All these guys do is bash a specific religion (typically Christianity). When will they attempt to tackle the bigger issue. Is Intelligent Design a valid theory or idea? Unfortunately, ID compares very well with Evolutionary Theory and I would hope that no one ever does do a comparison test with them. That would be pretty disheartening to see the parallels. Evolution, as described by Evolutionary Theory, is what we've all been taught since grade school. I hope they do not test our beliefs...
@TheGeneralCritic Riiight? Whose side are you on? We cant ever use that analogy again - give the religious nutjobs more ammo. Apples and Oranges probably have more similarities than differences.
They rarely argue specifically against abiogenesis as it is understood that for Evolutionary Theory to be accurate its almost inherent that abiogenesis must be true also.
I dont understand, are you of a different religion than the rest of us active atheists? I dont know what you're saying?
Funny how when religion makes testable claims, they fail miserably. But when they make untestable claims, they claim it's true still, since it hasn't been proven wrong....as if when it did become testable by future technologies, it would be proven correct. Haha!
@muzalot ur analogy is flawed here ~To one without faith, no explanation is possible.~ can you rewrite that. its like your saying we wont believe anything.
OK, I believe you know what "quantify" means so obviously your not asking what my statement means, your merely disagreeing.. I likewise disagree with you in that buddhists are atheists.. They would more accurately be described as non-theists or agnostic-theists, not to be confused with atheism or the strong believe that there is no being as absolute and immutable G-d..
@muzalot atheism is not a belief that there is no god, it's a lack of belief, and there IS a difference. The difference being that atheists are not 'claiming' they know, that is anti-theists or gnostic atheists. And budhists by definition have lack of belief in a god, therefore they are by definition atheists, even though they might say they don't know (I don't claim to know either, but I am an atheist). You're probably an atheist in regards to Freia and Apollon aswell etc.
Claims that atheism is not a belief or that atheism and agnosticism have the same definition are certainly debatably.. While some atheists may indeed be agnostics the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy says; "Atheism means the negation of theism, the denial of the existence of God." Furthermore, DENIAL is not merely a lack of belief in God, it is in fact an assertion about something one strongly believes..
"Analogy doesn't work" is simply not true.. Sigmund Freud wrote that analogies prove nothing but a good one may help to clarify the issues..
anyway, i can't decide whether your more ignorant about faith or gravity.. while it's true that gravity is reliable whether or not one has faith in it, it's also true that a large application of misguided faith is involved in clinging to a misguided and soon to be obsolete 20th century theory of gravity..
Too bad you haven't said anything intelligible to show that it was inaccurate and for your information my comment was a "comparison and contrast" which is not quite the same thing as analogy..
Giving yourself credit for proving me wrong is a joke.. you don't understand what faith is, you don't understand what gravity is, and now you show me that you don't understand what proof is..
Guys, I tried debating 1tabligh in the past. The guy literally copy and pasted half his comments and doesn't actually care what you write. He doesn't respond to rational debate or acknowledge when you answer his questions, and just keeps posting rhetorical questions over and over. Ignore him.
Hey i already acknowledged my mistake, yet you still try to use my nick as a strawman. I already told you where it comes from, so how about we drop this stupid argument around trivial stuff such as nicks?
Metal, can you understand it? I dont give a crap where you think i got my nick, it's completely irrelevant if you even fail to understand the actual reasons. Wanna continue? Be my guest.
There is no test for God but an analysis of his scat would be a good start. I can hear the scientist now. "Hey, I found some undigested corn in God's turd. I guess he did make man in his own image."
@tmafkap Then how can the atheists delude themselve and believe that hydrogen and oxygen, electrons and protons, should first produce themselves, then be the source for all other beings, and finally decree the laws that regulate themselves and the rest of the material world?
@1tabligh "Delude themselve" is the christian's profession, atheists scarcely do that. Your comment makes your lack of education obvious, and 500 characters ain't enough to fill those vast gaps of knowledge inhabited presumably by your god, so please (with sugar on top) go and at least try to get some scientific education. "God" is always that which must not be understood or questioned, therefore "god" marks the beginning of ignorance.
@1tabligh Yes, it is. You imply the duality of matter and spirit, which is a false dichotomy. There is lots of evidence for the objective existence of matter, but no evidence for the objective existence of anything spiritual.
@tmafkap Should the scientist, who is aware of the natural causes and of the factors determining each step of creation towards perfection, of mankind's evolution, of the minute accuracy and exactitude that rules every change in the nature that surrounds us, come to believe that these wondrous laws and amazing interactions have somehow *fortuitously* emerged out of *mindless* matter?
@1tabligh Well, everything is better than believing that some savage tribe of raping and pillaging desert dwellers living 3,000 years ago somehow figured out some kind of higher truth about the origin of the universe or life within it. So either you start to learn and educate yourself, or you keep asking stupid questions while being mentally enslaved to some fantasy character that's controlled by perverted priests.
@tmafkap How can it be supposed that belief in the existence of God is the acceptance of contradiction, whereas belief in the uncaused nature of an effect such as matter is not contradictory?
How could it be believed that matter should itself be the origin of millions of attributes and characteristics and thus be the equivalent of the purposeful, wise and all-knowing Creator?
@1tabligh Read your questions closely, you answer them by yourself. Shows that you know the answers, but you prefer to dumb yourself down (for whatever reason) and remain ignorant.
@tmafkap Is it logical to say that belief in God is peculiar to those who know nothing about man's composition and creation, and that, by contrast, a scientist who is aware of the natural laws and factors responsible for man's growth and development, who knows that law and precise calculation preside over all stages of man's existence, is bound to believe that matter, lacking all perception and consciousness, is the source of the wondrous laws of nature?
@1tabligh You don't understand what "logic" is, so go and educate yourself. And while you're at it, go and learn about the problem of theodicy, then you'll see one of the many aspects where especially the christian fairy-tales are that illogical that you will quite possibly come to the conclusion that people believing in the christian myths are not entitled to use the word "logic" at all. And now stop trolling by repeating the same bullshit in varying formulations and GO EDUCATE YOURSELF, moron!
@tmafkap Is it not more logical to posit the existence of intelligence, will and planning in the creation of and ordering of the world than to attribute creativity to matter which lacks intelligence, thought, consciousness and the power to innovate?
@1tabligh No, it ain't. Now let me ask you a question, and be careful: you have to answer instead of just posting more questions and ignoring everything I post as reply. Just for the sake of argument let's say science finds evidence for some creator, but there is no way that the real creator of the universe could be identical to the god of the bible or any other abrahamic religion: would you worship the real god or would you stick with the idol created by the abrahamic tradition of your choice?
@tmafkap Belief in the existence of a wise creator is without doubt more logical than faith in the creativity of matter, which has neither perception, consciousness, nor the ability to plan; we cannot attribute to matter all the properties and attributes of intelligence that we see in the world and the ordering will that it displays.
@1tabligh So, you pathetic troll avoid to answer a question (only one) that you've been asked, yet you insist on keep on asking your stupid and ignorant questions. I'm done with you. Frak you, brainwashed piece of shit.
@mooseflier Then how can you delude yourself and believe that hydrogen and oxygen, electrons and protons, should first produce themselves, then be the source for all other beings, and finally decree the laws that regulate themselves and the rest of the material world?
How could some of the scientists permit themselves to make a claim that would necessitate knowledge as extensive as the scheme of the universe, when their knowledge of the total scheme of being is *close* to zero, when confronted with a whole mass of unknowns concerning this very earth and tangible, lifeless matter, let alone the whole universe?
Do scientific discoveries and knowledge cause such a scientist to conclude that matter, *** unknowing and unperceiving ***, is his creator and that of all beings?
How is that for YOUR "you, brainwashed piece of shit. " and answer the questions instead?!
Stupid brainless cuckoo atheist with asinine mind!
@1tabligh I answered all your questions, yet you kept on asking the same shit. Mainly your questions boil down to a big so called "argument from ignorance": you don't understand science, so what you believe in has to be the valid explanation.
Well, the term "brainwashed" seems to have triggered something within you... maybe you start to realize something...
Also: check who you're talking to before making false assumptions. For example, I'm not an atheist.
What realistic scientist, sincerely given to seeking the truth could claim today that while a kidney transplant is the result of centuries of continuous scientific research and experimentation, the structure of the kidney itself reveals no trace of a creative intelligence and will, being the product of mere nature—nature which has no more knowledge or awareness than a kindergarten pupil?
Is it at all possible that the cells of the body should learn their functions, pursue their aim in a precise and orderly fashion, and crystallize so miraculously in the world of being, without there being a conscious and powerful being to instruct them?
Is it not rather the case that phenomena such as these prove and demonstrate, with the utmost emphasis, the need for a plan, a design, a guiding hand inspired by conscious will?
blindly, every person on earth already knows the damn truth. ha (at the time you fall into a deep sleep, to the time you wake) has been said to be the "cousin of death". simply because you just dont feel anything. -its gonna be the (same shit) when we actually die.. yet we wont have dreams, there wont be a HEAVEN, there wont be a HELL, we wont wake up to a later time.. -its basically being unaware of everything. -you dont know if you died or not, til you wake up. you jus gotta accept naturality.
The end of time has been stated to be eminent for 2k years.
That means, the bible has an error rate worst then 50% of the age of the earth according to them. Thats TERRIBLE stats.
Bible is worse then a book that state theres 10 billion humans on earth, 25% of which dont believe in god, but 60% believe in the bible. The rest are demons.
Every mainstream religion has taken thier own "interepation" of the bible, except judaism. That includes, but is not limited to: hinduism, buddist, muslim, among many others. I'm not going to buy it for one second, that christianity has survived these thousands of years, just by hearsay and people maintaining the practices of christianity. Think about it, if these people worshipped a God, and felt nothing, then why on earth would they continue to serve His Son Jesus. that logic makes no sense.
@Jesusthemessiahd4ms So simply because something has been around for two thousand years, means that this length of time automatically gives it supreme veracity? Bullshit, you're dead Jew Christ has had two millennia to show his face, and he hasn't. People are free to worship whatever sky daddy, enslave their minds, and even build their holy buildings. But to decide supreme truth when you haven't even got evidence for you're "god", is not something you can accomplish
Nobody is doubting that people feel something. The question is what it is that they really feel.
How it lasted for 2000 years is pretty simple: It was made the state religion by Emperor Constantine, who made sure the entire Roman Empire became Christian. Then the church came to power and Christian nations played landgrab while imposing their faith on natives through violence or more politics. Short answer: It's been piggy-backing.
@Jesusthemessiahd4ms "if these people worshipped a God, and felt nothing, then why on earth would they continue to serve His Son Jesus. that logic makes no sense."
People continue to worship God because they are indoctrinated early in life. Same principle applied to Muslims, Hindis, Buddhists. You are indoctrinated too.
People need very little coincidence to affirm their indoctrinated beliefs.
I don't think I will ever fully understand how an atheist thinks. I mean if christianity was a false religion, or is made up of lies, then how could it of lasted for close to 2,000 years? I mean there have been at least a couple hundrend other religions between then and now, that claim to be the right one, and have fallen apart. If christianity is a false religion, then the foundation should of crumbled a while ago. How can it still be standing, and don't tell me that people and thier gossip.
@Jesusthemessiahd4ms Buddhism is older and still has many followers. Does that make Buddhism correct. Every religion relies as much on early indoctrination as the others. There is no testable evidence demonstrating proof positive for any of them.
Christianity suffers from the same deficits that belie all religions.
As has been stated before, all religions can't be correct, but they can all be wrong.
@CliffStamp All religions cannot be correct because they conflict on foundational points: Origin of the Universe, Origin of life, Origin of man, Name(s) of the deity/deities, Nature of the deity. Moral absolutes, ... Take you pick.
A basic problem with religion is that the basic tenants are never subject to criticism. They must be accepted as true regardless of evidence to the contrary.
@drfoxcourt Ok, your objection is clearly defined, there appears to be significant conflict.
Now, as a simply question, if you and I conducted a sample of the world's population, say randomly getting 1000 names, would we get the same names? If not are our samples wrong?
Consider are all religions static, if they are not then it is obvious they responded to criticism.
If we can learn to be more compasionate than "God", than there is not "God" whatsoever. Goodness comes from reasoning. Evil comes from reasoning. This is bottom line stuff people. Your choice and ours. Take your pick...
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you people are so ignorant the mustard seed example is figurative language its not literal doesnt mean its going to happen it is just putting into perspective the power of faith!
@mooseflier I hate having to try to clarify stuff like this to people like you, mr. seriuspants.
you quote the one line, but right benieth it comes "Bow before our awesomness!" note the exclamation mark and the use of demanding worship, while claiming to be part of "awesomness", this is commonly used by jokesters around the world as a non-argumented claim, which in return gets a good response from the audience (note the thumbs up). I can refer you to comedians like Eddie Izzard for confirmation.
@mooseflier Maybe because that has already been proven. Science, opposed to dogmatic bullshit, doesn't need faith to prove it works. It's testable. If religion worked and it's supernatural claims were real, there wouldn't be need for faith or mystery or any of that crap. What i find most ironical about it, is that religious people even pretend to exhalt faith as a high virtue, when it's clearly not. So far, these people haven't even managed to prove their imaginary god is real.
@hellhammerz666 What the hell are you even talking about? You're rambling. It's hilarious to see someone who doesn't believe in God, and who even dislikes religion, use religious bullshit in their name! Funny, that is!
@mooseflier Oh don't mind my nick. I happen to like black metal music. That's all my nick is meant to project. Don't worry, i've already dealt with believers who have tried to use my nick against me, but it's simply a strawman, and i'm even getting used to it. My point still stands, care to adress it? Science relies on inquiry, religion relies on gullibility. Your god remains as an unproven fantasy.
I'm an atheist, tard. Reading AND comprehending are both requirements for a discussion. And regardless of where you got 666 from, it's still derived from religion.
@mooseflier Well, you certainly sound awfully religious, "tard". What you are doing is a simple red herring. Forget about my nick, irrelevant for the discussion, and even if you don't want to acknowledge what i told you about it, i was fair enough to clear it out for you. Don't wanna understand that? not my problem.
The point remains valid: god is an unproven fantasy, any god is. Not yours? I guess i owe you an apology for the misunderstanding.
@hellhammerz666 "Forget about my nick, irrelevant for the discussion"
No, it is, just had to clear that up for you... the origin of your silly nick. You don't have to accept it, it's enough to know I told you about it.
So what is your point if that's not it? Lets see... you made a comment about my God, even though I'm an atheist. You made some false comments about how science works, further showing your ignorance. What is your real point? You tell me. I don't think you even know! LOL
@hellhammerz666 So here's what really happened in your comments. You bungled your reading comprehension and thought I was a theist, so you started blathering at me as if I were one. I called you out on it... you got embarrassed, and now you're trying to make yourself not look so foolish. Apology accepted. Move on.
@mooseflier So yeah, i mistook (sic?) you for a theist for acting like one, then you came back bringing something irrelevant as a nick, and kept at it even though i told you why i picked it. Don't want to accept an explaination? Not my fault you want to look tough on the internet, sir.
Btw, there was no ignorance in my comment. Science relies on inquiry, without the need for faith. Dogma, on the other hand, relies on ignorance and gullibility. This is why i said gods were unproven fantasies.
@hellhammerz666 Still trying to dig yourself out huh? "there was no ignorance in my comment" The problem here is, I never said there was. I quoted some guy named Dvalinor. At which point you chimed in for no reason... other than you made a mistake.
It is a shame though, that we have atheists using religious symbolism.
"people are testifing being healed of aids, cancer, legs growing"
Anecdotal evidence doesn't count for much, and besides, I have yet to hear ANY claim of legs growing, yours is the first. Lets see if your prayer works using the scientific method.
"faith & ask God to expose himself"
I wonder how many millions prayed not to die in deathcamps, the mothers who prayed for their sons not to die - but died in war anyway.
@TurboDally god allowed men to make prostetics satan kills people if u read the bible it says sin is death and we are sinners so everone dies at some point those who complain are just trying to pin blame on him and because they think satans powerless
On Highway 2 in Washington state, past Monroe, before Goldbar there's a tiny roadside "Stop and pray" church that's big enough for one person to get in.
people are testifing being healed of aids, cancer, legs growing in line with the other 1 & so on but these dudes don't have the guts to step out in faith & ask God to expose himself to them which he be faithful to do because he loves these dudes & is desiring to connect with them grant them with eternal life. nuff atheist are testifing of finding faith in Christ & stepping into a real personal relationship with him. the message of the cross is foolishness to him thats perishing.
It seems to me that arguments like this play to and cater to one set of theists, the christians specifically in this case. When you argue against the supernatural, yet at the same time refer to "God" (capitalized) call it "He" and recognize "His" characteristics as recognized by a specific sect, then you are only arguing against one specific god and assuming that it is "THE" god, as if relevant while only the other gods are false gods.
Atheists don't refuse to commit suicide because they are afraid of hell. The refusal to willingly die is due to an innate impulse mechanism in living organisms that compels them to attempt survival.
This video is great, they've accurately explained what I've been trying to explain but couldn't do it as simple. When people cannot explain certain things scientifically YET, some christians call it an act of God. Years ago we couldn't prove that the earth revolves around the sun and they said it was God that moved the sun. Now that we can explain it, some christians ignore that and move on to something else science can't explain.
like i said , if you dont like it , you aint gotta accept it . its that simple . the bible already warn us about people like yall . so its all good . yeah keep blowing out hot air . here are the sign to look out for . THE NEW WORLD ORDER . THE SIGNING OF THE 7 YEAR PEACE TREATY IN THE MIDDLE-EAST . which the ANTI-CHRIST GOING TO BREAKIT IN 3 1/2 MONTH . and THE RAPTURE . now remember when rapture hit . dont think its alien abduction , i know the majority of yall is going to think that way .
How pathetic - that Christians have been prophesying that "end times" are imminent for two millennia - yet it still hasn't happened!
How pathetic - that you *want* the apocalypse to happen; that you want your earthly life to end as soon as possible so that you can go to your fantasyland.
How pathetic - that all you're presenting is assertion and anecdote. Try to present something called "evidence" (look it up) otherwise your assertions are valueless.
That's not very christian of you. You know what prophecy would have really impressed me? If they had predicted a peace treaty in asia as a sign of the apocalypse, not the place where they live.
[fagalele1] "ill [sic.] let you know what pathetic is. when i knock yo [sic.] dumb ass out"
Good luck with that. In the mean time, think about learning how to spell. Then look up the fallacy term "Argument from Force". Then realize that you have no reasonable argument to support your beliefs.
OH TEH NOES!! A retard making threats over the internet. Does anonymity make you feel like more of a man? Is the internet the only place you can feel like you have some balls jerk off? What a lovely christian just like the rest of your bumble fuck ilk.
I don't have a decent response so I'll make threats of violence over the internet. Great rebuttal by the way, it must have taken ages for you to come up with such a clever and witty remark.
@TheDoubtingApproach a thousand years is but one day to God, just remember that when your standing in front of God on the day of judgement. He will continue to endure with our longsuffering, but there will come a day when there shall be no more chances, better wake up and understand that God is calling you, dont refuse Him again, it might be your last opportunity.
Does Christianity provide its followers with a tangible benefit in this life that cannot be attained from another religion or other means?
In other words, does your God provide a benefit to his followers that's (i) unique, (ii) tangible, and (iii) in this life?
No such benefit has been presented so it's no wonder that you have to resort to appealing to people's fear or hell and lust for heaven. You're pathetic!
@TheDoubtingApproach The main point your missing is that most unbelievers, expect a sign, proof, or some tangible evidence of God's existance, before they put thier faith in God, and His Son Jesus. It clearly says in the bible that this wicked generation would in no way recieve a sign, except the one about the Son of Man spending 3 days in the heart of the earth, just as jonah did in the belly of a whale. So I'm sorry, but you need to show faith in God and Christ, before you will recieve a sign.
@Jesusthemessiahd4ms So, you're saying that your God can provide its followers with a unique, tangible benefit in this life. In which case, take this purported benefit to a credible scientific institution and have them empirically tests this tangible benefit that's attainable only from Christianity.
No such benefit has been verified by the scientific community despite the fact that an omnipotent God would be able to provide such a benefit and an omnibenevolent God would want to provide it.
@TheDoubtingApproach I don't have to make anyone believe anything, it's about them putting thier faith in Christ Jesus, and letting the holy spirit work through thier life. You can choose to at least try and seek Jesus, or you can continue down the road your currently going, it's your life, I'm only sharing the gospel, as I thank God for, because it took me quite a while to come to Christ. I refused every opportunity He gave me, until I was compelled to make a change, then it happened.
If faith is all you need as evidence then all other religions are correct. Terrorists have faith that what they are doing is the will of whoever they worship.
Funny how catholics use some items as evidence of god, and when questioned about the true nature of it they spawn the "you must have faith to understand it"... D'oh!!!
FATHER . YOUR THE ALPHA and OMEGA . BEGINING TO END . FROM AGE TO AGE . CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE . I GIVE HONOR AND GLORY CAUSE YOU WORTHY 2 BE PRAISE . YOU ARE SLOW TO ANGER BUT YOUR LOVE FOR US IS EVERLASTING . PLEASE FORGIVE THESE PEOPLE FOR THEY DONT KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT . THANK YOU FOR SENDING YOUR ONLY SON JESUS CHRIST TO SAVE US . NO MATTER WHAT THEY SAY YOU ARE KING OF KINGS . LORD OF LORDS . FAITH COME BY HEARING NOT BY SIGHT . AMEN
What exactly do you think this is achieving? Are you really so dense that you think paraphrasing scripture is going to accomplish anything here other than making viewers dislike religion even more?
then let it be . as a christian , my job is to preach GODs LOVE . so its up to every1 who reads what i wrote to accept it or not . JESUS said that people will mock you and spit at you , because of him . so do your worse . i tell you this though , im not scare of non of yall non-believers . JESUS said love every1 and thats what im going to do .
"JESUS said love every1 and thats what im going to do"
In an earlier comment you said that if it were up to you, we non-believers would already be wiped out. Maybe I'm not aware of how love can be so intolerant, but that doesn't sound like any kind of love I want anyway. That's like how an alcoholic, abusive spouse says the empty words "I love you" to their partner, just to try and seem like a good person.
once again yes i said if it were up to us .. but it aint up to us , cause it goes against our belief . jesus said to love every1 and thats what im going 2 do .
You still have a desire to eradicate people who think differently than you though. I could really give less of a shit about you obeying Jesus out of obligation. You have underlying mental problems that need to be addressed, not swept under the rug by religion.
if we were to live the way atheist want . crime will increase so fast , it wont be funny . do you know how many christian there are in this world ... ALOT .. now imagine all of them atheist . JESUS taught us to love our enemy and 4give them . without jesus in the world . i could walk up on any1 and start shootin . and dont care . who needs to go work when i could just rob any1 . slap yo mama and dont give a damn . who would care about the police anymore . the government .
"if we were to live the way atheist want . crime will increase so fast"
Unsupported assertion. The *opposite*, in fact, is the case. There are proportionately more Christians in US jails than there are atheists or agnostics. See this study for details:
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Yet another shining example of how religion and ignorance seem to go hand-in-hand. You're probably not aware of the multiple studies indicating a correlation between heavily atheistic countries and lower crime rates, are you? Google it.
So the only reason you don't steal and kill is because you think God tells you not to? I'd rather have real reasons for being moral, like wanting others to respect my rights and so agreeing to respect their rights too. The Golden Rule is not just for Christians.
No, it's not. All you've done is assert something. You haven't produced any evidence to support your assertion. Therefore your comment is as valid as this:
And Lo, the Flying Spaghetti Monster stretched forth His noodely appendage and bestowed great mountains of pasta sauce upon the world.
Try producing actual tangible evidence to support your claims, otherwise they're worthless.
All these guys do is bash a specific religion (typically Christianity). When will they attempt to tackle the bigger issue. Is Intelligent Design a valid theory or idea? Unfortunately, ID compares very well with Evolutionary Theory and I would hope that no one ever does do a comparison test with them. That would be pretty disheartening to see the parallels. Evolution, as described by Evolutionary Theory, is what we've all been taught since grade school. I hope they do not test our beliefs...
psford1 3 months ago
@psford1 ID compares with Evolutionary Theory the way an apple compares with an orange.
You want abiogenesis, friend. Evolutionary Theory deals with how things change over time, not where it came from.
TheGeneralCritic 3 months ago
@TheGeneralCritic Riiight? Whose side are you on? We cant ever use that analogy again - give the religious nutjobs more ammo. Apples and Oranges probably have more similarities than differences.
They rarely argue specifically against abiogenesis as it is understood that for Evolutionary Theory to be accurate its almost inherent that abiogenesis must be true also.
I dont understand, are you of a different religion than the rest of us active atheists? I dont know what you're saying?
psford1 3 months ago
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gods are imaginary
ndrthrdr1 4 months ago
i'm a catholic and seriously the bible is not to be taken literally.
casablanca4381 6 months ago
@casablanca4381 i know, it contains silliness such as virgin births, men walking on water, zombies and more...
ExcaliburClan 5 months ago
God Bless<333
lizzabethwilliams 7 months ago
I tried to sell my soul to the devil but I was disappointed to find no reply and no awesome satanic magical powers.
adam11mpls 8 months ago 9
I tried to test God, but nobody showed up to take the test.
twistedH3L1X 8 months ago 16
Funny how when religion makes testable claims, they fail miserably. But when they make untestable claims, they claim it's true still, since it hasn't been proven wrong....as if when it did become testable by future technologies, it would be proven correct. Haha!
Ledwix 8 months ago
a fellow brit? what's he doing in yankyville?
borisovicinovski 9 months ago
@borisovicinovski thats quite an offensive word
TheMCBADGER 9 months ago
@TheMCBADGER nah, I can say it. I was born in the states (SF). just messing man :D
borisovicinovski 8 months ago
To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary.. To one without faith, no explanation is possible.
muzalot 10 months ago
@muzalot ur analogy is flawed here ~To one without faith, no explanation is possible.~ can you rewrite that. its like your saying we wont believe anything.
emanrulez1 8 months ago
@emanrulez1
The statement stands as is, it doesn't need rewriting.. Atheists by rule don't believe anything they cannot quantify..
muzalot 8 months ago
@muzalot "Atheists by rule don't believe anything they cannot quantify"
Wth does that mean? May I remind you that budhists are atheists?
nejtilsvampe 4 months ago
@nejtilsvampe
OK, I believe you know what "quantify" means so obviously your not asking what my statement means, your merely disagreeing.. I likewise disagree with you in that buddhists are atheists.. They would more accurately be described as non-theists or agnostic-theists, not to be confused with atheism or the strong believe that there is no being as absolute and immutable G-d..
muzalot 4 months ago
@muzalot atheism is not a belief that there is no god, it's a lack of belief, and there IS a difference. The difference being that atheists are not 'claiming' they know, that is anti-theists or gnostic atheists. And budhists by definition have lack of belief in a god, therefore they are by definition atheists, even though they might say they don't know (I don't claim to know either, but I am an atheist). You're probably an atheist in regards to Freia and Apollon aswell etc.
nejtilsvampe 4 months ago
@nejtilsvampe
Claims that atheism is not a belief or that atheism and agnosticism have the same definition are certainly debatably.. While some atheists may indeed be agnostics the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy says; "Atheism means the negation of theism, the denial of the existence of God." Furthermore, DENIAL is not merely a lack of belief in God, it is in fact an assertion about something one strongly believes..
muzalot 4 months ago
@muzalot An agnostic is a type of atheist.
FunkyWhitePimp 4 months ago
@muzalot
I have absolutely no faith in gravity, yet I accept the explanation for the theory of gravity. Analogy doesn't work.
Charmolution 8 months ago
@Charmolution
"Analogy doesn't work" is simply not true.. Sigmund Freud wrote that analogies prove nothing but a good one may help to clarify the issues..
anyway, i can't decide whether your more ignorant about faith or gravity.. while it's true that gravity is reliable whether or not one has faith in it, it's also true that a large application of misguided faith is involved in clinging to a misguided and soon to be obsolete 20th century theory of gravity..
muzalot 8 months ago
@muzalot
Yeah, analogies help clarify things when they're accurate. Too bad yours is inaccurate.
Charmolution 8 months ago
@Charmolution
Too bad you haven't said anything intelligible to show that it was inaccurate and for your information my comment was a "comparison and contrast" which is not quite the same thing as analogy..
muzalot 8 months ago
@muzalot
You said that a person without faith cannot accept an explanation. I proved you wrong. What do you not understand?
Charmolution 8 months ago
@Charmolution
Giving yourself credit for proving me wrong is a joke.. you don't understand what faith is, you don't understand what gravity is, and now you show me that you don't understand what proof is..
muzalot 8 months ago
Guys, I tried debating 1tabligh in the past. The guy literally copy and pasted half his comments and doesn't actually care what you write. He doesn't respond to rational debate or acknowledge when you answer his questions, and just keeps posting rhetorical questions over and over. Ignore him.
KazeKirin 11 months ago
Hey i already acknowledged my mistake, yet you still try to use my nick as a strawman. I already told you where it comes from, so how about we drop this stupid argument around trivial stuff such as nicks?
Metal, can you understand it? I dont give a crap where you think i got my nick, it's completely irrelevant if you even fail to understand the actual reasons. Wanna continue? Be my guest.
hellhammerz666 1 year ago
There is no test for God but an analysis of his scat would be a good start. I can hear the scientist now. "Hey, I found some undigested corn in God's turd. I guess he did make man in his own image."
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nebogipfel11 1 year ago
Somehow the christian god is like the three Stooges... at least when you consider that his devotees are led by his "intelligence".
tmafkap 1 year ago
@tmafkap Then how can the atheists delude themselve and believe that hydrogen and oxygen, electrons and protons, should first produce themselves, then be the source for all other beings, and finally decree the laws that regulate themselves and the rest of the material world?
1tabligh 1 year ago
@1tabligh "Delude themselve" is the christian's profession, atheists scarcely do that. Your comment makes your lack of education obvious, and 500 characters ain't enough to fill those vast gaps of knowledge inhabited presumably by your god, so please (with sugar on top) go and at least try to get some scientific education. "God" is always that which must not be understood or questioned, therefore "god" marks the beginning of ignorance.
tmafkap 1 year ago
@tmafkap Is it at all feasible to regard all the geometry, functioning and movement of the universe as the outcome of matter in its ignorance?
1tabligh 1 year ago
@1tabligh Yes, it is. You imply the duality of matter and spirit, which is a false dichotomy. There is lots of evidence for the objective existence of matter, but no evidence for the objective existence of anything spiritual.
tmafkap 1 year ago
@tmafkap Should the scientist, who is aware of the natural causes and of the factors determining each step of creation towards perfection, of mankind's evolution, of the minute accuracy and exactitude that rules every change in the nature that surrounds us, come to believe that these wondrous laws and amazing interactions have somehow *fortuitously* emerged out of *mindless* matter?
1tabligh 1 year ago
@1tabligh Well, everything is better than believing that some savage tribe of raping and pillaging desert dwellers living 3,000 years ago somehow figured out some kind of higher truth about the origin of the universe or life within it. So either you start to learn and educate yourself, or you keep asking stupid questions while being mentally enslaved to some fantasy character that's controlled by perverted priests.
tmafkap 1 year ago
@tmafkap How can it be supposed that belief in the existence of God is the acceptance of contradiction, whereas belief in the uncaused nature of an effect such as matter is not contradictory?
How could it be believed that matter should itself be the origin of millions of attributes and characteristics and thus be the equivalent of the purposeful, wise and all-knowing Creator?
1tabligh 1 year ago
@1tabligh Read your questions closely, you answer them by yourself. Shows that you know the answers, but you prefer to dumb yourself down (for whatever reason) and remain ignorant.
tmafkap 1 year ago
@tmafkap Is it logical to say that belief in God is peculiar to those who know nothing about man's composition and creation, and that, by contrast, a scientist who is aware of the natural laws and factors responsible for man's growth and development, who knows that law and precise calculation preside over all stages of man's existence, is bound to believe that matter, lacking all perception and consciousness, is the source of the wondrous laws of nature?
1tabligh 1 year ago
@1tabligh You don't understand what "logic" is, so go and educate yourself. And while you're at it, go and learn about the problem of theodicy, then you'll see one of the many aspects where especially the christian fairy-tales are that illogical that you will quite possibly come to the conclusion that people believing in the christian myths are not entitled to use the word "logic" at all. And now stop trolling by repeating the same bullshit in varying formulations and GO EDUCATE YOURSELF, moron!
tmafkap 1 year ago
@tmafkap Is it not more logical to posit the existence of intelligence, will and planning in the creation of and ordering of the world than to attribute creativity to matter which lacks intelligence, thought, consciousness and the power to innovate?
1tabligh 1 year ago
@1tabligh No, it ain't. Now let me ask you a question, and be careful: you have to answer instead of just posting more questions and ignoring everything I post as reply. Just for the sake of argument let's say science finds evidence for some creator, but there is no way that the real creator of the universe could be identical to the god of the bible or any other abrahamic religion: would you worship the real god or would you stick with the idol created by the abrahamic tradition of your choice?
tmafkap 1 year ago
@tmafkap Belief in the existence of a wise creator is without doubt more logical than faith in the creativity of matter, which has neither perception, consciousness, nor the ability to plan; we cannot attribute to matter all the properties and attributes of intelligence that we see in the world and the ordering will that it displays.
1tabligh 1 year ago
@1tabligh So, you pathetic troll avoid to answer a question (only one) that you've been asked, yet you insist on keep on asking your stupid and ignorant questions. I'm done with you. Frak you, brainwashed piece of shit.
tmafkap 1 year ago
@tmafkap you, brainwashed piece of shit.
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The argument of an IGNORANT!
So much science for this uncivilized brainless pseudo-Scientific Demagogue!
Hiding your ignorance and arrogance under your stupid pretext of "you, brainwashed piece of shit."!
Dodging ALL the questions and quibbling in vain!
Is science too heavy for you to comprehend?
Ever heard "Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference."? ...
1tabligh 1 year ago
You still don't get it, do you?
I have already in my inbox more then 10413 replies from wannabes monkeys, teachers, profs, scientists etc!
What makes you think, you are a special wannabe monkey?
No wasting time!
Talk science and answer the questions otherwise clock off!
Stupid brainless cuckoo atheist with asinine mind!
1tabligh 1 year ago
@1tabligh "Talk science and answer the questions otherwise clock off!"
It's clear you don't know science, as I shoved it up your ass a while back and you didn't blink... you're just too use to taking up the poop-shoot!
mooseflier 11 months ago
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@mooseflier Then how can you delude yourself and believe that hydrogen and oxygen, electrons and protons, should first produce themselves, then be the source for all other beings, and finally decree the laws that regulate themselves and the rest of the material world?
1tabligh 11 months ago
How could some of the scientists permit themselves to make a claim that would necessitate knowledge as extensive as the scheme of the universe, when their knowledge of the total scheme of being is *close* to zero, when confronted with a whole mass of unknowns concerning this very earth and tangible, lifeless matter, let alone the whole universe?
1tabligh 1 year ago
Do scientific discoveries and knowledge cause such a scientist to conclude that matter, *** unknowing and unperceiving ***, is his creator and that of all beings?
How is that for YOUR "you, brainwashed piece of shit. " and answer the questions instead?!
Stupid brainless cuckoo atheist with asinine mind!
1tabligh 1 year ago
@1tabligh I answered all your questions, yet you kept on asking the same shit. Mainly your questions boil down to a big so called "argument from ignorance": you don't understand science, so what you believe in has to be the valid explanation.
Well, the term "brainwashed" seems to have triggered something within you... maybe you start to realize something...
Also: check who you're talking to before making false assumptions. For example, I'm not an atheist.
tmafkap 1 year ago
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@tmafkap
Poor fella!
What realistic scientist, sincerely given to seeking the truth could claim today that while a kidney transplant is the result of centuries of continuous scientific research and experimentation, the structure of the kidney itself reveals no trace of a creative intelligence and will, being the product of mere nature—nature which has no more knowledge or awareness than a kindergarten pupil?
1tabligh 1 year ago
@1tabligh You believe in magic... you are indeed brainless. You should be embarrassed, there's no excuse to be this ignorant.
mooseflier 11 months ago
Is it at all possible that the cells of the body should learn their functions, pursue their aim in a precise and orderly fashion, and crystallize so miraculously in the world of being, without there being a conscious and powerful being to instruct them?
Is it not rather the case that phenomena such as these prove and demonstrate, with the utmost emphasis, the need for a plan, a design, a guiding hand inspired by conscious will?
1tabligh 1 year ago
Humans testing God?
Well, turnabout's fair play, I guess.
;)
SinnFein4ever 1 year ago
@SinnFein4ever Yeah, the almighty god gets emotional when we humans try and test his might.
dadiddlydooda 1 year ago
@dadiddlydooda
There's a word for that kind of personality...
It's called "Bi-Polar".
;)
SinnFein4ever 1 year ago
blindly, every person on earth already knows the damn truth. ha (at the time you fall into a deep sleep, to the time you wake) has been said to be the "cousin of death". simply because you just dont feel anything. -its gonna be the (same shit) when we actually die.. yet we wont have dreams, there wont be a HEAVEN, there wont be a HELL, we wont wake up to a later time.. -its basically being unaware of everything. -you dont know if you died or not, til you wake up. you jus gotta accept naturality.
HookahFreakSuva 1 year ago
The earth is 6k years old.
The end of time has been stated to be eminent for 2k years.
That means, the bible has an error rate worst then 50% of the age of the earth according to them. Thats TERRIBLE stats.
Bible is worse then a book that state theres 10 billion humans on earth, 25% of which dont believe in god, but 60% believe in the bible. The rest are demons.
Flem1337 1 year ago
Russell Glasser's smile and intelligence grows on me every time, its incredibly sexy ..
Too bad he's not gay or into Japanese, I wld like to impress him with my intelligence too.. haha !
88feji 1 year ago 2
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88feji 1 year ago
The question actually should be: SHOULD we ?
And the answer is already there: NO.
Do you like to be tested ? Don't think so...
oztronix 1 year ago
Every mainstream religion has taken thier own "interepation" of the bible, except judaism. That includes, but is not limited to: hinduism, buddist, muslim, among many others. I'm not going to buy it for one second, that christianity has survived these thousands of years, just by hearsay and people maintaining the practices of christianity. Think about it, if these people worshipped a God, and felt nothing, then why on earth would they continue to serve His Son Jesus. that logic makes no sense.
Jesusthemessiahd4ms 1 year ago
@Jesusthemessiahd4ms So simply because something has been around for two thousand years, means that this length of time automatically gives it supreme veracity? Bullshit, you're dead Jew Christ has had two millennia to show his face, and he hasn't. People are free to worship whatever sky daddy, enslave their minds, and even build their holy buildings. But to decide supreme truth when you haven't even got evidence for you're "god", is not something you can accomplish
viletree 1 year ago
@Jesusthemessiahd4ms
Nobody is doubting that people feel something. The question is what it is that they really feel.
How it lasted for 2000 years is pretty simple: It was made the state religion by Emperor Constantine, who made sure the entire Roman Empire became Christian. Then the church came to power and Christian nations played landgrab while imposing their faith on natives through violence or more politics. Short answer: It's been piggy-backing.
laflugantabastardo 1 year ago
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@Jesusthemessiahd4ms "if these people worshipped a God, and felt nothing, then why on earth would they continue to serve His Son Jesus. that logic makes no sense."
People continue to worship God because they are indoctrinated early in life. Same principle applied to Muslims, Hindis, Buddhists. You are indoctrinated too.
People need very little coincidence to affirm their indoctrinated beliefs.
drfoxcourt 1 year ago
@Jesusthemessiahd4ms Hinduism predates the Bible, it is hard for it to come from it.
CliffStamp 1 year ago
I don't think I will ever fully understand how an atheist thinks. I mean if christianity was a false religion, or is made up of lies, then how could it of lasted for close to 2,000 years? I mean there have been at least a couple hundrend other religions between then and now, that claim to be the right one, and have fallen apart. If christianity is a false religion, then the foundation should of crumbled a while ago. How can it still be standing, and don't tell me that people and thier gossip.
Jesusthemessiahd4ms 1 year ago
@Jesusthemessiahd4ms ... lots of religions has been around as long as christianity, so your point isnt valid.
sage0857 1 year ago
@Jesusthemessiahd4ms Buddhism is older and still has many followers. Does that make Buddhism correct. Every religion relies as much on early indoctrination as the others. There is no testable evidence demonstrating proof positive for any of them.
Christianity suffers from the same deficits that belie all religions.
As has been stated before, all religions can't be correct, but they can all be wrong.
drfoxcourt 1 year ago
@drfoxcourt How come all religions can not be correct?
CliffStamp 1 year ago
@CliffStamp All religions cannot be correct because they conflict on foundational points: Origin of the Universe, Origin of life, Origin of man, Name(s) of the deity/deities, Nature of the deity. Moral absolutes, ... Take you pick.
A basic problem with religion is that the basic tenants are never subject to criticism. They must be accepted as true regardless of evidence to the contrary.
drfoxcourt 1 year ago
@drfoxcourt Ok, your objection is clearly defined, there appears to be significant conflict.
Now, as a simply question, if you and I conducted a sample of the world's population, say randomly getting 1000 names, would we get the same names? If not are our samples wrong?
Consider are all religions static, if they are not then it is obvious they responded to criticism.
CliffStamp 1 year ago
@Jesusthemessiahd4ms You may want to be careful there, Islam is growing at a rate which far exceeds Christianity, does that mean it is more right?
CliffStamp 1 year ago
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No.
It just means that Muslims breed like rabbits.
SinnFein4ever 1 year ago
So god doesn't like to be tested SO he has never sat any exams SO he has no qualifications.
lewisner 1 year ago
If we can learn to be more compasionate than "God", than there is not "God" whatsoever. Goodness comes from reasoning. Evil comes from reasoning. This is bottom line stuff people. Your choice and ours. Take your pick...
alwerks1 1 year ago
Is Jeff Dee, Matt Damon's brother?
OTSTRETFORD 1 year ago
Testing prayer is quite easy to do.
Ramshobraja 2 years ago
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you people are so ignorant the mustard seed example is figurative language its not literal doesnt mean its going to happen it is just putting into perspective the power of faith!
Dominicankon 2 years ago
Faith is powerless in the face of science.
Bow before our awesomness!
Dvalinor 2 years ago 46
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What are you talking about atheism is a faith.
NoComment0531 2 years ago
not too bright are you?
types10000 2 years ago 2
@NoComment0531
How is it possible to have faith in nothing? You have to have faith to believe, not have no beliefs.
Faith is belief without tangible proof. That is the definition of faith. So please explain how it takes faith to NOT believe.
cpynch 1 year ago
@NoComment0531
Yup, just like NOT collecting stamps is a hobby ...
tdjdk 1 year ago
"Faith is powerless in the face of science."
Why is it that those with the least understanding of science talk with such authority about such things? Education people... education.
mooseflier 1 year ago
@mooseflier I hate having to try to clarify stuff like this to people like you, mr. seriuspants.
you quote the one line, but right benieth it comes "Bow before our awesomness!" note the exclamation mark and the use of demanding worship, while claiming to be part of "awesomness", this is commonly used by jokesters around the world as a non-argumented claim, which in return gets a good response from the audience (note the thumbs up). I can refer you to comedians like Eddie Izzard for confirmation.
Dvalinor 1 year ago
@Dvalinor "I hate having to try to clarify stuff like this to people"
Then don't! Jesus... not that hard to figure out.
mooseflier 1 year ago
@mooseflier Sigh...
Dvalinor 1 year ago
@Dvalinor Sigh indeed.
mooseflier 1 year ago
@mooseflier Maybe because that has already been proven. Science, opposed to dogmatic bullshit, doesn't need faith to prove it works. It's testable. If religion worked and it's supernatural claims were real, there wouldn't be need for faith or mystery or any of that crap. What i find most ironical about it, is that religious people even pretend to exhalt faith as a high virtue, when it's clearly not. So far, these people haven't even managed to prove their imaginary god is real.
hellhammerz666 1 year ago
@hellhammerz666 What the hell are you even talking about? You're rambling. It's hilarious to see someone who doesn't believe in God, and who even dislikes religion, use religious bullshit in their name! Funny, that is!
mooseflier 1 year ago
@mooseflier Oh don't mind my nick. I happen to like black metal music. That's all my nick is meant to project. Don't worry, i've already dealt with believers who have tried to use my nick against me, but it's simply a strawman, and i'm even getting used to it. My point still stands, care to adress it? Science relies on inquiry, religion relies on gullibility. Your god remains as an unproven fantasy.
hellhammerz666 1 year ago
@hellhammerz666 "Your god remains as an unproven fantasy."
I'm an atheist, tard. Reading AND comprehending are both requirements for a discussion. And regardless of where you got 666 from, it's still derived from religion.
Swing and a miss I guess... care to try it again?
mooseflier 1 year ago
@mooseflier Well, you certainly sound awfully religious, "tard". What you are doing is a simple red herring. Forget about my nick, irrelevant for the discussion, and even if you don't want to acknowledge what i told you about it, i was fair enough to clear it out for you. Don't wanna understand that? not my problem.
The point remains valid: god is an unproven fantasy, any god is. Not yours? I guess i owe you an apology for the misunderstanding.
hellhammerz666 1 year ago
@hellhammerz666 "Forget about my nick, irrelevant for the discussion"
No, it is, just had to clear that up for you... the origin of your silly nick. You don't have to accept it, it's enough to know I told you about it.
So what is your point if that's not it? Lets see... you made a comment about my God, even though I'm an atheist. You made some false comments about how science works, further showing your ignorance. What is your real point? You tell me. I don't think you even know! LOL
mooseflier 1 year ago
@hellhammerz666 So here's what really happened in your comments. You bungled your reading comprehension and thought I was a theist, so you started blathering at me as if I were one. I called you out on it... you got embarrassed, and now you're trying to make yourself not look so foolish. Apology accepted. Move on.
mooseflier 1 year ago
@mooseflier So yeah, i mistook (sic?) you for a theist for acting like one, then you came back bringing something irrelevant as a nick, and kept at it even though i told you why i picked it. Don't want to accept an explaination? Not my fault you want to look tough on the internet, sir.
Btw, there was no ignorance in my comment. Science relies on inquiry, without the need for faith. Dogma, on the other hand, relies on ignorance and gullibility. This is why i said gods were unproven fantasies.
hellhammerz666 1 year ago
@hellhammerz666 Still trying to dig yourself out huh? "there was no ignorance in my comment" The problem here is, I never said there was. I quoted some guy named Dvalinor. At which point you chimed in for no reason... other than you made a mistake.
It is a shame though, that we have atheists using religious symbolism.
mooseflier 1 year ago
oh god please let me have free blowjobs and money please come on fuck fuck you nonegzint god!!!!!!!
xxsubzeroxxxx 2 years ago
"people are testifing being healed of aids, cancer, legs growing"
Anecdotal evidence doesn't count for much, and besides, I have yet to hear ANY claim of legs growing, yours is the first. Lets see if your prayer works using the scientific method.
"faith & ask God to expose himself"
I wonder how many millions prayed not to die in deathcamps, the mothers who prayed for their sons not to die - but died in war anyway.
TurboDally 2 years ago 14
@TurboDally god allowed men to make prostetics satan kills people if u read the bible it says sin is death and we are sinners so everone dies at some point those who complain are just trying to pin blame on him and because they think satans powerless
windscar1993 1 year ago
@windscar1993 God is still pretty much the ultimate cause for pain, since he allows satan to exist.
DisembowelMe 1 year ago
@windscar1993
Yes, in your 'holy' book, satan kills 2 ppl, atleast 1 with god's blessing -
god kills, or demands the killing of way over 2 million - what's your point?
tdjdk 1 year ago
Atheists FTW!!
ArrogantAtheist 2 years ago 5
screw you
RAMEN!
lol
sulthus 2 years ago 3
My friend and I broke into a church before. He shit in a bucket. It was called the "Bucket of Love". Lulz ensued. No one died.
BanditMilom 2 years ago
You naughty person, you should not break into other ppls buildings!
Nail a paper that shows thier hypocrisis to thier door... much more fun
C0ldking 2 years ago 9
On Highway 2 in Washington state, past Monroe, before Goldbar there's a tiny roadside "Stop and pray" church that's big enough for one person to get in.
Yeah... you know where this is going...
WeedGreenPowerRanger 2 years ago
@BanditMilom Puerile pranks don't impress.
GermanChocolateCake 1 year ago
I wish I could get this show on my local PA. Keep up the good work.
herrrrunsamok 2 years ago 3
i love "the magic man who can do everything" thing
pensego 2 years ago 3
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people are testifing being healed of aids, cancer, legs growing in line with the other 1 & so on but these dudes don't have the guts to step out in faith & ask God to expose himself to them which he be faithful to do because he loves these dudes & is desiring to connect with them grant them with eternal life. nuff atheist are testifing of finding faith in Christ & stepping into a real personal relationship with him. the message of the cross is foolishness to him thats perishing.
truwarrior4christ 2 years ago
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truwarrior4christ 2 years ago
kill chickens D:
Unknnnnn 2 years ago
Test which god?
It seems to me that arguments like this play to and cater to one set of theists, the christians specifically in this case. When you argue against the supernatural, yet at the same time refer to "God" (capitalized) call it "He" and recognize "His" characteristics as recognized by a specific sect, then you are only arguing against one specific god and assuming that it is "THE" god, as if relevant while only the other gods are false gods.
wrjamescom 2 years ago 7
God is alive and well!
SummerSunshine1988 2 years ago
test God... = commit suicide if you're that interested
nonameneeded07 2 years ago
God is mutually exclusive from an afterlife.
Fatimus 2 years ago
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mainman9000 2 years ago
Atheists don't refuse to commit suicide because they are afraid of hell. The refusal to willingly die is due to an innate impulse mechanism in living organisms that compels them to attempt survival.
One should not fear the nonexistent.
mainman9000 2 years ago 3
God did it and he can use all this magic stuff... classic
Tremordeth 2 years ago
This video is great, they've accurately explained what I've been trying to explain but couldn't do it as simple. When people cannot explain certain things scientifically YET, some christians call it an act of God. Years ago we couldn't prove that the earth revolves around the sun and they said it was God that moved the sun. Now that we can explain it, some christians ignore that and move on to something else science can't explain.
tonebone0011 2 years ago 6
"But not as awesome as you!"
LOL. Oh I sort of want that to actually happen just to spite the creationists.
PurushaDesa 2 years ago
"ill let you know what pathetic is. when i knock yo dumb ass out ."
LOL! The grammar and spelling mistakes are perfect. That comment is pure comedy. I <3 Youtube.
KrnBlackWannabe 2 years ago
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Come to Jesus all
71Warrior4Jesus 2 years ago
you mean jesus is a jerk-off-file?
theists are really strange!
ahr8p 2 years ago
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fagalele1 2 years ago
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like i said , if you dont like it , you aint gotta accept it . its that simple . the bible already warn us about people like yall . so its all good . yeah keep blowing out hot air . here are the sign to look out for . THE NEW WORLD ORDER . THE SIGNING OF THE 7 YEAR PEACE TREATY IN THE MIDDLE-EAST . which the ANTI-CHRIST GOING TO BREAKIT IN 3 1/2 MONTH . and THE RAPTURE . now remember when rapture hit . dont think its alien abduction , i know the majority of yall is going to think that way .
fagalele1 2 years ago
How pathetic - that Christians have been prophesying that "end times" are imminent for two millennia - yet it still hasn't happened!
How pathetic - that you *want* the apocalypse to happen; that you want your earthly life to end as soon as possible so that you can go to your fantasyland.
How pathetic - that all you're presenting is assertion and anecdote. Try to present something called "evidence" (look it up) otherwise your assertions are valueless.
TheDoubtingApproach 2 years ago 42
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ill let you know what pathetic is. when i knock yo dumb ass out .
fagalele1 2 years ago
That's not very christian of you. You know what prophecy would have really impressed me? If they had predicted a peace treaty in asia as a sign of the apocalypse, not the place where they live.
louvsco 2 years ago 3
[fagalele1] "ill [sic.] let you know what pathetic is. when i knock yo [sic.] dumb ass out"
Good luck with that. In the mean time, think about learning how to spell. Then look up the fallacy term "Argument from Force". Then realize that you have no reasonable argument to support your beliefs.
Try again.
TheDoubtingApproach 2 years ago 6
OH TEH NOES!! A retard making threats over the internet. Does anonymity make you feel like more of a man? Is the internet the only place you can feel like you have some balls jerk off? What a lovely christian just like the rest of your bumble fuck ilk.
sabboth42 2 years ago
I don't have a decent response so I'll make threats of violence over the internet. Great rebuttal by the way, it must have taken ages for you to come up with such a clever and witty remark.
BobtheNarc 2 years ago
@TheDoubtingApproach a thousand years is but one day to God, just remember that when your standing in front of God on the day of judgement. He will continue to endure with our longsuffering, but there will come a day when there shall be no more chances, better wake up and understand that God is calling you, dont refuse Him again, it might be your last opportunity.
Jesusthemessiahd4ms 1 year ago
@Jesusthemessiahd4ms Really? Is that all you have - threatening hell?
Does Christianity provide its followers with a tangible benefit in this life that cannot be attained from another religion or other means?
In other words, does your God provide a benefit to his followers that's (i) unique, (ii) tangible, and (iii) in this life?
No such benefit has been presented so it's no wonder that you have to resort to appealing to people's fear or hell and lust for heaven. You're pathetic!
TheDoubtingApproach 1 year ago
@TheDoubtingApproach The main point your missing is that most unbelievers, expect a sign, proof, or some tangible evidence of God's existance, before they put thier faith in God, and His Son Jesus. It clearly says in the bible that this wicked generation would in no way recieve a sign, except the one about the Son of Man spending 3 days in the heart of the earth, just as jonah did in the belly of a whale. So I'm sorry, but you need to show faith in God and Christ, before you will recieve a sign.
Jesusthemessiahd4ms 1 year ago
@Jesusthemessiahd4ms So, you're saying that your God can provide its followers with a unique, tangible benefit in this life. In which case, take this purported benefit to a credible scientific institution and have them empirically tests this tangible benefit that's attainable only from Christianity.
No such benefit has been verified by the scientific community despite the fact that an omnipotent God would be able to provide such a benefit and an omnibenevolent God would want to provide it.
TheDoubtingApproach 1 year ago
@TheDoubtingApproach I don't have to make anyone believe anything, it's about them putting thier faith in Christ Jesus, and letting the holy spirit work through thier life. You can choose to at least try and seek Jesus, or you can continue down the road your currently going, it's your life, I'm only sharing the gospel, as I thank God for, because it took me quite a while to come to Christ. I refused every opportunity He gave me, until I was compelled to make a change, then it happened.
Jesusthemessiahd4ms 1 year ago
@TheDoubtingApproach
Indeed...
Katalyzt 1 year ago
If faith is all you need as evidence then all other religions are correct. Terrorists have faith that what they are doing is the will of whoever they worship.
Funny how catholics use some items as evidence of god, and when questioned about the true nature of it they spawn the "you must have faith to understand it"... D'oh!!!
davcar23 2 years ago
FATHER . YOUR THE ALPHA and OMEGA . BEGINING TO END . FROM AGE TO AGE . CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE . I GIVE HONOR AND GLORY CAUSE YOU WORTHY 2 BE PRAISE . YOU ARE SLOW TO ANGER BUT YOUR LOVE FOR US IS EVERLASTING . PLEASE FORGIVE THESE PEOPLE FOR THEY DONT KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT . THANK YOU FOR SENDING YOUR ONLY SON JESUS CHRIST TO SAVE US . NO MATTER WHAT THEY SAY YOU ARE KING OF KINGS . LORD OF LORDS . FAITH COME BY HEARING NOT BY SIGHT . AMEN
fagalele1 2 years ago
What exactly do you think this is achieving? Are you really so dense that you think paraphrasing scripture is going to accomplish anything here other than making viewers dislike religion even more?
TaylorX04 2 years ago 2
then let it be . as a christian , my job is to preach GODs LOVE . so its up to every1 who reads what i wrote to accept it or not . JESUS said that people will mock you and spit at you , because of him . so do your worse . i tell you this though , im not scare of non of yall non-believers . JESUS said love every1 and thats what im going to do .
fagalele1 2 years ago
"JESUS said love every1 and thats what im going to do"
In an earlier comment you said that if it were up to you, we non-believers would already be wiped out. Maybe I'm not aware of how love can be so intolerant, but that doesn't sound like any kind of love I want anyway. That's like how an alcoholic, abusive spouse says the empty words "I love you" to their partner, just to try and seem like a good person.
TaylorX04 2 years ago
yes i said , if it were up to us . but then i also said . JESUS said love every1 and 4give . dont try 2 get my words twisted .. homie .
fagalele1 2 years ago
Again, you said: "JESUS said love every1 and thats what im going to do"
Note that last part. Perhaps you should be trying harder if you think that wanting every non-believer to be wiped out is compatible with loving us.
TaylorX04 2 years ago
once again yes i said if it were up to us .. but it aint up to us , cause it goes against our belief . jesus said to love every1 and thats what im going 2 do .
fagalele1 2 years ago
You still have a desire to eradicate people who think differently than you though. I could really give less of a shit about you obeying Jesus out of obligation. You have underlying mental problems that need to be addressed, not swept under the rug by religion.
TaylorX04 2 years ago
if we were to live the way atheist want . crime will increase so fast , it wont be funny . do you know how many christian there are in this world ... ALOT .. now imagine all of them atheist . JESUS taught us to love our enemy and 4give them . without jesus in the world . i could walk up on any1 and start shootin . and dont care . who needs to go work when i could just rob any1 . slap yo mama and dont give a damn . who would care about the police anymore . the government .
fagalele1 2 years ago
"if we were to live the way atheist want . crime will increase so fast"
Unsupported assertion. The *opposite*, in fact, is the case. There are proportionately more Christians in US jails than there are atheists or agnostics. See this study for details:
h[t]tp[://]holysmoke[dot]org/icr-pri[dot]htm
Take out and replace the square brackets accordingly
Your assertion is flawed.
TheDoubtingApproach 2 years ago 4
Yet another shining example of how religion and ignorance seem to go hand-in-hand. You're probably not aware of the multiple studies indicating a correlation between heavily atheistic countries and lower crime rates, are you? Google it.
So the only reason you don't steal and kill is because you think God tells you not to? I'd rather have real reasons for being moral, like wanting others to respect my rights and so agreeing to respect their rights too. The Golden Rule is not just for Christians.
TaylorX04 2 years ago 3
Father, help this poor child with his grammar and terrible use of the English language. Amen
TheDoubtingApproach 2 years ago 2
lol .. i kinda wrote it fast without really paying attention of what i was writting . but its all good though .
fagalele1 2 years ago
No, it's not. All you've done is assert something. You haven't produced any evidence to support your assertion. Therefore your comment is as valid as this:
And Lo, the Flying Spaghetti Monster stretched forth His noodely appendage and bestowed great mountains of pasta sauce upon the world.
Try producing actual tangible evidence to support your claims, otherwise they're worthless.
TheDoubtingApproach 2 years ago
you aint got no evidence to support yours . my faith is the only evidence i need . faith comes from hearing the word not by sight .
fagalele1 2 years ago
Give him a break, circular logic works because circular logic works.
BobtheNarc 2 years ago
"Jesus Protects Us From Being Poisoned" by EdwardCurrant watch?v=5yD_Igdn9BQ
MrFacet 2 years ago
Oh wait, he dies at the end.
MrFacet 2 years ago