stupid coward and blockhead speech ever given... why you the fucker filthy beasts went to Vietnam.... who gave you the right to involve ur fucking selves in other country's affair.... pile of dirt....
@ASOD2010 Not just a viet cong commie, but a ruthless murder of women and children. The man who executed this heartless monster had his life ruined by a photograph that appears to something ruthless, when in fact, the guy doing the shooting was an american ally and an officer, and the one being shot was a coward and a murderer.
It was a war and it was his brother from the South who killed him. Things would be so much different if it was a US soldier who did that. The US gets so much crap from stuff like this, but barely anyone talks about the atrocities that the Viet Cong did, without Ho Chi Mihn's permission.
Interesting how everyone believes the police chiefs words that "he killed an entire family"
Ofc he says that, it just justifies the execution even more.
You and I both don't know if he really killed a family or not. We only have the police chiefs word on it. And I personally would not trust that U.S backed scumbag for one minute. The only thing we know is that he killed a handcuffed and beaten man with a bullet to the head.
The Laws of War prohibit military operations in civilian clothes. That VC officer had exactly no rights to protection under either the Laws of War or local Vietnamese law. If the prisoner had committed an atrocity in civilian clothes, he could be shot without violating any law.
Given that the massacres the VC commited in Hue, I find it entirely credible that the VC was trying to kill the families of policemen (thereby discouraging them from serving).
@lipovan87 As I wrote, we only have the police chiefs own words on it. That VC could have just gotten capture in combat and shot. Anyway R.I.P Unknown VC guerilla, you fought hard and your people achieved it's goal by getting rid of american forces and the south vietnamese forces.
@Ogasso yeah, like he was a hero. he was fighting for Soviet influence. They were threatened by the soviets more than by Americans. Soviets preached about freedom, but they never gave any.
RIP? Really? did you bother to look into this story at all? That guy was the leader of a VC Death squad responsible for murdering local police and their families (including children)
The man (Nguyễn Văn Lém) he had shot was a worse criminal, executing civilians (women and kids) in cold blood and all. Consider how weak the South Vietnamese security was. If you were South Vietnamese would you want that man just one bribe away from being on the warpath again?
@afeeder I take your point. I haven't researched this, but all I'm saying is, had it been a westerner, then its possible war crime charges would have been brought. Although, look at Robert Mugabe - man's a maniac - no one's keen to take him down....
He should be if he was a westerner. Westerner POW camps were much more secure than Vietnamese prisons, and zero Westerner soldiers were secretly Vietcong sympathizers, whereas countless South Vietnamese soldiers were.
"Although, look at Robert Mugabe - man's a maniac - no one's keen to take him down.... "
Its pretty hard when you get elected president afterwards no matter where you are from. Slobodan Milošević wasn't arrested until he ceded an election he was losing
@afeeder Strip away all the BS and its all about power and the 'old boy's network'. It stands to reason; if you want something from a country, you don't upset its people or rulers. Look at Libya - now he's no longer needed, Ghadafi is removed. But a few years ago, everybody (Tony Blair included) was trying to curry favour with him.
my father was a Chinese national, his father (my grandfather) at the time was in prison as a suspected communist/enemy, both his older brother's were studying at the University of Hanoi, etc. So yah, my father was 9yrs old at the time, but the VC used kids all the time, so boom blow his head off...so what, it's a war right?
think of this, my father in Saigon when he was about 9yrs old turned on a radio at a local cafe and it happened to be on a North Viet communist radio station; a military officer there jumped out of his seat and pointed a gun to my dad's head; ready to blow his brains out thinking he was some VC spy until the cafe owner ran over and calmed him down. Now if the officer did kill my dad right then, he probably would have gotten away with it, considering my dad's family background...
There is controversial military study claiming that huge majority of soldiers of every army don't want to shoot on enemy soldier and that only 20% of them really do their "job" in combat. 80% shoot willfully somewhere else. Reluctance rate is even more higher if enemy is real close, highest if he can see face of enemy soldier. The same study (american) claims that hardly 2% act like those "heroes" of films and remarkable many of them are psychopaths.
kindly look up the difference between communism and dictatorship
communism in vietnam or china isn't the same as in N-korea...american governments are run by corporations moneymachine..if i'm not mistaken that is called facism
@TheNovaAxon Huh? no judgment? what the fuck are you? a lawyer? judgement is something we all have even if you don't like it. Wars are one thing, crimes other, read the fucking geneva convention, it doesn't matter if it's a war that doesn't give you right to commit crimes the end dumbass.
you quote a part of his sentence...are you retarded??? he was pointing out that everyone has the capacity to commit murder..in this case if a mother's child be killed, she would have reason to repay in kind.
what is disgusting is misquoting people and state it as fact...that's why people die for no reason other than the reason of greed by others who present it as "fact"
all of these vietnam problems can be blamed directly to the Kennedys..Ho Chi Minh approach the Kennedy administration for help but Jackie, Kennedy's wife was French...so Kennedy sided with France instead...France being imperialistic and not keen on losing their former colony started the Vietnam war with American help...The rest is history...so sad so many innocent people had to die
@010bobby Yea but Kennedy said he didn't want to go to war, next president i don't who was went to Vietnam, Nixon rat lied and didn't retire but was the mayor criminal.
FYI I'm just a university student, not a propaganda. We have islam here, and my GF fully workship her god. I don't want to talk more with peoples like you ( a little rude here but my English is not too good) because the result alway is the same Why don't have a tour in Vietnam and watch it with your eyes , I suggest Da Nang city.
@JoshuaMai1: When you get out of uni, why doncha try to form your own political party? Why doncha try to pursue some political goal independent of what your governing party approves. See what happens when you do that. If your government is so woderful, why did they have to lock up 10s of thousands in "re-education camps" (that is concentration camps) when they forced their government on the people? Ask your prof. about the re-education camps, I dare you.
@VictorLepanto My grandfather and his brothers were on the re-education camp. He had worked for the south gorvenment. After 2 years learning, he came home and worked like a normal citizen. And he lived well till today. It's hard for our family some time after the war. But now, we are equal and able to do what we want. I don't intended to join the party anyway. But I'm working hard for my country and can't stand anybody said ill about it. VN nowaday is a lot different than it in the past.
And, FYI, HCM used both nationalism and communism as means to free Vietnam from colonists. Even in early 1930s, Soviet-controlled Comintern disciplined him for not following their rules about applying Stalinism. You didn't live in North Vietnam during wartime, so how can you know what HCM did? Or you just heard from "free world's" sources? I feel funny when reading your comments, as they're like the propaganda in Cold War era. Just a bunch of obsolete anti-communist arguments.
The Geneva Conference' final declaration in 1954 is just a dirty game of world powers. About France, they though who they were? They suffered heavy defeat in the battle of Dien Bien Phu, so they had no right to be demanding about advantageous terms for them! So ridiculous that they demanded for a long time to retreat from Viet; they demanded to divide Viet at 17th parallel. Yes, France, not the US, was the most shameless loser. What a lucky loser that even demanded benefits from the winner!
Even if Vietnam had unified in 1956 under communist regime of Ho Chi Minh, certainly it would have been much better than the division of the country in 21 years and a bloody war that caused the death of 2-4 millions people. I hate France and its cruel allies. I hate USSR and China. Nearly no countries treated Vietnam well. Free world or communist bloc? They all used Vietnam as a chessman for their political conspiracies. No excuse for them.
Yeah so more American boat people fled to Nova Scotia, as it's a typical happening in big regime changes - glad you conceded that. P.S. They also burned down the White House when you attacked Canada (and failed of course) in 1812.
OK, ever hear of the "Pentagon Papers"?! Even you can't be that ignorant - it was all US gov analysis of the situation up until Tet - it constantly concludes everybody supports the North and Vietcong hence "overwhelmingly strong politically" We were strong Mil.
LIBYA- NATO- rebels: ethnic cleansing of the town of Tawerga with 10,000 inhabitans !
Look how intelligently the newspaper manipulates ethnic cleansing in the title !
telegraph. co. uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8754375/Gaddafis-ghost-town-after-the-loyalists-retreat.html officer of the rebels: "We said if they didn't go, they would be conquered and imprisoned. Every single one of them has left, and we will never allow them to come back."
As you watch this video & see this picture, keep one thing in mind. You are watching a psychopathic murderer more heinous then Charles Manson being put down. This man was the leader of Einsatzgruppen like mass murder squad. This man was literally doing this same thing to CHILDREN in their beds. He was the LEADER of group which had bee ORDERED to do this. He was an evil little toad of man following orders from men no better then himself.
@leftoverpoet: Really? Then why was this man shooting him? Who are these men actually? I tell you truth, if was in the position of that Vietnamese patriot, I'd have shot down the monster myself. As surely as if I'd have shot down an Eichman or Menegele. That is the kind of people who made the Communist Vietnamese. Don't you doubt it.
@VictorLepanto You silly ignoramus - you are the Eichman in this scenario if you support this wanton traitor. You must be an American to have such an awesome level of ignorance. Shame on the sad institutions that educated you.
@leftoverpoet: Ho Chi Mihn was the traitor, like most communists. They are ALL Quislings, going back to Lenin who worked w/ Russia's enemies in WWI. Ho was an agent of the Soviet Union & carried a Soviet passport. He used to entice real Vietnamese nationalist to visit him in China. He'd try to recruit them as Soviet agents. If they refused to become collaborationist for another imperial power, Ho would turn them over to the French Secret Service. To be communist is to be a traitor.
@VictorLepanto The over whelming majority of the Vietnamese population supported the NLF as documented in American studies revealed in the Pentagon papers. That's why the South V. Gov collapsed so quicklly once the US pulled out.
@leftoverpoet: & you know this from what election or popular referendum? You consulted what Vietnamese to make this determination?
Has it ever penetrated your ideology addled mind that the LITERALLY millions of of Vietnamese who escaped on rickety boats & risked pirates & drowning are only a small fraction of those who would have wished to escape if they could? If you think it is so wonderful to live under the communist goons, go live there yourself. Narcissistic hypocrit.
@VictorLepanto It was first determined by the Eisenhower administration and it was the CIA and Bernard Fall's assessment that the NLF were overwhelmingly strong politically. CIA too left wing for you? What a joke you are. Incidentally a higher per capita percentage of American Loyalists fled to Nova Scotia after the American revolution than fled Vietnam after the NVA victory.
@leftoverpoet: You should read a book on the CIA called A Legacy of Ashes. It is a stinging endictment of the instutional blindness of that organisation. You should read on just wrong the CIA was on the strength of the Soviet economy. Besides I don't know what to make an empty verbal construct like "overwhelmingly strong politically." They certainly never faced any kind of popular referendum. That about a million Vietnamese left the North when Stalin propped Ho up on that thrown is telling.
@VictorLepanto Incidentally At the time of the conference, it was expected that the South would continue to be a French dependency. However, South Vietnamese Premier Ngô Đình Diệm, who preferred American sponsorship to French, rejected the agreement. When Vietnam was divided, 800,000 to 1 million North Vietnamese, mainly (but not exclusively) Roman Catholics, sailed south as part of Operation Passage to Freedom due to a fear of religious persecution in the North.
Respond to thUnder the Geneva Agreement, the Vietminh could (and did) expect to win on a political plane the struggle it was already winning militarily. It could expect to regain control over the South. The firm pledge of nation-wide elections was of key importance in the Vietminh's agreement to the temporary surrender of the 17th parallel. Without this promise of elections, the Vietminh would never have agreed to withdraw their force into less than half the country's territory...
@leftoverpoet: No communist regime has ever allowed itself to be subject to popular election. The simple fact that MILLIONS of Vietnamese have fled from their enslavers from Hanoi is ample testimony to the simple fact NO ONE has ever supported the Ho Chi Mihn tyranny. People don't risk their lives on rickety boats if they have freely chosen a regime. You don't need to send tens of thousands of people to "re-education camps" to learn to love your gov't if they already do. What lefty nonsense.
Who said to you that "MILLIONS of Vietnamese have fled from their enslavers" before 1956? That's another event after April 30th, 1975.
Lots of Vietminh members were nationalists. Not all of them were communists. Vietminh believed in a election in 1956 to unify Vietnam (of course, France, USA, USSR and China loved to divide Vietnam for their political conspiracy, just like what they had done to Germany and Korea before). Diem and his US advisors destroyed Geneva Agreement in 1956
@cuahangbachhoa15: I suppose you'd have me believe that we should have believed Stalin when he promised at Yalta & Tehran to hold free open elections in E. Europe also? How clueless can someone get. As if Ho Chi Minh had ANY intention of allowing a free open multiparty election his territory. Ho was Soviet citizen (he had a Soviet passport) & an agent of the greatest mass murderer in history, Josef Stalin. When actual Vietnamese nationalists visited him in China, if they didn't go along w/...
@cuahangbachhoa15: What a tool of Soviet propaganda you are. Ho was a citizen of the Soviet Union (he had a Soviet passport) & agent of the greatest mass murderer in history, Josef Stalin. He used to have REAL Vietnamese nationalist visit him in exile in China. If they didn't agreed to become Soviet agents like him, he reported them to the French secret service to be killed. Ho wasn't interested a free Vietnam, he wanted to make Stalin its new colonial master.
So you think who you are? Where do you come from? You think you're better at Vietnamese history than me? Too bad. I think you just want to absolve your country and its allies from their deeds. Actually, you're just a mediocre anti-commie guy. Keep enjoying stories about Ho Chi Minh from your Western media. I don't give a damn. Bye.
@cuahangbachhoa15: No doubt you have a Ph.D in Vietnamese history from Ho Chi Mihn University. It doesn't matter who you are or who I am. Historical FACTS are what matters. Ho was a Soviet citizen, he participated in Stalin's "Comintern" & was totally devout stooge of Stalin, applauding the show trials & all the rest.
Why don't you go & talk to the free Vietnamese who live in the West. Who get to vote for their leaders & are prospering far beyond the dreams of all but a handful of aparatchiks.
@VictorLepanto I was born and rised in fatherland: Vietnam. I have internet without block. I have full education, because the rule is "every citizen must completed secondary school". I learned English from an Australia teacher. I can go to whichever country I want. I bought shoes from Amazon and download game from Steam. I can vote for any candidate I want. My girlfriend is a Christian, and she works for Gorvernor. Is that not enought to be a free man?
@VictorLepanto I was born and rised in fatherland: Vietnam. I have internet without block. I have full education, because the rule is "every citizen must completed secondary school". I learned English from an Australia teacher. I can go to whichever country I want. I bought shoes from Amazon and download game from Steam. I can vote for any candidate I want. My girlfriend is a Christian, and she works for Gorvernor. Is that not enought to be a free man?
@JoshuaMai1: So I am dealing w/ a propagandist? I know for a fact that your supposedly Christian girlfriend can't worship as she likes in Vietnam. I know that no other party other then the communist is allowed to operate in Vietnam. If I am wrong, just name one party other then the Communist party in Vietnam. Name one non-communist elected officion Vietnam. Don't waste your propaganda lines on me.
@VictorLepanto I find it funny that peoples like you think about Vietnam like N.Korea. Oh come on, a socialist country can only have communist party at the gorvernor. It's the will of all people, a small groud of peoples that live in Vietnam against the party. But It's common that the will of majority will decided the way of country right? And please don't talk bad about Uncle Ho, ok? He is a patriot who sacrifice his life for his country.
@JoshuaMai1: It is a simple question, can or can not a party other then the official communist party function in Vietnam? If one can, name that party. Who are its leaders? LIke I said, propaganda.
@VictorLepanto Have you read my 2nd reply? Propaganda, Oh come on, I watched BBC, NHK and Starworld every day from my cable TV and I chosed the way I want for my country like young Vietnamese nowaday.
@VictorLepanto each great religions in Vietnam have their representatives in Parliament, and each tribe (54 at all) in Vietnam have their representatives too. FYI, there are a lot of people in parliament who is not a party member. And I don't want to repeat it, but a socialist country can only have communist party. We don't want a unstable polictic like Japan or Thailand. Don't bother to reply any way, in our eyes, we can only see what we want to see.
@JoshuaMai1: So, you finally admit it. The only people permitted in to hold office in Vietnam are those the ruling communists approve of. Only those from each community or religious group who are tools of the party are given a 'voice.' You are living in a party dictatorship, like what used to exist in Taiwan. The Kou min tang used to talk the same "stability" nonsense also.
@VictorLepanto Where is the line "Only those from each community or religious group who are tools of the party are given a 'voice.' " in my comment? Or you just imagine it? The representative is chosen by the group they belong to. Argue with you is poinless anyway, our "knowledge" is different in the first place. Maybe one day I will regret, but today I live happy( not "ignorance is bliss") and fully proud of my country and its history.
Good luck, chatting with you improve my English a little.
@VictorLepanto Where is the line "Only those from each community or religious group who are tools of the party are given a 'voice.' " in my comment? Or you just imagine it? The representative is chosen by the group they belong to. Argue with you is poinless anyway, our "knowledge" is different in the first place. Maybe one day I will regret, but today I live happy( not "ignorance is bliss") and fully proud of my country and its history.
Good luck, chatting with you improve my English a little.
@JoshuaMai1: I can show you videos of the old Soviet assembly also. Every community was "represented" there also. You could see them, dressed up in their "ethnic" costumes. They were all Party members of course. Only those who were approved by the Party could properly represent their community. Even Ukrainians were "represented" in the Soviet Union. You've heard about the Soviets & the Ukrainians I am sure, in your university. That's a test of how free you are ask your professors about that.
@VictorLepanto And don't forger to visit Hoi An acient town and Hue Imperial city, Ha Long bay( world heritage) . This is the way we want the world knows about us, a beautiful and hospitable country with rich culture. Not a country with war and fully misunderstanding pagonda from the west.
Even ignorant, callous, inhumane people's "work" can sometimes do some good. This photo is iconic proof of that. I served as a soldier in Viet Nam. I saw this photo along with millions of others across the planet. Its effect cannot be downplayed. This single moment in history helped shaped the attitude of a growing number of soldiers' and civilians' opposition to the war. I'm proud to count myself among them. The man who pulled the trigger was/is a war criminal.
The man speaking about the photo -- the man who took the photo -- Tim Page.
Tim Page was one of the organizers of the 'Requiem' exhibit at the War Remnants Museum in Saigon (Ho Chi Minh City); the exhibit has been in place for a number of years (it's August 2011 as I write this), and shows some of the very remarkable photos of Vietnam by photographers who died in the war there. Robert Capa, Sean Flynn, and several other Western photographers, as well as many Eastern photographers, are on show.
Im happy that bitch died. ( I mean the guy who shot the viet kong, not the viet kong). I hope hes rotting in hell now. Fucking disgusting. SUmmary executions are for pussies.
@garytow Well we kicked your limey scum out of Ireland and we slaughtered many of your troops in N/Ireland for 30 years and that's all that matters, the mighty british empire beaten by a small rebel force. ha ha ha ha
Americans killed multiple times more SV's than the VCs... a single b-52 killed more civilians than most Vietcongs ever could. In that war, we, America, were the big killers.
Americans killed multiple times more SV's than the VCs... a single b-52 killed more civilians than most Vietcongs ever could. In that war, we, America, were the big killers.
Only a coward executes a man in this fashion. I don't care what this murderers excuse was for this killing, he was wrong. he is probable dead himself now and I hope he had to face his victim in the afterlife.
@STHFGDBY Ever been to war mate? Ever had to deal with a friend getting his limbs blown off mate? Ever been forced by a corrupt greedy government to pick up a rifle and kill?
@STHFGDBY Maybe some people deal with things differently, sorry if I came across bad i didnt mean it. As a veteran of a war with no 'defined' enemy you must understand how such things happen
@devesdadrunk I did take you wrong and I'm sorry too.Anyway I know war is war and terrible things happen but there has been many such executions n the war against the British occupation n Northern Ireland but I have always condemned such acts on what I consider to b cowardly, I mean what does one achieve by putting a gun to a crying terrified man and shooting him in the brain. We all saw those cockroach Nazis do it to many people in WW2 and we never condone them for it. Cowards the lot of them.
@STHFGDBY He moved to DC area and opened a Pizza Shop after fleeing South Viet Nam. Died of cancer a while back. It was a summary execution, same as if he was tried for murder, but during war (tet offensive mind you, lot's of confusion) it can be carried out immediately. If you were in the with the Provo's in N.Ireland I can't imagine what you feel about your comrades indiscriminate bombings and murder of protestants. When you're facing a war you do bad things. BOTH SIDES
@STHFGDBY The fact remains it was a Summary Extrajudicial execution. And I support the Nationalist cause in Ireland, even an armed struggle (it worked in getting the Brits out of the south) with guerrilla tactics, but bombings did kill innocent people on both sides. If you caught an informant in your unit he would be executed wouldn't he?
@aaronrocs Yes he most probably would and yes it has happened, I can understand why in certain circumstances but there are situations where informants have been forced to do so under threat of having their family butchered. Nevertheless I wouldn't do it under any circumstances. During W.W.11 as in many other conflicts the Nazis did it for the lamest of reasons and that's murder no matter how you look at it. War crimes are just what they are, crimes against humanity.
@STHFGDBY The Kevin Brady funeral comes to mind. You remember that I'm sure. I would call what happened there wrong. I would NOT, however, label anybody of the IRA a coward.
@SCD4 Wrong is what it is! Did I ever say otherwise? Brave is the people who risk their lives every day to fight a war that is by all means very deadly. Those off duty police were in the WRONG place at a VERY WRONG time, and were murdered by an angry mob who were at a funeral for a guy in the IRA who got killed by a loyalist DURING another funeral for some other IRA that were killed by SAS during an operation. So it was fucked up. I still think it takes brass balls to be in the Provisional IRA.
No that’s not what always happened. Off duty Police officers would be shot in the back of the head or while they drunk in a pub. They would target their cars with bombs.
Putting a bomb in a shopping area and killing woman, children and babies is for scum
@SCD4 I think the reasoning behind some of that stuff was that they were fighting a force way superior in resources and manpower and they were attempting to "demoralize" the Brits and Loyalists with a bloody war of attrition. It was the only chance of winning. They did usually give warnings before setting off bombs in public places. The US kills kids with bombs too, it's called collateral damage and it's accidental but a distinct possibility when people live in a war zone.
Heard all that before when I served in South Armagh in the 80s. Easy to say when its other peoples loved ones. They often did not give warning. Check out the Omagh bombings and others. They sometimes use a first bomb to move a crowd of more civilians to a second bomb. They targeted civilians in a sickening campaign to weaken the British government. The north is still British and British soldiers are still there. The IRA are spent.
@SCD4 All our people have done fucked up things, think about it. The Brits aren't innocent in all of this. You don't build an empire like Britain's without some brutality. The only point is War sucks, terrorism really sucks, but the passion people have for their causes is impressive. I don't believe it takes a brave person to execute an unarmed enemy combatant or an innocent civilian, it takes a hard heart or a sociopathic mind.
@MrCarlostheace Which is usually the justification for destroying peoples culture. We have almost no information on the Pre-Colombian civilizations of Central America because the "Civilized" leaders destroyed them. I must say I'm glad I'm not living in a primitive tribe in the woods somewhere, but killing people and claiming the land they occupy as their own isn't right IMO. So we appear civilized while actually we're oppressing others so WE can live more opulent lives, and that's civil?
@SCD4 Did you not see the news today, Young man shot dead by British troops in N/Ireland 40 years ago declared innocent by the HET investigation team. They murdered an innocent 22 year old and then lied and covered up. Now what do you call that... BRAVE. Murder was committed on all sides. The case remains that nobody would be dead if the Brits were not in my country. Ireland belongs to the Irish not the brits, The British have no business being in Ireland PERIOD
jaddison is pink prostitute and a coward he likes his pimp russia and fidel and there creedy rats traiter .....yes traiter poeple that make deal with communist .well you are going to get fuck.you worst than left and the right .
Nothing immoral about it. That guy who was shot by a police chief is a fucking VC. He deserves it. So if i were him, i would have done the same thing.
For this Photographer to see nothing immoral in the photo he took is outrageous, and just a symptom of what all that us anti-war protesters werwe fighting in those years. Many Americans thought nothing of invading a small country that in the scheme of things was no danger to us, and killing up to a million people. I'm just afraid we still haven't learned any lesson in 2011 as I write this.
If there was no communism, just think how many people would still be alive today..all this Communism does is destroy lives and cultures...Obumma is a Doctrinare Marxist..Communism is like a cult of death..
@bapyou you could not be more wrong you ignorant pool of diarreah. All left-wingers are idiots and a lot worse besides. However, one good thing did result from communism; the saving of Eastern Europe from the multicultural holocaust that is now destroying the indigenous population of Western Europe but I would not expect a left-winger to understand this.
De nada adianta ficar discutindo sobre a pena de morte, e a prisão perpétua
A constituição não permite a pena de morte e nem a prisão perpétua.
A única saída é aumentar a pena dos crimes hediondos para cem anos de reclusão sem nenhum benefícios. Não pecamos, e nos livramos para sempre dessas bestas humanas que vão sofrer anos a fio nas cadeias fedorentas e populosas do Brasil.
If anyone would have listened in history class the photos description read that many people thought this was a horrible violent act torwards an innocent prisoner yet the general had found this man in a room full of a few dead women and kids and the father of the household where he violently tortured and killed them so the general only saw fit to execute him. I don't think this was a wrong act for him to have done you do it here in the states you get a lethal injection but thats war.
Stop distorting the truth will you??? Give me solid evidence then talk!!!!
Don't you see something wrong. If he is a real criminal why there is no court and they even execute him in the middle of the street. Where is my execution room??
Either they shoot him to lure his comrade out or to make an example for the people the result if you help V.C. That's the truth!!!!
And dear my Vietnamese fellow, using English and explain them!
@delagrandiere Americans really dirty. They do things wrong and then find the words to justify their actions. They have completely distorted the truth is that there is an event for the northern Gulf, I was ashamed priority for the U.S. and also embarrassed the people of Vietnam who was born to sell water to hand wrong as the commander of South Vietnam there! . VC insert for their people, so they won.
The big difference is Vietnam captured it up close and in vivid detail in a way that had never been seen before.. it brought the ugly truth to Americans that war is ugly, war is murder war is Killing, war is brutal ,so now here... Look at it on your t.v. see it!!! Now u finally see the ugly truth and u don't like it do you Mrs brady?!?!?!?!?
If people look a lil further back I'm history the Japanese would be head American prisoners with Samurai swords and take bayonet practice on Live American p.o.w.s and they would celebrate after and take pics and video and then rape a bunch of nurses.and then kill them also. So this one execution of a known v.c. is a Vietnamese officer executing an enemy soldier. It's just since media in America.is so overblown it was taken to the hilt, even American prisons execute death row inmates all the time
There were even deadthreats on Loan WHILE HE WAS RUNNING A RESTRAURANT BUSINESS IN THE U.S., until he passed away in 1997 from cancer (if I'm not mistaken).
First of all, I would like to say that I know that kid standing in the photo. To protect his privacy, I won't name him (who's probably in his 50s, if he's still alive). According to what we heard from his family, there was a huge price tag on Police Cheif Nguyen throughout Ho Chi Minh City long after The Fall of Saigon among the NVAs, thinking that Loan was still in the country...
It just shows how all-powerful photographs and images can be, especially when they are held up to people to really look at. Almost like a mirror, a reflection of ones soul really. Amazing photograph but equally shocking and dehumanising too.
Ganinii ftw !!! Talk about pure hatred and racism !! Just look at what you wrote in a very small paragraph and realise it's cos of people like YOU that this world is in the state it's in.
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stupid coward and blockhead speech ever given... why you the fucker filthy beasts went to Vietnam.... who gave you the right to involve ur fucking selves in other country's affair.... pile of dirt....
IRahid1 2 days ago
@ASOD2010 you are right on brother. That's exactly right.
TheVchunter 5 days ago
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2390091327094425662 the original video
DaferxD07 1 week ago
"You were doing your job, and I was doing mine."
....damn. That's heavy.
WittyDroog 1 week ago
THATS what you do with military combatants!
1classicliberal 2 weeks ago
Wait was that a nva getting capped?
ASOD2010 4 weeks ago
@ASOD2010 Not just a viet cong commie, but a ruthless murder of women and children. The man who executed this heartless monster had his life ruined by a photograph that appears to something ruthless, when in fact, the guy doing the shooting was an american ally and an officer, and the one being shot was a coward and a murderer.
samuelrosenbalm 1 week ago
-1 Commie. Next.
gonavygonavy 1 month ago
It was a war and it was his brother from the South who killed him. Things would be so much different if it was a US soldier who did that. The US gets so much crap from stuff like this, but barely anyone talks about the atrocities that the Viet Cong did, without Ho Chi Mihn's permission.
thehsushoe 1 month ago
HEADSHOT! Fuckin' Vietcong bitch, would've unloaded the whole magazin into his head for killing innocent people.
Rambo4President 2 months ago
the guy he was executing had killed the local police and their families.
bananaphoneman11 2 months ago 4
@bananaphoneman11 he should have been given an award then, not sent to prison
bukk3t 4 weeks ago
@bananaphoneman11
fucking your mouth
MrVutienhung 2 weeks ago
Interesting how everyone believes the police chiefs words that "he killed an entire family"
Ofc he says that, it just justifies the execution even more.
You and I both don't know if he really killed a family or not. We only have the police chiefs word on it. And I personally would not trust that U.S backed scumbag for one minute. The only thing we know is that he killed a handcuffed and beaten man with a bullet to the head.
Ogasso 2 months ago
@Ogasso
The Laws of War prohibit military operations in civilian clothes. That VC officer had exactly no rights to protection under either the Laws of War or local Vietnamese law. If the prisoner had committed an atrocity in civilian clothes, he could be shot without violating any law.
Given that the massacres the VC commited in Hue, I find it entirely credible that the VC was trying to kill the families of policemen (thereby discouraging them from serving).
lipovan87 2 months ago
@lipovan87 As I wrote, we only have the police chiefs own words on it. That VC could have just gotten capture in combat and shot. Anyway R.I.P Unknown VC guerilla, you fought hard and your people achieved it's goal by getting rid of american forces and the south vietnamese forces.
Ogasso 2 months ago
@Ogasso yeah, like he was a hero. he was fighting for Soviet influence. They were threatened by the soviets more than by Americans. Soviets preached about freedom, but they never gave any.
letterbekmen 1 month ago
@Ogasso
RIP? Really? did you bother to look into this story at all? That guy was the leader of a VC Death squad responsible for murdering local police and their families (including children)
CaptainAmerica322 4 weeks ago
@lipovan87 Very true... The prisoner was caught wearing civilian clothes while preforming a "military" operation.
lonedove1981 2 months ago
@Ogasso the dude was seen fighting along with the veitcong, he had VC tats and markings on him, wdf are you talking about
blacksoilder10 1 month ago
in a way that man lives forever.
jameslaura100 2 months ago
War Crime?....
Factnotfictionpeople 2 months ago
@Factnotfictionpeople
The man (Nguyễn Văn Lém) he had shot was a worse criminal, executing civilians (women and kids) in cold blood and all. Consider how weak the South Vietnamese security was. If you were South Vietnamese would you want that man just one bribe away from being on the warpath again?
afeeder 2 months ago
@afeeder I take your point. I haven't researched this, but all I'm saying is, had it been a westerner, then its possible war crime charges would have been brought. Although, look at Robert Mugabe - man's a maniac - no one's keen to take him down....
Factnotfictionpeople 2 months ago
@Factnotfictionpeople
He should be if he was a westerner. Westerner POW camps were much more secure than Vietnamese prisons, and zero Westerner soldiers were secretly Vietcong sympathizers, whereas countless South Vietnamese soldiers were.
"Although, look at Robert Mugabe - man's a maniac - no one's keen to take him down.... "
Its pretty hard when you get elected president afterwards no matter where you are from. Slobodan Milošević wasn't arrested until he ceded an election he was losing
afeeder 2 months ago
@afeeder Strip away all the BS and its all about power and the 'old boy's network'. It stands to reason; if you want something from a country, you don't upset its people or rulers. Look at Libya - now he's no longer needed, Ghadafi is removed. But a few years ago, everybody (Tony Blair included) was trying to curry favour with him.
Factnotfictionpeople 2 months ago
my father was a Chinese national, his father (my grandfather) at the time was in prison as a suspected communist/enemy, both his older brother's were studying at the University of Hanoi, etc. So yah, my father was 9yrs old at the time, but the VC used kids all the time, so boom blow his head off...so what, it's a war right?
openmindedproduction 3 months ago
think of this, my father in Saigon when he was about 9yrs old turned on a radio at a local cafe and it happened to be on a North Viet communist radio station; a military officer there jumped out of his seat and pointed a gun to my dad's head; ready to blow his brains out thinking he was some VC spy until the cafe owner ran over and calmed him down. Now if the officer did kill my dad right then, he probably would have gotten away with it, considering my dad's family background...
openmindedproduction 3 months ago
Guys, the person who was executed ran a VC death squad, and had been found near the bodies of a slaughtered family. His execution was just.
PsychoSpartan7 3 months ago
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TuesdayMorningInSept 3 months ago
Hey jushuamai.....u are a commie, period!!!
kooteo 3 months ago
@kooteo
kindly look up the difference between communism and dictatorship
communism in vietnam or china isn't the same as in N-korea...american governments are run by corporations moneymachine..if i'm not mistaken that is called facism
there is no perferct system of rule period
TenTonTommy777 3 months ago
I do not know you are thinking in your head and understand what is happening in my country (Vietnam)
me and my friends are happy and proud to live in an era of communism, communist Vietnam is doing what is best for our people!
if someone says my country there is no suppression of democracy, perhaps it should be just U.S. right in!
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demon07nd 3 months ago
That VC Killed the Officers family thats why he did it
MrAllthatnmore 3 months ago
War brings out the worst in men. Dont judge, you were not there.
Kill a kid and the mother is capable of executing you. Its that simple.
Peace & Blue Skies!
TheNovaAxon 3 months ago 10
@TheNovaAxon Huh? no judgment? what the fuck are you? a lawyer? judgement is something we all have even if you don't like it. Wars are one thing, crimes other, read the fucking geneva convention, it doesn't matter if it's a war that doesn't give you right to commit crimes the end dumbass.
crazy3d 3 months ago
@TheNovaAxon "kill a kid" you say that like you're talking about making a cup of tea. Disgusting.
punkyhiphopdood 3 months ago
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TheNovaAxon 3 months ago
@punkyhiphopdood
you quote a part of his sentence...are you retarded??? he was pointing out that everyone has the capacity to commit murder..in this case if a mother's child be killed, she would have reason to repay in kind.
what is disgusting is misquoting people and state it as fact...that's why people die for no reason other than the reason of greed by others who present it as "fact"
TenTonTommy777 3 months ago
@TenTonTommy777 ahh yes, the cause of all the worlds suffering "mis-quotes" haha
punkyhiphopdood 3 months ago
This photographer is such a self indulgent, arrogant prick.
MegaLotusEater 4 months ago 2
all of these vietnam problems can be blamed directly to the Kennedys..Ho Chi Minh approach the Kennedy administration for help but Jackie, Kennedy's wife was French...so Kennedy sided with France instead...France being imperialistic and not keen on losing their former colony started the Vietnam war with American help...The rest is history...so sad so many innocent people had to die
010bobby 4 months ago
@010bobby Yea but Kennedy said he didn't want to go to war, next president i don't who was went to Vietnam, Nixon rat lied and didn't retire but was the mayor criminal.
crazy3d 3 months ago
FYI I'm just a university student, not a propaganda. We have islam here, and my GF fully workship her god. I don't want to talk more with peoples like you ( a little rude here but my English is not too good) because the result alway is the same Why don't have a tour in Vietnam and watch it with your eyes , I suggest Da Nang city.
JoshuaMai1 4 months ago
@JoshuaMai1: When you get out of uni, why doncha try to form your own political party? Why doncha try to pursue some political goal independent of what your governing party approves. See what happens when you do that. If your government is so woderful, why did they have to lock up 10s of thousands in "re-education camps" (that is concentration camps) when they forced their government on the people? Ask your prof. about the re-education camps, I dare you.
VictorLepanto 4 months ago
@VictorLepanto My grandfather and his brothers were on the re-education camp. He had worked for the south gorvenment. After 2 years learning, he came home and worked like a normal citizen. And he lived well till today. It's hard for our family some time after the war. But now, we are equal and able to do what we want. I don't intended to join the party anyway. But I'm working hard for my country and can't stand anybody said ill about it. VN nowaday is a lot different than it in the past.
JoshuaMai1 4 months ago
And, FYI, HCM used both nationalism and communism as means to free Vietnam from colonists. Even in early 1930s, Soviet-controlled Comintern disciplined him for not following their rules about applying Stalinism. You didn't live in North Vietnam during wartime, so how can you know what HCM did? Or you just heard from "free world's" sources? I feel funny when reading your comments, as they're like the propaganda in Cold War era. Just a bunch of obsolete anti-communist arguments.
cuahangbachhoa15 4 months ago
The Geneva Conference' final declaration in 1954 is just a dirty game of world powers. About France, they though who they were? They suffered heavy defeat in the battle of Dien Bien Phu, so they had no right to be demanding about advantageous terms for them! So ridiculous that they demanded for a long time to retreat from Viet; they demanded to divide Viet at 17th parallel. Yes, France, not the US, was the most shameless loser. What a lucky loser that even demanded benefits from the winner!
antiexpansionism 4 months ago 13
Even if Vietnam had unified in 1956 under communist regime of Ho Chi Minh, certainly it would have been much better than the division of the country in 21 years and a bloody war that caused the death of 2-4 millions people. I hate France and its cruel allies. I hate USSR and China. Nearly no countries treated Vietnam well. Free world or communist bloc? They all used Vietnam as a chessman for their political conspiracies. No excuse for them.
cuahangbachhoa15 4 months ago
Yeah so more American boat people fled to Nova Scotia, as it's a typical happening in big regime changes - glad you conceded that. P.S. They also burned down the White House when you attacked Canada (and failed of course) in 1812.
OK, ever hear of the "Pentagon Papers"?! Even you can't be that ignorant - it was all US gov analysis of the situation up until Tet - it constantly concludes everybody supports the North and Vietcong hence "overwhelmingly strong politically" We were strong Mil.
leftoverpoet 4 months ago
so what bothers Eddie about it was the murders life was destroyed?!?!?!! what a world we live in, stuff like this is almost to much to handle for me
thipps87 4 months ago
@thipps87
You might want to look up in the info of the guy who he shot before speaking.
TheAntiV 4 months ago
Lange Lebe das Erbe der VC!
Lang lebe HO CHI MINH!!
Lang lebe Die SOZIALISTISCHE REPUBLIK VIETNAM!!!
HO HO HO CHI MINH!!!
VIET VIET VIET NAM!!!!
Vietman100 4 months ago
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LIBYA- NATO- rebels: ethnic cleansing of the town of Tawerga with 10,000 inhabitans !
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telegraph. co. uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8754375/Gaddafis-ghost-town-after-the-loyalists-retreat.html officer of the rebels: "We said if they didn't go, they would be conquered and imprisoned. Every single one of them has left, and we will never allow them to come back."
edgar0001 4 months ago
As you watch this video & see this picture, keep one thing in mind. You are watching a psychopathic murderer more heinous then Charles Manson being put down. This man was the leader of Einsatzgruppen like mass murder squad. This man was literally doing this same thing to CHILDREN in their beds. He was the LEADER of group which had bee ORDERED to do this. He was an evil little toad of man following orders from men no better then himself.
VictorLepanto 4 months ago
@VictorLepanto That's fucking bullshit, Shame on you.
leftoverpoet 4 months ago
@leftoverpoet: Really? Then why was this man shooting him? Who are these men actually? I tell you truth, if was in the position of that Vietnamese patriot, I'd have shot down the monster myself. As surely as if I'd have shot down an Eichman or Menegele. That is the kind of people who made the Communist Vietnamese. Don't you doubt it.
VictorLepanto 4 months ago
@VictorLepanto You silly ignoramus - you are the Eichman in this scenario if you support this wanton traitor. You must be an American to have such an awesome level of ignorance. Shame on the sad institutions that educated you.
leftoverpoet 4 months ago
@leftoverpoet: Ho Chi Mihn was the traitor, like most communists. They are ALL Quislings, going back to Lenin who worked w/ Russia's enemies in WWI. Ho was an agent of the Soviet Union & carried a Soviet passport. He used to entice real Vietnamese nationalist to visit him in China. He'd try to recruit them as Soviet agents. If they refused to become collaborationist for another imperial power, Ho would turn them over to the French Secret Service. To be communist is to be a traitor.
VictorLepanto 4 months ago
@VictorLepanto The over whelming majority of the Vietnamese population supported the NLF as documented in American studies revealed in the Pentagon papers. That's why the South V. Gov collapsed so quicklly once the US pulled out.
leftoverpoet 4 months ago
@leftoverpoet: & you know this from what election or popular referendum? You consulted what Vietnamese to make this determination?
Has it ever penetrated your ideology addled mind that the LITERALLY millions of of Vietnamese who escaped on rickety boats & risked pirates & drowning are only a small fraction of those who would have wished to escape if they could? If you think it is so wonderful to live under the communist goons, go live there yourself. Narcissistic hypocrit.
VictorLepanto 4 months ago
@VictorLepanto It was first determined by the Eisenhower administration and it was the CIA and Bernard Fall's assessment that the NLF were overwhelmingly strong politically. CIA too left wing for you? What a joke you are. Incidentally a higher per capita percentage of American Loyalists fled to Nova Scotia after the American revolution than fled Vietnam after the NVA victory.
leftoverpoet 4 months ago
@leftoverpoet: You should read a book on the CIA called A Legacy of Ashes. It is a stinging endictment of the instutional blindness of that organisation. You should read on just wrong the CIA was on the strength of the Soviet economy. Besides I don't know what to make an empty verbal construct like "overwhelmingly strong politically." They certainly never faced any kind of popular referendum. That about a million Vietnamese left the North when Stalin propped Ho up on that thrown is telling.
VictorLepanto 4 months ago
@VictorLepanto Incidentally At the time of the conference, it was expected that the South would continue to be a French dependency. However, South Vietnamese Premier Ngô Đình Diệm, who preferred American sponsorship to French, rejected the agreement. When Vietnam was divided, 800,000 to 1 million North Vietnamese, mainly (but not exclusively) Roman Catholics, sailed south as part of Operation Passage to Freedom due to a fear of religious persecution in the North.
leftoverpoet 4 months ago
Respond to thUnder the Geneva Agreement, the Vietminh could (and did) expect to win on a political plane the struggle it was already winning militarily. It could expect to regain control over the South. The firm pledge of nation-wide elections was of key importance in the Vietminh's agreement to the temporary surrender of the 17th parallel. Without this promise of elections, the Vietminh would never have agreed to withdraw their force into less than half the country's territory...
leftoverpoet 4 months ago
@leftoverpoet: No communist regime has ever allowed itself to be subject to popular election. The simple fact that MILLIONS of Vietnamese have fled from their enslavers from Hanoi is ample testimony to the simple fact NO ONE has ever supported the Ho Chi Mihn tyranny. People don't risk their lives on rickety boats if they have freely chosen a regime. You don't need to send tens of thousands of people to "re-education camps" to learn to love your gov't if they already do. What lefty nonsense.
VictorLepanto 4 months ago
@VictorLepanto
Who said to you that "MILLIONS of Vietnamese have fled from their enslavers" before 1956? That's another event after April 30th, 1975.
Lots of Vietminh members were nationalists. Not all of them were communists. Vietminh believed in a election in 1956 to unify Vietnam (of course, France, USA, USSR and China loved to divide Vietnam for their political conspiracy, just like what they had done to Germany and Korea before). Diem and his US advisors destroyed Geneva Agreement in 1956
cuahangbachhoa15 4 months ago
@cuahangbachhoa15: I suppose you'd have me believe that we should have believed Stalin when he promised at Yalta & Tehran to hold free open elections in E. Europe also? How clueless can someone get. As if Ho Chi Minh had ANY intention of allowing a free open multiparty election his territory. Ho was Soviet citizen (he had a Soviet passport) & an agent of the greatest mass murderer in history, Josef Stalin. When actual Vietnamese nationalists visited him in China, if they didn't go along w/...
VictorLepanto 4 months ago
@cuahangbachhoa15: What a tool of Soviet propaganda you are. Ho was a citizen of the Soviet Union (he had a Soviet passport) & agent of the greatest mass murderer in history, Josef Stalin. He used to have REAL Vietnamese nationalist visit him in exile in China. If they didn't agreed to become Soviet agents like him, he reported them to the French secret service to be killed. Ho wasn't interested a free Vietnam, he wanted to make Stalin its new colonial master.
VictorLepanto 4 months ago
@VictorLepanto
So you think who you are? Where do you come from? You think you're better at Vietnamese history than me? Too bad. I think you just want to absolve your country and its allies from their deeds. Actually, you're just a mediocre anti-commie guy. Keep enjoying stories about Ho Chi Minh from your Western media. I don't give a damn. Bye.
cuahangbachhoa15 4 months ago
@cuahangbachhoa15: No doubt you have a Ph.D in Vietnamese history from Ho Chi Mihn University. It doesn't matter who you are or who I am. Historical FACTS are what matters. Ho was a Soviet citizen, he participated in Stalin's "Comintern" & was totally devout stooge of Stalin, applauding the show trials & all the rest.
Why don't you go & talk to the free Vietnamese who live in the West. Who get to vote for their leaders & are prospering far beyond the dreams of all but a handful of aparatchiks.
VictorLepanto 4 months ago
@VictorLepanto I was born and rised in fatherland: Vietnam. I have internet without block. I have full education, because the rule is "every citizen must completed secondary school". I learned English from an Australia teacher. I can go to whichever country I want. I bought shoes from Amazon and download game from Steam. I can vote for any candidate I want. My girlfriend is a Christian, and she works for Gorvernor. Is that not enought to be a free man?
JoshuaMai1 4 months ago
@VictorLepanto I was born and rised in fatherland: Vietnam. I have internet without block. I have full education, because the rule is "every citizen must completed secondary school". I learned English from an Australia teacher. I can go to whichever country I want. I bought shoes from Amazon and download game from Steam. I can vote for any candidate I want. My girlfriend is a Christian, and she works for Gorvernor. Is that not enought to be a free man?
JoshuaMai1 4 months ago
@JoshuaMai1: So I am dealing w/ a propagandist? I know for a fact that your supposedly Christian girlfriend can't worship as she likes in Vietnam. I know that no other party other then the communist is allowed to operate in Vietnam. If I am wrong, just name one party other then the Communist party in Vietnam. Name one non-communist elected officion Vietnam. Don't waste your propaganda lines on me.
VictorLepanto 4 months ago
@VictorLepanto I find it funny that peoples like you think about Vietnam like N.Korea. Oh come on, a socialist country can only have communist party at the gorvernor. It's the will of all people, a small groud of peoples that live in Vietnam against the party. But It's common that the will of majority will decided the way of country right? And please don't talk bad about Uncle Ho, ok? He is a patriot who sacrifice his life for his country.
JoshuaMai1 4 months ago
@JoshuaMai1: It is a simple question, can or can not a party other then the official communist party function in Vietnam? If one can, name that party. Who are its leaders? LIke I said, propaganda.
VictorLepanto 4 months ago
@VictorLepanto Have you read my 2nd reply? Propaganda, Oh come on, I watched BBC, NHK and Starworld every day from my cable TV and I chosed the way I want for my country like young Vietnamese nowaday.
JoshuaMai1 4 months ago
@JoshuaMai1: I will believe you when you name all the independent, non-communist parties in the Viethamese parliament & all their elected officials.
VictorLepanto 4 months ago
@VictorLepanto each great religions in Vietnam have their representatives in Parliament, and each tribe (54 at all) in Vietnam have their representatives too. FYI, there are a lot of people in parliament who is not a party member. And I don't want to repeat it, but a socialist country can only have communist party. We don't want a unstable polictic like Japan or Thailand. Don't bother to reply any way, in our eyes, we can only see what we want to see.
JoshuaMai1 4 months ago
@JoshuaMai1: So, you finally admit it. The only people permitted in to hold office in Vietnam are those the ruling communists approve of. Only those from each community or religious group who are tools of the party are given a 'voice.' You are living in a party dictatorship, like what used to exist in Taiwan. The Kou min tang used to talk the same "stability" nonsense also.
VictorLepanto 4 months ago
@VictorLepanto Where is the line "Only those from each community or religious group who are tools of the party are given a 'voice.' " in my comment? Or you just imagine it? The representative is chosen by the group they belong to. Argue with you is poinless anyway, our "knowledge" is different in the first place. Maybe one day I will regret, but today I live happy( not "ignorance is bliss") and fully proud of my country and its history.
Good luck, chatting with you improve my English a little.
JoshuaMai1 4 months ago
@VictorLepanto Where is the line "Only those from each community or religious group who are tools of the party are given a 'voice.' " in my comment? Or you just imagine it? The representative is chosen by the group they belong to. Argue with you is poinless anyway, our "knowledge" is different in the first place. Maybe one day I will regret, but today I live happy( not "ignorance is bliss") and fully proud of my country and its history.
Good luck, chatting with you improve my English a little.
JoshuaMai1 4 months ago
@JoshuaMai1: I can show you videos of the old Soviet assembly also. Every community was "represented" there also. You could see them, dressed up in their "ethnic" costumes. They were all Party members of course. Only those who were approved by the Party could properly represent their community. Even Ukrainians were "represented" in the Soviet Union. You've heard about the Soviets & the Ukrainians I am sure, in your university. That's a test of how free you are ask your professors about that.
VictorLepanto 4 months ago
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@VictorLepanto
I do not know you are thinking in your head and understand what is happening in my country (Vietnam)
me and my friends are happy and proud to live in an era of communism, communist Vietnam is doing what is best for our people!
if someone says my country there is no suppression of democracy, perhaps it should be just U.S. right in!
1835071 3 months ago
@VictorLepanto And don't forger to visit Hoi An acient town and Hue Imperial city, Ha Long bay( world heritage) . This is the way we want the world knows about us, a beautiful and hospitable country with rich culture. Not a country with war and fully misunderstanding pagonda from the west.
JoshuaMai1 4 months ago
Even ignorant, callous, inhumane people's "work" can sometimes do some good. This photo is iconic proof of that. I served as a soldier in Viet Nam. I saw this photo along with millions of others across the planet. Its effect cannot be downplayed. This single moment in history helped shaped the attitude of a growing number of soldiers' and civilians' opposition to the war. I'm proud to count myself among them. The man who pulled the trigger was/is a war criminal.
SnuffGunnion 5 months ago
NOT ONE WORD ABOUT THE EXECUTED GUY ? BUT SYMPATHY FOR THE EXECUTIONER ? INTERESTING ?
GIANFRANCO FRONZI AUGUST /14/ 2011
9493760 5 months ago
@9493760 Read one of the top comments.
people like you need to pay more attention.
refan15 5 months ago
i was born in saigon and FUCK THE VC
MultiVietMinh 5 months ago
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Long live vietnam, they kicked these dog out. nobody beat vietnam and nobody will.
unit731gamer 5 months ago
The man speaking about the photo -- the man who took the photo -- Tim Page.
Tim Page was one of the organizers of the 'Requiem' exhibit at the War Remnants Museum in Saigon (Ho Chi Minh City); the exhibit has been in place for a number of years (it's August 2011 as I write this), and shows some of the very remarkable photos of Vietnam by photographers who died in the war there. Robert Capa, Sean Flynn, and several other Western photographers, as well as many Eastern photographers, are on show.
robertthebrucecurtis 5 months ago
Im happy that bitch died. ( I mean the guy who shot the viet kong, not the viet kong). I hope hes rotting in hell now. Fucking disgusting. SUmmary executions are for pussies.
SwordPengy8 5 months ago
Whoops I wanted Edie Adams my bad
egames170 5 months ago
Ho
Cho
Minh
does better!!
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He finished 500
thousand life in war against
the wealthy peasants in North
VN in 2 years!!!
DitMeManhDungTriet 6 months ago
great shot
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great moment!
DitMeManhDungTriet 6 months ago
Nguyen Van Lem was not a prisoner... he did not wear a uniform, he is an unknown terrorist
arikofoz 6 months ago
@garytow Still lost his head though, like Mountbatten..
STHFGDBY 6 months ago
@garytow Ya, keep dreaming loser.
STHFGDBY 6 months ago
@garytow Well we kicked your limey scum out of Ireland and we slaughtered many of your troops in N/Ireland for 30 years and that's all that matters, the mighty british empire beaten by a small rebel force. ha ha ha ha
STHFGDBY 6 months ago
@STHFGDBY
Nope. The North is still british and our boys are still there. The IRA are on the dole and Gerry and Martin are our mates. lol
SCD4 5 months ago
@SCD4 Keep dreaming, we know different.
STHFGDBY 5 months ago
@garytow No I don't think, I did.
STHFGDBY 6 months ago
si consumimos esos productos los hacemos mas ricos y poderosos, no consumir estos ,productos los empobrese
tanirfm 6 months ago
hermanos latino DI NO a la coca cola y todos los productos estadounidenses
tanirfm 6 months ago
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Americans killed multiple times more SV's than the VCs... a single b-52 killed more civilians than most Vietcongs ever could. In that war, we, America, were the big killers.
Ermal8711 6 months ago
Americans killed multiple times more SV's than the VCs... a single b-52 killed more civilians than most Vietcongs ever could. In that war, we, America, were the big killers.
Ermal8711 6 months ago
@Ermal8711 well all vc's should have been killed for as far as I am concerned
pjrouw 6 months ago
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@pjrouw Yea, well, you and scum like you are worse than Nazis. An embarrassment to the US.
Ermal8711 6 months ago
Only a coward executes a man in this fashion. I don't care what this murderers excuse was for this killing, he was wrong. he is probable dead himself now and I hope he had to face his victim in the afterlife.
STHFGDBY 6 months ago
@STHFGDBY Ever been to war mate? Ever had to deal with a friend getting his limbs blown off mate? Ever been forced by a corrupt greedy government to pick up a rifle and kill?
devesdadrunk 6 months ago
@devesdadrunk Yes I have, I fought against the Brits in N/Ireland, what's your point.
STHFGDBY 6 months ago 6
@STHFGDBY Maybe some people deal with things differently, sorry if I came across bad i didnt mean it. As a veteran of a war with no 'defined' enemy you must understand how such things happen
devesdadrunk 6 months ago
@devesdadrunk I did take you wrong and I'm sorry too.Anyway I know war is war and terrible things happen but there has been many such executions n the war against the British occupation n Northern Ireland but I have always condemned such acts on what I consider to b cowardly, I mean what does one achieve by putting a gun to a crying terrified man and shooting him in the brain. We all saw those cockroach Nazis do it to many people in WW2 and we never condone them for it. Cowards the lot of them.
STHFGDBY 6 months ago
@STHFGDBY
So you're telling us you wouldn't do the same thing to some RUC or UVF thug who runs around attacking Irish Catholics?
DTD110865 6 months ago
@DTD110865 No I wouldn't. I'm a better man than that.
STHFGDBY 6 months ago
@STHFGDBY
So then you'd let them get away with it?!
DTD110865 6 months ago
@DTD110865 You got my answer.
STHFGDBY 6 months ago
@STHFGDBY
So did I in South Armagh against the IRA, whats your point.
SCD4 5 months ago
@SCD4 Good for you..
STHFGDBY 5 months ago
@STHFGDBY
and good for you.
SCD4 5 months ago
@STHFGDBY He moved to DC area and opened a Pizza Shop after fleeing South Viet Nam. Died of cancer a while back. It was a summary execution, same as if he was tried for murder, but during war (tet offensive mind you, lot's of confusion) it can be carried out immediately. If you were in the with the Provo's in N.Ireland I can't imagine what you feel about your comrades indiscriminate bombings and murder of protestants. When you're facing a war you do bad things. BOTH SIDES
aaronrocs 5 months ago
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STHFGDBY 5 months ago
@STHFGDBY The fact remains it was a Summary Extrajudicial execution. And I support the Nationalist cause in Ireland, even an armed struggle (it worked in getting the Brits out of the south) with guerrilla tactics, but bombings did kill innocent people on both sides. If you caught an informant in your unit he would be executed wouldn't he?
aaronrocs 5 months ago
@aaronrocs Yes he most probably would and yes it has happened, I can understand why in certain circumstances but there are situations where informants have been forced to do so under threat of having their family butchered. Nevertheless I wouldn't do it under any circumstances. During W.W.11 as in many other conflicts the Nazis did it for the lamest of reasons and that's murder no matter how you look at it. War crimes are just what they are, crimes against humanity.
STHFGDBY 5 months ago
@STHFGDBY The Kevin Brady funeral comes to mind. You remember that I'm sure. I would call what happened there wrong. I would NOT, however, label anybody of the IRA a coward.
aaronrocs 5 months ago
@aaronrocs Each to their own.
STHFGDBY 5 months ago
@aaronrocs
Really............so setting bombs to kill civilians is what???
Shooting a off duty Policemans or prison guard is what.....BRAVE!!!!
SCD4 5 months ago
@SCD4 Wrong is what it is! Did I ever say otherwise? Brave is the people who risk their lives every day to fight a war that is by all means very deadly. Those off duty police were in the WRONG place at a VERY WRONG time, and were murdered by an angry mob who were at a funeral for a guy in the IRA who got killed by a loyalist DURING another funeral for some other IRA that were killed by SAS during an operation. So it was fucked up. I still think it takes brass balls to be in the Provisional IRA.
aaronrocs 5 months ago
@aaronrocs
No that’s not what always happened. Off duty Police officers would be shot in the back of the head or while they drunk in a pub. They would target their cars with bombs.
Putting a bomb in a shopping area and killing woman, children and babies is for scum
SCD4 5 months ago
@SCD4 I think the reasoning behind some of that stuff was that they were fighting a force way superior in resources and manpower and they were attempting to "demoralize" the Brits and Loyalists with a bloody war of attrition. It was the only chance of winning. They did usually give warnings before setting off bombs in public places. The US kills kids with bombs too, it's called collateral damage and it's accidental but a distinct possibility when people live in a war zone.
aaronrocs 5 months ago
@aaronrocs
Heard all that before when I served in South Armagh in the 80s. Easy to say when its other peoples loved ones. They often did not give warning. Check out the Omagh bombings and others. They sometimes use a first bomb to move a crowd of more civilians to a second bomb. They targeted civilians in a sickening campaign to weaken the British government. The north is still British and British soldiers are still there. The IRA are spent.
SCD4 5 months ago
@SCD4 All our people have done fucked up things, think about it. The Brits aren't innocent in all of this. You don't build an empire like Britain's without some brutality. The only point is War sucks, terrorism really sucks, but the passion people have for their causes is impressive. I don't believe it takes a brave person to execute an unarmed enemy combatant or an innocent civilian, it takes a hard heart or a sociopathic mind.
aaronrocs 5 months ago
@aaronrocs we didnt just build an Empire we civilised the world.
MrCarlostheace 5 months ago
@MrCarlostheace Which is usually the justification for destroying peoples culture. We have almost no information on the Pre-Colombian civilizations of Central America because the "Civilized" leaders destroyed them. I must say I'm glad I'm not living in a primitive tribe in the woods somewhere, but killing people and claiming the land they occupy as their own isn't right IMO. So we appear civilized while actually we're oppressing others so WE can live more opulent lives, and that's civil?
aaronrocs 5 months ago
@SCD4 Did you not see the news today, Young man shot dead by British troops in N/Ireland 40 years ago declared innocent by the HET investigation team. They murdered an innocent 22 year old and then lied and covered up. Now what do you call that... BRAVE. Murder was committed on all sides. The case remains that nobody would be dead if the Brits were not in my country. Ireland belongs to the Irish not the brits, The British have no business being in Ireland PERIOD
STHFGDBY 5 months ago
@aaronrocs
Never worked in the North.
SCD4 5 months ago
jaddison is pink prostitute and a coward he likes his pimp russia and fidel and there creedy rats traiter .....yes traiter poeple that make deal with communist .well you are going to get fuck.you worst than left and the right .
MrThrillgil 6 months ago
Nothing immoral about it. That guy who was shot by a police chief is a fucking VC. He deserves it. So if i were him, i would have done the same thing.
publicmario17 6 months ago
your uncle came to Vietnam without a visa ?
osmiu 6 months ago
For this Photographer to see nothing immoral in the photo he took is outrageous, and just a symptom of what all that us anti-war protesters werwe fighting in those years. Many Americans thought nothing of invading a small country that in the scheme of things was no danger to us, and killing up to a million people. I'm just afraid we still haven't learned any lesson in 2011 as I write this.
jaddison1112 6 months ago
If there was no communism, just think how many people would still be alive today..all this Communism does is destroy lives and cultures...Obumma is a Doctrinare Marxist..Communism is like a cult of death..
doobersmanster 6 months ago
@doobersmanster
Oh my God, you're a complete idiot.
Why are all right wingers such complete idiots?
bapyou 6 months ago
@bapyou you could not be more wrong you ignorant pool of diarreah. All left-wingers are idiots and a lot worse besides. However, one good thing did result from communism; the saving of Eastern Europe from the multicultural holocaust that is now destroying the indigenous population of Western Europe but I would not expect a left-winger to understand this.
5thcenturyad 6 months ago
What isn't in this video is that this guy that got shot was a VC operator and killed that generals family that day.
largerPOTATO 7 months ago
@largerPOTATO yeah, I herd he was very brutal to his family too. I wouldve done the same thikng someone killed my family.
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legomyeggo713 7 months ago
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PENA DE MORTE
De nada adianta ficar discutindo sobre a pena de morte, e a prisão perpétua
A constituição não permite a pena de morte e nem a prisão perpétua.
A única saída é aumentar a pena dos crimes hediondos para cem anos de reclusão sem nenhum benefícios. Não pecamos, e nos livramos para sempre dessas bestas humanas que vão sofrer anos a fio nas cadeias fedorentas e populosas do Brasil.
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lulinhadeputado 7 months ago
he a grunge VC notice the plaid shirt's
catbug666 7 months ago
@catbug666 hahha. He pioneered the grunge look.
Ac220404 6 months ago
If anyone would have listened in history class the photos description read that many people thought this was a horrible violent act torwards an innocent prisoner yet the general had found this man in a room full of a few dead women and kids and the father of the household where he violently tortured and killed them so the general only saw fit to execute him. I don't think this was a wrong act for him to have done you do it here in the states you get a lethal injection but thats war.
guppyswims13 7 months ago
It is still a great picture no matter how it was used. the dude who got shot had it coming
andrelebaron 7 months ago
Stop distorting the truth will you??? Give me solid evidence then talk!!!!
Don't you see something wrong. If he is a real criminal why there is no court and they even execute him in the middle of the street. Where is my execution room??
Either they shoot him to lure his comrade out or to make an example for the people the result if you help V.C. That's the truth!!!!
And dear my Vietnamese fellow, using English and explain them!
predatorvmt 7 months ago
The VC at the time is a Lieutenant,
He ordered a massacred a whole SVN militia family Apartment near Cholon , included a
family of a army friend of Gen. Loan .
The VC killed the family and cut the head of a children under 5 years old !!!
Many years later , the author of the above picture know about the true and came to
Canada to say a sorry !
delagrandiere 7 months ago
@delagrandiere Americans really dirty. They do things wrong and then find the words to justify their actions. They have completely distorted the truth is that there is an event for the northern Gulf, I was ashamed priority for the U.S. and also embarrassed the people of Vietnam who was born to sell water to hand wrong as the commander of South Vietnam there! . VC insert for their people, so they won.
tienluat 7 months ago
ác quá, vậy mà nói vnch tốt
Megacuongdola 7 months ago
The big difference is Vietnam captured it up close and in vivid detail in a way that had never been seen before.. it brought the ugly truth to Americans that war is ugly, war is murder war is Killing, war is brutal ,so now here... Look at it on your t.v. see it!!! Now u finally see the ugly truth and u don't like it do you Mrs brady?!?!?!?!?
shootload1911 7 months ago
If people look a lil further back I'm history the Japanese would be head American prisoners with Samurai swords and take bayonet practice on Live American p.o.w.s and they would celebrate after and take pics and video and then rape a bunch of nurses.and then kill them also. So this one execution of a known v.c. is a Vietnamese officer executing an enemy soldier. It's just since media in America.is so overblown it was taken to the hilt, even American prisons execute death row inmates all the time
shootload1911 7 months ago
There were even deadthreats on Loan WHILE HE WAS RUNNING A RESTRAURANT BUSINESS IN THE U.S., until he passed away in 1997 from cancer (if I'm not mistaken).
phambo101 7 months ago
First of all, I would like to say that I know that kid standing in the photo. To protect his privacy, I won't name him (who's probably in his 50s, if he's still alive). According to what we heard from his family, there was a huge price tag on Police Cheif Nguyen throughout Ho Chi Minh City long after The Fall of Saigon among the NVAs, thinking that Loan was still in the country...
phambo101 7 months ago
may anh phan dong nhin no ban vao dau cha anh cua minh` di roi hay noi(khon ngoan thi da' dap nguoi ngoai nha)
QUANTHIEUHIEP 7 months ago
he was VC.. he had killed innocent people..it was war.. he was dealt with.
kmars21 7 months ago
@kmars21 Agreed, that VC actually killed one of the police chief's family so yes the police chief did the right thing.
publicmario17 6 months ago
It just shows how all-powerful photographs and images can be, especially when they are held up to people to really look at. Almost like a mirror, a reflection of ones soul really. Amazing photograph but equally shocking and dehumanising too.
Thereisonlythemoment 7 months ago
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faeydra 7 months ago
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Cowrdly jews, spics and blacks and jew daughters?
Get a grip you racist bigoted arse hole.
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thienthanmudo1980 7 months ago
I wish I handled that pistol myself and shoot the VC TERRORIST in the head.
saigonpunkid 7 months ago
what? is the man worried about destroying the man's life after he just saw him execute someone? That is just Stupid.
ze22ze 7 months ago