the jab is not the end of the game. If your opponent had not lost balance before he finished the strike he'll be striking again right away. Which is what would have happened to you should your partner not play along. The speed is not the issue - timing is.
Also the jab is the fastest move that exists. It is not physically possible to do a tenkai or tenkan in the time it takes somebody to jab, or move in any longer trajectories than the jab
dont forget you are not restricted to only aikido in a fight you can block punch kick and move learn the flow of your opponents body and yours use aikido as a skill of feel and awareness stop trying to be so pure in your critics of this art in a fight if you irimmi do it fast and commited you may get hit but your in and then to exicute people who have been in a fight relize they need more than one plan or to react with right move avoid the grand one move kill idea it makes cool movies but ?
i just started taking aikido classes about 6 weeks ago and gotta admit it seems very difficult to get to a point where it becomes second nature to know how to execute these moves so smoothly like in this vid...i really want to be able to perform at this level...just wonder if any body thats been doing aikido for awile how long does it take to where you start feeling like you can perform at this level or close to this level??
Most people DO throw a jab like that normally because they are too drunk or too scared or just plain don’t know how to box. As far as anyone one able enough, boxer, MMA or whatever and the proficiency of the Aikidoka, techniques like Iriminage and kotegaeshi DO work, especially when a correct jab is thrown. FYI, Aikidoka uke submits to nage’s application because if they did not, tendon or even bone damage can occur.
and i do hope tori isn't the sensei of this school. The defence is loose and tori could easily slip free. You look worn out, half assed during the demo, like you don't want to be there. If the arm isn't taken tightly, or if the throw isnt implemented with passion, the guy is just going to stand there blinking at you.
erm it's an ok demo, aikido does work against a jab if you train that way. Two problems. 0:40 he stops short of his face purposly, that's either poor response on toris part, or bad ma ai on both uke and tori's parts. Also, there's no way you could implement any of these techniques without using atemi. People think aikido is 'fake' because they're never shown counter strikes in the demos and this vid doesn't help. To defend against any punch you need to distract with a strike of your own.
The uke in this clip is doing a very poor job of his role. He is passive and heavy, responding with little if any sensitivity to nage's actions. Making a habit of this kind of ukemi limits the speed and force with which nage can practice technique and creates dangerous martial habits in uke.
I agree with lloydybench. This is a poor jab. There is no real entrance into a properly executed jab. Irimi is nearly impossible unless uke really gives away the attack. However, ma-ai, de-ai, and zanshin can help uke feel the rhythm of the attack and then follow up with a counter. Also jabs open up the lower portion of the body. A properly placed low kick to the groin or lower will throw off uke's timing giving nage time to counter. This is what we work on in our aikido classes.
Thanks for checking out my videos and your constructive criticism. This attack is not part of classical Aikido training, and I am not trained in boxing. I am always interested in improving realism and technical effectiveness. This feedback is helpful. Cheers!
thats ok, i am not a trained martial artist but I havetaken up aikido recently (only 2 lessons so far) I find that it is most relevant in todays word as the "average" person to confront you in the street is more likely to push you or grap you by the scruff first. Which is why I think that aikido is the most effective self defence. But I have yet to witness a true jab demostration. A boxer when jabbing is sure never to leave his fist out for very long. Like i said tho I am no expert.
True, it is not wise to leave your hand out after punching. Uke should be withdrawing his hand when possible. However, if there is contact established as the punch is thrown (as there is in a number of these techniques), this affects uke's ability to withdraw and gives nage a chance to control uke's balance. Aside from that, this vid shows movement against an attack where uke is sliding instead of stepping in to his attack, as is usually the case in Aikido practice. Good luck with your training!
the jab is not the end of the game. If your opponent had not lost balance before he finished the strike he'll be striking again right away. Which is what would have happened to you should your partner not play along. The speed is not the issue - timing is.
Also the jab is the fastest move that exists. It is not physically possible to do a tenkai or tenkan in the time it takes somebody to jab, or move in any longer trajectories than the jab
ennot 3 months ago
dont forget you are not restricted to only aikido in a fight you can block punch kick and move learn the flow of your opponents body and yours use aikido as a skill of feel and awareness stop trying to be so pure in your critics of this art in a fight if you irimmi do it fast and commited you may get hit but your in and then to exicute people who have been in a fight relize they need more than one plan or to react with right move avoid the grand one move kill idea it makes cool movies but ?
cabfa18wg 5 months ago
i just started taking aikido classes about 6 weeks ago and gotta admit it seems very difficult to get to a point where it becomes second nature to know how to execute these moves so smoothly like in this vid...i really want to be able to perform at this level...just wonder if any body thats been doing aikido for awile how long does it take to where you start feeling like you can perform at this level or close to this level??
uzavas 9 months ago
Most people DO throw a jab like that normally because they are too drunk or too scared or just plain don’t know how to box. As far as anyone one able enough, boxer, MMA or whatever and the proficiency of the Aikidoka, techniques like Iriminage and kotegaeshi DO work, especially when a correct jab is thrown. FYI, Aikidoka uke submits to nage’s application because if they did not, tendon or even bone damage can occur.
crossriflecom 1 year ago
and i do hope tori isn't the sensei of this school. The defence is loose and tori could easily slip free. You look worn out, half assed during the demo, like you don't want to be there. If the arm isn't taken tightly, or if the throw isnt implemented with passion, the guy is just going to stand there blinking at you.
KurtCobain198666 1 year ago
erm it's an ok demo, aikido does work against a jab if you train that way. Two problems. 0:40 he stops short of his face purposly, that's either poor response on toris part, or bad ma ai on both uke and tori's parts. Also, there's no way you could implement any of these techniques without using atemi. People think aikido is 'fake' because they're never shown counter strikes in the demos and this vid doesn't help. To defend against any punch you need to distract with a strike of your own.
KurtCobain198666 1 year ago
The uke in this clip is doing a very poor job of his role. He is passive and heavy, responding with little if any sensitivity to nage's actions. Making a habit of this kind of ukemi limits the speed and force with which nage can practice technique and creates dangerous martial habits in uke.
nwaikikai 2 years ago
I agree with lloydybench. This is a poor jab. There is no real entrance into a properly executed jab. Irimi is nearly impossible unless uke really gives away the attack. However, ma-ai, de-ai, and zanshin can help uke feel the rhythm of the attack and then follow up with a counter. Also jabs open up the lower portion of the body. A properly placed low kick to the groin or lower will throw off uke's timing giving nage time to counter. This is what we work on in our aikido classes.
bushin64 2 years ago
this is poor, a jab is not a jab unless the fist returns to its origional possition, people don't jab like this.
lloydybench 2 years ago
Thanks for checking out my videos and your constructive criticism. This attack is not part of classical Aikido training, and I am not trained in boxing. I am always interested in improving realism and technical effectiveness. This feedback is helpful. Cheers!
KiWorkshop 2 years ago 3
thats ok, i am not a trained martial artist but I havetaken up aikido recently (only 2 lessons so far) I find that it is most relevant in todays word as the "average" person to confront you in the street is more likely to push you or grap you by the scruff first. Which is why I think that aikido is the most effective self defence. But I have yet to witness a true jab demostration. A boxer when jabbing is sure never to leave his fist out for very long. Like i said tho I am no expert.
lloydybench 2 years ago
True, it is not wise to leave your hand out after punching. Uke should be withdrawing his hand when possible. However, if there is contact established as the punch is thrown (as there is in a number of these techniques), this affects uke's ability to withdraw and gives nage a chance to control uke's balance. Aside from that, this vid shows movement against an attack where uke is sliding instead of stepping in to his attack, as is usually the case in Aikido practice. Good luck with your training!
KiWorkshop 2 years ago