use! They sucssed to subdue us, Slavic nations, whit means forementioned for a shorter or longer times using traitors among us, like Yeltsin.But not permanently ! Slavic spirit lives forever!!!

[romanz2000]

omg the narrators r terrible! i cnt even understand their *** accents! a narrator has to have a clear voice, n talk in a understandable way not this... pfffffffffffffff!!!!!!!!

[pethead87]

jeez, this woman must be super-woman, still healthy !!

[alnot01]

Finland & France rely very heavily on nuclear power, and there are no incidents of this nature. There are USA reactors which have been up and running since the 1960s, without incident.

Chernobyl's design was radically different from anything called a nuclear power plant in the West, and radically unsafe to the core. One reason it was designed as it was, was to create the option of producing plutonium for weapons rather than power. No western plant has ever been built that way.

[phobos321]

@alnot01 Heard of three mile island accident, pennsylvania, 1979? That was a partial meltdown of the core, and it could have ended much worse than it did. The by far biggest problem with chnpp, was that it was built without a complete containment structure. It had only a partial structure, below ground, hence the radiation could easily escape the building in the case of a major event. A flawed reactor design gave it a positiv void coefficient that can make it unstable and spiral out of control.

[alnot01]

@phobos321 : chernobyl was far far worse. I do not agree that the worse case scenario at 3MI could have come anywhere near Chernobyl. No commercial reactor in the west has ever been designed to have a positive void coefficient.

[phobos321]

RBMK is indeed a very dangerous reactor design, and a lot less safe than the western reactor designs. I didn't deny that. My point is that an accident of this scale could happen in the west as well. Positive void is not the only cause of a nuclear disaster. However, western safety features offers a lot better protection agains major contamination of large areas. But nuclear energy has a big safety problem, even in the west. That's why the chernobyl disaster is still relevant, even in the west.

[alnot01]

@phobos321 : Chernobyl and Bhopal are the two gravest high tech accidents in world history. Chernobyl brought down the USSR.

That said, I believe that nuclear power has a good future, especially if there is a shift to thorium fuel. France stores its waste above ground, in a quiet rural area. Other nations, esp. Australia, could do the same. A building the size of a high school gym will store all of the waist a reactor generates over its 60 year lifetime.

[phobos321]

@alnot01 Well, what brought down the soviet union was the stagnant and inefficient planned economy in combination with the arms race with the united states, but I agree that the chernobyl accident contributed, as it exposed major weaknesses in the soviet system.

As for nuclear power, I think it's important not to be blinded. However, if countries are to reduce Co2 emissions, nuclear power might be the only real option on a large scale, at least today. The nuclear waste is still a problem.

[alnot01]

@phobos321 : We are very much agreed that nuclear power could help hugely on the climate change front. If the USA and China stopped burning coal, the CO2 reduction would be huge huge.

[Balnazzardi]

@phobos321 Well as you said western reactors (LWR, PWR and BWR reactors) are much safer than RBMK's and so the risk of reactor meltdown is quite low.And it was not just the reactor type that caused the accident in Chernobyl, there were so many things done wrong,like they switched the safety systems off that would have prevented the reactor reaching those critical leveles, but that would have also prevented the test...and chernobyl didnt have containment structure, which all western reactors have

[phobos321]

@alnot01 And one more thing, it's not the fact that it's commercial that gives you the great safety features, but government regulation. Positive void-reactors are illegal in the us. It has nothing to do with reactors being commercial. It's the safety regulation. In the soviet union progress and meeting goals was more important than nuclear safety. They cut corners. The same could happen commercially, with the absence of sufficient safety regulation.

[alnot01]

@phobos321 : The Russkis cut corners by building their power reactors so as to be convertible to the making of weapons grade plutonium.

Liability in the courtroom gives utilities a very strong incentive to play it safe.

Regulation is needed mainly because the liability of a USA utility in case of a nuclear accident is sharply limited by the Price-Anderson Act from the 1950s. In the absence of that act, nuclear power would not exist in the USA.

[EmayaTaku]

What such prat would dislike this?

It's history!

[lord123j]

is the narrator jeremy clarkson?!

[tnerual888]

how is it possible she's healthy?

[zaponsky]

hay un deposito para equipo contaminado que fue utilizado durante la limpieza inmediata, que fuerte

[Aerien]

Ivan sounds anything from healthy. It almost painful to hear him breathe....

[JundaComputersGmbH]

10:14

"The reactor was designed as cheap as possible, even if it means to cut corner on the safety" The government is fucking stupid for cutting corners on the safety, saved some money but thousands of people died because of it.

The guy named Oleksij Breus kinda looks like Han Solo from Star Wars

[1979jondam]

@JundaComputersGmbH it cost them loads in the end

[1979jondam]

russians trying to be the best when they know they cant be lool. now they pay the price the world owes the people who helped in cleaning up the mess they got told nothing about the true dangers. my they never be forgoten and make govements think twice about nuc power

[zazon5]

This voice over is way too intense for a serious documentary.

[mcbooze]

fukkin jews

[dystopiafilm]

I have a permit! A passport! I have everything! - And if you do this I also have two grenades! lol!

[Naras19]

oh my god... what fcking bullshit you're talking about? Engineers and other poor who worked in chernobyl were blamed for taking orders from Central Commitie(gorbaciov and others commies) of ssrs... What the fck? You westernes are idiots i can tell you that ;). All those experiments were ordered and blessed by the goverment. WAKE UP! You believe the communist propoganda bullshit!. Russian communists was responsible for this disaster! In east europe everyone knows that!

[dziausas3000]

Skustagalvis :D

[OscarCommie]

We are not all idiots thank you very much.

[SGTBizarro]

They did not intend to destroy the reactor... The destruction of Chernobyl reactor 4 not only crippled them economically, but also militarily, as hundreds of pilots and other personnel were called back from Afghanistan to assist with the cleanup. Thousands of pilots, firemen, miners, and soldiers died from that event, their most advanced missile detection station had to be abandoned, and it cost them billions upon billions to complete the cleanup. You say the meltdown was intentional? lol

[SGTBizarro]

(Cont.) According to numerous sources, the regulations specified that the safety test on rector 4 be carried out at a power lvl of 700-1000MW. However, the staff at the plant decided to perform this test at a much lower power level than recommended.

The power level unintentionally dropped to almost nil (near shut down), so to raise the power level back up, they completely withdrew the control rods from the reactor to try and jumpstart it.

[SGTBizarro]

(Cont. 2) However, with the control rods fully withdrawn, the reaction grew unstable. A design flaw in the reactor produced certain deadzones within the reaction chamber, areas where sensors did not quite reach. By the time their instruments registered a power increase, it was already too late. The output of the reactor began to skyrocket, which prompted staff to fully insert the control rods (scram/total shutdown). The graphite-tipped control rods, instead of stopping the reaction--

[SGTBizarro]

(Cont. 3) - caused a steam explosion which destroyed the reactor. You really think that the government would order a nuclear experiment which involved melting down a nuclear reactor, when the outcome of the disaster would result in almost complete economic and military devastation? You are saying they destroyed their own country's future intentionally? I don't buy that. The reactor had a flawed design, and the control room staff got careless with the safety test.

[ahmanitsfull]

It amazes me that they aren't blaming the engineers on duty, they were supposed to conduct the test between 700-1000 megawatts, but they decided to do it at 200.

[yurikpikh28]

engineers that were on duty at that time were sentenced to prison .some of them died in prison

[RF42996]

why??

[Sotasukka]

there survived like 2 men from the command room

[geekforlifevandc]

it was actually the man in charge deatlow the enginners told him that the test should be mayed at 700mg but at that time freedom of speach or opinion is nothing

[rolyatgjg16tay]

lol just pointing out that 1:55 is where they did the one shot one kill mission in cod4 ... this is a useful video i heard about this just didnt know anything about it... luckly i stumbled across it

[SgtdawnFTW9000]

damn soviet! we my dad cudnt eat moose meat for moths!

[GARYTHEGUIRI]

Shows what a safety experiment can really do! RBMK is stupid, why have something without protection!

[FuckFashion]

you don't know anything about russia and eastern europe.shut up !

[vanillacokeclock]

BROADWAY

[rob221100]

Grandpa IVAN...he is really balls to the fucking wall!!!

He is such a fucking bad ass...even the Goddamn radiation is afraid of him!!!

Seriously...this tragedy stifles the human imagination!!!!

[jdhf983y4uhu]

01:37 looks like a nice place, i bet they were thankful for such a large KFC :D

[rob221100]

Good one jdhf983y4uhu, LMFAO!!!!

[Borat911]

hehehe , I think Ivan has three eyes and a tumor the size of a mountain by now !!

[raymankisser]

watseland in fallout 3 is like Prypyat

[NoWaiBoss]

shitty english dubbing, learn to read subtitles goddam...

[Telstar85]

Why did they switched off the safety systems? Why did they ran abnormal tests? Why did they built this type of plant though it was known to be more risky than few other options? Pripyat is the price of saving money the wrong way.

[ahmanitsfull]

The test was supposed to be run without the safety systems on, it was not a faulty type of plant, but the way it was manufactured.

[klemas1983]

wtf? why would u keep suck a thing in secret????

[GioDaddy19]

Ha ha HA!! What A Strong N Healthy Granpa!!

[Truthseeker1412]

The grandpa Ivan at 4:45 is awesome :)

[EarthlyMaidenLita]

Well, he's very adamant about it. I'm just glad he's still healthy.

This is not respectful at all, but that could be useful for house foreclosures.

[aspire2535]

thats 1 grumpy old man

[TheDogThatMeows]

He's "awesome" because...? Because he's saying he's going to kill people with his grenades? That's why he's awesome? He's awesome because of his stupidity may convinced other stupid people to return and be affected by long term biological mutations which will be inherited on-down broken DNA sequences?

Yes, I guess grandpa Ivan is really is awesome after all...

[beliartheusurper]

AYE you leeve GRANPA IVAN ALONE!!! Or I'll throw a grenade at you!!! :-D

[esteban2106]

@TheDogThatMeows Most of the people that returned to their homes within the Exclusion Zone are old people, men and women in their late 50's and up, so they wont have any children, however I do agree that they'll have to live and deal with the consequences of radiation themselves, and that's not necessarily smart, but I think that ultimately is their choice to make and their right. Another story is the 8 mil people that live outside the Excl. Zone but in contaminated areas.

[gardenvarietypenis]

fedor's granpa ivan

[candofitness]

balls of steel

[niyooh]

STEEL

[HYPERZEPHARIAN]

Corrected: "All of the people who had taken the suicide mission to saving their country, their people, and their family have earned the respect of every living person." I'm not trying to be a dick and only care about grammar and spelling. I love your message. I think it was an amazing sentiment, but just expressed wrong. You kick ass.

[parzit888]

i respect anyone who voluunteered to sacarfice in this. scary accident..

[TheCaptainLulz]

@arbitar222 Agreed! It would have been MUCH worse if they hadn't stopped the fire.

[STOPTHEEU]

@arbitar222 They probably saved Europe!

[macintosh315]

@arbitar222 spell check: "All those poor people who went on a suicide mission to save their country, lives, and families are respected for life."

[maxharper6]

i feel so sorry for all those affected after the accident they had nouthing there homes worthless and their family and friends dying from exsposer. A tragic, horrorifc accident.

[Kamianek]

This is one of the reasons global warming got more active...

[casshern1666]

A thing like this is going to happen again...just wait and see.

[meepenator3]

i didnt think that ferris wheel from cod4's sniper mission was real =O

[bluucrayonz]

i didnt think any of it was real...

[meepenator3]

look through the video. youll see it

[IFatalityProductionI]

Are you serious? Wow

[miragef19]

it is real google on pripiat ferris wheel

[IFatalityProductionI]

Wow thats like the most famous farris wheel in Russia.

[meepenator3]

in Ukraine

[TigerEyeJewel]

Absolutely horrifying. I feel for all those families! People say oh Chernobyl the power plant that blew up, but it so much more than that, people died, scars still remain, radiation levels are on going, its terrible how the people were treated.

[ReconUnit415]

Amazing documentary.

[michaelhuddleston]

I just got back from Prypiat last month and took a giger counter...surprisingly the radiation levels are a lot lower than you would expect 20 years later. It was very creepy to see all the towers and places with no people

[NKA23]

Of course it doesn´t...that´s only a myth.

[NKA23]

BTW that´s a Geiger counter...Giger is the name of a swiss artist who has very little to do with radioactivity...

[bluucrayonz]

did u take pictures? i would like to see them!!

[LSUBOY74]

great film

[Horhey17]

the guy at 5:49 is awesome

[eilidh2005]

says alot about a person when they threaten you with grenades!

[gunsminator]

I'm against this statement

"so dont be bashing it because you think there will be another chernobyl, because there isn't a chance in hell of that"

and nuclear power. The simple reason is: A meltdown is impossible only when there isnt any nuclear plants.

Im assuming you are for nuclear power, what is your reason for that?

[pixelated111]

The lady doing voice over is really bad at it lol

[pixelated111]

Why did the lady go there? Much radiation would still be lingering there

[drummersean94]

pixelated111, she had a lead jacket on so she was safe

[Butterz771]

russian Government = Selfish!

I feel for everyone in the belarussian provinces! May god bless this strucken nation!

[WakkaV2]

You can buy it on BROADWAY!!!

[Ltcjose]

The Power Plant had and emergency shut-off switch but the reactor was in a danger zone that the switch didn't do anything.

[John031989]

Pripyat gets my vote for the Most Depressing and Creepy Place On Earth award.

[bong18657]

call of duty 4 said that same line. "fifty thousand people used to live here now its a ghost town."

[dartvader117]

that's a true figure (approximately, anyway). but don't always accept "facts" in video games and repeat them online, you can get pretty bashed for it no matter how true it may be. but yes, there was an approximate population of 50,000 people

[richthebast]

50,000 people used to live here. now its a ghost town.

[kaylios23]

this is horrible..poor people

[SMGJohn]

one day i gona shop pripyat

[Masamunecb]

Well, you can buy stuff but you can't take it home.

[schellang4]

Wow this was great! Is this avalable for purchase on a DVD?

[valleycolts2]

I cant wait to go here next year!

[robintopgun]

REgarding the idea that neuclear power is bad 30 people died and others suffered uprootion and health problems. so? i mean i know that soinds cold hearted but it is not fair not to have pwoer at all cos you dont think its safe enogh

all alternaticves are bad too...

were stuck for it

[irishcure]

Robin,

When you have been to Belarus and held the children affected by this 'accident' then come back and make comments here.

We do not need nuclear for anything. We have wind, water for power which we do not utilise.

30 people is the communist count do not believe what you have read. I have held children who have died because of the Chernobyl 'accident'.

We must utilise other safer methods of generating power.

[robintopgun]

sure. i agree that is a good and correct thing. but, hydro electric dam formations are rare to find. wind... you must be joking the worst form of power. how about we go back to sticks and stones (noone uses fire, do they) that could help maybe

[robintopgun]

by 'accident' does that mean it was on purpose or somthing? seriously

[Rpzzz]

a helicopter crashed into the plant.

[Isochest]

No form of energy has 100% availability: nukes are either all or nothing. A wind farm can generate something if not all are commissioned. There are large transmission losses associated with central power generation. Biogas/mass are overlooked areas: The UK seems hell bent on nukes and have rejected feed in tariffs that make it worthwhile to have solar panels on their houses. We pay more for energy compared to Europe in the UK. Renewable energy means more competition and lower energy prices.

[YourNumb]

""REgarding the idea that neuclear power is bad 30 people died and others suffered uprootion and health problems. so? i mean i know that soinds cold hearted but it is not fair not to have pwoer at all cos you dont think its safe enogh"

30 people died within 24hours,A day later when pripyat was evacuated, 700 or so workers were sent back into the plant most of them died within 6 months.Add to that the soldiers sent in to clean up and total loss of life is near 5000 (official number is 1200)

[Kenny0MG]

That 5k deathtoll is a pile of bullcrap. The WHO acts limp in all questions related to radiation and the IAEA dismissed even the rising number of thyroid cancers as nonsense in 91. They still does not admit cardiovasc. hearth and other problems possibly caused by radiation. Then there's the criticism of the LNT, which may or may not be true, but I havent seen the distinction between getting irradiated by the environment or consuming radioactive stuff and getting irradiated from within mentioned.

[irishcure]

It doesn't matter whether its 5k or 500 its just not a safe form of generating power.

I know people say it wont happen again as they have take all necessary cautions to ensure it wont. They also said the titanic could not be sunk....

Its made by humans so therefore its flawed in some way shape or form.

What I cant understand is why so many people are for nuclear power. Why not go with wind/water. Nuclear has not done any good and now its all about weapons. Need I say more.

Open your minds.

[RainingSilence]

Today's nuclear power plants in the west are far safer. There is a lot of U-238 slowing things down in them, emergency control rods will automatically drop down if there's a problem, and if things get out of hand the computer will shut the reactor down automatically. In Chernobyl, they overrode the automatic systems they had. They got it wrong and the reactor overheated, melted, and blew out the control system before they could stop it. We're safer with it now than ever before.

[chelbass]

Chernobyl operators had reactor without brakes. Reactor exploded after operator press button 'Reactor Emergency Shutdown'. In any case,independently of wether,oprator's humor or even his previous actions,the emergency protection system had to stop reactor in 15 secons. But that system works sometimes as detonator for the reactor/bomb, but not as a brake. After 1986 this defect was eliminated at all RBMKs. But they have another unremovable defects, for instance reactor isn't hidden in contaiment!

[migueldelodz]

The bohrium rod is ended up with graphite and when it reached the most overheated part of the reactor it produced an uncontrolled power jump which created such an energy that every second it had been multiplying the number of megawats produced so imagine how unstable at that moment was the reactor. All because of the ambitions of one man - Djatłow...

[chelbass]

In any case,independently of Dyatlov's ambitions,the emergency protection system have to shut down reactor!But due to constructional defects of absorber rods, reactor was not stopped.Dyatlov was not among designers of thesystem. It was designed by NIKIET Institute,Moscow.Ivan Yemelyanov, chief of this work,was expelled from communist party in1986.However,Soviet government prefered to keep in dark any info about guilty of Soviet scientists and designers. Chernobyl operators were made scapegoats.

[chelbass]

Chernobyl operators had reactor without brakes. Reactor exploded after operator press button 'Reactor Emergency Shutdown'. In any case,independently of wether,oprator's humor or even his previous actions,the emergency protection system had to stop reactor in 15 secons. But that system works sometimes as detonator for the reactor/bomb, but not as a brake. After 1986 this defect was eliminated at all RBMKs. But they have another unremovable defects, for instance reactor isn't hidden in contaiment!

[irishcure]

Sorry but this is not good enough. Yes it was over-ridden and yes someone made a mistake but what do we say the next time this happens?

We should not be taking the risk of this ever occurring again no matter what the positive gains are from the plants.

There are other means which are much safer and better for the environment.

Why do we as humans never learn from mistakes but have to prove that we can fix this and possibly make the same mistakes again.

[Silkrat]

Its a difficult question, but I think the answer is not to give up on nuclear energy completely, but expand and invest in safety measures that will help stop future accidents. Russia was the site of the worst radiation disasters for a reason - that reason was the soviet carelessness, poor technology, cutting corners and last but not least - the disregard for human life exhibited by the soviet leadership.

[dartvader117]

Chernobyl should never be used as an example to not use nuclear energy. it was terribly constructed (nothing at ALL like new plants) and the safety regulations were not followed at all. the new technologies and much stricter and effective regulations all but eliminate the possiblilty of this ever happening again. nuclear energy is absolutely the way to go until cold fusion, so dont be bashing it because you think there will be another chernobyl, because there isn't a chance in hell of that

[videopray]

Seriously.

[SgtBootz]

If you haven't noticed this was 20 years ago, When people didn't have the knowledge/advancements that we do now.

[gunsminator]

Yeah, do you think the sovjets knew that their plants where "terribly constructed"? No, this was state of the art, nothing could go wrong.

Just as your "new plants".

[dartvader117]

actually, they did. they knew that many safety protocols had been dodged to speed the construction of the plant. and inspections were never properly performed if at all. you cant get by today with that sort of thing, you just cant

[gunsminator]

So your saying designers and operators wasnt aware of the enormous disaster it would be if there was a meltdown? I am willing to accept that, they were careless because they didnt know. Ofc people nowadays do know, thus, in your eyes, there is not chance in hell that a accident could happen again?

Maybe we should start a campain for aeroplane designers and pilots? That way they do know what will happen if the aeroplane do crash. Cause they do, multiple times a year.

[dartvader117]

no. the designs were sound. the construction was terrible and was never correctly built. and im not saying a modern day meltdown is impossible, im saying that we would never build something so shoddy as chernobyl, and even in the worst case scenario, or safety measures are infinitely better than back then. by the way, are you against nuclear energy, or against my argument?

[Volk46]

I woudl disagree with you there, gunsminator. The Soviets had solid blueprints for the construction of their reactors. However, they did not have the avalability of resources of their American counterparts. So, knowing full well that the plants were built with fault, they continued to build them. Then, when something went wrong with the plant, they left the plant management out to dry as stated in the video.

[gunsminator]

My point is... You will never be able to build a failproof plant. Take ANY other technology, far more mature, they still arent failproof.

Lets say x00 000 car engines rolls out of a factory a year. They've been building car engines for 50 years. They have put heavy research into the engines, assembled them with care. The technology is simple.

Still...

Chances are 1 of those x00 000 engines will crash upon start, after 10 miles or 100miles.

Dont you agree?

[gunsminator]

My point is... You will never be able to build a failproof plant. Take ANY other technology, far more mature, they still arent failproof.

Lets say x00 000 car engines rolls out of a factory a year. They've been building car engines for 50 years. They have put heavy research into the engines, assembled them with care. The technology is simple.

Still...

Chances are 1 of those x00 000 engines will crash upon start, after 10 miles or 100miles.

Dont you agree?

[Kenny0MG]

This is not all bad but it couldn't get The System more off during the conclusion. Initially it was the people who got blamed, operators and plant management likewise. This was a classic communist move, find a scapegoat, toss the blame on him (them), then during the trials and such just sweep all the real causes under the carpet.

[Kenny0MG]

In fact the RBMK is seriously flawed ("it is impossible we made anything not flawless!"), plant workers were not trained sufficiently ("coal plant, nuclear plant, both spit out electricity!"), everyone was shitting their pants when it came to decisions so they tried to serve the system without thinking (it was decided to make the "experiment" so nobody in their right mind would have objected - anyone doing so would've risked labeled as imperialist agitator), and there was the insane bureaucracy.

[YourNumb]

Kenny0MG (1 week ago)

""This was a classic communist move, find a scapegoat, toss the blame on him (them), then during the trials and such just sweep all the real causes under the carpet.""

So a bit like the whole George Bush - Iraq - oil thing huh.

[robintopgun]

Why don't we stop blaming the people who are knowing.

Blaming mccain for you faggotini beliefs is unjust.

Saying mccain is an asshole. you will need to do ALL the f***ing things he has done for his country for your 'opinion' to be worth shit.

[WhoTownBoy]

maccain loves the cock, just because hes was a POW doesnt mean he has devine right to the white house, and why are we discussing this on something video that has nothing to do with politics. its the aftermath of Chernobyl.

[robintopgun]

So does that mean obama or hillary clinton have a divine right to it either? i mean sure he doen't. but newither do the other candidates ! and he has done more then either of them

[shockrocker123]

mcCain is gay

[robintopgun]

Fuck you, you jackass if you ever saw what mcCain has you would be digging your own grave.

[WhoTownBoy]

mccain loves the cock.

[robintopgun]

takes one to know one

[preludefan]

stupid communists

[robintopgun]

Yes, i agree

However the idea of 'comunism' is good.

It means everyone is equal.

Make informed statements

[WhoTownBoy]

i thought that was socialism

[hajqbvii]

Chernobyl always comes to mind whenever McCain suggest building more nuclear plants...

No thanks, the risks are too high!

[jabzulani]

Mckain is an Asss!!!

[CommunistFury]

Always good to point that out, but post-Chernobyl nuclear power plants are built specifically to make sure there will be no more "Chernobyls". I'm personally not in favor of John McCain, but i do believe he's right about making more power plants.

[demrings]

The only alternatives that can produce enough energy are fossile fuels. The risks with them are a lot higher!

Supporters for nuclear power you'll perhaps appreciate more than McCain: James Lovelock, the guy who conceived of the Gaia hypothesis, and Patrick Moore, co-founder of Greenpeace. Please search for these guys, and read up on their arguments.

[YourNumb]

demrings wrote

"The only alternatives that can produce enough energy are fossile fuels. The risks with them are a lot higher!"

Your joking right?

Honda recently announced it will begin limited retail marketing of its FCX Clarity, a 100-kilowatt (150 hp) hydrogen fuelcell powered compact car, which plugs into the home and supplies upto 100KW of electricity taking strain off the national grid.

instead of charging your electric car from your home, you will charge your home from the car.

[demrings]

Hydrogen is merely a way to store energy. It has to be produced using energy generated by other means.

[robintopgun]

Cheap power... Mc2=e and all that?

Keep them 30k away from major cities and you should be fine.

Knowing little of albert eienstines works is one thing. the perpose another

[EsotericDesi]

Al Jazeera ROCKS..!

[zelands]

Heh, that Ivan guy is funny, although crazy. Where else could you threaten police with grenades, and get away with it?

[systat]

In Croatia :p