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  • i been running null and void to counter maxx C in my wind up deck been going pretty good.

  • 2 Veiler and 2 Maxx C for every "normal meta deck " 3 Maxx C and 2 Veiler for Plants and 2 Veiler , 1 Maxx C and 1 Crow for Chaos.

  • in conclusion spend money to make money and play wit casual players to have fun yugioh has unfortunately reached unfair sacky area till march (witch will hopefully fix that) until then expect to see wind ups, insector, ins/wind-up until march everywhere there's nothing we can do about it play or quit

  • you make the staples according to your deck i main 2 d.fissures so i don't run maxx c or veiler it depends on what is your strategy to beat the meta decks that are really gay now such as the wind up loop, where is people touch of originality?

  • @kaviedesg D-fissure doesn't really hinder the loop you know that right? Xyz materials aren't considered to be monsters therefore they still go to grave, only the xyz will get removed.

  • @atllasv1 i never said that d.fissure will stop the loop i just said that the loop is gay, in y deck i main d. fissures so my staples anre a kind of different no veilers. maxxc or reborn i mean that you should play what you like to play not necessarly waht everybody is running

  • @kaviedesg It just seemed like that was what you were inferring. The loops are stupid, that is why any person who has access to maxx c with a deck that can use it, should run it. If played right its essentially pot of greed.

  • @ SkullyMan73 that maybe so in your area. ( or maybe online.) but in my area. add all the cards together will get you over 100 for sure. once again, this is "MY" area. it maybe different from yours.

  • if you play too many staples you lose consistency with your decks strategy causing you to lose more

  • Konami is rich because of stupid staples. XD Maybe thy should make easier to get goodies. Like the purplythrony dragon, that card is beautiful.

  • @ SkullyMan73 i'm sorry, my caps locks just happen to be a typing habit, just like how you've got a thing with using "pretentious " and a"ignorant" all the time.

  • @SkullyMan73 ALSO, i've play yu gi oh for quite a long time too, if i consider people who play yu gi oh future-less, then that would be saying the same for myself. you really have no logic when it comes to trying to making a point.

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  • @huangyt9 I dont want to have a flame war with you on this guys channel - its rude to everyone else. Check T&T for prices, nothing he mentioned is $100+.

  • @SkullyMan73 ON top of that, YOU DID MENTION STAPLES IN YOUR COMMENT. YOU focused on the trying to say that most of staples are now cheap. AND I on the other hand try to focus on the expensive ones. and no, i didnt say it was over 260+ i said it was over 100. AND that's ONE copy of EACH card. will cost over 100. damn it, YOU HAVE TO READ PROPERLY. IF you consider me as ignorant based on YOUR understanding, then YOU THINK I CARE? you can understand things your way, i will stick with mine.

  • @SkullyMan73 i didn't read the comment right below your's just now, i take the first statement back. ( because you've figured out that you mentioned staples)

  • LMFAO I'm the one that made that comment. Good to know you know what you're doing.

    But in all seriousness.. really dude? I was kidding with the 30 staples, but you really did push it saying that you need those 3. Almost all my decks have about 12-16 staples. 18 MAX, but the extra are just there for fun. I can hold my own and win 80%+ of my games, so maybe you're just doing it wrong. On a side note, at least we know you somewhat read feedback.

  • @SkullyMan73 ALSO, please get your math right. if you add up the prices of all the cards that mkohl40 consider staples, you will hit OVER 100.

  • @huangyt9 No ones telling you to drop the full 260+ (150MaxxC's, 75 Fiendish, 40 for veilers) all at once, you accumulate them over time, and if you've got any sort of job you've got to have a disposal income. What you chose to do with it is your choice. Also i didnt say anything to you about staples. Your comment was full ignorance. You assume he has no future, you assume he has no job, all because he's got a passion for yugioh. I think you sound pretentious as all hell.

  • @SkullyMan73 I misread my comment, guess i did use the word staple. Still i stand by my stance that you're a pretentious child thats got a thing for CAP LOCKS.

  • @SkullyMan73 you need to look carefully at what i said. i didn't say staples. nor did i mention specific cards. i do know that most staples are cheap. ie solemn brigade and etc. what i am saying is not all the people out there can afford to spend lots of money on the SPECIFIC FEW THAT YOU MENTIONED. before you even comment to me about how i am NOT GETTING THE POINT, maybe you should fix up on your reading skills. READ carefully BEFORE YOU TYPE.

  • Man ya'll have no concept of money. Going out on a single night costs you like 50+ bucks, and all you get afterwards is a shitty hang over (and kidney damage). You spend 50+ on a a cards (once) and you save yourself liver problems later in life (or one week a Maxx C one week boozin). We've all got to choose our hobbies. Also whats with this misconception that staples are expensive? Yeah a few are in the 50+ range, but most are pretty cheap.

  • Mkohl40, your a great guy but honestly dude stop saying you need something that expensive just to win. That's Konami talking, get them out of your head and play the game. I'm not saying don't use staples I'm just say stfu and have fun and do it while being competitive and the oly way you will truly be competitive is by using your mind over money.

  • No, staples aren't important, helpful but not important you don't need them at all w/ exception on the solemn brigade but that's it. You my friend have the wrong idea on how the game should be played. Your concept of the 30 staples is bull, why? Because as I said we don't need them, people can win against a top tier deck and survive without staples, use them when needed if needed but in all reality they're not needed. If that was the case every one would be raging over Heavy storm.

  • everybody, come play pokemon!

  • many staples are becoming too expensive.

  • dude, i think you need to understand that not everyone out there can afford and spend like..100+ on a card game. you need to know that people don't sit around 24/7 and simply play cards as oppose to actually going for a FUTURE. maybe get a decent job etc. if we spend all our money on cards, and sit around and play. our result. would be YOU. which is NOT what ANY OF US WOULD WANT TO BE.

  • @huangyt9 Too bad most staples are in common form (or cheap super rare forms) so your point is completely mute and ignorant. Don't come on a yugioh channel and complain about paying for pieces of card board, you signed up for it when you decided to play yugioh. Go play with a ball or something, one time cost and unlimited fun (if you're into that kind of stuff).

  • i wuld run them just cant afford them

  • @TeamGreatWall unfortunately Gemini Imps does not work on them because Wind-up Hunter says "send one card" to the graveyard on its effect and Gemini Imps says negate an effect that discards...

  • if you want to make free money, send me a message

  • wind-ups are good, but if you stop their output of xyz monsters by just using your solemns and smashings on the xyzs their vurturally dead. thats my opinion, wind-ups are good but they have weaknesses like every other deck, stop talking shit robbie, there are plenty of ways to beat any deck

  • Why are Wind-ups so good? And also, wouldn't Gemini Imps be good against them?

  • @TeamGreatWall there good because when they take cards out of your hand you have less out's to beat them and no because gemini imps is only when it discards hunter says send

  • I hit the like button the second you said "Dice Roll Format". Absofuckinglutly! Wake me in March!

  • cards that are secret rare here and common in japan ruin the game such as max c, but then again konami just wants to make money in america

  • King Tiger Wanghu says hi to Inzectors and Wind-Ups... and Plants... and Tour Guide.

  • @Musicon14 tengu says hi to wanghu

  • @achram093 I didn't list Tengu for a reason ;)

  • true wind ups are freaking broke and staples are important for any reason in casual and especially competitive.

  • the bottom line is that they game is always getting faster and faster. when i started 2 years ago every opening move was summon lvl 4 beater, set two. it was slow and fun beyond belief. the meta was also sooooo huge. frog monarch, infernities, sabers, glads, blackwings, even lightsworn and heralds. now all of these decks are gone because they arent fast enough to beat chaos plant synchro tour guide tengu bullshit, and wind ups. either they need to slow the shit way down, or speed up the classics

  • Well maybe if i fucking had one. 

  • @xAbstracttzx Maxx C

  • This is why my interest in yugioh is quickly diminishing... Its so competitive, in order to actually win you have to have the best cards possible and if you try and play for fun you're going to get your ass stomped.

  • hella... u have been taking to jesse too much

  • I think the addition of wind ups, and inzektors do cause some problems, but just like when someone figured out leeching the light works against agents, I'm sure it's only a matter of time B4 someone gets creative and figures out a card or 2 to shut down those decks as well... staples are great, but with new cards come new plays.... & not everyone can afford a set of chains, Maxx C's, Veilers etc. etc.....

  • I think the problems is and always has been simple... Broken cards ruin this game. Atleast from player stand point. Yeah xan still be creative and build a deck of your own but there are so many broken fucking cards that u cant win against the autopilot builds like windups or agents or plants or tourguide or dino rabbit unless u are playing one of those yourself.

  • @Plasterman1337 yes it is a staple you dont realize got good it is

  • Decks can be competitive without filling them up with staples. It's takes a lot more time to find out what works, but it can be done. Unfortunately, most players don't want to use their brains to build something they can truly be proud of, they would rather net deck. One of the main reasons I subbed to you is because you don't seem to have meta vision (pun on tunnel vision). You can be creative when you want to be. Don't lose what little respect I have for you.

  • @linny177 You need a certain amount of staples. You have to use dark hole, you have to use monster reborn. Veilers are going to be staple with all the ridiculous monsters effects (especially the wind-ups). I admire people who try to add alternative choices but i dont admire people who think using staples means "you dont have a brain". Thats like saying "Forget guns, i want to be unique and use swords!", its admirable but unrealistic.

  • @SkullyMan73

    I use staples as a way to cover for my weaknesses after I've put together what I can and still have space. I have a significant amount of success building decks with this method, and never felt that if I just added more staples, I would win more often. Alternative methods are some times the best methods. You can't just simply say that every deck functions better if made primarily out of staples. To do so is ignorant. Like guns, swords are more useful under different circumstance

  • @linny177 I'd like to hear your scenario where guns trump swords. Maybe in an extremely, extremely, extremely specific situation, but this is a game of chance and you have to assume the most versatile option that can handle everything. Staples are cards that have generically good effects, and can cover any situation.

  • @SkullyMan73

    you mean swords trump guns? The most obvious benefits to a sword is theres no ammo to reload, and it's more effective close range.

    This game doesn't rely solely on luck. Deck building and skill play a very important role in a persons success. The most versatile option often sacrifices consistency, and speed. Lower tier decks rely more on those attributes than others.

  • @linny177 Not trying to troll or anything, but I think its really harsh to say he has meta vision. Sometimes, you can fuck everyones shit with the best idea ever and in my opinion, thats the best kind of yugioh.. And sometimes, its a dice roll format. If you have the money cards, good luck and if you dont, have fun.

  • @TeamBlitzkriegInc

    Perhaps a little. It's still very presumptuous of him to express him opinions as if they were fact.

  • @linny177 thats valid. but thats how everyone is on their meta opinions. everyone thinks they are right. lol.

  • @TeamBlitzkriegInc

    I just want whats best for the game. I don`t really care how we get there.

  • i decided im gonna build the staple deck

  • Honestly I think wind-ups are a little over-rated. Yeah they are good and all that, but they won't always have the cards to loop you. And even then, like you said, if you get to go before they do, you can stop them. If wind-ups built around the loop have the loop stopped, they literally lose almost all their power. Warning, Vieler, Maxx C, whatever. Just stop them and you're good. You don't need 30 staples to be prepared. They're rolling the dice too. And honestly I beat wind-ups 70% of the time

  • @ZygonCannar i personally think that wind-ups are really inconsistant and they cant make the loop without zenmaigthy or tour guide so in the next ban lis i think there gnna go out and ppl cant say they wont cuz there new cuz they have been playing in the ocg for a really long time know.

  • I agree that that alot of staples are necessary, but i would say that Triple Maxx C is 2 much, I say that play 2 of each Veiler and Maxx C, they do VERY different things. but Mkohl40, do you consider D.D. Crow a staple for the upcoming format? its something i have been thinking about because it could ruin an inzektor combo in an instant but at the same time feed they're leviair.

  • @TheDuelistTroll id say crow is a side deck card

  • i think you're half right. of course staples are really good but i dont think they are absolutely necessary for every deck. cuzz i have a lot of decks that doesnt use all the staples that are considered as staples. think about it

  • Calm down buddy. Yugioh isnt life -.-

  • @iAle201 what lol wtf he just giving his Thought -- not saying anything crazy here lol

  • @iAle201 he wasnt ranting so why dont u calm down lol

  • Thumbs up if you want to see mkohl40 do the fat boy dance

  • So should a deck be exactly 75% staple cards? Or should it just be somewhere around that?

  • holy shit wtf cheese? 30 staples? 3solemns torrential mirror force heavy storm dark hole monster reborn 3mystical space typhoon. whats the other 19 staples. i don't even have them all, but still i can make a nice deck.

  • Another Wind-up DICK RIDER!!

  • Ha Ha Ha, i wanna make a fat joke so bad, but he does have a point honestly, its just called meta and anti meta for those that know...

  • JUST throught you would wanna know, A user named wEnok3173= is using your Black Wing deck on DN, the one you topped at tournies with

  • @TsubasaNoAMV2nd he doesnt care. If he cared he wouldnt have posted it

  • great video im sharing and adding to fav

  • The funny thing is that there will be so many staples there will be a new deck called staple deck....

  • @GamersRole that would be what we older players used to call "Cookie Cutter" or "CC"

  • @GamersRole There already is. I like to call it Tour Guide Tengu Thunder King Plants.

  • @GamersRole that's basically what plants is

  • @GamersRole you mean plants?

  • @GamersRole plants is pretty close to that lol!

  • I run T.G. Stun and I win :) I side the Effect Veiler and Maxx C :P

  • @SealFormulaMaster how can you compare ocg and tcg, we have so many exclusives that make our top tier differ from there's, wind-ups I predict will top 32, but I still think the Plant synchro deck(Billy brake cookie cut deck) will take it, followed by rabbit, and karakuri, darkworld, maybe agents, and possibly inzectors as well, I don't see ninjas topping at all(even though I wanna play them) like robbie says there's casual players, ima little bit of both. Staples FTW

  • @darknessat1134 Plants die with wind-ups, plus rabbit is already the better deck compared to plants anyway.

  • I have been running a Holy Mark Dragon deck without Maxx C, Torrential, Solem, Mirror Force, Pot of DUality, Dark Hole, and Heavy Storm and my deck is doing just fine :)

  • Sticks fingers in ass, Keeps waving them in the face to smell them. /Smart.

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  • But you can't deny that that comment was pretty funny.

    Locals not equals regionals not equal YCS.

    When I go competstively, my side deck is just about 13 cards different than when I'm at locals.

  • @BboySuperFreeze Sidedeck is all about the meta. if you had 25+ people that played top tier stuff at locals then Sidedeck WOULD be the same as a Regionals or a YCS lol... it's all about the current meta that you are in, regardless of where

  • @OblivianTy7 dang it, i guess my locals is loaded with scrubs. truthfully it is. my friend and i made a bet. he gave me a shoebox of commons. and made me enter a saturday tournament. i went 1st place. most competative deck i faced was blackwings (this was x2 black whirlwind format) long time ago. havent been to that locals in a long time.

    all i used were normal monsters, equipt spells to power up the monsters, and pure beatstick (XYZ wasnt out) and gadgets.

  • I agree but i still cant afford it... -.-

  • i built a deck to spam 1st turn kristya just because of wind ups lol

  • Right you are robbie

  • What I find interesting is that many decks right now dont need money cards to do well. How well did Agents do without Tour Guide? Dark Worlds without Tour Guides? Gravekeepers without Tour Guides? What about the OCG Meta? Many decks they use are decks we can play and build now or will be able to play and build now, and those decks do really well.

  • @SealFormulaMaster It's all about the player and draw consistency.

  • @SealFormulaMaster none of the decks you named can beat rabbit wind ups or ninjas

  • @CJisSoBroken Yes, right now they cant. Ive not touched my Agents in awhile, I may build them again to test against these decks. All in all though, most Meta decks will beat most other Meta decks when they go first. As people said below, its a Dice Roll format, and its true too. Wind-Ups WILL lose when they go second. It doesnt matter what the deck is, they WILL lose. Depending on the deck, Rabbit Dino may lose going second as well. I cant speak for ninja though, as Ive yet to see the deck.

  • @SealFormulaMaster thats why your a bad player,the wind up loop handles game 1 the side side wins game 2/3 the only card that hurts a good player playing wind up is gozen match and rivelry maxx c is easy to play around and so is veiler If you a GOOD player but you cant realize the deck has so many different things it can do not just loop...Rabbit is amazing me and my team are playing it for atl except carl waite.check the chanel out protino4 rate comment subscriber 9ycs/nats tops combined.

  • @CJisSoBroken Not going to say if Im a good/bad player, as it really doesnt matter. Its the internet and everyone believes everything, right? Yeah, Im Adam Corn. /End sarcasm

    Seriously though, heres why any deck loses the first game on die roll. Most decks have antimeta splashed in. Rabbit, Dark World, even Lightsworns. Since the meta is fast, its all about getting your control cards quickly to protect big plays. Wind-Ups, without protection and control, will fail against a swarm/control deck.

  • @SealFormulaMaster My point is the only deck that hurts is rabbit because of the dolkka every other match up is easy cause the side deck is sooooo good and no one will ever see it coming the deck makes exceeds like crazy the loop isnt the big thing thats only what the hype is about. If u can make 2 zenmains a zenmaioh a utopia /roach turn one whats my opponent going to do? lets say he opens first with raioh 2 backrow im still forcing 3 of his cards nd makin multiple exceeds

  • @CJisSoBroken What I think your missing is if he opens with Rai-Oh and 2 backrow, you still have to be wary of the backrow. Unless you open with Heavy, theres a chance they have the Warning. If not Rai-Oh, they can still negate your Rat, Guide or Captain. That means you either have to spend loads of resources you may not have or wait until you can answer the Rai-Oh and backfield next turn. Since the only answer most decks to a first turn Rai-Oh is another Rai-Oh, not much you can do on turn 1.

  • @CJisSoBroken any remotely good deck can beat those 3 decks. never say that a certain deck can't beat those 3 decks. and...REALLY?! ninja's??? wtf

  • @EastDutchYGO Thats the type of mind state that keeps you from toping a ycs let alone a top8 at a regional. and yes ninja is really good it has 3 free d draws a monster that comes out for free and says you cant kill my backrow and a Nigja(Nigga+ninja)that searches out the WHOLE ENTIRE FUCKING DECK. like wtf........ how is that not good?

  • @CJisSoBroken still no answer to my question. what are the other 19 staples then? and how does it keep me from topping a YCS? i just think it keeps me from having an empty wallet. it's that type of narrow minded people who think they need to spend over 9000 on those so called 30 staples because they think they'll need it to win. and about ninja's: i just don't think they're good. and search out a WHOLE ENTIRE FUCKING DECK is just hanzo 3 of em. look at gishkiTHE WHOLE DECK SEARCHES

  • @EastDutchYGO i dont use this channel and yes ninja is broken and i can make a 1000 dollar bet atleast 2 will top atl

  • @CJisSoBroken it's narrow minded people like you that ruin this game. Creativety? what's that? and where did it go? people don't fucking need 3 tourguides, 3 tengus, BLS 3 maxx "c"s to win, it's just that nobody has creativety anymore and just net decks / dick rides other peoples asses because the deck they made can win. so afcourse it seems like a deck that is used more wins than decks that aren't used often because they are out numbered.

  • @EastDutchYGO I seriously doubt that you play without Monster reborn, heavy storm, and dark hole in like 90% of your decks.

    Why are you being so uncreative? why not try winning WITHOUT those staples? Have you ever asked yourself why they're staples? Well, you see, it's because they're too damn good in this game to pass up. SO now consider that cards like TGU are hella more powerful than 99% of the other cards. it's a staple. same goes for other money cards, Don't be a hypocrite.

  • @EastDutchYGO Ok number one your a idiot. number 2 if you dont play maxx ur a idiot number 3 If you "theory" is flawed because if decks made top 32 why would players like Robert Dimartino One of my teammates who has 4 tops with the same deck 3 years in a row and my other Teammate carl waite who has 3 tops with the same deck constantly top Number 4 your a idiot. Number 5 check out our channel protino4 and learn some things.IDIOT

  • @SealFormulaMaster you cant really consider ocg meta vs our meta its completely different

  • The player who goes first needs to discard 1 at the end phase. Then everyone would fight for 2nd... or would they. Thats what I mean. It is a great new rule they need to impliment.

  • I have not watched the video but the title is so very true.

  • TENTH :DD

  • Yep. Dice Roll Format. It is :)

  • I agree. Solemn judgment and solemn warning is good against gemknight fusion.

  • seventh because the ass below me screwed it up

  • so what do you consider to be the 30 staples I'm just curious

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